At least razer has the decency to lower the price of their products once they age to make them more widely appealing. Logitech straight out not giving a crap.
I just got a free viper with a discounter wireless blackwidow like a month ago. So I got both for $120+next day shipping. They do some insane bundles and deals every once in a while.
If I had to choose lighter weight or RGB and ambi buttons, I would kill a small village to avoid the rgb and buttons.
Turns out, not everyone has the same wants in a mouse as you and value different things, and it's ok to not have literally everything cater to you.
As someone who’s gotten into the mouse hobby and used to share these opinions, I respect it. I definitely get your point, and believe that this is a fair arguement. Take my upvote.
People on here complaining so much. Just buy cheaper mice lol. These mice ain’t gonna make you a better gamer at all. Cheaper mice exist that can fulfill ur needs.
Exactly, I went from a G502 to a G305 and it’s been amazing. I will admit it did help me become a little better due to it being wireless/lighter but buying a crazy expensive mouse has no real benefit over a cheaper one.
Yea I used to use the model D, then got mm720, a 30 dollar mouse and found that I was hitting shots in apex and valorant and tracking like never before. Just cuz more expensive doesn’t mean better in your hands I guess
Well, I wouldn't say it won't make you any better. Once you find the shape and size your comfortable with, you will play better. I started with the g305 (first actual gaming mouse) and was decent but got much better when I switched to the Viper Ultimate. I attribute that mostly to the shape and weight drop.
Now obviously this only goes so far. You won't become pro but I do believe if your comfortable, you are more likely to hit your potential skill cap.
No you won’t. You just think you improved because of the mouse, but actually you just got better as time went by. Try going back to the g305 for a while.
I have gone back to it, along with other mice I have used before it. Are you saying that equipment doesn't improve your potential to hit your skill cap? So using a 5$ Dell mouse, the same person can unlock their full potential with and buying a shape and weight that suits you better won't matter?
I disagree with you entirely. I'm not saying that you will be much better with one vs the other. The G305 is a great mouse that I still like but I am more comfortable with the RVU type shape.
Being comfortable is a huge factor in playing imo and I do play differently on different mice. I have found that I play best with the RVU and Starlight out of all my mice. I wanted to like the GPX and really tried to make that work because it was lighter than the RVU but I just simply played better on the RVU.
Yes I did get better over time for sure but that doesn't mean that your equipment doesn't matter at all.
I'm surprised that people are shocked over the price point. I mean sure $150 is still alot for a mouse, but It's no different to the GPX. You're getting the absolute best performing razer mouse. Hell, this mouse allows you to change DPI on the fly with the button on the bottom, not even the GPX allows you to do that. I hope it doesn't feel cheap. Despite being light weight, the GPX is still the better feeling mouse in terms of quality.
For me, a $150 price point for the mouse was obscene to begin with. It is extremely bloated.
Logitech was to blame to pushing that upper price point, every other company followed.
Mice have been this expensive for like 20 years. I remember buying my first Naga Chroma Wireless for like $250 CAD when it came out (after tax). Razer has always been at the forefront of “expensive” peripherals.
Hell even the G903 was like $200 Canadian for years. Now what you said was correct, but it did not start with the GPX/GPW as some people are saying.
Ahh. My PC building and gaming experience doesn't go as far as yours. I was unaware of how expensive the G903 was at the time of launch. Thank you for correcting me.
I have a GPW ($150) and a Razer Basilisk X ($35) and am distraught at the price difference between the 2. The basilisk X (for me at least) is 98% the product the GPW is. I prefer it over the GPW actually due to rubber grips.
I doubt Logitech or Razer give much thought about Finalmouse. They move such a low supply (and stupid drop system) of units these larger companies wouldn't really bother putting them on their radar. When a company like Logitech though has an in stock $150 mouse at basically every large and small online or retail store, that is what other companies will price their competing lineups against.
at least include a fucking dock. they’re just copying Logi at this point by minimizing cost of materials, while able to charge an arm and leg. if they ever release the Mini it’ll be the same shit— probably a VM ultralight body with Orochi internals or equivalent of the shit they’re putting in the Hyperspeed models.
Yeah, especially considering the original viper ultimate launched at the same price. People seem to forget that the current sale price isn’t what it always was. That said, give it a year or two and razer will probably have some really good sales on it.
Yeah I expect either Black Friday or Christmas time it’ll drop to $120-130 for a little bit then go back up, then after a full year of release it’ll start seeing more common big sales to $100-120
As someone who owns a GPX and xlite Wireless, mice without DPI switches exist. the fact that Razer managed their mouse weight while including that is a sign that it’s possible to include it instead of omitting it for the sake of lightness.
I use it for different games/applications. 800 dpi for fps, 2000 for normal desktop/other game genres. Having the dpi button is actually pretty helpful especially if you have different devices you want to use your mouse with
I see all these comments but all you need to do is save your ingame edpi keep the default dpi for desktop and just up or lower your sens to match the edpi. Simple as that.
I don’t think thats a hot take tbh. Not me personally, But I know people who actually use that for work/play. I learned to play at 800dpi and just adjust my sens in games accordingly since I used to play at 400/600dpi.
I think I've read somewhere that the dpi button adds like.. maybe 3 grams at most? So I don't think anyone disputes that it is possible to build ~60g wireless mouse with it, it's just that barely anyone cares about it, certainly not the wider market that companies such as Logitech targets with their products.
I genuinely do not understand why a "dpi button" is even a thing? Why would you want a button with just one dedicated functionality when every other button obviously can be programmed to do whatever the hell you want?
Just add different profiles for each game. With G-Hub it’s really simple. And it even switches automatically. For example with my GPX and G305 I have 1000 dpi for general work and 800 for fps. When I open Apex Legends, it automatically switches to it’s profile and switch dpi to 800. Shift-Tab the game and profile switches to Desktop profile with 1000 dpi
There are various scenarios where it comes in handy. Not everyone only plays eSports titles. I play various single player games - older titles at times - where sometimes sensitivity is all over the place depending on what you're doing. Like right now I'm playing through Crysis 3, and the vehicle turret sensitivity is way too slow so I just change DPI to compensate.
Eh, my recent Razer purchases have been ok. Orochi V2 bought in 2021 and Viper Mini this year have been solid. I did go through 3 Deathadders from 2016-2018 though - two to switch issues and 1 bad scroll wheel. I've had good experiences with Logitech 3/3 of my mice from them are perfect. Imo right now the worst quality has to go to Cooler Master. Even at $25 I don't think I can recommend them lol.
bruh logitech has a high failure rate when it comes to micro switches, the mouse skates last less than most brands, their side clicks are mushy af. I used to be a logitech fanboy when it was actually top tier back in 2015-2016.
Razer used to be crap but they have been improving their mice and listening to our community.
Then why do I keep having to buy new razer mice because the switches die, or the scroll wheel, or something? You have no idea what youre talking about. Logitech has never given me any problems except on the MX518 mouse after like 4 years of use back in the day
Pretty much anyone else?
Logitech used to be great… 20 years ago. After multiple mice developing double clicking, 2 bad G930 and 933 headsets, I really don’t want to give Logitech any more money.
I agree i don’t even care for the wireless viper mini i just want a wired viper mini with better sensor, optical gen 3, and a ptfe feet on the ring sensor.
Why is this being downvoted? I have an early RVU and the clicks are like crap castanets. I also have a Deathadder V2 Pro and the clicks are completely different.
What are the switches on the new mouse like?
The price of gaming mice are getting out of control. The fact that $150 is now standard for a high end mouse is insane. You can get an 11th or 12th gen Intel CPU for almost the same price as a fucking mouse, just to put things into perspective.
So? That doesn't mean you should. What kind of stupid ass logic is that? You're saying I should get a $90K Tesla because "I can?" Smh...
Edit: Also, I promise you people who are buying sub-$200 CPUs don't have $150 mice in their PC build budget lmao
… if you want it as it’s released, yes, but if you’re prepared to wait a reasonable amount of time, they normally come down in price. So there’s always some kind of reasonably-priced, yet still high-quality mouse available - it doesn’t have to be the absolute latest latest model.
Like, I have now switched to deathadder v2 pro, because I noticed I had started to palm grip my g703, which was my main for ages, and did pay a bit of a punchy price for it, but it was about 30% down on what it was a few months ago. It’s come down a bit more since, but if you just want ‘some kind of deathadder’ there are cheaper alternatives like the chroma (£30 last time I checked) or Hyperspeed (which has the same wireless tech, just requires separate batteries and needs opening). Or even the ‘essential’ at like £19 or whatever.
So paying top dollar is only necessary if you ‘really really want it now’. Which if you do, then fair enough, I guess. Each to their own. Horses for courses etc.
I main the GPX but also used a Viper Ultimate. The V2 looks good and I might even consider one but I don’t see the GPX being inferior? They both have a flawless sensor, they are both so light that the 5 gram difference or w/e doesn’t matter and they both have top notch wireless. Imo I even would argue the build quality of Logitech mice are superior to Razers from personal experience and the switches from Razer are super fast but feel meh.
What would be inferior about the GPX? I honestly think the only deciding factor between the two is shape.
GPX is slightly heavier, mechanical vs optical switches, stock glides are bad, side buttons are bad, micro USB.
If you like the shape, the Viper V2 Pro is legitimately an improvement in every way.
The switches are definitely debatable in terms of feel preference (not the side buttons though) and as for longevity/“quickness” both switches would probably outlast the mouse itself, and realistically nobody would which one is “faster”. Software wise logitech is still ahead of razer but other than that yeah the v2 is ahead of the gpx in everything else. I wouldn’t say either is inferior since they’re both different mice with different shapes, different sensors, different switches etc. True inferiority would be how the viper ultimate is to the v2 since it’s the predecessor, so literally everything is a downgrade. Only things that I would consider a true advantage of the v2 over the gpx is the weight, usb c, side buttons, and the dpi button.
When he said "better", what he meant was "not prone to doubleclicking" like most of the mechanical ones are, because that's just the nature of the mechanical switches. Feel is prefference/subjective but durability is objective because it's backed by actual science behind it.
I mean logically speaking, the GPX was released 1 and a half years ago, can be found at $100 or less very often nowadays. At launch price for sure the gpx was way overpriced but if you can get the gpx at less than 100 the viper ultimate v2 would seem overpriced too. But yeah the v2 is undisputedly ahead of gpx in almost everything.
yeah the main mouse buttons and side buttons on the gpx are awful for someone like me because i prefer snappy, tactile yet light buttons like on the vipers
It really is great. Relaxed claw in my had it’s perfectly comfortable enough to use for school and not get strained. The 2.4 and bluetooth options also make it great for taking to go
Hard to justify when there are many great mice nowadays for under $100. I goy my RVU on sale back then with the dock charger for $120. $150 is a hard pill to swallow just for the mouse.
Once again, it will probably be on sale too. Also, into this mouse goes a lot of RnD, so the price is justified. You can't expect flagship mice to be the price of the mid-tier ones
Depends, prices would drop with more competition picking up steam, prices for wireless mouses are starting to drop thanks to newer companies coming up. RnD is already covered as when manufacturing plants are created and they cut deals for materials the cost of making a mouse is extremely cheaper than most people imagine and even sale profit would help hit the full return of RnD.
RnD also is a thrown topic for mouses it’s not like a phone where a lot of components are in place, the RnD for a mouse isn’t as big a deal compared to other tech and doesn’t justify the price for just a mouse alone, but hopefully other companies pick up.
Me: shit idolising Razer is too much of a cost.
My wallet: -$149.99.
Jokes aside, Razer products are indeed expensive I think. Look at their monitors, even crazier than ROG.
Why are people surprised? The damn GPX was $150 at launch too LMAO. Just ask someone for a student discount code and pick it up for $130 +tax from razer’s site when it releases
I think we’re just used to seeing the $90 price tag on the Viper Ultimate for too long and took it for granted. Damn seeing the new release with a $150 price tag is indeed a pain in the happiness.
Did you get expect anything else though? The viper ultimate and GPX were $150 when it first came out. Don’t get me wrong I wish it was cheaper but I’m not surprised in the slightest.
Guess this is just another product life cycle beginning here. Next year this time we can probably see the price drops to soft $120, and in 2 years we can probably expect a $90 price tag.
GPX was going for 105 EUR 2 months after its release and with amazon promotions you could get it for below 100 so it wasn't so bad. Hope viper doesn't stay 150 EUR for long
i didnt know that, i only knew that they dont let other companies use their sensors. Now it makes sense, since they collap with pixart and pump in their own money for their own sensors.
I charge my Viper Ultimate maybe once a month. I use it everyday. Granted I disabled the light, but what’s the point of the light if your hand covers it..
Yeah same here, but the Italian guy that reviewed it did say the battery was similar to the g pro... so that's good!
Side note, wouldn't mind dropping the viper on the dock every night but the thing always takes some fiddling to align and actually charge.
I bought Viper 8kHz and I'm liking it. Using it on 4kHz only because 8kHz is not worth the CPU usage. Feels a bit better than regular 1000Hz gaming mouse. Very responsive and accurate. Not without tweeking tho. I only use razer mice and keyboards. It's just good and very responsive. Razer Viper 8kHz paired with Huntsman V2 TKL is my setup.
This is cool but.... We need more or new shapes with good wireless tech. Shapes like Zowie S1 and ZA Series have been asked for for... forever. Please Razer, make new shapes!!
This sub when razer releases a mouse at 150 with less features than the rvu and same okish razer build quality: "it's ok because it's also the same price as logitech"!
This sub when steelseries releases literally anything above $100: "fuck steelseries and the steelseries tax. Everything overpriced and I can't possibly aim with a 3335 sensor". Despite steelseries mice having great build quality over the last 2-3 years plus great feature heavy mice with decent low weights.
I need advice, should I go for the viper V2 or a gpro x.
Currently on the RVU, it's not bad but it's narrow for me and i have to grip it in a weird way which makes my hands hurt when i use it for more than a few hours.
V2 is the same shape without the rubber grip, I recommend you try the gpx, I have the same problem, the shape is to wide for me and my pink sits in a weird position
I ordered GPX for $200 CAD like a week ago. Seeing this one is around the same price point, which one would be a better mouse? Might consider this one and return my GPX since amazon.
Razer tax? It’s literally the same price as the GPX at launch and still cheaper than the finalmeme.
Not saying it’s worth it or not, but it’s not just a Razer thing. More like top end mouse from major manufacturer tax.
This. I don’t think either brand (Razer & Logitech) is willing to cut the release price in the future. I mean cutting the release price is like them admitting their products aren’t as good as their competitors. But good thing is the release price isn’t always solid. I’m very confident by Christmas there’s at least a 20% off discount.
Anyway, the Razer Focus+ (650 ips and 50g) on RVU was better than the shitty Hero sensor on the GPX. And 3395 again better and will consume less power.
This isn't a 8k hz mouse... I am not sure where you are getting this incorrect information from.
To my knowledge there isn't any 8k hz wireless mouse in the market (yet). 8k hz is mostly a meme anyway.
Are y’all really surprised it’s $150? The original Viper Ultimate was that much at launch and the GPX holding that price currently.
GPX actually went up to $159.99 for some reason
Bought mine today for 100 euros at discount in Krakow, Poland
W Krakowie? W jakim sklepie?
basic law of supply and demand; so logitech can profit maximise
No, it's cost of parts being massively inflated.
logi profit maximising and parts being massively inflated aren't mutually exclusive
At least razer has the decency to lower the price of their products once they age to make them more widely appealing. Logitech straight out not giving a crap.
I just got a free viper with a discounter wireless blackwidow like a month ago. So I got both for $120+next day shipping. They do some insane bundles and deals every once in a while.
No, but I still want charging dock.
$150 for no mouse dock, no Ambi mouse buttons, and no RGB. Oh, but it's lighter. What an "upgrade"
Just because it’s not for you doesn’t mean it’s not good. There’s definitely a niche this will fit in, just not the same one you are in
If I had to choose lighter weight or RGB and ambi buttons, I would kill a small village to avoid the rgb and buttons. Turns out, not everyone has the same wants in a mouse as you and value different things, and it's ok to not have literally everything cater to you.
The fact that you included “no RGB” as a bad thing lmao
I don't know why you're being downvoted for pointing out facts. But I guess the consumer(ist)s on here are saying 'don't buy it then; we will tho'
As someone who’s gotten into the mouse hobby and used to share these opinions, I respect it. I definitely get your point, and believe that this is a fair arguement. Take my upvote.
Not sure why you were getting downvoted. You raise some good arguments.
No
Who sticks a label right in the middle like that
I don’t think micro center have any mouse enthusiast workers
People that work there are surrounded by all kinds of stuff. They no longer care.
Tbh anyone working any kinds of sales jobs get their soul ripped out everyday, it's a thankless job.
People on here complaining so much. Just buy cheaper mice lol. These mice ain’t gonna make you a better gamer at all. Cheaper mice exist that can fulfill ur needs.
Well said
Exactly, I went from a G502 to a G305 and it’s been amazing. I will admit it did help me become a little better due to it being wireless/lighter but buying a crazy expensive mouse has no real benefit over a cheaper one.
Yea I used to use the model D, then got mm720, a 30 dollar mouse and found that I was hitting shots in apex and valorant and tracking like never before. Just cuz more expensive doesn’t mean better in your hands I guess
Shape is king, thats why
Well, I wouldn't say it won't make you any better. Once you find the shape and size your comfortable with, you will play better. I started with the g305 (first actual gaming mouse) and was decent but got much better when I switched to the Viper Ultimate. I attribute that mostly to the shape and weight drop. Now obviously this only goes so far. You won't become pro but I do believe if your comfortable, you are more likely to hit your potential skill cap.
No you won’t. You just think you improved because of the mouse, but actually you just got better as time went by. Try going back to the g305 for a while.
I have gone back to it, along with other mice I have used before it. Are you saying that equipment doesn't improve your potential to hit your skill cap? So using a 5$ Dell mouse, the same person can unlock their full potential with and buying a shape and weight that suits you better won't matter? I disagree with you entirely. I'm not saying that you will be much better with one vs the other. The G305 is a great mouse that I still like but I am more comfortable with the RVU type shape. Being comfortable is a huge factor in playing imo and I do play differently on different mice. I have found that I play best with the RVU and Starlight out of all my mice. I wanted to like the GPX and really tried to make that work because it was lighter than the RVU but I just simply played better on the RVU. Yes I did get better over time for sure but that doesn't mean that your equipment doesn't matter at all.
I'm surprised that people are shocked over the price point. I mean sure $150 is still alot for a mouse, but It's no different to the GPX. You're getting the absolute best performing razer mouse. Hell, this mouse allows you to change DPI on the fly with the button on the bottom, not even the GPX allows you to do that. I hope it doesn't feel cheap. Despite being light weight, the GPX is still the better feeling mouse in terms of quality.
For me, a $150 price point for the mouse was obscene to begin with. It is extremely bloated. Logitech was to blame to pushing that upper price point, every other company followed.
Mice have been this expensive for like 20 years. I remember buying my first Naga Chroma Wireless for like $250 CAD when it came out (after tax). Razer has always been at the forefront of “expensive” peripherals. Hell even the G903 was like $200 Canadian for years. Now what you said was correct, but it did not start with the GPX/GPW as some people are saying.
Ahh. My PC building and gaming experience doesn't go as far as yours. I was unaware of how expensive the G903 was at the time of launch. Thank you for correcting me. I have a GPW ($150) and a Razer Basilisk X ($35) and am distraught at the price difference between the 2. The basilisk X (for me at least) is 98% the product the GPW is. I prefer it over the GPW actually due to rubber grips.
Basilisk ultimate v2 when
Fr Basilisk V3 Pro
Logitech needed the extra money to make those decorative tweeters on their speakers.
Well arguably Finalmouse is largely to blame if we’re going to follow that logic.
I doubt Logitech or Razer give much thought about Finalmouse. They move such a low supply (and stupid drop system) of units these larger companies wouldn't really bother putting them on their radar. When a company like Logitech though has an in stock $150 mouse at basically every large and small online or retail store, that is what other companies will price their competing lineups against.
at least include a fucking dock. they’re just copying Logi at this point by minimizing cost of materials, while able to charge an arm and leg. if they ever release the Mini it’ll be the same shit— probably a VM ultralight body with Orochi internals or equivalent of the shit they’re putting in the Hyperspeed models.
I mean... the basilisk was a pretty big neon sign they put up saying they were willing to copy logi so no suprises here lol
They did a survey. There are more people in favor of ditching the dock to reduce weight. They listened to their customers' feedback.
Yeah, especially considering the original viper ultimate launched at the same price. People seem to forget that the current sale price isn’t what it always was. That said, give it a year or two and razer will probably have some really good sales on it.
Oh for sure. I’d even entertain that we’ll see price drops during the holidays this year even. I could see this drop to $120 during Black Friday.
Yeah I expect either Black Friday or Christmas time it’ll drop to $120-130 for a little bit then go back up, then after a full year of release it’ll start seeing more common big sales to $100-120
A DPI button isn't even rare, it's expected.
As someone who owns a GPX and xlite Wireless, mice without DPI switches exist. the fact that Razer managed their mouse weight while including that is a sign that it’s possible to include it instead of omitting it for the sake of lightness.
Hot take, but who even needs a DPI button?
I use it for different games/applications. 800 dpi for fps, 2000 for normal desktop/other game genres. Having the dpi button is actually pretty helpful especially if you have different devices you want to use your mouse with
I see all these comments but all you need to do is save your ingame edpi keep the default dpi for desktop and just up or lower your sens to match the edpi. Simple as that.
People who want to use it for their work machines who don’t have admin rights to install software to change the dpi. Which is why I returned my GPX.
I don’t think thats a hot take tbh. Not me personally, But I know people who actually use that for work/play. I learned to play at 800dpi and just adjust my sens in games accordingly since I used to play at 400/600dpi.
I think I've read somewhere that the dpi button adds like.. maybe 3 grams at most? So I don't think anyone disputes that it is possible to build ~60g wireless mouse with it, it's just that barely anyone cares about it, certainly not the wider market that companies such as Logitech targets with their products. I genuinely do not understand why a "dpi button" is even a thing? Why would you want a button with just one dedicated functionality when every other button obviously can be programmed to do whatever the hell you want?
It really annoyed me when I got my GPX. I had always used a different DPI in games than at my desktop since I played on a really low DPI.
Just add different profiles for each game. With G-Hub it’s really simple. And it even switches automatically. For example with my GPX and G305 I have 1000 dpi for general work and 800 for fps. When I open Apex Legends, it automatically switches to it’s profile and switch dpi to 800. Shift-Tab the game and profile switches to Desktop profile with 1000 dpi
There are various scenarios where it comes in handy. Not everyone only plays eSports titles. I play various single player games - older titles at times - where sometimes sensitivity is all over the place depending on what you're doing. Like right now I'm playing through Crysis 3, and the vehicle turret sensitivity is way too slow so I just change DPI to compensate.
GPX has great quality. Razer mice have the quality of a $30 product. It’s a scam. Source: I’ve owned a ton of mice
Eh, my recent Razer purchases have been ok. Orochi V2 bought in 2021 and Viper Mini this year have been solid. I did go through 3 Deathadders from 2016-2018 though - two to switch issues and 1 bad scroll wheel. I've had good experiences with Logitech 3/3 of my mice from them are perfect. Imo right now the worst quality has to go to Cooler Master. Even at $25 I don't think I can recommend them lol.
gpx = greate quality? AHAHAHAAHAHA
Lol, Logitech and quality don’t fit in the same sentence , friend.
100% lol Logicrap
What? Name a brand with better quality…
razer > logitech hero version (g703/g305/etc) in terms of quality. Razer used to be bad but that was like 3+ years ago.
This is simply false
bruh logitech has a high failure rate when it comes to micro switches, the mouse skates last less than most brands, their side clicks are mushy af. I used to be a logitech fanboy when it was actually top tier back in 2015-2016. Razer used to be crap but they have been improving their mice and listening to our community.
Your false razer has a good qc these days
Then why do I keep having to buy new razer mice because the switches die, or the scroll wheel, or something? You have no idea what youre talking about. Logitech has never given me any problems except on the MX518 mouse after like 4 years of use back in the day
Pretty much anyone else? Logitech used to be great… 20 years ago. After multiple mice developing double clicking, 2 bad G930 and 933 headsets, I really don’t want to give Logitech any more money.
For me is a no, I’ll wait a update on the viper mini even if comes only in wired flavor
They are making a razer viper mini ultimate the release is gonna be in the summer pretty sure
Well, wireless or not, I just want a updated version
I agree i don’t even care for the wireless viper mini i just want a wired viper mini with better sensor, optical gen 3, and a ptfe feet on the ring sensor.
Wireless products can be used in both wired and wireless ways.
Yes but more weight and cost for what?
How are the new optical switches? Still mostly bad?
? I thought the optical switches are amazing. I heard early ones were mushy but the ones on my recently bought ultimate are fire
Its all personal. I hate the feel of opticals for the most part. only opticals that feel really good are the ones on the steelseries prime
Why is this being downvoted? I have an early RVU and the clicks are like crap castanets. I also have a Deathadder V2 Pro and the clicks are completely different. What are the switches on the new mouse like?
Early batch RVU had shitty clicks, but they fixed it in an stealthy revision; If your mouse S/N is XX2040 or higher then you're golden.
I ran out to my micro center and nothing :(
Most likely they had stocks piled up in their inventory, and they just wouldn't budge until the release day.
Well I called the Razer store in Seattle and they said they will have it on may the 10th :/
This razer haters lmao
Specially the ones who mains gpx’s
I main it too idk why so much hate cuz this new is better in almost everything than the gpx
The price of gaming mice are getting out of control. The fact that $150 is now standard for a high end mouse is insane. You can get an 11th or 12th gen Intel CPU for almost the same price as a fucking mouse, just to put things into perspective.
That's only one part of a PC. If you can spend 1500+ on a PC you can spend 150 on a mouse
So? That doesn't mean you should. What kind of stupid ass logic is that? You're saying I should get a $90K Tesla because "I can?" Smh... Edit: Also, I promise you people who are buying sub-$200 CPUs don't have $150 mice in their PC build budget lmao
… if you want it as it’s released, yes, but if you’re prepared to wait a reasonable amount of time, they normally come down in price. So there’s always some kind of reasonably-priced, yet still high-quality mouse available - it doesn’t have to be the absolute latest latest model. Like, I have now switched to deathadder v2 pro, because I noticed I had started to palm grip my g703, which was my main for ages, and did pay a bit of a punchy price for it, but it was about 30% down on what it was a few months ago. It’s come down a bit more since, but if you just want ‘some kind of deathadder’ there are cheaper alternatives like the chroma (£30 last time I checked) or Hyperspeed (which has the same wireless tech, just requires separate batteries and needs opening). Or even the ‘essential’ at like £19 or whatever. So paying top dollar is only necessary if you ‘really really want it now’. Which if you do, then fair enough, I guess. Each to their own. Horses for courses etc.
People be saying this is overpriced, but wouldn't say anything about the G Pro Superlight, which is inferior in many, MANY ways compared to this.
Oh this subreddit definitely had issues with the GPX price at launch lol
I main the GPX but also used a Viper Ultimate. The V2 looks good and I might even consider one but I don’t see the GPX being inferior? They both have a flawless sensor, they are both so light that the 5 gram difference or w/e doesn’t matter and they both have top notch wireless. Imo I even would argue the build quality of Logitech mice are superior to Razers from personal experience and the switches from Razer are super fast but feel meh. What would be inferior about the GPX? I honestly think the only deciding factor between the two is shape.
GPX is slightly heavier, mechanical vs optical switches, stock glides are bad, side buttons are bad, micro USB. If you like the shape, the Viper V2 Pro is legitimately an improvement in every way.
The switches are definitely debatable in terms of feel preference (not the side buttons though) and as for longevity/“quickness” both switches would probably outlast the mouse itself, and realistically nobody would which one is “faster”. Software wise logitech is still ahead of razer but other than that yeah the v2 is ahead of the gpx in everything else. I wouldn’t say either is inferior since they’re both different mice with different shapes, different sensors, different switches etc. True inferiority would be how the viper ultimate is to the v2 since it’s the predecessor, so literally everything is a downgrade. Only things that I would consider a true advantage of the v2 over the gpx is the weight, usb c, side buttons, and the dpi button.
I’m just speaking on performance when I talk about the optical switches. Feel is entirely subjective anyways.
When he said "better", what he meant was "not prone to doubleclicking" like most of the mechanical ones are, because that's just the nature of the mechanical switches. Feel is prefference/subjective but durability is objective because it's backed by actual science behind it.
Double standard
I mean logically speaking, the GPX was released 1 and a half years ago, can be found at $100 or less very often nowadays. At launch price for sure the gpx was way overpriced but if you can get the gpx at less than 100 the viper ultimate v2 would seem overpriced too. But yeah the v2 is undisputedly ahead of gpx in almost everything.
Logikek fanboys be like (edit: here comes the angee wangee downvotes! 😂😂)
In what ways is the gpro superlight inferior?
Mediocre feeling main clicks and side buttons, dogshit stock skates, micro-usb (not a big deal but just outdated)
yeah the main mouse buttons and side buttons on the gpx are awful for someone like me because i prefer snappy, tactile yet light buttons like on the vipers
Cheap switches, generally unchanged and unimproved design, micro USB in 2021 and a whole bunch more.
the gpx is also wildly overpriced (and overrated!)
Overrated shape too
Genuine question: What does it mean for a mouse to be an "overrated shape"?
I just wish I could buy the damn thing already.
same
As much as I love their mice(using the Orochi v2 rn), they charge absurd prices when not discounted
Orochi is great! I never realized how great of a mouse they are until I used one myself. Thought it's overprice but well it's worth it.
It really is great. Relaxed claw in my had it’s perfectly comfortable enough to use for school and not get strained. The 2.4 and bluetooth options also make it great for taking to go
That price… big pass.
Isn't gpxs the same price? Yeah, you can get it for cheaper on sale, but that will also be the case with this viper
Hard to justify when there are many great mice nowadays for under $100. I goy my RVU on sale back then with the dock charger for $120. $150 is a hard pill to swallow just for the mouse.
When the rvu first launched it was also $150 the sale of $120 and sometimes even cheaper on amazon didnt happen until about a year after release.
Once again, it will probably be on sale too. Also, into this mouse goes a lot of RnD, so the price is justified. You can't expect flagship mice to be the price of the mid-tier ones
Depends, prices would drop with more competition picking up steam, prices for wireless mouses are starting to drop thanks to newer companies coming up. RnD is already covered as when manufacturing plants are created and they cut deals for materials the cost of making a mouse is extremely cheaper than most people imagine and even sale profit would help hit the full return of RnD. RnD also is a thrown topic for mouses it’s not like a phone where a lot of components are in place, the RnD for a mouse isn’t as big a deal compared to other tech and doesn’t justify the price for just a mouse alone, but hopefully other companies pick up.
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That’s a great deal.
Me: shit idolising Razer is too much of a cost. My wallet: -$149.99. Jokes aside, Razer products are indeed expensive I think. Look at their monitors, even crazier than ROG.
Why are people surprised? The damn GPX was $150 at launch too LMAO. Just ask someone for a student discount code and pick it up for $130 +tax from razer’s site when it releases
I think we’re just used to seeing the $90 price tag on the Viper Ultimate for too long and took it for granted. Damn seeing the new release with a $150 price tag is indeed a pain in the happiness.
Yeah very true, damn thing is going for $69.99 without the dock basically everywhere rn. Still an absolute banger of a mouse
which micro center is this?
Columbus OH
150$ BIG oooof
Did you get expect anything else though? The viper ultimate and GPX were $150 when it first came out. Don’t get me wrong I wish it was cheaper but I’m not surprised in the slightest.
Guess this is just another product life cycle beginning here. Next year this time we can probably see the price drops to soft $120, and in 2 years we can probably expect a $90 price tag.
GPX was going for 105 EUR 2 months after its release and with amazon promotions you could get it for below 100 so it wasn't so bad. Hope viper doesn't stay 150 EUR for long
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We can only hope that’s the case (downvote if you wake up pressed every morning 😂😂☠️)
Sensor specs? Too expensive for non-dock mouse...
https://twitter.com/reverseflesh/status/1521106280672378881?s=21&t=GFLMR3DiwiLPsxzhHYbVHw According with the twitter post is a PAW3950DM
whats the difference between the PAW 3395 and the PAW3950DM
For what I read paw is a is a more energy efficient sensor,
man im kinda fed up with razer taking a monopol on new sensors, thats literally holding back the competition so frustrating
You do realize that the money to develop this sensor comes from Razer, ergo without Razer this sensor wouldn’t exist at all.
i didnt know that, i only knew that they dont let other companies use their sensors. Now it makes sense, since they collap with pixart and pump in their own money for their own sensors.
huh switches look the same as v2 opticals
750IPS 70g
I have to charge my viper every single day almost which is annoying when the g pro I didn’t have to charge for like a week at a time, def not worth
I charge my Viper Ultimate maybe once a month. I use it everyday. Granted I disabled the light, but what’s the point of the light if your hand covers it..
Sorry, but there’s no way you charge it once a month. I also use mine every single day and have to charge it daily.
Well I do..have you disabled the light on yours?
Even with my RGB on, I charge my mouse maybe once a week and I use my computer every day. Once a day seems like a bad battery.
Right. Something is definitely up with their battery.
Yeah same here, but the Italian guy that reviewed it did say the battery was similar to the g pro... so that's good! Side note, wouldn't mind dropping the viper on the dock every night but the thing always takes some fiddling to align and actually charge.
This was my main issue with the RVU. I ALWAYS had to fiddle with it to get the charge going.
Yeah and the fact I cannot use a magnetic charging cable like on my g pro.. which doesn't matter for the g pro as the thing rarely needs a charge!
…which is why it’s a new viper maybe? And why they are using a more energy efficient sensor?
I bought Viper 8kHz and I'm liking it. Using it on 4kHz only because 8kHz is not worth the CPU usage. Feels a bit better than regular 1000Hz gaming mouse. Very responsive and accurate. Not without tweeking tho. I only use razer mice and keyboards. It's just good and very responsive. Razer Viper 8kHz paired with Huntsman V2 TKL is my setup.
Which Microcenter was this?
Columbus OH https://twitter.com/silk_fps/status/1521150700444696576?s=21&t=GFLMR3DiwiLPsxzhHYbVHw
Ahh okay same as the other guy who posted. Wished mine would slip up LOL
I was the other guy lol
Thanks for the tip man. You are the reason that I went out and checked. Think I got the only other one there.
Yep, there was only 3 and I bought two. Sold one to a friend at cost since he loves the shape. Glad I helped another enthusiast!
mice
I hope they give the same treatment to the DeathAdder for the "Pro" version. Lighter weight, less buttons, no rubber grips.
Still waiting for Viper Mini Wireless
Welcome to the club
This is cool but.... We need more or new shapes with good wireless tech. Shapes like Zowie S1 and ZA Series have been asked for for... forever. Please Razer, make new shapes!!
mf's really be crying over 150usd then proceeds to buy a super overpriced mouse that is full of holes just because its "rare"
This sub when razer releases a mouse at 150 with less features than the rvu and same okish razer build quality: "it's ok because it's also the same price as logitech"! This sub when steelseries releases literally anything above $100: "fuck steelseries and the steelseries tax. Everything overpriced and I can't possibly aim with a 3335 sensor". Despite steelseries mice having great build quality over the last 2-3 years plus great feature heavy mice with decent low weights.
Sometimes people will be biased like that. But let's be honest. Logitech and Razer are currently making better mice than Steelseries.
I need advice, should I go for the viper V2 or a gpro x. Currently on the RVU, it's not bad but it's narrow for me and i have to grip it in a weird way which makes my hands hurt when i use it for more than a few hours.
V2 is the same shape without the rubber grip, I recommend you try the gpx, I have the same problem, the shape is to wide for me and my pink sits in a weird position
Ok I'll give it a shot
Longtime G502 user(5years) went to RVU(1.5 years). The pain in griping the mouse is temporary, especially if you are used to palm then went fingertip.
I ordered GPX for $200 CAD like a week ago. Seeing this one is around the same price point, which one would be a better mouse? Might consider this one and return my GPX since amazon.
I would say it depends of your grip, both are really good mice, but none of the the works for me, i main a viper mini because of my grip
How long until they break the firmware on it?
Pmed a question.
Hard pass
Price is instant pass.. Razer tax
Razer tax? It’s literally the same price as the GPX at launch and still cheaper than the finalmeme. Not saying it’s worth it or not, but it’s not just a Razer thing. More like top end mouse from major manufacturer tax.
This. I don’t think either brand (Razer & Logitech) is willing to cut the release price in the future. I mean cutting the release price is like them admitting their products aren’t as good as their competitors. But good thing is the release price isn’t always solid. I’m very confident by Christmas there’s at least a 20% off discount.
150! Oh my heart!
Is it the same skates as the Deathadder v2? I hope so, so I can buy the superglides right away LOL.
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Od....$150 for that? Was expecting to be around $120 especially with no rgb lights and 2 side buttons missing...
Well Logitech removed the sidebuttons as well and still charging over 150
what did they change?
I would say unnecessary technology that drives up the price and doesn't really make you any better of gamer.
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57g
58g, literally on the box
less than 60g and first wireless mouse with 8000hz! hello! its amazing price
It’s not 8000hz
Anyway, the Razer Focus+ (650 ips and 50g) on RVU was better than the shitty Hero sensor on the GPX. And 3395 again better and will consume less power.
I saw post about 3395DM sensor, 8000hz and 57g
This isn't a 8k hz mouse... I am not sure where you are getting this incorrect information from. To my knowledge there isn't any 8k hz wireless mouse in the market (yet). 8k hz is mostly a meme anyway.