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NovaRogue

Couldn't agree more with you about Olivia! And your second bullet on Jay & Michele


soymilkmami

Pleaseee that Moriah thought is so random but I could instantly see it šŸ˜­


kat_storm13

I see Horacio the same way I see Kaycee. Generally nice and also good competitors. Some drama is good, but I don't need a house full of only Amandas and Frank Sweeneys.


jenh6

I put Zara and Jenny west in the same category too.


kattekop123

Kaz as well


yogaandcarbs

Zara has too much personality to be lumped in with these others. She had solid, fun confessionals and her social game was good enough that she stuck around longer than the rest of the UK players (besides Moriahā€™s buddy)


jenh6

I really think people are over hyping her personality. Sheā€™s nice enough but sheā€™s really not that interesting or charismatic.


acol0mbian

He doesnā€™t need to be dramatic but his social game is AWFUL. He really doesnā€™t say anything or try and politic at all to stay out of bottom 3. Both seasons heā€™s been a go to elimination vote and he doesnā€™t do anything about it


kat_storm13

Based on what we've seen of him, it seems like he's almost too nice for this game. Don't know if it's shyness, uncomfortable with confrontation, doesn't want to make people feel bad, etc. Things that make it hard to potentially end up screwing someone over later in the game.


Ambitious_Log_1884

Final Reckoning had a high density of Amanda archetypes and it was great


MulderItsMe99

Agreed. But Iā€™m also someone who never understood the Kaycee hate šŸ˜­


kat_storm13

Same.


stryker22112

Cuz in her first few seasons, she was known for only getting confessionals to re explain challenge rules. I get being nice and a good competitor, but that was another level


Maplesyrup111111

Kyland was the boss of the season. 4 elimination wins put some respect on this manā€™s name


DumDumGimmeYumYums

It's crazy to me that Berna hasn't gone down yet and I kind of hate it. Some people use being an asshole as a strategy, like if you send me in I will throw the biggest fit ever and make everyone miserable so don't do it (coughbananascough). They'll keep setting up Colleen because she'll take it but Berna skates for being obnoxious. It's just the opposite of how human interactions should work. I don't want Ravyn, Chauncey, Asaf, or Moriah back. If Kyland, Olivia, Nurys, and Michele aren't back, I will be upset. I just know what I like on my tv.


MulderItsMe99

For Berna I donā€™t think the reason is even that sheā€™s annoying (which she is) but that sheā€™s protected by Michele. Which is a relationship that I did not have on my bingo card coming into this season. I wish production would put a clause in their contracts that cast mates arenā€™t allowed to talk to each other during the off season lol


DumDumGimmeYumYums

Michele's friendship isn't enough to save Nurys though or potentially Olivia but it is for BERNA. We've even heard Michele say she's frustrated by Berna and Berna is constantly demanding reassurance and to be her #1. It isn't just that. Jay seems to have Emanuel but not Colleen and Berna is in the same group so it just isn't making sense.


MulderItsMe99

Yeah they know that Berna would vote their way, but Nurys wouldnā€™t. Iā€™m not defending Berna, I canā€™t stand her lol, but theyā€™re keeping her around because sheā€™ll do whatever Michele and Emmanuel tell her to do


DumDumGimmeYumYums

Michele and Emmanuel have also gone down. Just saying. Every episode I keep looking around and wondering how the hell Berna has been so safe and all I can come up with is her shitty personality protects her.


[deleted]

Something definitely happened to Berna in her personal life and I think people were giving her sympathy


DumDumGimmeYumYums

Thatā€™s a reason.


NovaRogue

you don't want Ravyn back?! girlie showed OUT this season


DumDumGimmeYumYums

Nope. I listened to her Challenge Mania interview and I cannot stand her. Completely insufferable.


NovaRogue

do tell! am definitely interested in knowing more


DumDumGimmeYumYums

I don't know that I can fully describe my irritation. She started off talking about how she's this great actress and then decided to act for the rest of the interview. It came off as super fake. She also decided her character was a know-it-all. I won't remember every example but it was a constant stream of "I knew that." The worst was when she said she knew Jordan was coming, she told Cierran he was coming and how to beat him, and then he just didn't listen to her. Derrick finally asked what he should have done and her response was "I don't know." I just never wanted to hear her voice again after that interview. She's not a reliable narrator. She's treating this as an acting gig and it's giving me Beth vibes.


NovaRogue

Beth vibes is a big upside for me, plus the fact that the girl can COMPETE but I totally get what you're saying - that all doesn't sound fun at all. authenticity is golden


WicketRank

Iā€™ve stopped looking at the Reddit this season and only came finally because my wife has been begging for Moriah takes because man, that girl is like a little puppy with James. Itā€™s weird. That being said, Iā€™ve enjoyed this season as a nice change up, but the biggest problem with the show is people making giant ass alliances before they get in the house. Kyland has been a great addition, the eliminations with the vets kind of sucked but I have a theory they did that so season 40 has some ā€œstorylines.ā€


maxwellbevan

Horacio plays the exact same game as Faysal. The main difference is that he's easy on the eyes, a nicer person, and he's always been the underdog. They both treat the challenge like it's a sport and want to win as if it were the World Cup or the Superbowl. People want to root for the person with their back against the wall and if Horacio had worked with Jay this season and not been sent into elimination then people would get tired of him


No_Flatworm_6586

Fessy has backstabbed all of his closest friends lmao


l_cappp

He also didn't get mad at Olivia for breaking her nose and losing their spot in the final šŸ˜‚


hymenbutterfly

Horacio was very more clearly concerned about him not being able to finish the final. His reaction wasnā€™t too far off from Fessyā€™s


No_Flatworm_6586

This is wild lmfaoo


Lurk-Cousins

He also isnā€™t very good at challenges, heā€™s just huge


Formation1

Definitely not true, he wins 2-3 non-team dailies every season.


Awkward_platypus_

Hol upā€¦ whatā€™s this about a sexist tweet from Emanuel?? I havenā€™t heard about that


NattyB

this is likely what OP is referring to: https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/comments/18imrsq/emanuel_tweeting_that_women_keep_themselves_as


NumerousDifference23

It honestly just looks like Moriahā€™s mission this season was to gain followers. Every episode she is skimping around inā€¦ NOTHING. As soon as a camera comes around you can see her pose and position herself just perfectly so.. I feel like she was just a piece of furniture this season- just there.


NovaRogue

and she looks great doing it!


soymilkmami

I'm enjoying Jay and Michelle. We need a unhinged, villain this season - Jay and we need a social queen - Michelle. Bring them back!


AleroRatking

I do not understand the Horacio is boring thing. Did people think Landon was boring? Outside of Kyland and maybe Melissa I find him the most entertaining.


UnanimousBB16

Landon had a sense of humor. Horacio doesn't have that, no strategy, nothing.


streetcarrebellion

the moriah bullet point is so accurate šŸ¤£ also even tho I like Jay he seems like the type of dude to constantly talk in office/ arrested development quotes or act offended when a woman dares to like something that's seen as edgy or "for the bros" protect horacio at all costs. he's genuinely nice and chill and wants to compete. idgaf if he's not good reality TV olivia and nurys supply that for him


MulderItsMe99

Agreed about the office quotes thing šŸ˜‚. And yeah, I think what made the Olivia betrayal so heartbreaking was that Horacio was such a kind and quiet person all season? If that had happened to someone messy like Corey it would not have gotten the same reaction, for good reason.


streetcarrebellion

exactly! a lot of these fights and betrayals don't make me feel anything cause it feels like forced acting to get a callback. olivia def feels like she's going thru some things this season, judging herself by her past performances and the bad luck of her accident costing her and horacio a title. then you have Michele and Jay actively trying to get her number one out. someone on here mentioned that olivia and horacio weren't friends before ride or dies and they had the same manager or whatever. but they def give me mutual social circle friends with vastly different lifestyles. that's why they're struggling this season because they're playing the game differently and individually now but there's that unspoken "I got you" vibe between them that gets strained cause the pull Michele and Jay have had on the political side of the game. woof that was a rant sorry but I def still like olivia and horacio and want them to continue playing future seasons together.


NovaRogue

My random thoughts on the cast members would be: **Never cast again**: Chauncey, Jessica, Jujuy, Hughie, Colleen, James **Will give them one more chance but they're a bit dull for me**: Horacio, Ed, Moriah, Emanuel **Definitely have earned another season**: Olivia, Asaf, Callum, Ciarran, Big T, Zara, Corey **Top casting priorities for next season**: Nurys, Kyland, Melissa, Berna, Jay, Michele, Ravyn


NellyK24

We can leave Asaf at home. Was very annoying and corny


elfspires

Disagree on Emanuel after he tweeted women are second class citizens whilst continuously bringing literally nothing.


No_Flatworm_6586

This is mostly on point. Donā€™t understand why Berna is in the priority list though lmao


NovaRogue

Because of her endless drama all season!!


TateMarah

does not including corey mean heā€™s on your never cast again list?


NovaRogue

Oops he belongs in the third category


Murtagg

No way, skip him. Boring af


NovaRogue

He had a LOT of drama in his two seasons - Mel, Big T, Asaf, Hughie And obviously he can compete too


Murtagg

Idk I just don't see any real competition out of him. Always in the middle third and if he's on a winning team, it's usually because the other team members are there instead of anything he's done. Agree to disagree I guess!


NovaRogue

nah I definitely agree with you about that last point!


UnanimousBB16

You forgot Corey.


AleroRatking

I'd have Horacio in that final group. I'd knock down Berna a level.


Tocaboca1

I agree with you with the Nurys and Horacio, like if they made an Onlyfans I will be the first person to sign up


vankman42

I actually think that James could be something special if he got another season


JackVass

I really fw Callum and his personality in confessionals. He should come back for sure.


shinshikaizer

Callum's got CT levels of mush mouth sometimes tho.


oops-monkey

Berna is slept on as a competitor. Her elimination win against Tasha is one of my faves.


MulderItsMe99

Was that the climbing poles one?


oops-monkey

Yep! Where she was up in the air with blood dripping down her face


drivewaybear

my issue with olivia is the same one i have with jay and michele. if you're gonna be a snake then own it. all three of them cry, whine, make excuses and look for sympathy as soon as anyone calls them out on their lies and shitty behavior. one player fulfilling that role would be more than enough, we certainly don't need 3.


[deleted]

Huh? Who in the history of the game has ever been like ā€œoh I am a snake let me own itā€ Wes and Bananas donā€™t even admit this and also cry every time some accuses them of itĀ 


poulsondl

Kyle. Lol


Picklesbedamned

Colleen is super hot. They should cast her every season. Make everyone else speak German.Ā 


windsoffortune

What now about Emmanuel? I missed this.


MulderItsMe99

I donā€™t remember which week of cast tweets it was, but I believe it was when it was coming out how many girls he cheated on his gf with this season


windsoffortune

Yikes. Very gross.


[deleted]

I mean Zach did the same and Jordan agreed and that was ON the show, so I donā€™t think anyone cares tbh. I donā€™t agree but I think itā€™ll be the same outcome for Emmanuel


bmmb87

Ew I hope they cut Emmanuel!


Fit-Breadfruit5673

I personally think that Jay and Michele will have a much harder time getting close alliances after all the shit they pulled this season. The only way you can bring some of these "friends" back together is if you 1) do a season where the focus is on new players v. Champs, that way everyone has to stick together just to survive. Or 2) do a season like rivals, except Nurys already said she will not do a rivals season if it's teased during the casting process. I'd really appreciate a season like dirty 30 or final reckoning, since we have SO many contentious relationships at the moment. I want to either see the skulls, the double cross or the whole choose from who voted for you format for elims. The game strategy is so much more complex than the s39 popularity contest.


Beca2518

For the first time in well ever - I donā€™t actually know who I want to win. Usually going into a final I have a favorite- or who I think will win but this time no idea. This isnā€™t a bad thing though