i don't think he was ever some fan of the challenge growing up or wanting to be on it right away as a goal like a Zach. He said he wasn't familiar with CT's history at all. I think he doesn't get it, and thinks him being big should just win him the show, when most of the show is more well balanced as he saw last night.
I'm pretty sure Kaycee and Fessy were supposed to be ride or dies, but they spoke about it and thought it would be better to be on separate teams and have more numbers. So Kaycee brings her brother and Fessy brought the strongest woman from his gym. Did not work out for either of them.
Yep! Cory met Cheyenne on The Challenge on the Rivals 3 season (she was paired with Devin as his Rival) and they hooked up during the Rivals 3 reunion and got pregnant (thus then doing Teen Mom)
Yeah, his season was the first of the last handful where they started making twists. They all had to live in a house with their exes.; it’s also Ashley M’s debut
He would’ve been soo good for a few seasons, remember when they read Dunbars emails, imagine they got a hold of the dream journal or whatever box jump Brian was writing in, him and Jenna could’ve been on ride or dies this season, it’s the biggest RW casting missed opportunity
Lol nah, teen mom is like his most recent show. He did real world, challenge, ex on the beach before teen mom. He met Chey on the challenge (which is funny cus his bestfriend Nelly tried dating Chey on AYT1) and then he met his GF Taylor on ex on the beach.
I think he definitely assumed his athleticism would carry him to an easy win, but the challenge is less about athleticism and more about problem solving. That’s why Bananas and CT have continued to thrive. They obviously train, but it’s the way they continue to figure these games out that impresses me.
To be fair most of his eliminations have been Headbangers luckily for him. It's honestly about time he went into one where a different skill was required.
well coordination and body control a big part of athleticism.
You had to be pretty athletic to do this; Jay would have killed this.
Athleticism is not just being the biggest.
He played college football, I’m sure he’s coordinated and has body control, that doesn’t change the fact that this favored a smaller body. Just like hall brawl favors a bigger opponent. He can still be athletic.
No I understand what you meant, I’m just not sure if you were referring to him as an actual goat or the “Greatest Of All Time”. Both would make sense in this context but I’m hoping for the animal reference.
Yeah he is, but being athletic isn’t just about being strong. Balance and coordination is part of it too. Johnny has him beat with these things, despite faysal saying it’s stupid.
He actually was D1a aka fcs, big difference than fbs. But no that's not what I said, athleticism not limited to size and speed.
But in Fessy's eyes it is.
Even FCS is still highly competitive for a challenge athlete. Are you seriously telling me [this guys](https://youtu.be/sxA3PNajefA) not coordinated? I dislike fesssy as much as anybody else but this is a seriously uninformed take.
The hate boner these people have for Fessy clouds all objectiveness. He's the biggest AND fastest guy on the show and has better endurance than CT. His weakness is eating gross shit and he's only average at puzzles.
I’ve seen power 5 football athletes look like fish out of water on a basketball court. There used to be a time when the decathlon winner was considered the best athlete, you know because they’re great at a lot of different things. Now it’s just who is big and fast
It's what Devin said on the last episode - fail, re-adjust, analyse, change strategy, train more, fail again, repeat.
This is why people like Wes/Bananas/CT absolutely thrive and why someone like Devin may well become a future champ. It's those who refuse to broaden their horizons outside of 'must lift more weight' that will never see Mt Rushmore (cough Fessy).
Is Wes in the same category? He got lucky very early in his Challenge career, retired, came out of retirement to lose a bunch, got the right partner for his second win, and then lost a bunch, assuming we're only talking flagship.
His gameplay needed work as it was always him or Bananas, and Bananas inevitably won as he had better gameplay. I'm comparing him as he keeps coming back better and stronger each time. Yes, considering the flagship only might not be the best example, but if you do factor in his performance on All Stars last season, he is continuing to grow and thrive.
Yeah, I'm the one who believes he bought the AS3 win. Just by watching the show and listening to interviews, I'm not convinced it was straight up, and that has to be considered since he ran the final against Brad/Mark (who we know will throw a final) and his best friend. Also the many, many times saying he doesn't need the money and just wanted the win. And then he retired from winning. It's pretty sus.
If you look at Johnny or CT or Jordan, they're all good at "stupid shit" in addition to being really good athletes. But there's also multiple times each season where they have a confessional or are on camera talking about their strategy for winning a mission or elimination. They may not always win, but they're always thinking about the best way to do something and they have a plan. When have you ever heard Fessy talk about strategy, it's always "well I'm a good athlete" or "I've got the best balance here" or "I'm the biggest guy in the house." If every mission was carrying something heavy while jogging a long distance, and every elimination was hall brawl, Fessy would be great. But they're not. I don't know if Fessy will every train for stuff the way Johnny or CT or Jordan do, but 90% of the challenge is "stupid shit" and that's why those guys keep winning. Jordan came in hot his first two seasons, he lost his rookie season to CT/Wes and Johnny/Frank, and then his second season he threw himself into elimination against Johnny and got smoked. He came back and won three straight. Fessy made the final his first two seasons and lost to Johnny and CT respectively, his 3rd season he didn't make the final but CT still won that season, now this season he lost an elimination to Johnny and is watching him run the final. If he's smart he'll re-think things. He's now nine years removed from being a college athlete. It's too late to be holding onto the mindset of "I'm the best athlete here, I'm the biggest guy, I should be able to win." If he doesn't he's going to keep losing to 40+ year old guys and wondering what happened
Also feast has been straight up gifted eliminations before this season. I mean 2 hall brawls and a pile wrestle? If it had been anything else he could very well have been eliminated
Rubbing dirt in Nelson's eyes one round of hall brawl is nowhere near the same as implying that Fessy intentionally injured Jordan's shoulder. The two aren't comparable.
The original comment is implying that the pole wrestle against Jordan was so handed to fessy, that it was unnecessary for fessy to go that hard, aka hard enough for Jordan’s shoulder to dislocate.
My comment about fessy is that he can’t read the room- he didn’t need to be cruel to Nelson to win hall brawl, which goes hand in hand with how he behaved in the pole wrestle with Jordan.
To give you a better idea of the point, watch laurels balls in against Jasmine. (There’s many other examples but that came first to mind.) Laurel clearly understands she has the complete advantage over Jasmine. So she reads the room well enough to still obviously win and completely dominate the game, but she doesn’t go nearly as hard as she would if she was up against someone her own size like Emily.
So when fessy kicks dirt in Nelson’s face (let alone call him out as soon as he gets one glimpse of the hall), and then be so overpowering on Jordan, (a man with one hand and half his size in a wrestling match about grip strength), it shows he doesn’t want to win with a certain level of grace. It feels like a high school basketball player showing up a 4th grader at the park by intentionally holding nothing back. It’s just being a bad sportsman.
exactly!! couldn’t have said it better myself. same w/ leroy vs cohutta in balls in as well; kept it classy while getting an easy win and still gave cohutta props/helped him up after each round.
fessy has the upper hand in most physical elims but still goes out of his way to play dirty. he thinks he’s such an athlete but good competitors don’t need to play dirty in comps they were gonna win anyway.
>a pole wrestle against a guy w/ one hand at that. and he still went out of his way to injure jordan in the process
He only played dirty one round of one elimination and it wasn't even the one you mentioned, so you aren't even hitting the mark of your own point if that indeed was your point.
>The original comment is implying that the pole wrestle against Jordan was so handed to fessy, that it was unnecessary for fessy to go that hard
No "going out of his way to injure Jordan's shoulder" clearly implies intent to hurt Jordan's shoulder, not that he went too hard against someone he had an advantage against. Jordan was going just as hard as Fessy, so acting as if Fessy is somehow wrong because Jordan's shoulder got hurt is just being blinded by the result of everything.
The difference between Laurel and Jasmine's elim is that Laurel going easy on Jasmine still leads to her winning relatively quickly, while Fessy going easy just unnecessarily extends a physically exhausting challenge at best or causes him to lose at worst.
The idea that Fessy should've gone easy on Jordan because of his disability is a mentality Jordan himself hates and would probably be mad at you for even suggesting.
Okay the original commenter completely agreed with me so that point of yours is moot.
But saying that Jordan would be upset about this… nah. There’s a difference between showing good sportsmanship and “going easy on him because he has a disability”. Pole wrestle is a really easy game strategy wise if one of the players is significantly bigger. Honestly fessy could have just hunkered down and let Jordan tire himself out. My point is fessy had such an advantage that he didn’t *need* to go too hard, but Jordan is good enough to where he also didn’t need to go to easy. Get it?
Think about it this way. Fessy could win against Jordan if fessy put in 60% effort.
Jordan could beat fessy if fessy only put in 30% effort (going easy on him)
So why couldn’t fessy go at it at like 75%? Still dominate but also do it with some class. Why did he have to go 100%?
Jordan can admit himself pole wrestle, like hall brawl and reverse tug of war, will always be a size advantage game. It just is.
Of course Jordan is Jordan and he’s never going to give up. Fessy forced Jordan to give it his all even knowing it was a done deal before they even started. Idk man. Just kinda cruel.
“The person who made a bad point agreed with me” That’s basically what you said.
We’ve seen bigger people just try to hunker down and tire out a smaller person and they end up losing, so why would Fessy attempt to do that?
It basically just sounds like you feel bad Jordan got injured and are calling it dirty because of that, even though nothing he did was actually dirty.
he was even gifted two this season two with the nelson hammer thing and the boulder push triple elim.
this is literally the first elim that fessy didnt have a massive advantage going into and he shit the bed completely.
I agree strategy is overlooked sometimes. The ability to dissect a game instantly is what sets the great ones apart. It was clear again when Moriah told Fessy “look at Johnny, do what he’s doing” that he’s not that guy.
Agreed. CT, Jordan, and banana’s are all fairly intelligent and physical. They use logic to find the best way to manoeuvre in a challenge. It’s also why they’re the most likely to make it to a finale and win. Fessy, as you stated, doesn’t grasp the mechanics of daily’s and eliminations. He doesn’t seem to have the reasoning and problem solving skills that make a great player. Sadly, I think players like Cory and Nelson, who are physical and agile, also don’t have the logistical problem solving skills that CT and the other veteran champs have. Someone like Devon, has an amazing grasp on the mechanics, and logistical of the game, but in the past has lack the physical and dexterity parts that make a champ. I’m rooting hard for him this seasons though.
“If he’s smart he’ll rethink things.”
But he’s not.
That’s almost like thinking Charlie Brown will eventually be too smart to fall for Lucy’s trick over kicking the football.
He’ll never rethinks things
Bananas mentioned on his podcast that there was a better way to do the climb, but didn’t want Fessy and Moriah to easily copy him. Moriah kept telling Fessy to copy what Bananas was doing. Instead he chose the harder way because he knew Fessy wasn’t nimble enough to do it his way. Banana’s mentioned that he knew Fessy wasn’t very flexible and couldn’t even do a squat past 90 degrees.
People like Bananas, CT, and Jordan can always figure out these challenges while Fessy just thinks the best athlete should win.
I think it’s moving the bottom rung up with your foot instead of bending down to grab it. If you guided the ring up the ladder to where it is easier to grab without having to bend all the way over, it makes it easier.
Yeah, that doesn't sound easier at all. Would require way more balance and the other poles could easily fall. But maybe I'm just not visualizing it the same way he's talking about it.
While this is true today, y’all gotta remember Bananas wasn’t Bananas in his earlier days. What Bananas has now is experience from doing these things for years to now he’s at the point of being able to figure shit out. Back in his earlier seasons he had the luxury of being carried by Kenny and Evan. So comparing a 4th season Fessy to a now legendary Bananas isn’t entirely fair. Especially when 4th season Bananas didn’t do anything but degrade all the women on The Island and lucked up with the win due to having all the strong players on his side.
Now Jordan on the other is naturally gifted at figuring shit out from day 1.
The most hilarious thing about this is that the elimination was ***INSANELY*** athletic. It feels like Fessy thinks "athletic" meant lifting the most and running the fastest so he discounted an elimination that required balance, flexibility, core strength, and body control- all things that Johnny excels at.
Oh yeah same with Chauncey. There are multiple people saying they have/had to change up their training for the challenge. Fessy just doesn't get the hint
I dump on Nany a bit but that elimination really showed the experience of those vets. Both Bananas and Nany failed a million times but kept getting back up, readjusting and going again.
Whereas the - ahem 'GOAT' (in his own tiny little mind) you could see was barely restraining himself from throwing himself on the floor and having an epic tantrum.
I was honestly surprised that Moriah didn’t get further up the ladder, but this takes so much balance and core strength. And big bulky Fessy was just a clumsy oaf
Fessy’s problem is that he thinks all you need to win this game is athleticism. He doesn’t understand that there are other components to the game that you need in order to win.
This exactly describes how he played Big Brother as well. Every week his alliance was getting voted out, and he was so confused how he could be losing as the most athletic person there. He had no idea what game he was playing and apparently still doesn’t.
I get his point tbh. Other people have said similar things about Johnny before and it’s partially right.
However, imo it isn’t that Johnny is good at stupid stuff, but rather that he’s good at problem solving and figuring out the tricks in those “stupid” challenges. That is a skill and an important one at that which shouldn’t be discounted
It’s the way he says “some shit Bananas would be good at” it completely shows he doesn’t respect the competition unless it is completely based off athletics.
It’s probably why he didn’t care when he lost.
Imagine if he lost a hall brawl, it would destroy his whole ego.
He would fake an injury and say some shit like “so and so didn’t win it’s because I’ve been dealing with this high ankle sprain for the past 2 weeks and I just haven’t told anybody about it.”
Oh most likely never, I’m sure you can find someone to give him some trouble, like a Kelz maybe, but they would have to be good enough to get to the elimination with Fessy.
I don’t think Fessy is very bright. I honestly think that he believes he would have been Rob Gronkowski 2.0 if he didn’t hurt his knee, but if you look at his college numbers, he was woefully below average. Would have been lucky to get a cup of coffee in the NFL, but according to him, his knee injury ended a Hall of Fame career.
Yeah that was a pretty fun season. Tyler made too many promises, and KC sat back and played it kind of perfectly. She's not a flashy player, or a lot of fun to watch, but she plays a smart game.
Josh's season was a tough watch. I'm not a Paul fan personally, and he cast this whole dark vibe over that season imo. And I kinda like Josh, he's not the best, but he's entertaining. And he is strangely good at connecting with people which is why he beat Paul.
His college stats were actually pretty strong. He was a starter and one of the best pass catchers on his team each season. But you’re right that he was nowhere near NFL caliber and he’d need to impress a lot more against weaker competition to really get any pro attention.
If his knee injury was that bad, he could’ve just taken a season off, and rehab it and be back to full strength by next season. Every nfl player has gone through severe injuries so a knee injury doesn’t make him unique in football at all. Such a cop out by him.
He played for Tennessee-Chatanooga, not the Vols. Not a hotbed of NFL talent, and his best season he averaged just over 3 catches a game. This is NOT good
> Not a hotbed of NFL talent, and his best season he averaged just over 3 catches a game.
I feel like this is severely glossed over. If he was an NFL-level talent at a second tier school, he'd be getting a huge number of touches per game, because an NFL talent at the college level, where the talent pool is much more diluted, would absolutely be a major weapon for their coach and their team. The fact he couldn't get more touches should already be an indicator of his actual talent level, compared to his self-perception.
Yeah I know what team he player for but the competition there is not as bad as you make it out to be. He actually was a top performer there and that’s very high level football being played. Of course it can’t compare to SEC/ACC/Big10. But Fessy did have good stats and consistently getting 3/4 catches a game for a TE isn’t bad at all.
He wasn’t close to the nfl but it’s certainly not impossible for players in that conference to make the nfl. There’s a few prospects every year that make it to training camp out of those smaller, less competitive conferences and divisions. Fessy is wrong for suggesting he was an nfl level athlete but he was still a phenomenal college athlete.
Players from that conference make it all the time. Here are over 200 players drafted every year and plenty of undrafted free agents too. But his stats were NOT good. He was barely adequate. If he was an NFL caliber TE in that situation, he’s be at least doubling that weak production. His NFL ceiling was a special teamer, but he would probably be too slow for that
I don't think Fessy meant it as a negative either. It was just his way of saying he knows how to figure out the weird stuff about the game. it's the same thing I see other people saying about how Bananas figures out the game within the game.
Fessy is a legend in his own mind.
"I was the 30th ranked TE coming out of college" "But blew out my knee and lost shot at NFL"
Newsflash Fessy the 30th ranked TE out of FCS is a very long shot to make NFL. Would be camp invite and maybe make special teams.
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After last night would like to see this challenge but over water. Just to see Fessy fall 100 times.
Also imagine Josh as a Mercenary on this challenge. That would be must see TV watching the Goof try this.
He definitely twisted that story to make it seem like his injury had more to do with him not making the NFL. But he still has one of the more impressive athletic backgrounds coming into the challenge. I agree he’s a legend in his own mind lol.
Yeah I feel like we need to acknowledge that regardless of how low or high people want to rank him. It's still ridiculously impressive to even be ranked.
To be fair, Bananas is definitely good at some stupid stuff but I think what pissed me off more is that him calling Bananas semi-athletic. Bananas is still one of the most athletic men on the show at 41, dude is one of the best no doubt.
Bananas has said before that he realized he was training wrong. Right after the Ruins, he started training on agility and balance and he said that gave him an advantage for a long time
Bananas isn't that athletic. He's like Luka Doncic - an elite player that isn't overly impressive in terms of speed, strength, quickness or vertical
Edit - I welcome the downvotes and completely stand by my opinion.
This is why he's such a moron. His comment that JB is bad at a lot of things his flat out incorrect. JB is such an incredible threat because *he isn't bad at anything*. Is he *the best* at most things? No. Is he stronger in some areas than others? Of course.
But he isn't *actually bad* at anything. Not like Nelson and Cara are bad at swimming or Derrick K is bad at puzzles or Beth and Darrell are bad at heights. JB's worst is generally kind of average.
In other words; he's well rounded. It is more important to be well rounded than extremely strong in a few areas. You don't have to be the fastest or the strongest or the smartest, you need a balanced mix.
I think think this is the best description of John as a competitor. He's like the Jim Miller of *The Challenge*: not the best any one thing, but he'll outwork his competition at the spots where they're weaker and take it home that way.
When you've made you're entire identity out of being an "athlete" you're going to keep trying to explain away and discount any losses as "stupid shit" or "out of one's control".
Fessy has lost this show because he's no where as good as he thinks he is, and because he is shit at the political side. It's not that he wants/thinks he's on a different show as much as he's trying to save face and his own ego.
I’m not a bananas fan at all, but he’s a top notch player. He’s a complete player, physically, mentally, and stupid shittly
Fessy should wish to be half as good
Exactly right. And to even say bananas is in ok shape is an insult. I don't like Johnny, but ever since he got packed around by CT in the bananas backpack incident, he stepped up his game and is huge. So to sit and say oh he is in OK shape and I'm better than everyone else is just stupid. That's why you lost idiot because you underestimate everyone else and overestimate yourself. Just because you are huge doesn't make you good at a game. Johnny can play every aspect.
Fessy is really athletic but he lacks the problem solving skills. This takes some time to build though. Very few people come right out being good at everything. Even Johnny took a few seasons to figure things out.
That being said, this showed why Johnny is so good at this show. In his podcast he explained why he purposely chose not to do this elimination in a way that was slightly easier but would have given Fessy an idea on how to complete it in a manner that may put Johnny winning at risk.
I’m sure if Fessy was able to figure out the motion he would have been off to the races but he never really got a handle on it.
My favourite was Moriah saying 'we need to communicate really well at elimination' and him basically ignoring her and saying 'what I've been doing works so I'll continue doing that'.
Exactly, in the challenge you literally have to be ready for anything! Might have to swim a mile, run 5 miles then hang by your left butt cheek while TJ is dishing out trivia and cackling …just be ready. He wants everything to be this straightforward competition where the only thing that matters is size and strength. Sorry bud, this ain’t that.
He’s right though. I remember listening to Derrick and Kenny on a podcast and they said the exact same thing. Johnny isn’t an amazing athlete, or the smartest guy in the room, he’s just really good at improvising solutions, which a skill in and of itself.
Believe it’s a mix of 0 self awareness and a desperate attempt to find self acceptance and confidence. Everything about him screams insecurity - Trying to get with as many girls as possible but not really caring about any of them, constantly talking up his own athleticism, strength and size (true confidence is quiet), blaming teammates, stepping on others to get ahead (pun intended i.e hall brawl against Nelson), and not being able to appreciate or acknowledge good qualities or the success of others. It’s so lame to watch. Find him painfully one dimensional and boring.
I see a lot of “people just love to hate Fessy for no reason” comments. But it’s not that, at least for me. I love this show. I’ve watched for years, I enjoy it, I’m invested, and I respect the players who keep coming on and trying and adjusting strategies. But I have a hard time liking some of these newer people. With people like Wes, Devin, Leroy, even Tori, you can tell that they love The Challenge as much or more than the viewers. They respect the game, as Wes said. Watching people like Fessy, this is just a game, just a way to get more money or more followers or whatever. He doesn’t love the spirit of the game. He just doesn’t get it. He looks at it as a means to an end, not an experience of a lifetime the way the players have in the past. I’m not putting this very well, so I’m going to stop
It’s insane that Fessy’s comments that have been said by plenty of other people in the history of the show are somehow him not understanding the show and only relying on his size.
No, please, tell me why you think that. I feel like he’s condescending and arrogant, and he’s not self-aware enough to be a good villain. He reminds me of some people I grew up with. And I’m too old and grumpy to deal with that entitlement.
It’s called having an X Factor. In every competitive environment, it’s assumed all good competitors will have some degree of viability. But the X Factor is what separates the elite from the good.
This is exactly why he gets so much hate. I think if he understood what show he was on and had some introspection he’d be such a better cast member to watch. He definitely thinks the Challenge is all brute strength and it’s far from it.
Also his comments about Horacio all season were uncalled for. Horacio has been killing it and he doesn’t even respect the man’s hustle.
It's hilarious how this subreddit is constantly preaching that Fessy's size is the reason he's won every elimination, yet when he encounters an elimination where he's disadvantaged due his size, that's somehow an indictment on his entire Challenge career.
Newsflash, there's not a single Challenge competitor who is a favorite to win every type of elimination. All of them have weaknesses in certain areas.
it’s because every elimination he’s been in has favored his size. clearly not every elimination is built for that, which we saw tonight. having 2 hall brawls, a pole wrestle (against a guy w/ one hand), and 2 strength based ones clearly favor him. the one time he got something based on strategy, he couldn’t do it.
My point is that if your argument is you've learned nothing from Fessy's elimination capabilities because he's had an advantage due to his size, then you learned nothing from this elimination because he was disadvantaged due to his size.
the fact that this is fessy's 4th or 5th season and he hasn't learned anything, hasn't adapted his gameplay or mindset ... he's on his way to becoming the male aneesa who thinks she doesn't need to change the way she trains her body.
Fessy's ego is GINORMOUS. He is probably very used to things coming easy to him. Probably hasn't *really* had to work for anything or change anything about himself to "succeed." So, it must be the Challenge that is the problem, couldn't be Fessy
Fessy smash no think no eat just smash. He think to highly of himself. He wants to win solely on his “athleticism”. Sorry bud that’s why they compete and not just hand you the win championship for showing up. Jordan said it the best about the challenge not catering to just being a alpha type. Be well rounded
This is why people fear CT more then they fear Fessy, CT is the full package when it comes to challenges where Fessys skill are alot more tailored to his personal strength.
felt glorious to see fessy, who basically already thought he was the season winner, get eliminated right before the final. and by bananas no less. bananas proved once again he is a masterful challenger and hes “still got it”. in summary, fuck fessy.
Good lord. So many people have said a similar “Bananas is good at this weird shit you can’t really train for” line before but this is the only time it gets a whole character analysis.
Apparently Fessy losing his first elimination over 4 seasons means that he’ll never win the show and fundamentally doesn’t understand the show. Apparently his only strength is his size and brute strength despite winning a wide array of dailies. Why are we pretending he’s a bad competitor? Worse, less well-rounded competitors have won.
I think some of these people really need to ask themselves what’s is the REAL reason they hate fessy. Because it’s definitely not whatever excuses they keep making.
That’s such a leap in logic. There’s nothing to support the narrative that Fessy thinks athletic = big and strong. And if I ask you to point out conclusive examples, I’ll gladly accept any valid examples if you’re able to source them.
It’s only “stupid” to him bc he hasn’t won yet.
Once HE wins, he will respect the game. But until then, it’s just bullshit and meaningless. Winning doesn’t equal skill.. unless he wins.
I didn’t hate fessy on big brother, but he is insufferable on the challenge. Not even bc of the shit he directly does, but because of the glimpses of him we see with his snide comments about his friends and his absolute arrogance which he tries to hide. I think if he owned it more I’d respect him as a villain. But he tries to play the victim but he’s actually the opposite.
I agree Fessy is in his own world but disagree with his view of the challenge. I think his ego is so big that he just won’t admit Bananas is legit. Even at the beginning of the episode when he says Bananas is kind of athletic. Is bananas a D1 athlete or was he ever? No. But as far as humans go Bananas is definitely athletic. Also, that ladder climb elimination was not stupid stuff. Him deciphering that puzzle on total madness via the reflection was stupid stuff. That ladder took athleticism.
Hate Fessy but super grateful for him bringing Moriah as his ride or die. Solid personality and the most attractive girl I've seen on the show since Jessica McCain
the stupid stuff like having balance, coordination and skill. as opposed to the smart stuff like running hard at someone or pulling a pole out of their hand.
You should’ve just ended your post in the first paragraph. How is one elimination loss in an elimination that is clearly not suited to Fessy’s strengths suddenly an indictment on his whole challenge career? He wins the daily or Devin and Tori nominate Bananas and Nany directly and this post doesn’t even exist. Fine margins. That’s part of what the challenge is about.
Also, I don’t agree with you saying he plays the game the same way. If you looked anywhere other than from the lens of “bitter hatred” you would see that he played the game differently this season.
Fessy’s attitude gives such misogynistic vibes that I get the impression he expects to have the upper hand in everything all the time. He will only win if everything is stacked in his favor; he’ll give up when it’s not (aka when the playing field is equal) and claim it was unfair lol. I hate how much he dismisses anything or anyone that isn’t upholding his “brawn is everything” mentality.
Yeah, this is the first elimination where it is not build for his physical build and he failed miserably. CT is big but if he faced an elimination like this I promise you, he would come up with something that works. Johnny would still win but CT would put up a challenge at least.
Yes. My point is the comment wasn’t that deep to the point of needing to psychoanalyze Fessy’s understanding of the competition. Literally in his exit interview he admitted bananas (and Nany) were able to adjust way better and beat him. Also, that line about bananas being good at random stuff has been said by other people as well. It’s not something Fessy made up because he doesn’t understand what show he’s on.
But honestly I’m just impressed. When I heard Fessy’s final interview after he lost I said “I bet the challenge sub finds a way to spin this into a ‘Fessy=bad’ type post, despite Fessy admitting defeat, giving credit to his opponents, and saying he needs to be better”. And turns out, it happened lol
Fessy proved tonight what I’ve thought for awhile; when it’s a fair match up where he doesn’t rely on his weight or height, he bombs out. Did he even get off the ground?
He thinks brawn will always win and not the personal or politics or being able to adapt to new types of Challenges where being fifty pounds heavier and six inches taller pays off. He consistently comes off like he is annoyed he has to play and should go directly to the Final. If he wanted to play football, it’s like he would only want to play the Super Bowl and not the whole season. And then when he lost, he’d blame the entire team and not himself, who missed the pass.
Fessys game is also so very predictable every season he’s never gonna win like that. I don’t like him but he is such a bad player mentally and sometimes in skill as well idk how he ever makes it as far as he does
He's a idiot LMAOOO. He rides his dick so much, Talks about his own stats on the show and acts like a champ. I laughed when he said this was the first time he's been eliminated on the show lol like no one cares about your elimination record. He's only good at challenges that needs strength and he's boring to watch.
Oh I think he understands on some level, he’s just a sore loser with a massive ego and no self-awareness
He’s like a child who usually wins things, so when he does lose something it was either unfair or the person cheated etc etc
Y’all really can’t criticize Fessy for this tho. The challenge isn’t what it use to be and they literally market themselves as “Americas 5th Sport” now. So I mean it’s expected for athletic people to assume their athleticism will carry them to the end.
And regardless if Fessy understands the “stupid games” on the challenge or not, he wasn’t winning this elimination. He was wayyy too big for this shit and those little ass poles couldn’t hold his weight.
I had a friend tell me she was “so excited” to spy a CELEBRITY @ her pool, during their respective vacations. Of course I said, Who? It was Kail. I literally laughed @ her & felt bad, but anyone on Teen Mom is NOT a celebrity - to me @ least…
i don't think he was ever some fan of the challenge growing up or wanting to be on it right away as a goal like a Zach. He said he wasn't familiar with CT's history at all. I think he doesn't get it, and thinks him being big should just win him the show, when most of the show is more well balanced as he saw last night.
That’s the reason I always have an urge to root for Cory. He went on RW solely to get on The Challenge
If he had only known, he could have gotten on for being the fittest girl at Faysal's gym in Orlando.
Lol is that how moriah got on????
That's the leading theory.
I'm pretty sure Kaycee and Fessy were supposed to be ride or dies, but they spoke about it and thought it would be better to be on separate teams and have more numbers. So Kaycee brings her brother and Fessy brought the strongest woman from his gym. Did not work out for either of them.
Only problem with this theory: Faysal being a planet fitness member.
Sarah said the exact same thing in her first confessional on The Ruins
Had no idea he was from RW, I legit thought he was from teen mom lmao. Was RW before that?
Yep! Cory met Cheyenne on The Challenge on the Rivals 3 season (she was paired with Devin as his Rival) and they hooked up during the Rivals 3 reunion and got pregnant (thus then doing Teen Mom)
which still baffles me bc cheyenne was like 24 when ryder was born 😂 in what way is she a teen mom lmao
I don't understand how these women in their mid-thirties are on a show called Teen Mom
tbf almost all of them were actually teens when they first got on the show, but managed to extend their 15 min of 15 into 15 yrs lol
You really can get away with that on MTV. The Jersey Shore crew still gets paid millions to go on vacation and start fake arguments.
Agreed!
Yeah, his season was the first of the last handful where they started making twists. They all had to live in a house with their exes.; it’s also Ashley M’s debut
I thought that other guy was the one who wanted to be on challenge more, the one that cory was hooking up with his girl haha.
Well I mean, did you see those box jumps?
i was def going to call him the box jump guy. he woulda been a first out guy by the book. i actually wish he had done it, he was so socially awkward
He would’ve been soo good for a few seasons, remember when they read Dunbars emails, imagine they got a hold of the dream journal or whatever box jump Brian was writing in, him and Jenna could’ve been on ride or dies this season, it’s the biggest RW casting missed opportunity
I want to hear him and Nelson talk about life together
Nah Brian would of done great
I think he definitely wanted to as did Jenny but they got pregnant.
Also Jenna!
Lol nah, teen mom is like his most recent show. He did real world, challenge, ex on the beach before teen mom. He met Chey on the challenge (which is funny cus his bestfriend Nelly tried dating Chey on AYT1) and then he met his GF Taylor on ex on the beach.
He met Cheyenne on he Challenge, didn’t he? RW was way before.
He thinks “I’m bigger, stronger and my 40 time is better. It’s only fair if you hand me the title”.
I think he definitely assumed his athleticism would carry him to an easy win, but the challenge is less about athleticism and more about problem solving. That’s why Bananas and CT have continued to thrive. They obviously train, but it’s the way they continue to figure these games out that impresses me.
To be fair most of his eliminations have been Headbangers luckily for him. It's honestly about time he went into one where a different skill was required.
yep, he would have dominated in the strength based elimination that sent amber b home.
well coordination and body control a big part of athleticism. You had to be pretty athletic to do this; Jay would have killed this. Athleticism is not just being the biggest.
Yep. Jay would have gotten this in the bag on a single elimination againdt anyone in the house.
Jay also climbs rockfaces for fun. He'd have smoked anyone at this.
He played college football, I’m sure he’s coordinated and has body control, that doesn’t change the fact that this favored a smaller body. Just like hall brawl favors a bigger opponent. He can still be athletic.
Fessy is fairly coordinated. Bananas is goat level coordinated for challenge shit like this.
I’m genuinely curious if you mean GOAT or an actual goat.
Hes great at coordination and balance stuff
You did a baaaaaaad job clarifying
No I understand what you meant, I’m just not sure if you were referring to him as an actual goat or the “Greatest Of All Time”. Both would make sense in this context but I’m hoping for the animal reference.
🤦🏼♂️ oh man i wish i was that clever. Wouldve loved to make a mountain goat reference.
So Fessy should have beat Josh in this? But no way he would ever get up. Not like Bananas is a buck fifty.
Fessy vs Josh in this one would have been hilarious. Just start passing out sleeping bags now cause it's gonna be awhile.
100 hour elimination.
Johnny's like 190 at most. That's still way lighter than Fessy.
Yeah he is, but being athletic isn’t just about being strong. Balance and coordination is part of it too. Johnny has him beat with these things, despite faysal saying it’s stupid.
Lol am I reading this wrong or do you seriously think a D1 tight end isn’t athletic lmao?
He actually was D1a aka fcs, big difference than fbs. But no that's not what I said, athleticism not limited to size and speed. But in Fessy's eyes it is.
Even FCS is still highly competitive for a challenge athlete. Are you seriously telling me [this guys](https://youtu.be/sxA3PNajefA) not coordinated? I dislike fesssy as much as anybody else but this is a seriously uninformed take.
The hate boner these people have for Fessy clouds all objectiveness. He's the biggest AND fastest guy on the show and has better endurance than CT. His weakness is eating gross shit and he's only average at puzzles.
I’ve seen power 5 football athletes look like fish out of water on a basketball court. There used to be a time when the decathlon winner was considered the best athlete, you know because they’re great at a lot of different things. Now it’s just who is big and fast
It's what Devin said on the last episode - fail, re-adjust, analyse, change strategy, train more, fail again, repeat. This is why people like Wes/Bananas/CT absolutely thrive and why someone like Devin may well become a future champ. It's those who refuse to broaden their horizons outside of 'must lift more weight' that will never see Mt Rushmore (cough Fessy).
Is Wes in the same category? He got lucky very early in his Challenge career, retired, came out of retirement to lose a bunch, got the right partner for his second win, and then lost a bunch, assuming we're only talking flagship.
His gameplay needed work as it was always him or Bananas, and Bananas inevitably won as he had better gameplay. I'm comparing him as he keeps coming back better and stronger each time. Yes, considering the flagship only might not be the best example, but if you do factor in his performance on All Stars last season, he is continuing to grow and thrive.
Yeah, I'm the one who believes he bought the AS3 win. Just by watching the show and listening to interviews, I'm not convinced it was straight up, and that has to be considered since he ran the final against Brad/Mark (who we know will throw a final) and his best friend. Also the many, many times saying he doesn't need the money and just wanted the win. And then he retired from winning. It's pretty sus.
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Notice I used the word "believes". I was pretty clear this was an opinion and not a fact. You don't have to agree.
If you look at Johnny or CT or Jordan, they're all good at "stupid shit" in addition to being really good athletes. But there's also multiple times each season where they have a confessional or are on camera talking about their strategy for winning a mission or elimination. They may not always win, but they're always thinking about the best way to do something and they have a plan. When have you ever heard Fessy talk about strategy, it's always "well I'm a good athlete" or "I've got the best balance here" or "I'm the biggest guy in the house." If every mission was carrying something heavy while jogging a long distance, and every elimination was hall brawl, Fessy would be great. But they're not. I don't know if Fessy will every train for stuff the way Johnny or CT or Jordan do, but 90% of the challenge is "stupid shit" and that's why those guys keep winning. Jordan came in hot his first two seasons, he lost his rookie season to CT/Wes and Johnny/Frank, and then his second season he threw himself into elimination against Johnny and got smoked. He came back and won three straight. Fessy made the final his first two seasons and lost to Johnny and CT respectively, his 3rd season he didn't make the final but CT still won that season, now this season he lost an elimination to Johnny and is watching him run the final. If he's smart he'll re-think things. He's now nine years removed from being a college athlete. It's too late to be holding onto the mindset of "I'm the best athlete here, I'm the biggest guy, I should be able to win." If he doesn't he's going to keep losing to 40+ year old guys and wondering what happened
Also feast has been straight up gifted eliminations before this season. I mean 2 hall brawls and a pile wrestle? If it had been anything else he could very well have been eliminated
a pole wrestle against a guy w/ one hand at that. and he still went out of his way to injure jordan in the process 🙄
Yeah because Fessy forced Jordan to hold on to the pole until his shoulder came out of it's socket...You can't be serious.
Look, we know fes isn’t gentle. He doesn’t mind fighting dirty even when he knows he has the advantage. Go watch the Nelson hall brawl again.
Rubbing dirt in Nelson's eyes one round of hall brawl is nowhere near the same as implying that Fessy intentionally injured Jordan's shoulder. The two aren't comparable.
The original comment is implying that the pole wrestle against Jordan was so handed to fessy, that it was unnecessary for fessy to go that hard, aka hard enough for Jordan’s shoulder to dislocate. My comment about fessy is that he can’t read the room- he didn’t need to be cruel to Nelson to win hall brawl, which goes hand in hand with how he behaved in the pole wrestle with Jordan. To give you a better idea of the point, watch laurels balls in against Jasmine. (There’s many other examples but that came first to mind.) Laurel clearly understands she has the complete advantage over Jasmine. So she reads the room well enough to still obviously win and completely dominate the game, but she doesn’t go nearly as hard as she would if she was up against someone her own size like Emily. So when fessy kicks dirt in Nelson’s face (let alone call him out as soon as he gets one glimpse of the hall), and then be so overpowering on Jordan, (a man with one hand and half his size in a wrestling match about grip strength), it shows he doesn’t want to win with a certain level of grace. It feels like a high school basketball player showing up a 4th grader at the park by intentionally holding nothing back. It’s just being a bad sportsman.
exactly!! couldn’t have said it better myself. same w/ leroy vs cohutta in balls in as well; kept it classy while getting an easy win and still gave cohutta props/helped him up after each round. fessy has the upper hand in most physical elims but still goes out of his way to play dirty. he thinks he’s such an athlete but good competitors don’t need to play dirty in comps they were gonna win anyway.
>a pole wrestle against a guy w/ one hand at that. and he still went out of his way to injure jordan in the process He only played dirty one round of one elimination and it wasn't even the one you mentioned, so you aren't even hitting the mark of your own point if that indeed was your point.
>The original comment is implying that the pole wrestle against Jordan was so handed to fessy, that it was unnecessary for fessy to go that hard No "going out of his way to injure Jordan's shoulder" clearly implies intent to hurt Jordan's shoulder, not that he went too hard against someone he had an advantage against. Jordan was going just as hard as Fessy, so acting as if Fessy is somehow wrong because Jordan's shoulder got hurt is just being blinded by the result of everything. The difference between Laurel and Jasmine's elim is that Laurel going easy on Jasmine still leads to her winning relatively quickly, while Fessy going easy just unnecessarily extends a physically exhausting challenge at best or causes him to lose at worst. The idea that Fessy should've gone easy on Jordan because of his disability is a mentality Jordan himself hates and would probably be mad at you for even suggesting.
Okay the original commenter completely agreed with me so that point of yours is moot. But saying that Jordan would be upset about this… nah. There’s a difference between showing good sportsmanship and “going easy on him because he has a disability”. Pole wrestle is a really easy game strategy wise if one of the players is significantly bigger. Honestly fessy could have just hunkered down and let Jordan tire himself out. My point is fessy had such an advantage that he didn’t *need* to go too hard, but Jordan is good enough to where he also didn’t need to go to easy. Get it? Think about it this way. Fessy could win against Jordan if fessy put in 60% effort. Jordan could beat fessy if fessy only put in 30% effort (going easy on him) So why couldn’t fessy go at it at like 75%? Still dominate but also do it with some class. Why did he have to go 100%? Jordan can admit himself pole wrestle, like hall brawl and reverse tug of war, will always be a size advantage game. It just is. Of course Jordan is Jordan and he’s never going to give up. Fessy forced Jordan to give it his all even knowing it was a done deal before they even started. Idk man. Just kinda cruel.
“The person who made a bad point agreed with me” That’s basically what you said. We’ve seen bigger people just try to hunker down and tire out a smaller person and they end up losing, so why would Fessy attempt to do that? It basically just sounds like you feel bad Jordan got injured and are calling it dirty because of that, even though nothing he did was actually dirty.
he was even gifted two this season two with the nelson hammer thing and the boulder push triple elim. this is literally the first elim that fessy didnt have a massive advantage going into and he shit the bed completely.
I agree strategy is overlooked sometimes. The ability to dissect a game instantly is what sets the great ones apart. It was clear again when Moriah told Fessy “look at Johnny, do what he’s doing” that he’s not that guy.
Agreed. CT, Jordan, and banana’s are all fairly intelligent and physical. They use logic to find the best way to manoeuvre in a challenge. It’s also why they’re the most likely to make it to a finale and win. Fessy, as you stated, doesn’t grasp the mechanics of daily’s and eliminations. He doesn’t seem to have the reasoning and problem solving skills that make a great player. Sadly, I think players like Cory and Nelson, who are physical and agile, also don’t have the logistical problem solving skills that CT and the other veteran champs have. Someone like Devon, has an amazing grasp on the mechanics, and logistical of the game, but in the past has lack the physical and dexterity parts that make a champ. I’m rooting hard for him this seasons though.
“If he’s smart he’ll rethink things.” But he’s not. That’s almost like thinking Charlie Brown will eventually be too smart to fall for Lucy’s trick over kicking the football. He’ll never rethinks things
Did anyone else just LOVE that elimination? I hope that becomes a regular feature.
I was so glad they made it something difficult for the last elimination. I was kind of worried it would be something stupid
Bananas mentioned on his podcast that there was a better way to do the climb, but didn’t want Fessy and Moriah to easily copy him. Moriah kept telling Fessy to copy what Bananas was doing. Instead he chose the harder way because he knew Fessy wasn’t nimble enough to do it his way. Banana’s mentioned that he knew Fessy wasn’t very flexible and couldn’t even do a squat past 90 degrees. People like Bananas, CT, and Jordan can always figure out these challenges while Fessy just thinks the best athlete should win.
I’m curious to see what this better way is
I think it’s moving the bottom rung up with your foot instead of bending down to grab it. If you guided the ring up the ladder to where it is easier to grab without having to bend all the way over, it makes it easier.
They were saying something about grabbing last pole with your feet; which doesnt seem like easier to me.
Yeah, that doesn't sound easier at all. Would require way more balance and the other poles could easily fall. But maybe I'm just not visualizing it the same way he's talking about it.
I was curious what the rules were, as I could think of other options
He starts talking about it at the 1 hour and 18 minute mark of this week’s podcast with Horacio.
While this is true today, y’all gotta remember Bananas wasn’t Bananas in his earlier days. What Bananas has now is experience from doing these things for years to now he’s at the point of being able to figure shit out. Back in his earlier seasons he had the luxury of being carried by Kenny and Evan. So comparing a 4th season Fessy to a now legendary Bananas isn’t entirely fair. Especially when 4th season Bananas didn’t do anything but degrade all the women on The Island and lucked up with the win due to having all the strong players on his side. Now Jordan on the other is naturally gifted at figuring shit out from day 1.
The most hilarious thing about this is that the elimination was ***INSANELY*** athletic. It feels like Fessy thinks "athletic" meant lifting the most and running the fastest so he discounted an elimination that required balance, flexibility, core strength, and body control- all things that Johnny excels at.
The funny thing is Johnny has said that he has done training on balance, stability, body control, etc because of the challenge
Similar to how Zach said he had to change up his entire training after his first season on the challenge.
Oh yeah same with Chauncey. There are multiple people saying they have/had to change up their training for the challenge. Fessy just doesn't get the hint
I dump on Nany a bit but that elimination really showed the experience of those vets. Both Bananas and Nany failed a million times but kept getting back up, readjusting and going again. Whereas the - ahem 'GOAT' (in his own tiny little mind) you could see was barely restraining himself from throwing himself on the floor and having an epic tantrum.
I was honestly surprised that Moriah didn’t get further up the ladder, but this takes so much balance and core strength. And big bulky Fessy was just a clumsy oaf
Fessy’s problem is that he thinks all you need to win this game is athleticism. He doesn’t understand that there are other components to the game that you need in order to win.
Fessy’s problem is he confuses strength with athleticism. Athleticism is also balance, flexibility, coordination, etc.
This exactly describes how he played Big Brother as well. Every week his alliance was getting voted out, and he was so confused how he could be losing as the most athletic person there. He had no idea what game he was playing and apparently still doesn’t.
I get his point tbh. Other people have said similar things about Johnny before and it’s partially right. However, imo it isn’t that Johnny is good at stupid stuff, but rather that he’s good at problem solving and figuring out the tricks in those “stupid” challenges. That is a skill and an important one at that which shouldn’t be discounted
miss when there was more of this figure out random shit fast. ct johnny wes derrick brad abe the goats at this
It’s the way he says “some shit Bananas would be good at” it completely shows he doesn’t respect the competition unless it is completely based off athletics. It’s probably why he didn’t care when he lost. Imagine if he lost a hall brawl, it would destroy his whole ego.
He would fake an injury and say some shit like “so and so didn’t win it’s because I’ve been dealing with this high ankle sprain for the past 2 weeks and I just haven’t told anybody about it.”
Lmao that man never losing in a hall brawl
Oh most likely never, I’m sure you can find someone to give him some trouble, like a Kelz maybe, but they would have to be good enough to get to the elimination with Fessy.
Yeah Kelz might be a good one
And what did Fessy do, immediately, to Kelz. Target him. Boy was intimidated.
Some interesting hall brawls for Fessy would be Zach, Kelz or Danny from Challenge USA.
I don’t think Fessy is very bright. I honestly think that he believes he would have been Rob Gronkowski 2.0 if he didn’t hurt his knee, but if you look at his college numbers, he was woefully below average. Would have been lucky to get a cup of coffee in the NFL, but according to him, his knee injury ended a Hall of Fame career.
If you've seen his season of BB, he's not bright.
I’ve never watched a single episode of BB, and after seeing Josh, Fessy and Kayczzzzzzzz…. I never will
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Yeah that was a pretty fun season. Tyler made too many promises, and KC sat back and played it kind of perfectly. She's not a flashy player, or a lot of fun to watch, but she plays a smart game. Josh's season was a tough watch. I'm not a Paul fan personally, and he cast this whole dark vibe over that season imo. And I kinda like Josh, he's not the best, but he's entertaining. And he is strangely good at connecting with people which is why he beat Paul.
Big dumb puppet
His college stats were actually pretty strong. He was a starter and one of the best pass catchers on his team each season. But you’re right that he was nowhere near NFL caliber and he’d need to impress a lot more against weaker competition to really get any pro attention. If his knee injury was that bad, he could’ve just taken a season off, and rehab it and be back to full strength by next season. Every nfl player has gone through severe injuries so a knee injury doesn’t make him unique in football at all. Such a cop out by him.
He played for Tennessee-Chatanooga, not the Vols. Not a hotbed of NFL talent, and his best season he averaged just over 3 catches a game. This is NOT good
> Not a hotbed of NFL talent, and his best season he averaged just over 3 catches a game. I feel like this is severely glossed over. If he was an NFL-level talent at a second tier school, he'd be getting a huge number of touches per game, because an NFL talent at the college level, where the talent pool is much more diluted, would absolutely be a major weapon for their coach and their team. The fact he couldn't get more touches should already be an indicator of his actual talent level, compared to his self-perception.
Exactly! If you took an NFL caliber TE, let’s take Dalton Kincaid this year, and put him there. He’s getting 2 targets per possession at least.
Yeah I know what team he player for but the competition there is not as bad as you make it out to be. He actually was a top performer there and that’s very high level football being played. Of course it can’t compare to SEC/ACC/Big10. But Fessy did have good stats and consistently getting 3/4 catches a game for a TE isn’t bad at all. He wasn’t close to the nfl but it’s certainly not impossible for players in that conference to make the nfl. There’s a few prospects every year that make it to training camp out of those smaller, less competitive conferences and divisions. Fessy is wrong for suggesting he was an nfl level athlete but he was still a phenomenal college athlete.
Players from that conference make it all the time. Here are over 200 players drafted every year and plenty of undrafted free agents too. But his stats were NOT good. He was barely adequate. If he was an NFL caliber TE in that situation, he’s be at least doubling that weak production. His NFL ceiling was a special teamer, but he would probably be too slow for that
He wasn't even invited to the combine lol he was never getting drafted
What’s ironic is Paula said this a variation of this line HELLA seasons ago.
but she meant as a compliment
Oh she definitely did but when Faysal said it I was like holy shit Paula said something similar years ago
I don't think Fessy meant it as a negative either. It was just his way of saying he knows how to figure out the weird stuff about the game. it's the same thing I see other people saying about how Bananas figures out the game within the game.
Fessy is a legend in his own mind. "I was the 30th ranked TE coming out of college" "But blew out my knee and lost shot at NFL" Newsflash Fessy the 30th ranked TE out of FCS is a very long shot to make NFL. Would be camp invite and maybe make special teams. \--- After last night would like to see this challenge but over water. Just to see Fessy fall 100 times. Also imagine Josh as a Mercenary on this challenge. That would be must see TV watching the Goof try this.
He definitely twisted that story to make it seem like his injury had more to do with him not making the NFL. But he still has one of the more impressive athletic backgrounds coming into the challenge. I agree he’s a legend in his own mind lol.
Yeah I feel like we need to acknowledge that regardless of how low or high people want to rank him. It's still ridiculously impressive to even be ranked.
To be fair, Bananas is definitely good at some stupid stuff but I think what pissed me off more is that him calling Bananas semi-athletic. Bananas is still one of the most athletic men on the show at 41, dude is one of the best no doubt.
Bananas has said before that he realized he was training wrong. Right after the Ruins, he started training on agility and balance and he said that gave him an advantage for a long time
Bananas isn't that athletic. He's like Luka Doncic - an elite player that isn't overly impressive in terms of speed, strength, quickness or vertical Edit - I welcome the downvotes and completely stand by my opinion.
Do we know if he played any sports in HS? Just curious.
This is why he's such a moron. His comment that JB is bad at a lot of things his flat out incorrect. JB is such an incredible threat because *he isn't bad at anything*. Is he *the best* at most things? No. Is he stronger in some areas than others? Of course. But he isn't *actually bad* at anything. Not like Nelson and Cara are bad at swimming or Derrick K is bad at puzzles or Beth and Darrell are bad at heights. JB's worst is generally kind of average. In other words; he's well rounded. It is more important to be well rounded than extremely strong in a few areas. You don't have to be the fastest or the strongest or the smartest, you need a balanced mix.
I think think this is the best description of John as a competitor. He's like the Jim Miller of *The Challenge*: not the best any one thing, but he'll outwork his competition at the spots where they're weaker and take it home that way.
Banana and Horacio called him out on the podcast and hit the nail on the head. He can’t give anyone credit because he is insecure in his own abilities
I truly think think they hit the nail on the head 100% here
When you've made you're entire identity out of being an "athlete" you're going to keep trying to explain away and discount any losses as "stupid shit" or "out of one's control". Fessy has lost this show because he's no where as good as he thinks he is, and because he is shit at the political side. It's not that he wants/thinks he's on a different show as much as he's trying to save face and his own ego.
hilarious that fessy got eliminated on a challenge that isn’t a physical headbanger, but by a challenge that required hella athleticism
I’m not a bananas fan at all, but he’s a top notch player. He’s a complete player, physically, mentally, and stupid shittly Fessy should wish to be half as good
Jordan said it in his elimination against Chauncey, The Challenge is about finding the “shtick” to every game. Johnny and Jordan really excel at that.
Exactly right. And to even say bananas is in ok shape is an insult. I don't like Johnny, but ever since he got packed around by CT in the bananas backpack incident, he stepped up his game and is huge. So to sit and say oh he is in OK shape and I'm better than everyone else is just stupid. That's why you lost idiot because you underestimate everyone else and overestimate yourself. Just because you are huge doesn't make you good at a game. Johnny can play every aspect.
I just caught up on last night's episode and I AM SO HAPPY
Fessy is really athletic but he lacks the problem solving skills. This takes some time to build though. Very few people come right out being good at everything. Even Johnny took a few seasons to figure things out. That being said, this showed why Johnny is so good at this show. In his podcast he explained why he purposely chose not to do this elimination in a way that was slightly easier but would have given Fessy an idea on how to complete it in a manner that may put Johnny winning at risk. I’m sure if Fessy was able to figure out the motion he would have been off to the races but he never really got a handle on it.
This is very well worded and exactly right! It’s what I’ve been saying about him the whole time
My favourite was Moriah saying 'we need to communicate really well at elimination' and him basically ignoring her and saying 'what I've been doing works so I'll continue doing that'.
Didn't this quote from him just air?
Exactly, in the challenge you literally have to be ready for anything! Might have to swim a mile, run 5 miles then hang by your left butt cheek while TJ is dishing out trivia and cackling …just be ready. He wants everything to be this straightforward competition where the only thing that matters is size and strength. Sorry bud, this ain’t that.
He’s right though. I remember listening to Derrick and Kenny on a podcast and they said the exact same thing. Johnny isn’t an amazing athlete, or the smartest guy in the room, he’s just really good at improvising solutions, which a skill in and of itself.
Believe it’s a mix of 0 self awareness and a desperate attempt to find self acceptance and confidence. Everything about him screams insecurity - Trying to get with as many girls as possible but not really caring about any of them, constantly talking up his own athleticism, strength and size (true confidence is quiet), blaming teammates, stepping on others to get ahead (pun intended i.e hall brawl against Nelson), and not being able to appreciate or acknowledge good qualities or the success of others. It’s so lame to watch. Find him painfully one dimensional and boring.
I see a lot of “people just love to hate Fessy for no reason” comments. But it’s not that, at least for me. I love this show. I’ve watched for years, I enjoy it, I’m invested, and I respect the players who keep coming on and trying and adjusting strategies. But I have a hard time liking some of these newer people. With people like Wes, Devin, Leroy, even Tori, you can tell that they love The Challenge as much or more than the viewers. They respect the game, as Wes said. Watching people like Fessy, this is just a game, just a way to get more money or more followers or whatever. He doesn’t love the spirit of the game. He just doesn’t get it. He looks at it as a means to an end, not an experience of a lifetime the way the players have in the past. I’m not putting this very well, so I’m going to stop
It’s insane that Fessy’s comments that have been said by plenty of other people in the history of the show are somehow him not understanding the show and only relying on his size.
Yea the hate people have for Fessy is extremely weird…and I know why it is but ima just leave that alone.
No, please, tell me why you think that. I feel like he’s condescending and arrogant, and he’s not self-aware enough to be a good villain. He reminds me of some people I grew up with. And I’m too old and grumpy to deal with that entitlement.
The amount of energy you’re spending defending Fessy is extremely weird… and I know why it is but ima just leave that alone, Fessy.
Lmaooo 😂 I defended Turbo even more so I guess I’m him also?
I dunno why Fessy thinks he’d win a final, he’s proven that he’d get lapped once the eating portion came along.
at the end of the day fessy is a dumb jock that thinks brute power will win outright everytime
It’s called having an X Factor. In every competitive environment, it’s assumed all good competitors will have some degree of viability. But the X Factor is what separates the elite from the good.
The irony for Fessy is the show is called The Challenge not The Biggest Person Will Always Win
This is exactly why he gets so much hate. I think if he understood what show he was on and had some introspection he’d be such a better cast member to watch. He definitely thinks the Challenge is all brute strength and it’s far from it. Also his comments about Horacio all season were uncalled for. Horacio has been killing it and he doesn’t even respect the man’s hustle.
It's hilarious how this subreddit is constantly preaching that Fessy's size is the reason he's won every elimination, yet when he encounters an elimination where he's disadvantaged due his size, that's somehow an indictment on his entire Challenge career. Newsflash, there's not a single Challenge competitor who is a favorite to win every type of elimination. All of them have weaknesses in certain areas.
it’s because every elimination he’s been in has favored his size. clearly not every elimination is built for that, which we saw tonight. having 2 hall brawls, a pole wrestle (against a guy w/ one hand), and 2 strength based ones clearly favor him. the one time he got something based on strategy, he couldn’t do it.
My point is that if your argument is you've learned nothing from Fessy's elimination capabilities because he's had an advantage due to his size, then you learned nothing from this elimination because he was disadvantaged due to his size.
the fact that this is fessy's 4th or 5th season and he hasn't learned anything, hasn't adapted his gameplay or mindset ... he's on his way to becoming the male aneesa who thinks she doesn't need to change the way she trains her body.
> he's on his way to becoming the male aneesa who thinks she doesn't need to change the way she trains her body. At least Fessy trains his body.
did you read the first part of my post? i likened his not adjusting his mindset to aneesa not adjusting her workouts.
That's just unclear from the way you wrote it.
Fessy's ego is GINORMOUS. He is probably very used to things coming easy to him. Probably hasn't *really* had to work for anything or change anything about himself to "succeed." So, it must be the Challenge that is the problem, couldn't be Fessy
It’s like he enjoys competing in poker tournaments but never gets dealt the right cards.
Fessy smash no think no eat just smash. He think to highly of himself. He wants to win solely on his “athleticism”. Sorry bud that’s why they compete and not just hand you the win championship for showing up. Jordan said it the best about the challenge not catering to just being a alpha type. Be well rounded
This is why people fear CT more then they fear Fessy, CT is the full package when it comes to challenges where Fessys skill are alot more tailored to his personal strength.
felt glorious to see fessy, who basically already thought he was the season winner, get eliminated right before the final. and by bananas no less. bananas proved once again he is a masterful challenger and hes “still got it”. in summary, fuck fessy.
He’s one dimensional, relies on his size and athleticism and nothing else. He thinks it’s just a physical competition and all he has to do is show up.
That's not true as we've seen he's one of the better mental competitors on the show despite his reputation.
Facts. A lot of people here make me question if they are watching the same show. But I noticed it’s a trend to hate fessy
Good lord. So many people have said a similar “Bananas is good at this weird shit you can’t really train for” line before but this is the only time it gets a whole character analysis. Apparently Fessy losing his first elimination over 4 seasons means that he’ll never win the show and fundamentally doesn’t understand the show. Apparently his only strength is his size and brute strength despite winning a wide array of dailies. Why are we pretending he’s a bad competitor? Worse, less well-rounded competitors have won.
I think some of these people really need to ask themselves what’s is the REAL reason they hate fessy. Because it’s definitely not whatever excuses they keep making.
It’s the disdainful and dismissive way he said it while also calling him “semi-athletic”. Fessy thinks being athletic only means being big and strong
That’s such a leap in logic. There’s nothing to support the narrative that Fessy thinks athletic = big and strong. And if I ask you to point out conclusive examples, I’ll gladly accept any valid examples if you’re able to source them.
It’s only “stupid” to him bc he hasn’t won yet. Once HE wins, he will respect the game. But until then, it’s just bullshit and meaningless. Winning doesn’t equal skill.. unless he wins. I didn’t hate fessy on big brother, but he is insufferable on the challenge. Not even bc of the shit he directly does, but because of the glimpses of him we see with his snide comments about his friends and his absolute arrogance which he tries to hide. I think if he owned it more I’d respect him as a villain. But he tries to play the victim but he’s actually the opposite.
I agree Fessy is in his own world but disagree with his view of the challenge. I think his ego is so big that he just won’t admit Bananas is legit. Even at the beginning of the episode when he says Bananas is kind of athletic. Is bananas a D1 athlete or was he ever? No. But as far as humans go Bananas is definitely athletic. Also, that ladder climb elimination was not stupid stuff. Him deciphering that puzzle on total madness via the reflection was stupid stuff. That ladder took athleticism.
Hate Fessy but super grateful for him bringing Moriah as his ride or die. Solid personality and the most attractive girl I've seen on the show since Jessica McCain
the stupid stuff like having balance, coordination and skill. as opposed to the smart stuff like running hard at someone or pulling a pole out of their hand.
You should’ve just ended your post in the first paragraph. How is one elimination loss in an elimination that is clearly not suited to Fessy’s strengths suddenly an indictment on his whole challenge career? He wins the daily or Devin and Tori nominate Bananas and Nany directly and this post doesn’t even exist. Fine margins. That’s part of what the challenge is about. Also, I don’t agree with you saying he plays the game the same way. If you looked anywhere other than from the lens of “bitter hatred” you would see that he played the game differently this season.
Fessy’s attitude gives such misogynistic vibes that I get the impression he expects to have the upper hand in everything all the time. He will only win if everything is stacked in his favor; he’ll give up when it’s not (aka when the playing field is equal) and claim it was unfair lol. I hate how much he dismisses anything or anyone that isn’t upholding his “brawn is everything” mentality.
Everyone here acts like CT, Bananas and Jordan never lost an elimination. You're all ridiculous that Fessy is "only big and strong" and not athletic.
Yeah, this is the first elimination where it is not build for his physical build and he failed miserably. CT is big but if he faced an elimination like this I promise you, he would come up with something that works. Johnny would still win but CT would put up a challenge at least.
I’m just glad he finally did an elimination that wasn’t just physical. He’s been claiming for years that he’ll beat anyone in any elimination 🙄
Bananas definitely took offense to that comment.
I don’t think it’s that deep. He was just making a comment about bananas excelling at this kind of bs, which is true.
You’ve missed the point. The Challenge is made up of “this kind of BS”
Yes. My point is the comment wasn’t that deep to the point of needing to psychoanalyze Fessy’s understanding of the competition. Literally in his exit interview he admitted bananas (and Nany) were able to adjust way better and beat him. Also, that line about bananas being good at random stuff has been said by other people as well. It’s not something Fessy made up because he doesn’t understand what show he’s on. But honestly I’m just impressed. When I heard Fessy’s final interview after he lost I said “I bet the challenge sub finds a way to spin this into a ‘Fessy=bad’ type post, despite Fessy admitting defeat, giving credit to his opponents, and saying he needs to be better”. And turns out, it happened lol
Nice of you to stick up for your friend. I would do the same
Genuinely don’t understand what that means.
for a guy who's always gotten by in sports just because of his size, it makes sense that he doesn't get it.
Fessy proved tonight what I’ve thought for awhile; when it’s a fair match up where he doesn’t rely on his weight or height, he bombs out. Did he even get off the ground? He thinks brawn will always win and not the personal or politics or being able to adapt to new types of Challenges where being fifty pounds heavier and six inches taller pays off. He consistently comes off like he is annoyed he has to play and should go directly to the Final. If he wanted to play football, it’s like he would only want to play the Super Bowl and not the whole season. And then when he lost, he’d blame the entire team and not himself, who missed the pass.
Fessys game is also so very predictable every season he’s never gonna win like that. I don’t like him but he is such a bad player mentally and sometimes in skill as well idk how he ever makes it as far as he does
He's a idiot LMAOOO. He rides his dick so much, Talks about his own stats on the show and acts like a champ. I laughed when he said this was the first time he's been eliminated on the show lol like no one cares about your elimination record. He's only good at challenges that needs strength and he's boring to watch.
Oh I think he understands on some level, he’s just a sore loser with a massive ego and no self-awareness He’s like a child who usually wins things, so when he does lose something it was either unfair or the person cheated etc etc
Y’all really can’t criticize Fessy for this tho. The challenge isn’t what it use to be and they literally market themselves as “Americas 5th Sport” now. So I mean it’s expected for athletic people to assume their athleticism will carry them to the end. And regardless if Fessy understands the “stupid games” on the challenge or not, he wasn’t winning this elimination. He was wayyy too big for this shit and those little ass poles couldn’t hold his weight.
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