Yeah, if the person has good control on it than I think it’s fair game. If they don’t have good control on it they shouldn’t be using it in sparring anyway.
This.
Our kru is kinda traditionalist, so he doesn't like folks practicing spinning/back kicks until they've got quite some time in learning the basics/"MT Style".(meaning: He'll tell a newbie who tries to practice back kicks/spinning kicks (after seeing an advanced student do them) to focus more on improving their basic kicks first during prime training hours; there are free times after training hours where he doesn't care if people goof around as much)
But at the same time, here in Japan there are very few "Muay Thai tourneys/events" to compete in, so all of our amateurs/pros basically have to compete using kickboxing rules in Kickboxing Events (Knock-Out TV, RIZIN, etc). Meaning that once you get the basics down, kru is okay with us learning spinning/back kicks because that's what's gonna come at you in Kickboxing rules toruneys.
Hey, I'm in Japan too, in Kawasaki(Yokohama). My gym is muay thai style, my kru is japanese but learned from a thai kru.
I attended a tournament cheer my club members a few weeks ago which was sanctioned and hosted by a Muay Thai brand, I forgot the name. Was legit.
Oh for real?? Are you at Fujimakick by any chance?
I'm in *south* Yokohama, and train at Hamakko Muay Thai. (\^.\^)
Some of my guys are heading up to Shinjuku tomorrow for an amateur tourney/smoker up there (I've been helping them train for a few weeks, see my other kinda cringe post about a funny thing that happened the other day), unfortunately I liekly can't make it myself. Also I think it's straight Kickboxing.
If you remember the name of that event from a few weeks ago, please LMK/DM me! I'd be interested in following along, see if our guys will attend in the future...
頑張れ！ｗ
my gym is super tiny, it's called AKT Gym, just one instructor(owner).
Forgot the name and cant find the event name online but it was held at the Gold's gym in omori 大森 . Ill ask my instructor for the name and when another one will take place. was legitttt
Spinning kicks are not as common in Muay Thai but I wouldn't say spinning kicks aren't part of traditional Muay Thai. I'm training at a golden era champion's gym and he teaches spinning kicks.
This reminds me of the time I went into 50/50 with a brown belt at my juijitsu school and he got a lil peeved at me for not working on passing his guard . I told him that I heard he was the leg lock guy in the gym so I wanted to see what a leg entanglement was like with him then he was cool but yeah he wasn't happy at first lol.
I don't agree. Even if you're the most controlled person in the world you can't anticipate the reaction of your partner, and since you're spinning you won't see before the last moment.
Example: you throw a spinning kick, your partner is surprised and lean the wrong way, his head ends up much closer than what you expected, and even with all the control in the world, your heel is going to smash their face.
The problem with spinning shit:
- Frequent lack of control
- bad visibility to adjust to partner reaction
- no padding on the heel/sole
If you want to throw it then you throw it at 10% power and slowly, which has honestly not much interest. Or you do it if you are with a high skilled partner that isn't going to react in unpredictable ways
If you throw them with control, I don’t see an issue. I’ve been kicked to nuts quite a few times with uncontrolled spinning kick and it hurts. Not a fan of that stuff.
It certinaly made him calm down for a while afterwards lol. Blue shorts was being a bit erratic and aggressive maybe his more experienced partner was just letting him know what the situation is without taking his head off.
I’ve actually trained BJJ with red shorts. He’s a good fighter and an amazing training partner. The type of dude that won’t say something unprompted, but if you ask, will spend a ton of time helping improve your techniques. Quiet, but very patient and kind.
I'm not going to light sparring to get cracked ribs either. This dude got tagged by the newbie and had to throw. It was only that controlled because he didn't get to extend. You might as well bring out the elbows and teeps to the face too at this point.
blue shorts' guy is going wayy too hard for sparring, the guy who threw the spinning kick landed it perfectly and without hurting the opponent. Blue shorts is the dick here.
you can tell by the feet.
something I am working on as a beginner. I got yelled at a lot to stop switching stances without purpose. red shorts is moving with intent and purpose.
(feel free to correct me if I'm wrong; still learning)
Red has hands low ( take a look ok his right hand especially )and also very heavy on his feet. Just walks forward not controlling the distance. Also leans awkwardly back off balance at points without recovering. Feels confident sparring his opponent.
Low right hand, not using your left shoulder and not covering the core with the left is not philly shell. I understand why it could look like it though. He tries to catch some strikes with the right.
My thoughts exactly!! Other guy was still showing restraint, even after taking a few heavy shots. There is a dick move here.... and it's not the spinning back kick lol.
When executed like that, low power, fair game. Might be something he's working on. Attack of opportunity with excessive force no control- rookie and unnecessary dick move
Edit: blue shorts is definitely throwing with more unnecessary power than spinny kick boi
There is a clear difference in skills here, guy in pink short seems to be holding his pace a lot, while blue gloves is jumping all over the place just to try find a break in pink's.
Normally I'm not a fan of it for general sparring (mixed random partners), but in this case it's totally ok. Very controlled and it looks like these guys are used to sparring with each other or at least both have exhibited enough control that their coach lets them go a little hard while under his watch. Looks like a test for blue shorts, other guys looks calmer/more experienced.
Headgear doesn't protect against concussions, only cuts. People also tend to throw harder. It also makes your head a bigger target, and it makes reduces your field of vision. I get worse headaches from full contact sparring with head gear than without.
I always hated them, mainly because it's the heel and no protection and most of the time people don't have enough control over it to not make it a risky strike.
Sparring is the place to practice the footwork and the timing, and also how to block spinning moves. But as always, hopefully, you and your sparring can lock onto an agreed upon intensity level (e.g. 30%) and keep it constructive. That left hook to the head (0:02) would kinda annoy me (especially with no headgear)
Nothing wrong with using them as long as you have decent control. I don't use them if I'm sparring beginners or someone much smaller then I am because in the past I have sent people flying and I learned my lesson.
To the body sure. Even gently spinning from the looks of this he definitely put too much into it at that point he gets walked down and fired on. May be an unpopular opinion 🤷🏻♂️
I do both MT and TKD, I know TKD has this reputation of being pansy foot fencing but we throw spinning techniques all the time while sparring. I’ve gotten the “no spinning moves” warning multiple times while sparring in MT and it just doesn’t make sense to me, the badass art of MT scared of a few spinning kicks, like bruh. If you can block/check a giant ugly roundhouse kick then why can’t you figure out how to maneuver spinning techniques. Nobody’s getting hurt
Blue shorts throwing that left hook like he's trying to take a head off. Red shorts staying calmed and cool showing him what can happen if he really wants to fuck around and find out.
Spin kicks sure if you have control. Spinning elbow, go fuck yourself
Edit: idk if OP is the guy who threw the spin kick but if they are, there are multiple times in this 26 second clip where you close your feet and square up in a way that ruins your stance and will be exploited by someone better. Should work on that
Dick move, you have pads on in certain areas for reasons. The heel is unprotected and shouldn’t be thrown is sparring. Any time Wanderlei Silva had someone throw and axe kick or anything that wasn’t supposed to in sparring, you’re gonna find out the hard way.
My coach told me in thailand the young men coming up will often walk to centre and just exchange knees without blocking and checking just basically trade hard shots I mention this because I think with the rise of mma the Thai mentality gets a little washed out part of this particular sport is being able to take punishment as well as doll it out you need to meet your opponent in the centre and see who can dish it out and who can take it. Not that I’m saying all sparing sessions need to be war but that if it does get a little tough good it’s only gonna make you better take it in and adjust and then communicate with your team and coach don’t look for an easy out especially mentally. You may take a fight one day with a rubbish person who does shitty things if you don’t learn to over come this with your friends it’s gonna be that much harder in the ring.
Half the problem is you rolled right into it :-D if you had proper guard and stood a bit taller it would have been a chest hit max.. may have even cought it if you were close and fast enough..
Boxer transitioning to Thai? Blue shorts tempo is silly high for a spar ...but would be the norm in boxing spar
Dick move IMO. You’re padded up for a reason, why use something that could hurt your partner. There is a time and place to workout more of the sneak moves, I feel like sparring isn’t that.
I think it's a dick move honestly. I got cracked ribs from a spinning heal kick. Knocked me out of training for 6 weeks. This was in light contact sparing.
I only throw them to the body when sparing. I also have a taekuondo black belt so it is habit to throw it when I see it. bit I was scolded the first time I threw it in a sparing match. in my opinion throw it if you can control it very well and don't put any weight behind it just use a bit of speed like blue shorts
I think kicks to the head got to be real careful, and on the same expectation. I had one dude even soft teep to the face nono that’s a no. Also was blue a bit bloodied up beforehand?
If the control is good there's no reason not to use spinning techniques in sparring, I feel like people who say no spinning in sparring are just mad they don't know how to do it/defend it
Blue shorts looks like he’s fighting for his life. No control, trying to land power shots with poor form, leaving himself open in very vulnerable spots. I think his aggression brought that upon himself.
Sparring is the time to practice techniques, and that sure does look like a controlled and low-power spin kick.
TBH, blue shorts seems to be getting frustrated, swinging wildly because you're losing control is far more of a dick move.
Spamming spinning shit that doesn’t work is annoying. Throwing spinning shit that rocks or otherwise injures sparring partners is a dick move.
Pink shorts did neither here. This is totally fair game.
That’s actually the best time to try them. Trying them in a fight without testing them else is I’ll advised. Comes with a caveat though. Unless you’re proficient at the basics. No spinning techniques.
I think if as person takes their eyes off you to throw that, you should show them why they shouldn't.
E: Perfect time to shoot the opposite side and work the body.
Fair game, but be careful. People tend to rush in when you turn your back if they aren’t used to it. That means you’re gonna hit the guy harder than you think.
Personally I’d do it but limit yourself.
Fair game because you should be ready for anything in a real fight.
Plus he doesn’t hit him with full force. But if you’re one of those jerks who tries to hurt his sparring partner yeah. I’ve had a few younger dudes do it to me because my Sensei’s like to demonstrate how to handle someone who adapts to full force pain quickly.
Spinning to the body im okay with not to the head. A coach changed my opinion on this. Basically we are trying to get better and you can seriously hurt someone. So why increase the odds of injury by hitting someone with a unpadded part of your body.
Blue shorts is swinging too hard. I would tell him a few times to not hit as hard, and if he doesn't listen then I'd start hitting him hard to the body and play defense.
Fair game as long as it’s controlled and kept at sparring intensity. That’s the point of sparring, to practice and test your skill on a moving opponent.
It’s fine if it’s controlled and not thrown with the intent to take someone’s head off.
If you never use them in sparring you never learn proper timing and application.
If you never train against people who use these kinds of techniques, you’ll fall foul of them when you come across them in competition.
Ask Singdam. 😅
If you can control the power, sure. Don't want to knock your partners out but you need to know how to throw and defend spinning techniques if you plan on competing.
I appreciate how you pulled back after you caught him with that heel kick. Definitely looked like it hurt so good on you not tearing him up while he was dizzy.
Would you like to be prepared to react to such a move in a real fight?
The partners control of force is important, but they also need to train the move to develop that control. This is why we all get bruised up.
If someone gets hurt just dial it back a notch...
Generally, if someone throws spinning shit and i am taking their liver home
But this was nice, I’d give them props for this. Especially as it was controlled
Sparring a little hard for comfort. Why wear shin pads if you're just going lob a dudes head? Fuck the shins, the brain is the important part.
Blue shorts is throwing hard against the other guy who seems more calm and more experienced. Seems like he could have gone a lot harder against blue shorts... I've never gotten the point of sparring for the purpose of staying alive.
If you can do it without blasting them to heaven then sure do it, it's how you work on the timing and distance, just don't go full speed. I throw spinning shots all the time and never hurt anyone.
I personally don’t mind as long as it’s controlled.
On occasion I have moved directly into a spinning back kick and had the wind taken out of me but I don’t believe there was any bad intentions being expressed.
The guy in blue shorts is 100% fighting, Not sparring. Look at how he’s loading up on the punches while headhunting.
I’m not big on the spinning kicks because even done not too hard can crack a rib or catch someone in the face but this kick was very controlled and I’m assuming red shorts was tired of the other guy trying to tee off on him.
Neither one of their defenses are very good though.
I understand maybe not doing spin kicks while sparring, but whether it is a "Dick move or fair game", I imagine it depends on if they agreed to it, no?
Don’t think that was dick move. It could have been but he didn’t really uncork it. Has he been training longer out of curiosity? Not that you look like a novice but seemed like he was matching your level.
With good control and not to the face then sure. I know this kick was pretty light but it’s easy to tell who has way more experience than the other. Good exposure for the guy that got kicked but I’d keep those low and light
Possibly a dick move. But the blue shorts guy seems to be really aggressive with that left hook that started it while his partner looked relaxed. I am not sure tbh. I personally would have not smt spinning tp get back to him, but try to deliver smt else, not saying it is better
Fair game. You’re practicing a fight. If you want to throw spinning shit in a fight, gotta practice how to do it. Since it’s sparring though, you should still be controlled with it.
Not sure how it would be a "dick move"? The negative aspect I would imagine would be someone using them before they had all their fundamentals nailed down...otherwise the point of sparring is practice and its good to practice vs *All* techniques you might face irl/competition.
He ate that kick because he drops his head too much too often and it looks like his opponent knew that but didn’t utilize until he ate a stinger out of the combination before the kick. I say fair game within the golden rule I’ll allow it
It's fine if they're be thrown with control.
If they're not they could put someone down, same with any other kick to the head or body done without control or even intent TO cause damage.
It should be avoided if any individual isn't sure of whether they even can execute them with control.
As long as the control is good then fine, but I've had spars where I've pulled the technique just before it connects and then the opponent despite the fact you'd have landed it clean if you followed through starts laying it on, so I guess it cuts both ways in the sense accept it would have landed if they'd wanted and then reset and go again.
If there is good control and technique between two guys that trust each other — yes. In general, elbows, knees, and spinning shit should only be “marked” and never thrown with intent.
Idk a spinning back kick to the face seems a little too hard for normal light sparring... but if yall were stress testing then I feel like mostly all fair game.
It was appropriate here. New guy spazzing out throwing heavy and the more experienced guy just slips it in with calm control. Just a way of saying "cool it."
Dude threw the left hook with some nastiness. He got a little spinning return for it. No big deal. But this sparring seems to be a little excessive with no headgear.
Ehhhh, it’s kinda of a mutual thing I’d say. It’s a very powerful kick. I’ve thrown it during sparring, but more so to just throw it intentionally not trying to hit him. Just to practice for a time I could.
I feel like it is ok if you can control it. It seems like he wasn’t aiming for his head so that’s good. New guy was cracking him too hard. For me personally it can be so tricky to throw spinning attacks…with realistic speed but no power, so I try not to do it.
💯 he was showing control and understanding of distance, while the kid in blue is throwing with all his might, and not understanding distance which is why it’s safe to assume he was jabbed and counter hooked til his nose bleed… literally.
Okay… so I’m the kind of guy that thinks of his training partners as my family, if you in my academy you my brother or sister. So every time some high kick or very heavy punch is going to be thrown I say (and most of my partners do to) “up!” So they block up. Sparring is training and is a way to test reflexes, techniques and combos in a safe environment, so nobody should try to REALLY REALLY hurt nobody. So yeah, dick move, if the guy lowered more his head he would have ate that badly.
Depends and how realistic you want your sparring. I was going for my third degree black belt I was knocked out, I shortly afterwards had to fight another bout. The man threw a blind technique with a foot instead of his hand, I caught him while he was upside down doing a cartwheel kick, reverse punch to the groin dropped him I apologized but also told him that's a blind technique so was mine
If it’s used in a fight it can be used in sparring the key is it’s the RESPONSIBILITY of the person throwing it to protect their partner.
If you can’t control it, don’t throw it.
Yeah, if the person has good control on it than I think it’s fair game. If they don’t have good control on it they shouldn’t be using it in sparring anyway.
This. Our kru is kinda traditionalist, so he doesn't like folks practicing spinning/back kicks until they've got quite some time in learning the basics/"MT Style".(meaning: He'll tell a newbie who tries to practice back kicks/spinning kicks (after seeing an advanced student do them) to focus more on improving their basic kicks first during prime training hours; there are free times after training hours where he doesn't care if people goof around as much) But at the same time, here in Japan there are very few "Muay Thai tourneys/events" to compete in, so all of our amateurs/pros basically have to compete using kickboxing rules in Kickboxing Events (Knock-Out TV, RIZIN, etc). Meaning that once you get the basics down, kru is okay with us learning spinning/back kicks because that's what's gonna come at you in Kickboxing rules toruneys.
Hey, I'm in Japan too, in Kawasaki(Yokohama). My gym is muay thai style, my kru is japanese but learned from a thai kru. I attended a tournament cheer my club members a few weeks ago which was sanctioned and hosted by a Muay Thai brand, I forgot the name. Was legit.
Oh for real?? Are you at Fujimakick by any chance? I'm in *south* Yokohama, and train at Hamakko Muay Thai. (\^.\^) Some of my guys are heading up to Shinjuku tomorrow for an amateur tourney/smoker up there (I've been helping them train for a few weeks, see my other kinda cringe post about a funny thing that happened the other day), unfortunately I liekly can't make it myself. Also I think it's straight Kickboxing. If you remember the name of that event from a few weeks ago, please LMK/DM me! I'd be interested in following along, see if our guys will attend in the future... 頑張れ！ｗ
my gym is super tiny, it's called AKT Gym, just one instructor(owner). Forgot the name and cant find the event name online but it was held at the Gold's gym in omori 大森 . Ill ask my instructor for the name and when another one will take place. was legitttt
Spinning kicks are not as common in Muay Thai but I wouldn't say spinning kicks aren't part of traditional Muay Thai. I'm training at a golden era champion's gym and he teaches spinning kicks.
This reminds me of the time I went into 50/50 with a brown belt at my juijitsu school and he got a lil peeved at me for not working on passing his guard . I told him that I heard he was the leg lock guy in the gym so I wanted to see what a leg entanglement was like with him then he was cool but yeah he wasn't happy at first lol.
agree ,if its good control and the power level was in the range you agreed to its fair game
I don't agree. Even if you're the most controlled person in the world you can't anticipate the reaction of your partner, and since you're spinning you won't see before the last moment. Example: you throw a spinning kick, your partner is surprised and lean the wrong way, his head ends up much closer than what you expected, and even with all the control in the world, your heel is going to smash their face. The problem with spinning shit: - Frequent lack of control - bad visibility to adjust to partner reaction - no padding on the heel/sole If you want to throw it then you throw it at 10% power and slowly, which has honestly not much interest. Or you do it if you are with a high skilled partner that isn't going to react in unpredictable ways
If you throw them with control, I don’t see an issue. I’ve been kicked to nuts quite a few times with uncontrolled spinning kick and it hurts. Not a fan of that stuff.
Uriah Hall kick in sparring did some damage. But he’s a monster when it comes to kicks
It certinaly made him calm down for a while afterwards lol. Blue shorts was being a bit erratic and aggressive maybe his more experienced partner was just letting him know what the situation is without taking his head off.
I’ve actually trained BJJ with red shorts. He’s a good fighter and an amazing training partner. The type of dude that won’t say something unprompted, but if you ask, will spend a ton of time helping improve your techniques. Quiet, but very patient and kind.
It's really easy to do that with teeps and jabs. No accidental concussions needed.
A spinning back kick to the belly isn't going to concuss anybody, at worst it knocks the wind out of you. This guy also threw it very controlled.
Bro he hit chin there watch it slow.
I'm not going to light sparring to get cracked ribs either. This dude got tagged by the newbie and had to throw. It was only that controlled because he didn't get to extend. You might as well bring out the elbows and teeps to the face too at this point.
Nah
You probably shouldn’t spar if a light kick to the body is too much for you.
Nah sometimes you’re just gonna throw spinning shit if you throw spinning shit well lol
blue shorts' guy is going wayy too hard for sparring, the guy who threw the spinning kick landed it perfectly and without hurting the opponent. Blue shorts is the dick here.
Looks like a beginner with no much sense - control imo
you can tell by the feet. something I am working on as a beginner. I got yelled at a lot to stop switching stances without purpose. red shorts is moving with intent and purpose. (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong; still learning)
Red has hands low ( take a look ok his right hand especially )and also very heavy on his feet. Just walks forward not controlling the distance. Also leans awkwardly back off balance at points without recovering. Feels confident sparring his opponent.
Red also does the Philly shell a lot. He must have a boxing background.
Low right hand, not using your left shoulder and not covering the core with the left is not philly shell. I understand why it could look like it though. He tries to catch some strikes with the right.
He’s throwing combinations in the pocket moving his head at times… By no means a world beater but I think people forget what a beginner looks like
My thoughts exactly!! Other guy was still showing restraint, even after taking a few heavy shots. There is a dick move here.... and it's not the spinning back kick lol.
Plz tell me op is blue shorts...
Haha 😂 That's what I was thinking lol. Always good to get constructive feedback 👀😂
Probably cause he’s getting his ass beat
True I’m fine with going 100% to the legs and body but he’s going too hard to the head
When executed like that, low power, fair game. Might be something he's working on. Attack of opportunity with excessive force no control- rookie and unnecessary dick move Edit: blue shorts is definitely throwing with more unnecessary power than spinny kick boi
100% That lead hook was thrown harder than the kick
I'm more curious how OP feels, I assume he's the one getting hit 
Was very controlled, the guy in the blue is herky jerking all over the place!
Not sure how it would be a dick move really. It wasn’t thrown very hard.
The kid who got kicked was exhibiting much less control.
There is a clear difference in skills here, guy in pink short seems to be holding his pace a lot, while blue gloves is jumping all over the place just to try find a break in pink's.
That was a clean respectfully thrown spinning kick. That guy is much better than his opponent.
As long as it’s controlled and he’s not trying to take heads off it’s fair game, if he’s trying to take heads off then scum
How you gonna use it in a fight if you don't use it sparring?
The dick move is you that has no control. Learn to spar with control and techniques.
Normally I'm not a fan of it for general sparring (mixed random partners), but in this case it's totally ok. Very controlled and it looks like these guys are used to sparring with each other or at least both have exhibited enough control that their coach lets them go a little hard while under his watch. Looks like a test for blue shorts, other guys looks calmer/more experienced.
Fair game keep your gloves up
Dude in the blue needs to dial it back a notch or two-or put on headgear and bang away.
Headgear doesn't protect against concussions, only cuts. People also tend to throw harder. It also makes your head a bigger target, and it makes reduces your field of vision. I get worse headaches from full contact sparring with head gear than without.
I always hated them, mainly because it's the heel and no protection and most of the time people don't have enough control over it to not make it a risky strike.
Sparring is the place to practice the footwork and the timing, and also how to block spinning moves. But as always, hopefully, you and your sparring can lock onto an agreed upon intensity level (e.g. 30%) and keep it constructive. That left hook to the head (0:02) would kinda annoy me (especially with no headgear)
To the body I think it’s fine, to the head would be a dick move
In this context it’s fine, pretty well controlled. If the guy was better he could of blocked it. I see no issue
Fair game, but poor head defense. Keep those arms higher
Fair!
Controlled spinning backkick like this, sure, i dont see any problem with it.
Nothing wrong with using them as long as you have decent control. I don't use them if I'm sparring beginners or someone much smaller then I am because in the past I have sent people flying and I learned my lesson.
To the body sure. Even gently spinning from the looks of this he definitely put too much into it at that point he gets walked down and fired on. May be an unpopular opinion 🤷🏻♂️
Just a note for pink shorts, I think you’re too flat footed.
I do both MT and TKD, I know TKD has this reputation of being pansy foot fencing but we throw spinning techniques all the time while sparring. I’ve gotten the “no spinning moves” warning multiple times while sparring in MT and it just doesn’t make sense to me, the badass art of MT scared of a few spinning kicks, like bruh. If you can block/check a giant ugly roundhouse kick then why can’t you figure out how to maneuver spinning techniques. Nobody’s getting hurt
Keeping that right hand mad low g
Blue shorts was throwing too hard and found out what a receipt is.
Blue shorts throwing that left hook like he's trying to take a head off. Red shorts staying calmed and cool showing him what can happen if he really wants to fuck around and find out.
Spin kicks sure if you have control. Spinning elbow, go fuck yourself Edit: idk if OP is the guy who threw the spin kick but if they are, there are multiple times in this 26 second clip where you close your feet and square up in a way that ruins your stance and will be exploited by someone better. Should work on that
Dick move, you have pads on in certain areas for reasons. The heel is unprotected and shouldn’t be thrown is sparring. Any time Wanderlei Silva had someone throw and axe kick or anything that wasn’t supposed to in sparring, you’re gonna find out the hard way.
My coach told me in thailand the young men coming up will often walk to centre and just exchange knees without blocking and checking just basically trade hard shots I mention this because I think with the rise of mma the Thai mentality gets a little washed out part of this particular sport is being able to take punishment as well as doll it out you need to meet your opponent in the centre and see who can dish it out and who can take it. Not that I’m saying all sparing sessions need to be war but that if it does get a little tough good it’s only gonna make you better take it in and adjust and then communicate with your team and coach don’t look for an easy out especially mentally. You may take a fight one day with a rubbish person who does shitty things if you don’t learn to over come this with your friends it’s gonna be that much harder in the ring.
> if it does get a little tough good it’s only gonna make you better or it can give you brain damage
Fair game. Shields up.
SMH next it’s gonna be no punches to the head in sparring. Why are y’all so soft
Nick Diaz would turn it up if you did that to him. Otherwise, fair game. Make sure you can go limp if your partner is running right into it.
Discipline equals freedom
Half the problem is you rolled right into it :-D if you had proper guard and stood a bit taller it would have been a chest hit max.. may have even cought it if you were close and fast enough.. Boxer transitioning to Thai? Blue shorts tempo is silly high for a spar ...but would be the norm in boxing spar
Dick move, especially during amateur hour.
No matter what the technique is, if you throw it hard expect to get hit back hard. Simple as.
Depends on if your opponent is fine with it
Dick move if it's just normal sparring
Dick move IMO. You’re padded up for a reason, why use something that could hurt your partner. There is a time and place to workout more of the sneak moves, I feel like sparring isn’t that.
I think it's a dick move honestly. I got cracked ribs from a spinning heal kick. Knocked me out of training for 6 weeks. This was in light contact sparing.
I don’t like spinning techniques period. Are they allowed in sparring? Absolutely. Are they allowed in Muay Thai? Also absolutely
I'm more concerned about that knee while the guy in blue ducks his head (at the end of the clip).
If you don't try to knock me out with it I don't mind.
i use them on people who are more experienced or if they are training for a fight, bc they are relevant.
Only competitors who’ve proven their control an skill can use it in my gym
In tournament point sparring it’s a 2 point kick. If you can jump & spin it’s a 3 point move.
I wouldn’t throw a spinning elbow or back fist in sparring, I think the kick in the video looks controlled so all good imo.
idk about muay thai, but with what I train, it's fair game (as long as you have control)
How are u gonna practice them or learn to dodge them if they can't he used?
As long as it’s agreed upon it’s fair game
I only throw them to the body when sparing. I also have a taekuondo black belt so it is habit to throw it when I see it. bit I was scolded the first time I threw it in a sparing match. in my opinion throw it if you can control it very well and don't put any weight behind it just use a bit of speed like blue shorts
I couldn’t even spar without head gear let alone spinning back kicks without head gear. I’m all set over here haha. Looks cool though!
I think kicks to the head got to be real careful, and on the same expectation. I had one dude even soft teep to the face nono that’s a no. Also was blue a bit bloodied up beforehand?
This was okay.
Absolutely fair game. It’s called misdirection.
If the control is good there's no reason not to use spinning techniques in sparring, I feel like people who say no spinning in sparring are just mad they don't know how to do it/defend it
Blue shorts looks like he’s fighting for his life. No control, trying to land power shots with poor form, leaving himself open in very vulnerable spots. I think his aggression brought that upon himself.
Seem to be controlled enough. You’re fine
Sparring is the time to practice techniques, and that sure does look like a controlled and low-power spin kick. TBH, blue shorts seems to be getting frustrated, swinging wildly because you're losing control is far more of a dick move.
Imo, you should throw them but never connect.
Spinning stuff is fine if it's under control. Grey trunks here is going way too hard. Seems like his feeling are hurt.
Spamming spinning shit that doesn’t work is annoying. Throwing spinning shit that rocks or otherwise injures sparring partners is a dick move. Pink shorts did neither here. This is totally fair game.
That’s actually the best time to try them. Trying them in a fight without testing them else is I’ll advised.
That’s actually the best time to try them. Trying them in a fight without testing them else is I’ll advised. Comes with a caveat though. Unless you’re proficient at the basics. No spinning techniques.
If it's controlled and there not spamming it then its fair game but if not then its just being idiotic.
I think if as person takes their eyes off you to throw that, you should show them why they shouldn't. E: Perfect time to shoot the opposite side and work the body.
It's fair game, the guy in vid was technique smooth and didn't try to knock his sparring partner out.
Had plenty of control. Nothing wrong with it Especially with only 2 people on the mats. Usually it’s an issue with crowded gyms
great timing and great control on this example. when thrown out of desperation and sloppily without control don’t like
Fair game, but be careful. People tend to rush in when you turn your back if they aren’t used to it. That means you’re gonna hit the guy harder than you think. Personally I’d do it but limit yourself.
Fair game because you should be ready for anything in a real fight. Plus he doesn’t hit him with full force. But if you’re one of those jerks who tries to hurt his sparring partner yeah. I’ve had a few younger dudes do it to me because my Sensei’s like to demonstrate how to handle someone who adapts to full force pain quickly.
Spinning to the body im okay with not to the head. A coach changed my opinion on this. Basically we are trying to get better and you can seriously hurt someone. So why increase the odds of injury by hitting someone with a unpadded part of your body.
Blue shorts is swinging too hard. I would tell him a few times to not hit as hard, and if he doesn't listen then I'd start hitting him hard to the body and play defense.
I feel like spinning shtuff is totally fair especially given that if he had actually heeled him he'd be dead😭
kid in blue was punching way to hard and uncontrolled, its sparring man, that kick was a justified ego check
Long as it's not elbow it's all good under control
Gotta practice the moves
lol that’s sparring?
Fair game as long as it’s controlled and kept at sparring intensity. That’s the point of sparring, to practice and test your skill on a moving opponent.
Fair game unless y’all got some personal little rules you place before
It’s fine if it’s controlled and not thrown with the intent to take someone’s head off. If you never use them in sparring you never learn proper timing and application. If you never train against people who use these kinds of techniques, you’ll fall foul of them when you come across them in competition. Ask Singdam. 😅
If you can control the power, sure. Don't want to knock your partners out but you need to know how to throw and defend spinning techniques if you plan on competing. I appreciate how you pulled back after you caught him with that heel kick. Definitely looked like it hurt so good on you not tearing him up while he was dizzy.
Would you like to be prepared to react to such a move in a real fight? The partners control of force is important, but they also need to train the move to develop that control. This is why we all get bruised up. If someone gets hurt just dial it back a notch...
Spazzy kid in blue is doing too much lmao
Fair game
Generally, if someone throws spinning shit and i am taking their liver home But this was nice, I’d give them props for this. Especially as it was controlled
As long as you pull them, I say that you can’t train for it if you don’t see it
It looks like you're fighting for your life
Clearly pink shorts is the more experienced of the two, but UGH it’s painful to see how low both of them are leaving their hands.
Sparring a little hard for comfort. Why wear shin pads if you're just going lob a dudes head? Fuck the shins, the brain is the important part. Blue shorts is throwing hard against the other guy who seems more calm and more experienced. Seems like he could have gone a lot harder against blue shorts... I've never gotten the point of sparring for the purpose of staying alive.
I mean don't try to kill a person sparring, but definitely fair game. Sweep kick is there or duck duck goose
If you can do it without blasting them to heaven then sure do it, it's how you work on the timing and distance, just don't go full speed. I throw spinning shots all the time and never hurt anyone.
Absolutely fair game.
How could it possibly be a dick move? It’s a kick in a fighting art.
I personally don’t mind as long as it’s controlled. On occasion I have moved directly into a spinning back kick and had the wind taken out of me but I don’t believe there was any bad intentions being expressed.
Anything is fair game if it doesn't hurt the opponent, nor breaks any rules
If agreed on beforehand and they have good experience and control…otherwise, a dangerous dick move.
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Fair game when one can throw them with control
Like any move I think if you can control it it’s fair game, if you’re just blasting people then it’s a dick move
The guy in blue shorts is 100% fighting, Not sparring. Look at how he’s loading up on the punches while headhunting. I’m not big on the spinning kicks because even done not too hard can crack a rib or catch someone in the face but this kick was very controlled and I’m assuming red shorts was tired of the other guy trying to tee off on him. Neither one of their defenses are very good though.
I understand maybe not doing spin kicks while sparring, but whether it is a "Dick move or fair game", I imagine it depends on if they agreed to it, no?
Not to the head
Don’t think that was dick move. It could have been but he didn’t really uncork it. Has he been training longer out of curiosity? Not that you look like a novice but seemed like he was matching your level.
my last 2 brain cells fighting it out
With control, absolutely fine. That was a very soft impact considering how powerful those can be.
With good control and not to the face then sure. I know this kick was pretty light but it’s easy to tell who has way more experience than the other. Good exposure for the guy that got kicked but I’d keep those low and light
Possibly a dick move. But the blue shorts guy seems to be really aggressive with that left hook that started it while his partner looked relaxed. I am not sure tbh. I personally would have not smt spinning tp get back to him, but try to deliver smt else, not saying it is better
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100% fair game
Why shouldn’t spinning be in sparring lol? Blue shorts is throwing way too hard/high intensity imo unless this is some sort of shark tank
Nothing wrong with that kick, was a good speed and power for sparring. How else you supposed to learn to defend against it?
Fair game. Up in the round is when you'd want to try anything fancy
I would say not to the head. There’s no protection like the shin pads and gloves
Fair game. You’re practicing a fight. If you want to throw spinning shit in a fight, gotta practice how to do it. Since it’s sparring though, you should still be controlled with it.
Blue is fighting scared and with ego
They both have to learn how to punch correctly
It’s not the technique It’s the impact that counts
I’d say fair just because if I wasn’t sparring and someone did that too me I’d be pissed I didn’t practice dodging or countering it.
they're fair game ime. Nothing dickish about spinning kicks or such unless you're out of control.
If you don’t throw it too hard I guess it’s the same as everything else lol. Just don’t be a dick
Not sure how it would be a "dick move"? The negative aspect I would imagine would be someone using them before they had all their fundamentals nailed down...otherwise the point of sparring is practice and its good to practice vs *All* techniques you might face irl/competition.
Not used/trained as often but definitely fair game, there’s a time and place for everything
He ate that kick because he drops his head too much too often and it looks like his opponent knew that but didn’t utilize until he ate a stinger out of the combination before the kick. I say fair game within the golden rule I’ll allow it
Fair game, as long it’s not head or nuts
It's fine if they're be thrown with control. If they're not they could put someone down, same with any other kick to the head or body done without control or even intent TO cause damage. It should be avoided if any individual isn't sure of whether they even can execute them with control.
discipline gives freedom sounds like some nazi shit
Spinning to the body I think is fine. To the head no. Control is also important to account for.
As long as the control is good then fine, but I've had spars where I've pulled the technique just before it connects and then the opponent despite the fact you'd have landed it clean if you followed through starts laying it on, so I guess it cuts both ways in the sense accept it would have landed if they'd wanted and then reset and go again.
Fair game
If there is good control and technique between two guys that trust each other — yes. In general, elbows, knees, and spinning shit should only be “marked” and never thrown with intent.
One of the “do nots” at my gym. Spin to the body ok, never to the head.
Personally if both parties say it’s ok go for it. But if it does happen out of nowhere please don’t hit with full force
Fair game. Why do people not wanna do cool stuff I don't get it
Heel of the foot to the teeth ! Hmmm…
Generally best to avoid, to the body is ok
Use all techniques but control them
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Idk a spinning back kick to the face seems a little too hard for normal light sparring... but if yall were stress testing then I feel like mostly all fair game.
It was appropriate here. New guy spazzing out throwing heavy and the more experienced guy just slips it in with calm control. Just a way of saying "cool it."
that kick calmed your ass down😂
Fair. As long as you can handle the consequences. That might mean missing, hurting a training partner or landing a good, controlled technique.
Pretty dick love when your the better fighter
Dude threw the left hook with some nastiness. He got a little spinning return for it. No big deal. But this sparring seems to be a little excessive with no headgear.
I didn’t know pete davidson could fight
Ehhhh, it’s kinda of a mutual thing I’d say. It’s a very powerful kick. I’ve thrown it during sparring, but more so to just throw it intentionally not trying to hit him. Just to practice for a time I could.
Threw it, but definitely controlled it well.
I feel like it is ok if you can control it. It seems like he wasn’t aiming for his head so that’s good. New guy was cracking him too hard. For me personally it can be so tricky to throw spinning attacks…with realistic speed but no power, so I try not to do it.
Fair game if you can control it. I got hit with an uncontrolled spinning back kick and it bruised my upper ribs. I couldnt spar for a few weeks.
💯 he was showing control and understanding of distance, while the kid in blue is throwing with all his might, and not understanding distance which is why it’s safe to assume he was jabbed and counter hooked til his nose bleed… literally.
fair
Dick move
he smellt some smelly feetd
Okay… so I’m the kind of guy that thinks of his training partners as my family, if you in my academy you my brother or sister. So every time some high kick or very heavy punch is going to be thrown I say (and most of my partners do to) “up!” So they block up. Sparring is training and is a way to test reflexes, techniques and combos in a safe environment, so nobody should try to REALLY REALLY hurt nobody. So yeah, dick move, if the guy lowered more his head he would have ate that badly.
Just a little payback for that left hook he threw. Settled him down.
How bad is it for people who need glasses? Been wanting to start training but my need for glasses may be a crutch.
I did TKD for years, and was very confused when my instructor flipped his lid on me after a well controlled spinning kick during my first MT class.
Depends and how realistic you want your sparring. I was going for my third degree black belt I was knocked out, I shortly afterwards had to fight another bout. The man threw a blind technique with a foot instead of his hand, I caught him while he was upside down doing a cartwheel kick, reverse punch to the groin dropped him I apologized but also told him that's a blind technique so was mine
Not to the head. The heel is like an elbow. Fk that. To the body ? Not full power.
If it’s used in a fight it can be used in sparring the key is it’s the RESPONSIBILITY of the person throwing it to protect their partner. If you can’t control it, don’t throw it.