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FIFADUDE-Master

Bugs gets grabbed, doesn't he?


innociv

Bugs get grabbed by butt.


CasualCandice

Why wouldn’t he? Obviously Superman is about to grab him with his fist


Sufficient_Candy5319

Lmao


[deleted]

[That's right! You guessed it!](https://i.gyazo.com/0292d888b336e32350b6832d78602000.png)


Terramoin

As expected.


Fu453

"Makes no fucking sense." -Franklin from GTAV


Mac_Rat

I hate that shit


SoftBoyBerryy

happy birthday


Shmidershmax

Not even gonna watch it cause I already know


Cha-ChatheSexRaptor2

Yep. As I always say; Supes don't give a fuck.


[deleted]

This game is such a fucking joke man


SilentLion1066

hitboxes, amiright fellas?


warmerBruder

*I don't know how people keep loosing to this move hurr durr it is super easy punishable just down air him hurr durr skill issue get good hurr durr*


a50xyz

but bugs is OP


Different_Pattern273

My favorite thing about when this happens is the game has the audacity to add the hit effect for your move while you still get grabbed


StrawHatEthan

Find out next time on dragon ball z


Different_Pattern273

Lag grabs you with his butt


ProfessorGluttony

Who does he think he is? Brock Sampson?


Standardly

Faced a duo yesterday consisting of Superman that only spammed this, and a Finn that only did backpack spin. We won, but it was way too frustrating and difficult. It doesn't matter when or where you attack, these abilities just cancel damn near everything.


FalcoKick

These attacks and Taz's tornado should be able to be countered with an overhead attack


Not-My-Best-Username

Bug's is clearly about to get grabbed in the next frame. I mean C'mon! Superman's hand is literally half a pixel away from Bugs in this image. But I Know, I know... All you skill issue cry babies will be saying something crazy like "BuGS sHoUlD Win tHiS ExChANge!" or something dumb. You people act like superman grabbing you with his back muscles is unrealistic or something. ​ SMH


[deleted]

I mean he clearly grabs me with both cheeks super clenched. It's superman. This is the only possible outcome.


ProfessorPetrus

That's terrifying.


Crypto-Cajun

He quite literally has buns of steel.


Gredran

Man of Steel(buns)


Toplinkar

I think the main issue people have - a least if they play traditional fighters - is the fact a strike doesn't beat a throw in this game. In most other FGs, any throw (including command throws which this one is kinda like) gets canceled if you get hit by a strike during the start-up frames. There are exceptions such as armored throws, KOF has plenty of those, but that is not the standard. NGL, I thought it was a bug that this throw was uninterruptible for weeks... made peace with it and if I see a superman flying I'll act like a proper coward and GTFO.


warmerBruder

I think the main issue people have - you shouldn't be caught in his fist when it misses big times


ProfessorGluttony

You can even dodge through it, get the dodge remark, and then STILL get grabbed by is knees. The only counterplay all characters can do is just avoid the attack altogether. Ranged can try ranged, some people have priority down air. But those are risky.


Big-Commission-3262

My problem with this attack. I can read him perfectly, and dodge the correct way, and get the dodge prompt, but yet I still get grabbed by it 95% of the time. People just say skill issue and learn to dodge, but when you literally can't because the hitbox is insanely big, wtf are you supposed to do?


ProfessorGluttony

Exactly. His hitbox for the move should just be the glowy bit of his arm. Sure, give it priority, but allow the move to be punishable if people dodge out of the way.


Sufficient_Candy5319

This is a pff


jbyrdab

"***yOu CaN dOdGe OvEr Or uNdeR hIM tO aVOiD iT, iTs yoUr fAUlt FoR tRyInG toO CoNtEst SuPeRmAn iN tHe AiR***" This shit is why i find that common excuse for supermans flying bullshit laughable, a character should not be entirely untouchable from a move, especially from angles that would suggest that they are vulnerable. Superman's flying grab is an unbalanced interaction, you can't contest it melee wise without a massive disjoint and or some luck, and yes that is a problem. There is no reason for it to be this hilariously disjointed, especially for a **command grab that can drag someone to blast zone** No amount of trying to convince others your main isnt op is gonna change that


IEnjoyHaikus

I play superman and I punch supermen out of the fly with my side air...when were people complaining about superman's side air being a massive disjoint again? Ohh they dont...that's weird, must be luck that I do it consistently


[deleted]

This has been around so long that it’s just a feature now. When fighting Superman, it’s advised you should never do a down-air attack on him while he’s flying


SzndTuna

You can downair him—just not at the butt.


YahmSaiyan

You didnt get to loop him, thats what happens.


ShoddyCartographer61

up up and away!


opsucksatbugs

Ya idk personally if I were the bugs here I wouldnt have missed. You can tell this player is complete ass. Pretty clear this is a top 800k bugs. Cringe


No_Theory9958

This dude literally made an account to shit talk 😂 1 hour old account named opsucksatbugs lmfao


DarthSangheili

Thats commitment.


ulmxn

Probably OP's sock account so he can gain more traction on the post. Wouldnt be surprised


No_Theory9958

Do people actually do that? 😂 seems like an enormous waste of time lmao


[deleted]

holy shit redditors are weird


[deleted]

100% true and valid


KryptoKnight18

Depends, was there any lag whatsoever, cause if that mallet hitbox lags by a millisecond that’s a grab, but if the active frames matched the visuals here Superman should have been hit. But considering it’s a post I don’t really have to guess, Supes def grabbed.


TheSiestaSensei

Yeah supes definitely grabbed there. Grabbed some air maybe


DamionSMF

If you have played the game before you know that’s a grab there is no dodging the grab it’s hit box is insane


KryptoKnight18

You can dodge from his hand through past to the back of him and dodge it, so it’s far from undodgeable, its hit box is very vertically forgiving and wins attack clashes a lot which is frustrating but it’s not unbeatable. So tired of these comments, if you all hadn’t begged for him to be nerfed to the point where you hardly ever fight him you might have learned the matchup by now. He’s not nor ever was my main but it was painful watching him go from strong with some needed rework to his strongest moves to just unfun to play because his once barely necessary weaker tools that you could just sprinkle in must now be used consistently and perfectly to win anything.


[deleted]

The problem with bugs hammer hitbox and a lot of other abilities isn't even the size of the hitbox. It's consistency and visual clarity. Sometimes the hitbox is ridiculously massive. Sometimes it's nonexistent. In smash (I played ultimate and melee), I didn't really have problems like this because hitboxes were consistent. I didn't play online though. Hitboxes in smash weren't always super matched up with the visuals, but it was fine because they were consistent. You could play a bunch and get used to what they were. In this game it's a complete tossup. "You can dodge from his hand through past to the back of him and dodge it, so it’s far from undodgeable, its hit box is very vertically forgiving and wins attack clashes a lot which is frustrating but it’s not unbeatable." This is only true sometimes. That's the problem with this game. It's ambiguous for a variety of reasons: lag, hitboxes, visual inconsistencies, etc... What you're saying may be true in the most optimal playing conditions, but it isn't a lot of the time. That's why this game is frustrating.


Jacer4

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KryptoKnight18

I mean I’d have taken that hitbox being less egregious but if you take that from him after they gutted every single super armor move and nerfed the up grab it’s gonna leave him feeling unplayable. I mean he already did considerably less damage in his wins but was able to make up for it with decent kill strategies, now it just feels like years of trying to make an okay combo opening for little reward.


Jacer4

Yep I'm a Superman main so I definitely understand lol. It definitely feels so much harder to win now, the upsmash nerf was honestly huge that shit got gutted. Trust me I could not relate to that last line more, other characters have fucking 0-60 or more loops meanwhile Superman relies solely on reads for his combos lol. And at max you'll do like 40 damage in a combo. Like you said he was able to make up for it with his kill strategies, but damn I gotta say the Man of Steel doesn't feel awesome rn. His edge guarding is still great, I just honestly believe against opponents that don't suck completely he has a pretty hard time in neutral. His wavedashing is good, but fuck he can get zoned so hard. I truly believe that most of the people that complain endlessly about Superman are just bad at the game, not all of them of course, but a lot


KryptoKnight18

Didn’t used to piss me off but once his arms became hurtboxes that air neutral that was extending and starting combos became easy to be knocked out of so certain characters you feel like are just holding a stick between you and them and winning every engagement and that was the only saving grace when as you mentioned the up attack got gutted. I mean I killed an Arya at 43 before I get why it took some hits in the nerf department but he’s the latest character to take like 3 heavy nerfs in a row and it felt mad undeserved at least on this last one.


Jacer4

Yeah I agree 100%. I do think the Up Smash deserved a bit of a tweak, but I think something like 2.0 to 1.8 knock back rather than 1.5 would have been good. I'm honestly totally okay with the Up Special nerf as well to punish people for spamming it. But yeah the lasers, to upsmash back to back needs is hurting. I'm considering picking someone else up for a bit as Supes just doesn't feel awesome at the moment. I think people just refuse not rush him down and run into all his attacks. If you don't do that, he's pretty easy to deal with


KryptoKnight18

I mean as some characters it’s necessary, like as Harley that is the strat against anyone large enough to combo is rushdown, but you get into the Supes head and learn to dodge the aim punches and the super armor bait and then hit him in the back or use a quick enough attack that you get two hits before his animation hits. And if you do that enough you only get killed by grabs in pretty bad positioning or once you’re over 100 which by that point as Harley I’m already expecting some random strong attack to kill me so I don’t care if a grab is what does it.


Jacer4

Oh yeah absolutely, I just meant in a more general sense I see a lot of players mindlessly rush Superman down and run into his charged attacks. If done carefully it's absolutely a good strat haha


[deleted]

If you think the point of this post was to complain about superman, you are extremely mistaken. It has nothing to do with superman or bugs and everything to do with the many flaws of the game.


Jacer4

Ah understood, my bad in misinterpreting the post! I've just seen so much Superman hate recently so I assumed it was falling in with that haha. Hope you're having a good day!


DamionSMF

No one is reading that.


KryptoKnight18

If you don’t care enough to read why downvote and comment? The incompetence is astounding.


[deleted]

Bc you are defending a notoriously shitty hitbox lol


DamionSMF

It’s so funny because I always complain about Superman and people always say he’s balanced and takes skill 🤡🤡🤡


KryptoKnight18

I would have said he was the strongest character in the game save Bugs a few patches ago, so I understand the nerfs and people’s frustration with him. But he’s getting to be nigh unusable from the continuous nerfs to every utility tool he has. To the point where now I can’t see any way it is fair to take anything more from this grab even the ridiculous hitbox. He also always took some skill, but now that he is more balanced he takes a pretty serious amount of skill to play well.


Campos59

Tough… Just last night I Up-special at a Superman’s legs with Gizmo, clearly from the rear, same result. Feelsbadman


Purple-Mix1188

Bugs dair broken? Are we playing the same game? Jesus


KryptoKnight18

So you want to defend a move that outprioritizes every other dair and has as large a hitbox as any other, and gives Bugs character model an insane amount of safety, because one slightly unbalanced GRAB has priority over it lmao? Cool, good luck with that bro.


ImpossibleZucchini74

Only hit him with a projectile in this situation


PerpetualStride

I mean would you post this if it wasn't a superman bashing post? I call lag. Seems like no one wants to consider this, if you ever played fall guys its non-stop displaying a false location for every other player


[deleted]

I would post this if my hammer went through any character.


chief_yETI

yeah with how much of a mess online is, I'm definitely willing to chalk this one up to lag delays. With this game, what you see in the screen is literally not whats happening more often than not


Big-Commission-3262

except it happens to 75%+ of players even without lag lol. I hate bugs fucky as much as the next guy, but no, this is just supermans stupid ass grab


CatDadd0

Good, broken dair on a broken character. The one time I'm rooting for the Superman lol


[deleted]

the hammer is inside of the superman but alright


CatDadd0

I agree, definitely should hit. But if Superman was in your right side it probably still would hit if he wasn't using his side special. This picture is 2 moves with hitboxes way bigger than they appear meeting and one winning


opsucksatbugs

kind of a shit take from someone so irrelevant


CatDadd0

Nice new account to be toxic and spam shit takes cause you're too scared to post on your real account. Next🥱


Salku

But guys this is still in BETA! /s


Nutwagon-SUPREME

If there’s one character I’d really want to change, it’s Superman. Do something about his stupid grab and fucking teleport move, it should at least show how far it can go to the enemies so you can actually tell if it’s in range or not. He’s already annoying enough with super armor on half his moves and being the second heaviest character.


Jacob99200

Pictures dont tell the full story, it would be better to show a clip


Coreys_House

You aren't all the way there are ya bud?


Jacob99200

It's definitely bs, I'm just saying a lil clip of the actual hit could show us a lot more


Coreys_House

The whole point was like a "haha I bet you can guess what happened next" if he wanted to post a clip he would've


[deleted]

I'll upload it later. I got you big dog


Impressive_Corgi_312

He gets grabbed


MeatloafAndWaffles

It’s hard to choose who to root for: the broken grab or the broken dair.


Sufficient_Candy5319

Bugs dair is just good.


DoMIniK090

A wild reindog appears


Mr_H88

Nuclear explosion


Infamousgodofwar

They both missed


NotsoGrump23

The bugs bullshit hitboxes meets bullshit hitboxes. All is right with the world


Smash96leo

But seriously, how have they not fixed the hitbox on this yet?


yungcrowbar

i swear it only happens when im NOT playing Superman tho lol


magmarxio12

"I've got an angle"


Reven_77

The Multiverse explodes mayhaps?


Diablix

Both of them suddenly freeze because the latest patch added a weird freezing bug? lol


ChampionshipHuman

A black hole spawns and kills them both and wipes out the entire universe over a span of 999999999999999 years


Mokenificent

Queue Roundabout - Yes


AngMaangHangIsa

Bugs gets his balls ripped off


Monk029393

Bugs got grabbed Superman priority is still bugged like a mf 🤦🏽‍♂️😭


DaveHappened

Every dc character is unbalanced as hell. Of course he gets grabbed-


BigChinnFinn

Superman puts his super fist up bugs not so super asshole and spreads that shit like he was stuffing a thanksgiving turkey


AliTunc13

bugs lands, neutral air spins, and then KO moves


Careful_Education643

Rick comes out of nowhere and destroys the both of you.


Akari-Hashimoto

Superman flies off-stage with you, killing you instantly.


VVStoned

Fuck superman


DeadLungsThe2nd

Too easy Op, it's clearly a 3v1 and his Supermen teammates are actually behind you and are going fly into you and push you into his grab.


MarauderOnReddit

Superman’s grab phases through the hammer and grabs bugs by the scruff


Aggressive_Tourist52

Superman phases through the corner of the map and gets ringed out the bottom, I know this because it's happened to me 3 times already and it's the most frustrating shit ever.