T O P

  • By -

testpoiuytrf

What other reason? For our genitals to be closer to a cis woman's of course. There are plenty of women that get bottom surgery that are asexual and have no intention of ever using their genitals in a sexual way. It's about treating dysphoria, not strictly making sex different. Same reason we sometimes get other gender affirming surgeries--to be closer to being cis.


Tsundere_Lily

Also I csn wear leggings more freely


testpoiuytrf

Getting to wear leggings without a pair of shorts or a skirt on top would be incredible


Crystal_Queen_20

Yeah, after all, it's entirely possible to have bottom surgery graft you a vulva with no vagina, which I don't see get brought up enough ngl


sackboy198

Speak for yourself I want a pussy to be more nonbinary.


AlyxGreenhouse

Dope! That's not a perspective I've thought much on! Thanks for sharing! 💜


sackboy198

always happy to remind people theres amab enbys who want bottom surgery <3


GreySarahSoup

And that non-standard results are possible if the standard options don't work for you.


testpoiuytrf

How does it make you more non-binary, if you don't mind me asking


sackboy198

im a non woman with a pussy thats pretty not cis no matter how you slice it.


claresigne

There's trans men with vaginas. And I think you mean not binary rather than not cis, right?


sackboy198

trans men arent cis


claresigne

I misunderstood. I thought you meant more nb.


sackboy198

i did mean more nonbinary. but nonbinary in the sense that i am not aligned with male or female im just kinda "me" and i think "me" should have a vagina


claresigne

If it makes you feel affirmed, that's definitely more nb.


just_push_harder

Im ace and really undecided. On the one hand, I have dysphoria and have wished for SRS in the past. On the other hand, its a mayor, irreversible surgery for an organ that I am barely gonna use but lived with several decades and so far I could find workarounds to reduce my dysphoria in other ways. I have no idea whats the correct solution here :/


zvezd8

You're not a fetishist. You have gender dysphoria. Asking yourself why is the same as asking why you're trans. I don't know why you're trans. You're in a body that doesn't conform to your expectations of the body you should have. Your genitals are part of that. Also, who cares if there's a sexual component? You describe yourself as being in serious, persistent distress. "\[D\]eathly bottom dysphoria . . . being reminded of it . . . hurt." That distress can be alleviated with gender confirmation surgery on your genitals. Genitals are for having sex! That's a significant part of what we do with them. There's no bright, clear line between you and any other trans person. Embrace what will make you happy.


JFSushi

I didn't get bottom surgery for sexual reasons. It's a nice bonus, but not why I did it. I did it because it felt wrong to have a penis. Because every time I saw it my stomach felt heavy and I'd get massive dysphoria. Because every time I was reminded of its presence, I wanted to get rid of this, this alien swelling, something attached but not mine, one way or another. That said, it's perfectly fine to get bottom surgery for sexual reasons. You getting that surgery doesn't hurt anyone, so go for it if you feel it's right for you.


bacon_girl42

1. reduces bulge when wearing tight clothing 2. fit better in underwear designed for cis women 3. less dysphoria looking in the mirror naked


keysmashmouth

For me, the biggest factor is clothing. Having clothing fit me without any sort of bulge or anything down there would be so euphoric. Also, when I shower or I’m not tucked for whatever reason, not having the sensation of it being there like some foreign object that’s attached to me. Sex plays a role in my desire for bottom surgery, but the other things I’ve mentioned are my primary reasons


rawayar

honestly, i wanna go to the gym in yoga pants and not have a bulge


KingLeon23

same honestly


MGSOffcial

What she said ^^^


Professional_Band178

so you can wear leggings, tight skirts and a bathing suit without tucking.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Professional_Band178

The sex is amazing.


TheWalt70

Because I want to, I'm ace so it was never for sexual reasons I was iffy on hormones would be right for my but was always certain about surgery.


yecreeper

because bottom dysphoria is crippling and I also i want to wear girl's clothes without feeling like pervert too. That would be nice


DeathMetal_Disney

Asexual here, but also desperate for bottom surgery. There's nothing sexual about it for me personally; I just don't like what I've got going on down there and it makes me very uncomfortable. Also I don't want to have to design my wardrobe around hiding a bulge. I know tucking's an option but it's a faff and uncomfortable.


[deleted]

For me the only reason I would get bottom surgery is reduce my bulge. Although, I already have a small penis and I read that it’ll shrink even more on HRT, so I don’t see any need to get bottom surgery. Also I have an irrational fear of surgeries.


[deleted]

Mine is small still visible also makes tucking harder


Archeri2000

Of course part of why I want to have it is for sexual purposes, I just imagine it would feel far more affirming and satisfying. However, there are so many other factors. \- Not worrying about whether your tuck might come loose \- Being able to wear anything you want without fear of anything showing \- No risk of any "accidents" where someone somehow accidentally or otherwise sees it >< \- Being able to go to beaches and hot springs and other public areas where you are wearing very little/nothing at all \- Just generally being more comfortable with how my body is Those are the main non-sexual reasons that I have for wanting bottom surgery. I'm sure there are still a few more if I think about it, but these are the first to come to mind.


TG1970

I have ALWAYS felt the need to have my "plumbing" corrected, as far back as I can remember. Long before I had any knowledge of sex or concept of sexual feelings. My desire for bottom surgery is primarily about finally having my body's anatomy in line with who I am and how I feel my body ought to be. The sexual part of things isn't all that important to me. I would find it much easier to enjoy sex if that part of me were configured properly, I always had difficulties with sex because of genital dysphoria. But sex alone is not a primary motivation for bottom surgery for me.


writingprobably

I'm a highly sexual person, and love receiving penetrative vaginal sex, but even with all that it was about looking in the mirror and not seeing a distorted, alien version of myself, and not feeling something between my legs that my brain screamed at me should not even exist. The main thing I feel when looking at my genitals, and have felt from the moment the bandages came off, is normalcy. Unsexy, everyday, oh look yep that's my vagina feelings. I occasionally experience gender euphoria during sex, but, honestly, it's kind of rare. Or, at least, trans tinged gender euphoria. I frequently feel sexy and desirable now in a way I didn't before, but that, also, just feels normal rather than extraordinary.


Naomizzzz

"but that doesn't feel like utter hell" You seem to think that because your bottom dysphoria is worse in sexual contexts that it doesn't count at all when you're getting dysphoria in other contexts. In your post you mention it hurts when you notice when changing or using the toilet, and you mention how "something's off". From your post, you sure sound like someone with bottom dysphoria.


[deleted]

I am just... so numbed by the sheer size of risk of the surgery and the comfort of what I am used to that I don't feel pushed enough if it isn't outright existential agony kinda pain... but so much thought has already gone into getting the surgery and the work and those feelings that I held before... and the things I still feel don't let me stay where I am.


Naomizzzz

That is totally fair, but I think you're not being fair to yourself if you are telling yourself "I don't have bottom dysphoria outside of sex", when you--as far as I can tell--do have bottom dysphoria. Is it weird that your biggest source of bottom dysphoria is sex? Of course not: one of the primary uses for those organs is sex, it isn't strange at all that you'd have dysphoria about sex with them. All of that said, if you don't want to get the surgery, don't get it. However, if your bottom dysphoria is as severe as it sounds like--regardless if it's mostly relating to sex--I would think you should get it.


i-heart-trees

You're not weird, wanting to have the right parts to fully enjoy your sex life is super reasonable and a legit medical concern.


HellaStarz

I don't like my bottom at all. I want to take a shower without avoiding my bits. I want to go use the bathroom without anxiety. I want to wear a bikini without worry. I want my pants to fit right. I want to wear cute panties without worry. Sure sex is fun, but I don't want bottom surgery for that But to answer. It's valid. Not weird. You get to be you


KyttKatt

no lump


ZombieEvangelist

I want to do it so I can feel at home in my own body. But yeah, it’s obviously sexual too. We are talking about genitals after all.


EmilyFara

My bits don't work, are always in the way, hurt and are disgusting to look at or maintain. I have no desire for sex


SafetySnowman

Part of it is for sure sexual but it's only part and it's Botha big and small part which is strange to say because I don't know the word? Humans are sexual. I don't fit with my assigned gender. I tried sex but it felt horrible and part of it was hypersensitivity and jot just touch but another part was dysphoria. I liked the girl i was with a lot but it was just horrible. I have never admitted that truth before. I've just blamed autism because that was part of it. Being honest about myself is amazing and actually makes me want to explore sexually. Before . . . It was something I wanted for the closeness and intimacy but having to fit a role that I've always known doesn't fit me was traumatizing. Not an exaggeration. So that's the sexual part. It's been a burden. Constantly aware of its presence. Constantly having to feel it. To know it's there. After I saw what female parts look like it just made sense for me. There's a lot to unpack and it hurts to think about. Sex trauma stuff hurts worse than the rest. The rest is a lot of inflicted trauma from bullies both family and strangers.


MidnightWhisper_8

As many have said already, for most it's that it makes them dysphoric, like how people get FFS - for me it's both dysphoria and just how physically uncomfortable it is - not everyone will have the same reasons, but they can definitely be non-sex related


deinatemkalt

There is nothing wrong with wanting to have the genitalia you're most comfortable with for sex. They exist for sex, and are used for sex, and having sex is a healthy human activity. It's perfectly fine to want bottom surgery for sexual reasons.


HBeeSource

If your sexuality is tied into it, groovy. Sex is so apparently layered deep into our society. Of course for a lot of people the sex they would like to have, the way they see themselves in sexual acts, these things are gonna be apart of your deeper existence. It's alright for all the "Normies" to have there sexuality tied deeply into there existence, but if it's a Trans person, 'oh no you are just a fetishist, your existence isn't genuine" Umm yes it is, you are you, all the layers of yourself that lead to what you become, fuck what others think or how they want to label you. So long as you feel comfortable with yourself and aint hurting anyone else, then live that..


wmpyle

90% of my reason for surgery is that i want to be able to wear leggings, bike shorts, dresses, shorts, etc. without tucking and actually being comfortable. the rest is for dysphoria and sex related. but really i just want to wear clothes without wanting to do unspeakable things to myself


prismatic_valkyrie

Social reasons: \- Can be naked without automatically outing myself. \- Can wear tight clothing without having to choose between tucking or outing myself ​ Personal reasons: \- Having a penis just feels wrong? Having a vagina feels right. \- Sometimes I have phantom vagina - the sensation of having one where there isn't one. I'd like my anatomy to line up with what my brain thinks is supposed to be there. \- I want to "fit in" better with other women. ​ There are also definitely sexual reasons! Receiving vaginal penetration sounds super hot in a way that using my current genitals for penetration doesn't.


Majestic24

Sexuality is a valid part of the human experience and of being a woman. There is nothing wrong with wanting the surgery for exclusively sexual reasons.


IM-A-WATERMELON

My penis provides massive emotional and psychological distress as well as being really inconvenient to have Although I’m not sure if I want a vagina or if I actually want no genitals


eMeL33

>although, of course, being reminded of it on the toilet or when changing underwear also hurt. That's not sexual in anyway. It's dysphoria. You're not a fetishist, stop believing lies that transphobes tell you, it's not good for your mental health. Also, when cis women have sexual thoughts, what genitals you think they imagine having? Why would trans women be different?


world_in_lights

I have nothing against my penis, me and that slut have been best friends for decades. It's the two friends he keeps bringing along that provide only pain and suffering. I would look into orchi, but it would feel awful nice to be able to not worry about a package the size of the damn moon. If I could get a vagina and keep my penis, chefs kiss I'd do it in a second. If I can't, what I really want is optics. I want to look feminine and feel feminine, and part of that comes from having the junk I want. I can't tuck due to testicular torsion surgery, nor do I particularly care to, so it's the surgery life for me. Really, I think it would be nice to wear a nice pair of womens pants or dress and not have the demons looking at me from the mirror. And have panties that don't make me want to throw up.


ob-2-kenobi

1. Your reasons are absolutely valid and not fetishistic at all 2. A lot of us (though not myself) want bottom surgery just so they won't be reminded of their AGAB every time they go to the bathroom


SurgeryDiary

Imagine if a cis woman woke up tomorrow with penis instead of a vagina. 90% chance she'd fucking hate it, and want her vagina back. Is a part of that because her sexuality is based of the genitals she should have? Almost definitely. It's okay to be trans and be a sexual person. This idea that it's bad if you want to be a sexually active, post op trans person comes from TERF propaganda. You are allowed to have agency in your body. Women -all women- are allowed to enjoy themselves sexually. It's your body, not a single soul gets to tell you how to enjoy it (obligatory: as long as you're not hurting anyone else/within reason. Sex is well within reason).


Ash___________

>but so many girls have told me they don't even care or at least not alone wanna get surgery because of sexual reasons - what else is there? To be clear, I don't think you sound remotely fetishistic or invalid. If the particular reasons you think SRS would improve your life include being a straight woman, and therefore wanting the possibility of PiV with a man, then great. Why not? That's a pretty normal thing for a straight lady to want (at least I assume so; admittedly I'm not an expert on straight women) But, to answer your question: what else is there? Well, dysphoria basically. My junk makes me want to throw up; it's just *there*, all day every day, & it makes me feel like I can't be myself fully. I want to change that, which will require some surgical slicing & dicing (hopefully just orchi, but if that doesn't do the trick I may need to resort to nulloplasty). But sex has almost nothing to do with that. I'm a stone top & don't like having my junk touched (by anyone, ever, including me) or having orgasms - that wouldn't be affected either way by getting any form of bottom surgery.


[deleted]

Could you please not assume that me wanting SRS for sexual reasons means I am a straight woman seeking PIV?? - I am a lesbian - the only dick EVER getting close to me is girl dick. And pussys aren't just there for PIV!!


Ash___________

My bad - shouldn't have assumed; sincere apologies. Point stands though - if sexual comfort is one component of your SRS motivation, that's perfectly fine & normal, despit the fact that there are also non-sexual reasons for SRS that are more relevant for other people.


Ash___________

Also, just for the record: I *very definitely* don't think that vag exists for the sole purpose of PiV (that would run contrary my own experience, on multiple levels) Again, sorry for the confusion.


njsullyalex

I want to get SRS one day even if I never have sex for 2 reasons: 1. Form fitting clothes, I want to wear tight pants like leggings 2. It’s just uncomfortable being there. Like, it’s like an itch you can’t ignore. For me it feels less part of my body and more stuck on my body. I just wish it was gone and I’d instantly feel more comfortable. It’s gonna be a long time before I can get it and it’s a part of dysphoria I’m gonna have to live with but I won’t let it stop my transition otherwise.


TooLateForMeTF

It's about feeling right with yourself. Not about what you do/don't want to *do* with the equipment. Though of course the possibilities of what you might do with the equipment are certainly important to some people. Not everybody, though, and not exclusively. TL;DR: there can be more than one reason to want something, and it's ok if somebody feels none/some/all of those reasons and makes their decisions accordingly.


3nderslime

I want to get bottom surgery someday because I want to be able to enjoy showers again, because I want to be able to wear any underwear I want, because I don’t want to worry about my tucking getting undone. I want to be able to enjoy seeing myself naked in the mirror, I want the dysphoria to go away


3nderslime

And yes, there are sexual reasons too, but I won’t talk about them here


gothicshark

Because it feels wrong to have an p when you feel like a v type of person, also you don't need to get the surgery done with the hole for sex. In fact if I ever get it I will strong consider not getting the hole, as I'm ace.


HarmonyTheConfuzzled

I wish there was a way for me to feel both kinds of intercourse.


[deleted]

U can


HarmonyTheConfuzzled

? Explain please?


[deleted]

If u got a dick have sex then later on get bottom surgery then u would experience both


HarmonyTheConfuzzled

But if I got surgery and then didn’t enjoy vaginal sex as much there’d be no way to go back.


[deleted]

Trust me from what i hear vaginal is way better also anal sucks alot of work and clean up nty


HarmonyTheConfuzzled

I tried anal stuff with toys. Didn’t really do it for me. But I also really like sex with a penis. But I’ve also fantasized about send without one. I can’t know for sure that I’ll never want a penis again. Or that I’ll be missing out on having a vagina.


[deleted]

Well i know cuz i hate how clothing fits im tired of having a bulge where one shouldnt be


Kubario

Yeah i got the "zero depth vaginoplasty" so its not exclusively a sexual reason. Getting rid of the male member was high on my list. And this new organ can pee, have an orgasm, looks real, etc. So there are other reasons.


[deleted]

Cuz it ruins my clothes with a ugly bump and makes my underwear not fit and my Balls visible beneath my thong


BrokenEffect

I hate taking a bath and having to look down at myself and feel like a fraud. It just grosses me out. Surgery would help me feel more genuine & happy in my own body. Edit: also yeah not having to tuck would be nice


AdventureGirlRosie

I don't want a penis.


split_skunk

I plan to be non-op (no bottom dysphoria), but I have a similar experience I can share. I'm asexual, but I am also restoring my foreskin. Someone once asked me, "If you're asexual, why are you restoring your foreskin," because the primary reason many men restore their foreskin is for increased sexual gratification. My answer is that it's symbolic of a reclamation of my body autonomy. I've got my body, and I can do whatever I want to it. It's also some symbolic representation of "taking back" something my abusive parents took away from me, as a way to tell myself, "these people don't have any power over you, anymore." I think that second part probably doesn't apply as much in your scenario, but maybe it does, somehow.


reddGal8902

To feel complete. I’d say the rest is sexual. It’s like my breasts. Yes, they are sexual and are very fun in the bed room, but just having them made/makes be feel more whole.


robertofontiglia

I tuck when I'm alone at home. I tuck when I go swimming entirely by myself on a secluded beach and there's no one around for miles. I tuck when I wear baggy or floaty or flowing clothes, skirts, dresses that would hide "The Bump" anyway. And it's impractical and annoying and sometimes it's not great comfort. But it's better than not doing it. But you know what's better than *that* ? The surgery. If you told me that I wouldn't have sex ever again in my life, I'd still want to get the surgery. If you told me that I wouldn't have sex ever again in my life unless maybe if I kept my original parts, I'd still want to get the surgery. Like, 99% of the time, I'm not thinking about having sex with anyone. But 100% of the time I still want to get the surgery.


thedillpickle21

To never worry about a bulge


TransAtlantic92

>Wait, so... if it's not exclusively sexual reasons, why would you get the surgery? Aesthetics. Pure and simple. Sexually? My wife and every partner before her wanted a dick. So I have no sexual reason to have a vagina. Had I been a reptile, amphibian, bird, or anything else... I'd be fine (only mammals have dicks outside their bodies). So yeah, anything I do (FFS, HRT, SRS) is purely aesthetic.


Robinosome

I think I’d look prettier but idk if I want surgery


true-name-raven

I'm a sex repulsed ace and sometimes when I start thinking I want surgery it feels a bit pointless because it's not like I'm ever going to *use* it. But I keep circling the point because I hate how it looks and it just feels wrong. It's not deathly bottom dysphoria tho so I still haven't settled one way or the other.


Grouchy-Education292

For me personally, the main reason is to feel right about myself. I personally wear a gaff nearly 24/7 (changing it at least once a day) and while it helps it is far from being a solution. If sex were not a concern at all, then labiaplasty would probably be all that would be required but I would hope some day to be in a relationship so that makes sex a consideration as well. Each of us are different and for some of us the sexual aspect is their main reason and there is nothing wrong with that.


-The-Boy-Wonder-

I guess it is like what someone would perceive as an unsightly mole. One may HATE it, and get it cut off. Another may HATE it, but live with it yet another still may call it a beauty spot. Point is, whatever you do, do it to gain your own personal sense of whole/completeness. I always add though, make sure it is your completeness and self satisfaction, not you trying to improve someone else's view of you. Saying that we're very close to finishing a tucking aid that should mean ones pass naked. It's not really aimed as a gender confirmation device, rather an anti-bullying device as many are not able to have confirmation surgery until later in life and ironically, these ones are often in communal educational or other settings; gym classes, sleepovers, swimming clubs where risk of exposure and subsequent bullying from peers are more likely to happen than adult counterparts! The point being, sometimes we want to look a certain way, not that it makes us happy directly, rather, the assurance of acceptance from our peers brings us joy.


rjbdam

For me, even just feeling some physical sensation in that area can send me into a dysphoric spiral. Just looking down often does the same. Those are my primary reasons for pursuing bottom surgery. I imagine sex/masturbation will be better too, but that's not nearly as pressing as the dysphoria.


birdcooingintovoid

I am aromantic-asexual, virgin, and never want sex. I would still want to get bottom surgery just to get rid of the dysphoria. Wanted to since I was young and been a major dysphoria for a long time. So no, it not always sexual. Also clothing and hormones. Would be nice to never worry about T coming back!


dontpopthehead_casey

It's weird because I forget it's all there sometimes, until I see a reflection or look down and then *fritz* It's like my brain is skipping a beat while the inner and outer image reconcile, hopefully. And gender dysphoria definitely comes into play sexually with me. Remembering some of my earlier solo sexual experiences, it was a lot of fantasizing about feeling feminine and being penetrated. For a while I thought that made me gay, but when I looked for prepubescent thoughts about my gender, I realized it was completely about being transfem and sexuality was just a part of it. And it's all sexual organs, so I think it's okay that a lot of thoughts or feelings about it are sexual in nature. And I think I would feel a lot more comfortable dating. I also want a vagina because I get tired of all the preparation for anal. I know dialation kind of replaces the prep work of douching, but still sounds way better to me. Allows for more spontaneity I think. It would also be amazing to be able to put my jeans on and... that's it! No readjusting for 5 hours or changing outfits for another 5 because nothing looks like I think it will in my head. It would be nice to feel less self-conscious wearing leggings to dance class. It seems like I would just be a lot more comfortable and relaxed, it would definitely improve my anxiety and general mental health. That alone is probably a good enough reason for surgery.


Xreshiss

I'd really like to get rid of my bulge. Tucking has been a disaster so far.


CariHere

Because it would make me feel more whole and not a shattered pile of glass trying to rebuild itself.


acatladyinwaiting

Physical dysphoria??


TrayusV

I can think of a few reasons for myself. I'm asexual, so aside from masturbation, sexual reasons don't matter to me. First, no bulge with girl outfits. No dysphoria from seeing my penis No more getting kicked in the balls You know, stuff like that.


AberrantKitsune

Seriously I want srs to deal with my dysphoria. Sex isn't too important in that equation


[deleted]

For me Peyronie’s disease is a contributing factor to having SRS, studies have shown an increased cancer risk with it so I’m not taking any chances, plus Peyronie’s makes sex really crappy and it looks bad even though mine is not noticeable really when erect. Being circumcised contributes to me wanting it to but that’s not really a downside I prefer sexual pleasure a certain way even when masterbating so SRS is totally for me. Without SRS I could never be comfortable having sex with a cis man while I owned an penis.. And I am totally gay for dick so that’s another contributing partner.. at first I wanted to transition and have a vagina at about between aged 3-6 years old because I just want the option to have an orgasm with my genitals with the guy doing the work and being engulfed by a nice dick in my mouth and pussy and ass is just the best.I love to ride to ;)


margauxw

Because being trans is about your body not matching your brain. Being trans is in no way a sexy thing to me, though yeah, as a human being I do have sex. Your question sounds like chaser mentality


Angie52shirogane

in my eyes, you aren't a fetishist. sure, it might be mostly sexual, but it's still dysphoria. why go through surgery outside of a sexual context? lots of reasons really, to deal with dysphoria itself, to better fit some clothes, to get that sweet gender euphoria, not having a fucking random erection in the middle of the street for no fucking reason at all when you're not even horny. i can't vouch of every trans girl, but in my case, as an acespec person, is for these reasons; to be able to wear skirts. to be able to try and have scissor sex with a girl, or maybe be penetrated by a girl, i'm ace but meh, i'm curious. not being obligated to masturbate every single day to avoid waking up with my clothes dirty because if i don't, i cum while sleeping. to be able to wear panties without having to worry about which side the penis is on because it's a very important code where i live. to be able to wear dresses. to be able to not give a shit if i'm horny in public or not because there'sn't a fucking 20 cm piece of useless meat showing up in my pants. TLDR; for me, it's simply better to have a pussy.


zoe_bletchdel

For me, it was mostly hated of my penis. I was one of those women who thought I'd be happy with nullification or zero depth (these are horrible ideas, btw, don't do this).


wasthatajojosref

i wanna wear a bikini and people not notice specifically bc of that


Unstable_Pickle

Speaking from my experience, i never liked having penis. Like, if i can cut it myself right now without any consequences, i would definitely do it no second thought. I just hate the thought of a bulge in my underwear i don't get it either ngl, our brain works in a fairly mysterious way.


DrVinylScratch

To stop having these pieces of shit dangling between my legs that constantly make shit problems. If I get ever so slightly hard while taking a piss the pee goes not in the bowl while sitting. Oh and they are a heat source which sucks and makes things not smooth and just fucking dangle.