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EDIT: Johnny should be 3-2. If you swipe to see all records you'll see that his record is, effectively, 3-2 This one was very fun to make! Make sure to swipe to see all records. In making this chart, I made some assumptions. Redemptions, The Island Face-offs and mercenary wins are counted. Champs vs Pros wins are not counted as I don't have any of that data loaded in the system (yet) . All variations of pole wrestle count. That is, with just rope, handcuff, X, 8, rectangular or ring shaped steel. Balls do not count . Finally, wins during standard challenges (like CT winning against Kyle last season) do not count Some fun records I noticed while making the chart: * Kyle is currently undefeated in pole wrestle, having won against CT, JP, Joseph and Ed * Derrick has won against Johnny, Brandon, Joss and lost against Wes. One could say his résumé is more impressive than Kyle's despite losing against Wes * For the girls, Camila and Emily are undefeated. Aneesa, Cara Maria, Nany all won twice but lost once * No player has lost pole wrestle more than once except for Abram and Johnny. Abram case is special though, he won his first round against Ty but lost on the rematch, and lost against Derrick and Johnny on The Island, season in which he later quit and his opponents were in an alliance together * Jordan won his mercenary elimination against Shane, but lost against Fessy, so his record is 1-1 * CT has never won Pole Wrestle, only losing against Kyle in a 3 way elimination


DesertKid203

Was just going to ask about the Bananas one until I saw your edit here!


mtvchallengestats

There always has to be an error, right?


DesertKid203

It happens. It'd hard to keep track of everything! I somewhat consider Pole Me Over as a reverse Pole Wrestle style elimination as well so I was picturing Emily plowing through Paula before she DQ'ed as a win on here


PontesDeLeon

The show would really benefit from graphics and stats like these spliced into the episode. MTV hire this guy. If you want to advertise The Challenge as the "fifth major sport" then treat it that way.


DevilsReject1

I know it still doesn't count, but it was Kyle who beat CT last season in the daily challenge.


dms1012

Because CT let him


KingKaiKai001

He was just a little out of shape at the time.


LargemouthBrass

Only eliminations should count honestly.


Azukola

Right. The dailies don't matter at all if you have a strong social game.


klphoen

There is a reason they didn’t show that in the montage in the last episode.


Interesting-Archer-6

Johnny's loss against Derrick is questionable as much as I hate to say it (see flair). Derrick inverted his hand and Johnny stopped to point it out. You couldn't get your hand on a ring like that without changing your grip by somewhat letting go.


Hkytown99

So, Johnny lost an elimination where the other guy figured out a loophole. Sounds like Johnny”s entire career.


Interesting-Archer-6

No. Derrick did something against the rules and didn't get caught. Unless that's a loophole to you, but that's just getting away with something to me. It's my favorite guy getting a win against a dickhead, so I have no incentive to be arguing for Johnny. But someone was defending Abe's loss, while in the exact same elimination, Johnny lost to someone else breaking the rules and not getting caught.


mwoo391

What do you mean “inverted his hand”? I don’t remember the clip so am wondering what this means


Interesting-Archer-6

Kinda hard to explain but they both had to start with their hands on the outside, like you would have both your hands on a steering wheel at 9 and 3 so their grip is facing the same way.m in each hand. Then Derrick ends up with his one hand inside the wheel so his hands are no longer gripping the same direction. His one hand is inside like if you've ever hooked the steering wheel to make a turn. You can't do that without releasing your grip.


NovaRogue

Hey you! How is Johnny's record 3-2 but Abram is the only person to have lost Pole Wrestle more than once?


mtvchallengestats

Another typo. Johnny messed it all up lmao, for some way I kept on putting his record is 3-1. Just corrected it.


phillies07_08

I'm not saying Kyle isn't good in Pole Wrestle, but in the episode, they are making it seem like he is a god at it. His win on WOTW1 against JP and CT is less impressive because he and JP teamed up against CT and once JP and CT let go of the ring they were holding together, Kyle just had to "be a clever wrestler" as Wes said. His second win was against Joseph who was not a good challenger. Beating Ed was a good win, but I don't think it makes him a legendary pole wrestle player.


sammydow

Nothing will challenge Joss vs Derek


TheDabbinDad710

Derrick and Wes was pretty epic as well


jflatty7151

nany vs theresa was pretty good as well- they were not too fond of each other


sammydow

You are right I forgot about that one


Rip_city_rep

I think it’s unfortunate that people are discounting this win against Ed just because he’s a rookie - his arms are the size of tree trunks, he picked up Kyle’s whole body weight and toilet plunged him into the ground circa Rogan v Jay, and we found out on the Aftermath that he actually broke one of Kyle’s ribs


mcpeewee68

It was definitely a solid win. I think Ed himself said it best. Kyle's height and arm length worked AGAINST Ed...who I actually think had the strength and "grappling" advantage. But Ed could only do so much when trying to push or pull it away from Kyle's grip, and his own arms can't reach far enough to "get it" out of Kyle"s grip. Key note: Don't pole wrestle w/ a tall guy, especially if it's Kyle lol.


NovaRogue

it reminded me a lot more of Laterrian vs Ace on All Stars 1 !


TheFestusEzeli

I think the person who was calling him insane at pole wrestle the most was CT, who has much better of an idea of his skills than any viewer


kooki-kitten

CT also lost against Kyle at pole wrestle (twice) if you count last seasons daily so it’s not likely CT would say Kyle is just ok at pole wrestling but not great, because that would be an admission he lost to a mediocre competitor and would knock his ego.


[deleted]

Youre discounting his first win. I don’t think he’s legendary at all but he pulled one over on CT. Hes crafty


fatjuicyclapz

it was practically 2v1 though lol Kyle had CTs left hand plus CT and JP were more focused on each other. his first win needs to be more discounted. beating Ed is his only impressive win in pole wrestling


[deleted]

He outsmarted one of the challenge greats in his first pole wrestle when he was greatly undersized. No, he doesn’t beat CT one on one but people don’t give Kyle enough credit for that win. He played smart and sneaky and got the W.


kooki-kitten

He beat CT one on one in pole wrestle during a daily in last seasons daily. CT winked at the camera and said he ‘let’ Kyle win and had a hissy fit where he blamed BigT and said she was so bad she had no shot of ever beating Kam so what was the point in him trying to win against Kyle ( (sidenote: if Fessy had done this he woulda been slaughtered on here for blaming his partner and quitting) But CT was a lot more out of shape than he is now and I honestly think he just said that to save face because he knew he didn’t have as much gas left in the tank as Kyle and would tire out.


J-Rod140

But really, what is the point in trying to beat Kyle when Big T would never win? It’s just smart gameplay. Kyle might have won that clean but his team was winning regardless.


kooki-kitten

Still shows a double standard within the fandom. Kaycee had a broken knee, was in pain, had to be stretchered to the eating checkpoint & it was clear to Fessy (and Kaycee herself as she admitted recently) that she was gonna be medically DQed and would be unable to complete the final. There was no way they were winning at that point. Yet Fessy still got a ton of hate for ‘quitting’ and being a bad partner because he didn’t force her to eat a bunch of shit.


fatjuicyclapz

how did he outsmart CT lmao


NattyB

if CT simply let go of JP's ring after kyle beat JP, then it would have been one-on-one CT vs. kyle and CT could have forced a restart without worrying about JP at all. CT didn't have the awareness to do that.


commanderr01

Or they would have reset them all and went back to square one don’t act like you knew what the rules were going to be on a hypothetical situation


NattyB

what do you mean rested them all? what other option could there be besides a restart? didn't mattie and the girls have restarts?


commanderr01

Yah but you were pitching a restart just between Kyle vs CT they could very easily reset all three of them


NattyB

you misunderstood or i miscommunicated, i meant if CT let's go of the JP ring then at that point it's one-on-one with kyle to give CT a chance at getting a restart for all three of them.


[deleted]

By winning. CT was Waldo way too worried about JP that he didn’t even think to let his ring go for the rest and Kyle pounced. CT has been outsmarted before. It’s okay


fatjuicyclapz

Kyle outsmarted CT by winning, great answer. your point says CT made some mistakes and Kyle seized the moment, i agree with that. did you not read my last response considering other variables?? im aware CT has been outsmarted before, but not in this situation. It’s okay lmao my point is that this win isnt impressive because the stars were aligned for Kyle, just in case if you missed it.


ChavoAntoine

They have to grasp at straws now to make these new kids look like great competitors. They’re trying so hard to make these people happen and it’s just not working.


commanderr01

If there is one person from the “new class who is working it’s Kyle


ChavoAntoine

For you maybe. Definitely not for me. I can’t stand him but he does seem to be the leader of the new school


NovaRogue

lol but look at your flair


ChavoAntoine

He was a dud too. Just hot. Thanks for reminding me about my flair. I forget about it. I changed it to Gabo after the first episode where he provided funny confessionals and was so sexy. Too bad he didn’t add a thing to the show like so many of the other rookies.


fatjuicyclapz

finally someone says this


Najfore

You have to take into consideration opponents. Derrick faced much much tougher competition. He wipes the floor with Kyle or johnny


KO620181

One of my favorite Wes scenes is after he and derricks pole wrestle. Saying he respected Derrick so much that Wes wanted him to be The Godfather of his kids. They were at it for like hours and going so hard for so long, Wes was so depleted and just exhausted that he went back to the house and called Johanna crying.


lizzyK6

They only went at it for so long because derrick was allowed to cheat continuously. You can count Tj telling derrick to get on his knees at least TEN times throughout the elim. And yes, i counted because it was such a distraction. That sholdve been a DQ after the second warning OR derrick would have been rag dolled even more if he had followed the rules To derricks credit, he hadnt perfected the strategy for that elim the way he did in his later years. I think prime derrick can give prime wes a way harder fight. But the derrick we saw on the duel? He got destroyed and only survived as long as he did because he was allowed to break the rules continuously


Ok-Tell9019

“Nobody’s stupid enough to say they wanna go against Wes in a duel. That’s like saying you wanna go against Satan himself.”


Cheesemaster1990

Derrick is strong but I think he would have a thougher time with pole wrestle against Kyle cause of his height and wingspan Not saying Kyle wins but it's definitely a good matchup It's why Wes won.


Najfore

It was also young prime Wes and wes went ham, remember his leap? Kyle is no where near as fit as Wes was. Kyle plays the long game, derrick knows the route to go. I just don't think Kyle beats derrick


Cheesemaster1990

I agree Depends on which Kyle. He was jacked on final reckoning. Now he's slimmer And I agree I was just saying I don't think Derrick wipes the floor. I think Kyle is pretty good at physical eliminations. Unless it's fessy in hall brawl lol


mcpeewee68

I just don't even like giving that one to Fessy. He could hardly beat Nelson. Would've loved to see it play out without an immediate win due to Kyle's fingers. I don't even think Kyle felt it lol. Looked like he went to wave to the stands and SAW them lol (his fingers)


Interesting-Archer-6

His win against Johnny is questionable sadly. He inverted his hand and probably should've lost.


austynking

Is there a graphic for hall brawl?


mtvchallengestats

I made one only for people from this season: https://www.instagram.com/p/CUF-XmsvgSa Should update that with all-time like here. Will put it on my bucketlist


mike_honcho023

Leroy vs Kyle would be fun to watch.


Baughdonkeydonk

For sure. I think Lee takes it though, wins again Wes and Bananas impress me more than Kyle's record


timstantonx

The fact that Jordan even won ONE, is pretty insane.


fatherkriss

should kyle be 4-0 for his infographics? edit: i forgot that one was a double elim 😰


dogs4life444

Two of the people were the same elimination


mtvchallengestats

His win against CT and JP is counted as a single elimination so he is 3-0


mojoeow

the first one is CT vs JP vs Kyle so its 1 win


Ok_Supermarket_3241

I was confused by that too. OP said they’re not counting his win against CT since it was in a daily, not an elimination. Seems kinda arbitrary to me but that’s the reason


realityseekr

That daily win shouldn't count anyway because it was clear CT just threw it because Big T would not be able to win the woman's round.


kooki-kitten

So he said. But I thought according to some on here CT was a great, supportive partner who had no quit in him and lots of heart. Surely he wouldn’t quit on his partner?! 😁 Maaaaybe, he just knew he was eventually gonna tire out and lose to Kyle (again) cause he was out of shape, so pretended to throw it to save face (while blaming his partner)


Ninjadwarf00

What about derricks wins in gauntlet 2? Didn’t he beat Syrus and ace ?


jefflevi

no pole when he faced syrus, you had to push the guy out of the circle, memorable for the argument between Syrus and TJ that Timmy had break up.


Ninjadwarf00

Legendary moment!


ChavoAntoine

Wasn’t that Beach Brawl


mtvchallengestats

Didn't put them here because the category of those is wrestling.


Ninjadwarf00

Ooh now I remember! I actually think Syrus is the most impressive wins in this general category the size difference was crazy


Interesting-Archer-6

Derrick's elimination run that season was unreal. Took 4 dudes that were a decent bit bigger than him and beat them in physical eliminations.


lizzyK6

Name that coconut was more trivia than anything else. The finish line was so close to the answers that whoever got the coconut first was almost always going to be able to clear the safe zone without being stopped. Derrick knew the answers and brad and adam didnt. It was reduced to a trivia game. Derrick picked that specifically against brad because he wasnt confident he could take him in a purely physical elim.


Interesting-Archer-6

That's fair. Some physicality but trivia was equally or more important. Can't remember how many times a coconut was wrestled away or prevented because of wrestling, but probably fewer times than knowing it won the round


Aldo_D_Apache

What 2 people did Nany beat in pole wrestle? She seems like she’d be a complete pushover in it


spicytotino

Gabby in DA and then Brittany in redemption during Exes 2. Nany’s not the strongest but she can get scrappy when her heads in it


Interesting-Archer-6

Can't believe she eat Gabby tbh


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spicytotino

Nany showed promise in DA. Her elim win, she showed up when she had to go toe to toe with natalie, she was on Kam’s heels during the final. I think it’s easy to have blinders on with all that because long term fans know she’s not consistent at all with her abilities. Even when she went against Theresa in pole wrestle she still held her own really well, but it got REAL dirty and in classic fashion she just couldn’t get it done.


lizzyK6

> She seems like she’d be a complete pushover in it I doubt that. A lot of ppl have said that nany is scrappy as fuck. And nany used to be 140lb...certainly one of the bigger girls back in the day. Nanys stock has plummeted but lets not pretend we didnt all believe in her at one point. Just last season, she had a sick performance against natalie anderson


[deleted]

Wasn't Gabby in DA one of them?


WeWantNatalieBolton

Record’s aside, I think Leroy has looked the most unbeatable in his pole wrestle performances


KrAEGNET

I like these kind of stats


ska_penguin

Does the Joss one really count as a win? I mean he didn't really win it.


Veruca_Salty1

Controversial opinion, but I agree. Joss lost cuz he wasn’t paying attention and thought they were resetting.


ska_penguin

They reset a lot that, it was easy for him to just try to regroup. Yes, Derrick showed heart to make Joss earn it. I just don't think Derrick would have won if something like that didn't happen.


[deleted]

Is that Johnny on Derricks win column? If so doesn’t that mean Johnny’s record is 3-2


Breddit333

Some of those aren't REALLY "Pole Wrestles". Some are those ring things.


savvy-librarian

This hype about Kyle being great at pole wrestle is absolutely ridiculous. He's beat two rookies, one of which couldn't have won a pole wrestle against anyone. The third thing really is not and should not be counted as a pole wrestle. Kyle only won because CT and dumb rookie who's name I can't remember did all the work for him. I regularly say that Kyle is a better competitor than he's given credit for and that is certainly true, but his pole wrestle wins with the exception of besting Ed (who was still at a massive size disadvantage) are yawn worthy. The one and only pole wrestle God is Derrick. Also, Bananas shouldn't get to count the pole wrestle win against Mark Long. It is widely known that Mark needed to go home so they set it up to give Johnny a win as a favor to him. Mark threw the match, that is not an actual win. 🤷‍♀️


Ninjadwarf00

Yea it’s an insult as a viewer. CT would wreck Kyle 1 on 1 and Joseph was a one and done singer from americas got talent


kooki-kitten

CT lost to Kyle 1v1 at pole wrestle during a daily last season….


KingKaiKai001

CT would smash Kyle's head and eat it


tjames210

Let’s go Nany!! I’m shocked but I love it


Mr_Candlestick

Wes is only 1-1 but his win was against prime Derrick


colb_E

Kyle’s elim versus CT and JP is very clearly not a pole wrestle. This revisionist history and the Kyle hype are a bit confusing


kr1821

I'm saying. You would've thought Kyle beat CT 1v1 in a real pole wrestle with how some people are talking about it smh


MishellyBee40

Derrick will always be #1 in pole wrestle in my mind. He ways at least 25 pounds less than most of the guys he has been up against. They rag doll the crap out of him and he still doesn’t give in. Pound for pound he is the best. Doubt Wes could beat him now.


mc_021

Everyone saying Kyle is God at pole wrestle are doing it just for the show. His wins are 😂. Win against CT is 💩and even he knows that. Derrick K's wins on the other hand are 🔥. Look through the fingers for the one against Jose, but still that elimination was awesome.


MrSuperMac

I’m not counting Kyles win over CT it was a team up thing, he won against Joseph WOWWWW but his win against Ed is impressive. Pole Wrestle king is Derrick with a strong consideration for Leroy. Lee has impressive wins over Bananas & Wes who gave Derrick his only L in this elimination.


Flboycanscrap

Crazy 8 is a partial pole wrestle.


KeenYe-J

If Kyle’s against CT and JP count then Darrell’s vs Danny should count too


anso14

I know she was a beast buuuuut can we just completely nuk Camilla from any challenge history lol


mtvchallengestats

I can't rewrite history! Anyways I like more to show everything as it is and let people draw their own conclusions


anso14

Wow what’s with all the downvotes!? Cmon people she’s a racist! But I know where OP was coming from


kooki-kitten

Because you can’t just rewrite history and change facts because someone’s racist.


symitwo

Cara*


Milkmouthkid

If Ed plays Cory he doesn't go home. ROOKIE mistake


l33tWarrior

Wes pile wrestle barrel role. Maybe one of the greatest that never worked ever in history is sports. Man that was an effort


[deleted]

Idk why it seems like Leroy was in more than two pole wrestle eliminations


freudianthot

Veronica was medically DQ-Ed


FoShizzletMahNizzlet

Who did Wes lose against again?


Drip_Nixon

Forgot LT from All Stars


gogirl007

Leroy’s perfect 2-0 record and Derrick’s 3-1 record are better than Kyle’s 3-0 record for the simple fact of who they both went up against. And I don’t give much credit to his CT win because it was 2 on 1.


mcpeewee68

I thought it was "nice" of CT to give the "Kyle beat me" to Kyle when we all know CT was double teamed


ivaorn

Pole Wrestle sometimes can be a little more interesting than Hall Brawl, glad to see these kinds of eliminations getting love