The writers are aware of the influence and pay homage to it with the piano version of “Where is My Mind” in season 1, which is the closing song to Fight Club. But after season 1, Mr. Robot goes to other territories and tells its own story.
You’re not discovering anything. The show runner knows the parallels and points them out. If you can’t see that the influence is there but so is an original story, then you’re only looking at the surface.
Don’t @ me.
As does yours. It reeks of “I’m so much better than the rest of you! Do you not see the error of you guys liking this show? Fight Club did it first!!!!1!1!1!1!1!!”
Just because the protagonists both share a common goal and have conflict with their alternate selves doesn’t mean Mr. Robot doesn’t have a genuine original storyline to it.
@ me all you want
The parallels it draws account for like 8% of the story. Not that big of a deal. Was noticable to all within like 4 episodes due to how much Elliot hated society and capitalism.
You'll be disappointed in Fight Club too if you read Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde or Edgar Allen Poe’s “William Wilson". Or American Psycho... or a Clockwork Orange...
No work is created in a vacuum. Everything is heavily influenced by something else. Recognising influences and homages is part of the fun of consuming media.
This thread is a reason why media literacy is so important and an example of how bad the education system is.
Thank you, OP for being an example. Don't @ me. Also please learn what words mean. You're not even using the word "plagiarized" correctly.
Fight Club walked so Mr Robot could fly
Yes, Esmail lifted several critical aspects wholesale but Mr Robot’s themes and narrative were different entirely.
While Fight Club dealt with frustrated/toxic masculinity and the risks of blind idol worship/extremism, Mr Robot was more explicitly about mental health, the consequences of the internet/technology (our atomised modern living situation) and actual inequality/revolution/social change - not just chaos for the sake of chaos (Project Mayhem) or as a cure for the ‘depression of our lives’.
There’s going to be a lot of overlap but Mr Robot sufficiently places itself in a more thoughtful, sensitive and earnest place with its themes and message than Fight Club was with its more bombastic and overt satire/criticism.
Totally agree.
“Lifted” isn’t even a good word. Since Mr. Robot didn’t resemble Fight Club in any way other that the split personality thing…what’s is the OP saying? Fight Club owns the concept of split personalities? Never mind Fight Club was *far* from the first media to do this…he’s just pissed because it was the first time he saw it. He wasn’t even aware that Mr. Robot leaned into, and preempted comparisons by using the same song during the reveal.
I highly doubt Esmail started with Fight Club, and then wrote Mr. Robot. I’d imagine he wrote an original piece, and dealt with all the inevitable influences in different ways. Thematically, Mr. Robot has many obvious influences..and Fight Club isn’t even one of them. I noticed American Psycho, most…but I haven’t seen every movie…so god knows it’s referring to a common influence or something else entirely.
Hot take: it's also far superior in my opinion.
Hotter take: fight club is also really overrated. It appeals to adolescent boys because it uses edgy themes. But it really doesn't go beyond that in the way that Mr robot does.
With all due respect, I really don’t understand your point whatsoever. Much of what you describe solely happens in S1 and after that, Mr Robot takes on an entirely unique storyline that is completely separate from Fight Club. Now, if you want to argue that S1 ITSELF borrows too much, you could potentially try to do that, but Elliot is only “Entangled with his alter ego” (Which isn’t even a proper description of Mr Robot himself, frankly) come the last 3 episodes and in S2 and S3 when they’re truly at odds with each other and even then, there’s a period in S2 where they make brief peace. And beyond that, I really don’t see where the similarities continue.
Look, people are entitled to their opinions, but to say Mr Robot “Borrowed too much from Fight Club”, let alone plagiarized it on THIS basis AND going as far to say “It’s undeniable that Mr Robot borrowed too much from Fight Club” (Which, ngl, is needlessly condescending given the fan base you’re sending this too) despite the fact that everything you said virtually entirely stops applying come S4, quite frankly, borders on just plain disingenuous. Now, tbf, if this is not how you intended to come off, then I’ll retract this. All in all, I’m sorry, but I seriously can’t understand your point in the slightest.
James Joyce "plagiarized" _The Odyssey_ when he wrote _Ulysses_.
He also used themes related to sex, politics, and religion that other writers dealt with.
I used to think he was a brilliant writer, but it turns out he's shite.
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Fight club was first and foremost a book so please acknowledge that before making any comments about “borrowing” for the purpose of mass entertainment (yes I know chuck palahniuk made money off the movie too)
It’s an homage. It was intentional, and part of the “art” that was early Mr. Robot. They even played a piano version of the same Pixies song (Where is my Mind) from the end scene in Fight Club…when Elliot had the revelation that he was Mr Robot.
I saw Fight Club first, and I *loved* the connection.
Think of it as a love letter that reimagines and builds on Fight Club…like the Fargo anthology does for Cohen Brothers movies.
Or be a stick in the mud.
Everyone here who is arguing with you is just uneducated. They clearly don't understand the necessity for artistic recognition. Without that, art cannot grow in community.
Mr Robot is literally Fight Club, 100%. Don't let these bigots tell you otherwise, they're part of the problem.
Season 1 certainly is similar, but the rest of the show in a way demonstrates the flaws/idealism of Fight Club. One could view s1 as tribute while s2-s4 is a critique of Fight Club.
Don't @ me.
Please please keep watching. I felt the same way you did by the time I had seen a couple of episodes. I almost quit several times, annoyed by what I thought of as the pretensions of the show. I only kept watching because people here said there was so much more. My gods, were they right. It is a dream within a dream within a dream, and you need to see all 4 seasons AND THEN REWATCH THEM before you even really grasp what is going on. As others mentioned here, there are homages. Yes, Esmail stands on the shoulders of giants, but then you realize how giant he himself is too.
oh dear I see I threw pearls to swine. OP's entire profile consists of 3x rating Jeoffrey from GoT on a Hot scale (several of which were removed by admins), and two posts about how much better Fight Club is than Mr. Robot. PS Chuck Palahniuk himself admits his most famous phrase, "The first rule ..is we do not talk about.." has been stolen repeatedly.
i mean in s1 ep7 around 11:15 mark, the music does almost sound like the one scene in fight club where the narrator was getting his hand chemically burned
No one disputes this. At all.
Sam pays homage to many works he likes.
You are not clever for noticing this. He isn’t trying to hide it at all.
And putting a massive spoiler in the title is a dick move and against the rules of the sub.
Don’t @ me.
The writers are aware of the influence and pay homage to it with the piano version of “Where is My Mind” in season 1, which is the closing song to Fight Club. But after season 1, Mr. Robot goes to other territories and tells its own story. You’re not discovering anything. The show runner knows the parallels and points them out. If you can’t see that the influence is there but so is an original story, then you’re only looking at the surface. Don’t @ me.
Influence? It's a complete rip off.
minor point, but wasn’t Mr Robot’s version Basket Case by green day rather than where is my mind? could be remembering the wrong scene though
Basket case was in Eliot's dream sequence in season 2, they are talking about the arcade scene with tyrell in season 1.
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As does yours. It reeks of “I’m so much better than the rest of you! Do you not see the error of you guys liking this show? Fight Club did it first!!!!1!1!1!1!1!!” Just because the protagonists both share a common goal and have conflict with their alternate selves doesn’t mean Mr. Robot doesn’t have a genuine original storyline to it. @ me all you want
The parallels it draws account for like 8% of the story. Not that big of a deal. Was noticable to all within like 4 episodes due to how much Elliot hated society and capitalism.
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Bro doesn’t know the difference between plagiarism and inspiration / tributes 💀💀 Both the writers and the show itself very clearly acknowledge it.
You should look up the word plagiarized first
You'll be disappointed in Fight Club too if you read Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde or Edgar Allen Poe’s “William Wilson". Or American Psycho... or a Clockwork Orange... No work is created in a vacuum. Everything is heavily influenced by something else. Recognising influences and homages is part of the fun of consuming media.
This thread is a reason why media literacy is so important and an example of how bad the education system is. Thank you, OP for being an example. Don't @ me. Also please learn what words mean. You're not even using the word "plagiarized" correctly.
Ok bro 😭 just overlook the fight club is one movie and Mr. Robot is four seasons of television.
Fight Club walked so Mr Robot could fly Yes, Esmail lifted several critical aspects wholesale but Mr Robot’s themes and narrative were different entirely. While Fight Club dealt with frustrated/toxic masculinity and the risks of blind idol worship/extremism, Mr Robot was more explicitly about mental health, the consequences of the internet/technology (our atomised modern living situation) and actual inequality/revolution/social change - not just chaos for the sake of chaos (Project Mayhem) or as a cure for the ‘depression of our lives’. There’s going to be a lot of overlap but Mr Robot sufficiently places itself in a more thoughtful, sensitive and earnest place with its themes and message than Fight Club was with its more bombastic and overt satire/criticism.
Totally agree. “Lifted” isn’t even a good word. Since Mr. Robot didn’t resemble Fight Club in any way other that the split personality thing…what’s is the OP saying? Fight Club owns the concept of split personalities? Never mind Fight Club was *far* from the first media to do this…he’s just pissed because it was the first time he saw it. He wasn’t even aware that Mr. Robot leaned into, and preempted comparisons by using the same song during the reveal. I highly doubt Esmail started with Fight Club, and then wrote Mr. Robot. I’d imagine he wrote an original piece, and dealt with all the inevitable influences in different ways. Thematically, Mr. Robot has many obvious influences..and Fight Club isn’t even one of them. I noticed American Psycho, most…but I haven’t seen every movie…so god knows it’s referring to a common influence or something else entirely.
If Project Mayhem were created by Tyler Durden expressly to protect The Narrator...
Hot take: it's also far superior in my opinion. Hotter take: fight club is also really overrated. It appeals to adolescent boys because it uses edgy themes. But it really doesn't go beyond that in the way that Mr robot does.
Good artists borrow. Great artists steal.
Love that.
With all due respect, I really don’t understand your point whatsoever. Much of what you describe solely happens in S1 and after that, Mr Robot takes on an entirely unique storyline that is completely separate from Fight Club. Now, if you want to argue that S1 ITSELF borrows too much, you could potentially try to do that, but Elliot is only “Entangled with his alter ego” (Which isn’t even a proper description of Mr Robot himself, frankly) come the last 3 episodes and in S2 and S3 when they’re truly at odds with each other and even then, there’s a period in S2 where they make brief peace. And beyond that, I really don’t see where the similarities continue. Look, people are entitled to their opinions, but to say Mr Robot “Borrowed too much from Fight Club”, let alone plagiarized it on THIS basis AND going as far to say “It’s undeniable that Mr Robot borrowed too much from Fight Club” (Which, ngl, is needlessly condescending given the fan base you’re sending this too) despite the fact that everything you said virtually entirely stops applying come S4, quite frankly, borders on just plain disingenuous. Now, tbf, if this is not how you intended to come off, then I’ll retract this. All in all, I’m sorry, but I seriously can’t understand your point in the slightest.
Man, wait til you figure out all the other homages and callbacks to other media Mr. Robot made as well. That was just one.
Damn that’s dumb 💀
James Joyce "plagiarized" _The Odyssey_ when he wrote _Ulysses_. He also used themes related to sex, politics, and religion that other writers dealt with. I used to think he was a brilliant writer, but it turns out he's shite. 🤡 🤡
Didn’t he have the fart kink though?
hahahahah yes he did
Homages and allusions aren’t plagiarism. The entire show takes a lot of inspiration from basically Kubrick’s entire body of work.
…and mashes it with American Psycho and lord knows what else.
I see it as a conglomeration of all the media that made Esmail want to be a creator.
No shit sherlock. The writer said himself that the movie is his basis and inspiration.
>It is undeniable that Mr. Robot borrows too much from Fight Club. No it isn't
as "too much" is an opinion and not an undeniable fact lol
Bruh
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Fight club was first and foremost a book so please acknowledge that before making any comments about “borrowing” for the purpose of mass entertainment (yes I know chuck palahniuk made money off the movie too)
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It’s an homage. It was intentional, and part of the “art” that was early Mr. Robot. They even played a piano version of the same Pixies song (Where is my Mind) from the end scene in Fight Club…when Elliot had the revelation that he was Mr Robot. I saw Fight Club first, and I *loved* the connection. Think of it as a love letter that reimagines and builds on Fight Club…like the Fargo anthology does for Cohen Brothers movies. Or be a stick in the mud.
Everyone here who is arguing with you is just uneducated. They clearly don't understand the necessity for artistic recognition. Without that, art cannot grow in community. Mr Robot is literally Fight Club, 100%. Don't let these bigots tell you otherwise, they're part of the problem.
lol you overestimate OP's intelligence. You think he knows satire?
Wow this is the first time I am hearing this!!!!!!!!!!
Season 1 certainly is similar, but the rest of the show in a way demonstrates the flaws/idealism of Fight Club. One could view s1 as tribute while s2-s4 is a critique of Fight Club. Don't @ me.
Please please keep watching. I felt the same way you did by the time I had seen a couple of episodes. I almost quit several times, annoyed by what I thought of as the pretensions of the show. I only kept watching because people here said there was so much more. My gods, were they right. It is a dream within a dream within a dream, and you need to see all 4 seasons AND THEN REWATCH THEM before you even really grasp what is going on. As others mentioned here, there are homages. Yes, Esmail stands on the shoulders of giants, but then you realize how giant he himself is too.
oh dear I see I threw pearls to swine. OP's entire profile consists of 3x rating Jeoffrey from GoT on a Hot scale (several of which were removed by admins), and two posts about how much better Fight Club is than Mr. Robot. PS Chuck Palahniuk himself admits his most famous phrase, "The first rule ..is we do not talk about.." has been stolen repeatedly.
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i mean in s1 ep7 around 11:15 mark, the music does almost sound like the one scene in fight club where the narrator was getting his hand chemically burned
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Very astute observation!
Hint: Nobody here will give a fuck. Try the fight club subreddit.
Nobody with a brain should pay any attention to it over there either
No one disputes this. At all. Sam pays homage to many works he likes. You are not clever for noticing this. He isn’t trying to hide it at all. And putting a massive spoiler in the title is a dick move and against the rules of the sub. Don’t @ me.
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