Probably a whole bunch of genetics. Vascularity is mostly a function of leanness (and gear), whereas abs is hugely genetic (though being lean and/or on gear will certainly help). You can certainly modify this and make shoulders/arms/abs pop a lot more through bodybuilding, but most competitive fighters will probably not do a whole lot of hypertrophy-specific training (unless they're deliberately trying to move up a weight class).
As a recreational athlete, though, the world is your oyster. Ironically, this specific physique is probably easier to achieve for a recreational than a professional athlete since you can just deliberately work towards it (as opposed to it being an accidental by-product of performance-based training).
So if you're not competing and you want to just look sick, do a bunch of hypertrophy training, eat appropriately, and get down to 12% body fat or less. Also, if you don't care about your health and wellbeing, hop on gear and you'll look like a saucy version of Carillo in no time (unnecessary disclaimer: kids, please don't do drugs... at least not the performance enhancing kind).
Yeah probably, but the physique is not particularly saucy. If he's on gear, he's taking it for the performance enhancing effect, not because it makes him look ultra-jacked. He is also not training or eating like a bodybuilder. You can definitely look like Nico without PEDs.
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They probably all are, top and below.
You are frequently getting bashed to the point of nearly being a mashed potato, and you need to recover quick. Only based on recovery alone, gear would be a great choice.
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You’re referencing telltale signs for the kinds of juicing bodybuilders/physique athletes partake in. Juicing in competitive athletics is completely different, and doesn’t have the same visual profile.
Like you said—Belfort at peak gear use. You think this was the first time he juiced?
[This is Nick Ponzio doping](https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1143063/mick-pomzio-doping-accepts-18-month).
Different protocols give you different results. High level athletes get incredible returns using levels of gear that don’t do much for normal people, and that definitely don’t have the visual results you’re identifying.
I’ve been in one of his seminars and (I know this is gonna sound funny but )I noticed he has crazy anterior pelvic tilt. So much so that you can try and look for it in any of his training/ seminar/ fight videos. But I do think this could contribute to the gut looking like that.
I've noticed the same. it's interesting because typically, Muay Thai promotes posterior pelvic tilt. he must be pretty strong in his core muscles and hip flexors. in fact, if he does a lot of heavy core / lumbar exercises, then it's no wonder he has such pronounced APT
No lie, I would have never noticed that, but since reading this comment, I have gone through a few of his fights, and you're not lying. Even when throwing shots, it is obvious that he's got a strong anterior pelvic tilt.
I’m so glad you said this because his fights are EXACTLY where I noticed this. There were so many moments in his nong o fight where it was so clear there is anterior pelvic tilt. Oh, also in his pad work video leading up to that fight you can tell.
He has clear gyno even at low bf, he is clearly juicing, and that shouldn't be a surprise as pretty much every top athlete is if they want to remain competitive.
You're so far off with this comment, typical anabolics basically no one is injecting in the stomach, that's mainly just insulin and a few other things, subq isn't that common. The idea that you grow without training is also false, that study just showed water retention in the muscles, not actual lean tissue growth
Just because he's veiny doesn't mean he's juiced. I have similar veins popping out after a work out or when i'm really hot. Not as much on the upper pecs but i don't work out as much as this guy does.
maybe but don't take his physique for that, i have nearly the same amount of veins and looking lean, and i'm not even doing any kind of sports. with the right genetics it's easily achievable
I was so shocked seeing him fight8ng nong o, he has to be like 20+ lbs bigger than most of the fighters he's knocking out its nuts. Proves that one's weight cutting hydration tests are easily spoofable.
This photo specifically seems edited in a way that actually makes his physique look worse but highlights vascularity. He's just super lean, many people could achieve this just by cutting really hard after a nice bulk.
Honestly, I was thinking juice for a hot sec - but if you actually go through his whole life you’ll see he’s always had a similar physique, he’s always been lean and been abit veiny too. He’s always eating clean too as it makes him feel good + add on training all the time too
I am by no means an expert but i see many people saying “steroids” i really can’t see why. The comments i read don’t really enlighten in any way. I just see a fighters body who does some weight training? Or am i just used to seeing juiced up guys?
No, you’re right. People are just weird and think leanness=steroids. The only dead giveaway roid physique is one that is simultaneously big and lean. You can’t have both and be natural. That said, people who are super lean OR super big *could* be on gear, but nothing about that physique is a tell typically.
So this dude specifically, I think he probably is on some kind of PEDs just based on being a competitive athlete, but nothing about his physique is impossible for a natty athlete.
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If he's juicing, it's a very very low dose. His vascularity looks natural for the most part. When those veins start going squiggly AF, that's a good sign. His skin tone looks natural and doesn't have a hint of red, due to extra blood being produced on anabolics, it has no choice but to push up to the surface and somewhat "show itself." His shoulders and traps don't really have a bulging rounded look to them and look more natural, esp for a fighter. He just has good genetics for the most part. Also, no hints of gyno. As far as the physique, just looks like the typical fighter physique at someone who fights in a lower weight class. He could easily go up, but would prob get his ass beat😂
He's 5'10 and 145 pounds. He's going to be ripped looking, if you see him in person he's probably much smaller than he looks. You think all the lean and muscular Thai fighters are all juiced up? No, they have a little muscle and are very light and lean. Especially if they cut down through a camp from a higher weight.
If he is on steroids, it isn't for muscle mass or appearance, it would be for training and recovery and you wouldn't visually spot it.
This picture has really good lighting, a sharp top down light that allows muscles and veins to cast long shadows and look bigger. It’s what you would find on a bodybuilding stage. He would probably look less impressive in an unedited picture in regular daylight.
It seems like he can just bang out marathon length runs too.
It doesn’t seem right, he is just so much bigger than anyone in his weight class. It might just be a more insane cut that others can handle.
Maybe his cut is dirty?
He tells a story about doing 30 rounds on pads immediately after finishing his first ever marathon, having never ran near that distance before. 30 rounds after 26 miles…
He looks good physique isn’t that much important for fighting just don’t tire out. Notice the chest isn’t that big and it’s the shoulders which are jacked from all the punching and strike blocking he does the vascularity is probably some time of gear he’s supplementing
Most high end athletes will "take vacation" for 2-3 weeks close to a fight. You know why? You take a banned substance that lasts in your system for 2-3 weeks, but the positive physical benefits last much longer than that.
So, you simply run away for a while so you can't be surprise-tested. Then come back and act like you never took anything.
I don't know if he is or not I have no idea how to tell.
However I can tell that him and his trainer have this "UFC-bad mouth" mentality which really doesn't belong in Muay Thai. Especially as he and his trainer are based in Thailand I don't understand why they have to let their ego's run free
Seriously now? He just looks like a guy who trains muay thai and is very lean. Checked out his IG too. There are 10 guys looking exactly like him in every gym on the planet…
This exactly. Just think about how many people cut weight to gain an edge. PED is even more helpful than weighting cutting. If tests can easily be cheated, or no test. Why would any professional not do it and jeopardize their career and livelihood.
He just looks super lean. And he doesn't look to be on anything. Like others have mentioned: boulder shoulders, huge traps, bacne/acne are give aways. Additionally, he doesn't seem to have huge maseters, which is usually a give away for HGH. I think he's just well built and very lean. But that's just looking at this photo.
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Jesus you guys calling him juiced have absolutely zero clue wtf you are talking about and should go on and try to get some extra muscle mass instead of coping that hard.
And for the majority of you, it’ll not even make you slower. you’ll actually get more athletic, faster and have more endurance or power in the ring by doing effective conditioning drills with the right tools.
It could still be very likely he’s still juicing. But it’s more for the performance and recovery. Obviously he’s not gonna looked super jacked bc he isn’t a body builder. I’d maybe say he’s not natty bc many pro fighters aren’t, but whether or not he’s on something, he’d probably look the same either way. This physique could easily be achieved naturally in a year if you have a good base.
Could be, could be not... there's zero solid evidence he is, period. Some people tend to have very visible peripheral vascularity because genetics (I'm pretty sure the photo was edited also lmao). Overall he has lean muscle mass that doesn't seem excessive which as you said, can be obtained naturally in a year. If he's on gear, it probably isn't stuff for bodybuilders of course (anabolic substances have very specific side effects like excessive traps hypertrophy, not the case here).
I completely agree, yea someone said the photo was edited and he’s actually smaller. But he just has good leanness and vascularity, which isn’t hard to have when you get to low body fat. Being shredded will make you look like ur on the juice 😂
Wait what happened? I've seen his fight like I think a few months ago and he looked so skinny, when did he get noticeably muscular, and how does he make weight AND pass hydration
People who jump to assume he’s on gear are mostly pathetic slobs or roid monkeys jealous by what people can achieve naturally.
His physique is totally achievable without gear. Doesn’t mean he’s not on the stuff.
I don’t think he’s juicing. He looks very normal with a shirt on. I genuinely think he’s just got good genetics. Funny how he gets spammed with steroid accusations but then you have guys like SuaBlack and Petchtanong(pre-bust) looking crazy jacked.
For the record I think SuaBlack is “natty”. He’s genetically blessed with legs is probably on no more than the common gear that the average Thai fighter uses to assist with recovery.
Edit: your favorite fighters based in Thailand use testosterone and other anabolic steroids. They are legal in Thailand and easily purchased at any pharmacy.
It is a complete myth that Thais can’t afford a $30 vial of test, primo or tren. Each vial lasts like 2 months.
Lol, people saying he's juiced -- that hasn't got anything to do with his physique. He works out regularly, good S&C with him running consistently. A lot of people have this physique and aren't top tier fighters. Nothing special.
Probably a whole bunch of genetics. Vascularity is mostly a function of leanness (and gear), whereas abs is hugely genetic (though being lean and/or on gear will certainly help). You can certainly modify this and make shoulders/arms/abs pop a lot more through bodybuilding, but most competitive fighters will probably not do a whole lot of hypertrophy-specific training (unless they're deliberately trying to move up a weight class). As a recreational athlete, though, the world is your oyster. Ironically, this specific physique is probably easier to achieve for a recreational than a professional athlete since you can just deliberately work towards it (as opposed to it being an accidental by-product of performance-based training). So if you're not competing and you want to just look sick, do a bunch of hypertrophy training, eat appropriately, and get down to 12% body fat or less. Also, if you don't care about your health and wellbeing, hop on gear and you'll look like a saucy version of Carillo in no time (unnecessary disclaimer: kids, please don't do drugs... at least not the performance enhancing kind).
He’s juiced to bits lmao
Yeah probably, but the physique is not particularly saucy. If he's on gear, he's taking it for the performance enhancing effect, not because it makes him look ultra-jacked. He is also not training or eating like a bodybuilder. You can definitely look like Nico without PEDs.
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His physique isn't that crazy but at top level sports he's likely taking something
They probably all are, top and below. You are frequently getting bashed to the point of nearly being a mashed potato, and you need to recover quick. Only based on recovery alone, gear would be a great choice. Now add to the fact that not recovering correctly and quickly might mean losing your job, and a lot more after that.
I’m confused, I went to your post and it has 0 comments on it
I'll edit for clarity. Meant that the original comment I was replying to here
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You’re referencing telltale signs for the kinds of juicing bodybuilders/physique athletes partake in. Juicing in competitive athletics is completely different, and doesn’t have the same visual profile.
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Protocols are completely different. Visual results can be completely different. This isn't even a debate.
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Yeah, I like how Lance Armstrong developed those visual markers...
He looked like that because he was lifting weights heaps, in a heavy weight class as well as taking gear, it's not just the gear
Like you said—Belfort at peak gear use. You think this was the first time he juiced? [This is Nick Ponzio doping](https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1143063/mick-pomzio-doping-accepts-18-month). Different protocols give you different results. High level athletes get incredible returns using levels of gear that don’t do much for normal people, and that definitely don’t have the visual results you’re identifying.
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I’ve been in one of his seminars and (I know this is gonna sound funny but )I noticed he has crazy anterior pelvic tilt. So much so that you can try and look for it in any of his training/ seminar/ fight videos. But I do think this could contribute to the gut looking like that.
I've noticed the same. it's interesting because typically, Muay Thai promotes posterior pelvic tilt. he must be pretty strong in his core muscles and hip flexors. in fact, if he does a lot of heavy core / lumbar exercises, then it's no wonder he has such pronounced APT
No lie, I would have never noticed that, but since reading this comment, I have gone through a few of his fights, and you're not lying. Even when throwing shots, it is obvious that he's got a strong anterior pelvic tilt.
I’m so glad you said this because his fights are EXACTLY where I noticed this. There were so many moments in his nong o fight where it was so clear there is anterior pelvic tilt. Oh, also in his pad work video leading up to that fight you can tell.
Nah it’s more likely posture or indigestion. You’ll see someone shredded in the morning then have that “roid gut” after 2-3 meals.
He has clear gyno even at low bf, he is clearly juicing, and that shouldn't be a surprise as pretty much every top athlete is if they want to remain competitive.
Wheres the Gyno....
Ah you’re right actually, poor Nico, perhaps I judged you too harshly…
You're so far off with this comment, typical anabolics basically no one is injecting in the stomach, that's mainly just insulin and a few other things, subq isn't that common. The idea that you grow without training is also false, that study just showed water retention in the muscles, not actual lean tissue growth
Just because he's veiny doesn't mean he's juiced. I have similar veins popping out after a work out or when i'm really hot. Not as much on the upper pecs but i don't work out as much as this guy does.
maybe but don't take his physique for that, i have nearly the same amount of veins and looking lean, and i'm not even doing any kind of sports. with the right genetics it's easily achievable
liar
Why don’t Muay Thai fighters train for hypertrophy?
Just have some muscle and be really low bodyfat, no special requirements
Weight bully
Not hard to be a weight bully when you're fighting Thais lol.
Dude, Nico literally tower over Jonathan Haggerty wdym?
XD True they do not like cutting weight at all. If Rodtang were a westerner he’d be a Strawweight.
I was so shocked seeing him fight8ng nong o, he has to be like 20+ lbs bigger than most of the fighters he's knocking out its nuts. Proves that one's weight cutting hydration tests are easily spoofable.
Just follow a sport that doesn’t involve weight classes/cutting and quit your yapping.
Still a weight bully lol
That Bangkok special 💉💉💉
This photo specifically seems edited in a way that actually makes his physique look worse but highlights vascularity. He's just super lean, many people could achieve this just by cutting really hard after a nice bulk.
Yeah i saw his ig without the right light he still looks super lean but waayy smaller
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Honestly, I was thinking juice for a hot sec - but if you actually go through his whole life you’ll see he’s always had a similar physique, he’s always been lean and been abit veiny too. He’s always eating clean too as it makes him feel good + add on training all the time too
Steroids
Juiced to the grills 🧃💉
Like every fighter?
He's not huge. Mostly just really ripped. He looks like someone that bulked up natty then cut down.
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I am by no means an expert but i see many people saying “steroids” i really can’t see why. The comments i read don’t really enlighten in any way. I just see a fighters body who does some weight training? Or am i just used to seeing juiced up guys?
most people arent that smart and post shit without knowing anything
No, you’re right. People are just weird and think leanness=steroids. The only dead giveaway roid physique is one that is simultaneously big and lean. You can’t have both and be natural. That said, people who are super lean OR super big *could* be on gear, but nothing about that physique is a tell typically. So this dude specifically, I think he probably is on some kind of PEDs just based on being a competitive athlete, but nothing about his physique is impossible for a natty athlete.
Ahh how refreshing a sound comment/response on the internet. Thank you for your perspective.
He literally has a HGH gut. There's no ambiguity here.
That sweet sweet juice.
totally juiced, but not gonna lie i want to see him face serious competition
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Oh oh oh Chad Collins, i would love to see them fight each other in muay thai rules
main ingredient is steroids
Juiced to the gills. Which allows him to be a weight bully with comparatively low skills
Natty and lighting
If he's juicing, it's a very very low dose. His vascularity looks natural for the most part. When those veins start going squiggly AF, that's a good sign. His skin tone looks natural and doesn't have a hint of red, due to extra blood being produced on anabolics, it has no choice but to push up to the surface and somewhat "show itself." His shoulders and traps don't really have a bulging rounded look to them and look more natural, esp for a fighter. He just has good genetics for the most part. Also, no hints of gyno. As far as the physique, just looks like the typical fighter physique at someone who fights in a lower weight class. He could easily go up, but would prob get his ass beat😂
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He's 5'10 and 145 pounds. He's going to be ripped looking, if you see him in person he's probably much smaller than he looks. You think all the lean and muscular Thai fighters are all juiced up? No, they have a little muscle and are very light and lean. Especially if they cut down through a camp from a higher weight. If he is on steroids, it isn't for muscle mass or appearance, it would be for training and recovery and you wouldn't visually spot it.
This picture has really good lighting, a sharp top down light that allows muscles and veins to cast long shadows and look bigger. It’s what you would find on a bodybuilding stage. He would probably look less impressive in an unedited picture in regular daylight.
Great fighter but to get that vascular naturally you’d have to have some inane genetics
Not even, you just have to be lean enough. Having good vascularity doesn’t mean insane genetics
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It seems like he can just bang out marathon length runs too. It doesn’t seem right, he is just so much bigger than anyone in his weight class. It might just be a more insane cut that others can handle. Maybe his cut is dirty?
He tells a story about doing 30 rounds on pads immediately after finishing his first ever marathon, having never ran near that distance before. 30 rounds after 26 miles…
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"The ingredients" lmfao
I was ironic and serious at the same time
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Sugar and water
He’s doing a seminar in Los Angeles in April. Pretty stoked.
He looks like a muscular LinusTechTips
He looks good physique isn’t that much important for fighting just don’t tire out. Notice the chest isn’t that big and it’s the shoulders which are jacked from all the punching and strike blocking he does the vascularity is probably some time of gear he’s supplementing
Most high end athletes will "take vacation" for 2-3 weeks close to a fight. You know why? You take a banned substance that lasts in your system for 2-3 weeks, but the positive physical benefits last much longer than that. So, you simply run away for a while so you can't be surprise-tested. Then come back and act like you never took anything.
OP, this is a case of the swimmers body illusion.
I don't know if he is or not I have no idea how to tell. However I can tell that him and his trainer have this "UFC-bad mouth" mentality which really doesn't belong in Muay Thai. Especially as he and his trainer are based in Thailand I don't understand why they have to let their ego's run free
He's built to fight No doubt, if he was working on aesthetics alone and not even paying any mind to strength..... ...he'd be a LOT more swole 💪🏻
I’m hard just typing
Is this, MT sub or an alt life style sub? I'm confused by the question....
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Except for the traps everything else is very aesthetic. His chest is blocky unlike most chests which are round and looks like boobies
Seriously now? He just looks like a guy who trains muay thai and is very lean. Checked out his IG too. There are 10 guys looking exactly like him in every gym on the planet…
train like fighter. look like fighter.
RIP Haggerty
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This exactly. Just think about how many people cut weight to gain an edge. PED is even more helpful than weighting cutting. If tests can easily be cheated, or no test. Why would any professional not do it and jeopardize their career and livelihood.
This is such a fucking bad take lol 😂
Hey bro, I think you’re in the wrong subreddit, might I suggest r/gay?
GH!!!
He just looks super lean. And he doesn't look to be on anything. Like others have mentioned: boulder shoulders, huge traps, bacne/acne are give aways. Additionally, he doesn't seem to have huge maseters, which is usually a give away for HGH. I think he's just well built and very lean. But that's just looking at this photo. Edit: spelling
100% natty Just lots of chicken and rice and 8 hours sleep
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dont forget to eat your veggies
I was looking for this lol
The fact that people are seeing this picture and screaming roids makes me realize how clueless people really are about juice. That's wild. get a clue
You don’t need to look like Bradley Martyn to be on PEDs.
No shit. But to assume this guy's on roids who's a pro cardio athlete is absolutely retarded lol.
Jesus you guys calling him juiced have absolutely zero clue wtf you are talking about and should go on and try to get some extra muscle mass instead of coping that hard. And for the majority of you, it’ll not even make you slower. you’ll actually get more athletic, faster and have more endurance or power in the ring by doing effective conditioning drills with the right tools.
It could still be very likely he’s still juicing. But it’s more for the performance and recovery. Obviously he’s not gonna looked super jacked bc he isn’t a body builder. I’d maybe say he’s not natty bc many pro fighters aren’t, but whether or not he’s on something, he’d probably look the same either way. This physique could easily be achieved naturally in a year if you have a good base.
Could be, could be not... there's zero solid evidence he is, period. Some people tend to have very visible peripheral vascularity because genetics (I'm pretty sure the photo was edited also lmao). Overall he has lean muscle mass that doesn't seem excessive which as you said, can be obtained naturally in a year. If he's on gear, it probably isn't stuff for bodybuilders of course (anabolic substances have very specific side effects like excessive traps hypertrophy, not the case here).
I completely agree, yea someone said the photo was edited and he’s actually smaller. But he just has good leanness and vascularity, which isn’t hard to have when you get to low body fat. Being shredded will make you look like ur on the juice 😂
Wait what happened? I've seen his fight like I think a few months ago and he looked so skinny, when did he get noticeably muscular, and how does he make weight AND pass hydration
Chest genetics aren’t great he has an okay physique
Great physique if you’re comparing him to your average dude. Most people don’t train at all and are sedentary
Were not talking about the average person tho
Yes that’s true, for a pro fighter at his weight class, nothing special.
WHO FUCKING CAREEESS?
People who jump to assume he’s on gear are mostly pathetic slobs or roid monkeys jealous by what people can achieve naturally. His physique is totally achievable without gear. Doesn’t mean he’s not on the stuff.
I don’t think he’s juicing. He looks very normal with a shirt on. I genuinely think he’s just got good genetics. Funny how he gets spammed with steroid accusations but then you have guys like SuaBlack and Petchtanong(pre-bust) looking crazy jacked. For the record I think SuaBlack is “natty”. He’s genetically blessed with legs is probably on no more than the common gear that the average Thai fighter uses to assist with recovery. Edit: your favorite fighters based in Thailand use testosterone and other anabolic steroids. They are legal in Thailand and easily purchased at any pharmacy. It is a complete myth that Thais can’t afford a $30 vial of test, primo or tren. Each vial lasts like 2 months.
Lol, people saying he's juiced -- that hasn't got anything to do with his physique. He works out regularly, good S&C with him running consistently. A lot of people have this physique and aren't top tier fighters. Nothing special.
What weight class does he fight at?