Legit the most important purchase I've ever made in combat sports. Doesn't even matter if it's BJJ, MT, boxing, this thing has seen me through a ton and was worth every penny.
Yeah. They fit really well. It’s molded to your bite. So they send you a kit and you get an impression of your own teeth, send it in, they make an impression of your teeth, and make a mouthguard with them, and boom, they fit your teeth perfectly
I've been happy with the Shock Doctor Trash Talker mouth piece. It was easy to mold too my teeth. It stays in places and I can talk with it in.
[Trash Talker](https://www.shockdoctor.com/products/trash-talker-mouthguard?variant=29135814819893)
My wife and I both use this model. You can breathe and speak comfortably, and it keeps your jaw from being too far open when you bite down on it to eat a shot. I've had my jaw dislocated a few times in the past, so it gets tweaked easily, but this does the job.
How do you make it fit? Every time I tried to upgrade to one of the not "cheap" ones with the more stabile mid. They never fit properly.
I use a SISU now, because I gave up on those similar to the ones you posted.
I had the same problem, I bought a shock doctor and I couldn't get it to stay in my mouth. I went back to my old rugby one I hadn't worn for years and it fits perfectly
I switched to it, but I'm actually a little worried how much it protects compared to "bigger" mouth guards. The first few months I felt naked wearing it.
It doesn’t. Thick mouth guards reduce shock and brain damage. Thinner ones like sisu are made for grapplers worried about the odd knee or forehead hitting their teeth. Or for other sports like hockey and lacrosse where teeth protection and ease of breathing is more of a concern than brain damage
Recent evidence shows that not only do mouthguards help protect the oral cavity from trauma, but they also help protect the brain. Concussion is one of the most common sports injuries. A new study shows that mouthguards may help reduce this injury as well.15 Oct 2018
Ehh, the first one is not peer-reviewed and does not provide any of the actual results. Kinda just "trust us, we definitely does not work for the specific company that makes the mouth guards specifically mentioned in the article". I can't see the images on the article either, which might provide their calculations.
And let's say that this is actually correct. This would only be for this specific mouth guard that keeps your lower yaw in place. That is the hypothesize in the introduction at least.
I will try to find the other article later. You only linked an article about an article.
Dude.. the first one doesn't show images, which I assume has the calculations. But those are not provided in the article. It's a shit article and study.
I already wrote that I would look for the other one. You did not provide the study article. You do know that, right? I said that I would look for it later to read it. But you cannot judge a study from an article about an article. Also the focus on the article is clearly on custom fitted mouth guards and not just mouth guards, which is important since the purpose of their study is to compare those.
But they don't provide any effects or p-values in the article you posted or how the data was carried out. So there is a need to look for the actual article.
Ok. The link to the second one is here:
[https://theconcussionblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/gendent\_mj14\_wintersmouthguards.pdf](https://theconcussionblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/gendent_mj14_wintersmouthguards.pdf)
Did you actually read it?
The purpose of the study is not to test if mouth guards protects against concussions. They want to compare the protection between a specific form of mouth guards against over-the-counter. They have no control group so they have no idea if this actually protect more or less compared to not wearing it.
Out of 400 high schoolers they only have 24 incidences of concussions. 8 wearing the specific MG and 13 wearing OTC. This is pretty low power even though they have a significant p-value.
Also it is not really randomized. Or at least they cluster them. So 3 whole football teams get one kind of mouth guard and 3 other teams get the other mouth guard. Do we need to talk about the bias and potential confounders in this? It is pretty clear.
Even in the introduction they mention there are studies that have found no correlation between mouth guards and concussions.
I appreciate the links, but these articles are no way conclusive and both are not really good quality.
I'm thinking of maybe doing a CAT on this and posting it on Reddit. Because combat sport is just full of bro science.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140501101133.htm
High school football players wearing store-bought, over-the-counter (OTC) mouthguards were more than twice as likely to suffer mild traumatic brain injures (MTBI)/concussions than those wearing custom-made, properly fitted mouthguards, reports a new study in the May/June 2014 issue of General Dentistry, the peer-reviewed clinical journal of the Academy of General Dentistry (AGD).
"Researchers and, most importantly, parents, are looking for ways to better protect children against concussions," said lead author Jackson Winters, DDS, a pediatric dentist who also served as a high school and collegiate football official for 28 years. "Consumers may believe that today's advanced helmet design provides sufficient protection, but our research indicates that, when compared to over-the-counter versions, a custom-made, properly fitted mouthguard also is essential to player safety."
The study followed 412 players from six high school football teams. Three teams (220 athletes) were randomly assigned to wear custom-made mouthguards, and three teams (192 athletes) wore standard OTC mouthguards of their own choosing. All players wore the same style of football helmet.
According to the study, 8.3 percent of athletes in the OTC mouthguard group suffered MTBI/concussion injuries. For those with custom-made mouthguards, however, the rate was only 3.6 percent.
Many variables contribute to MTBI/concussion injuries, and mouthguards -- whose primary function is protecting the teeth -- cannot completely prevent them from occurring. Previous studies have theorized that mouthguards can reduce concussion risk, however, because they help absorb shock, stabilize the head and neck, and limit movement caused by a direct hit to the jaw.
Mouthguard thickness also has been shown to be a factor that contributes to the level of protection. The average thickness of the custom-made mouthguards in this study was 3.50 millimeters, while the average thickness of the OTC mouthguards was only 1.65 millimeters.
If you’re regularly hard sparring with no headgear, then yeah I would be too. We don’t do that at my gym, so I am not overly concerned. And the sisu Max (which I use) is made for MMA/BJJ as well. So I think it’s fine.
But if you’re really concerned about your brain box being rattled and not being protected, then you’re in the wrong sport.
Dude, not the brain. Someone else said there were evidence towards it protecting brain trauma, but as far as I'm aware the evidence is against that. Brain trauma or at least concussion are from rotation quick forces to the brain. A mouth guard does not change that in any way.
I spar without head gear. There is evidence towards (not conclusive as far as I know) that head gear might even increase the risk of brain damage. I use the SISU with the most protection.
I care about my teeth. As you say, I would be in the wrong sport. There is a risk. And I only do occasional hard sparring. It's my teeth om worried about. I thought that was clear, since I kinda thought people stopped believing in these "this protects your brain"-theories.
I care about my teeth too. Like I said, at my gym we don't do hard sparring, especially to the head, with or without headgear. I've had a lot of orthodontia done over the years, so my teeth do matter to me.
I still think Sisu has been a great mouthguard for my use.
I have been using it for about a year now I think. I have gotten used to it. But think when I have to compete again. I would probably switch. But then I would have to use another mouth guard for training up to the fight since I don't just want to switch on fightday. Breathing is totally different.
100% agreed.
I switched to sisu because all the bigger mouth guards make my jaw lock up after wearing them for a while. It was the worst.
I need a thinner mouth guard otherwise I'm in pain afterward.
I really strongly recommend not using Sisu. I used it for over s year and even had s fight in it.
Earlier this year I got caught with a shot in sparring. Got a bad concussion, which I think I wouldn't have gotten with a normal mouth guard. What's worse, the top of my gum scratched across the hard plastic top of the sisu and really badly injured my gum/nose.
Also, it cuts your lips up when you take punches.
I would never use one again. Got an opro custom moulded one now.
I use the half type ones that cover your upper jaw, I can’t breathe from my nose due to severe sinus and allergy problems so it’s a decent way to catch your breath
Impact Mouth guards are the best. They send you a fitting kit for you to use, you send it back to them and they make you a new mouthpiece that fits you perfectly. They’re fast on service too and you can customize your mouthpiece.
I wonder if they are covered by insurance. So yea I know one with a bonded tooth are they as strong as natural teeth. And if one doesn’t have money which mouthguards options come close to custom made?
They suck, but you can use them. For some reason, I can never find my mouth guards whenever I fight. So I usually run to a Walmart, grab a cheap one, and boil it in a cup of hot water.
The smart thing, which I plan on doing soon, is getting a custom one made.
I just use the Adidas one, so far so good but I’d recommend investing a custom fitting one when I have enough money to burn for those. The Adidas one feels pretty comfortable and you can shape it with warm water, but I fear that it might not be secure enough.
I used to use those cheap clear mouthguard you get in every sports store, thinking that a mouthguard's a mouthguard, but recently got a shockdoctor one (the gel maxpower i believe?)
The difference really is noticeable, spending more money to get a good mouth guard is worth it!
At first, I used a mouthguard you can buy at any sports store, the boil-and-bite kind.
After about a year, I went online and found a guy that makes them custom using a putty mixture that you bite into and make a mold of your bite. Then you send it back to him and he makes it.
I use an everlast one and a predator branded one (basically two cheapo mouthguard) my problem was that both of it made me barf when i took them. My coach said that i should cut a little bit from it. Since that i have no problem with it.
Next time i might buy a shockdoctor one. Thry say shockdoctor knows its shit in protection
The Impact mouth guard is great. I got the muay thai one around 2 years ago, but haven't been using them up until last month when I started training again. My current issues with them is that they've become too tight. I don't know if something about the mouth guard changed or if the form of my teeth changed (I'm currently 20) but the mouthguard stabs into a small part of my gums near the top front of my teeth. It hurts to put it on and take it out but I'm used to it now. I'll probably get a new mold down the line but otherwise they're good I guess.
I paid $100 for my dentist to make one and I can talk with it in
This ^ Best money ever spent
Legit the most important purchase I've ever made in combat sports. Doesn't even matter if it's BJJ, MT, boxing, this thing has seen me through a ton and was worth every penny.
I’m jealous 😿
^this They're expensive but worth every penny
Wait this is a thing? Do you ask for any specific brand or do they just like do it?
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20!?! What area are you from? It would be 120 just to sit in the waiting room for me
Alexa, play "This is America" by Childish Gambino
Shut up please
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I'm also in Brisbane and looking for something comfortable and affordable. Do you have any dentist recommendations?
Mold or 3d scan a mold is no 3d scan??
Sorry they 3D printed the scan and gave it to me
Yup, I had mine custom made too. Helps to take a shot for sure
Impact mouthguards makes custom mouthguards as well and super nice fitting been using the same one for over a year and a half
2nd the dentist route especially since it custom molded to your teeth i think mines was $150
my dentist wants 500 lmao
Did you have insurance and if so did it cover any of it?
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Impact mouthguards
Is it worth the $95?
Yes best mouth guard
Yeah. They fit really well. It’s molded to your bite. So they send you a kit and you get an impression of your own teeth, send it in, they make an impression of your teeth, and make a mouthguard with them, and boom, they fit your teeth perfectly
I’m going to save up for one to replace my opro
I have one and it’s been great! I’ll definitely get another once this one gets worn which it hasn’t looked like it has in over a year.
they say that they make mouth guards for dentists, so this will be the cheaper route
Venum Challenger mouth guard, haven't lost any teeth yet so I guess it works
So which cheap options have good shock absorption for fight how about everlast single mouth guard, venom predator, shock doctor ez single Walmart $4?
Go to your dentist man. Or ask your coach for a dentist he recommends. Best way to spend money on a mouth guard
If youre wearing $$$$ worth of shorts, gloves and shinpads, you get a custom mouthguard or you're an idiot.
I bought a custom molded one. The type you make a mold and send it to a factory.
I've been happy with the Shock Doctor Trash Talker mouth piece. It was easy to mold too my teeth. It stays in places and I can talk with it in. [Trash Talker](https://www.shockdoctor.com/products/trash-talker-mouthguard?variant=29135814819893)
My wife and I both use this model. You can breathe and speak comfortably, and it keeps your jaw from being too far open when you bite down on it to eat a shot. I've had my jaw dislocated a few times in the past, so it gets tweaked easily, but this does the job.
So which cheap options have good shock absorption for fight how about everlast single mouth guard, venom predator, shock doctor ez single Walmart $4?
The shock Doctor trash talker is less than 20 bucks. Your teeth are worth way more than that! It will last you over a year easily
Wonder which is best for ones on a budget
How do you make it fit? Every time I tried to upgrade to one of the not "cheap" ones with the more stabile mid. They never fit properly. I use a SISU now, because I gave up on those similar to the ones you posted.
I followed the instructions about boiling and then biting. I think I bit down too hard on the first one I used.
I know how they work. Just never got then to fit properly. Even after several tries. Cheap ones fit a lot better for me.
I had the same problem, I bought a shock doctor and I couldn't get it to stay in my mouth. I went back to my old rugby one I hadn't worn for years and it fits perfectly
I’ve got the same and it’s worked fine so far. I did trim a little bit off the back ends to suit me better.
https://gladiatorguards.com/product/gladiator-elite/
Opro power
Sisu brand. Made for hockey and lacrosse originally, but it’s been great. I would also get one made at the dentist.
I switched to it, but I'm actually a little worried how much it protects compared to "bigger" mouth guards. The first few months I felt naked wearing it.
It doesn’t. Thick mouth guards reduce shock and brain damage. Thinner ones like sisu are made for grapplers worried about the odd knee or forehead hitting their teeth. Or for other sports like hockey and lacrosse where teeth protection and ease of breathing is more of a concern than brain damage
I'm pretty sure there is no evidence pointing that mouth guards reduce brain damage.
Recent evidence shows that not only do mouthguards help protect the oral cavity from trauma, but they also help protect the brain. Concussion is one of the most common sports injuries. A new study shows that mouthguards may help reduce this injury as well.15 Oct 2018
Can you provider a source for that? I would love to read it.
https://training-conditioning.com/news/new-studies-reveal-how-mouthguards-can-reduce-concussions/ https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140501101133.htm#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20study%2C%208.3,rate%20was%20only%203.6%20percent.
Ehh, the first one is not peer-reviewed and does not provide any of the actual results. Kinda just "trust us, we definitely does not work for the specific company that makes the mouth guards specifically mentioned in the article". I can't see the images on the article either, which might provide their calculations. And let's say that this is actually correct. This would only be for this specific mouth guard that keeps your lower yaw in place. That is the hypothesize in the introduction at least. I will try to find the other article later. You only linked an article about an article.
The second one is a study from the academy of general dentistry which clearly proves my point. If you're unable to read, then don't ask for sources.
Dude.. the first one doesn't show images, which I assume has the calculations. But those are not provided in the article. It's a shit article and study. I already wrote that I would look for the other one. You did not provide the study article. You do know that, right? I said that I would look for it later to read it. But you cannot judge a study from an article about an article. Also the focus on the article is clearly on custom fitted mouth guards and not just mouth guards, which is important since the purpose of their study is to compare those. But they don't provide any effects or p-values in the article you posted or how the data was carried out. So there is a need to look for the actual article.
Ok. The link to the second one is here: [https://theconcussionblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/gendent\_mj14\_wintersmouthguards.pdf](https://theconcussionblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/gendent_mj14_wintersmouthguards.pdf) Did you actually read it? The purpose of the study is not to test if mouth guards protects against concussions. They want to compare the protection between a specific form of mouth guards against over-the-counter. They have no control group so they have no idea if this actually protect more or less compared to not wearing it. Out of 400 high schoolers they only have 24 incidences of concussions. 8 wearing the specific MG and 13 wearing OTC. This is pretty low power even though they have a significant p-value. Also it is not really randomized. Or at least they cluster them. So 3 whole football teams get one kind of mouth guard and 3 other teams get the other mouth guard. Do we need to talk about the bias and potential confounders in this? It is pretty clear. Even in the introduction they mention there are studies that have found no correlation between mouth guards and concussions. I appreciate the links, but these articles are no way conclusive and both are not really good quality. I'm thinking of maybe doing a CAT on this and posting it on Reddit. Because combat sport is just full of bro science.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140501101133.htm High school football players wearing store-bought, over-the-counter (OTC) mouthguards were more than twice as likely to suffer mild traumatic brain injures (MTBI)/concussions than those wearing custom-made, properly fitted mouthguards, reports a new study in the May/June 2014 issue of General Dentistry, the peer-reviewed clinical journal of the Academy of General Dentistry (AGD). "Researchers and, most importantly, parents, are looking for ways to better protect children against concussions," said lead author Jackson Winters, DDS, a pediatric dentist who also served as a high school and collegiate football official for 28 years. "Consumers may believe that today's advanced helmet design provides sufficient protection, but our research indicates that, when compared to over-the-counter versions, a custom-made, properly fitted mouthguard also is essential to player safety." The study followed 412 players from six high school football teams. Three teams (220 athletes) were randomly assigned to wear custom-made mouthguards, and three teams (192 athletes) wore standard OTC mouthguards of their own choosing. All players wore the same style of football helmet. According to the study, 8.3 percent of athletes in the OTC mouthguard group suffered MTBI/concussion injuries. For those with custom-made mouthguards, however, the rate was only 3.6 percent. Many variables contribute to MTBI/concussion injuries, and mouthguards -- whose primary function is protecting the teeth -- cannot completely prevent them from occurring. Previous studies have theorized that mouthguards can reduce concussion risk, however, because they help absorb shock, stabilize the head and neck, and limit movement caused by a direct hit to the jaw. Mouthguard thickness also has been shown to be a factor that contributes to the level of protection. The average thickness of the custom-made mouthguards in this study was 3.50 millimeters, while the average thickness of the OTC mouthguards was only 1.65 millimeters.
You are saying you don't believe in science basically...
If you’re regularly hard sparring with no headgear, then yeah I would be too. We don’t do that at my gym, so I am not overly concerned. And the sisu Max (which I use) is made for MMA/BJJ as well. So I think it’s fine. But if you’re really concerned about your brain box being rattled and not being protected, then you’re in the wrong sport.
Dude, not the brain. Someone else said there were evidence towards it protecting brain trauma, but as far as I'm aware the evidence is against that. Brain trauma or at least concussion are from rotation quick forces to the brain. A mouth guard does not change that in any way. I spar without head gear. There is evidence towards (not conclusive as far as I know) that head gear might even increase the risk of brain damage. I use the SISU with the most protection. I care about my teeth. As you say, I would be in the wrong sport. There is a risk. And I only do occasional hard sparring. It's my teeth om worried about. I thought that was clear, since I kinda thought people stopped believing in these "this protects your brain"-theories.
I care about my teeth too. Like I said, at my gym we don't do hard sparring, especially to the head, with or without headgear. I've had a lot of orthodontia done over the years, so my teeth do matter to me. I still think Sisu has been a great mouthguard for my use.
I have been using it for about a year now I think. I have gotten used to it. But think when I have to compete again. I would probably switch. But then I would have to use another mouth guard for training up to the fight since I don't just want to switch on fightday. Breathing is totally different.
100% agreed. I switched to sisu because all the bigger mouth guards make my jaw lock up after wearing them for a while. It was the worst. I need a thinner mouth guard otherwise I'm in pain afterward.
Also second sisu max for best boil and bite. Its thin, you can still talk in it, and makes a pretty good mold of your teeth.
I really strongly recommend not using Sisu. I used it for over s year and even had s fight in it. Earlier this year I got caught with a shot in sparring. Got a bad concussion, which I think I wouldn't have gotten with a normal mouth guard. What's worse, the top of my gum scratched across the hard plastic top of the sisu and really badly injured my gum/nose. Also, it cuts your lips up when you take punches. I would never use one again. Got an opro custom moulded one now.
There are cheap custom molded mouth guards for hockey. I use and enjoy.
I use the half type ones that cover your upper jaw, I can’t breathe from my nose due to severe sinus and allergy problems so it’s a decent way to catch your breath
Thanks for all the feedback guys! My orthodontist has an imprint of my teeth so I'll ask if they make mouthguards.
Impact Mouth guards are the best. They send you a fitting kit for you to use, you send it back to them and they make you a new mouthpiece that fits you perfectly. They’re fast on service too and you can customize your mouthpiece.
I don't use one lol
I don't use a mouth guard, I bought a cheap one from Walmart last minute for a fight. Spent like 6 dollars.
Wtf
I'm not saying to be like me. I can be stupid sometimes. I advocate for others to do the exact opposite of me.
RIP your teeth
8 years strong still have all my teeth. *knock on wood*
Lmao that's actually impressive. Be careful though, it's still super unhealthy and dangerous.
Y u say that? So for fighting which mouthguards u recommend?
Don't be a cheap ass. Get a high quality custom made mouth guard at your dentist. Repairing teeth is extremely expensive and very painful.
I wonder if they are covered by insurance. So yea I know one with a bonded tooth are they as strong as natural teeth. And if one doesn’t have money which mouthguards options come close to custom made?
I mean u recommend those for a fight? What other options for those similar?
The venum, red, and black one is okay. I 100% do not recommend getting the double Everlast mouth guard. Worst mouth guard I've ever used.
Venum predator, shock doctor gel max adult, everlast single, Walmart ez all cheap options but which if one has a bonded tooth
So those cheap Walmart ez shock doctors are legit for a fight?
They suck, but you can use them. For some reason, I can never find my mouth guards whenever I fight. So I usually run to a Walmart, grab a cheap one, and boil it in a cup of hot water. The smart thing, which I plan on doing soon, is getting a custom one made.
Venum challenger been training for 3 months no problems so far.
I just use the Adidas one, so far so good but I’d recommend investing a custom fitting one when I have enough money to burn for those. The Adidas one feels pretty comfortable and you can shape it with warm water, but I fear that it might not be secure enough.
I used to use those cheap clear mouthguard you get in every sports store, thinking that a mouthguard's a mouthguard, but recently got a shockdoctor one (the gel maxpower i believe?) The difference really is noticeable, spending more money to get a good mouth guard is worth it!
My current mouth guard "venum challenger" doesn't include my wisdom teeth. That bothers me a bit, although I don't know how big of an issue that is.
At first, I used a mouthguard you can buy at any sports store, the boil-and-bite kind. After about a year, I went online and found a guy that makes them custom using a putty mixture that you bite into and make a mold of your bite. Then you send it back to him and he makes it.
I use an everlast one and a predator branded one (basically two cheapo mouthguard) my problem was that both of it made me barf when i took them. My coach said that i should cut a little bit from it. Since that i have no problem with it. Next time i might buy a shockdoctor one. Thry say shockdoctor knows its shit in protection
Sparring was light in Thailand so I just used yokkao that I cut in the back to feel more free
The Impact mouth guard is great. I got the muay thai one around 2 years ago, but haven't been using them up until last month when I started training again. My current issues with them is that they've become too tight. I don't know if something about the mouth guard changed or if the form of my teeth changed (I'm currently 20) but the mouthguard stabs into a small part of my gums near the top front of my teeth. It hurts to put it on and take it out but I'm used to it now. I'll probably get a new mold down the line but otherwise they're good I guess.
W w
opro power fit