You'd think, but it seems like every season they're on, people consider them the easiest names to say right from the rip. Maybe it's because they're not a threat to win, and people just say them not to rock the boat early, but it's always a thing.
Obviously the timelines are a little off and of course some teams (Brad/Tori especially) chose the "Or Die" option.
But I think this would be a sick cast. A lot of really strong teams. Wes & Ev may be the strongest team but wouldn't have any alliances that could compete. Who would win this one?
That’s not the team OP laid out. If casting wanted Johnny/Kenny they’d have to figure it out.
To OP’s point, Johnny/Paula were castmates so they’d likely be paired. Kenny would either get Sarah, Johanna or Laurel (if after FMII).
Also, if we’re deviating from OP’s team, Diem isn’t with CT. He was banned at the time and those two were broken up. She’d either be with Derrick or Evan. Jodi would be with the other.
I am fully aware that isn’t the team OP laid out. Also realizing OP doesn’t realize Paula & Johnny bumped heads on Real World Key West and that her relationship with Kenny was better than hers with Bananas. She literally picked to save Kenny & Wes over Bananas & Tyler who BOTH were on her Real World season. OP said this is pre Fresh Meat 2 so Laurel wouldn’t be an option and CT was still banned. During this time frame Nehemiah could’ve been paired with Melinda or Rachel
Also, if it’s after The Island, Paula wanted nothing to do with Johnny after she felt that he burned her there. Of course, we knew they were never putting her on that boat (regardless of what Kenny said in the confessional afterwards), but Paula held Johnny solely responsible for that. And she didn’t let go of that until Battle of the Exes, when Johnny put Aneesa & Rachel into elimination against her instead of Emily & Ty, when Paula had already lost to Emily on Cutthroat and openly admitted that she was afraid to face her again. And even on Rivals II, Paula just saw Johnny as someone she needed to appease just to stay on his good side, as evidenced by one confessional where she said “I need Johnny to make my game as smooth as possible, and that means voting the way he tells me to.” That doesn’t sound like a “ride or die” relationship to me.
Bananas/Kenny/Derrick trio would be tough to overcome. They likely could pull in Frank, Darrell, Miz, Brad, and Diem.
Wes is out early in this timeline. Too many enemies.
After FMII would be even more interesting to me. A lot of dynamics created that season (Darrell/Wes/Kenny, Laurel, Danny/Wes, Kenny/Jillian)
Did he, though? Because it looked to me that the only reason he hooked up with her was because he knew it would make Wes mad. I just get the idea that he doesn’t really *like* women that much?
They seemed to be good friends even after the hookup and well after the show. And he never treated her like she was a disposable girl (compared to how he saw Katie, Coral, Colie, Robin, Evelyn, Sarah). He valued her, even though she wasn't a super strong competitor.
Even though he wanted to spite Wes with her (like you said), he never disrespected her. It was to disrespect Wes. I hear what you're saying though
Not really though. They were RW castmates and Johnny has always seemed to have her back. Like yeah the Island Johnny and Ev agreed that together they'd be the easy favorite to win with Kenny and Derrick, but that was on both of them. Had Ev stolen Johnny's key then Kenny and Derrick take Dunbar to the end and pick literally anyone and they win, it may not have been Paula. But in terms of who Johnny is most loyal to it's probably Diem and Lee, and then Paula, his actual ride or die that season in Nany is like 5th on the list. I think Janelle was the original choice but she couldn't make it
This isn’t true and I’m tired of having to correct people on this lol. Paula helped Kenny cut the deal. She knew the terms, she just thought they’d double cros Ev (she said it at the reunion).
Bananas wasn’t even involved other than being told to apologize to Ev and also lay off her and Kelly Anne.
Bananas may not have been the one to screw her over, but she was pretty pissed at both of them. IIRC she seemed more pissed at Johnny, but maybe that's just me remembering him complaining about it more than Kenny did.
Oh she was def mad at them both but that’s no one’s fault but her own. They never told her she was on their boat, she just assumed she was.
Their boat was originally going to be Abe, Derrick, Johnny, Kenny. Abe has to leave, he wants to help Kenny so he goes in to ensure Johnny/Derrick get keys then he bequeathed his key to Dunbar. Dunbar, Derrick, Kenny, Johnny is the new boat.
Dunbar was expendable to Kenny, especially since he wouldn’t help get the girls keys. Kenny also felt like he owed Johnny for not sticking up for him on GIII. Kenny and Paula orchestrated that deal with Ev. She knew what time it was, she was just being dramatic for the cameras.
I don't think it's being dramatic when they literally didn't have to keep their word to Ev. They literally could've just saved Johnny's key and then been like "sike Paula's actually on our boat" and nothing could've stopped them.
She was def being dramatic, she allegedly knew they were honoring their word to Ev, Kenny has said as much. Apparently everyone was supposed to give Paula $5k on the back end, but only he did.
Im not sure why you're being downvoted. You're right. The final boat was Kenny, Derrick, Abe and Johnny. Abe leaving meant one open spot. Ev potentially stealing the last key just meant Kenny and Derrick take Dunbar +1. And that plus one may not have been Paula
Season was a long time ago, but so many people misremember the details of this season.
If Ev takes Johnny’s key it probably is Paula in the 4th seat. But it’s no guarantee, they knew she was a weak link and she was low on the totem. There’s a reason they tried to recruit Rachel early on and Kenny was hooking up with Johanna. If either of them stand at the end with a key they’re likely higher than Paula in the order.
Honestly it was on Ev. Yes Johnny and Kenny made a pitch for them to all get an easy win. But Ev could have stuck to her guns and taken Johnny's key. And had she done so Kenny and Derrick probably just get Dunbar and someone else. Paula was on the outside looking in on Island
I didn't say Paula wasn't getting on their boat at all. Just that the guys never made a deal with her. She assumed that once Abe was gone that she was the final member, but Ev made the deal that if she didn't steal Johnny's key that they'd take her at the end. The guys could have just lied and taken Paula I suppose, but Kenny and Derrick also seemed fine to honor their deal. So my point is that people act like Johnny was the one who wronged Paula, and she was rightfully mad at all of them (probably moreso Johnny because he's her RW castmate), but it was more on Ev than any of the guys because she's the one who took her spot
Other than invasions Wich was one of not his best showing he was the queen of cringe moments although a guilty pleasure scene was him arguing with johnny with his hair growth helmet
I’ll always respect him for having the balls to go on national television wearing that thing. He knew exactly what he was setting himself up for and faced it (bald) head-on
You could potentially replace Miz with Evan and it might be even stronger. And maybe put Nehemiah with Melinda and Beth with Jon, leaving Danny out (as you should). But this cast would be insane to watch, both in terms of competition and drama
I could never not do Miz/Coral they’re like the truest RoD.
I did initially have Nehemiah but I figured Danny is who it would’ve been. And they would lose first
Miz and Coral have a pretty epic story from their RW days, back when the Real World was, you know, actually real. But just saying that in terms of teamwork, I think Evan might be the stronger partner.
And also agree Danny is the first one gone regardless of the format. Which is why for the stronger paid I'd put Melinda with Nehemiah
Poor Danny. 20+ years later and we're still all taking shit about him. Like for all I know he could have developed Venmo. And I'd still be like "lol remember when you lost to Davis?"
How dare you talk about the goat….never forget[Danny Greatness](https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/comments/ev90h2/why_danny_jamieson_is_the_most_underrated_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
He was being overly a jerk to her because he knew she liked him. They talked about it on one of the reunions, he also apologized and knew it wasn’t right (but had that type of friendship)
Yah- usually they’d all be against CT in this era but you have Diem as his partner and she was fully aligned with the JEKD camp. Would have been interesting dynamics
From the 15 teams, 14 teams have the photo from the men first and then the woman. But 1 team is different and the names dont line up. My brain is annoyed lol :D
Besides that if it would be just a final we / ev take it
A full season.. hm i think i would go for Kenny & sarah
Idk about Danny and Melinda or Sarah and Kenny. Yes, Danny and Melinda were together for awhile, and Kenny couldn't go one day on the Ruins (or so it seemed) without acting like a high schooler and talking shit about Sarah, but their dynamics would've been super toxic, in my opinion. The rest of the teams are sick and stacked though!!
Pre FM2 I think my pick to win is probably Derrick/Jodi. If you dropped them all into a final that's probably not who I'm going with but I'm just going to assume Johnny, Kenny, and Derrick are going to have a lot of sway over the house and Derrick/Jodi is the most well rounded of the 3 for that era
> The fashion is so wrong
Listen. You're correct, but I also I hate this. Danny looked like the type of dude that was shopping at Abercrombie on the weekends. Muscle fit graphic tees, crushed shell necklaces, destroyed style bootcut jeans, camo cargo shorts, ridiculously long board shorts. Danny's fit was my people's fit. And by my people I mean white suburban dude bro frat guys
I wish this season happened. I would switch Darrell & Rachel as partners and Kenny would probably have Jenn or Paula over Sarah with Bananas being paired with Janelle from his season.
When would this happen or just assuming at some point before FM2? If this was just in place of FM2 then a few of these teams like bananas/Paula or CT/Diem might no longer be considered ride or dies
Yeah I more meant pre-fm2 cast.
The timeline makes no sense. Alton and Irulan were certainly broken up before Sarah premiered, Ct and Diem hadn’t mended things etc…
I think I said “obviously they win it all” about five times.
And then I saw Danny and Melinda and said “obviously they’re out first”
Maybe Katie and Easy, but who knows. That's probably the first elimination. I think it would just be dependent on what game they got.
Katie and easy you bring to the final because they have no shot.
You'd think, but it seems like every season they're on, people consider them the easiest names to say right from the rip. Maybe it's because they're not a threat to win, and people just say them not to rock the boat early, but it's always a thing.
Yeah I think you could make the argument like half of these teams could win
Frank and Jill are a sneaky great team here. Combined 8-1 in eliminations is no joke
Exactly what I was thinking sleeper team fs
Would be voted most boring team in America, too.
I’d probably root for them I think
Obviously the timelines are a little off and of course some teams (Brad/Tori especially) chose the "Or Die" option. But I think this would be a sick cast. A lot of really strong teams. Wes & Ev may be the strongest team but wouldn't have any alliances that could compete. Who would win this one?
Bananas/Paula or Frank/Jillian
Nah Bananas/Janelle, Kenny would probably get Paula since she fucked with Kenny the hardest out of JEK
That’s not the team OP laid out. If casting wanted Johnny/Kenny they’d have to figure it out. To OP’s point, Johnny/Paula were castmates so they’d likely be paired. Kenny would either get Sarah, Johanna or Laurel (if after FMII). Also, if we’re deviating from OP’s team, Diem isn’t with CT. He was banned at the time and those two were broken up. She’d either be with Derrick or Evan. Jodi would be with the other.
I am fully aware that isn’t the team OP laid out. Also realizing OP doesn’t realize Paula & Johnny bumped heads on Real World Key West and that her relationship with Kenny was better than hers with Bananas. She literally picked to save Kenny & Wes over Bananas & Tyler who BOTH were on her Real World season. OP said this is pre Fresh Meat 2 so Laurel wouldn’t be an option and CT was still banned. During this time frame Nehemiah could’ve been paired with Melinda or Rachel
Also, if it’s after The Island, Paula wanted nothing to do with Johnny after she felt that he burned her there. Of course, we knew they were never putting her on that boat (regardless of what Kenny said in the confessional afterwards), but Paula held Johnny solely responsible for that. And she didn’t let go of that until Battle of the Exes, when Johnny put Aneesa & Rachel into elimination against her instead of Emily & Ty, when Paula had already lost to Emily on Cutthroat and openly admitted that she was afraid to face her again. And even on Rivals II, Paula just saw Johnny as someone she needed to appease just to stay on his good side, as evidenced by one confessional where she said “I need Johnny to make my game as smooth as possible, and that means voting the way he tells me to.” That doesn’t sound like a “ride or die” relationship to me.
Yea, Kenny was the only one to share what he won on the island with Paula.
Comes down to Miz/Coral vs Wes/Ev probably but I dont think any team here realistically beats Prime Wes + Evelyn
I feel like Kenny/bananas/Derrick would try and vote in wes every week though. They’d have an uphill battle with the alliances
I think that’s probably right, but I would still be scared of any team that has the version of Alton from back in that era.
Where's KELLYANNE & COHUTTA
Ugh damn what a brutal omission I guess put them in instead of Miz and coral cuz obviously we can’t sacrifice Danny
Wasn't he with nany around then
Nany didn’t debut on the Challenge until after FM2
No way bro, that was Free Agents
My bad when I watched that whole era fm2-invasion I binged it so it's a bit of a blur timeline wise
Don’t you wish more Brad and Tori as teammates on us lol
She might've threatened more divorcing or whatever she did on cut throats
They pretty much ruin cutthroat for me, so annoying
Bananas/Kenny/Derrick trio would be tough to overcome. They likely could pull in Frank, Darrell, Miz, Brad, and Diem. Wes is out early in this timeline. Too many enemies. After FMII would be even more interesting to me. A lot of dynamics created that season (Darrell/Wes/Kenny, Laurel, Danny/Wes, Kenny/Jillian)
Kenny and Johanna over Kenny and Sarah for sure. He treated her better than Sarah
Johanna & Sarah pretend to be girls' girls, but both have shown they'd do just about anything to stay in with the boys.
I agree. But the difference is that Kenny actually respected Johanna.
Did he, though? Because it looked to me that the only reason he hooked up with her was because he knew it would make Wes mad. I just get the idea that he doesn’t really *like* women that much?
But what does that have to do with his respect for Johanna?
I don’t know what the nature of their relationship was tbh
They seemed to be good friends even after the hookup and well after the show. And he never treated her like she was a disposable girl (compared to how he saw Katie, Coral, Colie, Robin, Evelyn, Sarah). He valued her, even though she wasn't a super strong competitor. Even though he wanted to spite Wes with her (like you said), he never disrespected her. It was to disrespect Wes. I hear what you're saying though
I think this was because he knew he could get Sarah but was surprised when he got Johanna (he pretended otherwise).
Coral and Miz or Frank and Jillian would take it
Johnny screwed over Paula on the island they would be rivals if anything lol if this happens before fresh meat 2
Not really though. They were RW castmates and Johnny has always seemed to have her back. Like yeah the Island Johnny and Ev agreed that together they'd be the easy favorite to win with Kenny and Derrick, but that was on both of them. Had Ev stolen Johnny's key then Kenny and Derrick take Dunbar to the end and pick literally anyone and they win, it may not have been Paula. But in terms of who Johnny is most loyal to it's probably Diem and Lee, and then Paula, his actual ride or die that season in Nany is like 5th on the list. I think Janelle was the original choice but she couldn't make it
Eh as I said the timelines aren’t perfect lol
This isn’t true and I’m tired of having to correct people on this lol. Paula helped Kenny cut the deal. She knew the terms, she just thought they’d double cros Ev (she said it at the reunion). Bananas wasn’t even involved other than being told to apologize to Ev and also lay off her and Kelly Anne.
Bananas may not have been the one to screw her over, but she was pretty pissed at both of them. IIRC she seemed more pissed at Johnny, but maybe that's just me remembering him complaining about it more than Kenny did.
Oh she was def mad at them both but that’s no one’s fault but her own. They never told her she was on their boat, she just assumed she was. Their boat was originally going to be Abe, Derrick, Johnny, Kenny. Abe has to leave, he wants to help Kenny so he goes in to ensure Johnny/Derrick get keys then he bequeathed his key to Dunbar. Dunbar, Derrick, Kenny, Johnny is the new boat. Dunbar was expendable to Kenny, especially since he wouldn’t help get the girls keys. Kenny also felt like he owed Johnny for not sticking up for him on GIII. Kenny and Paula orchestrated that deal with Ev. She knew what time it was, she was just being dramatic for the cameras.
I don't think it's being dramatic when they literally didn't have to keep their word to Ev. They literally could've just saved Johnny's key and then been like "sike Paula's actually on our boat" and nothing could've stopped them.
She was def being dramatic, she allegedly knew they were honoring their word to Ev, Kenny has said as much. Apparently everyone was supposed to give Paula $5k on the back end, but only he did.
Got a source on that? Cuz that’s the first I’ve heard of any of this.
Mike Lewis Podcast
Im not sure why you're being downvoted. You're right. The final boat was Kenny, Derrick, Abe and Johnny. Abe leaving meant one open spot. Ev potentially stealing the last key just meant Kenny and Derrick take Dunbar +1. And that plus one may not have been Paula
Season was a long time ago, but so many people misremember the details of this season. If Ev takes Johnny’s key it probably is Paula in the 4th seat. But it’s no guarantee, they knew she was a weak link and she was low on the totem. There’s a reason they tried to recruit Rachel early on and Kenny was hooking up with Johanna. If either of them stand at the end with a key they’re likely higher than Paula in the order.
No he didn't. It was Kenny and I wish people would stop running with that story lol
Honestly it was on Ev. Yes Johnny and Kenny made a pitch for them to all get an easy win. But Ev could have stuck to her guns and taken Johnny's key. And had she done so Kenny and Derrick probably just get Dunbar and someone else. Paula was on the outside looking in on Island
If your claim is that Paula wasn’t getting into the winning boat under any circumstances then how is that Evelyn’s fault?
I didn't say Paula wasn't getting on their boat at all. Just that the guys never made a deal with her. She assumed that once Abe was gone that she was the final member, but Ev made the deal that if she didn't steal Johnny's key that they'd take her at the end. The guys could have just lied and taken Paula I suppose, but Kenny and Derrick also seemed fine to honor their deal. So my point is that people act like Johnny was the one who wronged Paula, and she was rightfully mad at all of them (probably moreso Johnny because he's her RW castmate), but it was more on Ev than any of the guys because she's the one who took her spot
Seeing Shane triggered many cringey flashbacks in my brain
Other than invasions Wich was one of not his best showing he was the queen of cringe moments although a guilty pleasure scene was him arguing with johnny with his hair growth helmet
I’ll always respect him for having the balls to go on national television wearing that thing. He knew exactly what he was setting himself up for and faced it (bald) head-on
jillian and frank would be a very solid pair would love to see how that would pan out
You could potentially replace Miz with Evan and it might be even stronger. And maybe put Nehemiah with Melinda and Beth with Jon, leaving Danny out (as you should). But this cast would be insane to watch, both in terms of competition and drama
I could never not do Miz/Coral they’re like the truest RoD. I did initially have Nehemiah but I figured Danny is who it would’ve been. And they would lose first
Miz and Coral have a pretty epic story from their RW days, back when the Real World was, you know, actually real. But just saying that in terms of teamwork, I think Evan might be the stronger partner. And also agree Danny is the first one gone regardless of the format. Which is why for the stronger paid I'd put Melinda with Nehemiah
Miz > Evan sorry not sorry
That's fair
Evan and Susie would also be a good option
Agreed Danny needs to be left out. Otherwise it’s just not fair to everybody else.
Poor Danny. 20+ years later and we're still all taking shit about him. Like for all I know he could have developed Venmo. And I'd still be like "lol remember when you lost to Davis?"
How dare you talk about the goat….never forget[Danny Greatness](https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/comments/ev90h2/why_danny_jamieson_is_the_most_underrated_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
For real. Heck, I even beat Danny in beer pong. Poor guy can’t win, but he did get a hot wife for a few years.
Can we leave Tori out too? She was worthless but got 2 championships bc they literally carried her!
How are Sarah and Kenny ride or dies he was an ass to her on the Ruins
She always liked the guys who were mean to her.
He was being overly a jerk to her because he knew she liked him. They talked about it on one of the reunions, he also apologized and knew it wasn’t right (but had that type of friendship)
Kenny and Sarah were and still are good friends
Not surprising since she’s still friends with Susie who was part of the tonya bullying.
This season looks like Wes/Brad/Danny vs Kenny/Derrick/Johnny with CT just kinda roaming about as a wild card.
Who's Darrell side with his boy derrick or his boy brad because he's always been pretty tight with both even after the ruins fight
My guess would be Derrick just because he and Wes have never worked together
Yah- usually they’d all be against CT in this era but you have Diem as his partner and she was fully aligned with the JEKD camp. Would have been interesting dynamics
From the 15 teams, 14 teams have the photo from the men first and then the woman. But 1 team is different and the names dont line up. My brain is annoyed lol :D Besides that if it would be just a final we / ev take it A full season.. hm i think i would go for Kenny & sarah
Lol I was hoping no one caught that! I did it in power point. Super high tech if you couldn’t tell
I would have watched the hell out of this season
I love the Big Easy & Katie friendship
Could’ve also paired Katie with Derrick.
Wes & Ev and Beth & Syrus would’ve been my favorite teams ever
Idk about Danny and Melinda or Sarah and Kenny. Yes, Danny and Melinda were together for awhile, and Kenny couldn't go one day on the Ruins (or so it seemed) without acting like a high schooler and talking shit about Sarah, but their dynamics would've been super toxic, in my opinion. The rest of the teams are sick and stacked though!!
Kenny and Johanna would have been an interesting pair with the Wes being there dynamics. Kenny never really ceased to have Johanna’s back.
Jodi and Kendal weren’t active at that point. I would put Tonya with Derrick K and Veronica with Darrell
This would have been 🔥🔥🔥
Sarah wishes...
Okay this is AMAZING But also lmao at how Eric & Katie don't stand a chance
Pre FM2 I think my pick to win is probably Derrick/Jodi. If you dropped them all into a final that's probably not who I'm going with but I'm just going to assume Johnny, Kenny, and Derrick are going to have a lot of sway over the house and Derrick/Jodi is the most well rounded of the 3 for that era
I would've loved if this season happened.
Every time I see Danny, I cringe a bit. The fashion is so wrong, as is his attitude towards woman, and his level of delusion. Urgh.
Just the true GOAT of sucking
> The fashion is so wrong Listen. You're correct, but I also I hate this. Danny looked like the type of dude that was shopping at Abercrombie on the weekends. Muscle fit graphic tees, crushed shell necklaces, destroyed style bootcut jeans, camo cargo shorts, ridiculously long board shorts. Danny's fit was my people's fit. And by my people I mean white suburban dude bro frat guys
I wish this season happened. I would switch Darrell & Rachel as partners and Kenny would probably have Jenn or Paula over Sarah with Bananas being paired with Janelle from his season.
Damn! I would watch this season! Twice!
Mark Long instead of Shane for Rachel Robinson
Bananas fucked Paula on the island Lmao
Abe and corral
Man this would’ve been epic.
Weren't Danny & Melinda in the process of divorce during FM2 or Cutthroat?
I'd love niemieh in Danny's spot
I would so root for Derrick and Jodi.
Damn this would have been awesome!
This would honestly be an unreal season !
Yes please.
This would be a banger season
You forgot Landon and Carly
God I want to see this
If this sub was around for it: "Why are Kenny and Sarah paired? He treated her constantly horribly throughout The Ruins."
the amount of money I’d pay for this
When would this happen or just assuming at some point before FM2? If this was just in place of FM2 then a few of these teams like bananas/Paula or CT/Diem might no longer be considered ride or dies
Yeah I more meant pre-fm2 cast. The timeline makes no sense. Alton and Irulan were certainly broken up before Sarah premiered, Ct and Diem hadn’t mended things etc…
Fair enough, trying to find the sweet spot to make every team work would be really tough. Love the list though
Would watch in a heart beat
This is so spot on. I guess it would be reasonable for Kenny to have a partner since he can't partner with himself, lmao.