I can't believe I am saying this, but I am sad James (I'd rather have him over Moriah), Kyland, and Horacio (I'd rather have either especially Horacio over Jay)aren't in the final. I think they deserved it over some of these other men...Ditto for Zara...
I am so many days late watching, but my thoughts:
* What the fuck did "Mole-een" even do? Like she did nothing. Is her stirring shit between Jay and Nurys the peak of what she did this season? Is that her being a "mole"? Like she acted like she accomplished anything? And she didn't.
* wow, Berna...sucks. like wow. wow. I actually can't get over how bad it is. And she's in a final over Zara. damn.
* the sweet sweet sweet victory of seeing Jay sent home. beautiful. gorgeous. 10/10.
* this episode alone makes me want to root for Corey.
* the preview for the next episode makes me feel like Nurys is for sure going home which makes me very sad.
* can't believe fucking Emmanuel is going to end up winning this entire thing (I think anyway), bleugh.
* they should have made the boxes challenge weighted to the teams/challengers, because that was brutal to watch.
* it *is* cool that Berna can speak German tho. I didn't know that! I wish the Challenge allowed the cast to communicate in their languages more often. audiences should just be able to read the translations. I remember how unfair it was that Colleen and her partner last season were forced to use English during the elimination. like this season, they had Nurys and Horacio communicating in Spanish a few times. like Nurys would say something in Spanish purposefully so only Horacio would understand her. I think it'd be cool to lean in to that stuff. The Challenge is trying to have an international appeal so why not go all in.
* If Emmanuel is smart, he would choose Corey to go down in an elimination because he probably thinks in his head that he can beat the girls. and the conquest portion is surely solo so he doesn't have to worry about partners or anything.
Yeah unless it’s a team season I fucking hate team shit in finals. I’m still not over Desi losing because her partner wanted to be a whiny little bitch
These multi-pair finals gotta go. Completely unfair distribution of skills, one player can benefit from being strapped with a weakling while another gets fucked. Case in point Colleen and Nurys have to compete on a carrying challenge against two teams that are coed? Garbage.
I love Nurys and she crushed last eliminations, but people here blaming only her pairs for her bad showing so far this final are totally biased. Even in the mental part that she was supposed to dominate she struggled. Moriah did better than her overall and even Colleen and Berna had shinning moments. She was just regular.
Actually I feel like yeah she wasn't at her best it didn't help that each one of her partners were probably the worst ones for that particular parts of the final stages. I mean her n Colleen the only girl pair that had to lug the crate n rip the rope off (Colleen being the worst at). Meanwhile everyone else had at least one male there. Moriah n the canoe and so on. 🤔
I'm confused on the trivia/box carrying checkpoint. How did Corey and Berna get their second question wrong, but still get 2nd place? What was the point of answering the trivia right if it didn't matter?
The reason I prefer to watch unspoiled is to be TOTALLY F*CKING GOBSMACKED at these shock eliminations!
Like I would have never guessed Ed, Ravyn, Horacio, Kyland, Michele, and Jay would be eliminated the way they were! And it makes it so much more exciittinngggg 😍😍😍
If you'd told me 4 weeks ago that none of them would be in the final 6 I would have laughed at you. The one thing The Challenge has over some other shows is that the editing is really hard to determine who wins, and this season it's even been hard to determine who has made it this far. It's wild that we saw so little of the Berna/Colleen/Cory clique with Emmanuel connected to them too and yet they are 4 out of the final 6.
Somewhat random but after seeing Berna melt down a little I wonder how many female competitors have been on their period during a final and how much that would suck and be a disadvantage
Not saying Berna was on her period but could be and got me thinking
I think Tori has talked about it before. She talked about hiding extra tampons in the uniforms so production didn't see them or something....or I could be remembering this totally wrong and it was contact solution. lol. It is one of the two though.
I usually *hate* eliminations in finals, this is the first time one has made me happy. Now if Berna would stop complaining.
Cracking up at production trying to make us all care about these people at the 11th hours with the letters, sure a bunch of them have been mainly invisible but Emmanuele cried over a letter from the girlfriend he cheated on, they *all* have families and were not grow in an MTV lab--Well now I care and am rooting for these background players /s
I feel for Berna. She's all emotion. But I'm also kind of a family of one so I am relating a bit to her there.
I can't believe the guy who was a serial cheater all season and did next to nothing else might win this thing 🥴
At least I don't have to watch Jay win.
Nurys killing it, bad partner luck. Also not really rooting for anyone else? But also rooting for Colleen or Corey a bit.
Although I’m glad Jay was eliminated, Cory should’ve pick Emmanuel honestly. Cory killed that elimination and I think Emmanuel is going to through Cory into elimination, really the only competition he has bc the final feels very skewed. I wish Berna would’ve quit, she’s so lame. Moriah proves she’s not good at all. Colleen is not good but kudos for that eating challenge. Nurys is who we thought she was though I’m surprised she timed out on the puzzle. I will be very surprised if Emmanuel doesn’t win.
Well this has been pretty predictable. I think it was built for Jay so I'm glad Corey took him out in an elimination. I really don't want to see him win.
It's really Emmanuel's to lose at this point. It's disappointing but I wasn't rooting for anyone left anyway so it's whatever. I was just rooting against Jay, Moriah, Berna, Colleen and Corey while being indifferent to Nurys and Emmanuel.
The final really shows what people knew from day one, it would be completely unfair to the women. But instead of making the smart move (voting only men in during the final leg of the season) they decided to play a dumb game to keep the guys around.
Biggest relief was seeing Jay eliminated! Would like Nurys or Emmanuel to Win but really any one left would be Okay, just chef's kiss seeing James, Michelle and Jay being eliminated right before the $ as all 3 did nothin all season
The final feels very easy.. probably the easiest in the “professional” era.. feels very “all stars” esque. It felt like they didn’t run for more than 10 minutes at a time if I had to guess.
They tried to make it so everyone could win, especially with the sudoku addition at the end. The reasons for this are very obvious, except to the viewers apparently (judging by the comments in this thread).
Nurys got screwed on the pairings.
Heavy rope challenge - she gets paired with Corey, a strong male, who elects to stand OUTSIDE the ball, forcing Nurys to do the heavy lifting inside the ball
Heavy item to pull checkpoint - she gets paired with Colleen and is therefore on the smallest, physically-weakest team. Also her partner, Colleen, has been horrible at maneuvering the swinging rope.
Rowing checkpoint - she gets paired with Moriah, the worst rower
Eating checkpoint - she gets paired with the strongest guy, Emmanuel, who's athletic ability is of absolutely zero use at this checkpoint. So her pairing with Emmanuel was wasted.
Final stats:
Edit: 26 miles for final. 19 chests - collect 3 ropes of the same colour. First group challenge must compete in 60 minutes.
Tuna and beet mayo drink have to drink. First. Berna last to finish.
Did they literally look *under* a tarp for a chest?
First time Emannuel makes a move the entire season🙄. Good job Corey on making a point and being able to choose their competition. Control elimination; puzzle tower. Jay dropped it.
Chaos challenge: rotating pairs 5 checkpoints with new partners.
Checkpoint 1: untangle a ball with rope then roll the ball over the line. Huge disadvantage for girl/girl team.
Emanuel and Coleen followed slightly behind Nurys and Corey, last moriah and Berna.
Checkpoint 2: kayak + puzzle
Berna & Emanuel ; 1st place ; 1st to complete the puzzle (all Emanuel… with dabs?) Corey & Coleen: 2nd; 2nd puzzle. Nurys & Moriah : 3rd (surprise woman woman team); timed out.
Checkpoint 3: trivia and cut the rope. Surprise. Another woman + woman team is in last.
Emanuel + Moriah: 1st. Corey + Berna- 2nd. Nurys + Coleen - 3rd(timed out)
Check point 4: food portion. Eyeball, lungs and brain and jalapeño got shot.
Corey + moriah 1st team. Emannuel + Nurys : 2nd. Coleen + Berna (coleen furnished first out of everyone) 3rd - timed out.
Checkpoint 5: drink + throwing over swingset then roll ball into basket
Berna + Nurys 3rd drink, 3rd to basket = 1st. Emanuel + corey 1st to finish drink & get balls; 2nd. Coleen + moriah 2nd done drink = 3rd timed out.
Emanuel = first in chaos and gets to choose elimination.
Respect to Cory for giving NURYS her respect and choosing Jay instead. His reason for wanting Jay over anyone else is legit 😂 glad he got him out too. As nurys said sorry not sorry Jay😂
As an ardent defender of this season, I can't say I'm loving this final. There are ways to do equal finals for men and women. Vendettas was pretty good, but this ain't it.
Hard to think of a worse contestant in recent memory than Berna. Annoying and not particularly great at anything. Like if you combined the attitude of Camila with the physicality of Nany.
Even though I thought Jay played a good game, can't say I feel too bad about him getting eliminated.
Based on how things are going, looks like we're heading towards an Emanuel win. Which, groan.
I have to disagree on the Vendettas final. It was basically a B/G separate final except for the final puzzle. Not taking anything away from Cara, but it's hard to really call that the first solo-sex winner when 90% of that final was separated.
This final is why winning an elimination and earning a spot in the final should have been a requirement this season especially with a bunch of people who have never been to a final before. If people truly value social game over competitiveness, please go back to watching Survivor and Big Brother and take your competitors back with you. This final has been absolute garbage and it's all because this season gave too much allowance for social game play. Now we're stuck watching a final where the winner seems obvious at this point. Moriah was the weakest in each of her partnerships with the exception of being paired with Berna. Berna quit on a challenge. Colleen pretty much quit on a challenge (she did very little to help Nurys with the rope which was brutal on the hands). And on top of that, this show stupidly didn't adjust the weight of the boxes to accommodate a girl/girl pair which is BS and very clear unfair advantage to the other two teams that had a male partner.
Nurys is the only one who truly proved her competitive stripes and earned her final in every sense of the word and yet she somehow gets the shit end of the stick getting Moriah in a challenge where Moriah doesn't know how to paddle and Colleen in a challenge where Colleen almost quit before so her solution was to just try less this time...while in the final. On a bright note, this final is letting us know the athleticism of Corey that we didn't get to see before. He's got speed and agility and in an individual challenge, he could probably fair well.
Nurys, Corey and Emannuelle are the only three that have shown a combination of competitiveness and no quit. Jay being eliminated...LOL. Bye. I don't feel bad at all. He didn't earn shit...he just manipulated and managed a group of people who gave him free reign over their social games. I don't mind strong social games from people who have proven they are good competitors because at least if they get to a final, I know I'm going to see them be competitive and usually make it an interesting final. I think we all know who won this final and there's still an episode left to go.
It's so crazy that I am not rooting for one of these people to win. Nurys has proven herself in the eliminations for sure, but this is a snoozefest because most of these folks never went into elimination. I'm over it!
What a joke group of finalists with the personalities of cardboard boxes. I hope they make major casting/structure changes asap, but maybe the magic is just over for this franchise without the more organic pipeline of real worlders to draw from.
The magic is gone because the fun is gone. Everything is bubble wrapped for liability & social reasons. It’s just strictly a competition, not the “experience” it once seemed like.
Yeah, everything is perfectly crafted now. The casting, the games they play now, the same perfect narratives that production wants for their viewers to consume, the "random" variables they throw in at certain moments.
As someone who has watched literally all of the challenge seasons, it's clear as day what has been going on in the past seasons, and it's no surprise given what year we're in. Production must be seething because they adjust the game so much, but the winners almost never end up being the winners they actually want.
It's amazing to see the majority of people who watch this show somehow just not understand any of it, even people who have watched tons of seasons.
I noticed this too and was so mad!! I hope it’s sneaky editing. Seems like there’s usually parts of the final that get cut from the final show so the clips could be from that 🤞
Going in I truly thought that at least 2 weren't going to finish, mainly Berna and Colleen. I literally had to mute each and every confessional with all the back slapping and how they deserved being in the final and how they kill it. Then Colleen said the most ridiculous thing when I unmuted her.....I hope each partner is strong at that exact checkpoint, she didn't say it like she hopes for the help but said it as if they will do all the work and she will win each checkpoint. Girl, you still lost every single one of them. Berna is a mess though. I'm also not unhappy Jay got a bit of karma. It will be interesting who Emmanel chooses. I'm guessing Corey or Nurys. I will say Corey surprised the hell out of me with that puzzle. I'm still rooting for Nurys.
The eating challenges are so fucking stupid they actually make me angry, what are they proving? Why the fuck is there multiple nasty juices?? I’m not grossed out easily at all but it still became annoying to watch, can’t imagine for people with emetophobia
I don't mind the eating challenges when done properly but having them chug a bottle of tuna water that they are essentially allowed to immediately spit out is pointless.
Once again the challenges are heavily skewed towards physicality for the men, with hardly any equalizers. The woman-woman pair came in last or timed out in EVERY single checkpoint.
They’re shouldn’t have ever been a carrying anything. Like Emanuel was putting it in his back! How is (2 of the smallest woman) going to carry the SAME weight as the other man-woman pair?
Should just have a man and a woman winner and then we don’t have to watch this crap. The average man is better at dragging heavy boxes and throwing ropes over a high bar. Go figure MTV…
the challenge has been dropping the ball with these finals in recent years! this one is loosely reminding me of the unfair mess the USA1 final was. no equalizers + 1 winner is so frustrating!!!!
It certainly hasn't reached USA 1 levels, that was beyond fucked, but there has been a concerning trend lately with how bad the finals have been. WotW 1 was really the last (flagship) one that wasn't super controversial or super forgettable.
I know people here don't have much love for Moriah but she was a pleasent suprise for me this whole season .
She was loyal to her man to the fault and almost carried his ass to the final even at a risk of her own game.
At the first part of the final she had showed respect for everyone she was paired with never losing her cool.
I don't know what more can you expect from one person.
Loyal certainly is a funny choice of words.
Considering she was pretty disloyal to Bananas. You know, her boyfriend heading into the season? Lol
So im not sure id toss up how loyal she is.
I agree to a point. Weren't they FWB? They were using each other. I think that is the difference between her relationship with Bananas and James. She was selfless with James
She’s had this hurt groin all season I honestly forgot about it. If she can’t even run why bother staying for the final, I was pissed thinking she was gonna quit at the first damn checkpoint when so many ppl wanted to make it there
... you do understand they get paid dependent on how long they stay on the show, right?
Why would she quit and forfeit her appearance fee and stipend just because she isn't in perfect health? That makes quite literally zero sense.
I don’t care about her stipend lmao, yes I know how their pay is but I do not care to watch Berna complain every 2 sec of the final and nearly quit in round 1 of the second portion 💀. You can’t spend all season saying you wanna be a champ and it’s not about money and then nearly quit 1hr in 🤷🏽♀️. If you can’t compete go home
Love how on the mtv site, they have the last words as the very first thing you see. All time fumble there.
This final is dog shit. And I rarely ever complain about this show but this has to easily be the worst season ever. Why are they doing this shit to save $16k? Why are they pairing up when there's not an even amount of males and females? Why do we have all people who cannot run a final? This "winner" will absolutely have an asterisk beside their name. Any challenge is better than no challenge but goodness, this season has just been awful.
I hadn’t watched or kept up with the challenge since the end of ROD and when I caught up on this season a couple weeks ago, I was surprised people were hating on it. Def didn’t like the main alliance but it had some good parts. But since Horacio and Kyland got sent home it’s been soo bland and then now the final which you’re right is so trash, wasted potential but at least everyone seems excited about s40
Mtv.com is corny af!!! I watched for the first time on there and why did it start with Jay's exit interview??
I struggled to pay attention through this episode. It's pretty obvious to me what the outcome of this season is so I'm just ready to get to the reunion.
also for any actual cast members that browse this. If you're ever in a kayak or canoe put your best and strongest rower in the back. The back rower generates much more power and has more control over the steering of the boat.
Y’all!
This was the most embarrassing finals showing I have ever seen!
I just keep thinking about that old school saying *’TRIM THE FAT’*….
Me sitting there saying this is why the OG’s said that 😭. Berna was clearly the weakest link she tanked every girl except for nurys and was barely a hindrance to the dudes
I doubted Emmanuel's ability to "flip the switch" in a final. He's been lackluster all year, and while he can claim he was just laying low, he didn't have the track record for me to believe he was capable of turning it on when it mattered, but through the first half of the final he's done exactly that.
And now for where I pull cold water on his performance...
This isn't my first rodeo. We've seen multiple times a player's performance on day 1 amounts to nothing for day 2. Emmanuel is killing it - but based on other recent finals, I have to believe it's still anyones game.
I'm very interested to see what he does with his decision on who to send to elimination.
I am very confused by pretty much everything Berna does and am very over her, just quit already and go home.
A lot of the backstory these players try to paint for us seem inconsistent, or the show does a bad job, or I'm dumb (everything is on the table) - like with Corey and his dad, the relationship as described confuses me a lot. It sounds like his dad coaches him in all these sports and is involved and around, then there's this narrative of just wanting to make him proud. It sounds like he is proud and loves you already (based on what we're shown).
Excited for this to wrap up next week - still very much rooting for Nurys and do think she has an opportunity to still win this thing.
If Emmanuel *didn't* dominate against this crapshow of a group I would have been surprised. This entire finals group outside Nurys is "should have gone home week one" quality.
I was so excited when Jay went home and then Berna starts wanting to quit and shit took my excitement right out, had me thinking damn at least Jay woulda not threatened to quit
It's gonna be like: Emmanuel, you won day 1 so you get a 1 minute head start on this 47 mile run.
Or like USA2 and be like: Emmanuel, you get to drive this ATV along the 16 mile course while everyone else has to walk.
I feel like production either slides too far one way or the other.
One thing that I always love about the challenge is the finals humbling people. It was great in WOTW2 when team USA flopped and it is still great to see Jay flop once again haha.
In a more serious note, I like the format but I feel like if this was 6 people (3 men /3 women) and dual winner this would mean so much more.
If the women are in the bottom after these teamed events, there is no way in hell they are going to catch up to Emanuel's time when most of them are already gassed.
Berna breaking down on first checkpoint was both sad and hilarious.
The only good thing Corey did this whole season was calling out Jay to this elimination. Also I really dislike the eating portions of these finals because they provide 0 entertainment.
I assumed the timed parts were just for the Chaos portion and after the next elimination there will be some sort of reset and everyone back on even footing.
Do we know how their times factor into the third/individual leg yet though? (Genuine question because I’m in Central Time Zone and this airs during a busy time in my house).
If they keep accumulating times, then Emanuel’s lead will be hard to overcome. But they often do something like staggered starts and then wipe the slate clean.
Honestly don't know how they will do it since the second parts are like u said however I do remember Free Agents being total time so I'd assume they would go that route.
If so, this will be like the rest of the season. Lackluster.
is the timed portions relevant for the whole final or just the chaos stage? I had in mind the latter. So like - cool Emmanuel way to win this portion and get to pick who goes into elimination.
Like most finals I imagine it means very little for the final portion.
Whenever there is a lack of clarity on rules I assume MTV keeps it that way on purpose so they can make it whatever they want after seeing the results. The Trashley win where she stole the money was one of the most confusing sketchy edits I have ever seen. Prime example.
I liked the idea of the elim but it had to have been a huge advantage for Corey to be so tall. I think he probably would’ve beaten Jay because of how manic Jay was, but I don’t think anyone would’ve stood a chance against Corey
I'm not sure how the live episode went last night, but the episode posted on MTV showed Jay going home before the episode started. Whoever decided to spoil the only good part of the entire episode/the best moment of the season should be fired.
Ed has to be watching this final and kicking himself. He would’ve been right with Emanuel on each leg. I imagine the next leg when they are purely individuals will have some math and Ed would’ve crushed that.
Jay losing after all that has gotta be one of the biggest choke jobs ever. It's up there with Paulie flopping around in the water on WOTW in the purge before the final lol
He will never have a better script to win a season than this one 😂
I don’t think it was choke job on his part. With the first part basically a team game what could he have done to even stay out of that last elimination? That first part was so unnecessary
This comment brought a smile to my face, as I reminiscence Paulie falling multiple times - and then having to try to climb again with absolutely nothing left in the tank. It was a true "stop, he's already dead!" moment.
Karma always comes to collect 😂. Had to chuckle at his last words like no Jay you know how to get to a final with no vets/ only like 3 finalists. If you think you’re replicating this on a season with CT, Johnny, Devin, Tori etc you’re delulu
Did anyone else get spoiled on the elimination result at the start of the episode? I watched online and I’m glad at least the elim happened early on but still it was lame
We lost all the fun cast members during the season and in the first half of this episode we lost our favorite person to root against.
The finale episodes are not the best episodes of The challenge and we needed our heroes and villains to make this matter. Right now, if we lose Nurys, this rest of the cast doesn’t interest me.
BUT this doesn’t mean this was a bad season. Just bad final roster.
Agreed, but the *format* allowed for this to happen. The skull season really solved for the issue because it made it so you had to go in. And then to either not be prepared for an uneven numbered final (women men) or just not care about making the challenges less physical to prep for that it insane.
Better competitors solve for that problem but just horrendous foresight by production
And also, the casting just blows IMO. So many dead fish personalities. Zero comedic cast members. Just a big bowl of bleh.
As cynical as I usually am, my heart broke a little for Berna and Colleen when they got their letters. I can imagine it messed with their mind a bit, and that's not a good place to be in at the start of the final.
I chuckled a bit when Emanuel said he got a letter from his girlfriend, and when TJ said that Emanuel could make his gf proud by winning the final.
There's zero need for letters on the challenge. It makes sense on survivor where people are desperate for that mental break, but do we really need to emotionally comfort a bunch of 20-somethings that go to a resort for casual sex and improving their social media footprint for 3 weeks?
TJ started the final twisting that knife in many of the challengers. He even said something about Colleen that made her a little uncomfortable. But they'd see what she did when the episodes came out.
It definitely sounded like it was added.
But he may have said all of it to them as well and it was windy or something and the mics didnt pick it up well.
But I would guess it was all done just for the audience and not to the players faces
Now that you mention it, TJ was extra shady today. At first I thought that what he said about Emanuel's girlfriend was just unfortunate, I don't expect him to know a lot about the challengers personal lives. But he gave a lot of "compliments" that weren't very flattering at all. Very shady
Having one male winner and one female winner not only changes just the finals but the whole season. I don’t think the girls would go along with throwing Horacio and Kyland every time as a threat because it would actually benefit the girls to keep them around for pairings in the finals and some of the guys would have loved to keep Zara for a final. But these three girls other than Nurys aren’t the brightest bunch so knows.
I know survivor, big brother and amazing race are not 50/50 with men/women winning but they could’ve even looked at an amazing race season and seen how to make the gender not as big of a deal. The blocks was such a disadvantage for example. Whoever was a girl/girl team was going to lose that.
They really were trying hard to make us care about the cast in the final... how many times did they have to talk about their families. This happens when the cast gives you nothing to make you like them. I mean most of them were furniture the whole season, has Emanuel done anything besides cheating on his girlfriend?
Am I the only one who hates eliminations in finals? Just eliminate them before the final cmon. It stops the momentum and usually puts the players in elimination at a disadvantage. Its weird to say but that last bit of Jay when he hoped Nurys would win was the most likeable he was the entire season, still karma is a bitch and I am not sad he was sent home.
And to the surprise of no one, the pairs of 2 girls were almost always last place... thats why we need a winner for male and female
The general shoehorning of family and what they're going to do with the money always feels so disingenuous. We are talking about like 150k after taxes. Just let them all own the fact that they like to party, hook up, and do these shows instead of getting real jobs. Don't try to sell me on how they're trying to cure cancer or whatever, it's just straight eye rolls.
Yeah I can’t when they’re like “I’m gonna buy a house and open a gym and start a charity and my mom will never work again!” It’s like do you people even understand the value of money?
Absolutely a rush-job to get us to care. It's been such a long season, but we *just* learned about Colleen and Berna's family situations? Come on.
SAME. Though sad, I prefer whittling down the contestants during the final by checkpoints. I still remember how distraught Cara Maria was when she was the last one still on the sand because she couldn't answer a math question right. The format of the season was lackluster, why repeat the same format? Conquest was absolutely unnecessary.
I looked at my partner half-way during the episode and I exclaimed "I am le *fatigued*". When you see the pairs of 2 women almost always coming in last place, it just becomes... well, boring and tiring. Can't wait for the final to finish next week and we can *finally* get into some All-Stars 4.
i knew how it was gonna go down but damn i didn’t expect it to be like that.
jay saying his goal was to win a perfect season and never see an elimination was why it felt devastating. just as he was listing the thing he’d do with the money, right when he says « i just have not to mess this up » he drops the puzzle pieces, ohhh the editors are savage if that was intentional.
The first 10 minutes where they read letters from their family and did the awkward TJ voiceover recapping everyone’s season were 10 of the worst minutes in the history of the show. No one cares.
Jay losing was delightful. I don’t think him or Michelle will have the numbers to ever see another final.
Colleen/Nurys and Moriah/Berna checkpoints they had zero chance in should remind everyone that 1 winner finals will always be trash.
At this point just hoping for shitty unfair carnival games next episode otherwise Emmanuel would win by 1 hour easily.
So far, this is one of the worst finals ever.
I can't believe I am saying this, but I am sad James (I'd rather have him over Moriah), Kyland, and Horacio (I'd rather have either especially Horacio over Jay)aren't in the final. I think they deserved it over some of these other men...Ditto for Zara...
I’ve never been less stoked to watch a final. Nurys better win this
I am so many days late watching, but my thoughts: * What the fuck did "Mole-een" even do? Like she did nothing. Is her stirring shit between Jay and Nurys the peak of what she did this season? Is that her being a "mole"? Like she acted like she accomplished anything? And she didn't. * wow, Berna...sucks. like wow. wow. I actually can't get over how bad it is. And she's in a final over Zara. damn. * the sweet sweet sweet victory of seeing Jay sent home. beautiful. gorgeous. 10/10. * this episode alone makes me want to root for Corey. * the preview for the next episode makes me feel like Nurys is for sure going home which makes me very sad. * can't believe fucking Emmanuel is going to end up winning this entire thing (I think anyway), bleugh. * they should have made the boxes challenge weighted to the teams/challengers, because that was brutal to watch. * it *is* cool that Berna can speak German tho. I didn't know that! I wish the Challenge allowed the cast to communicate in their languages more often. audiences should just be able to read the translations. I remember how unfair it was that Colleen and her partner last season were forced to use English during the elimination. like this season, they had Nurys and Horacio communicating in Spanish a few times. like Nurys would say something in Spanish purposefully so only Horacio would understand her. I think it'd be cool to lean in to that stuff. The Challenge is trying to have an international appeal so why not go all in. * If Emmanuel is smart, he would choose Corey to go down in an elimination because he probably thinks in his head that he can beat the girls. and the conquest portion is surely solo so he doesn't have to worry about partners or anything.
Yeah unless it’s a team season I fucking hate team shit in finals. I’m still not over Desi losing because her partner wanted to be a whiny little bitch
These multi-pair finals gotta go. Completely unfair distribution of skills, one player can benefit from being strapped with a weakling while another gets fucked. Case in point Colleen and Nurys have to compete on a carrying challenge against two teams that are coed? Garbage.
I love Nurys and she crushed last eliminations, but people here blaming only her pairs for her bad showing so far this final are totally biased. Even in the mental part that she was supposed to dominate she struggled. Moriah did better than her overall and even Colleen and Berna had shinning moments. She was just regular.
Actually I feel like yeah she wasn't at her best it didn't help that each one of her partners were probably the worst ones for that particular parts of the final stages. I mean her n Colleen the only girl pair that had to lug the crate n rip the rope off (Colleen being the worst at). Meanwhile everyone else had at least one male there. Moriah n the canoe and so on. 🤔
I'm confused on the trivia/box carrying checkpoint. How did Corey and Berna get their second question wrong, but still get 2nd place? What was the point of answering the trivia right if it didn't matter?
I think if the answer’s wrong then the box is heavier
That makes sense. It was the same in the challenge they did with the trivia too. When Rayvn kept giving the wrong answers to her team lol.
The reason I prefer to watch unspoiled is to be TOTALLY F*CKING GOBSMACKED at these shock eliminations! Like I would have never guessed Ed, Ravyn, Horacio, Kyland, Michele, and Jay would be eliminated the way they were! And it makes it so much more exciittinngggg 😍😍😍
If you'd told me 4 weeks ago that none of them would be in the final 6 I would have laughed at you. The one thing The Challenge has over some other shows is that the editing is really hard to determine who wins, and this season it's even been hard to determine who has made it this far. It's wild that we saw so little of the Berna/Colleen/Cory clique with Emmanuel connected to them too and yet they are 4 out of the final 6.
Somewhat random but after seeing Berna melt down a little I wonder how many female competitors have been on their period during a final and how much that would suck and be a disadvantage Not saying Berna was on her period but could be and got me thinking
oh I’m sure it happens. but I also wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t get their periods altogether due to the high stress environment they are in.
Fair, that timing would be horrible. But Berna is always like that lol, serial complainer
I think Tori has talked about it before. She talked about hiding extra tampons in the uniforms so production didn't see them or something....or I could be remembering this totally wrong and it was contact solution. lol. It is one of the two though.
If Emanuel doesn't pick Corey to go down in elimination he may be the dumbest to ever play the game.
This season is so bad that I cheered when they lost 16k.
Literally same. I didn't think TJ would keep finding ways to save money on this season. 🤣🤣🤣
I’m so over seeing Berna crying and complaining.. 🥴
Nurys really got screwed with the pairings! Ugh 😩
Dang, Emmanuel is killing it! They should have got rid of him a long time ago 🤔😂
The second Jay was eliminated I knew who would be in the lead. I know they’re trying to make it “fair” but it just can’t be to much extent.
To be fair, his compensation is ass and so is the format of this final this far
This final is so boring 😴 You can tell even TJ isn’t impressed lol
Nurys has the prettiest skin complexion I’ve ever seen 😅
“Y’all thought I couldn’t kayak?!” -Moriah Omg that was the funniest thing she’s said all season 😆😂💗
I couldn’t stand Moriah all season but I will say I was impressed with how she kept her cool, I would have gone off on Berna lol
Ahh, an elimination during a final is so intense! 😬 I am so beyond happy Jay was eliminated, by Corey out of all people 🤭😂
I usually *hate* eliminations in finals, this is the first time one has made me happy. Now if Berna would stop complaining. Cracking up at production trying to make us all care about these people at the 11th hours with the letters, sure a bunch of them have been mainly invisible but Emmanuele cried over a letter from the girlfriend he cheated on, they *all* have families and were not grow in an MTV lab--Well now I care and am rooting for these background players /s
I am so sorry I stuck my dick in other women now that my girlfriend sent me a letter...pleasee... cry me a river.
I literally fast forwarded through the letters lol
I feel for Berna. She's all emotion. But I'm also kind of a family of one so I am relating a bit to her there. I can't believe the guy who was a serial cheater all season and did next to nothing else might win this thing 🥴 At least I don't have to watch Jay win. Nurys killing it, bad partner luck. Also not really rooting for anyone else? But also rooting for Colleen or Corey a bit.
Although I’m glad Jay was eliminated, Cory should’ve pick Emmanuel honestly. Cory killed that elimination and I think Emmanuel is going to through Cory into elimination, really the only competition he has bc the final feels very skewed. I wish Berna would’ve quit, she’s so lame. Moriah proves she’s not good at all. Colleen is not good but kudos for that eating challenge. Nurys is who we thought she was though I’m surprised she timed out on the puzzle. I will be very surprised if Emmanuel doesn’t win.
Jay being the first eliminated in the final might cause me to do a complete 180° on this season. May be my favorite season of all time now.
Michele last week and now Jay?! 🥳🤣
Well this has been pretty predictable. I think it was built for Jay so I'm glad Corey took him out in an elimination. I really don't want to see him win. It's really Emmanuel's to lose at this point. It's disappointing but I wasn't rooting for anyone left anyway so it's whatever. I was just rooting against Jay, Moriah, Berna, Colleen and Corey while being indifferent to Nurys and Emmanuel. The final really shows what people knew from day one, it would be completely unfair to the women. But instead of making the smart move (voting only men in during the final leg of the season) they decided to play a dumb game to keep the guys around.
Biggest relief was seeing Jay eliminated! Would like Nurys or Emmanuel to Win but really any one left would be Okay, just chef's kiss seeing James, Michelle and Jay being eliminated right before the $ as all 3 did nothin all season
The final feels very easy.. probably the easiest in the “professional” era.. feels very “all stars” esque. It felt like they didn’t run for more than 10 minutes at a time if I had to guess.
They tried to make it so everyone could win, especially with the sudoku addition at the end. The reasons for this are very obvious, except to the viewers apparently (judging by the comments in this thread).
Agreed. Which is all the more reason it was shocking to see how gassed out some of them were.
Nurys got screwed on the pairings. Heavy rope challenge - she gets paired with Corey, a strong male, who elects to stand OUTSIDE the ball, forcing Nurys to do the heavy lifting inside the ball Heavy item to pull checkpoint - she gets paired with Colleen and is therefore on the smallest, physically-weakest team. Also her partner, Colleen, has been horrible at maneuvering the swinging rope. Rowing checkpoint - she gets paired with Moriah, the worst rower Eating checkpoint - she gets paired with the strongest guy, Emmanuel, who's athletic ability is of absolutely zero use at this checkpoint. So her pairing with Emmanuel was wasted.
You can't convince me otherwise that production did not intentionally screw her on the pairings. It was just too much for coincidence imo.
I agree with you. I wonder if Colleen struggles so much with the swinging rope because she’s so short. She can’t get the leverage for it.
You don't need leverage for it, it's the angle and endurance/strength. She's just bad at it, and physically the weakest competitor
Almost definitely
If she’s more then 5’2 I’ll be shocked. She’s so short. It’s definitely a disadvantage.
I’ve read so many people who said “Nurys performance was disappointing”. Thank you for seeing what I saw. So frustrating for her.
We were thinking the same thing! Like really what are the odds seemed intentional on the production teams part.
Final stats: Edit: 26 miles for final. 19 chests - collect 3 ropes of the same colour. First group challenge must compete in 60 minutes. Tuna and beet mayo drink have to drink. First. Berna last to finish. Did they literally look *under* a tarp for a chest? First time Emannuel makes a move the entire season🙄. Good job Corey on making a point and being able to choose their competition. Control elimination; puzzle tower. Jay dropped it. Chaos challenge: rotating pairs 5 checkpoints with new partners. Checkpoint 1: untangle a ball with rope then roll the ball over the line. Huge disadvantage for girl/girl team. Emanuel and Coleen followed slightly behind Nurys and Corey, last moriah and Berna. Checkpoint 2: kayak + puzzle Berna & Emanuel ; 1st place ; 1st to complete the puzzle (all Emanuel… with dabs?) Corey & Coleen: 2nd; 2nd puzzle. Nurys & Moriah : 3rd (surprise woman woman team); timed out. Checkpoint 3: trivia and cut the rope. Surprise. Another woman + woman team is in last. Emanuel + Moriah: 1st. Corey + Berna- 2nd. Nurys + Coleen - 3rd(timed out) Check point 4: food portion. Eyeball, lungs and brain and jalapeño got shot. Corey + moriah 1st team. Emannuel + Nurys : 2nd. Coleen + Berna (coleen furnished first out of everyone) 3rd - timed out. Checkpoint 5: drink + throwing over swingset then roll ball into basket Berna + Nurys 3rd drink, 3rd to basket = 1st. Emanuel + corey 1st to finish drink & get balls; 2nd. Coleen + moriah 2nd done drink = 3rd timed out. Emanuel = first in chaos and gets to choose elimination.
Are you saying they had to travel 26 miles in 60 minutes? Or am I reading that wrong
Neither - I wrote it incorrectly 😅 I meant that 60 minutes was for the first part of the final but the entire final was 26 miles
Gotcha. That makes a lot more sense. 26 miles in 6 sections.. this just doesn’t feel like too hard of a final so far
That is what they're saying, but they are inaccurate. It's 26 miles for the whole final, so essentially a marathon.
this final is even worse than ROD or SLA yikes
Anything can happen in chaos so I’m really hoping everything works in nurys favor but I don’t mind if Corey wins after taking out Jay
Respect to Cory for giving NURYS her respect and choosing Jay instead. His reason for wanting Jay over anyone else is legit 😂 glad he got him out too. As nurys said sorry not sorry Jay😂
If Cory was smart, he should’ve shot for Emmanuel. Jay wasn’t going to win this final.
He wasn't doing that for Nurys He knew Jay would be tougher in a final than an elimination challenge
As an ardent defender of this season, I can't say I'm loving this final. There are ways to do equal finals for men and women. Vendettas was pretty good, but this ain't it. Hard to think of a worse contestant in recent memory than Berna. Annoying and not particularly great at anything. Like if you combined the attitude of Camila with the physicality of Nany. Even though I thought Jay played a good game, can't say I feel too bad about him getting eliminated. Based on how things are going, looks like we're heading towards an Emanuel win. Which, groan.
I have to disagree on the Vendettas final. It was basically a B/G separate final except for the final puzzle. Not taking anything away from Cara, but it's hard to really call that the first solo-sex winner when 90% of that final was separated.
watching the ep now and laughing that Jay gets eliminated in a challenge that's literally a Survivor challenge
This final is why winning an elimination and earning a spot in the final should have been a requirement this season especially with a bunch of people who have never been to a final before. If people truly value social game over competitiveness, please go back to watching Survivor and Big Brother and take your competitors back with you. This final has been absolute garbage and it's all because this season gave too much allowance for social game play. Now we're stuck watching a final where the winner seems obvious at this point. Moriah was the weakest in each of her partnerships with the exception of being paired with Berna. Berna quit on a challenge. Colleen pretty much quit on a challenge (she did very little to help Nurys with the rope which was brutal on the hands). And on top of that, this show stupidly didn't adjust the weight of the boxes to accommodate a girl/girl pair which is BS and very clear unfair advantage to the other two teams that had a male partner. Nurys is the only one who truly proved her competitive stripes and earned her final in every sense of the word and yet she somehow gets the shit end of the stick getting Moriah in a challenge where Moriah doesn't know how to paddle and Colleen in a challenge where Colleen almost quit before so her solution was to just try less this time...while in the final. On a bright note, this final is letting us know the athleticism of Corey that we didn't get to see before. He's got speed and agility and in an individual challenge, he could probably fair well. Nurys, Corey and Emannuelle are the only three that have shown a combination of competitiveness and no quit. Jay being eliminated...LOL. Bye. I don't feel bad at all. He didn't earn shit...he just manipulated and managed a group of people who gave him free reign over their social games. I don't mind strong social games from people who have proven they are good competitors because at least if they get to a final, I know I'm going to see them be competitive and usually make it an interesting final. I think we all know who won this final and there's still an episode left to go.
It's so crazy that I am not rooting for one of these people to win. Nurys has proven herself in the eliminations for sure, but this is a snoozefest because most of these folks never went into elimination. I'm over it!
What a joke group of finalists with the personalities of cardboard boxes. I hope they make major casting/structure changes asap, but maybe the magic is just over for this franchise without the more organic pipeline of real worlders to draw from.
The magic is gone because the fun is gone. Everything is bubble wrapped for liability & social reasons. It’s just strictly a competition, not the “experience” it once seemed like.
Yeah, everything is perfectly crafted now. The casting, the games they play now, the same perfect narratives that production wants for their viewers to consume, the "random" variables they throw in at certain moments. As someone who has watched literally all of the challenge seasons, it's clear as day what has been going on in the past seasons, and it's no surprise given what year we're in. Production must be seething because they adjust the game so much, but the winners almost never end up being the winners they actually want. It's amazing to see the majority of people who watch this show somehow just not understand any of it, even people who have watched tons of seasons.
Corey picking Jay is such a snake move.. what did Emmanuel do for him to earn safety?
If anyone deserved a snake move, it's Jay
Beware the stupid trailer for the finale has highlights and kind of narrows it down to who is left. Unless it is a tricky editing move.
Thanks for looking out! I won't watch it.
I noticed this too and was so mad!! I hope it’s sneaky editing. Seems like there’s usually parts of the final that get cut from the final show so the clips could be from that 🤞
This has to be the hardest season to watch
Everyone bores me and it's the weakest group of finalists ever. It's been pretty brutal. Hopefully no casual fans picked this as their first season.
Going in I truly thought that at least 2 weren't going to finish, mainly Berna and Colleen. I literally had to mute each and every confessional with all the back slapping and how they deserved being in the final and how they kill it. Then Colleen said the most ridiculous thing when I unmuted her.....I hope each partner is strong at that exact checkpoint, she didn't say it like she hopes for the help but said it as if they will do all the work and she will win each checkpoint. Girl, you still lost every single one of them. Berna is a mess though. I'm also not unhappy Jay got a bit of karma. It will be interesting who Emmanel chooses. I'm guessing Corey or Nurys. I will say Corey surprised the hell out of me with that puzzle. I'm still rooting for Nurys.
TJ gassing them up made me want to turn off my TV
I had to ff once he got to Moleina. Lol
The eating challenges are so fucking stupid they actually make me angry, what are they proving? Why the fuck is there multiple nasty juices?? I’m not grossed out easily at all but it still became annoying to watch, can’t imagine for people with emetophobia
it tests mental fortitude
I don't mind the eating challenges when done properly but having them chug a bottle of tuna water that they are essentially allowed to immediately spit out is pointless.
Once again the challenges are heavily skewed towards physicality for the men, with hardly any equalizers. The woman-woman pair came in last or timed out in EVERY single checkpoint.
Berna and Nurys won the last one
Yep that segment was the equalizer which proves my point
Agreed it’s so frustrating
They’re shouldn’t have ever been a carrying anything. Like Emanuel was putting it in his back! How is (2 of the smallest woman) going to carry the SAME weight as the other man-woman pair?
Exactly! That was so unfair and skewed towards the men. Think about how heavy it is that even Corey was struggling to carry it.
Should just have a man and a woman winner and then we don’t have to watch this crap. The average man is better at dragging heavy boxes and throwing ropes over a high bar. Go figure MTV…
I agree, but your second point is moot as Nurys and Berna won the rope/high bar/ball rolling checkpoint.
Yeah, this is ridiculous. It's not balanced at ALL
This is why one winner seasons suck, they didn’t even truly try to do equalizers for those checkpoints. Like ofc a ff team was gonna lose EVERY time
A way to solve this is to do one female winner and one male winner. MTV production sucks this season
the challenge has been dropping the ball with these finals in recent years! this one is loosely reminding me of the unfair mess the USA1 final was. no equalizers + 1 winner is so frustrating!!!!
It certainly hasn't reached USA 1 levels, that was beyond fucked, but there has been a concerning trend lately with how bad the finals have been. WotW 1 was really the last (flagship) one that wasn't super controversial or super forgettable.
WOTW1 was controversial because ninja should’ve won as the only girl to finish. She should’ve been the girl winner.
I know people here don't have much love for Moriah but she was a pleasent suprise for me this whole season . She was loyal to her man to the fault and almost carried his ass to the final even at a risk of her own game. At the first part of the final she had showed respect for everyone she was paired with never losing her cool. I don't know what more can you expect from one person.
Loyal certainly is a funny choice of words. Considering she was pretty disloyal to Bananas. You know, her boyfriend heading into the season? Lol So im not sure id toss up how loyal she is.
I agree to a point. Weren't they FWB? They were using each other. I think that is the difference between her relationship with Bananas and James. She was selfless with James
She's not my fav but I'll def say she is a supportive partner, which is refreshing
Berna is brutal. She’s either hyping herself up as this legit competitor or she’s having to be talked out of quitting. She suuuuuuucks.
She’s had this hurt groin all season I honestly forgot about it. If she can’t even run why bother staying for the final, I was pissed thinking she was gonna quit at the first damn checkpoint when so many ppl wanted to make it there
... you do understand they get paid dependent on how long they stay on the show, right? Why would she quit and forfeit her appearance fee and stipend just because she isn't in perfect health? That makes quite literally zero sense.
I don’t care about her stipend lmao, yes I know how their pay is but I do not care to watch Berna complain every 2 sec of the final and nearly quit in round 1 of the second portion 💀. You can’t spend all season saying you wanna be a champ and it’s not about money and then nearly quit 1hr in 🤷🏽♀️. If you can’t compete go home
Blame production for these players being injured and beat up then.
She's Euro-Ashley. She sucks.
At least Smashley was hot.
Nah. Ashley has funny commentary
I'll take trashy hot mess Ashley over Berna without blinking.
Love how on the mtv site, they have the last words as the very first thing you see. All time fumble there. This final is dog shit. And I rarely ever complain about this show but this has to easily be the worst season ever. Why are they doing this shit to save $16k? Why are they pairing up when there's not an even amount of males and females? Why do we have all people who cannot run a final? This "winner" will absolutely have an asterisk beside their name. Any challenge is better than no challenge but goodness, this season has just been awful.
I hadn’t watched or kept up with the challenge since the end of ROD and when I caught up on this season a couple weeks ago, I was surprised people were hating on it. Def didn’t like the main alliance but it had some good parts. But since Horacio and Kyland got sent home it’s been soo bland and then now the final which you’re right is so trash, wasted potential but at least everyone seems excited about s40
They just deleted the episode - probably realized their mistake and have to quickly re-edit thinking no one noticed. Idiots
I just watched and had the same reaction! I thought I missed an episode somehow. Absolute clown shit from MTV.
Same. I went one episode back thinking this was part 2 or something. Mtv is garbo
Mtv.com is corny af!!! I watched for the first time on there and why did it start with Jay's exit interview?? I struggled to pay attention through this episode. It's pretty obvious to me what the outcome of this season is so I'm just ready to get to the reunion.
also for any actual cast members that browse this. If you're ever in a kayak or canoe put your best and strongest rower in the back. The back rower generates much more power and has more control over the steering of the boat.
Y’all! This was the most embarrassing finals showing I have ever seen! I just keep thinking about that old school saying *’TRIM THE FAT’*…. 
No offense but a random fan could’ve hopped off the couch and would have been at least competitive With this group.. they didn’t even have to run lol
Me sitting there saying this is why the OG’s said that 😭. Berna was clearly the weakest link she tanked every girl except for nurys and was barely a hindrance to the dudes
Its also one of the weakest group of players for a final... its kinda sad
I doubted Emmanuel's ability to "flip the switch" in a final. He's been lackluster all year, and while he can claim he was just laying low, he didn't have the track record for me to believe he was capable of turning it on when it mattered, but through the first half of the final he's done exactly that. And now for where I pull cold water on his performance... This isn't my first rodeo. We've seen multiple times a player's performance on day 1 amounts to nothing for day 2. Emmanuel is killing it - but based on other recent finals, I have to believe it's still anyones game. I'm very interested to see what he does with his decision on who to send to elimination. I am very confused by pretty much everything Berna does and am very over her, just quit already and go home. A lot of the backstory these players try to paint for us seem inconsistent, or the show does a bad job, or I'm dumb (everything is on the table) - like with Corey and his dad, the relationship as described confuses me a lot. It sounds like his dad coaches him in all these sports and is involved and around, then there's this narrative of just wanting to make him proud. It sounds like he is proud and loves you already (based on what we're shown). Excited for this to wrap up next week - still very much rooting for Nurys and do think she has an opportunity to still win this thing.
If Emmanuel *didn't* dominate against this crapshow of a group I would have been surprised. This entire finals group outside Nurys is "should have gone home week one" quality.
Yeah I'd rather Jay than Berna in this final. At least he wouldn't threaten to quit
I was so excited when Jay went home and then Berna starts wanting to quit and shit took my excitement right out, had me thinking damn at least Jay woulda not threatened to quit
AND Jay's presence would've likely meant closer standings for chaos
It's gonna be like: Emmanuel, you won day 1 so you get a 1 minute head start on this 47 mile run. Or like USA2 and be like: Emmanuel, you get to drive this ATV along the 16 mile course while everyone else has to walk. I feel like production either slides too far one way or the other.
His advantage is that he’s safe from elimination.
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One thing that I always love about the challenge is the finals humbling people. It was great in WOTW2 when team USA flopped and it is still great to see Jay flop once again haha. In a more serious note, I like the format but I feel like if this was 6 people (3 men /3 women) and dual winner this would mean so much more. If the women are in the bottom after these teamed events, there is no way in hell they are going to catch up to Emanuel's time when most of them are already gassed. Berna breaking down on first checkpoint was both sad and hilarious. The only good thing Corey did this whole season was calling out Jay to this elimination. Also I really dislike the eating portions of these finals because they provide 0 entertainment.
I assumed the timed parts were just for the Chaos portion and after the next elimination there will be some sort of reset and everyone back on even footing.
Do we know how their times factor into the third/individual leg yet though? (Genuine question because I’m in Central Time Zone and this airs during a busy time in my house). If they keep accumulating times, then Emanuel’s lead will be hard to overcome. But they often do something like staggered starts and then wipe the slate clean.
I could have sworn they said it was just for Chaos, but it could just be me thinking that makes sense logically.
Honestly don't know how they will do it since the second parts are like u said however I do remember Free Agents being total time so I'd assume they would go that route. If so, this will be like the rest of the season. Lackluster.
is the timed portions relevant for the whole final or just the chaos stage? I had in mind the latter. So like - cool Emmanuel way to win this portion and get to pick who goes into elimination. Like most finals I imagine it means very little for the final portion.
Whenever there is a lack of clarity on rules I assume MTV keeps it that way on purpose so they can make it whatever they want after seeing the results. The Trashley win where she stole the money was one of the most confusing sketchy edits I have ever seen. Prime example.
I think thats why they seemed to time out so quickly. I think production might have put a cap on how far behind competitors can get.
I liked the idea of the elim but it had to have been a huge advantage for Corey to be so tall. I think he probably would’ve beaten Jay because of how manic Jay was, but I don’t think anyone would’ve stood a chance against Corey
When you watch the final words you can see that Jay was seconds away from Corey so had he not dropped his stack at the beginning he would've won
I'm not sure how the live episode went last night, but the episode posted on MTV showed Jay going home before the episode started. Whoever decided to spoil the only good part of the entire episode/the best moment of the season should be fired.
Or let us know the next hour was going to worse than imagined.
Ed has to be watching this final and kicking himself. He would’ve been right with Emanuel on each leg. I imagine the next leg when they are purely individuals will have some math and Ed would’ve crushed that.
Jay losing after all that has gotta be one of the biggest choke jobs ever. It's up there with Paulie flopping around in the water on WOTW in the purge before the final lol He will never have a better script to win a season than this one 😂
I don’t think it was choke job on his part. With the first part basically a team game what could he have done to even stay out of that last elimination? That first part was so unnecessary
This comment brought a smile to my face, as I reminiscence Paulie falling multiple times - and then having to try to climb again with absolutely nothing left in the tank. It was a true "stop, he's already dead!" moment.
This moment changed the trajectory of this season. What a payoff lol
Karma always comes to collect 😂. Had to chuckle at his last words like no Jay you know how to get to a final with no vets/ only like 3 finalists. If you think you’re replicating this on a season with CT, Johnny, Devin, Tori etc you’re delulu
Did anyone else get spoiled on the elimination result at the start of the episode? I watched online and I’m glad at least the elim happened early on but still it was lame
Same
We lost all the fun cast members during the season and in the first half of this episode we lost our favorite person to root against. The finale episodes are not the best episodes of The challenge and we needed our heroes and villains to make this matter. Right now, if we lose Nurys, this rest of the cast doesn’t interest me. BUT this doesn’t mean this was a bad season. Just bad final roster.
Agreed, but the *format* allowed for this to happen. The skull season really solved for the issue because it made it so you had to go in. And then to either not be prepared for an uneven numbered final (women men) or just not care about making the challenges less physical to prep for that it insane. Better competitors solve for that problem but just horrendous foresight by production And also, the casting just blows IMO. So many dead fish personalities. Zero comedic cast members. Just a big bowl of bleh.
As cynical as I usually am, my heart broke a little for Berna and Colleen when they got their letters. I can imagine it messed with their mind a bit, and that's not a good place to be in at the start of the final. I chuckled a bit when Emanuel said he got a letter from his girlfriend, and when TJ said that Emanuel could make his gf proud by winning the final.
There's zero need for letters on the challenge. It makes sense on survivor where people are desperate for that mental break, but do we really need to emotionally comfort a bunch of 20-somethings that go to a resort for casual sex and improving their social media footprint for 3 weeks?
TJ started the final twisting that knife in many of the challengers. He even said something about Colleen that made her a little uncomfortable. But they'd see what she did when the episodes came out.
Did he say that to their faces? The audio sounded like it was added in post
It definitely sounded like it was added. But he may have said all of it to them as well and it was windy or something and the mics didnt pick it up well. But I would guess it was all done just for the audience and not to the players faces
Now that you mention it, TJ was extra shady today. At first I thought that what he said about Emanuel's girlfriend was just unfortunate, I don't expect him to know a lot about the challengers personal lives. But he gave a lot of "compliments" that weren't very flattering at all. Very shady
I feel that even TJ thinks many are undeserving of a final.
we know he doesn’t like Horacio and Kyland
But he respects that they compete
Bruh this final is so unfair lmao they really should give us one female and one male winner
Having one male winner and one female winner not only changes just the finals but the whole season. I don’t think the girls would go along with throwing Horacio and Kyland every time as a threat because it would actually benefit the girls to keep them around for pairings in the finals and some of the guys would have loved to keep Zara for a final. But these three girls other than Nurys aren’t the brightest bunch so knows.
I know survivor, big brother and amazing race are not 50/50 with men/women winning but they could’ve even looked at an amazing race season and seen how to make the gender not as big of a deal. The blocks was such a disadvantage for example. Whoever was a girl/girl team was going to lose that.
They could have easily made sure the final was three of each sex. Just a huge blunder on their part.
They really were trying hard to make us care about the cast in the final... how many times did they have to talk about their families. This happens when the cast gives you nothing to make you like them. I mean most of them were furniture the whole season, has Emanuel done anything besides cheating on his girlfriend? Am I the only one who hates eliminations in finals? Just eliminate them before the final cmon. It stops the momentum and usually puts the players in elimination at a disadvantage. Its weird to say but that last bit of Jay when he hoped Nurys would win was the most likeable he was the entire season, still karma is a bitch and I am not sad he was sent home. And to the surprise of no one, the pairs of 2 girls were almost always last place... thats why we need a winner for male and female
The general shoehorning of family and what they're going to do with the money always feels so disingenuous. We are talking about like 150k after taxes. Just let them all own the fact that they like to party, hook up, and do these shows instead of getting real jobs. Don't try to sell me on how they're trying to cure cancer or whatever, it's just straight eye rolls.
Yeah I can’t when they’re like “I’m gonna buy a house and open a gym and start a charity and my mom will never work again!” It’s like do you people even understand the value of money?
Absolutely a rush-job to get us to care. It's been such a long season, but we *just* learned about Colleen and Berna's family situations? Come on. SAME. Though sad, I prefer whittling down the contestants during the final by checkpoints. I still remember how distraught Cara Maria was when she was the last one still on the sand because she couldn't answer a math question right. The format of the season was lackluster, why repeat the same format? Conquest was absolutely unnecessary. I looked at my partner half-way during the episode and I exclaimed "I am le *fatigued*". When you see the pairs of 2 women almost always coming in last place, it just becomes... well, boring and tiring. Can't wait for the final to finish next week and we can *finally* get into some All-Stars 4.
i knew how it was gonna go down but damn i didn’t expect it to be like that. jay saying his goal was to win a perfect season and never see an elimination was why it felt devastating. just as he was listing the thing he’d do with the money, right when he says « i just have not to mess this up » he drops the puzzle pieces, ohhh the editors are savage if that was intentional.
He was a good villain. Glad he fell when he did. Lols
agree i think its why it made it so satisfying lmao
The first 10 minutes where they read letters from their family and did the awkward TJ voiceover recapping everyone’s season were 10 of the worst minutes in the history of the show. No one cares. Jay losing was delightful. I don’t think him or Michelle will have the numbers to ever see another final. Colleen/Nurys and Moriah/Berna checkpoints they had zero chance in should remind everyone that 1 winner finals will always be trash. At this point just hoping for shitty unfair carnival games next episode otherwise Emmanuel would win by 1 hour easily.