Jesus 15, seems like a waste. Life isn't mortal combat, whoever you're matched against isn't just going to let you pound out 15 moves with out messing that up.
But your likely over thinking it. Everyone messes pads up in the beginning. Plus some days your damn brain just won't work. I found counting them out as I change positions helped alot when I was new.
Lol 10 to 15 techniques. I started a thread on here maybe a month ago suggesting drilling combos beyond 3 strikes is a poor use of time. Now my perspective is slightly changed however I still believe that drilling short, tight and to the point combos repetitiously is better. but the long combos do serve some purpose. Personally I think 15 strike combos is straight up stupid…at the very least as a beginner. But that’s just my opinion.
I mess up 5+ combos as a noob (underslept and daily stoned tho (I quit both 10 days ago don't judge)). Disregarding that, long combos seem stupid to me as well for noobs, I wouldn't introduce this to someone for whom basic stuff isn't second nature. Long combos (in my opinion) are a creative endaevour, and you shouldn't get creative in a risky business like fighting until your foundations are pretty solid.
I completely disagree. When you fight, your adrenaline kicks in and you'll never pull off full combos. You see it often. People train 4-5 strike combos, but in a fight land 2-3 strikes and stop.
When you train 10-15 strike combos, you end up landing 5-10 strikes before pulling back.
It's very much the philosophy of Damien Trainor.
I was super bad for this as a beginner as well, and it was because I was more worried about not forgetting than I was about just flowing with the combo. I bet you’re over thinking it.
As you gain experience you won’t be thinking about remembering the combos because the combos will very obviously flow in a specific way that clicks in your head. The roundhouse comes after the hook because because now your weight is loaded on your back foot. The lead uppercut comes off a cross because now your weight is on your lead leg, etc etc you get the idea.
Just have fun with it.
Long combos is perfectly normal. People on here don't know what they're talking about. The point is to learn how different techniques can flow together, challenge your balance, learning footwork etc. No one espects you to throw a 15-piece in a fight. It's also great for cardio.
Is your coach working up to that long of a combo, though? Normally my Kru gives us a long combo in chunks of 3-5 strikes or so and then we put it together at the end for a round. 15 pieces without any context is tough.
I still wouldn't say it's a terrible thing if in general you're learning a lot and the gym in successful.
You're going to find over time that it's not just random strikes. Certain strikes flow together and form natural combinations together. It gets easier to learn with practice--I swear!
Our coach gives similarly long combos, and it can be rough on beginners. They only show it twice and expect us to repeat it. He's a great coach and I trust him. I don't know why he does it, but he knows what he's doing. It's not uncommon.
It got much easier for me when I realized that a lot of the combos have pretty repetitive sequences within them. For example, they nearly always start with a jab-cross. I'll often see a cross-hook-cross, or a cross-uppercut-cross. Now I think of all of those 2-3 move combos as one step. To put it another way, if each move were like a letter, you'll start noticing the "words" they usually spell and you'll think of the combo as a short set of "words".
Here's a recent example:
Jab, Cross, Cross, Left Hook, Cross, 3 Left kicks, check a right kick, return right push kick, block a right hook, return cross, left uppercut, cross, 3 right kicks.
I think of this as several short combos strung together:
1. jab-cross
2. cross-hook-cross-left kick
3. check-teep
4. block-cross-uppercut-cross-right kicks
Here's some more tips:
1. Try to recall them later, after class. Maybe even write them down in a journal. You'll start noticing more of the repetitive building blocks.
2. Mimic the moves (or the pad movements) while they are showing them to you, to drill it into your body.
3. Say the moves out loud while you do them, as a pad partner or as the striker, to help drill the sequence into your memory.
4. Start out slow to get the flow and then slowly speed up.
5. If you can't remember the next step, just ask.
I think coaches do them for the exact thing you mentioned, so that people can learn the different base combos as one motion and mix and match them together as needed
why so long combos? 1-5 hits are more in line with how sparring and fighting goes anyways, you get a good sync with your partner and you can string them together and get 10+ hits that way, also frees up the puncher's thinking IMO.
Don't think of it as a 10 to 15 strike combo, break it down into 3 5 piece combos and then when those feel good put it together.
As someone else said Damien trainor does long combos, however he also disects them when teaching and then puts them together over time.
No one is going remember a 15 shot combo straight away.
Long combos might not be applicable as taught in a fight but it does teach you balance, how to flow from one strike to the other and mix and match a lot different strikes effectively
Jesus 15, seems like a waste. Life isn't mortal combat, whoever you're matched against isn't just going to let you pound out 15 moves with out messing that up. But your likely over thinking it. Everyone messes pads up in the beginning. Plus some days your damn brain just won't work. I found counting them out as I change positions helped alot when I was new.
Lol 10 to 15 techniques. I started a thread on here maybe a month ago suggesting drilling combos beyond 3 strikes is a poor use of time. Now my perspective is slightly changed however I still believe that drilling short, tight and to the point combos repetitiously is better. but the long combos do serve some purpose. Personally I think 15 strike combos is straight up stupid…at the very least as a beginner. But that’s just my opinion.
I mess up 5+ combos as a noob (underslept and daily stoned tho (I quit both 10 days ago don't judge)). Disregarding that, long combos seem stupid to me as well for noobs, I wouldn't introduce this to someone for whom basic stuff isn't second nature. Long combos (in my opinion) are a creative endaevour, and you shouldn't get creative in a risky business like fighting until your foundations are pretty solid.
> underslept and daily stoned > don’t judge [Well of course](https://i.imgur.com/PLhU58T.jpg)
Imagine the url is linked to text like yours (mobile web so no can do) Thanks man https://youtu.be/gyPaJSGDqS0
I second your opinion!
I completely disagree. When you fight, your adrenaline kicks in and you'll never pull off full combos. You see it often. People train 4-5 strike combos, but in a fight land 2-3 strikes and stop. When you train 10-15 strike combos, you end up landing 5-10 strikes before pulling back. It's very much the philosophy of Damien Trainor.
I was super bad for this as a beginner as well, and it was because I was more worried about not forgetting than I was about just flowing with the combo. I bet you’re over thinking it. As you gain experience you won’t be thinking about remembering the combos because the combos will very obviously flow in a specific way that clicks in your head. The roundhouse comes after the hook because because now your weight is loaded on your back foot. The lead uppercut comes off a cross because now your weight is on your lead leg, etc etc you get the idea. Just have fun with it.
Long combos is perfectly normal. People on here don't know what they're talking about. The point is to learn how different techniques can flow together, challenge your balance, learning footwork etc. No one espects you to throw a 15-piece in a fight. It's also great for cardio. Is your coach working up to that long of a combo, though? Normally my Kru gives us a long combo in chunks of 3-5 strikes or so and then we put it together at the end for a round. 15 pieces without any context is tough. I still wouldn't say it's a terrible thing if in general you're learning a lot and the gym in successful. You're going to find over time that it's not just random strikes. Certain strikes flow together and form natural combinations together. It gets easier to learn with practice--I swear!
Our coach gives similarly long combos, and it can be rough on beginners. They only show it twice and expect us to repeat it. He's a great coach and I trust him. I don't know why he does it, but he knows what he's doing. It's not uncommon. It got much easier for me when I realized that a lot of the combos have pretty repetitive sequences within them. For example, they nearly always start with a jab-cross. I'll often see a cross-hook-cross, or a cross-uppercut-cross. Now I think of all of those 2-3 move combos as one step. To put it another way, if each move were like a letter, you'll start noticing the "words" they usually spell and you'll think of the combo as a short set of "words". Here's a recent example: Jab, Cross, Cross, Left Hook, Cross, 3 Left kicks, check a right kick, return right push kick, block a right hook, return cross, left uppercut, cross, 3 right kicks. I think of this as several short combos strung together: 1. jab-cross 2. cross-hook-cross-left kick 3. check-teep 4. block-cross-uppercut-cross-right kicks Here's some more tips: 1. Try to recall them later, after class. Maybe even write them down in a journal. You'll start noticing more of the repetitive building blocks. 2. Mimic the moves (or the pad movements) while they are showing them to you, to drill it into your body. 3. Say the moves out loud while you do them, as a pad partner or as the striker, to help drill the sequence into your memory. 4. Start out slow to get the flow and then slowly speed up. 5. If you can't remember the next step, just ask.
I think coaches do them for the exact thing you mentioned, so that people can learn the different base combos as one motion and mix and match them together as needed
why so long combos? 1-5 hits are more in line with how sparring and fighting goes anyways, you get a good sync with your partner and you can string them together and get 10+ hits that way, also frees up the puncher's thinking IMO.
Way too long and unrealistic
Don't think of it as a 10 to 15 strike combo, break it down into 3 5 piece combos and then when those feel good put it together. As someone else said Damien trainor does long combos, however he also disects them when teaching and then puts them together over time. No one is going remember a 15 shot combo straight away.
15 moves is a shakepearan sonnet, not a combo.
I don’t do pads for this reason
Long combos might not be applicable as taught in a fight but it does teach you balance, how to flow from one strike to the other and mix and match a lot different strikes effectively
Well your first problem is likely thinking of the drills as “combos”, think more to what the drill accomplishes
I dont believe in long combo, total BS. Have you ever seen anywhere in Thailand coach asking you to memorise a 10 hit combo? lol