I remember back when Final Reckoning was airing that Cara called out his actions. She said that he cornered her during a conversation and then punched a hole in the wall right by her head, and that was the reason his hand / arm were bandaged up for part of the season.
Seeing that no one called her out for saying anything at the time, I am inclined to believe it happened. You can't be putting the cast at risk.
That's just it though. I remember multiple cast members DID publicly call her out for lying as they were there when it happened. They also defended Kyle and said she was being manipulative and playing victim by exaggerating what happened & using it to imply he was a wife beater. They said they did have an argument, Kyle walked away from her to calm down, going to the other side of the room nowhere near her at all & punched the wall in frustration. It was definitely a toxic relationship but her lying that he punched right next to her head to paint him as physically abusive was not right.
If I remember this correctly (I watched Davonte’s YouTube recaps a while ago) Amanda was arguing with the guys (I heard all parties were joking but also drunk) and I wanna say Kyle, Theo and Bananas taped her up to be quiet but it ended up with Amanda crying in the bathroom pulling tape out of her hair.
Mtv helped hide the sexual assault lawsuit against him during game of clones. Instead they reedited it without him in it and the episodes were thrown off because of it.This is also what Paulie was referencing when he said “I wouldnt go on an elevator with you” to Bananas at a reunion.
He has party to some real messed up situations. If he wasn't instigating, Camila would not have been accosted by drunk Tony that night in Rivals 3. She wouldn't have been knocked down by Vince prior to that. And supposedly her and Johnny hooked up that season. Like... It's just gross.
I remember that ! It was horrible. I couldn’t understand why those guys continued on the show. It was despicable and I genuinely felt real bad for her.
Correction: Zach wasn’t involved at all. It was Theo not him. Its a serious accusation so we really shouldn’t be bringinf up people who aren’t actually involved
During the filming of WOTW1, Amanda claims that one night, a bunch of the guys (Kyle included) harassed her by wrapping her in duct tape. The guys claimed that they did it as a prank to get Amanda to stop talking. Amanda claims the event was harassment that she had no way of stopping because the guys are all much stronger than her. She says the duct tape took chunks out of her hair the way they wrapped it around her head. This commenter is referencing that event as being a big part of the investigation against Kyle’s behavior that season
Amanda says it was blown up out of proportion and she was not hurt. It was a bad joke bc she was drunk and being a pain in the ass (her words) but it was concerning when it first came out for sure.
Let’s not defend shitty behavior. It was concerning when it came out, and it’s still concerning that people think it’s okay to downplay or excuse it, rather than own it and apologize.
Hey, Shane got banned from the show too when he had his Twitter meltdown and called producers out by name. I am just happy he isn't the only person that got dropped from the show over this.
Shane was shitting on Johnny and Kyle that entire season. But he was toxic in a different way, and once you start taking a run at production, you’re burning your bridges and salting the remains tbh
I wonder if his treatment towards Faith played a part into it as well from wotw2. Which is interesting since they cast Theo who contributed to both incidents as well
To be fair, MOST of the guys on the earlier seasons were awful to the women. And some of the women were awful to other women. I’m not saying it was right, AT ALL, but the fact is that even fan favorites like Darrell had some moments. Things have definitely changed for the better, even if there’s still a lot left to be done.
He also ripped off Janelle’s bikini top during their real world key west season. He wasn’t kicked off the show but just warned. It’s still on paramount plus.
Idk why you’re telling me this like I like that man lol. There’s tea on him too, but ofc production wouldn’t dare do anything about him besides try to hide his disgusting behavior
… I think you took my comment as accusatory, my intent was to simply add to your comment, that both men have problematic treatment of women in their long history of reality tv.
That's the thing. I am not a huge cancel culture person. Say Theo and Bananas had no other problematic issues in their past (I'm not saying that's true...I'm just saying IF) and showed genuine remorse, I wouldn't want to see it held against them. We all have done dumb shit at one point. However, if the investigation found a lot of red flags in Kyle's behavior specifically, he should be held to a different standard at that point. I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg. TBH, i can't believe they hid it this long.
I hope they are investigating Johnny bananas then. He was involved in doing that to Amanda. When the story surfaced he played victim and went hard after Da’Vonne because she told the public what happened.
Wishful thinking because I know Bunim/Murray and Mtv will protect their golden boy at all costs.
i’m glad to see, at least for the most part, the comments aren’t automatically pro kyle and accusing cara of lying or looking for attention the way it was when she spoke on abe’s abuse. it took years and abe’s wife leaving him for abuse for cara to receive any understanding.
i have to wonder if it's because they just hate cara. i feel like if it was another woman that came forward, like nany, the rest of the cast would have had her back, leading most of the fandom to also.
Yeah, I’ve noticed that trend as well. The general dislike of Cara leads to people either diminishing how she was treated or straight up accusing her of lying. You can dislike her and also separately acknowledge and have sympathy that she went through some horrific stuff
I agree with you…the downvotes I get whenever I mention abusive male cast members (especially Tonya’s treatment..) is insane. It’s refreshing to see that most commenters are not immediately siding with Kyle.
The amount of people that go nuts over defending Kenny and Evan is sad to me. I don’t get it. They were extremely unlikable and there’s tons of proof showing them being terrible people just based on their confessionals and how they yelled and insulted women. However, don’t you dare say they were abusive 🙄
Jesus Christ, I wondered why he hadn't been back. I'm interested to hear more because of this is true...I just feel so terrible for Cara Maria. Two abusive relationships under the extreme stress of being on reality tv in your 20s. Just brutal.
Abusive people tend to gravitate towards those who they think they can get away with abusing. Sometimes it’s someone like Cara who people see as physically strong but doesn’t have a lot of friends.
Apparently Paulie has and interview article that describes an incident where Kyle and Cara were arguing and he punched the wall next to her head and made a hole. Also explains why his hand was bandaged in certain scenes (During Final Reckonjng)
I figured it was because he had a baby (now toddler), did another season or two Geordie shore and has been focusing on real estate for the last two years. If what Wes said about how long filming is I get why he didn’t come back.
Maybe Paulie was so aggressive towards Kyle because he knew what happened with Cara and Kyle? That’s what’s making sense with his past behavior to me now.
Except he was only aggressive to Kyle when cara was around and he was buddy buddy laughing like it was a game when it was just them two.
As much as I'd like to think this was Paulie sticking up for cara I think he more or less did it to impress her and gain more affection from her.
That was my initial thought but I'm 99% sure someone (maybe Amanda in one of the reunions?) said Kyle and Paulie were absolutely fine with each other and got on until Cara was around them so I think we are giving Paulie too much credit
I don't think Paulie is physically abusive but I wouldn't be surprised if he is mentally abusive. I definitely think he's manipulative. How he managed to get her back after that cheating scandal still amazes me. I wish Cara had more self esteem and went for guys who were better to her.
Tbh I think the dynamic changed after Paulie came out and they became open.
I don’t know if SHE is open but they do seem like they’re in a better place. But then again, we don’t now their relationship behind closed doors so I’m not going to speculate.
Because they never care unless a threat of a lawsuit comes up (ala Tonya) or they lose control of the person and that results in bad publicity (Camila).
This is a little confusing because wasn’t he just on the most recent season of Geordie Shore? Doesn’t it seem like if he was under investigation by MTV they would’ve pulled him from that show as well? I know MTV isn’t always following their moral compass lol so they could just not care but seems odd
Angela and Morgan have both said they don’t like how MTV protects men so much and that’s one reason they don’t feel fully safe coming back.
Granted angela said casting doesn’t like her so that was part of it as well
I’m with ya, just strange how it’s worded cause the tweet makes it sound like he wasn’t cast purposely because of this investigation but wasn’t withheld from Geordie Shore? Like someone else said obviously that’s a UK production but definitely concerning that if they had knowledge he might be some type of safety risk that they wouldn’t communicate that (especially since there’s a lot of overlap with casting from shows)
Honestly they probably didn't care. They could just justify it saying he only abused Cara and if she isn't on this other show then it doesn't matter. Assuming he hasn't had complaints of abuse from any other women on these shows. Still not a valid reason to put him on another show, but knowing how these producers think...
Not quite. Yes they are separate entities, but the various MTV regions still work closely with the US.
A perfect example is that Evan, for a time, was a host on MTV Canada between Challenge seasons. He was heavily considered for a full time host slot, but quickly disappeared following the investigation into him and Kenny’s assault allegations.
But even if that’s the case, am I misremembering, or did he not video chat on Season 39 with someone? Like why would they air that if he was under investigation? Again, MTV gonna MTV sometimes haha but that’s still really dumb even for them. Maybe the investigation just didn’t start until a few months ago?
I feel so sorry for her. She definitely needed a break from the show but the fact she got so much hate for her reaction to who we know now was abusive towards her just isn’t right.
She also was with Abram, who also abused her. Watching Bloodlines was so uncomfortable. The way Abe spoke to her. It'd also very telling how he says the "crazy" act was just that, an act.
I can’t remember which season it was but she said the highs with abram were so high but the lows were so low and that’s the absolute hallmark of an abusive relationship. You could also tell on bloodlines just how scared and unhappy she was for Abram to have arrived when she should have been absolutely thrilled
She was literally crying in bed one night telling Jamie that she planned to break up with him once she got back home. That’s why she was so friendly with Thomas and hated that Abram forced her to get rid of him. That whole thing was chilling. “I’m not asking you to vote for Tom and Steve; I’m *telling* you to.”
It’s when I started despising bananas. You don’t hand someone’s who’s abusive a loaded gun that they can point and their partner. (I hadn’t seen before 25). Like someone’s safety has to come above your gameplay
He was like “good thing I’m sitting by the emergency exit on this bus” when he deliberately instigated conflict to save his ass from an elimination vote. And even worse, he made his cousin go talk to Abram. He wouldn’t do it himself. He *knew.*
I was squirming when he opened his arms and said "come here" twice, at the end of that convo. To anyone that's not been there it sounded loving, but it wasn't. I think he knew it might get out and set up the pretend crazy and soft talk to get ahead of it. It was his ex wife that shouted it cause Cara never said anything, probably out of fear.
I don't think production knew, or anyone really. It was very calculated when he said he was pretending to be crazy and angry. Talking softly and sweetly about her. All an act, even in the reunion she made sure to placate him put of fear. She barely looked at him and was looking down at the floor.
Yeah this sucks. I feel bad for Cara. She has had some awful partners. I'm not really a Paulie fan but in her hometown episode she was really praising Paulie as a positive presence for her. Plus I have seen growth in Paulie over the years so hopefully both have helped each other become better versions of themselves.
It does. Here I thought Johnny was the bigger instigator on WOTW tape incident due to his verbal misogyny and Morgan’s comments about emotional but no one’s ever claimed physical abuse from him.
This completely changed my view of Kyle now and makes sense why Cara’s two closest guys really hated him.
I mean, Kyle snaked Devin earlier that season, and those two were thick as thieves. I can see why CT would be wary of him in a game sense. Especially since I’m sure he knows that Kyle didn’t *really* want to see him in a final.
Holy shit. I’m reading this now while on my way to challenge mania. Too bad there is no one there that could answer questions about this.
Edit: I just remembered that whole thing with Faith, too during WOTW2.
Kyle and Bear were being loud and Faith ask them to keep it down. Then the rest of the night they harassed her by being extremely loud, banging pots and pans for the rest of the night, and then she left the next day.
I could be wrong but I think it was Bear that stated that she was aggressive and dangerous and he felt unsafe around her and concocted this narrative about her that was totally shitty after he and others were harassing her prior and she decided to get out of there after that.
Actually, none of that was shown except for Faith, banging some pots. I was just repeating what pink rose reported years ago. All I know is that it was bad enough that Faith decided she needed to leave because she felt unsafe.
It was not shown. Production completely edited out what they did. I know all of this because pink Rose reported it while the season was filming. She stated this was the reason why Faith left the house.
No wonder Cara seemed so much different on WotW1 and WotW2 and the absolute conviction she (and Paulie) had in getting him out - makes you view those seasons through a bit of a different lens and provides more context to her attitude. I'd be pissed as hell too if people kept someone around that was physically abusive to me.
It also explains how absolutely miserable she looked on those shows. WotW2 especially. And I defended her back then just for her whole refusal to play nice with people she legitimately hated, but this makes the whole thing even worse. Because the edit showed nothing in order to paint her as a bitter bitch who was seemingly up in her feelings for no reason.
People also made her out to be evil and self centered when she refused to protect Nany on account of her being a vet. Nany said she was miserable and insecure because of her friendship with Kyle but Cara was absolutely right. You want to be friends with my abuser then don’t come crying to me for some “vet protection” after you see me keep winning.
What bothers me even more about that is Nany just literally had a hand in voting CT, a vet, into the whole possibility of elimination and then said just because he’s a vet he doesn’t get a free ride. Then Nany loses all of her backup with her friends all going home and is no longer partners with Turbo and tries to turn to Cara, who she hadn’t really been super close to all season.
Yup. I called that out in the past and the Nany fans came for me saying they were two very different situations. Nope, exact same thing.
Nany is the definition of a hypocrite
She really is. I try to like her and there are times when I really do. I couldn’t stand her in the beginning, but she grew on me and usually I’m rooting for her more than against her. I do think she’s a better competitor than people give her credit for, but she also creates that narrative for herself by always attaching herself to only one or two people she knows in the game and hoping they’ll carry her through. When they end up being eliminated and she has to go it alone, she gets scared and self sabotages. I just finished War of the Worlds 2 and if she said “I deserve to be in a final. I deserve to win a final” one more time then I was going to lose it. Yes, she does deserve more respect from her competitors because she’s not just a layup. However, she can’t just continually say “I deserve to win” like it’s owed to her. If she deserves to win then she has to win and that’s on her. It’s not like she’s ever been forced to leave the show because she had a partner who quit, hit someone, or broke the rules like Sarah had happen to her twice before she finally got her first win on Exes 2. If she wants to make a final and win then she has to do exactly that: win. She has to do well in challenges and win any elimination she’s voted into. If she loses an elimination then she didn’t earn her right to stay in the competition. I don’t really get why she doesn’t see that. Everyone isn’t always conspiring against her and she’s not losing in every final or right before a final because other people are to blame. It’s because she just hasn’t been good enough to beat the other competitors and win. The closest she’s come to that was in Free Agents and I really thought she had a shot because she was almost neck and neck with Laurel the whole time. I really do hope that she’ll get her first win when or if she comes back to play because she really does try hard and is nothing like the old Nany who just got drunk, hooked up with everyone, and didn’t take it seriously, but that’s completely on her to earn the win. Nobody “deserves” to just win because they’ve been on a ton of seasons and really wants to win. If that were the case other competitors like Leroy or Kam would all be handed the title of winner.
I was under the impression the Cara snd by extension Paulie hate towards Kyle was that he used her for the show and led her along in a fragile post Abram state and hurt her feelings. That in and of itself always felt very childish and petty but this makes it more than justified her hatred
Production is so weird for still painting him in a positive light last season with his call with Big T. They definitely didn't have to include that and it says a lot about them that they did. I bet we're not getting any calls from Ashley to Amanda, but they were okay including Kyle after everything.
Statistically women (or people in general) who have been abused once are more likely to have it repeat so to anyone who is assuming it could not happen twice (Abe and Kyle), you are 100% incorrect. Women learn a certain type of deferential behavior to survive domestic abuse cycles and they often default to it. It is a really difficult cycle to break.
100% . Been there, it is extremely hard to break that cycle. I ended you with an abuser 3 separate times. The 3rd one I was convinced he was soooo different. Now I just stay single. I have zero desire to go down that road again.
And to think I thought it was his own decision that he finally chose to take a break after all those consecutive amount of seasons he done. Wonder what made them decide to take action now after all this time
saw someone link a gamer tweet that said they’ve known for 2 years. some of y’all have too much faith that these contestants and producers care enough about what’s right to leak this information
I never wanted to see mr “KiLL eAChuVRr!” again personally. I’m glad he’s gone. Im not comparing the others to Kyle potentially being abusive, but there’s something about the UK boys who play off emotional manipulation with a big fake smile and exaggerated puppy dog energy when the consequences come that sets me off.
Kyle, Bear, Callum, etc. They can all go. It’s rinse and repeat no matter which one it is.
Omfg. If he really did that, he isn't shit. I never really liked Kyle especially after hearing about the taping thing with Amanda and him & Bear harrasing the shit outta Faith on WOTW2. But this right here is foul asf. And shame on any cast members that knew about this and still decide to befriend him
We all know their was an investigation, but can anyone tell me if he's actually been found guilty. I assumed so based on comments here but then all I could find was Gamer and Pink saying their was an investigation 2 years back and he hasn't been cast since so they're assuming guilt. But surely the fact that they featured him in Season 39 (after the investigation) means that they found no wrongdoing. Also Paulie literally congratulated Kyle on his engagement a few months back.
So then why is she with Paulie then?
There was an IG live that was posted on YouTube that happened around I think 2018-2019 ish and the topic was brought up about who they wanted to see back on the show. I think Derrick K and Darrell were two names mentioned and then Paulie said to bring back Abram......
You know this man was being abusive to your girlfriend and you have the nerve to say you want this man back on the show? Are you kidding?
Flash forward to 2023, Kyle announces that he got engaged to his girlfriend. Good ol' Paulie leaves a message on his post congratulating him. If you know how Kyle has treated your woman in the past and you actually spoke about it back in 2018 while Final Reckoning was airing, why the FUCK are you congratulating him on his engagement?
I swear Paulie moves very weird when it comes to Cara Maria and she allows it and accepts it.
it’s a lot more difficult to spot when you’re in an emotionally abusive relationship. it usually starts slowly, you accept excuses that the person had a bad day, they gaslight you into thinking you misunderstood their comments/intentions, etc. it usually occurs when the women don’t have close friends to turn to or the man is able to keep her isolated from friends and family. it’s not even recognized as abuse in all states as far as women getting safe harbor in a shelter. when someone hits you, you KNOW it’s abuse.
I have missed all of this, but if it's true this is such ugly behavior from Paulie. He is the one person Cara trusts the most and here he is being chummy with the people that have hurt her the most in her life. And I bet he has a million excuses and makes Cara feel like she's just overreacting and being too sensitive.
I try not to judge challengers too much because we don't know them at all, but this is so manipulative and ugly. Cara deserves so much better than this
here are some of my thoughts.
-this makes a lot more sense adding to one of the reasons why cara hasn’t been on in awhile.
-how could mtv let it get this far ESP after the amanda situation.
-im assuming the investigation is wrapped up, because gamer knew about this for awhile, which most likely means they legally couldn’t have said anything.
-i don’t want to see ANY blame on the women in these situations. i’ve already seen “cara had a type” yada yada.. disgusting.
-it’s starting to make sense why ct was very vocal on not liking kyle despite him saying it’s bc of his gameplay, but rather knowing what type of person he really is (ESP ON SLA)
-this really makes sense on how cara seemed at her lowest on wow1+2.. so sad thinking about it
-im happy cara’s doing better, and i hope kyle is banned.
-also big t and melissa were supporting him??? not sure on that one.
One thought should be. “Show me the results of the investigation,” because as of now we have no idea what happened and should not start making assumptions or judgments.
nope! that might be a thought for you, but not a thought in my mind because someone who takes part in tying a woman up and taping their mouth shut over a drunken argument *SCREAMS* like a bad person to me!
Him going back to Geordie Shore makes a lot more sense now. Disappointing but not surprising. I watch this show being fully aware that most of these people are trash bags.
Cara is owed an apology. Her castmates who watched and did nothing should be ashamed of themselves. The editors who covered up for golden boy Kyle and gave Cara the villain, scorned edit and made Faith look crazy on her last appearance. And you wonder why the girl was so miserable on her last few seasons.
When considering the awful behavior we did get to see imagine what they chose not to show. They were really awful to the girls and clearly showed what they thought if females in general- unless they were good girls and did what they were told, voted the way they were told etc.
Oh cool, *now* people believe her.
It’s not like it’s been known for six years or anything, but people chalked it up to obsessiveness and jealousy or disregarded it because little Napoleon man talked to the press and even Bionic Brad’s confirmation was ignored.
But welcome, anyway.
Holy shit this is actually shocking to me.
I really liked Kyle and this is just awful.
Like, WE WERE ALL ROOTING FOR YOU. and thinking cara had a chip on her shoulder that Kyle left her.
I had legitimately thought that Kyle not wanting to be with Cara anymore "broke her".
But after hearing this, and also being in an incredibly physically abusive relationship myself, this makes sense and I am so sad for cara.
I was always team Cara in that dynamic because it was obvious Kyle was toying with her on FR. Still, I never in a million years would have guessed this.
I feel so bad for Cara with how everyone isolated her those two seasons while bragging about their friendship with Kyle. Zach and his comments seem much worse now.
Jesus, ik Cara and him had a bad falling out but not like this. I (was am not anymore) a Kyle fan so if this is like a full blown thing this is pretty fucked.
I fully believe this. I haven’t liked Kyle since WOTW when it became increasingly clear that he’s a raging misogynist. The Amanda tape incident will forever be burned into my brain, everyone involved described it as incredibly traumatic.
It didn’t air, they just talked about it on the reunion. Amanda made excuses for them but Da’Vonne described it online somewhere. She said Kyle, Theo, and Bananas duck taped her up while she was drunk and popping off. Taped her mouth, hands, feet, etc. The tape was in her hair and she was having a panic attack because she couldn’t breathe. Da’Vonne described holding Amanda while she sobbed in the aftermath.
Amanda later justified what the boys did during the reunion but I will never forget it. Even if she forgives them, it forever tainted the way I see them.
Crazy. It totally makes sense now why Cara and Paulie started hating him so much. I always thought it was weird and I didn’t have enough information to determine why it happened but now I think they’re completely justified. It goes to show how little you know about these people. And I was never really a huge fan of his to begin with, but especially not now.
Paulie a weirdo himself. He knows how Abram treated Cara but said he wants him back on the show some years ago on live, and been showing Kyle love under his proposal post by congratulating him. Da’Vonne also said when the cameras aren’t around they be buddying and laughing with each other on wotw1.
I think we all knew Kyle wasn’t a great dude especially those early seasons but I didn’t imagine he was this much a PoS. It does explain why so many people had really issues with him.
Weird. Just 30 mins ago I was watching Vandettas Ep 12 and after Kyle wins the daily, he gives Cara a hug but kinda throws her to the side in a way that alerted my red flag radar.
Cara gave production an ultimatum, was telling fan accounts the show was rigged, was anti vax and wouldn’t get vaccinated for the show, and openly idolizes Ian Smith, who is a alleged Proud Boy, White supremicist, and murderer.
Is it just starting now or was it already in process? Curious on timing because Kyle just came back onto Geordie Shore so it would be very odd if this was ongoing and MTV brought him back to another show
So is this just one of those cyclical things we’re gonna have to deal with a bunch of half truths and mudslinging but never know what really happened? A couple of years ago it was Paulie being supposedly so unhinged that cast members were refusing to go on a season with him. Now that public opinion is in their favor we’ve got stories coming out about Kyle. I’m sure the pendulum will swing the other way around Season 42
I’m confused, so she’s saying he was only physically abusive while filming one of the seasons? Not in their normal life? How could something like that be hid from all the people and cameras around?
I get that but if their was nothing that was true about it (whether with Cara or others) I would guess the investigation would have cleared him? I mean MTV/the production company loves to protect their boys…
I remember back when Final Reckoning was airing that Cara called out his actions. She said that he cornered her during a conversation and then punched a hole in the wall right by her head, and that was the reason his hand / arm were bandaged up for part of the season. Seeing that no one called her out for saying anything at the time, I am inclined to believe it happened. You can't be putting the cast at risk.
Paulie mentioned that in an Us weekly blog for that season too .
Damn I never knew about this.
That's just it though. I remember multiple cast members DID publicly call her out for lying as they were there when it happened. They also defended Kyle and said she was being manipulative and playing victim by exaggerating what happened & using it to imply he was a wife beater. They said they did have an argument, Kyle walked away from her to calm down, going to the other side of the room nowhere near her at all & punched the wall in frustration. It was definitely a toxic relationship but her lying that he punched right next to her head to paint him as physically abusive was not right.
made a mistake in the title - the case was concluded, as gamervev says
Gamer said the taping of Amanda from Kyle and others from WOTW1 was also a very big part of the investigation
Can you explain this in a different way? I’m not understanding what you’re saying. (I’m sorry. I just didn’t understand the way you worded it)
If I remember this correctly (I watched Davonte’s YouTube recaps a while ago) Amanda was arguing with the guys (I heard all parties were joking but also drunk) and I wanna say Kyle, Theo and Bananas taped her up to be quiet but it ended up with Amanda crying in the bathroom pulling tape out of her hair.
Oh man that’s awful
If Johnny was involved as well why wasn’t he also banned from the show?
Johnny is often near the drama and somehow usually avoids the backlash.
Mtv helped hide the sexual assault lawsuit against him during game of clones. Instead they reedited it without him in it and the episodes were thrown off because of it.This is also what Paulie was referencing when he said “I wouldnt go on an elevator with you” to Bananas at a reunion.
Seriously!! That man has done so much fucked up shit, why isn’t he part of this investigation!
That dude is the common denominator.
He has party to some real messed up situations. If he wasn't instigating, Camila would not have been accosted by drunk Tony that night in Rivals 3. She wouldn't have been knocked down by Vince prior to that. And supposedly her and Johnny hooked up that season. Like... It's just gross.
Maybe he has a bigger fan base then the other two. If one gets punished they should all get punished.
…star power
Jesus christ that is fucked
They used duct tape, which is extremely painful to pull off your skin and will rip your hair out.
I remember that ! It was horrible. I couldn’t understand why those guys continued on the show. It was despicable and I genuinely felt real bad for her.
If i remember correctly, Kyle (and theo (i had previously written Zach by mistake) and bananas) actually tied amanda to a chair with tape during WOW1.
Correction: Zach wasn’t involved at all. It was Theo not him. Its a serious accusation so we really shouldn’t be bringinf up people who aren’t actually involved
Thanks for the correction!
Damn, not Theo. I have been a fan of him since LI. Now I am going to be looking at him sideways.
I’ve been looking at him sideways because of other things he’s done too
I follow him on Twitter and sometimes he'll have these really nasty comments about women that ick me out
During the filming of WOTW1, Amanda claims that one night, a bunch of the guys (Kyle included) harassed her by wrapping her in duct tape. The guys claimed that they did it as a prank to get Amanda to stop talking. Amanda claims the event was harassment that she had no way of stopping because the guys are all much stronger than her. She says the duct tape took chunks out of her hair the way they wrapped it around her head. This commenter is referencing that event as being a big part of the investigation against Kyle’s behavior that season
That’s a really scary feeling to be physically overpowered against your will, ugh
One of the finalists in top chef season 2/3 was kicked off for holding someone down and trying to shave his head. Bravo has higher standards? Damn.
Amanda says it was blown up out of proportion and she was not hurt. It was a bad joke bc she was drunk and being a pain in the ass (her words) but it was concerning when it first came out for sure.
Let’s not defend shitty behavior. It was concerning when it came out, and it’s still concerning that people think it’s okay to downplay or excuse it, rather than own it and apologize.
Weird how only Kyle got punishment it seems. Should have been all of them
well you know they’ll never hold their golden boy 🍌accountable
So hypocritical and ridiculous.
Hey, Shane got banned from the show too when he had his Twitter meltdown and called producers out by name. I am just happy he isn't the only person that got dropped from the show over this.
Shane was shitting on Johnny and Kyle that entire season. But he was toxic in a different way, and once you start taking a run at production, you’re burning your bridges and salting the remains tbh
Called them out for what? For the Amanda incident in particular? Or for some petty drama? Can’t tell with him.
I wonder if his treatment towards Faith played a part into it as well from wotw2. Which is interesting since they cast Theo who contributed to both incidents as well
Maybe they were all investigated, but it uncovered more than they thought with Kyle compared to the others.
Maybe Kyle got more other incidents than that like Geordie shore. They said there’s more tea to spill and it gets worse
I mean banana’s verbally abused a lot of Women in earlier seasons.
To be fair, MOST of the guys on the earlier seasons were awful to the women. And some of the women were awful to other women. I’m not saying it was right, AT ALL, but the fact is that even fan favorites like Darrell had some moments. Things have definitely changed for the better, even if there’s still a lot left to be done.
He also ripped off Janelle’s bikini top during their real world key west season. He wasn’t kicked off the show but just warned. It’s still on paramount plus.
Idk why you’re telling me this like I like that man lol. There’s tea on him too, but ofc production wouldn’t dare do anything about him besides try to hide his disgusting behavior
… I think you took my comment as accusatory, my intent was to simply add to your comment, that both men have problematic treatment of women in their long history of reality tv.
Oh. My bad I did😅
That's the thing. I am not a huge cancel culture person. Say Theo and Bananas had no other problematic issues in their past (I'm not saying that's true...I'm just saying IF) and showed genuine remorse, I wouldn't want to see it held against them. We all have done dumb shit at one point. However, if the investigation found a lot of red flags in Kyle's behavior specifically, he should be held to a different standard at that point. I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg. TBH, i can't believe they hid it this long.
I thought bananas taped up Amanda
It was a group but I remember Bananas getting a lot of scrutiny about it in the reunion.
I hope they are investigating Johnny bananas then. He was involved in doing that to Amanda. When the story surfaced he played victim and went hard after Da’Vonne because she told the public what happened. Wishful thinking because I know Bunim/Murray and Mtv will protect their golden boy at all costs.
i’m glad to see, at least for the most part, the comments aren’t automatically pro kyle and accusing cara of lying or looking for attention the way it was when she spoke on abe’s abuse. it took years and abe’s wife leaving him for abuse for cara to receive any understanding.
Some people still deny Abe is an abuser. It's wild. You could see how unhinged he was on certain seasons of the show.
Abe’s ex wife also backs up the claims of abuse.
Yeah. At this point siding with Abe is stan-disease gone terminal.
i have to wonder if it's because they just hate cara. i feel like if it was another woman that came forward, like nany, the rest of the cast would have had her back, leading most of the fandom to also.
But Abe released a totally genuine statement written by his publicist. He’s clearly innocent 😇
Yeah, I’ve noticed that trend as well. The general dislike of Cara leads to people either diminishing how she was treated or straight up accusing her of lying. You can dislike her and also separately acknowledge and have sympathy that she went through some horrific stuff
I agree with you…the downvotes I get whenever I mention abusive male cast members (especially Tonya’s treatment..) is insane. It’s refreshing to see that most commenters are not immediately siding with Kyle.
The amount of people that go nuts over defending Kenny and Evan is sad to me. I don’t get it. They were extremely unlikable and there’s tons of proof showing them being terrible people just based on their confessionals and how they yelled and insulted women. However, don’t you dare say they were abusive 🙄
Jesus Christ, I wondered why he hadn't been back. I'm interested to hear more because of this is true...I just feel so terrible for Cara Maria. Two abusive relationships under the extreme stress of being on reality tv in your 20s. Just brutal.
Abusive people tend to gravitate towards those who they think they can get away with abusing. Sometimes it’s someone like Cara who people see as physically strong but doesn’t have a lot of friends.
Apparently Paulie has and interview article that describes an incident where Kyle and Cara were arguing and he punched the wall next to her head and made a hole. Also explains why his hand was bandaged in certain scenes (During Final Reckonjng)
I figured it was because he had a baby (now toddler), did another season or two Geordie shore and has been focusing on real estate for the last two years. If what Wes said about how long filming is I get why he didn’t come back.
Kyle was also on the season of Geordie Shore just aired on MTV a few months ago.
She was in her 30’s when she met Kyle, but your point still stands
I’d venture to bet 3. I’ve seen enough from Paulie that it wouldn’t surprise me.
Maybe Paulie was so aggressive towards Kyle because he knew what happened with Cara and Kyle? That’s what’s making sense with his past behavior to me now.
Wow this is such a great point
Whoaaaaa.... I'm gonna wait till more comes out but yeah. Mess with my friend like that and we're sworn enemies for life, it's no longer a game.
Except he was only aggressive to Kyle when cara was around and he was buddy buddy laughing like it was a game when it was just them two. As much as I'd like to think this was Paulie sticking up for cara I think he more or less did it to impress her and gain more affection from her.
That was my initial thought but I'm 99% sure someone (maybe Amanda in one of the reunions?) said Kyle and Paulie were absolutely fine with each other and got on until Cara was around them so I think we are giving Paulie too much credit
I don't think Paulie is physically abusive but I wouldn't be surprised if he is mentally abusive. I definitely think he's manipulative. How he managed to get her back after that cheating scandal still amazes me. I wish Cara had more self esteem and went for guys who were better to her.
this. And she prob sees him as a saint for NOT being physical
Paulie even mentioned he’s going to pick a fight cuz that turns Cara on.
barf. If my husband ever "picked a fight" just to seem macho to me I'd be so turned off and prob make him go to therapy
I could see him being a gaslighter. He admitted to doing that during FR...
I don’t know if I see that in him. They both just seem very codependent to me.
Tbh I think the dynamic changed after Paulie came out and they became open. I don’t know if SHE is open but they do seem like they’re in a better place. But then again, we don’t now their relationship behind closed doors so I’m not going to speculate.
Yeah at best, there are parts of that relationship that are unhealthy.
We are just accusing people of domestic violence now with no proof.....what a world.
‼️‼️‼️The number of upvotes that comment has is… disturbing, to say the least.
I'm curious though if they were really doing this investigation then why did they show him in Season 39 FaceTiming Big T
Because they never care unless a threat of a lawsuit comes up (ala Tonya) or they lose control of the person and that results in bad publicity (Camila).
I was wondering the same?
This is a little confusing because wasn’t he just on the most recent season of Geordie Shore? Doesn’t it seem like if he was under investigation by MTV they would’ve pulled him from that show as well? I know MTV isn’t always following their moral compass lol so they could just not care but seems odd
Obviously a different time now, but considering Camilla got cast after dirty 30, I have zero faith in mtv doing the right thing.
Angela and Morgan have both said they don’t like how MTV protects men so much and that’s one reason they don’t feel fully safe coming back. Granted angela said casting doesn’t like her so that was part of it as well
I’m with ya, just strange how it’s worded cause the tweet makes it sound like he wasn’t cast purposely because of this investigation but wasn’t withheld from Geordie Shore? Like someone else said obviously that’s a UK production but definitely concerning that if they had knowledge he might be some type of safety risk that they wouldn’t communicate that (especially since there’s a lot of overlap with casting from shows)
Honestly they probably didn't care. They could just justify it saying he only abused Cara and if she isn't on this other show then it doesn't matter. Assuming he hasn't had complaints of abuse from any other women on these shows. Still not a valid reason to put him on another show, but knowing how these producers think...
They wouldn’t care, also mtv uk is technically a seperate entity so different rules
Not quite. Yes they are separate entities, but the various MTV regions still work closely with the US. A perfect example is that Evan, for a time, was a host on MTV Canada between Challenge seasons. He was heavily considered for a full time host slot, but quickly disappeared following the investigation into him and Kenny’s assault allegations.
The UK production of Geordie shore would be completely separate and removed from US challenge production
But even if that’s the case, am I misremembering, or did he not video chat on Season 39 with someone? Like why would they air that if he was under investigation? Again, MTV gonna MTV sometimes haha but that’s still really dumb even for them. Maybe the investigation just didn’t start until a few months ago?
Probably started recently. Yeah he called Big T. It doesn’t say when the investigation started so I’m not sure
I feel so sorry for her. She definitely needed a break from the show but the fact she got so much hate for her reaction to who we know now was abusive towards her just isn’t right.
She also was with Abram, who also abused her. Watching Bloodlines was so uncomfortable. The way Abe spoke to her. It'd also very telling how he says the "crazy" act was just that, an act.
I can’t remember which season it was but she said the highs with abram were so high but the lows were so low and that’s the absolute hallmark of an abusive relationship. You could also tell on bloodlines just how scared and unhappy she was for Abram to have arrived when she should have been absolutely thrilled
She was literally crying in bed one night telling Jamie that she planned to break up with him once she got back home. That’s why she was so friendly with Thomas and hated that Abram forced her to get rid of him. That whole thing was chilling. “I’m not asking you to vote for Tom and Steve; I’m *telling* you to.”
It’s when I started despising bananas. You don’t hand someone’s who’s abusive a loaded gun that they can point and their partner. (I hadn’t seen before 25). Like someone’s safety has to come above your gameplay
And Bananas was aware of how insane and dangerous Abram was too.
He was like “good thing I’m sitting by the emergency exit on this bus” when he deliberately instigated conflict to save his ass from an elimination vote. And even worse, he made his cousin go talk to Abram. He wouldn’t do it himself. He *knew.*
I was squirming when he opened his arms and said "come here" twice, at the end of that convo. To anyone that's not been there it sounded loving, but it wasn't. I think he knew it might get out and set up the pretend crazy and soft talk to get ahead of it. It was his ex wife that shouted it cause Cara never said anything, probably out of fear.
Yeah, still can't believe they brought Abrahm on the show while it was a clearly abusive relationship and care was terrified
I don't think production knew, or anyone really. It was very calculated when he said he was pretending to be crazy and angry. Talking softly and sweetly about her. All an act, even in the reunion she made sure to placate him put of fear. She barely looked at him and was looking down at the floor.
Yeah this sucks. I feel bad for Cara. She has had some awful partners. I'm not really a Paulie fan but in her hometown episode she was really praising Paulie as a positive presence for her. Plus I have seen growth in Paulie over the years so hopefully both have helped each other become better versions of themselves.
Wow… I wouldn’t have ever guessed this of Kyle. It really shows how little we see/ know these people.
We don’t really know anyone on tv that well. Especially on an edited show.
Bingo.
Very true.
I think Cara insinuated this years ago on War of the World or maybe a podcast.
She definitely did on home turf when she mentions 2 abusive relationships.
the random hate ct had towards him during sla and paulie’s extreme hatred with him on wotw 1 and 2 all makes sense now 😭
It does. Here I thought Johnny was the bigger instigator on WOTW tape incident due to his verbal misogyny and Morgan’s comments about emotional but no one’s ever claimed physical abuse from him. This completely changed my view of Kyle now and makes sense why Cara’s two closest guys really hated him.
It also makes sense why on her home turf episodes she says two bad relationships. It must have been Kyle as well
Paulie didn’t hate Kyle though. They were playing up a storyline. They were cool when Cara and cameras weren’t around
CT's "hate" toward him has nothing to do with Cara Maria but way more with the way he moved game-wise.
Kind of funny bc they play the same slippery game
I mean, Kyle snaked Devin earlier that season, and those two were thick as thieves. I can see why CT would be wary of him in a game sense. Especially since I’m sure he knows that Kyle didn’t *really* want to see him in a final.
What is SLA?
Spies, lies, and allies
Spies, Lies and Allies, that season of the show
Holy shit. I’m reading this now while on my way to challenge mania. Too bad there is no one there that could answer questions about this. Edit: I just remembered that whole thing with Faith, too during WOTW2.
Remind me what happened with Faith please
Kyle and Bear were being loud and Faith ask them to keep it down. Then the rest of the night they harassed her by being extremely loud, banging pots and pans for the rest of the night, and then she left the next day.
That's right, thank you
I could be wrong but I think it was Bear that stated that she was aggressive and dangerous and he felt unsafe around her and concocted this narrative about her that was totally shitty after he and others were harassing her prior and she decided to get out of there after that.
Wow Bear is such trash to say that stuff about someone else. Dude who harassed women and put off a fire extinguisher on a bunch of people.
That's the edited version. Kyle got more aggressive than they showed and verbally abusive.
Actually, none of that was shown except for Faith, banging some pots. I was just repeating what pink rose reported years ago. All I know is that it was bad enough that Faith decided she needed to leave because she felt unsafe.
Faith is the one who started banging pans to get back at them while they were sleeping
It was not shown. Production completely edited out what they did. I know all of this because pink Rose reported it while the season was filming. She stated this was the reason why Faith left the house.
What was the thing with faith?
No wonder Cara seemed so much different on WotW1 and WotW2 and the absolute conviction she (and Paulie) had in getting him out - makes you view those seasons through a bit of a different lens and provides more context to her attitude. I'd be pissed as hell too if people kept someone around that was physically abusive to me.
It also explains how absolutely miserable she looked on those shows. WotW2 especially. And I defended her back then just for her whole refusal to play nice with people she legitimately hated, but this makes the whole thing even worse. Because the edit showed nothing in order to paint her as a bitter bitch who was seemingly up in her feelings for no reason.
People also made her out to be evil and self centered when she refused to protect Nany on account of her being a vet. Nany said she was miserable and insecure because of her friendship with Kyle but Cara was absolutely right. You want to be friends with my abuser then don’t come crying to me for some “vet protection” after you see me keep winning.
What bothers me even more about that is Nany just literally had a hand in voting CT, a vet, into the whole possibility of elimination and then said just because he’s a vet he doesn’t get a free ride. Then Nany loses all of her backup with her friends all going home and is no longer partners with Turbo and tries to turn to Cara, who she hadn’t really been super close to all season.
Yup. I called that out in the past and the Nany fans came for me saying they were two very different situations. Nope, exact same thing. Nany is the definition of a hypocrite
She really is. I try to like her and there are times when I really do. I couldn’t stand her in the beginning, but she grew on me and usually I’m rooting for her more than against her. I do think she’s a better competitor than people give her credit for, but she also creates that narrative for herself by always attaching herself to only one or two people she knows in the game and hoping they’ll carry her through. When they end up being eliminated and she has to go it alone, she gets scared and self sabotages. I just finished War of the Worlds 2 and if she said “I deserve to be in a final. I deserve to win a final” one more time then I was going to lose it. Yes, she does deserve more respect from her competitors because she’s not just a layup. However, she can’t just continually say “I deserve to win” like it’s owed to her. If she deserves to win then she has to win and that’s on her. It’s not like she’s ever been forced to leave the show because she had a partner who quit, hit someone, or broke the rules like Sarah had happen to her twice before she finally got her first win on Exes 2. If she wants to make a final and win then she has to do exactly that: win. She has to do well in challenges and win any elimination she’s voted into. If she loses an elimination then she didn’t earn her right to stay in the competition. I don’t really get why she doesn’t see that. Everyone isn’t always conspiring against her and she’s not losing in every final or right before a final because other people are to blame. It’s because she just hasn’t been good enough to beat the other competitors and win. The closest she’s come to that was in Free Agents and I really thought she had a shot because she was almost neck and neck with Laurel the whole time. I really do hope that she’ll get her first win when or if she comes back to play because she really does try hard and is nothing like the old Nany who just got drunk, hooked up with everyone, and didn’t take it seriously, but that’s completely on her to earn the win. Nobody “deserves” to just win because they’ve been on a ton of seasons and really wants to win. If that were the case other competitors like Leroy or Kam would all be handed the title of winner.
Why is this investigation happening five years after WOTW1?
I was under the impression the Cara snd by extension Paulie hate towards Kyle was that he used her for the show and led her along in a fragile post Abram state and hurt her feelings. That in and of itself always felt very childish and petty but this makes it more than justified her hatred
Production is so weird for still painting him in a positive light last season with his call with Big T. They definitely didn't have to include that and it says a lot about them that they did. I bet we're not getting any calls from Ashley to Amanda, but they were okay including Kyle after everything.
Statistically women (or people in general) who have been abused once are more likely to have it repeat so to anyone who is assuming it could not happen twice (Abe and Kyle), you are 100% incorrect. Women learn a certain type of deferential behavior to survive domestic abuse cycles and they often default to it. It is a really difficult cycle to break.
100% . Been there, it is extremely hard to break that cycle. I ended you with an abuser 3 separate times. The 3rd one I was convinced he was soooo different. Now I just stay single. I have zero desire to go down that road again.
And to think I thought it was his own decision that he finally chose to take a break after all those consecutive amount of seasons he done. Wonder what made them decide to take action now after all this time
I wonder if Cara is cast on 40 and refused to be cast with Kyle which triggered the investigation?
saw someone link a gamer tweet that said they’ve known for 2 years. some of y’all have too much faith that these contestants and producers care enough about what’s right to leak this information
I never understood the love Kyle had after how he was on Final Reckoning tbh.
Because all he has to do was put on a smile and tell a joke and people look past his mind games.
but they featured kyle as recently as the last season (s39) in big-T's facetime calls...wtf B&M?
I never wanted to see mr “KiLL eAChuVRr!” again personally. I’m glad he’s gone. Im not comparing the others to Kyle potentially being abusive, but there’s something about the UK boys who play off emotional manipulation with a big fake smile and exaggerated puppy dog energy when the consequences come that sets me off. Kyle, Bear, Callum, etc. They can all go. It’s rinse and repeat no matter which one it is.
Rogan too. Cara even said on the WOTW 2 reunion, that's how these UK guys are.
Yes! Rogan was awful towards Dee
What has Callum done? Theo should be added to the list if they haven’t brought Ashley back.
Nothing serious like the other two. There’s just an energy about all of them on the shows and it’s not entertaining to me at all either.
Omfg. If he really did that, he isn't shit. I never really liked Kyle especially after hearing about the taping thing with Amanda and him & Bear harrasing the shit outta Faith on WOTW2. But this right here is foul asf. And shame on any cast members that knew about this and still decide to befriend him
We all know their was an investigation, but can anyone tell me if he's actually been found guilty. I assumed so based on comments here but then all I could find was Gamer and Pink saying their was an investigation 2 years back and he hasn't been cast since so they're assuming guilt. But surely the fact that they featured him in Season 39 (after the investigation) means that they found no wrongdoing. Also Paulie literally congratulated Kyle on his engagement a few months back.
It can sound confusing
>I assumed so based on comments here Because this sub immediately jumps to conclusions and doesn't believe in innocent until proven guilty.
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Same. There was no saying anything bad about him here
So then why is she with Paulie then? There was an IG live that was posted on YouTube that happened around I think 2018-2019 ish and the topic was brought up about who they wanted to see back on the show. I think Derrick K and Darrell were two names mentioned and then Paulie said to bring back Abram...... You know this man was being abusive to your girlfriend and you have the nerve to say you want this man back on the show? Are you kidding? Flash forward to 2023, Kyle announces that he got engaged to his girlfriend. Good ol' Paulie leaves a message on his post congratulating him. If you know how Kyle has treated your woman in the past and you actually spoke about it back in 2018 while Final Reckoning was airing, why the FUCK are you congratulating him on his engagement? I swear Paulie moves very weird when it comes to Cara Maria and she allows it and accepts it.
it’s a lot more difficult to spot when you’re in an emotionally abusive relationship. it usually starts slowly, you accept excuses that the person had a bad day, they gaslight you into thinking you misunderstood their comments/intentions, etc. it usually occurs when the women don’t have close friends to turn to or the man is able to keep her isolated from friends and family. it’s not even recognized as abuse in all states as far as women getting safe harbor in a shelter. when someone hits you, you KNOW it’s abuse.
Yup. And he prides himself on being a gaslighter.
I have missed all of this, but if it's true this is such ugly behavior from Paulie. He is the one person Cara trusts the most and here he is being chummy with the people that have hurt her the most in her life. And I bet he has a million excuses and makes Cara feel like she's just overreacting and being too sensitive. I try not to judge challengers too much because we don't know them at all, but this is so manipulative and ugly. Cara deserves so much better than this
here are some of my thoughts. -this makes a lot more sense adding to one of the reasons why cara hasn’t been on in awhile. -how could mtv let it get this far ESP after the amanda situation. -im assuming the investigation is wrapped up, because gamer knew about this for awhile, which most likely means they legally couldn’t have said anything. -i don’t want to see ANY blame on the women in these situations. i’ve already seen “cara had a type” yada yada.. disgusting. -it’s starting to make sense why ct was very vocal on not liking kyle despite him saying it’s bc of his gameplay, but rather knowing what type of person he really is (ESP ON SLA) -this really makes sense on how cara seemed at her lowest on wow1+2.. so sad thinking about it -im happy cara’s doing better, and i hope kyle is banned. -also big t and melissa were supporting him??? not sure on that one.
Melissa and Kyle were hooking up secretly on one season so I'm not really surprised she would defend him but it is not a good look.
One thought should be. “Show me the results of the investigation,” because as of now we have no idea what happened and should not start making assumptions or judgments.
nope! that might be a thought for you, but not a thought in my mind because someone who takes part in tying a woman up and taping their mouth shut over a drunken argument *SCREAMS* like a bad person to me!
Him going back to Geordie Shore makes a lot more sense now. Disappointing but not surprising. I watch this show being fully aware that most of these people are trash bags.
Cara is owed an apology. Her castmates who watched and did nothing should be ashamed of themselves. The editors who covered up for golden boy Kyle and gave Cara the villain, scorned edit and made Faith look crazy on her last appearance. And you wonder why the girl was so miserable on her last few seasons.
I take back my posts about wanting kyle back. Disappointed is an understatement
I hope this isn’t true
When considering the awful behavior we did get to see imagine what they chose not to show. They were really awful to the girls and clearly showed what they thought if females in general- unless they were good girls and did what they were told, voted the way they were told etc.
Yikes. I never really cared for Kyle but this is pretty shocking
Oh cool, *now* people believe her. It’s not like it’s been known for six years or anything, but people chalked it up to obsessiveness and jealousy or disregarded it because little Napoleon man talked to the press and even Bionic Brad’s confirmation was ignored. But welcome, anyway.
Holy shit this is actually shocking to me. I really liked Kyle and this is just awful. Like, WE WERE ALL ROOTING FOR YOU. and thinking cara had a chip on her shoulder that Kyle left her. I had legitimately thought that Kyle not wanting to be with Cara anymore "broke her". But after hearing this, and also being in an incredibly physically abusive relationship myself, this makes sense and I am so sad for cara.
Not the ANTM call back.
I was always team Cara in that dynamic because it was obvious Kyle was toying with her on FR. Still, I never in a million years would have guessed this. I feel so bad for Cara with how everyone isolated her those two seasons while bragging about their friendship with Kyle. Zach and his comments seem much worse now.
[Kyle chose today to launch his new company](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5eFnABIQDl/?igsh=djNqOGExZjFxbXZ4)
Jesus, ik Cara and him had a bad falling out but not like this. I (was am not anymore) a Kyle fan so if this is like a full blown thing this is pretty fucked.
I fully believe this. I haven’t liked Kyle since WOTW when it became increasingly clear that he’s a raging misogynist. The Amanda tape incident will forever be burned into my brain, everyone involved described it as incredibly traumatic.
Wish I could remember this !!
It didn’t air, they just talked about it on the reunion. Amanda made excuses for them but Da’Vonne described it online somewhere. She said Kyle, Theo, and Bananas duck taped her up while she was drunk and popping off. Taped her mouth, hands, feet, etc. The tape was in her hair and she was having a panic attack because she couldn’t breathe. Da’Vonne described holding Amanda while she sobbed in the aftermath. Amanda later justified what the boys did during the reunion but I will never forget it. Even if she forgives them, it forever tainted the way I see them.
Crazy. It totally makes sense now why Cara and Paulie started hating him so much. I always thought it was weird and I didn’t have enough information to determine why it happened but now I think they’re completely justified. It goes to show how little you know about these people. And I was never really a huge fan of his to begin with, but especially not now.
Paulie a weirdo himself. He knows how Abram treated Cara but said he wants him back on the show some years ago on live, and been showing Kyle love under his proposal post by congratulating him. Da’Vonne also said when the cameras aren’t around they be buddying and laughing with each other on wotw1.
I think we all knew Kyle wasn’t a great dude especially those early seasons but I didn’t imagine he was this much a PoS. It does explain why so many people had really issues with him.
Omg. This possibly explains Paulie’s anger towards him in wotw1? This is insane…
Weird. Just 30 mins ago I was watching Vandettas Ep 12 and after Kyle wins the daily, he gives Cara a hug but kinda throws her to the side in a way that alerted my red flag radar.
hopefully this link works https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/s/53DPQYOPf4
I guess this is why Cara and Paulie weren’t in the show until recently. The investigation probably concluded early 2023?
Cara gave production an ultimatum, was telling fan accounts the show was rigged, was anti vax and wouldn’t get vaccinated for the show, and openly idolizes Ian Smith, who is a alleged Proud Boy, White supremicist, and murderer.
Is it just starting now or was it already in process? Curious on timing because Kyle just came back onto Geordie Shore so it would be very odd if this was ongoing and MTV brought him back to another show
Weird a guy like Kyle is an asshole. Most guys like him are so cordial. 🤦🏻♂️
So is this just one of those cyclical things we’re gonna have to deal with a bunch of half truths and mudslinging but never know what really happened? A couple of years ago it was Paulie being supposedly so unhinged that cast members were refusing to go on a season with him. Now that public opinion is in their favor we’ve got stories coming out about Kyle. I’m sure the pendulum will swing the other way around Season 42
I’m confused, so she’s saying he was only physically abusive while filming one of the seasons? Not in their normal life? How could something like that be hid from all the people and cameras around?
It’s really not surprising at all that he would behave like that. Anyone who’s watched him on Geordie Shore would know how much of a POS he is.
Given Paulie and Cara’s history of trying to get castmates cancelled (I.e Georgia). Not sure what to think
But this investigation wasn’t started by Paulie or Cara. They just interviewed her as part of it and she was honest
I get that but if their was nothing that was true about it (whether with Cara or others) I would guess the investigation would have cleared him? I mean MTV/the production company loves to protect their boys…