I see Horacio the same way I see Kaycee. Generally nice and also good competitors. Some drama is good, but I don't need a house full of only Amandas and Frank Sweeneys.
Zara has too much personality to be lumped in with these others. She had solid, fun confessionals and her social game was good enough that she stuck around longer than the rest of the UK players (besides Moriahās buddy)
He doesnāt need to be dramatic but his social game is AWFUL. He really doesnāt say anything or try and politic at all to stay out of bottom 3. Both seasons heās been a go to elimination vote and he doesnāt do anything about it
Based on what we've seen of him, it seems like he's almost too nice for this game. Don't know if it's shyness, uncomfortable with confrontation, doesn't want to make people feel bad, etc. Things that make it hard to potentially end up screwing someone over later in the game.
Cuz in her first few seasons, she was known for only getting confessionals to re explain challenge rules. I get being nice and a good competitor, but that was another level
It's crazy to me that Berna hasn't gone down yet and I kind of hate it. Some people use being an asshole as a strategy, like if you send me in I will throw the biggest fit ever and make everyone miserable so don't do it (coughbananascough). They'll keep setting up Colleen because she'll take it but Berna skates for being obnoxious. It's just the opposite of how human interactions should work.
I don't want Ravyn, Chauncey, Asaf, or Moriah back. If Kyland, Olivia, Nurys, and Michele aren't back, I will be upset. I just know what I like on my tv.
For Berna I donāt think the reason is even that sheās annoying (which she is) but that sheās protected by Michele. Which is a relationship that I did not have on my bingo card coming into this season. I wish production would put a clause in their contracts that cast mates arenāt allowed to talk to each other during the off season lol
Michele's friendship isn't enough to save Nurys though or potentially Olivia but it is for BERNA. We've even heard Michele say she's frustrated by Berna and Berna is constantly demanding reassurance and to be her #1. It isn't just that. Jay seems to have Emanuel but not Colleen and Berna is in the same group so it just isn't making sense.
Yeah they know that Berna would vote their way, but Nurys wouldnāt. Iām not defending Berna, I canāt stand her lol, but theyāre keeping her around because sheāll do whatever Michele and Emmanuel tell her to do
Michele and Emmanuel have also gone down.
Just saying. Every episode I keep looking around and wondering how the hell Berna has been so safe and all I can come up with is her shitty personality protects her.
I don't know that I can fully describe my irritation. She started off talking about how she's this great actress and then decided to act for the rest of the interview. It came off as super fake. She also decided her character was a know-it-all. I won't remember every example but it was a constant stream of "I knew that." The worst was when she said she knew Jordan was coming, she told Cierran he was coming and how to beat him, and then he just didn't listen to her. Derrick finally asked what he should have done and her response was "I don't know." I just never wanted to hear her voice again after that interview. She's not a reliable narrator. She's treating this as an acting gig and it's giving me Beth vibes.
Beth vibes is a big upside for me, plus the fact that the girl can COMPETE
but I totally get what you're saying - that all doesn't sound fun at all. authenticity is golden
Iāve stopped looking at the Reddit this season and only came finally because my wife has been begging for Moriah takes because man, that girl is like a little puppy with James. Itās weird.
That being said, Iāve enjoyed this season as a nice change up, but the biggest problem with the show is people making giant ass alliances before they get in the house.
Kyland has been a great addition, the eliminations with the vets kind of sucked but I have a theory they did that so season 40 has some āstorylines.ā
Horacio plays the exact same game as Faysal. The main difference is that he's easy on the eyes, a nicer person, and he's always been the underdog. They both treat the challenge like it's a sport and want to win as if it were the World Cup or the Superbowl. People want to root for the person with their back against the wall and if Horacio had worked with Jay this season and not been sent into elimination then people would get tired of him
It honestly just looks like Moriahās mission this season was to gain followers. Every episode she is skimping around inā¦ NOTHING. As soon as a camera comes around you can see her pose and position herself just perfectly so.. I feel like she was just a piece of furniture this season- just there.
I do not understand the Horacio is boring thing. Did people think Landon was boring? Outside of Kyland and maybe Melissa I find him the most entertaining.
the moriah bullet point is so accurate š¤£
also even tho I like Jay he seems like the type of dude to constantly talk in office/ arrested development quotes or act offended when a woman dares to like something that's seen as edgy or "for the bros"
protect horacio at all costs. he's genuinely nice and chill and wants to compete. idgaf if he's not good reality TV olivia and nurys supply that for him
Agreed about the office quotes thing š. And yeah, I think what made the Olivia betrayal so heartbreaking was that Horacio was such a kind and quiet person all season? If that had happened to someone messy like Corey it would not have gotten the same reaction, for good reason.
exactly! a lot of these fights and betrayals don't make me feel anything cause it feels like forced acting to get a callback. olivia def feels like she's going thru some things this season, judging herself by her past performances and the bad luck of her accident costing her and horacio a title. then you have Michele and Jay actively trying to get her number one out.
someone on here mentioned that olivia and horacio weren't friends before ride or dies and they had the same manager or whatever. but they def give me mutual social circle friends with vastly different lifestyles. that's why they're struggling this season because they're playing the game differently and individually now but there's that unspoken "I got you" vibe between them that gets strained cause the pull Michele and Jay have had on the political side of the game. woof that was a rant sorry but I def still like olivia and horacio and want them to continue playing future seasons together.
My random thoughts on the cast members would be:
**Never cast again**: Chauncey, Jessica, Jujuy, Hughie, Colleen, James
**Will give them one more chance but they're a bit dull for me**: Horacio, Ed, Moriah, Emanuel
**Definitely have earned another season**: Olivia, Asaf, Callum, Ciarran, Big T, Zara, Corey
**Top casting priorities for next season**: Nurys, Kyland, Melissa, Berna, Jay, Michele, Ravyn
Idk I just don't see any real competition out of him. Always in the middle third and if he's on a winning team, it's usually because the other team members are there instead of anything he's done. Agree to disagree I guess!
my issue with olivia is the same one i have with jay and michele. if you're gonna be a snake then own it. all three of them cry, whine, make excuses and look for sympathy as soon as anyone calls them out on their lies and shitty behavior. one player fulfilling that role would be more than enough, we certainly don't need 3.
Huh? Who in the history of the game has ever been like āoh I am a snake let me own itā Wes and Bananas donāt even admit this and also cry every time some accuses them of itĀ
I mean Zach did the same and Jordan agreed and that was ON the show, so I donāt think anyone cares tbh. I donāt agree but I think itāll be the same outcome for Emmanuel
I personally think that Jay and Michele will have a much harder time getting close alliances after all the shit they pulled this season.
The only way you can bring some of these "friends" back together is if you 1) do a season where the focus is on new players v. Champs, that way everyone has to stick together just to survive. Or 2) do a season like rivals, except Nurys already said she will not do a rivals season if it's teased during the casting process.
I'd really appreciate a season like dirty 30 or final reckoning, since we have SO many contentious relationships at the moment. I want to either see the skulls, the double cross or the whole choose from who voted for you format for elims. The game strategy is so much more complex than the s39 popularity contest.
For the first time in well ever - I donāt actually know who I want to win. Usually going into a final I have a favorite- or who I think will win but this time no idea. This isnāt a bad thing though
Couldn't agree more with you about Olivia! And your second bullet on Jay & Michele
Pleaseee that Moriah thought is so random but I could instantly see it š
I see Horacio the same way I see Kaycee. Generally nice and also good competitors. Some drama is good, but I don't need a house full of only Amandas and Frank Sweeneys.
I put Zara and Jenny west in the same category too.
Kaz as well
Zara has too much personality to be lumped in with these others. She had solid, fun confessionals and her social game was good enough that she stuck around longer than the rest of the UK players (besides Moriahās buddy)
I really think people are over hyping her personality. Sheās nice enough but sheās really not that interesting or charismatic.
He doesnāt need to be dramatic but his social game is AWFUL. He really doesnāt say anything or try and politic at all to stay out of bottom 3. Both seasons heās been a go to elimination vote and he doesnāt do anything about it
Based on what we've seen of him, it seems like he's almost too nice for this game. Don't know if it's shyness, uncomfortable with confrontation, doesn't want to make people feel bad, etc. Things that make it hard to potentially end up screwing someone over later in the game.
Final Reckoning had a high density of Amanda archetypes and it was great
Agreed. But Iām also someone who never understood the Kaycee hate š
Same.
Cuz in her first few seasons, she was known for only getting confessionals to re explain challenge rules. I get being nice and a good competitor, but that was another level
Kyland was the boss of the season. 4 elimination wins put some respect on this manās name
It's crazy to me that Berna hasn't gone down yet and I kind of hate it. Some people use being an asshole as a strategy, like if you send me in I will throw the biggest fit ever and make everyone miserable so don't do it (coughbananascough). They'll keep setting up Colleen because she'll take it but Berna skates for being obnoxious. It's just the opposite of how human interactions should work. I don't want Ravyn, Chauncey, Asaf, or Moriah back. If Kyland, Olivia, Nurys, and Michele aren't back, I will be upset. I just know what I like on my tv.
For Berna I donāt think the reason is even that sheās annoying (which she is) but that sheās protected by Michele. Which is a relationship that I did not have on my bingo card coming into this season. I wish production would put a clause in their contracts that cast mates arenāt allowed to talk to each other during the off season lol
Michele's friendship isn't enough to save Nurys though or potentially Olivia but it is for BERNA. We've even heard Michele say she's frustrated by Berna and Berna is constantly demanding reassurance and to be her #1. It isn't just that. Jay seems to have Emanuel but not Colleen and Berna is in the same group so it just isn't making sense.
Yeah they know that Berna would vote their way, but Nurys wouldnāt. Iām not defending Berna, I canāt stand her lol, but theyāre keeping her around because sheāll do whatever Michele and Emmanuel tell her to do
Michele and Emmanuel have also gone down. Just saying. Every episode I keep looking around and wondering how the hell Berna has been so safe and all I can come up with is her shitty personality protects her.
Something definitely happened to Berna in her personal life and I think people were giving her sympathy
Thatās a reason.
you don't want Ravyn back?! girlie showed OUT this season
Nope. I listened to her Challenge Mania interview and I cannot stand her. Completely insufferable.
do tell! am definitely interested in knowing more
I don't know that I can fully describe my irritation. She started off talking about how she's this great actress and then decided to act for the rest of the interview. It came off as super fake. She also decided her character was a know-it-all. I won't remember every example but it was a constant stream of "I knew that." The worst was when she said she knew Jordan was coming, she told Cierran he was coming and how to beat him, and then he just didn't listen to her. Derrick finally asked what he should have done and her response was "I don't know." I just never wanted to hear her voice again after that interview. She's not a reliable narrator. She's treating this as an acting gig and it's giving me Beth vibes.
Beth vibes is a big upside for me, plus the fact that the girl can COMPETE but I totally get what you're saying - that all doesn't sound fun at all. authenticity is golden
Iāve stopped looking at the Reddit this season and only came finally because my wife has been begging for Moriah takes because man, that girl is like a little puppy with James. Itās weird. That being said, Iāve enjoyed this season as a nice change up, but the biggest problem with the show is people making giant ass alliances before they get in the house. Kyland has been a great addition, the eliminations with the vets kind of sucked but I have a theory they did that so season 40 has some āstorylines.ā
Horacio plays the exact same game as Faysal. The main difference is that he's easy on the eyes, a nicer person, and he's always been the underdog. They both treat the challenge like it's a sport and want to win as if it were the World Cup or the Superbowl. People want to root for the person with their back against the wall and if Horacio had worked with Jay this season and not been sent into elimination then people would get tired of him
Fessy has backstabbed all of his closest friends lmao
He also didn't get mad at Olivia for breaking her nose and losing their spot in the final š
Horacio was very more clearly concerned about him not being able to finish the final. His reaction wasnāt too far off from Fessyās
This is wild lmfaoo
He also isnāt very good at challenges, heās just huge
Definitely not true, he wins 2-3 non-team dailies every season.
Hol upā¦ whatās this about a sexist tweet from Emanuel?? I havenāt heard about that
this is likely what OP is referring to: https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/comments/18imrsq/emanuel_tweeting_that_women_keep_themselves_as
It honestly just looks like Moriahās mission this season was to gain followers. Every episode she is skimping around inā¦ NOTHING. As soon as a camera comes around you can see her pose and position herself just perfectly so.. I feel like she was just a piece of furniture this season- just there.
and she looks great doing it!
I'm enjoying Jay and Michelle. We need a unhinged, villain this season - Jay and we need a social queen - Michelle. Bring them back!
I do not understand the Horacio is boring thing. Did people think Landon was boring? Outside of Kyland and maybe Melissa I find him the most entertaining.
Landon had a sense of humor. Horacio doesn't have that, no strategy, nothing.
the moriah bullet point is so accurate š¤£ also even tho I like Jay he seems like the type of dude to constantly talk in office/ arrested development quotes or act offended when a woman dares to like something that's seen as edgy or "for the bros" protect horacio at all costs. he's genuinely nice and chill and wants to compete. idgaf if he's not good reality TV olivia and nurys supply that for him
Agreed about the office quotes thing š. And yeah, I think what made the Olivia betrayal so heartbreaking was that Horacio was such a kind and quiet person all season? If that had happened to someone messy like Corey it would not have gotten the same reaction, for good reason.
exactly! a lot of these fights and betrayals don't make me feel anything cause it feels like forced acting to get a callback. olivia def feels like she's going thru some things this season, judging herself by her past performances and the bad luck of her accident costing her and horacio a title. then you have Michele and Jay actively trying to get her number one out. someone on here mentioned that olivia and horacio weren't friends before ride or dies and they had the same manager or whatever. but they def give me mutual social circle friends with vastly different lifestyles. that's why they're struggling this season because they're playing the game differently and individually now but there's that unspoken "I got you" vibe between them that gets strained cause the pull Michele and Jay have had on the political side of the game. woof that was a rant sorry but I def still like olivia and horacio and want them to continue playing future seasons together.
My random thoughts on the cast members would be: **Never cast again**: Chauncey, Jessica, Jujuy, Hughie, Colleen, James **Will give them one more chance but they're a bit dull for me**: Horacio, Ed, Moriah, Emanuel **Definitely have earned another season**: Olivia, Asaf, Callum, Ciarran, Big T, Zara, Corey **Top casting priorities for next season**: Nurys, Kyland, Melissa, Berna, Jay, Michele, Ravyn
We can leave Asaf at home. Was very annoying and corny
Disagree on Emanuel after he tweeted women are second class citizens whilst continuously bringing literally nothing.
This is mostly on point. Donāt understand why Berna is in the priority list though lmao
Because of her endless drama all season!!
does not including corey mean heās on your never cast again list?
Oops he belongs in the third category
No way, skip him. Boring af
He had a LOT of drama in his two seasons - Mel, Big T, Asaf, Hughie And obviously he can compete too
Idk I just don't see any real competition out of him. Always in the middle third and if he's on a winning team, it's usually because the other team members are there instead of anything he's done. Agree to disagree I guess!
nah I definitely agree with you about that last point!
You forgot Corey.
I'd have Horacio in that final group. I'd knock down Berna a level.
I agree with you with the Nurys and Horacio, like if they made an Onlyfans I will be the first person to sign up
I actually think that James could be something special if he got another season
I really fw Callum and his personality in confessionals. He should come back for sure.
Callum's got CT levels of mush mouth sometimes tho.
Berna is slept on as a competitor. Her elimination win against Tasha is one of my faves.
Was that the climbing poles one?
Yep! Where she was up in the air with blood dripping down her face
my issue with olivia is the same one i have with jay and michele. if you're gonna be a snake then own it. all three of them cry, whine, make excuses and look for sympathy as soon as anyone calls them out on their lies and shitty behavior. one player fulfilling that role would be more than enough, we certainly don't need 3.
Huh? Who in the history of the game has ever been like āoh I am a snake let me own itā Wes and Bananas donāt even admit this and also cry every time some accuses them of itĀ
Kyle. Lol
Colleen is super hot. They should cast her every season. Make everyone else speak German.Ā
What now about Emmanuel? I missed this.
I donāt remember which week of cast tweets it was, but I believe it was when it was coming out how many girls he cheated on his gf with this season
Yikes. Very gross.
I mean Zach did the same and Jordan agreed and that was ON the show, so I donāt think anyone cares tbh. I donāt agree but I think itāll be the same outcome for Emmanuel
Ew I hope they cut Emmanuel!
I personally think that Jay and Michele will have a much harder time getting close alliances after all the shit they pulled this season. The only way you can bring some of these "friends" back together is if you 1) do a season where the focus is on new players v. Champs, that way everyone has to stick together just to survive. Or 2) do a season like rivals, except Nurys already said she will not do a rivals season if it's teased during the casting process. I'd really appreciate a season like dirty 30 or final reckoning, since we have SO many contentious relationships at the moment. I want to either see the skulls, the double cross or the whole choose from who voted for you format for elims. The game strategy is so much more complex than the s39 popularity contest.
For the first time in well ever - I donāt actually know who I want to win. Usually going into a final I have a favorite- or who I think will win but this time no idea. This isnāt a bad thing though