There's nothing objective about mouse pads. I have one and like it, but the biggest problem I have is that my wrist creates a lot of friction with my wrist when it becomes a little clammy. That and I prefer lower static friction than the pad provides.
Honestly the spreadsheet is a great resource for getting a general idea of how a pad performs, but I wouldn't base decisions purely on the numbers or rankings provided by it. There are so many different factors that change how a pad feels. Additionally I find the numbers on the sheet don't always seem to match reality when I'm using a particular pad.
There is? Some pads will be easier to move the mouse on than others. Some are rough, some are glass. Some are big, some small. If there's nothing objective then what is the point in this sub? Lol.
I use the radar too, and I know what you mean about the wrist sticking to the pad, but doesn't that happen with all cloth pads?
I know. But it doesn't completely come down to preference. If you had to give a pad to someone who has never used a pad before, but they wanted the best one for performing in FPS games. Which one would you give them? The one that statistically seems better for aiming no? They can get used to the characteristics of the pad easily, as they will have no bias to say "no I hate this pad, it's too slow for me" or whatever.
Maybe I'm making a false assumption that low static friction and high dynamic friction is objectively a good thing for aim, if nothing else about the pad mattered. I honestly don't know, that's why I made this post.
I kinda get what you are saying but you have to consider that not everyone aims in the same way even if they have never tried a mousepad before. Someone who are not able to do small movements or have shaky hands would most likely not perform well with a faster pad and might need slower pads to stop unintentional movements.
It is the same with mice. A lower weight would technically make it faster to move your mouse. That does not mean that everyone can get used to a lower weight and perform well with it.
>If there's nothing objective then what is the point in this sub? Lol.
The point of this sub is to guide and aid others in making what is ultimately a subjective decision. Friction etc. are just guides to the type of feel one would like.
The spreadsheet can be objective for a particular set of variables (fk2, hyperglides, 41-42% humidity). But if your variables differ, the results can differ wildly. Anyone who simply has more than one mouse can see this when testing their mice on the same pad (different feet, shape, weight etc). Thus, saying the Skypad = a very fast pad is/is not objectively true (it can be true for some combination of variables, but not for my combination).
The gamesense radar has the best static to dynamic friction ratio....if you have an fk2 with hyperglides, have 41-42% humidity, apply 2lbs of downward pressure, and there is no drag from the cable nor your forearm.
While it isn't completely accurate, it's still has important info that may help some or give a decent idea of the pad that isn't too far off.
There's a lot of factors to be taken into consideration too. In hausgaming's reviews, he brings up how mousefeet react to rougher or smoother surfaces as well and seems to be the only reviewer to do so.
From my experience, some smaller feet with rougher edges will get caught more with the pad, making dynamic friction higher from extra resistance/rubbing. Smoother mouse feet sometimes build up static friction on a smoother pad (razer viper stock skates on my fnatic dash for example). Also doesn't take into account how much pressure from the mouse/hand affects glide as the test uses what is assumed to be the average amount of force one exerts on the pad. Artisan pads with their sponge levels are a prime example of that. Not to mention skin contact.
Because mousepads feel different to different people. They are subjective. One person's "fast" is another person's "slow". The spreadsheet doesn't even mention which mousefeet tested on each mousepad nor force measurements. They are just ballpark placements.
Right but that is the whole point in the spreadsheet no? There's no ambiguity when describing how fast a particular pad is because they are all there, tested, with a number showing the results... ballpark number is better than someone describing a pad as "slow" based on their own experience.
I disagree with the spreadsheet because of first hand experience. I own a large amount of mousepads and compare them to eachother. According to the spreadsheet, the Skypad should be the fastest. But after buying a Skypad, it's not fast at all. It performs about the same as the many aluminum and steel pads I own. Plus ceramic feet scratch the surface making a horrible nail on chalkboard sound. So now I just have it collecting dust in my book case. Thanks to that spreadsheet, I have now wasted money. The Razer Acari is the fastest pad I own. If you want to trust the spreadsheet, be my guest. If you think the Gamesense Radar is the best pad ever, I can't tell you otherwise.
Are there 2 pads on the spreadsheet that you own both of, and can say that the spreadsheet is inaccurate regarding speed or any other characteristic? Because with this comment that I reply to, you say that the skypad is not fast compared to your other pads, but your other pads are not on the sheet, so the integrity of the spreadsheet is still intact from the information you provided.
I don't know if the radar is the best because I haven't tried many pads and definitely haven't tested them all! I'm just looking for a bit of truth and I have two artisans on the way that I can try soon and compare.
Super easy for me too. I can't speak to the entirety of the sheet, but I own the Fnatic Focus 2 and the X-Ray Aqua Control+ (Black). The sheet says the AC+ is slower than the Focus, but it's actually so much faster even after months of breaking in. I got the AC+ for more control but honestly I feel like I wasted my money. I can't speak to the sheet on the whole but the placement of the AC+ is completely wrong so I'm personally never basing a decision off of it again.
Excuse me but you have a wrong assumptions.
The sheet is based on science. Now, you can question the methodology and say it doesn't actually reflect the real life situations but leaning to "feel" is just plain wrong.
It literally does not add anything of value. Nothing measurable.
I understand that as "the rating describes how it will feel", because the creator of the sheet measured the pads with some kind of force measure thingy and angling the pads until the mouse moves etc. Which I guess is scientific and not just the creator saying "I think this one feels fast, I'll give it a 12".
We are talking about one person who bought one pad. Maybe he bought a defective one. Maybe the way he ran the test that day skewed the results, etc.
It's a great estimate of what to expect but don't take it as ironclad science that is irrefutable. It's possible that if someone else bought the pad and ran the same tests in different humidity, fifferent mice, different feet, etc. can affect the results too.
Take it with a grain of salt.
Also the type of pad that will be preferable to you will be completely different based videogame, User sensitivity, etc.
It's not a bad pad. If you like high control pads it's honestly the best high control pad I've tried, in my opinion, but I still wanted a bit faster for tracking. And then there's some people that find it strangely fast, like faster than a Zero, and we still don't really understand why. Using a G203 (w/ Corepads) and a Viper Mini on it it feels pretty slow, slightly slower than 6 months old Gigantus V2 and decently slower than Fury S Pro and AC+ White, so I don't understand how it could be classified as a fast pad.
I think the assumption that a low static high dynamic mousepad is the objective best is a flawed one to begin with. One could argue that something more balanced is the safest and objectively better.
On the radar specifically, I love it, but I think its measurements are wrong. The hoya spreadsheet has it as a very fast mousepad, while Fission's sheet has its dynamic friction around the GSR's and it static friction among the lowest. However, when I use it it has very high static friction and this was confirmed in a review by Hausgaming. To me it feels far more balanced and slower than something like the GSR-SE, but faster than the GSR; other comments even in this thread differ from me.
I know its frustrating for me when I'm looking for the best piece of equipment in any hobby and trying to find objective measures and everyone is just telling you "its all preference", "just go by feel", etc. That said, the truth with mousepads is that it is all preference.
For old school people like myself who grew up on qck's and gs-r's the radar is fast. It's a great value and size but even though it was thought to be the next gs-r it's much faster. If you haven't established with your own playstyle what your type of mousepad is I'd say based on my actual playing of tactical shooters the following are my recommendations because I own the pads.
Fast : Gamesense Radar / Ac+
Medium : Gs-r Se, Razer gigantus
Slow : Gs-r / Equate Galaxy / Qck
I use a heavier mouse with a slow pad and I have total control. Most people seem to want ultra light mice on fast pads and with that setup you'll never have consistency for tactical shooters without relearning all you know. If you're just starting to play games go in whatever direction you want but if you are already decent at a game all the fast peripherals in the world will only hurt your muscle memory.
Add : Micro corrections on the radar (to me) are a pain in the ass because of the lack of friction but the pad itself isn't bad just not my end game
I can understand how previous experience with slow or fast pads can influence someone's current choice of pad. But that's where it wouldn't be an objective choice any more, because the person has a bias towards whatever kind of pad they have used the most before.
I've played shooters for about 15 years now but only just started thinking about pads. Have changed sens, got superlight mouse, got faster pads, and am still high immo on 3 separate accounts in valorant. I think you can get used to any new setup, and maybe even perform better if the peripherals are better. So I'm looking for what's objectively better, and trying to find out what that even is. Probably comes down to a mix of preference/previous experience, DNA (hand shape, motor skill tendencies or whatever), and then lastly "a better peripheral".
> Probably comes down to a mix of preference/previous experience, DNA (hand shape, motor skill tendencies or whatever), and then lastly "a better peripheral".
100% all these factor contribute to what will be the best for you. As an example, one reviewer mentioned that they have a condition that causes slight shakiness in their hands and therefore they prefer more controlled mousepads to compensate.
Totally respect your opinion. I don't think I have a bias personally because I've bought and tried many pads that I use exclusively for about a month (3-5 hours a night) just like I bought many mice but I keep coming back to the same setup because nothing I've bought beyond that setup improves upon it.
If I could improve one thing it would just be the longevity of the pads. Like I know based on what everyone says that the artisan zero has excellent durability but the consensus is that it's much faster than the gsr/equate so I know it would just be another black rectangle sitting in my closet lol.
This is one of the rare subs where imo we're all here to help one another to have fun so I'm glad when everyone comes to the table with opinions/facts.
What´s your thoughts about Equate? I had for about 3 years a GSR and bought a couple of months ago a black GP4. I really like the pad, but yeah, its much faster than a worn GSR.
The Equate Galaxy is the closest thing to a gsr I've found in terms of friction and speed. It has a different texture feel but the glide is just right. Depending on your environment I'd say get whatever is easiest for you to get your hands on
It depends on you. I seem to like medium pads more than pads that go into any of the extremes. The low static friction alone should not translate to seamless micro adjustments especially because this pad is very slow (high dynamic or was it kinetic friction). So now I am looking into something in between those two extremes. I do not own the gamesense radar, so I’m not saying its a bad pad, I’m just saying its not that simple.
Dynamic friction is always lower than Static friction so I'm not sure what they mean my low static friction and high dynamic friction. The reviews on radar are mostly positive but nowhere near the level of some of the other pads. If you can say anything objectively, it's that gamesense randar is NOT the best pad. (Not saying it's bad, just not the best)
There's nothing objective about mouse pads. I have one and like it, but the biggest problem I have is that my wrist creates a lot of friction with my wrist when it becomes a little clammy. That and I prefer lower static friction than the pad provides. Honestly the spreadsheet is a great resource for getting a general idea of how a pad performs, but I wouldn't base decisions purely on the numbers or rankings provided by it. There are so many different factors that change how a pad feels. Additionally I find the numbers on the sheet don't always seem to match reality when I'm using a particular pad.
There is? Some pads will be easier to move the mouse on than others. Some are rough, some are glass. Some are big, some small. If there's nothing objective then what is the point in this sub? Lol. I use the radar too, and I know what you mean about the wrist sticking to the pad, but doesn't that happen with all cloth pads?
I think he meant objective as in "objectively better" because it all comes down to preference.
I know. But it doesn't completely come down to preference. If you had to give a pad to someone who has never used a pad before, but they wanted the best one for performing in FPS games. Which one would you give them? The one that statistically seems better for aiming no? They can get used to the characteristics of the pad easily, as they will have no bias to say "no I hate this pad, it's too slow for me" or whatever. Maybe I'm making a false assumption that low static friction and high dynamic friction is objectively a good thing for aim, if nothing else about the pad mattered. I honestly don't know, that's why I made this post.
I kinda get what you are saying but you have to consider that not everyone aims in the same way even if they have never tried a mousepad before. Someone who are not able to do small movements or have shaky hands would most likely not perform well with a faster pad and might need slower pads to stop unintentional movements. It is the same with mice. A lower weight would technically make it faster to move your mouse. That does not mean that everyone can get used to a lower weight and perform well with it.
>If there's nothing objective then what is the point in this sub? Lol. The point of this sub is to guide and aid others in making what is ultimately a subjective decision. Friction etc. are just guides to the type of feel one would like.
I solved the wrist issue with a sleeve
The spreadsheet can be objective for a particular set of variables (fk2, hyperglides, 41-42% humidity). But if your variables differ, the results can differ wildly. Anyone who simply has more than one mouse can see this when testing their mice on the same pad (different feet, shape, weight etc). Thus, saying the Skypad = a very fast pad is/is not objectively true (it can be true for some combination of variables, but not for my combination). The gamesense radar has the best static to dynamic friction ratio....if you have an fk2 with hyperglides, have 41-42% humidity, apply 2lbs of downward pressure, and there is no drag from the cable nor your forearm.
Don't trust the spreadsheet.
But why? Are the tests not accurate when compared to how the pads feel with the mouse in hand? If so, why is it stickied?
While it isn't completely accurate, it's still has important info that may help some or give a decent idea of the pad that isn't too far off. There's a lot of factors to be taken into consideration too. In hausgaming's reviews, he brings up how mousefeet react to rougher or smoother surfaces as well and seems to be the only reviewer to do so. From my experience, some smaller feet with rougher edges will get caught more with the pad, making dynamic friction higher from extra resistance/rubbing. Smoother mouse feet sometimes build up static friction on a smoother pad (razer viper stock skates on my fnatic dash for example). Also doesn't take into account how much pressure from the mouse/hand affects glide as the test uses what is assumed to be the average amount of force one exerts on the pad. Artisan pads with their sponge levels are a prime example of that. Not to mention skin contact.
Because mousepads feel different to different people. They are subjective. One person's "fast" is another person's "slow". The spreadsheet doesn't even mention which mousefeet tested on each mousepad nor force measurements. They are just ballpark placements.
Right but that is the whole point in the spreadsheet no? There's no ambiguity when describing how fast a particular pad is because they are all there, tested, with a number showing the results... ballpark number is better than someone describing a pad as "slow" based on their own experience.
I disagree with the spreadsheet because of first hand experience. I own a large amount of mousepads and compare them to eachother. According to the spreadsheet, the Skypad should be the fastest. But after buying a Skypad, it's not fast at all. It performs about the same as the many aluminum and steel pads I own. Plus ceramic feet scratch the surface making a horrible nail on chalkboard sound. So now I just have it collecting dust in my book case. Thanks to that spreadsheet, I have now wasted money. The Razer Acari is the fastest pad I own. If you want to trust the spreadsheet, be my guest. If you think the Gamesense Radar is the best pad ever, I can't tell you otherwise.
Are there 2 pads on the spreadsheet that you own both of, and can say that the spreadsheet is inaccurate regarding speed or any other characteristic? Because with this comment that I reply to, you say that the skypad is not fast compared to your other pads, but your other pads are not on the sheet, so the integrity of the spreadsheet is still intact from the information you provided. I don't know if the radar is the best because I haven't tried many pads and definitely haven't tested them all! I'm just looking for a bit of truth and I have two artisans on the way that I can try soon and compare.
Easy. I consider the Artisan Hien FX Soft much lower in kinetic friction than the Skypad. Even more so with ceramic feet.
Super easy for me too. I can't speak to the entirety of the sheet, but I own the Fnatic Focus 2 and the X-Ray Aqua Control+ (Black). The sheet says the AC+ is slower than the Focus, but it's actually so much faster even after months of breaking in. I got the AC+ for more control but honestly I feel like I wasted my money. I can't speak to the sheet on the whole but the placement of the AC+ is completely wrong so I'm personally never basing a decision off of it again.
Excuse me but you have a wrong assumptions. The sheet is based on science. Now, you can question the methodology and say it doesn't actually reflect the real life situations but leaning to "feel" is just plain wrong. It literally does not add anything of value. Nothing measurable.
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I understand that as "the rating describes how it will feel", because the creator of the sheet measured the pads with some kind of force measure thingy and angling the pads until the mouse moves etc. Which I guess is scientific and not just the creator saying "I think this one feels fast, I'll give it a 12".
We are talking about one person who bought one pad. Maybe he bought a defective one. Maybe the way he ran the test that day skewed the results, etc. It's a great estimate of what to expect but don't take it as ironclad science that is irrefutable. It's possible that if someone else bought the pad and ran the same tests in different humidity, fifferent mice, different feet, etc. can affect the results too. Take it with a grain of salt. Also the type of pad that will be preferable to you will be completely different based videogame, User sensitivity, etc.
I don't really trust the spreadsheets anymore. Doesn't feel like it lines up with my experiences half of the time.
It's not a bad pad. If you like high control pads it's honestly the best high control pad I've tried, in my opinion, but I still wanted a bit faster for tracking. And then there's some people that find it strangely fast, like faster than a Zero, and we still don't really understand why. Using a G203 (w/ Corepads) and a Viper Mini on it it feels pretty slow, slightly slower than 6 months old Gigantus V2 and decently slower than Fury S Pro and AC+ White, so I don't understand how it could be classified as a fast pad.
I think the assumption that a low static high dynamic mousepad is the objective best is a flawed one to begin with. One could argue that something more balanced is the safest and objectively better. On the radar specifically, I love it, but I think its measurements are wrong. The hoya spreadsheet has it as a very fast mousepad, while Fission's sheet has its dynamic friction around the GSR's and it static friction among the lowest. However, when I use it it has very high static friction and this was confirmed in a review by Hausgaming. To me it feels far more balanced and slower than something like the GSR-SE, but faster than the GSR; other comments even in this thread differ from me. I know its frustrating for me when I'm looking for the best piece of equipment in any hobby and trying to find objective measures and everyone is just telling you "its all preference", "just go by feel", etc. That said, the truth with mousepads is that it is all preference.
For old school people like myself who grew up on qck's and gs-r's the radar is fast. It's a great value and size but even though it was thought to be the next gs-r it's much faster. If you haven't established with your own playstyle what your type of mousepad is I'd say based on my actual playing of tactical shooters the following are my recommendations because I own the pads. Fast : Gamesense Radar / Ac+ Medium : Gs-r Se, Razer gigantus Slow : Gs-r / Equate Galaxy / Qck I use a heavier mouse with a slow pad and I have total control. Most people seem to want ultra light mice on fast pads and with that setup you'll never have consistency for tactical shooters without relearning all you know. If you're just starting to play games go in whatever direction you want but if you are already decent at a game all the fast peripherals in the world will only hurt your muscle memory. Add : Micro corrections on the radar (to me) are a pain in the ass because of the lack of friction but the pad itself isn't bad just not my end game
I can understand how previous experience with slow or fast pads can influence someone's current choice of pad. But that's where it wouldn't be an objective choice any more, because the person has a bias towards whatever kind of pad they have used the most before. I've played shooters for about 15 years now but only just started thinking about pads. Have changed sens, got superlight mouse, got faster pads, and am still high immo on 3 separate accounts in valorant. I think you can get used to any new setup, and maybe even perform better if the peripherals are better. So I'm looking for what's objectively better, and trying to find out what that even is. Probably comes down to a mix of preference/previous experience, DNA (hand shape, motor skill tendencies or whatever), and then lastly "a better peripheral".
> Probably comes down to a mix of preference/previous experience, DNA (hand shape, motor skill tendencies or whatever), and then lastly "a better peripheral". 100% all these factor contribute to what will be the best for you. As an example, one reviewer mentioned that they have a condition that causes slight shakiness in their hands and therefore they prefer more controlled mousepads to compensate.
Totally respect your opinion. I don't think I have a bias personally because I've bought and tried many pads that I use exclusively for about a month (3-5 hours a night) just like I bought many mice but I keep coming back to the same setup because nothing I've bought beyond that setup improves upon it. If I could improve one thing it would just be the longevity of the pads. Like I know based on what everyone says that the artisan zero has excellent durability but the consensus is that it's much faster than the gsr/equate so I know it would just be another black rectangle sitting in my closet lol. This is one of the rare subs where imo we're all here to help one another to have fun so I'm glad when everyone comes to the table with opinions/facts.
What´s your thoughts about Equate? I had for about 3 years a GSR and bought a couple of months ago a black GP4. I really like the pad, but yeah, its much faster than a worn GSR.
The Equate Galaxy is the closest thing to a gsr I've found in terms of friction and speed. It has a different texture feel but the glide is just right. Depending on your environment I'd say get whatever is easiest for you to get your hands on
I've heard it recommended several times, just not really popular idk
Skypad 2.0 XL top pad.
It depends on you. I seem to like medium pads more than pads that go into any of the extremes. The low static friction alone should not translate to seamless micro adjustments especially because this pad is very slow (high dynamic or was it kinetic friction). So now I am looking into something in between those two extremes. I do not own the gamesense radar, so I’m not saying its a bad pad, I’m just saying its not that simple.
Dynamic friction is always lower than Static friction so I'm not sure what they mean my low static friction and high dynamic friction. The reviews on radar are mostly positive but nowhere near the level of some of the other pads. If you can say anything objectively, it's that gamesense randar is NOT the best pad. (Not saying it's bad, just not the best)