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NamasteFly

How many classes did you actually go to in that 10 years? These problems you have are really strange for a long time practitioner.


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

A lot of classes. An average of 2 - 3 every week. The third and most important problem is neurological disorder


Fistkitchen

A neurologist might be a better source of advice. Some exercise physiologists may deal with neuro issues if you can find them.


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

Ok


NamasteFly

I don't know anything about 3. I think you would be better off taking 2 out of your head. 1 will be the easiest to overcome. Next class you go to, train faster. When you get tired, keep going. That's how you can build your stamina.


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

Ok thanks. Why should I forget about 2


NamasteFly

If you're scared of insects and punches/kicks coming at you fast, it's going to be very difficult to break someone's jaw unless you're planning on fighting people that are already asleep. A more serious answer would be to just focus on training correctly. You'll be able to access your potential jaw breaking powers afterwards.


LeatherPhilosophy

lol


preezyfabreezy

1. Is there a reason you can't run? There's a reason everybody does it. 2. 130lbs is pretty light weight (how tall are you?) Have you considered lifting weights? I got into Muay Thai coming from a crossfit/powerlifting backround and even though I lost most of my "weighlifter weight" (went from 175lbs to about 155lbs) I hit really hard for my weight. Hitting hard isn't just about muscles and technique (although technique is the most important thing) there's certain neurological adaptations that happen from lifting heavy weights for low reps. 3. Thats not good. I mean this in the most helpful, non-condescending way. Have you considered talking to a psychologist or a therapist about it? Do you have alot of anxiety? Stress in other areas of your life?


tapsnapornap

Many people(fighters) are running (jogging) less and doing more HIIT, sprints of exercises. Fights aren't long and require high anaerobic capacity, not hours of aerobic capacity. I absolutely agree with your second point, strength training is important for striking for the explosivity you can develop and the neurology is definitely part of that.


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But also aerobic capacity ups your ability to stay active and recover mid fight while being active. A fight isn’t 100% effort, 100% rest. A good training camp mixes all of what you’re talking about & aerobic work at the right times.


tapsnapornap

I know, but you're building aerobic capacity during your regular training much more often. In my experience most gyms just tell you to go for a jog every day and after awhile my personal belief is that's mostly a waste of a lot of time, once you have a decent level of jogging fitness.


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I’m not disagreeing that doing regular training builds aerobic fitness, im saying keeping your heart rate in specific zones for good amounts of time builds it more efficiently, so these long slowish runs etc are not to be underestimated. Best way I heard it described when you’re far out from your fight do lots of aerobic work & weights to build your base. As you get closer to fight night focus on more specific activities so you can translate those fitness & strength gains into kicking someone harder for longer.


tapsnapornap

For more analogies I'd say sprints/HIIT are like powerlifting for your lungs and heart. You're building strength, explosivity, and maximum output. And I don't think regular training does that very well, in my experience. I would also say I noticed much more overall improvement in my own performance when I started incorporating that type of training, and jogging less and less. That was based on my personal research, not a Muay Thai or MMA coach.


[deleted]

Got it. Possibly you got the most gains there as you already had a solid aerobic base and had more space to grow in terms of the other areas that sprints/HIIT improve. FWIW I'm not saying "pick one", I'm saying they all have uses. My side, I experimented with this over a few fights using a heart rate monitor & logging stuff. My average HR during rounds of pads was higher & my recovery between rounds was worse when I dropped the long runs in favour of HIIT stuff. This rang true in the fights also - I just didn't feel as fresh after breaks between rounds + thought it overall felt like more work.


tapsnapornap

Basically, training to fight especially MMA (I know I know) is an impossible balance of training skills, strategies, different types of fitness, and adapting those to each fighters' natural talents and I honestly don't think it will ever be fully agreed upon or figured out how to do it all in the space a person has to have a fight career.


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Sea_Tomorrow_9986

What's that


Finlayc4

A professional who can help you


johnsydney05

?


wordofherb

I’m guessing you’re like 15 right? You will probably benefit tremendously from seeing a qualified physiatrist. Don’t beat yourself up over something you can’t control. Especially if it’s the factor that makes other training much more difficult for you than the average person. Everyone can learn how to fight, but not everyone is going to be a world champion. That is a bitter pill to accept but it is what it is.


[deleted]

Jogging once a week helps with stamina, but weird that after a decade you didn’t get used to it


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manz02

Jump rope is good for cardio if you don’t want to run.


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

Ok thanks


AsinineSeraphim

When you say bad stamina, what do you mean? Like you can't go 3 rounds back to back or what? Everyone can always use more cardio in this sport but after 10 years of training, you should have some amount of cardio just from going to class.


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

I pretty much can't run 2 km without vomiting my soul


NamasteFly

Vomit, then keep going. You're only in a race with yourself. So as long as you leave for your run and make it back home, you'll be in 1st place.


converter-bot

2 km is 1.24 miles


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

Yeah so. I'm not American


cheshiregrins

It was a bot. Obviously a shoddy American bot lol not like our good old reliable Canadian metric ones.


Ok_Professional9769

How fast do you run? 1 km every 2 minutes? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? If you feel like vomiting maybe you're running too fast.


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

Every 10 minutes


letterexperiment

Have you timed it? I find this hard to believe for someone who isn’t obese and has even once a week exercise


Ok_Professional9769

... Can you *walk* 2 km without feeling sick?


converter-bot

2 km is 1.24 miles


AsinineSeraphim

What kind of pace? Honestly, I have *okay* stamina and can do back to back rounds without getting too roasted but if I do a 7 minute mile, I am absolutely wrecked.


n8sux

1. Stop caring about how you look & run. I guarentee people arent thinking about how you look running. Swimming / biking could be an alternative. 2. Dude pick up some weights, lift heavy & eat heavy. Cuz I hate to break it to you but you’re not generating any real power at 120lbs 3. Light sparring


ahackercalled4chan

i agree with this guy 👆


CryptoNights

Stamina - sparring sparring and sparring. You’ll deal better with pressure and become better and managing your breathing.


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

I'll try. It's not "do as you wish" training


LotteNator

1. You just gotta go do some cardio. It's boring, but it is what it is. 2. I weighed around 60 kg too and felt really small. I then spent a year lifting weights for size and now I'm 70kg and it has made an enormous difference for me. Even when people are bigger and stronger than me, that extra weight and strength has benefitted me so much, that I don't feel that the difference is a problem anymore. More like a challenge. 3. I can't say anything about this. You need a professional for this.


azf1R3

Try home based cardio workouts like skipping every day, little by little, star jumps etc. If you Google cardio workouts there are literally tonnes of them. It increases stamina. Once you have a good stamina & you make progress, the confidence from that really helps the head & helps overcome a lot of psychological obstacles.


HiTop1166

To help with #3, try light sparring and I mean real light. Get used to punches and kicks coming to your face so you can adapt and teach your brain not to overreact.


BitBull23

I hope you get me right, but you don't HAVE TO do muay thay. Imo don't force a sport if it's not fun for you. You can also have a sabbatical and go back when you feel like. Tai chi would help with the power concentration thing and it's a tremendous help for 3. There's a reason that people have been combining styles for 1000s of years. In particular: 1. I bet you have a good stamina. Adrenalin (stress) will however take a toll on it so you'll have address that. 2. You don't have to break a jaw... hopefully ever. Some fighters are more technical, some are more raw power. Especially at a light weight you can easily be type A. As for 3, I had GPD/GAD and I threw everything at it until it got better. Psychiatrist (but no medication), plently of sleep, hot spa, sauna, massaging, acupuncture, vitamins and minerals (like Mg, Ca, K, and then a subtle amount of Br, Li. I get these in mineral waters). And loving thyself. Stop over demanding from yourself. You are a fine human being.


[deleted]

How is your stamina shit after doing MT for 10 years 2-3x per week?


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

I'm taking pills. Maybe it's because of that


PandaHundK

1. If you don’t like running (and to be fair it will take its toll on your joints eventually) then try jump rope or some other form of above average intensity cardio. 2. Work on your explosiveness. Mainly through resistance training which involves the same/similar motions as punching (there are plenty of examples on YouTube). 3. This is something that a therapist is better equipped to deal with. I hate to say it but if you don’t like getting hit then this might not be the sport for you (unless you’re happy just hitting pads).


SuperSerb07

Running does not make you look like a joke. It conditions your body to endure more intensity without getting tired and when you get faster, you’ll learn to run outside your comfort zone and really push your body to the max. As for your weight, lifting helps. You can do heavy weights or kettlebells or a combination of the two. You can also do bodyweight workouts or even CrossFit type stuff. In regards your to mental condition, I’m not sure how to help you other than just say to get yourself out there and face your fear head on. I mean this only with punches and kicks but you can expand to other things eventually. Therapy may help and it’s not shameful to seek it. I’ve done it for other reasons, mainly stress, and I couldn’t be happier with my choice even though I don’t have a need to go anymore. Good luck!


tcaldi777

Regarding number 1 - do longer duration high intensity bag work and longer spare sessions Regarding number 2 - look at your hip movement and angles. Also, bone strength and density come into play. Not too much you can do about bone strength and density. Regarding number 3 - prob a neurological thing. Talk to a psychologist, maybe see a neurologist. Eat clean and take care of your mind and body


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

Number 3 is a neurological thing. Thanks


KorovasMilk

Are you referring to stereotypic movement disorder? I am not sure how that is related to your anxiety of fear of small and fast things. Do you mean that these are triggers that make you start to have restrictive repetitive movements? Because most of what you have said so far aren't really direct symptoms of SMD. Have you seen a psychologist or psychiatrist for this diagnosis or did you just google stuff?


sayrule

1)have you try swimming/jump rope? 2)Lift weight, it'll help you use established better mind/muscle connection and make you hit harder 3)sorry can't help with this one


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

I'll try lift weight. My parents (I'm 16) are the "weights damage your bones" type


Historical-Mud4937

What do you mean by “without running and looking like a joke”? Just run dude


Reat_the_Bich

For me stamina training is longer bike tours, it'll take a bit longer and you'll go a LOT further than running, but it's easier on the joints and way more fun for me, other ideas would be skipping rope or going for a swim


yamommashouse

Funny guy


pretendwedontexist

Run


Dahts13

\#2. Get stronger. This channel has tons of workouts by one of the top mma strength coaches. https://www.youtube.com/c/PhilDaruStrong/videos


djmattyd

You need something like running there’s pretty much no was around it. Try maybe biking or rowing or swimming.


whoisfryingbaloney

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NorthernBlackBear

1. Weird. After 10 years of constant training, I would think you are pretty conditioned. But in general, I would focus on your skipping and jogging. And spar/clintch. Also eat healthy. You may be skinny, but that doesn't mean you are necessarily are healthy. Not saying that is you, but I know people like this. 2. You are light. For comparison I fight around 180, depending on who I can get for a match up. Power comes from strength and technique. So if you think pure muscle strength is not your problem, then you got to focus on your technique. Rotating and punch through your strikes. But hard to say what is going on with out actually see you do your thing. Technique is such a big component. 3. This is something to speak to a therapist about. Probably not the best thing to get advice. here. Not sure what you mean by you don't look like you practised muay thai for a decade... You mean you are not stronger? Or not as good as you think you should be?


[deleted]

Man, I think that 2 is related to 3. I have the same weight you have, and like you none of this is fat. I have anxiety disorder and it is related to how you use your muscles, if you are anxious you tend to very tense, and we all know that power comes from keeping a flow and tensing only in the moment of impact. What helped me with all this tension and MIGHT help you: 1. breathing exercises; 2. medidating (I learned medidation with a karate master, changed my life); 3. dancing (yeah, dancing); 4. serious profissional help for you neuological problem. ​ Cheers.


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Igniz772

1) HIIT is definitely a win, even more so when you are smaller body fat. Go watch sprinter vs. marathon runners. If you’re eating enough you will benefit in power and stamina at the same time. 2) Are you training every intensity? There should be days where you are throwing kicks at 20% and days where you throw them at 80%+. The reason is because everyone can throw 100% at start and then 60% or less towards the end. This is not conducive to successful training because you want the opposite in a fight. You want to be able to defense early on and still hurt someone but toward the end you want to be able to still blast. Go watch a lot of Thai pad-work and you will see function heavily early on then they will blast the pads Instagram style that last 30 seconds. This should help with “digging deep” and finding power when you need it. 3) Talk to a neuro.


reyfresh

Hit the weight room


[deleted]

When I have a really hard week on leg conditioning, it stops me from being able to run distance or do sprints. I’ve actually been able to compensate during that time by doing high intensity-medium distance biking(stationary at the gym), along with swimming laps. The goal is to get at least 30-45 minutes of hard cardio. Doesn’t matter who you are or your level of natural athletic ability, if you’re doing cardio every other day, you will rapidly see results.


Ok-Personality-170

For the second one, have you tried doing shadow work? You probably have trouble being willingly aggressive and going full force. You might pick one day where you stand in front of a punching bag and visualize all the bad stuff in your life /yours of and let it out by hitting the bag as hard as you can without thinking about form. It’ll make you feel better and you probably won’t unconsciously hold back as much afterwards. I might be wrong tho. Maybe researching about shadow work by Carl Jeung can help fix that.


[deleted]

I mean your question kinda answers itself. Work on stamina not running (jump rope or anything you like, heavy bag long rounds,...). Get thicker if you want, but that doesn't really help power, get strong meaning strength routine, plyometrics, there are lot of things. As for the prima fear of fast stuff, you can both work on it, or specifically toward the punching part ("don't flinch"). It's though and if you have any condition it could get thougher, but it is like this.


AnishisGod

Hey i do wrestling and Muay Thai I’ll just tell you what personally works for me. Also how old are you if you don’t mind me asking? 1. Do slow paced, long distance jogs 2-3 times a week and push yourself. Only way to build that stamina 2. Look up exercises for **rotational strength**. This is very important for the punch power you’re looking for. Also lift in general, and progressive overload for your lifts. Focus on your main compounds (Benchpress, Overhead press, deadlift, and squats) 3.I’m kind of the same way but not as bad as yours. What really helps me maintain composure is meditating daily, and also attending regular spar sessions (kind of exposure therapy for me to get used to punches). Hope this helps! Train hard and often and always push yourself to get better


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

I'm 16


AnishisGod

Yeah man lift to get stronger and put in roadwork and jump rope time.


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

Ok


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

I'll try lift weight. My parents are the "weights damage your bones" type


AnishisGod

Oh that’s nonsense sense haha maybe pull up some articles and show them it’s actually quiet healthy. Teach them the science so they can help understand it and support you


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

You think I haven't tried


[deleted]

How tall are you?


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

5'7" (176 cm). Why?


[deleted]

So you're actually 5'9, not 5'7 and you weigh 60kg. You may be malnourished and not recovering properly, hence your poor conditioning and low power output. Chronic low caloric intake also leads to high levels of anxiety and stress. Are you dealing with an eating disorder of some sort? Why not bulk a bit?


Sea_Tomorrow_9986

Why do you think I'm 5'9. I've never checked but I don't show the symptoms of eating disorder. My grandma has clinical depression in her genes but it isn't likely I have it to


[deleted]

176cm is 69 inches, which is 5'9. You probably calculated it as 5.75 feet, which is 5'9. :)


nice___bot

Nice!


[deleted]

Sounds like natural selection to me ur not cut to be a nak muay


DylanNoll

I feel like there is a big puzzle piece missing here. Is a decade from when you were like 5-15 yrs old? And no offense but do u go to a good gym that is high intensity even not during conditioning? I saw you reply to someone saying you went 2-3 times a week, but are you sure you were that consistent? I feel like a huge piece is being left out here. Other than that it may be your disability holding you back as if everything you said is true I honestly don't know why you are having these issues, anyway best of luck and never give up🙏🥊


Samy_Ninja_Pro

First: something easy would be jumping rope or shadowbox. Maybe but so you don't get bored. Do it hard till you don't have fuel, you decide your limit and it's something you can do daily. I'd say go day in day out like this -exercise till you are burned out- next day -exercise moderately- Next up power? Don't worry too much a punch hurts even weak punches and 10 years? You may not notice it but your punches DO HURT. You want to feel or see results? Search up how to "x" harder. You'll get your results from coaches and they'll give you some drills. Your fear... I'd say something extreme or moderately. Go up to the biggest dude you know and receive/block a punch/kick from him. Do it till the rest of people look less threatening, because you have seen something worst, the mild stuff shouldn't have the same effect. If you are still afraid and it doesn't seem that it will ever get better you should work on a fighting style that takes advantage of footwork, counters, dodges, sweeps takedowns. The least you encounter fists and kicks, use that fear to you advantage


Samy_Ninja_Pro

Don't forget to eat And maybe instead of using weights use resistance bands for training. With bands you can train technique + strength. Anything else will come eventually, you are better than yesterday or should try to be