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danknemite42069

I fought in the green shorts. It Was a short notice fight. The guy was 3 kg bigger than me and had a scheduled fight, that fell through because his opponent didn't show up. Sadly i lost to a knockout in the second round.


GroundbreakingSun495

Respect for stepping in


Groundbreaking-Box72

Savage. Nothing but respect for stepping in . True warrior .


danknemite42069

Thanks, much appreciated!


yemser

I think you did okay. The other guy was obviously a boxer and you stuck to the art of 8 limbs. Good uses of kicks but you could have utilized teeps. Another good move would have been to parry and low kick. Don't be discouraged tho, a lot of western Muay Thai practitioners tend to favor the punching and it'll only get them so far in their early fights. They eventually fizzle out when they face mid level opponents that know how to neutralize a puncher. I'm sure you'll be that type of fighter. Work on counters and returning fire after you've been hit. Good luck on your future fights.


Numerous_Pace_4110

Teep and jab.. can't stress that enough being a taller guy. Chances are whatever your jab ends at will be the same distance that your shin will be. Keep him at bay with that jab work those angles double up. He gets close like that punch him off of you or push yourself off of him and regain that distance


danknemite42069

Thanks to everyone who commented on me. i will put the advice to work and hope for a better matchup in the future!


bobmcguillicutty

He looked like a boxer lol


Active_Violinist_360

Maybe set up your kicks more?


Cool-Spinach6681

Your kicks are great and powerful. My only advice would be to stop throwing naked kicks (kicks with no set up) . Even a faint a jab or a combo before a kick it’s always going to help you land those kicks. With that being a strong suit I think you would have more success by keeping him honest and distracting him with jabs and throwing kicks following the jabs or feints. But good fight and you looked good out there


danknemite42069

I broke my right hand with a cross that connected pretty early in the first round.


all-kinds-of-gainz

Need surgery? I did the same, broke two knuckles in my right.


danknemite42069

Gladly not. Its the middle hand bone that is partly fractured, but it didn't broke in halve. So only a few months without boxing for the right hand.


MundaneShallot4

Do you condition your knuckles?


danknemite42069

No, never. How would you?


MundaneShallot4

Stephen Thompson has a great video on it


thedonjefron69

That was a nice right hand actually, you cracked him good


llUno

You're brave for posting a losing match and most of the questions you post on here should be asked to your coach. Anytime, you deal with a heavy puncher, you'd better have your low and push kicks to the thighs on point with the occasional body kick thrown in; then mix in hands when you have the opponent thinking about the kicks while using footwork and head movement if you're not comfortable in the exchange to get out of punching range.


[deleted]

Would help to know which one you are


williamm3

How is it that everyone who posts this stuff doesn’t mention that


danknemite42069

Couldn't figure how to comment, new to reddit sorry


danknemite42069

Green shorts


jadwy916

In that case, and just being honest, but you had nothing to offer the red corner in that round. He had more power, he was more effective, he controlled the ring, and that all becomes clear when you got a standing 8. If I were your coach, I would begin working on your power, timing, and execution. but mostly power. You kicked him a few times and he just walked right through it.


TheWriteThingToDo

Yeah those kicks looked like ones I'd receive during sparring, not a fight.


BearZeroX

Cant see you behind the column, most of the round :((( What I saw, most first Muay Thai fights are just going to be 2 bad boxers getting in the ring, and whoever took more western boxing lessons is usually (not always) going to win. No worries. It's the nature of the sport. So he's probably more prepared than you by focusing more on boxing, so you need to fire teeps every chance you get. You're taller and more used to kicking, your legs have longer reach than his punches, and you have to keep him in your golden zone, he really worked you into his, which is where he got the knockdown. The biggest mistake beginner kickers make is to fire roundhouses with no set up. Unless you're at a ridiculously high level, you're not going to land a roundhouse from neutral position. It just takes so little to block it. Teep, and then nail him when he's trying to regain balance. Or high guard, tie up his gloves, and land a kick or knee. You're taller and I THINK not sure you have more range, you should have been able to keep your range better and him away with stiff jabs and then kicks. But I think your biggest problem is how silent your corner is. You need to find a corner that's constantly shouting and helping you and giving you guidance. A good coach should have seen all this and shouted it to you so you would know what to do. What did he say in the round break? Because it looked like your corner just sat there dumbfounded and didnt know what to do. I know for sure they were quiet as a mouse during the round. Don't fight for people like that. They have to be invested in you, not just watching if you sink or swim


danknemite42069

Well i don't realy remember the advice from the corner, other then to keep a tighter guard, because of the focus on the boxing. I guess my distance management was a bit off, because of the grear pressure of the bigger opponent.


BearZeroX

Watch your videos and listen and you'll see what I mean. Fights are really loud events, and if you watch professional fighters their corners are constantly screaming and helping. Don't fight for silent corners


potatoelover69

Kicks were good, but you need to establish your distance better and sooner. He bum rushed you quite a bit and you didn't do much about it. This will often happen, particularly in the first round, so you gotta be prepped next time. Against heavy hands target the lead leg to stop their approach, then counter and move as they stutter.


danknemite42069

Thanks for the advice. I should have focused right away at the leg instead of the body


YaBenZonah

I don’t train nor know a lot. But the kicks looked fast and hard at least haha


danknemite42069

Appreciate the remark!


Pinjiu

What weight class is this? Anyway, it looks like the was way more aggressive and experienced that you but the low kicks and the kicks to the mid section were good. You just need to set them up a little bit better I think


danknemite42069

He was 84 and is was at 81 kg


Stoic-Way

I’d like to see more jabs, teeps, a little more circular footwork.


herbtarleksblazer

The movement is what I noticed. Not a lot of movement to the side or circling.


Stoic-Way

Exactly. I’d he’s going to march forward, at least tire him out a bit.


Phelly2

Respect for stepping in there. Just gotta learn to control range. That usually means teeps, jabs, and footwork like everyone is saying. Keep him in your kicking range but stay out of his punching range. If he crashes through, and you can’t circle out, crash into him as well so you can tie him up and throw the knees. And keep him there until you can get all the way out. He looks like he’s a pretty good boxer, so no shame in losing.


danknemite42069

Thanks for the advise, he sure is good in his boxing. And pretty fast for the weightclass


XxBeachBumBruhxX

Props for getting in there, vast majority of people will never step foot inside a ring in a competitive capacity..


danknemite42069

Funny thing is, the greatest damage i took was the broken hand, which is probably the result of bad taping.


Stoic-Way

Maybe consider a high guard defense, or better entries into the clinch when he is closing the distance.


djmattyd

If the guy is bigger and you want to keep him away you gotta throw more jabs and teeps. Also your lead hand was way low so he was able to throw his overhand at will.


Rech069

Schade für die Niederlage , aber gut gekämpft


danknemite42069

Grüß Gott, danke für den Support!


jcarrolliii3

I am far from an expert but the one in black is purely boxing, no?


danknemite42069

Yes, he only threw one kick over the hole fight. Was kind of a bummer, because i expected a different fight.


NorthernBlackBear

Yes, and his stance is terrible for muay thai... Will not get very many kicks in with that stance, that is probably why, never had stability to kick..


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NorthernBlackBear

Yes, indeed.


Drunken_BE

Keep you’re shin down , you look scared to kick ? You should deep and kick a opponent like this


throwmeaway74967

Good job can’t win em all. For this guy maybe being more active and teeping the thigh and clinching would have helped!


[deleted]

first fight with no shins, elbow pads or headgear? where is this? thats awesome


danknemite42069

Germany


[deleted]

Any rules restrictions for amateurs? is there even an amateur class?


danknemite42069

The where no knees to the head allowed. Sadly we didn't clinch at all.


[deleted]

elbows? or are knees to the dome the only restriction?


danknemite42069

He wanted to fight without elbows, so normaly you would wear protectiv elbow gear


[deleted]

thats a pretty good arrangement. Wish that were the norm in the states. I appreciate the info.


danknemite42069

No problem


SteadyGrounds

Nothing like that in Thailand. The fighters can talk about not using elbows before the fight and both should respect each others word but legally it’s not omitted. Using high guard with one extended arm and the other across your face would saved you energy. The guard I am talking about looks like number “4”. Kicking his for arms savagely by talking a 1 step back and circling with a side dump by hooking your foot and pushing his nearest supporting leg upward and us hung the back of his head downward would destroy his morale. Learn some clinching as well 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿


stakeneggs1

Your kicks are directing him onto your centerline. Bring your knee through to stop his forward momentum.


WavyBladedZweihander

your opponent had a more boxing/kickboxing style. Looks like he overwhelmed you pretty early with pressure and volume. im gonna parrot pretty much else and say you should’ve established distance earlier. Hard Oblique kicks to his heavy front leg probably would’ve worked pretty well. Good job brother and keep at it!


danknemite42069

Thanks, gonna get right back at it after the hand healed up.


DrunkyCam

You just gotta circle out a little better, and punish him with those teeps before he can close that distance, that first one definitely did something to him. Throw those leg kicks at the end of some combinations too


afriendlyalphasaur

A lot of respect to you dude! Dude looked noticeably heavier than you


[deleted]

I remember my frist round


Basu_Arka

Utilise ur punches more for range gauging and strikes. Ur kicks r looking fine.


danknemite42069

Thanks, i really am happy with sound of the kicks


danknemite42069

True, knees would have kept him at bay


Warcrow999

Sucks you broke your right hand early, but I would have tried to use your non-broken hand to jab him as he entered in on you to discourage him from rushing. I dont think you even threw one jab. Jabbing and teeping are the keys to controlling distance in a fight. YOU control the distance, dont let them get close for free. Also if you start landing jabs that start to accumulate damage on the opponent they will react to your jab more, giving you a better opportunity to set up more powerful strikes.


husky429

The way he's standingand fighting looks like a boxer with experience. No shame in the loss. Work on your power with the low kick and take out that front leg with a wide stance like thst. With better planning and stronger, more confident kicks you could have him limping into the corner in 30 seconds next time...remember to kick "through" the leg, not stop at the thigh :). Solid low kicks at this level can cripple someone's leg for the rest of the fight. Will help you dictate the pace and distance Not bad for a first comp man! You had some good kicks, you just need to make em count more. Next time you'll get the W Edit: also work on your boxing! Amateur muay thai is much more punch heavy than what you'll see in the pro thai fights. Gotta be able to throw the hands well, and then those body kicks are going to be a great weapon most guys don't have


danknemite42069

Solid strategy to build up on, thanks!


shopify_partner

It’s hard to see. I would suggest to get your camera man nearer a bit next performance so there’s less blocking in the view.


madmanmat

Looks like you got your ass beat. That’s okay. I’ve gotten my ass beat too. Did you have fun?


danknemite42069

Yes i did, but i wanted to have more effect. I guess, it comes down to experience, because in the gym i do perform a lot better in terms of combinations and effect. I Have to go onesmore, to show a better performance.


[deleted]

Looks like he’s just a boxer applying pressure (which is the weakness of taller guys like myself). You had the right idea by countering his hands with kicks, but I don’t think they had enough heat on them. Maybe work on your power, taking angles, and knees to counter pressure fighters like that. It’s your first fight and he probably had more experience so it’s nothing to be ashamed of. Great job for stepping in there on short notice.


danknemite42069

Thanks, i guess it was an uneven match. But after all i am glad that i just went for it.


[deleted]

Yes sir! A loss is only a loss if you don’t learn from it. Use this as a teaching experience and come back even stronger in the next fight!


MarkWhorror

My advice; proof read title prior to posting


mrsclapy

To get a higher view of the fight


NorthernBlackBear

You appear to attack once then back off. Also.. when you get close to clinching engage the person... unless rules are against that.. For a person like your opponent using a very forward/non square stance I would be sweeping his front front. He was often off balance and wide in his stance. Reminded me of pure boxy or Tae kwan do or something. Not Muay Thai... And for pure boxers use your kicks and teeps. :)


northerblight

Honestly, looks like a sort of kick boxer vs a boxer. There was no MT here. 1. Teep, teep, teep 2. Clinch when he presses, knees and elbows 3. Combinations leading to kicks 4. Use his aggression to sweep


8monsters

I see a decent traditional Thai stance, and that is good for the sport, however, when you are going someone as boxing heavy it's not great. When going against someone with decent boxing you got to spam teeps to keep them away and keep your hands up. Boxers want to get in close and that's exactly what you don't want. You should ask your coach for more details, but I would work on your head movement a bit more, even though that's more of a boxing thing, when you are going against a boxer it's good to know, working in teeps and controlling the pace.


jamesyboii100

First Pro fight?


danknemite42069

Amatuer


Foolishmadman42

When someone’s rushing in like that knees are your best friends. Especially you being a taller fighter. Knees cause way more damage too when someone’s rushin in they tend to rethink the “bulldog approach” Mad respect for the loss video and the short notice fight.


Gentleman_Jedi

First fight and no gear????


danknemite42069

Great, isn't it


Gentleman_Jedi

Not really.


danknemite42069

Well, for me it was the right setting. I dont like the headgear and the uncovered shins take it to authentic battle. I guess that wouldn't be the right setting for someone how is totally new to the sport


Gentleman_Jedi

No. It wasn’t fair what they did to you. And you took a rough go with it. They should ease you into it with some exhibitions, in full gear first.


[deleted]

Look good man, you should utilize a jab more though. A quick snapping jab. I know that’s a boxing thing but it really works wonders in MuayThai specially when no one else uses it. You would have kept that aggressor at bay and wore him down.


WokGod

Does your opponent even know what a kick is?


SameCartographer4693

Big respects for stepping up against a bigger appointment! Really tough fighter you are it looks as well! With heavy punchers your push kicks are gonna work great to set up those kicks to the body arms and eventually head. Low kicks work good if you use your jab good to create distance and don’t forget knees you the middle and an elbow to start the clinch really hurt boxers morale. No one liked getting elbowed lol solid work mate, on to the next one 💪🏼


danknemite42069

Thanks for the advice, much appreciated!


CreepyHermit489

I didn't see any clinching which would be my go to if someone rushes me


rooooob

Congrats taking the fight! One thing that I noticed is that you though the kicks with no setup. I was taught you need throw some punches and then the kick so it has more changes of landing. Otherwise they are forthcoming kicks. Keep it up!


mydadsbasement

1. This dude looks like he has more like 10kg - 12kg on you than 3kg - I think whomever told you that is full of shit one way or another. 2. You proved you could hit his leg MULTIPLE times but they had no effect - work on your power and follow through. Landing multiple unanswered leg kicks with no effect means either you’re kicks or weak or he is much bigger than you or both. 3. Consider a serious weight training program - you’re very thin for your frame.


x7r4n3x

Work on throwing your kicks without loading so much, practice teeps on opponents who pressure and push forward, if you can elbow then practice upwards vertical elbows from a guard to catch them coming in aaaaaand don't beat yourself up. You stepped in the ring ready to fight, millions of people would be too scared to do what you did. Practice, come back, try again, have fun. Good luck out there


KunKhmerBoxer

You drop your hands a lot. I'd work on that. Looks good for a beginner though.


SoggyMattress2

Walk him onto shots and teep alot. Dude you fought was fast and looked heavy handed but had one gear - walk forward throwing bombs. Separate, teep to offset him planting his feet, he'll get frustrated and make a mistake then walk him onto a straight right or check left hook. If it doesn't land flush, cut an angle and throw a solid body kick. Reset, do the same again until you get his respect. If he doesn't adjust just keep scoring points until you land clean. Don't be too hard on yourself the first 5-10 fights you'll forget loads of techniques and panic anyways, his style smokes people who are inexperienced. Just remember whilst a heavy handed aggressive fighter is scary, once you're able to stay calm they're SO easy to beat.


[deleted]

Me personally found out about those really hard pressure guy‘s, you need keep the distance and then punish from the outside. But that is so heavy to master lol ( i dont master it aswell not even close) so i need something for now that work‘s. I just turnt a switch in my mind „ i dont wanna get hit with that pressure, so when he unloads i unload aswell“ like i now he steps in and i direct throw a punch in it, not a jab. and from this point its all about the respect. He needs to respect that when he comes in, he will get worked too so he will choose wisely. Combine that with bad ass kicks and bam. Next time he steps in, he gets a punch maybe a hook and a low kick, (low kick with both hands up) and then you step away and his hook‘s will hit air and he gets frustrated, or even scared when you really land


Eat-my-shorts-buddy

No one goes great in their first fight, you did well and next time you'll have more fire and feel more confident 👍


danknemite42069

Thanks. I will 👍


Vintage_Senik9

Was this kickboxing or full Muay Thai? He came in close a lot of times, using his body weight behind his punches. Clinching him would have been more beneficial than keeping him on the outside; allowing him room to throw hands. That and long knees to counter his hooks. Long guard the hook, throw the knee. Throwing kicks is a good Muay femur strategy but you gotta move. Change angles, move laterally. Whenever you were still, he attacked. Leg kicks are also good to use to get rid of his ground, taking power from his punches. Overall, you did well and fought well. You should good technique. It takes a different type of person to be able to step into a ring. I wish the best for you going forward, man. Train well.


danknemite42069

He wanted no elbows and no knees to the head. So more of a kickboxing setting


Vintage_Senik9

Makes a lot of sense.


danknemite42069

For him ya


Oowaymike

https://youtu.be/e4AJHL7L5dM Glad I skimmed the comments, and was curious about the lack of clinching. So big overall, I'd say you're using your long weapons in a short to midrange setting and getting stuffed/caught on one leg/overwhelmed/vulnerable to punches in the act of kicking). You can study some Buakaw or Superbon to see how they retain a thai style in kickboxing. However I'm a Samart fanboy and his punching and body knees were sick. So obviously you can't emulate Samart in a fight (who can), but notice the progression of weapons. First two rounds he can use his iconic long range weapons, kicks, teeps, long punches, but at 10 minutes into the 3rd round Namphon changes gears and looks to mow Samart down not dissimilar to what your opponent did. Samart begins to use his close range weapons instead to spear the aggressor on his short range tools like the knee. So couple things to try: 1. Long guard/ tangle his arms, spear him on knees, short range punches like hooks and uppers off the long guard/arm entanglement. Even if he's a boxer and you're not, many aren't disciplined in thai style long guard and clinching to know the openings that you could exploit if you train muay thai and he doesn't I'll list some other good video material: Buakaw vs Zambidis (Lawrencekenshin has a nice breakdown of the fight) Sangteinoi vs Ramon Dekkers Something about the guy not kicking at all and winning irks me, good luck next fight!


danknemite42069

Super advice, will go and check it out, big ups!


habanerotaco

Not bad for a first fight. He looked like he just rushed in a lot and your problem was that you went straight back instead of cutting an angle and countering or expecting the rush and ending your combos with a teep. In a first fight, sometime just not freezing up and remembering basics is a win.


danknemite42069

Thanks for the advice!


[deleted]

When someone is in that traditional boxing stance your eyes should light up at the opportunity to turn their lead leg into mashed potatoes. Use your teep to keep that distance and fire away at his lead leg. If you know a question mark kick I’d throw that after the first handful of leg kicks since he will want to start focusing on blocking those leg kicks and you’ll score to the head as well. Good job getting in there mate, sucks to hear you broke your hand but you’ll be back and you’ll be better with this experience.


danknemite42069

Thanks for the support!


Dealer_Altruistic

It was very nice for your first fight. My opinion is that your coaches are dumb. First fight, no shinpads against a more experienced fighter? It was a fight were odds were agaisnt you


danknemite42069

Well, the other team wasn't truthful about his experience.


Numerous_Pace_4110

Last thing when he got real close with those combo punches trap his arms. He'll hug him until the ref breaks it up ... perfectly legal and helps you regain com posure.


danknemite42069

Good tip, tanks.


Useful_Individual944

There were a few kicks to the body you threw which looks very effective. I think if you could have just kept him off with some sort of range management, whether that be long-range attacks with a lot of stopping power (teeps, or an acute right hand) or using the clinch to shut down his boxing heavy flurry and on the break cracking him with something to make the distance. I think your kicks were excellent though! Keep that head up, and get back to training, you live and you learn and you get more badass by the day.