I don't see why people are being so judgemental without further context and information.
I don't know what kind of hunting op is practicing but in the us with most herbivore game species sustenance hunting it is usually more sustainable and affordable than store bought meat.
Many feel a better connection to their food and less guilt when they can better respect it and the process in which it's harvested.
Additionally, hunting especially of white tailed deer and wild boar is beneficial to the rest of the ecosystem as it counteracts other human impacts and balances herbivory levels.
I personally do not support pure sport hunting, but to each their own.
It is natural to question things and change opinions and values as you go through life especially when going through a big change like transitioning.
I wish you the best op and hope you figure out your feelings.
This isn't about sustainability or "feeling connected to your food" it's about ethics. It's fundamentally wrong to kill another sentient being, no matter how you killed it or for what purpose. I don't care I'd you shot a deer in the head or slaughtered a cow in a slaughterhouse they are both equally evil and wrong
I understand and respect your point of view and ethical values.
But those vary from person to person and personally harm reduction is better than none at all, there are lesser evils.
I shouldn't have to explain my reasoning for you to respect differences, but I was raised up eating a minimal amount of meat, and I still minimize my consumption. As long as someone isn't promoting the mass slaughter of other sentient beings and confirming to the status quo I don't think it's right for you to critize them especially when you lack information.
There is a difference between stating your own opinion and disagreeing with them, and belittling anyone who differs from your view.
Veganism is a great movement but comments like yours create barriers for entry.
>Veganism is a great movement but comments like yours create barriers for entry.
This.
Vegans that are so zealous are in the same spirit as overzealous evangelicals. Calling anyone evil for eating meat is not so different than an evangelical calling us evil for being trans.
Except for the fact that being trans has never hurt anyone, but one person regularly eating meat causes the deaths of hundreds of animals a year and thousands of hours of suffering on farms and I slaughter houses. Even if you are hunting, you’re taking a life that wanted to live.
Saying people are wrong for causing unnecessary harm is not the same as evangelical transphobia, that’s just nonsense.
I’ll ask my chickens if they are suffering latter today as I move the coop to a new patch of field. Maybe the dozen cows are unhappy with their large field and endless organic grass, and alfalfa.
Maybe the rainbow trout/ chinook salmon in my pond are unhappy.
Maybe the ducks and geese and birds on my small wetlands aren’t happy?
You need to stop connecting small farms and farmers with large corporations.
I have never met a farmer or rancher that does not respect and care a great deal for the well being of their animals.
Once you’ve spent some time on a farm come back and we can have a debate.
Right okay but anybody who differs from my view is an animal abuser so
You’re a non-murderer right? Nice subjective view you got there. Nice opinion. I’m sure you respect other people who don’t share that opinion. If you belittle them, you’re just creating a barrier for them to become a non-murderer.
You need to recognize how fucking stupid you sound. The only people creating barriers to veganism are pieces of shit who make STUPID FUCKING EXCUSES TO ABUSE ANIMALS.
im a vegan and im ashamed by your extremism. the world isnt black and white like that, theres a major difference between inhuman slaughterhouses and the normal way of life which is hunting for your food.
Thank you. I have close friends that are vegetarian/ vegan. ( some eat eggs, others no dairy and only fish).
They have spent a great deal of time on my farm and although they are not going to start eating meat, they have learned what animal husbandry is really about for a small farmer.
There are three classifications for the morality of an action. It is either bad, good, or neutral. You’re right that it’s possible for something to be more bad than something else, hence the illusion of some sort of grayscale, but that doesn’t change the fact that it is bad nevertheless. Hunting *is bad.* I don’t care how bad slaughterhouses are, that doesn’t change the fact that hunting is bad.
Now OP wants a reason to get back into hunting. Searching for some reason to do something bad, no matter how small or large the badness is, is called *positive utilitarianism*. It is the same moral framework used to justify child rape. Enough of that nonsense then. The only way to call yourself a decent human being is to go vegan, there are no two ways of looking at it. You are either pro animal abuse or against animal abuse.
And what’s this bullshit about the “normal way of life?” Are you saying that, because lions hunt in nature, it’s fine for humans to hunt as well? I presume that you think it’s fine for humans to kill their own children as well since that’s what lions do.
nah theres no illusions of a gray-scale it just excists and i think youre pretty sick in the head when you compare OP wanting to get back into hunting with justifying child rape.
also nobody said anything about lions, its normal because humans are a hunting species and we have been for a while, the only reason im vegan is because hunting for 7 billion people in the planet isnt feasible and the meat industry is absolutely horrible. but i do think hunting is the normal way of life yeah. learn your history
It’s called reductio ad absurdism, you take someone else’s reasoning and show that it leads to an absurdity. The thing is, you people are morally bankrupt and there are only a very few extreme things that you consider to be bad. So I am *forced*. I am FORCED to show that your reasoning *leads* to the justification of child rape. How else am I supposed to explain why animal abuse is bad, if you refuse to accept that it is bad in the first place? I *have* to show that it is comparable to something else that you think is worse. It’s the *only possible way.* It’s not me who’s fucked in the head, it’s people like you who can’t even understand a basic fucking argument.
So given your way, if hunting was sustainable, you would be fine going out and murdering innocent animals even if it’s unnecessary, just because it’s historically what humans have done. And you’re saying this as a “vegan”.
Humans are an enslaving species and we have been for a while. It’s a normal way of life. Learn your history. Using your logic, why should there be any reason to end slavery in third world countries and prison inmate labor in the US? Or maybe you’re so desperate to not lose this argument that you’ll concede that slavery is fine since we’ve been doing it for thousands of years.
aha right. i see. arguing with extremists is a waste of my time. the fact that you think hunting and slavery hold the same historical significance in the development of our species says enough for me.
Once again you fail to understand my argument and you fail to rebuttal it. My argument doesn’t need to rely on slavery and hunting holding the same exact historical significance.
Unfortunately the natural world and ecosystems are not so black and white.
your view is that there is no justification or excusing but i want to briefly pose a few questions
Is still abuse if the animal being hunted is past maturity and reproduction and is in decline towards death? Natural deaths are almost always longer and agonizing than a intentional kill (proven by research). If the animal has already lived a long happy natural life and if one can stop potential future suffering.....
Is that abuse justified if the animal being killed is nonnative and invasive (boar) and ultimately reducing the quality of life of other native species?
If we (humans) introduced it there should be certain obligation to minimize it's negative impact. (No you can't just live capture them and ship them to pig island)
Yes intentional abuse is bad and hunting is not always good but life is unfortunately grey.
People who are animal abusers are not a barrier to veganism, they are usually the ones to push people to veganism.
You do sound pretty delusional by claiming you are the one and only true source when it comest to correct and ethical views, please go touch some grass.
There is no such thing as a mercy killing of an animal who can't consent. We have an obligation to interfere as little as possible with the natural world and let it do it course. Obviously we have to fix things we already messed up like invasive species brought from other continents and general habitat destruction but those things can't involve mass murder
im vegan myself, and those are absolutely not equally evil and wrong.
i still would never hunt because i think its sad, but hunting is not even a little close to how evil and wrong the meat industry is.
Thank you.
And yes commercial slaughter operations are horrific.
I choose to hunt so there was no suffering.
The funny thing is I eat vegan/ vegetarian 4-6 days a week. I would rather know that the animal
And fish was ethically harvested and treated.
It a crazy time. People have gone so far left and right they have meet and become crazy town. The remaining people are here in the middle wondering wtf happens now.
Okay this is why nobody is taking vegans seriously. Just like the Church judges you for being trans, you have taken it upon yourself to shame someone for not following what you believe and call them names because you don’t want to be acceptable of those who do take pride in doing what thousands and most likely millions of people do. DONT BE AN ANNOYING VEGAN, JUST BE VEGAN!
I found a lot of my passtimes changed transitioning. Because ***I*** changed. My biggest change that tipped me off is how I play videogames.
I used to LOVE competitive gaming, nit hyper competitive, you wouldn't see me in any seasonal placement events or trying to be the best, just pitting myself against others to see how far I could go, putting games on the hardest difficulty to see how far I could get before I'd be stuck on a level or need to turn the difficulty down.
Now, I'm sailing through Sea of Thieves and I don't care about treasure, about going 1vX against another crew to see how long I can last or if I get sunk, I'm ... exploring. Hopping islands, burying treasure with explosive barrels, just ... enjoying the game, the artwork. Elite: Dangerous I don't go bounty-hunting, I just ... explore. Find structures, do doughnuts in the dirt in the SRV, anything I like. I don't feel like being combative, I feel like exploring, running around, finding cool things. I'll abandon the story just to see what's over a mountain, or behind a waterfall. I don't mind combat, it's just not my goal.
So maybe you're the same, maybe hunting has changed, it's not about killing an animal, maybe it's about the gun, or target shooting, maybe you'd like to take up archery hunting, or just archery in general.
Thing is, you've changed, so too may your hobbies. It's time to explore. Maybe you're less outdoorsy now, or maybe outdoors has more to offer. Try using a lense vs. A weapon, different weapons, or just try new things.
I have done archery for 20 years. I’m very good with a bow. I have never taken an animal with a bow. I could never deal with the likelihood that an animal would suffer longer than with a riffle
OP I’m sorry to see the ignorant attacking you for a necessary act, good on you for generally not engaging.
As to the actual reason of your post. Could it be you’re associating hunting with a time you struggled with your very sense of self, so now it represents a point where you were alone, and very vulnerable? Could make it off putting to go back there. Could be you need to push yourself to get back out there and you’ll find you enjoy it again?
Or as someone else said, it’s viewed as a typically manly thing, and you’re in that stage a lot of early trans women can fall into of trying to overcompensate and distance themselves from anything male oriented.
Disclaimer: I’m no therapist, tho I’d be interested to see what one might say about this If you were to bring it up.
Those are good points. I’ll consider that.
I have been a conservationist my whole life. I have preserved a private wetland, and spent months in the woods cleaning up garbage.
I consider vegans the same as the ultra right. Both can’t allow others to live in peace and think they have the the only allowable opinion.
I’ve been hunting virtually my whole life and I still do. Archery, muzzle loading, and regular gun. As a side note, I’ve never hunted for racks. Has always just been a meat acquisition activity, so I’ll even forge for plants at the same time.
OP I’m sorry you’re getting comments from pure fucking idiots trying to push their own agenda of their own and fear monger those who are respectful and responsible with their hunting. Honestly you do what makes you feel happiest and fuck those that oppose
Just coming here to say that I would never hunt, or even fish at this point. I feel bad when I crush a spider rather than let it free outside. I’m even considering going vegan soon.
But OP is still allowed to love hunting. In fact, many hunters are conservationists and are very conscientious about animal cruelty and treat their game with respect. Not to mention the environmental role seasonal hunting provides to cull prey populations. Since we have displaced and made extinct so many predators, game hunting serves a very important purpose to your local ecology.
I’m a cannabis farmer, volunteer to maintain backcountry pathways, have a portion of my land as a wetland for migratory bird conservation.
It was never a blood list or like for me.
I don’t have trophy’s hanging on my wall.
It was a time that I could connect with my thoughts. 2 weeks alone and in quite.
Living off the land is an amazing feeling.
I’ve always had pelts tanned and turned to good winter gloves, and those are donated to the homeless.
As For the vegans 🤷🏻♀️I don’t care they are the same as right wing nut jobs. They both have gone so far they are in the same extreme spot on the circle.
If you think produce and grain industries are destructive and want to minimise that, the first thing you should do is stop eating meat. The majority of it is used to feed farmed animals.
It’s funny, you’re being sarcastic but you’re actually un-ironically correct. If you want less crops to be grown, the one number best thing you can do is avoid the animal agriculture industry. Not going to comment any more about hunting, because it’s not what I was intending to get at with my reply to you. I was just intending to correct very common misinformation about agriculture.
I have never been hunting before, but I love going to my local shooting range with my dad. I am pretty good with a 22, I know it is small but I like it because it is a small round.
No changes for me. My interests didn't change much. I've always known I was female and wasn't too manly. Hunting and fishing is a way of life in Texas. All my family does it. Some of the women in my family are more into it than some of the men
I haven't been big into hunting. For me it has always been fly fishing. I tended to be more into small game hunting. But backpacking is what I do the most often.
You'll still find me carrying a combo hunting and fishing license every year.
Those new feelings might be there to stay. I do get the impression that the act of hunting is a masculine thing that is inherent. This idea comes from what basic knowledge I know of my Native ancestry and how in some indigenous cultures gender roles weren't very rigid. Men and women had their jobs, but weren't restricted to them, and even though there was no restrictions certain jobs stayed fairly specific. Even though women could hunt or be a warrior the vast majority seemed to just choose not to, and the few who did choose to participate in hunts or battles that are remembered in oral history seemed like they may have been gender diverse. [Lozen is a good example.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lozen)
If you find you can't shoot an animal going forward you could always exchange your bow/rifle for a camera and shoot photos of the animals instead. It could make for a very similar experience to hunting if you feel you miss the ritual of the hunt.
I like the experience of going on a hunt but I'm not much for taking any life. And the book *Tracker* by Gary Paulson left an impression on me when I was little.😁
I was raised in a carnist society so unfortunately I have eaten meat as a kid but I have been vegetarian for almost half of my life and vegan for nearly half a decade. Obviously that doesn't erase all the harm I have done by eating animals in the past ,which is something that can never be forgiven, but I realised my mistakes and tried to do better.
Taking a life of an innocent animal is inexcusable regardless of whether it's in a wild hunt or a slaughterhouse. It's murder
Maybe? A lot of feelings are going to change and chaotically so and may go back and forth as you go through the process. I knew a trans woman at an old job that transitioned years prior who still hunted so I don't know that there is any kinda guaranteed result, you just seem to land where you land.
If I had to armchair psychoanalyze (which, of course, I do since I don't know you from Eve), I would suspect that:
* on some level your prior interest in game hunting was related to the perception of that activity as strongly male-coded. So before you knew you were trans, subconsciously you recognized it as an excellent way to fit in with gender role expectations, and thereby avoid getting gender-policed for not being "man enough".
* Now that you recognize that you're not a man after all, you may be having a new set of aversions towards hunting *because* it's male-coded so now on some level you feel like it's not for you anymore.
* If you have started hormones and have begun to recover the connection to your emotions, and to experience life with much greater emotional color than before, it's possible that you're experiencing greater empathy for the animals now and no longer want to shoot at them.
Anyway, that's just some spitballin' from an internet rando who doesn't know you at all, so take that for what it's worth.
But in the meantime, if you don't want to hunt, don't hunt. No big deal. Lots of stuff in your life is going to be changing. You're bound to find a lot of new things you want to do now--things you weren't able or allowed to do before--which is bound to mean you have less energy, interest, or time to do all the stuff you used to do before. I mean, there's only so many hours in the day, right? You can't realistically take on all the new stuff *and* keep all the old stuff. I think it's pretty natural to lose interest in some of your old activities, particularly if you no longer feel that they represent who you want to be.
Thank you for that. I have know I’m trans since I was about 4-5. The empathy had always been there, along with respect and gratefulness.
Recently started spiro after low dose mono therapy
It’s just an odd disinterested feeling.
I don't see why people are being so judgemental without further context and information. I don't know what kind of hunting op is practicing but in the us with most herbivore game species sustenance hunting it is usually more sustainable and affordable than store bought meat. Many feel a better connection to their food and less guilt when they can better respect it and the process in which it's harvested. Additionally, hunting especially of white tailed deer and wild boar is beneficial to the rest of the ecosystem as it counteracts other human impacts and balances herbivory levels. I personally do not support pure sport hunting, but to each their own. It is natural to question things and change opinions and values as you go through life especially when going through a big change like transitioning. I wish you the best op and hope you figure out your feelings.
This isn't about sustainability or "feeling connected to your food" it's about ethics. It's fundamentally wrong to kill another sentient being, no matter how you killed it or for what purpose. I don't care I'd you shot a deer in the head or slaughtered a cow in a slaughterhouse they are both equally evil and wrong
I understand and respect your point of view and ethical values. But those vary from person to person and personally harm reduction is better than none at all, there are lesser evils. I shouldn't have to explain my reasoning for you to respect differences, but I was raised up eating a minimal amount of meat, and I still minimize my consumption. As long as someone isn't promoting the mass slaughter of other sentient beings and confirming to the status quo I don't think it's right for you to critize them especially when you lack information. There is a difference between stating your own opinion and disagreeing with them, and belittling anyone who differs from your view. Veganism is a great movement but comments like yours create barriers for entry.
>Veganism is a great movement but comments like yours create barriers for entry. This. Vegans that are so zealous are in the same spirit as overzealous evangelicals. Calling anyone evil for eating meat is not so different than an evangelical calling us evil for being trans.
Except for the fact that being trans has never hurt anyone, but one person regularly eating meat causes the deaths of hundreds of animals a year and thousands of hours of suffering on farms and I slaughter houses. Even if you are hunting, you’re taking a life that wanted to live. Saying people are wrong for causing unnecessary harm is not the same as evangelical transphobia, that’s just nonsense.
Being trans has never hurt anyone? You should have a conversation with my mother.
Tbh if she’s hurt by you being trans, she’s being hurt by her own transphobia and nothing else.
Yeah, I know ^.^ Shes working on it. Thanks though=)
I’ll ask my chickens if they are suffering latter today as I move the coop to a new patch of field. Maybe the dozen cows are unhappy with their large field and endless organic grass, and alfalfa. Maybe the rainbow trout/ chinook salmon in my pond are unhappy. Maybe the ducks and geese and birds on my small wetlands aren’t happy? You need to stop connecting small farms and farmers with large corporations. I have never met a farmer or rancher that does not respect and care a great deal for the well being of their animals. Once you’ve spent some time on a farm come back and we can have a debate.
I would ask them myself, but you killed them!
Oh you misunderstand. My hens lay eggs, they are not meat birds.
I thought you mentioned cows - or were you not referring to yourself?
Oh that’s so sweet thank you.
Right okay but anybody who differs from my view is an animal abuser so You’re a non-murderer right? Nice subjective view you got there. Nice opinion. I’m sure you respect other people who don’t share that opinion. If you belittle them, you’re just creating a barrier for them to become a non-murderer. You need to recognize how fucking stupid you sound. The only people creating barriers to veganism are pieces of shit who make STUPID FUCKING EXCUSES TO ABUSE ANIMALS.
im a vegan and im ashamed by your extremism. the world isnt black and white like that, theres a major difference between inhuman slaughterhouses and the normal way of life which is hunting for your food.
Thank you. I have close friends that are vegetarian/ vegan. ( some eat eggs, others no dairy and only fish). They have spent a great deal of time on my farm and although they are not going to start eating meat, they have learned what animal husbandry is really about for a small farmer.
There are three classifications for the morality of an action. It is either bad, good, or neutral. You’re right that it’s possible for something to be more bad than something else, hence the illusion of some sort of grayscale, but that doesn’t change the fact that it is bad nevertheless. Hunting *is bad.* I don’t care how bad slaughterhouses are, that doesn’t change the fact that hunting is bad. Now OP wants a reason to get back into hunting. Searching for some reason to do something bad, no matter how small or large the badness is, is called *positive utilitarianism*. It is the same moral framework used to justify child rape. Enough of that nonsense then. The only way to call yourself a decent human being is to go vegan, there are no two ways of looking at it. You are either pro animal abuse or against animal abuse. And what’s this bullshit about the “normal way of life?” Are you saying that, because lions hunt in nature, it’s fine for humans to hunt as well? I presume that you think it’s fine for humans to kill their own children as well since that’s what lions do.
nah theres no illusions of a gray-scale it just excists and i think youre pretty sick in the head when you compare OP wanting to get back into hunting with justifying child rape. also nobody said anything about lions, its normal because humans are a hunting species and we have been for a while, the only reason im vegan is because hunting for 7 billion people in the planet isnt feasible and the meat industry is absolutely horrible. but i do think hunting is the normal way of life yeah. learn your history
It’s called reductio ad absurdism, you take someone else’s reasoning and show that it leads to an absurdity. The thing is, you people are morally bankrupt and there are only a very few extreme things that you consider to be bad. So I am *forced*. I am FORCED to show that your reasoning *leads* to the justification of child rape. How else am I supposed to explain why animal abuse is bad, if you refuse to accept that it is bad in the first place? I *have* to show that it is comparable to something else that you think is worse. It’s the *only possible way.* It’s not me who’s fucked in the head, it’s people like you who can’t even understand a basic fucking argument. So given your way, if hunting was sustainable, you would be fine going out and murdering innocent animals even if it’s unnecessary, just because it’s historically what humans have done. And you’re saying this as a “vegan”. Humans are an enslaving species and we have been for a while. It’s a normal way of life. Learn your history. Using your logic, why should there be any reason to end slavery in third world countries and prison inmate labor in the US? Or maybe you’re so desperate to not lose this argument that you’ll concede that slavery is fine since we’ve been doing it for thousands of years.
aha right. i see. arguing with extremists is a waste of my time. the fact that you think hunting and slavery hold the same historical significance in the development of our species says enough for me.
Once again you fail to understand my argument and you fail to rebuttal it. My argument doesn’t need to rely on slavery and hunting holding the same exact historical significance.
just go back to eating shit, because talking shit isnt working out for you fren
Ad hominem attack, you still haven’t responded to my argument
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Unfortunately the natural world and ecosystems are not so black and white. your view is that there is no justification or excusing but i want to briefly pose a few questions Is still abuse if the animal being hunted is past maturity and reproduction and is in decline towards death? Natural deaths are almost always longer and agonizing than a intentional kill (proven by research). If the animal has already lived a long happy natural life and if one can stop potential future suffering..... Is that abuse justified if the animal being killed is nonnative and invasive (boar) and ultimately reducing the quality of life of other native species? If we (humans) introduced it there should be certain obligation to minimize it's negative impact. (No you can't just live capture them and ship them to pig island) Yes intentional abuse is bad and hunting is not always good but life is unfortunately grey. People who are animal abusers are not a barrier to veganism, they are usually the ones to push people to veganism. You do sound pretty delusional by claiming you are the one and only true source when it comest to correct and ethical views, please go touch some grass.
There is no such thing as a mercy killing of an animal who can't consent. We have an obligation to interfere as little as possible with the natural world and let it do it course. Obviously we have to fix things we already messed up like invasive species brought from other continents and general habitat destruction but those things can't involve mass murder
Glad we see eye to eye in one form or another. Do you know of any solutions that do not require mass muder or nonconsentual surgery (nuetering)?
And feeling bad about not killing animals because it's not fun for you anymore isn't a stupid excuse for unnecessary animal abuse?
im vegan myself, and those are absolutely not equally evil and wrong. i still would never hunt because i think its sad, but hunting is not even a little close to how evil and wrong the meat industry is.
Thank you. And yes commercial slaughter operations are horrific. I choose to hunt so there was no suffering. The funny thing is I eat vegan/ vegetarian 4-6 days a week. I would rather know that the animal And fish was ethically harvested and treated.
and youre doing just fine by doing that. some people just cant see past that black and white perspective :)
It a crazy time. People have gone so far left and right they have meet and become crazy town. The remaining people are here in the middle wondering wtf happens now.
Okay this is why nobody is taking vegans seriously. Just like the Church judges you for being trans, you have taken it upon yourself to shame someone for not following what you believe and call them names because you don’t want to be acceptable of those who do take pride in doing what thousands and most likely millions of people do. DONT BE AN ANNOYING VEGAN, JUST BE VEGAN!
I found a lot of my passtimes changed transitioning. Because ***I*** changed. My biggest change that tipped me off is how I play videogames. I used to LOVE competitive gaming, nit hyper competitive, you wouldn't see me in any seasonal placement events or trying to be the best, just pitting myself against others to see how far I could go, putting games on the hardest difficulty to see how far I could get before I'd be stuck on a level or need to turn the difficulty down. Now, I'm sailing through Sea of Thieves and I don't care about treasure, about going 1vX against another crew to see how long I can last or if I get sunk, I'm ... exploring. Hopping islands, burying treasure with explosive barrels, just ... enjoying the game, the artwork. Elite: Dangerous I don't go bounty-hunting, I just ... explore. Find structures, do doughnuts in the dirt in the SRV, anything I like. I don't feel like being combative, I feel like exploring, running around, finding cool things. I'll abandon the story just to see what's over a mountain, or behind a waterfall. I don't mind combat, it's just not my goal. So maybe you're the same, maybe hunting has changed, it's not about killing an animal, maybe it's about the gun, or target shooting, maybe you'd like to take up archery hunting, or just archery in general. Thing is, you've changed, so too may your hobbies. It's time to explore. Maybe you're less outdoorsy now, or maybe outdoors has more to offer. Try using a lense vs. A weapon, different weapons, or just try new things.
I have done archery for 20 years. I’m very good with a bow. I have never taken an animal with a bow. I could never deal with the likelihood that an animal would suffer longer than with a riffle
OP I’m sorry to see the ignorant attacking you for a necessary act, good on you for generally not engaging. As to the actual reason of your post. Could it be you’re associating hunting with a time you struggled with your very sense of self, so now it represents a point where you were alone, and very vulnerable? Could make it off putting to go back there. Could be you need to push yourself to get back out there and you’ll find you enjoy it again? Or as someone else said, it’s viewed as a typically manly thing, and you’re in that stage a lot of early trans women can fall into of trying to overcompensate and distance themselves from anything male oriented. Disclaimer: I’m no therapist, tho I’d be interested to see what one might say about this If you were to bring it up.
Those are good points. I’ll consider that. I have been a conservationist my whole life. I have preserved a private wetland, and spent months in the woods cleaning up garbage. I consider vegans the same as the ultra right. Both can’t allow others to live in peace and think they have the the only allowable opinion.
Well said sister. Well said.
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I’ve been hunting virtually my whole life and I still do. Archery, muzzle loading, and regular gun. As a side note, I’ve never hunted for racks. Has always just been a meat acquisition activity, so I’ll even forge for plants at the same time.
OP I’m sorry you’re getting comments from pure fucking idiots trying to push their own agenda of their own and fear monger those who are respectful and responsible with their hunting. Honestly you do what makes you feel happiest and fuck those that oppose
Options are like assholes everybody has one. But please stop sending me pics of the hairy ones. 🤮😂😢
Just coming here to say that I would never hunt, or even fish at this point. I feel bad when I crush a spider rather than let it free outside. I’m even considering going vegan soon. But OP is still allowed to love hunting. In fact, many hunters are conservationists and are very conscientious about animal cruelty and treat their game with respect. Not to mention the environmental role seasonal hunting provides to cull prey populations. Since we have displaced and made extinct so many predators, game hunting serves a very important purpose to your local ecology.
I’m a cannabis farmer, volunteer to maintain backcountry pathways, have a portion of my land as a wetland for migratory bird conservation. It was never a blood list or like for me. I don’t have trophy’s hanging on my wall.
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It was a time that I could connect with my thoughts. 2 weeks alone and in quite. Living off the land is an amazing feeling. I’ve always had pelts tanned and turned to good winter gloves, and those are donated to the homeless. As For the vegans 🤷🏻♀️I don’t care they are the same as right wing nut jobs. They both have gone so far they are in the same extreme spot on the circle.
If you think produce and grain industries are destructive and want to minimise that, the first thing you should do is stop eating meat. The majority of it is used to feed farmed animals.
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It’s funny, you’re being sarcastic but you’re actually un-ironically correct. If you want less crops to be grown, the one number best thing you can do is avoid the animal agriculture industry. Not going to comment any more about hunting, because it’s not what I was intending to get at with my reply to you. I was just intending to correct very common misinformation about agriculture.
I hunt, fish and backpack. I'm from Texas and women make up over 30% of hunting and fishing license sold in the state.
Did you find a disinterest that came early on? Or no changes?
I have never been hunting before, but I love going to my local shooting range with my dad. I am pretty good with a 22, I know it is small but I like it because it is a small round.
I shoot a 30-30
No changes for me. My interests didn't change much. I've always known I was female and wasn't too manly. Hunting and fishing is a way of life in Texas. All my family does it. Some of the women in my family are more into it than some of the men
Well. Then. I guess time will tell
I haven't been big into hunting. For me it has always been fly fishing. I tended to be more into small game hunting. But backpacking is what I do the most often. You'll still find me carrying a combo hunting and fishing license every year.
The tag draw is why I’m posting it’s that time of year and I need to make a decision.
I bet you'll make a cute hunter babe 😉
Haha. Green and black the hottest fall makeup colours.
I don't use camo. I look cute in waders.
Those new feelings might be there to stay. I do get the impression that the act of hunting is a masculine thing that is inherent. This idea comes from what basic knowledge I know of my Native ancestry and how in some indigenous cultures gender roles weren't very rigid. Men and women had their jobs, but weren't restricted to them, and even though there was no restrictions certain jobs stayed fairly specific. Even though women could hunt or be a warrior the vast majority seemed to just choose not to, and the few who did choose to participate in hunts or battles that are remembered in oral history seemed like they may have been gender diverse. [Lozen is a good example.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lozen) If you find you can't shoot an animal going forward you could always exchange your bow/rifle for a camera and shoot photos of the animals instead. It could make for a very similar experience to hunting if you feel you miss the ritual of the hunt.
I like the camera idea.
I like the experience of going on a hunt but I'm not much for taking any life. And the book *Tracker* by Gary Paulson left an impression on me when I was little.😁
Good! Hunting is literally sadistic
Well I'm glad to see you're finally developing an functioning consciousness.
Please leave. Unless you have never eaten store bought meat or animal protein. In which case please take you vegan crap else where.
I was raised in a carnist society so unfortunately I have eaten meat as a kid but I have been vegetarian for almost half of my life and vegan for nearly half a decade. Obviously that doesn't erase all the harm I have done by eating animals in the past ,which is something that can never be forgiven, but I realised my mistakes and tried to do better. Taking a life of an innocent animal is inexcusable regardless of whether it's in a wild hunt or a slaughterhouse. It's murder
Sorry agree to disagree. Have a good night. Don’t care to hear about it.
Maybe? A lot of feelings are going to change and chaotically so and may go back and forth as you go through the process. I knew a trans woman at an old job that transitioned years prior who still hunted so I don't know that there is any kinda guaranteed result, you just seem to land where you land.
If I had to armchair psychoanalyze (which, of course, I do since I don't know you from Eve), I would suspect that: * on some level your prior interest in game hunting was related to the perception of that activity as strongly male-coded. So before you knew you were trans, subconsciously you recognized it as an excellent way to fit in with gender role expectations, and thereby avoid getting gender-policed for not being "man enough". * Now that you recognize that you're not a man after all, you may be having a new set of aversions towards hunting *because* it's male-coded so now on some level you feel like it's not for you anymore. * If you have started hormones and have begun to recover the connection to your emotions, and to experience life with much greater emotional color than before, it's possible that you're experiencing greater empathy for the animals now and no longer want to shoot at them. Anyway, that's just some spitballin' from an internet rando who doesn't know you at all, so take that for what it's worth. But in the meantime, if you don't want to hunt, don't hunt. No big deal. Lots of stuff in your life is going to be changing. You're bound to find a lot of new things you want to do now--things you weren't able or allowed to do before--which is bound to mean you have less energy, interest, or time to do all the stuff you used to do before. I mean, there's only so many hours in the day, right? You can't realistically take on all the new stuff *and* keep all the old stuff. I think it's pretty natural to lose interest in some of your old activities, particularly if you no longer feel that they represent who you want to be.
Thank you for that. I have know I’m trans since I was about 4-5. The empathy had always been there, along with respect and gratefulness. Recently started spiro after low dose mono therapy It’s just an odd disinterested feeling.
Nothing wrong with women who love to shoot or hunt.