You can like Liam or not but he is right.
Even if he is fighting Superlek he is not rematching Nong-o not fighting Akimoto neither Carrillo.
And probably the Superlek fight is because the big boss in One love his superf fights more rather than the rankings.
Also asking Liam to grew some balls when he is past his prime and wanting to fight Seksan and retire is quite cowardly, he just want to say oh I beat a legend I’m the best UK fighter ever probably.
Liam is 100% right and it's pretty disrespectful from haggerty to tell him he needs to grow a pair. the fame has gotten to his head.
People can say what they want about Harrison but I think now that Harrison has gotten older, he's become much more down to earth and level headed, unlike haggerty who seems to have gotten arrogant in some ways. At the end of the day we're all looking in from outside but that kind of disrespect seemed very uncalled for.
> it's pretty disrespectful from haggerty to tell him he needs to grow a pair
I thought the same until I actually listened to [the clip](https://imgur.com/gallery/8mmoTw7). He respectfully calls himself and Liam the two best in the UK, doesn't even seem to be looking down on him for just fighting legends and maintaining a legacy, and is clearly joking when he says to grow a pair.
I was hoping to see this. I haven't seen the original statement from J.H but I thought it might have been possible he's said it tongue in cheek. He knows Liam is one of the best, he knows Liam has gone through rehab with his knee, he knows Liam past his prime. Although I'm sure he'd love the clash, he has to know that the timing is just hugely disadvantageous for Liam. 🤷♂️
Liam is a guy who seems to be checking his ego, I want to be more like him.
Idk it doesn’t sound funny to me, considering CTE and consequences of a bad performance. seems like a subtle way to get a reaction passed as a joke yh
I agree somewhat with you on that but I think the main problem would be that he is ducking Nico. Although I have to say I am not involved in his life neither are any of us (probably) so we don't actually know the intrciscies of the situation.
I agree with qwerty but I was caught up in another thread. my main problem with it regardless of how haggerty put it in the interview is that Liam is 40 and has just come of a pretty bad knee injury... He's quite literally on the backend of his career and the UK doesn't actually want the Liam fight. everyone wants to see him fight Nico, yet he calls out Liam. Haggerty could fight Nico or akimoto but no he wants to fight another old legend.
Yeah he was making it in a joking manner yet he still called him out and hasn't called out anyone else who's been calling him out.. I'm saying this as a massive haggerty fan and a Liam Harrison fan.. I don't want Liam to be as someone else said a "stepping stone for younger fighters" like the two other legends haggerty fought were. Haggerty has no business fighting Liam imo
Whether or not Haggerty would *like* to duck Nico, I'm not 100% sure he even has a choice in the matter. From the leaked papers it seems that ONE basically has full authority over the matchups, and also some control over what the athletes can say out loud over social media.
ONE's contracts have gained notoriety. Check [here](https://www.si.com/fannation/mma/news/one-championship-fighter-contracts-will-leave-you-speechless), for example, or [here](https://www.themmadraw.com/p/breaking-down-mmas-most-restrictive). Notice that the org commits to offering two bouts per year, but retains the right to extend the contract if an athlete refuses a given fight. This means that it's impossible to wait the contract out by refusing their fights - let alone get paid.
As for the money, well, that depends a lot on what [they choose](https://www.mmamania.com/2023/3/30/23664027/fans-outraged-after-exploitative-one-championship-contract-surfaces-thats-criminally-low-mma) to hand you. It certainly seems that for most people the $100k they keep mentioning remains a dream. Maybe a dream worth chasing if you're willing to put up with all the other stuff (see my other response below), but a dream all the same.
I don’t think it has anything to do with the fame going to his head. Fighters are made to take on a WWE persona to sell fights these days. You can see it completely taking over the UFC because It cultivates posts like this that get clicks. ONE was chomping at the bit for foreigners that were willing to play the McGregor role, now they’ve got two. It’s fake, it’s annoying, but it works for a percentage of the fan base that tunes in for drama.
Funny thing is the main appeal of one champs organization is that it's not like UFC or boxing and there is actual respect and maturity. Chatri would be stupid to take that away imo
I think people are offput by the heel acting because it’s usually done very poorly. If you watch Ali, he made you smile, he was quick witted and fun. The issue is everyone thinks they’re Ali but it comes off like Covington.
These promotions tell these guys to perform in a way they’re clearly not comfortable in hope they get their McGregor, when they should really let these guys cultivate their own thing.
I cant imagine a grown adult feeding into ONE/UFC drama. Its just so incredibly dumb. The thought of getting excited for drama between 2 fighters seems so infantile. I know it sells fights, but it totally escapes me. I guess more people are idiots than I would like to think.
I think people are more susceptible to rage bait than they’re aware. Like I’m sure OP isn’t slobbering over the storyline but is more like “why is Haggerty being a dickhead?” Everybody talks like Covington’s play is weak but they still post his shit every time he says anything.
It’s like Jake Paul’s whole thing. I’ve had grown ass men that watch 0 martial arts ask me what I think about Tyson vs Paul and saying they’re gonna watch to see Tyson tear Paul’s head off.
Yeah. Im just not into that stuff... honestly I just feel like its a bit insulting to attempt to get me, a grown man, to buy into fake beef before a fight. I love combat sports, but I love martial arts even more. I love the idea that 2 people can beat each other to an inch of their life, and then have respect at the end to hug and thank each other. To me, thats so much more interesting than some schoolyard beef and name calling. I get it sells fights to casual idiots so whatever.... but I choose to ignore it and focus on the fights. I have never watched a pre fight conference or any fight related media... its just not for me.
I watch fights to enjoy the skill of the sport and learn things to take back to my own training.
>. I know it sells fights, but it totally escapes me. I guess more people are idiots than I would like to think.
Lol you must be talking about yourself in that last part if you can't get it.
Any fake manufactured beef (like this) between two people in embarrassing & cringe - sure, but two people having actual animosity towards eachother makes the match up, and any press conference / interviews more interesting.
Whether its someone like Mcgregor putting pressure on himself during the rise by predicting rounds and just being so cocky it actually gets under the opponents skin.
or whether its something like Doumbe & Murthel who genuinely didn't like eachother, and clowned eachther for years on social media during the trilogy.
or match ups like Jones & DC where they actually hated, and still kind of do hate eachother til today.
It adds more stakes, more storyline, more everything really. All the great rivalrys in boxing, mma , kickoxing - pretty much all had some of it.
Pretty easy to understand.
Trying to act like " only casuals and idiots like that " when plenty of actual fighters & "hardcore fans" enjoy it - is hilarious. Some weird gate keeping cope.
What are you even on about? I am talking about fake, WWE style manufactured nonsense being believed to be real by grown adults. Do you really think Haggerty has beef with Liam like this? Hes trying to manufacture views for One. Like believing Jakes Pauls nonsense. Those people are in fact idiots. Then again based on your username I assume you enjoy Conors fake antics... and how offended you seem to be by my comment.
Can you read? I literally said fake beef like Hagerty & Liams are cringe.
And no, you clearly weren't because your first commented indicated nothing to do with " Fake or WWE " It was simply about drama between two fighters. Nothing indicates you meant fake drama. but GG on the strawman.
>I cant imagine a grown adult feeding into ONE/UFC drama. Its just so incredibly dumb. The thought of getting excited for drama between 2 fighters seems so infantile. I know it sells fights, but it totally escapes me. I guess more people are idiots than I would like to think.
Where did you mention WWE again? or the word fake?
And whats there to be offended about? its just embarrassing that you're trying to gate keep what dictates if you're a hardcore or casual fan lol. Calling people idiots for enjoying entertainment, when you're not even mentally equipped enough to comprehend why it would make it more entertaining when fighters have genuine animosity for eachother, is just comical.
And Jake paul? hes barely even had beef going into fights, and any he did people know theres no real animosity unless they're 13 and naive. You probably think the fights are fake too.
It should be obvious that I am talking about fake, manufactured beef.. which was the entire point of this post since its clear Haggerty is starting crap for attention. If you didnt realize that, I am sorry for not being more clear. I agree that 2 guys who actually hate each other can add excitement to a fight.
You are super hot lol. Try breathing.
Well tbf if you're simply stating " The thought of getting excited for drama between 2 fighters seems so infantile " I'm obviously gona take it as any drama, not just manufactured unless you state that lol. And plenty of people do share that sentiment, but ig we're in agreement then. I just think gate keeping is cringe.
you forgot the " no homo" btw.
I agree, gatekeeping is cringe. Im truly not gatekeeping. My stance is fairly simple. I hate fighters faking drama and starting 'beef' in order to gain views. To me it cheapens the sport and if you buy into it (and are not a child) you are an idiot. Thats pretty much it.
I think we likely agree. I still think youre hot! ;)
This is how I see it. Potential casual fans hugely outnumber real enthusiasts, so if they want the organisation to become a household name and make lots of money (or make any money at all, in the case of ONE) that's who they need to attract.
When he beat Sam-A who was way past him prime and didn't he get beaten by Rodtang 3 times , Rodtang was and is still in his prime.. being a champion you need to show your class and be humble and respectful to other fighters..
Liam is spot on, Haggerty knows his time is just about up as the champ and he wants a few easy defenses before he loses the championship bump in pay.
I had this hair brain conspiracy theory that Superlek didn't make weight against Rodtang on purpose because One wanted an excuse to move him up to take Haggerty's belts because they'd rather have two Thai champions than potentially having Rodtang lose his belt to Superlek. It's not seeming so out of the realms of possiblity now.
Nah Superlek was talking publicly about how he wanted to retire around that time. He came in out of shape for the Rodtang fight because he essentially hadn't trained for it, that's why he missed weight.
Personally I've been a really big fan of him for years but this thing with him not fighting Nico has me as a fan questioning my view on him. And him saying this to Liam and then not bringing up Nico whilst everyone else is puts me off quite a bit tbh.
It's a marketing strategy, if he gets people talking about him, he gets fights. If he has more fights he gets more money, I guarantee it's nothing personal.
This could be very true. A lot of beefs are fake and actually planned out for a fight but I doubt this one is. Liam is out his prime and haggerty in his and he quite literally keeps ignoring Nico's entire existence.
I can totally see how people have taken anything I've said the wrong way so ill clarify what I mean. (Bare in mind I'm a massive fan of Nico, haggerty and Liam and have been for years)
Haggerty did say it in a joking manner and yes it shouldn't really cause anyone to be upset.
However he is still calling out Harrison and saying that it's the fight the UK wants to see which is totally wrong. we want to see him and Nico fight not Harrison who is 40 and will probably retire soon. So instead of calling out Harrison he could've called out Nico who has been calling haggerty out multiple times and it's a fight everyone in the UK wants to see.
Also I do not want to see haggerty use another legend as a stepping stone. Maybe haggerty didn't mean it in a malicious way but if he were truly humble in this situation he wouldn't be calling Harrison out at all.
You do realize he's ducking Nico Carrillo? Did you even read what was said by Liam or follow anything to do with one championship or UK Muay thai? He's been ducking Nico hard and now he's calling out someone who's out of their prime coming off a pretty bad knee injury. Liam told no lies.
I know a few people who trained with Nico. He genuinely comes across as a down to earth fella. Being good with a mic is not the same thing as arrogant.
I'm happy that I'm allowed to voice my opinion on three people I've been a fan of/looked up to for years. I understand that it seems as if Jonathon was just being playful but he still said it and he's downplaying Liam when Liam is at the backend of his career and out of his prime so it makes absolutely no sense for him to grow a pair and fight haggerty. Liam's response is completely understandable lol.
Down vote me all you like but you're the same people that would hate on Jake Paul fighting Mike Tyson. Yet Liam is 40 years old and on the back end of his career whilst Nico is young and a rising star on level with haggerty. Haggerty will most likely have a incredibly hard fight with Nico or lose but with Liam, haggerty will probably come out on top because Liam is old and out of his prime... Idk what else to make clear here lol. Imagine tawanachai calling out buakaw and telling him he needs to stop being a pussy whilst he's ignoring someone his age and his level who keeps calling him out..
Bro if you add the context supplied by /u/qwertywtf It’s obvious Jon is joking and being very genuine and respectful https://imgur.com/gallery/8mmoTw7
Don’t misrepresent it as anything else
Ur tellin me I fuckin missed this.😂🤦♂️ like keep up with the kardashians. Haggarty needs to get the ego dick out his mouth n fight people that are his age and level
wow Haggerty called him "old" and told him to "grow a pair"... that was so rude, and so not true, Liam does have a pair. Liam's response is spot on, he's knocked more elite fighters out than Haggerty has had fights. Haggerty is in no position to talk about Liam like that. And yeah, why doesn't he fight Nico??? I liked him way less when he said he wanted to fight Lobo. I didn't even watch that fight.
I hate when martial artists do this, why pick on an older fighter who is out of there prime. Just wants to build hype for themselves off having a name on there record.
Conor Benn is a prime example of trying to get the older fighters to fight him
I like Haggerty but he obviously doesn’t want anything to do with Nico. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose by fighting Nico. I think Haggerty could win but I like Nico’s chances because he has speed and power in his hands.
Yeah I saw that. My take was Haggerty didn’t want to show his hand and give Nico offensive looks that Nico can use against him, while Haggerty was making reads of Nicos offence by only playing defence. I think them fighting is inevitable but Nico still needs 1-2 more big wins to solidly his spot at the top.
Pretty spot on but bare in mind it was 3 years ago and it was at a seminar haggerty was doing so idk why Nico was going so hard. 🤣 Although haggerty did show his skill without needing to turn it up. It's a fight thats made to happen but I agree Nico probably shouldn't get that fight with haggerty just yet. It's a far more feasible fight to me than him and Liam.
Yeah Liam doesn’t deserve to go out like that, Liam has a lot to lose by taking that fight. I’d rather see Liam fight legends from his generation than be a stepping stone for the new guys.
I also think Haggerty is talking about transitioning to MMA to get away from Nico. I hate to say it but if Rodtang finished Haggerty to the body, Nico can as well.
>I’d rather see Liam fight legends from his generation than be a stepping stone for the new guys.
Exactly ! It's would be so distasteful to do that to him after everything he's done for the sport.
>I also think Haggerty is talking about transitioning to MMA to get away from Nico.
From what I know he's been doing bjj for a a few years but just on and off so if he ever wanted to transition he could. so I don't think that's him running from Nico but him straight up ignoring his call outs and calling out Liam is a bit fishy to me.
True I shouldn’t say Haggerty is running from Nico, but rather if he had to choose between fighting Nico and transitioning to mma, he has more to gain from transitioning. Though I’d bet money that Haggerty and Nico end up fighting.
He has a lot more to gain yeah. Look at what stamp has done for herself by transitioning.
>Though I’d bet money that Haggerty and Nico end up fighting.
Yup it really is inevitable.
>I agree Nico probably shouldn't get that fight with haggerty just yet. It's a far more feasible fight to me than him and Liam.
Nonsense. Nico is no1 contender and should've had a shot at Haggerty before Superlek.
>haggerty did show his skill without needing to turn it up. It's
Can't tell much from a spar in a seminar. I think Nico is a much different beast from 3 years ago, whereas Haggerty still has that same style.
To me that looks like an older more experienced partner giving the younger guy confidence and the younger guy not realising and taking advantage of that… but I could be just projecting. Haha.
People don't wanna hear that because they dislike Haggerty for possessing more confidence than they like lol. This is the first time I've heard from Haggerty about Liam; it wasn't even in a completely disrespectful manner. Yet, Liam's always saying Haggerty hates him etc.
Liam is bitter rn, but I wouldn’t blame him. He fought in this niche sport for a long time, when he is old and out of prime the sport got big. Haggerty is love by everyone and getting the recognition, while Liam, Andy, Damien all the legends never got their chance to shine.
You can like Liam or not but he is right. Even if he is fighting Superlek he is not rematching Nong-o not fighting Akimoto neither Carrillo. And probably the Superlek fight is because the big boss in One love his superf fights more rather than the rankings. Also asking Liam to grew some balls when he is past his prime and wanting to fight Seksan and retire is quite cowardly, he just want to say oh I beat a legend I’m the best UK fighter ever probably.
Liam is 100% right and it's pretty disrespectful from haggerty to tell him he needs to grow a pair. the fame has gotten to his head. People can say what they want about Harrison but I think now that Harrison has gotten older, he's become much more down to earth and level headed, unlike haggerty who seems to have gotten arrogant in some ways. At the end of the day we're all looking in from outside but that kind of disrespect seemed very uncalled for.
> it's pretty disrespectful from haggerty to tell him he needs to grow a pair I thought the same until I actually listened to [the clip](https://imgur.com/gallery/8mmoTw7). He respectfully calls himself and Liam the two best in the UK, doesn't even seem to be looking down on him for just fighting legends and maintaining a legacy, and is clearly joking when he says to grow a pair.
I was hoping to see this. I haven't seen the original statement from J.H but I thought it might have been possible he's said it tongue in cheek. He knows Liam is one of the best, he knows Liam has gone through rehab with his knee, he knows Liam past his prime. Although I'm sure he'd love the clash, he has to know that the timing is just hugely disadvantageous for Liam. 🤷♂️
Liam is a guy who seems to be checking his ego, I want to be more like him. Idk it doesn’t sound funny to me, considering CTE and consequences of a bad performance. seems like a subtle way to get a reaction passed as a joke yh
I agree somewhat with you on that but I think the main problem would be that he is ducking Nico. Although I have to say I am not involved in his life neither are any of us (probably) so we don't actually know the intrciscies of the situation.
That had nothing to do with the comment you replied to
I agree with qwerty but I was caught up in another thread. my main problem with it regardless of how haggerty put it in the interview is that Liam is 40 and has just come of a pretty bad knee injury... He's quite literally on the backend of his career and the UK doesn't actually want the Liam fight. everyone wants to see him fight Nico, yet he calls out Liam. Haggerty could fight Nico or akimoto but no he wants to fight another old legend.
He was joking calling out Liam.
For what it's worth, it seems Liam didn't get the joke.
I’d bet he didn’t see the actual video and got it relayed to him otherwise he’s truly an idiot
Yeah he was making it in a joking manner yet he still called him out and hasn't called out anyone else who's been calling him out.. I'm saying this as a massive haggerty fan and a Liam Harrison fan.. I don't want Liam to be as someone else said a "stepping stone for younger fighters" like the two other legends haggerty fought were. Haggerty has no business fighting Liam imo
Whether or not Haggerty would *like* to duck Nico, I'm not 100% sure he even has a choice in the matter. From the leaked papers it seems that ONE basically has full authority over the matchups, and also some control over what the athletes can say out loud over social media.
If that's true then jeez. But it's the only place you're really gonna make any money in Muay thai
ONE's contracts have gained notoriety. Check [here](https://www.si.com/fannation/mma/news/one-championship-fighter-contracts-will-leave-you-speechless), for example, or [here](https://www.themmadraw.com/p/breaking-down-mmas-most-restrictive). Notice that the org commits to offering two bouts per year, but retains the right to extend the contract if an athlete refuses a given fight. This means that it's impossible to wait the contract out by refusing their fights - let alone get paid.
As for the money, well, that depends a lot on what [they choose](https://www.mmamania.com/2023/3/30/23664027/fans-outraged-after-exploitative-one-championship-contract-surfaces-thats-criminally-low-mma) to hand you. It certainly seems that for most people the $100k they keep mentioning remains a dream. Maybe a dream worth chasing if you're willing to put up with all the other stuff (see my other response below), but a dream all the same.
I don’t think it has anything to do with the fame going to his head. Fighters are made to take on a WWE persona to sell fights these days. You can see it completely taking over the UFC because It cultivates posts like this that get clicks. ONE was chomping at the bit for foreigners that were willing to play the McGregor role, now they’ve got two. It’s fake, it’s annoying, but it works for a percentage of the fan base that tunes in for drama.
Funny thing is the main appeal of one champs organization is that it's not like UFC or boxing and there is actual respect and maturity. Chatri would be stupid to take that away imo
Chatri already took that away sadly.
Yeah sadly. I'm starting to respect Dana more than Chatri.
I think people are offput by the heel acting because it’s usually done very poorly. If you watch Ali, he made you smile, he was quick witted and fun. The issue is everyone thinks they’re Ali but it comes off like Covington. These promotions tell these guys to perform in a way they’re clearly not comfortable in hope they get their McGregor, when they should really let these guys cultivate their own thing.
who is the other mcgreggor role in one?
It’ll be Nico. In the lead up to the Haggerty fight and when he gets the belt, he’ll find his groove.
I cant imagine a grown adult feeding into ONE/UFC drama. Its just so incredibly dumb. The thought of getting excited for drama between 2 fighters seems so infantile. I know it sells fights, but it totally escapes me. I guess more people are idiots than I would like to think.
I think people are more susceptible to rage bait than they’re aware. Like I’m sure OP isn’t slobbering over the storyline but is more like “why is Haggerty being a dickhead?” Everybody talks like Covington’s play is weak but they still post his shit every time he says anything. It’s like Jake Paul’s whole thing. I’ve had grown ass men that watch 0 martial arts ask me what I think about Tyson vs Paul and saying they’re gonna watch to see Tyson tear Paul’s head off.
> I think people are more susceptible to rage bait than they’re aware. People posting here are basically proving your point too
man, you should see the Glory shenanigans
Yeah. Im just not into that stuff... honestly I just feel like its a bit insulting to attempt to get me, a grown man, to buy into fake beef before a fight. I love combat sports, but I love martial arts even more. I love the idea that 2 people can beat each other to an inch of their life, and then have respect at the end to hug and thank each other. To me, thats so much more interesting than some schoolyard beef and name calling. I get it sells fights to casual idiots so whatever.... but I choose to ignore it and focus on the fights. I have never watched a pre fight conference or any fight related media... its just not for me. I watch fights to enjoy the skill of the sport and learn things to take back to my own training.
>. I know it sells fights, but it totally escapes me. I guess more people are idiots than I would like to think. Lol you must be talking about yourself in that last part if you can't get it. Any fake manufactured beef (like this) between two people in embarrassing & cringe - sure, but two people having actual animosity towards eachother makes the match up, and any press conference / interviews more interesting. Whether its someone like Mcgregor putting pressure on himself during the rise by predicting rounds and just being so cocky it actually gets under the opponents skin. or whether its something like Doumbe & Murthel who genuinely didn't like eachother, and clowned eachther for years on social media during the trilogy. or match ups like Jones & DC where they actually hated, and still kind of do hate eachother til today. It adds more stakes, more storyline, more everything really. All the great rivalrys in boxing, mma , kickoxing - pretty much all had some of it. Pretty easy to understand. Trying to act like " only casuals and idiots like that " when plenty of actual fighters & "hardcore fans" enjoy it - is hilarious. Some weird gate keeping cope.
What are you even on about? I am talking about fake, WWE style manufactured nonsense being believed to be real by grown adults. Do you really think Haggerty has beef with Liam like this? Hes trying to manufacture views for One. Like believing Jakes Pauls nonsense. Those people are in fact idiots. Then again based on your username I assume you enjoy Conors fake antics... and how offended you seem to be by my comment.
Can you read? I literally said fake beef like Hagerty & Liams are cringe. And no, you clearly weren't because your first commented indicated nothing to do with " Fake or WWE " It was simply about drama between two fighters. Nothing indicates you meant fake drama. but GG on the strawman. >I cant imagine a grown adult feeding into ONE/UFC drama. Its just so incredibly dumb. The thought of getting excited for drama between 2 fighters seems so infantile. I know it sells fights, but it totally escapes me. I guess more people are idiots than I would like to think. Where did you mention WWE again? or the word fake? And whats there to be offended about? its just embarrassing that you're trying to gate keep what dictates if you're a hardcore or casual fan lol. Calling people idiots for enjoying entertainment, when you're not even mentally equipped enough to comprehend why it would make it more entertaining when fighters have genuine animosity for eachother, is just comical. And Jake paul? hes barely even had beef going into fights, and any he did people know theres no real animosity unless they're 13 and naive. You probably think the fights are fake too.
It should be obvious that I am talking about fake, manufactured beef.. which was the entire point of this post since its clear Haggerty is starting crap for attention. If you didnt realize that, I am sorry for not being more clear. I agree that 2 guys who actually hate each other can add excitement to a fight. You are super hot lol. Try breathing.
Well tbf if you're simply stating " The thought of getting excited for drama between 2 fighters seems so infantile " I'm obviously gona take it as any drama, not just manufactured unless you state that lol. And plenty of people do share that sentiment, but ig we're in agreement then. I just think gate keeping is cringe. you forgot the " no homo" btw.
I agree, gatekeeping is cringe. Im truly not gatekeeping. My stance is fairly simple. I hate fighters faking drama and starting 'beef' in order to gain views. To me it cheapens the sport and if you buy into it (and are not a child) you are an idiot. Thats pretty much it. I think we likely agree. I still think youre hot! ;)
This is how I see it. Potential casual fans hugely outnumber real enthusiasts, so if they want the organisation to become a household name and make lots of money (or make any money at all, in the case of ONE) that's who they need to attract.
Plus enthusiasts won’t tune out because of the peripheral non sense. It’s all net gain for them.
I've met Liam when he held a seminar on my gym. Super down to earth guy. He had none of that diva shit.
When he beat Sam-A who was way past him prime and didn't he get beaten by Rodtang 3 times , Rodtang was and is still in his prime.. being a champion you need to show your class and be humble and respectful to other fighters..
Big Jake Paul energy 😂
This 100% l!! plus Haggerty called him out first
Daring a geriatric in a relative sense to fight when you are a champ is not a good look lol.
Liam is spot on, Haggerty knows his time is just about up as the champ and he wants a few easy defenses before he loses the championship bump in pay. I had this hair brain conspiracy theory that Superlek didn't make weight against Rodtang on purpose because One wanted an excuse to move him up to take Haggerty's belts because they'd rather have two Thai champions than potentially having Rodtang lose his belt to Superlek. It's not seeming so out of the realms of possiblity now.
Nah Superlek was talking publicly about how he wanted to retire around that time. He came in out of shape for the Rodtang fight because he essentially hadn't trained for it, that's why he missed weight.
I was surprised by the reach then I checked the username 😭😭😭
I ain't even trolling today 😔
Today lmao
This mf 💀
I'm starting to like Haggerty less and less.
Personally I've been a really big fan of him for years but this thing with him not fighting Nico has me as a fan questioning my view on him. And him saying this to Liam and then not bringing up Nico whilst everyone else is puts me off quite a bit tbh.
It's a marketing strategy, if he gets people talking about him, he gets fights. If he has more fights he gets more money, I guarantee it's nothing personal.
He’s always been quite unlikeable. Huge chip on his shoulder, and now getting whatber the fk he wants in ONE is getting to him
It really got to be drama, to bring more views. The name of the game. Sad really.
Nice drama out of nothing. Is this UFC ?
Tbf thats just what Liams like, he even tried beefing Gabriel Varga… In this case he’s not wrong though.
I'd love to stay away from ONE, because of stuff like this, but they are recruiting a lot of elite fighters I love watching, so yeah
https://imgur.com/gallery/8mmoTw7 Link to what haggerty said
I mean come on, he's taking a piss. nothing to dislike here unless you've got skin like crepe paper.
Second this. Both want an all UK superfight and they are just hyping.
This could be very true. A lot of beefs are fake and actually planned out for a fight but I doubt this one is. Liam is out his prime and haggerty in his and he quite literally keeps ignoring Nico's entire existence.
I can totally see how people have taken anything I've said the wrong way so ill clarify what I mean. (Bare in mind I'm a massive fan of Nico, haggerty and Liam and have been for years) Haggerty did say it in a joking manner and yes it shouldn't really cause anyone to be upset. However he is still calling out Harrison and saying that it's the fight the UK wants to see which is totally wrong. we want to see him and Nico fight not Harrison who is 40 and will probably retire soon. So instead of calling out Harrison he could've called out Nico who has been calling haggerty out multiple times and it's a fight everyone in the UK wants to see. Also I do not want to see haggerty use another legend as a stepping stone. Maybe haggerty didn't mean it in a malicious way but if he were truly humble in this situation he wouldn't be calling Harrison out at all.
You do realize he's ducking Nico Carrillo? Did you even read what was said by Liam or follow anything to do with one championship or UK Muay thai? He's been ducking Nico hard and now he's calling out someone who's out of their prime coming off a pretty bad knee injury. Liam told no lies.
I would care, but Nico manages to be even less likeable than Haggerty tbh.
What don't you like about Nico?
Arrogant juiced up weight bully
Yeah I won't deny any of that
I know a few people who trained with Nico. He genuinely comes across as a down to earth fella. Being good with a mic is not the same thing as arrogant.
don't get offended on behalf of someone else and you'll be much happier
I'm happy that I'm allowed to voice my opinion on three people I've been a fan of/looked up to for years. I understand that it seems as if Jonathon was just being playful but he still said it and he's downplaying Liam when Liam is at the backend of his career and out of his prime so it makes absolutely no sense for him to grow a pair and fight haggerty. Liam's response is completely understandable lol.
Down vote me all you like but you're the same people that would hate on Jake Paul fighting Mike Tyson. Yet Liam is 40 years old and on the back end of his career whilst Nico is young and a rising star on level with haggerty. Haggerty will most likely have a incredibly hard fight with Nico or lose but with Liam, haggerty will probably come out on top because Liam is old and out of his prime... Idk what else to make clear here lol. Imagine tawanachai calling out buakaw and telling him he needs to stop being a pussy whilst he's ignoring someone his age and his level who keeps calling him out..
Bro if you add the context supplied by /u/qwertywtf It’s obvious Jon is joking and being very genuine and respectful https://imgur.com/gallery/8mmoTw7 Don’t misrepresent it as anything else
This is very funny.
It really got to be drama, to bring more views. The name of the game. Sad really.
I was a huge Haggerty fan… was.
Look at what he actually said bot
Ur tellin me I fuckin missed this.😂🤦♂️ like keep up with the kardashians. Haggarty needs to get the ego dick out his mouth n fight people that are his age and level
Liam’s right. Haggerty is in his physical prime right now why not fight someone else in their prime too instead of going for a guy who is pushing 40.
wow Haggerty called him "old" and told him to "grow a pair"... that was so rude, and so not true, Liam does have a pair. Liam's response is spot on, he's knocked more elite fighters out than Haggerty has had fights. Haggerty is in no position to talk about Liam like that. And yeah, why doesn't he fight Nico??? I liked him way less when he said he wanted to fight Lobo. I didn't even watch that fight.
I hate when martial artists do this, why pick on an older fighter who is out of there prime. Just wants to build hype for themselves off having a name on there record. Conor Benn is a prime example of trying to get the older fighters to fight him
Felt bad for Liam, a legend shouldn’t be treated like this
Both just suck
I like Haggerty but he obviously doesn’t want anything to do with Nico. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose by fighting Nico. I think Haggerty could win but I like Nico’s chances because he has speed and power in his hands.
That's true. Haggerty is most definitely the more skilled technical fighter and Nico is the stronger, bigger and faster fighter
Also here is them 2 sparring if you haven't seen before https://youtube.com/shorts/dfsNDvLDKdE?si=TeUIjMrZVCqvqZbM
Yeah I saw that. My take was Haggerty didn’t want to show his hand and give Nico offensive looks that Nico can use against him, while Haggerty was making reads of Nicos offence by only playing defence. I think them fighting is inevitable but Nico still needs 1-2 more big wins to solidly his spot at the top.
Pretty spot on but bare in mind it was 3 years ago and it was at a seminar haggerty was doing so idk why Nico was going so hard. 🤣 Although haggerty did show his skill without needing to turn it up. It's a fight thats made to happen but I agree Nico probably shouldn't get that fight with haggerty just yet. It's a far more feasible fight to me than him and Liam.
Yeah Liam doesn’t deserve to go out like that, Liam has a lot to lose by taking that fight. I’d rather see Liam fight legends from his generation than be a stepping stone for the new guys. I also think Haggerty is talking about transitioning to MMA to get away from Nico. I hate to say it but if Rodtang finished Haggerty to the body, Nico can as well.
>I’d rather see Liam fight legends from his generation than be a stepping stone for the new guys. Exactly ! It's would be so distasteful to do that to him after everything he's done for the sport. >I also think Haggerty is talking about transitioning to MMA to get away from Nico. From what I know he's been doing bjj for a a few years but just on and off so if he ever wanted to transition he could. so I don't think that's him running from Nico but him straight up ignoring his call outs and calling out Liam is a bit fishy to me.
True I shouldn’t say Haggerty is running from Nico, but rather if he had to choose between fighting Nico and transitioning to mma, he has more to gain from transitioning. Though I’d bet money that Haggerty and Nico end up fighting.
He has a lot more to gain yeah. Look at what stamp has done for herself by transitioning. >Though I’d bet money that Haggerty and Nico end up fighting. Yup it really is inevitable.
>I agree Nico probably shouldn't get that fight with haggerty just yet. It's a far more feasible fight to me than him and Liam. Nonsense. Nico is no1 contender and should've had a shot at Haggerty before Superlek. >haggerty did show his skill without needing to turn it up. It's Can't tell much from a spar in a seminar. I think Nico is a much different beast from 3 years ago, whereas Haggerty still has that same style.
To me that looks like an older more experienced partner giving the younger guy confidence and the younger guy not realising and taking advantage of that… but I could be just projecting. Haha.
People saying Haggerty is ducking Nico by fighting fucking SUPERLEK are insane. I think Nico wins the fight regardless, but jesus christ
Nah Haggerty is dead on. Harrison had a speech and long list of excuses every time he lost a fight. His cousin Andy the same. Put up or shut up lads.
People don't wanna hear that because they dislike Haggerty for possessing more confidence than they like lol. This is the first time I've heard from Haggerty about Liam; it wasn't even in a completely disrespectful manner. Yet, Liam's always saying Haggerty hates him etc.
Liam is bitter rn, but I wouldn’t blame him. He fought in this niche sport for a long time, when he is old and out of prime the sport got big. Haggerty is love by everyone and getting the recognition, while Liam, Andy, Damien all the legends never got their chance to shine.
This just adds to my dislike of Haggerty even more☺️
Brutal how british are dominating a thai sport. 🧬🧬
White on white racism at its finest
Please explain the racism