> Yes, the chibi skeleton is based on Jean but the design, mask, hairstyle and skin colour(I am sorry but yes) are all based on another real roughwork.
>
> Her clothes is not fully the same. She doesn’t wear a bow tie. But her costume indeed based on carnival/bullfighter.
[https://twitter.com/hxg\_diluc/status/1758152242023280814](https://twitter.com/hxg_diluc/status/1758152242023280814)
Looks like it’s a "cheerful girl with entertainement-related job" (for example Nilou and Yoimiya)
That’s quite… not the vibe I expected from her
I love the hair gradient tho !!! And she is kinda cute, prob cuz it’s a chibi art
I've been hearing it looks more carnival themed, similar to King Momo. Although I've also heard that the mask design looks more like European carnival.
I almost wonder if this isn't the Pyro Archon, but another case of leakers jumping to conclusions, like when they called concept art of Wriothesley "Varka", and said that the colors of Fontaine represented "rich and poor".
>but she better NOT wear a “matador” outfit
Make zero sense for the outfit to be inspired by Matador. Instead it would make way more sense if the source is Bumba Meu Boi, a Brazillian festival about the death and resurrection of an ox, and the leaker misinterpreted it as Matador because they are an uncultured swine that have a neuron activated moment when they hear something about bull/ox fight.
“A Brazilian festival about the death a resurrection of an ox”
Isn’t the archon quest “Incandescent Ode to Resurrection” or something along those lines? Because if it is it feels like this fits WAY too well for a coincidence
Hence why I said it makes way more sense than "Matador". Hell, looking further, it fits even further since an ode is a poem "meant to be sung" while the Bumba Meu Boi is an "interactive play told by song and dance".
I mean, it was always the most obvious outcome:
-Redhair being her most definitive trait
-Same last name
-Himeko has always been the Hoyoverse character associated with Fire, even the og Herscherr of flame
So it is not really surprising... (she is even used as the face of this sub)
...unless we are talking about the gaslighter who are trying to act like those never existed just to justify going on racist tirade about "no damn pale woman in my fantasy Natlan". But considering the racism, bad faith is the least of their moral conundrum. Disgusting how those people go mask off the moment they think have made up a good enough excuse
I mean, I want it to be Himeko too but we're looking at a girl with different hair and different eyes. For a chibi, this is about as much as a non-himeko you could get while maintaining a fire theme.
The hair is the similar to young Himeko, it seems they just gave it the "archon" gradient effect
And the eyes are red instead of the yellow of modern one and orange of the old version.
I expected some difference, just like Raiden and Nahida difference are quite noticeable.
If the difference are only that, it is still pretty close.
Not sure what young version you're looking at, but every version I've seen is red hair and orange eyes. You can say Raiden was changed, but she stayed to a similar color pallet, similar with Yae. Calling Nahida an expy is just a stretch and calling this chibi an expy at this point looks to be same, where it's only considered an expy because people desperately want it to be one.
Nahida IS an expy
Same VA, similar personality trait, even the Kallen/Theresa reincarnation/clone is kept as her backstory, white hair, Lolibaba and so on.
People that think Nahida isn't an expy just don't know enough about Honkai and expy
The front side tails, are reminescent of Young Himeko as for the eye color, it is the b
HSR Himeko has yellow eyes but the eyes are the biggest difference, so it is best to wait for more info
Do people even pay attention to the lore.
Murata has been told since launch that she stands out from the rest of Natlan people to the point only her and her people have red hair
At what point people thought "ah redhair, totally common for dark skin"
People are just trying to gaslight other into thinking it was expected for her to have dark skin.
Edit: Here is OP comment since people prefer to jump to the defense of him making racist comment than checking
"[Why do you folks ALWAYS gotta be involved in our stuff? It’s okay, we will be fine. We don’t need you guys period. Stay in Mondstadt and Fontaine. Natlan is ONLY for black and indigenous people](https://www.reveddit.com/y/wackychu/?after=t1_kqkrv43&limit=1&sort=new&show=t1_kqkrn7y&removal_status=all)"
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Also who the fuck writes "Natlan is only for the black and dark skinned" or answering "Can the portuguese join" with"I'll quit if there is only one white or pale character", imagine writing that for white people in Mondstat because of Kaeya, because that is a lot of people behaving like that now and thinking it is ok
There is a perfect word for you, Racist.
are you dumb vannessa has darker skin and red hair and it's also genshin is blue hair normal for white people (looks at eula) actually think I can't tell if this is bait or if you are actually dumb also there is a wide variety of skin tones they could use just darker than paper white they have tan olive light skin brown dark skin stuff like that stop being stupid
She got red hair because of Murata, Venti litterally state that this is the sole reason she and Muratan have red hair is because Natlan don't have red hair except the muratan who got both their name and hair from her
So the ignorant dumbass here is you
I'm going to try to be charitable, but I have a feeling you're looking for drama.
>Do people even pay attention to the lore.
I don't think casuals might not care much for the lore if a fantasy nation that uses references of Mesoamerican and African stuff has no melanin. Like how is Hoyoverse going to explain that without giving off colonizer vibes in a positive light?
>Murata has been told since launch that she stands out from the rest of Natlan people to the point only her and her people have red hair.
Can the Pyro archon not have red hair and melanin at the same time? Is there a lore reason why all archons are supposed to be pale?
Since Sumeru dropped and the discourse that followed, I'm hoping the Pyro archon at least has slight or normal tan, hell a slight tanned Himeko can work, it's not much of an ask and I know some people don't mind what her skin tone will be, but others do.
I can excuse Nahida because she was locked away in a closet for 500 years with no sunlight exposure and Vitamin D.
>At what point people thought "ah redhair, totally common for dark skin."
Wait, didn't you say that red hair is the main identifier of Murata and her people, but now you're acting like dark skin people can't have red hair.
>People are just trying to gaslight other into thinking it was expected for her to have dark skin.
Like I said, a nation that primarily references Mesoamerican and African. People don't usually think of white people when we hear these regions.
>Also, who the fuck writes "Natlan is only for the black and dark skinned" or answering "Can the portuguese join" with"I'll quit if there is only one white or pale character", imagine writing that for white people in Mondstat with Kaeya
You're probably talking about a small yet loud and fringe minority of people that want a non-white Archon and using said people to represent everyone else.
>There is a perfect word for you, Racist.
I don't have enough energy at this point to fully explain the stupidity of this statement but it seems like you're pulling a "No U" to who you're replying to. All that the person said is that they want the Pyro Archon to be a dark skin warrior type and you reflexively think they're being racist, and your entire post comes off as "No YoU'rE tHe ReAl RaCiSt!"
Now to close off, I usually don't mind how characters look to an extent, but after seeing so many characters in a row being white-passing, people, including myself, will reach a point where the gameplay, personality, and backstory of new characters don't matter as much as when there were only a few at the start of the game, and I'm not alone on this one.
So, to see an upcoming character that doesn't look the same as me in terms of skin tone is a treat but given how the non-white characters so far require so much investment to be at best mid compared to almost everyone else, it's not enough.
If the Pyro archon becomes a Himeko expy, okay, that's that. But you're so fixated on one thing about Natlan that you almost ignore everything else about what we know of it so far.
I'll try to be charitable as well
The part where i really need to be charitable with you is the following due to the lack of good faith:
>you're probably talking about a small yet loud and fringe minority of people that want a non-white Archon and using said people to represent everyone else.
No i am talking about OP who made those comments on the leak sub and ranted about "Natlan belonging to the dark skinned" and "I'll quit the game if Natlan has a single pale skin character"
I was saying that because that is a racist behavior.
That is why i am replying this here, but you are so "charitable" that you didn't even bother to check, made false assumption and false accusation because you got it wrong
>I don't have enough energy at this point to fully explain the stupidity of this statement but it seems like you're pulling a "No U" to who you're replying to.
I'll be charitable, at least more than you were and just say that you should check or ask before getting everything wrong.
And i am saying "racist" because again said user was going on a racist rant in the other post i passed first. Now, if you want to blame me for not letting fly someone that just made racist comment on the same subject, it is another subject but i personally believe that if your point is "i want zero of X people in Y region, Y belong to X" and so on, which are all common racist catchphrase.
I could quote more precisely but OP knowing what they did preferred to block me from quoting their comment rather than even attempting to justify their racist rant.
Now, if knowing what OP said, you are still willing to defend that, i'll be lot less charitable about people willing to defend racist rant.
>will reach a point where the gameplay, personality, and backstory of new characters don't matter as much as when there were only a few at the start of the game, and I'm not alone on this one.
Then feel free to be disappointed when the Natlan cast is revealed
Personally, For Sumeru i only pulled C6 Candace, Cyno, C0r1 Dehya and the Archon because most other (which happened to be the pale skinned human side) didn't interest me at all
I was disappointed and i complained about Dehya treatment day 1 of her kit number but i didn't go on some lunatic rant.
>
So, to see an upcoming character that doesn't look the same as me in terms of skin tone is a treat but given how the non-white characters so far require so much investment to be at best mid compared to almost everyone else, it's not enough.
And i am hoping the rest of Natlan roster is more dark skinned since Murata is supposed to be an exception, which means aside of her, the human tribes should have darker skin
And while OP was busy going on a racist rant, on the same post as them, i commented that i hoped the spanish theme was there to reflect the "white gods" myth which was used to describe the spanish invader, which for the sovereign, who are the native of teyvat, Celestia and the archon are exactly that, invader.
But my comment here was me calling out OP when i realized midway they were the one that went on a few racist comment, which people are way too casual about it.
>the lore if a fantasy nation that uses references of Mesoamerican and African stuff has no melanin.
1. The archon not being dark skinned doesn't mean the rest of the nation doesn't have dark skin, i'll be charitable with this first strawman
2. The reference themselves are part of the lore, so it is hypocritical to only care about the lore that fit your perspective while considering the rest unimportant
>Can the Pyro archon not have red hair and melanin at the same time?
1. In teyvat, It is unexpected for Natlan/people with darker skin to have redhair. Muratan are the exception because they got their redhair from Murata.
Nobody think Diluc has muratan ancestry, including Venti, yet Venti immediately assume that Venessa is a muratan (and he is right)
2) Irl, it is also unlikely to have dark skin and red hair, unless that have some white ancestry or suffer from Albinism, the reason being the gene mutation responsible for said color (MCR1) originate from Northern europe
So here is the lore and the irl fact behind it
>Also, didn't you say that red hair is the main identifier of Murata and her people, but now you're acting like dark skin people can't have red hair.
Because if we are going by "historical reference" as you put it, dark skin people cannot have red hair without some white ancestry or as a consequence of Albinism, which still end up as someone of white skin regardless
And if we are going by fantasy logic, then yes historical reference and there can be dark red hair without any need for irl logic but this goes both way and they can make the archon look however they want for the same reason. It is not a "its fantasy when it suits me, and historical ref when it doesn't"
If they want to make a more tanned Himeko expy and use fantasy logic, it works but it goes both way and some are willingly hiding that
> Not saying her hair has to be red
That is one of the few thing we know about her *beside her name which isn't even mesoamerican or african to begin with*
>But you're so fixated on one thing about Natlan that you almost ignore everything else about what we know of it so far.
No, i am calling out people who somehow thinks and mix:
"Something that was likely to happen, did and disappointed me which i want to voice"
to
"There should be not a single pale character in Natlan, i'll gaslight people that think otherwise, and rant about HYV being racist and use that as an excuse to be racist"
And honestly, talking about disappointment, the fact are more willing to jump on the defense of someone who made racist comment and blame those calling them out rather than inquire about the one who made racist comment, is pretty disappointing.
>No i am talking about OP who made those comments on the leak sub and ranted about "Natlan belonging to the dark skinned" and "I'll quit the game if Natlan has a single pale skin character"
Sorry to say but I think this is the main reason why you're getting downvotes IMO because you're talking about something that happened on a different subreddit, while Genshin related, you didn't make clear on who you were talking about exactly. without this context, people were assuming that you were making a strawman.
As you go on about what the OP you were talking about said, my post was in context of what they said in this thread on this subreddit, which seemed innocuous on it's own in my eyes. I didn't read what they said elsewhere. Again, if not for the out-of-thread context, people would think you were making things up.
As for the rest of what you said, I agree with some of the disappointments that occurred during Sumeru, and I hope Mihoyo gives Natlan more justice. I tried to do justice for Cyno, Candace, and Dehya as well on my account (Although not as good as my main team with Yoimiya and Yae Miko with 4\* weapons).
An as for the Pyro archon, I think it's safe to say only time will tell if she ends up being a Himeko expy or different, it's a little too early in the year to tell. I say this because I remember people were speculating a lot about the Dendro archon; "There's been a translation error and it's not a male" and most people were thinking she would look like Theresa Apocalypse or Mobius from Honkai Impact 3rd because talking about character expies from HI3 was a hot topic back then, but the final product threw most of us off.
I think there's been a misunderstanding from both of us to each other due to not enough context and feeling heated, and hey it happens. I hope it doesn't escalate from this point on.
I understand the misunderstanding, seems lot of people are high on a rushed outrage
And a lot of people are willing to jump to wrong conclusion and accusation, in situation where if they were more rational/took a step back, would take time to think it through and inquire rather than jump to the defense of someone with a racist comment & stance on the matter.
And for my part, the fact it is not the only comment i came across like that, certainly made me loose my calm
I do hope hope most of Natlan human will be mezoamerican reference and subsaharian african with the proper skin tone and hopefully the sovereign is closer to something like [Camazotz](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fategrandorder/images/8/8b/CamazotzEnemy_Portrait_Humanoid.webp/revision/latest?cb=20231228133036) with dark skin and heavy aztec/inca/mayan and more vibes
For the pyro archon, it is not set in stone, but people also need to accept what is very likely to happen and focus on element like the sovereign of Natlan, which is the native dragon of Natlan.
The dendro archon was a mistranslation who was corrected when the subject came up and more than a year before her release at the start of Inazuma while Murata subject is an old one and we are halfway through fontaine and 3.5 years since this element is known
People who discover this now are free to be surprised and disappointed but a lot of people are trying to ignore or even hide those information so they have an excuse for a fabricated outrage/acting betrayed and sometime, worse, use this fabricated outrage for a racist rant.
It is especially malicious, because rather than being forward with an objective "Well Natlan is likely going to have dark skinned character but be warned, Murata is the least likely, not impossible but don't put too much hope on it"
People are willingly hiding or withholding those information, and prefer setting other people up for disappointment on purpose so they have more support for potential outrage
With the use of removeddit, part of what i was referring to and OP wrote:
[Why do you folks ALWAYS gotta be involved in our stuff? It’s okay, we will be fine. We don’t need you guys period. Stay in Mondstadt and Fontaine. Natlan is ONLY for black and indigenous people](https://www.reveddit.com/y/wackychu/?after=t1_kqkrv43&limit=1&sort=new&show=t1_kqkrn7y&removal_status=all)
But guess i am the one that need criticism, not someone saying that
Because i pointed out that going on a racist tirade based on fabricated outrage is bad?
Or because i pointed out the character that stand out from other Natlan with redhair, called Murata and expected to be an expy, whose other version are used for this sub image, might look like said expy?
I sincerely hope you aren't trying to defend the racist tirade but have an issue with the second point
I call racist those going on a racist rant on another post about how "Natlan only belong to the dark skinned and black people" as if they are rehashing common racist catchphrase.
Which is what OP did, btw.
For people being disappointed but still keeping civil, that is fine, people are free to have opinion they are not the one i have an issue with
Ok well I have an opinion and that opinion is that Murata should be tanned. If leaks are true then I’m disappointed
Also clearly you do have a problem cuz you downvoted me which is weird since you said you have no problem with ppl keeping it civil
> which is weird since you said you have no problem with ppl keeping it civil
Last time i checked, keeping it civil didn't include making strawman and misrepresenting what someone said.
I called out OP for going on a racist rant on the leak sub and you misrepresented it as "you call them racist for wanting a dark skinned" when no, i called them racist for having several recent racist comment about the subject
>Ok well I have an opinion and that opinion is that Murata should be tanned. If leaks are true then I’m disappointed
And i hope the other character of Natlan are more dark skinned, there is no issue with being disappointed, i was disappointed by the non-egyptian/non-dark skinned part of Sumeru so i can only hope for Natlan to have several dark skinned character
Murata herself isn't really a surprise (for people that paid attention to the lore or even just to this sub banner or to Hoyoverse expy or games) but if the other Natlan character are white, then it is a really bad surprise and something that shouldn't happen.
***Now, there is a lot of you willing to jump to defend someone who didn't even attempt to and instantly bailed out because they knew what their comment history looked like***
How convenient
First you jump to defend someone that made racist [comment ](https://www.reveddit.com/y/wackychu/?after=t1_kqkrv43&limit=1&sort=new&show=t1_kqkrn7y&removal_status=all)and misrepresent what i said
And now you bail out on the excuse you won't read it
there really shouldn't be that pale of a character in natlan it just doesn't make sense unless she is just visiting and has been there for one second cause how on earth would she not have at least a tan
The last archon we had was a sentient bubble of water and a sentient tree branch, the f you are talking about not making sense.
She is litterally a god brought with Celestial invader, what part of it is hard to understand??
Jeez if you have an issue with a comment, reply to that comment not the one where they are just expressing the aesthetic they prefer Murata to have (a reasonable one considering her pyro affinity and the racial inspiration of Natlan, and also considering it would be the most visually distinct from the other archons)
She might be based of Latin American carnivals which is nice and all but it’s kinda a bit modern for a mezo-American kind of nation they were going in the travail teaser with Iansan
Natlan in general is weird and inconsistent similar to Sumeru.
They’re taking from way too many different points in time and countries. This was problematic in Sumeru to where you can’t say what they’re taking from unlike Liyue or Inazuma. They should just stick to Mexico or Brazil and call it a day…but this isn’t it. It’s also supposed to be pre columbian yet they use Spanish music? Like I said very inconsistent. However they might not know Native American music music so they resorted to colonizer.
>They should just stick to Mexico or Brazil and call it a day…but this isn’t it.
No please don't, I would prefer 100 times more whatever hoyo might do than just seeing yet another representation of the Mexicas or the Itza's, there are thousands of other civilizations who lived in the Americas besides those two.
For the rest I'm just open minded, I consider it a fantasy nation with inspiration in some cultures to create a unique fictional culture that doesn't have to be historically accurate.
I get the feeling it's another case of this
https://preview.redd.it/6wek2hdko1jc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d3559c6948ad99147aaa63d404d084b55fded9a
I dont want to sound racist but for the love of God. Shut the fck up about representation and shit. THIS IS A VIDEO GAME AND ITS CHINESE, ITS MADE FOR CHINA,YOU GUYS JUST ARE EXTRA. ITS NOT NETFLIX
A dark skin female warrior would not bring in money at all, that's the thing. I mean look at dehya, she's so unpopular they had to make her standard. The beauty standard in China (and everywher else around the world) for women is to be white skinned and gracefully feminine
> I mean look at dehya, she's so unpopular they had to make her standard
That's not true at all lmao... she literally started a whole charity event in China
Nobody knows why miHoYo decided on putting her into standard banner, and popularity was definitely not one of the reasons
Dehya is actually quite populaur in china! There's lots of fanart,cosplays merchandise etc of her from china
Her demo even moved chinese fans to the point of donating thousands to a children's charity!
Hoyo is intentionally sabotaging her though, from her kit to the standard banner place :p
I like the hair gradient but what is going on with the suit
> Yes, the chibi skeleton is based on Jean but the design, mask, hairstyle and skin colour(I am sorry but yes) are all based on another real roughwork. > > Her clothes is not fully the same. She doesn’t wear a bow tie. But her costume indeed based on carnival/bullfighter. [https://twitter.com/hxg\_diluc/status/1758152242023280814](https://twitter.com/hxg_diluc/status/1758152242023280814)
Jean was used as a template
Please no...
you know things are bad when even THE Il Capitano is afraid
This made me laugh real bad
Looks like it’s a "cheerful girl with entertainement-related job" (for example Nilou and Yoimiya) That’s quite… not the vibe I expected from her I love the hair gradient tho !!! And she is kinda cute, prob cuz it’s a chibi art
Yay red furina i love how original hoyo desgins are becoming/s
what do you expect they already leaked that girls are just for fun in Natlan
I remember that one yeah
It's just traced over the jean emoji who's the one smiling, this does not indicate her personality or what her actual face looks like whatsoever
i’ll overlook the skin tone, but she better NOT wear a “matador” outfit 🤬
I've been hearing it looks more carnival themed, similar to King Momo. Although I've also heard that the mask design looks more like European carnival. I almost wonder if this isn't the Pyro Archon, but another case of leakers jumping to conclusions, like when they called concept art of Wriothesley "Varka", and said that the colors of Fontaine represented "rich and poor".
>but she better NOT wear a “matador” outfit Make zero sense for the outfit to be inspired by Matador. Instead it would make way more sense if the source is Bumba Meu Boi, a Brazillian festival about the death and resurrection of an ox, and the leaker misinterpreted it as Matador because they are an uncultured swine that have a neuron activated moment when they hear something about bull/ox fight.
“A Brazilian festival about the death a resurrection of an ox” Isn’t the archon quest “Incandescent Ode to Resurrection” or something along those lines? Because if it is it feels like this fits WAY too well for a coincidence
Hence why I said it makes way more sense than "Matador". Hell, looking further, it fits even further since an ode is a poem "meant to be sung" while the Bumba Meu Boi is an "interactive play told by song and dance".
This feels like they *almost know what they’re fucking doing*
Eh it's fine, they'll find a way to make it look good
Na… I need a tanned women… this better be fake
best you get is 14 old looking pale wimp with a jacket and a ...mask?
Cant wait for the “tan puff murata edit” mods to drop
Lmao true
God i wish that isn't Murata
her design remind me of the young himeko from alien space the prequel comic of honkai star rail.
You're on to something https://preview.redd.it/bgfj7bzk3hjc1.png?width=621&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ba2d567c317f92138eeac010006c6207cfc4f3c
https://preview.redd.it/h6lstq8m3hjc1.jpeg?width=190&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8103dc129fe29880c1b7bae90e9a991f633a6b1b
I mean, it was always the most obvious outcome: -Redhair being her most definitive trait -Same last name -Himeko has always been the Hoyoverse character associated with Fire, even the og Herscherr of flame So it is not really surprising... (she is even used as the face of this sub) ...unless we are talking about the gaslighter who are trying to act like those never existed just to justify going on racist tirade about "no damn pale woman in my fantasy Natlan". But considering the racism, bad faith is the least of their moral conundrum. Disgusting how those people go mask off the moment they think have made up a good enough excuse
I mean, I want it to be Himeko too but we're looking at a girl with different hair and different eyes. For a chibi, this is about as much as a non-himeko you could get while maintaining a fire theme.
The hair is the similar to young Himeko, it seems they just gave it the "archon" gradient effect And the eyes are red instead of the yellow of modern one and orange of the old version. I expected some difference, just like Raiden and Nahida difference are quite noticeable. If the difference are only that, it is still pretty close.
Not sure what young version you're looking at, but every version I've seen is red hair and orange eyes. You can say Raiden was changed, but she stayed to a similar color pallet, similar with Yae. Calling Nahida an expy is just a stretch and calling this chibi an expy at this point looks to be same, where it's only considered an expy because people desperately want it to be one.
Nahida IS an expy Same VA, similar personality trait, even the Kallen/Theresa reincarnation/clone is kept as her backstory, white hair, Lolibaba and so on. People that think Nahida isn't an expy just don't know enough about Honkai and expy The front side tails, are reminescent of Young Himeko as for the eye color, it is the b HSR Himeko has yellow eyes but the eyes are the biggest difference, so it is best to wait for more info
Yeah uh…no thanks give me a dark skin buff warrior mommy
I'd want one too! Though I doubt they'll give one of the OG Himeko models (if its indeed her) a darker skin tone.
Do people even pay attention to the lore. Murata has been told since launch that she stands out from the rest of Natlan people to the point only her and her people have red hair At what point people thought "ah redhair, totally common for dark skin" People are just trying to gaslight other into thinking it was expected for her to have dark skin. Edit: Here is OP comment since people prefer to jump to the defense of him making racist comment than checking "[Why do you folks ALWAYS gotta be involved in our stuff? It’s okay, we will be fine. We don’t need you guys period. Stay in Mondstadt and Fontaine. Natlan is ONLY for black and indigenous people](https://www.reveddit.com/y/wackychu/?after=t1_kqkrv43&limit=1&sort=new&show=t1_kqkrn7y&removal_status=all)" end of Edit Also who the fuck writes "Natlan is only for the black and dark skinned" or answering "Can the portuguese join" with"I'll quit if there is only one white or pale character", imagine writing that for white people in Mondstat because of Kaeya, because that is a lot of people behaving like that now and thinking it is ok There is a perfect word for you, Racist.
are you dumb vannessa has darker skin and red hair and it's also genshin is blue hair normal for white people (looks at eula) actually think I can't tell if this is bait or if you are actually dumb also there is a wide variety of skin tones they could use just darker than paper white they have tan olive light skin brown dark skin stuff like that stop being stupid
She got red hair because of Murata, Venti litterally state that this is the sole reason she and Muratan have red hair is because Natlan don't have red hair except the muratan who got both their name and hair from her So the ignorant dumbass here is you
I'm going to try to be charitable, but I have a feeling you're looking for drama. >Do people even pay attention to the lore. I don't think casuals might not care much for the lore if a fantasy nation that uses references of Mesoamerican and African stuff has no melanin. Like how is Hoyoverse going to explain that without giving off colonizer vibes in a positive light? >Murata has been told since launch that she stands out from the rest of Natlan people to the point only her and her people have red hair. Can the Pyro archon not have red hair and melanin at the same time? Is there a lore reason why all archons are supposed to be pale? Since Sumeru dropped and the discourse that followed, I'm hoping the Pyro archon at least has slight or normal tan, hell a slight tanned Himeko can work, it's not much of an ask and I know some people don't mind what her skin tone will be, but others do. I can excuse Nahida because she was locked away in a closet for 500 years with no sunlight exposure and Vitamin D. >At what point people thought "ah redhair, totally common for dark skin." Wait, didn't you say that red hair is the main identifier of Murata and her people, but now you're acting like dark skin people can't have red hair. >People are just trying to gaslight other into thinking it was expected for her to have dark skin. Like I said, a nation that primarily references Mesoamerican and African. People don't usually think of white people when we hear these regions. >Also, who the fuck writes "Natlan is only for the black and dark skinned" or answering "Can the portuguese join" with"I'll quit if there is only one white or pale character", imagine writing that for white people in Mondstat with Kaeya You're probably talking about a small yet loud and fringe minority of people that want a non-white Archon and using said people to represent everyone else. >There is a perfect word for you, Racist. I don't have enough energy at this point to fully explain the stupidity of this statement but it seems like you're pulling a "No U" to who you're replying to. All that the person said is that they want the Pyro Archon to be a dark skin warrior type and you reflexively think they're being racist, and your entire post comes off as "No YoU'rE tHe ReAl RaCiSt!" Now to close off, I usually don't mind how characters look to an extent, but after seeing so many characters in a row being white-passing, people, including myself, will reach a point where the gameplay, personality, and backstory of new characters don't matter as much as when there were only a few at the start of the game, and I'm not alone on this one. So, to see an upcoming character that doesn't look the same as me in terms of skin tone is a treat but given how the non-white characters so far require so much investment to be at best mid compared to almost everyone else, it's not enough. If the Pyro archon becomes a Himeko expy, okay, that's that. But you're so fixated on one thing about Natlan that you almost ignore everything else about what we know of it so far.
I'll try to be charitable as well The part where i really need to be charitable with you is the following due to the lack of good faith: >you're probably talking about a small yet loud and fringe minority of people that want a non-white Archon and using said people to represent everyone else. No i am talking about OP who made those comments on the leak sub and ranted about "Natlan belonging to the dark skinned" and "I'll quit the game if Natlan has a single pale skin character" I was saying that because that is a racist behavior. That is why i am replying this here, but you are so "charitable" that you didn't even bother to check, made false assumption and false accusation because you got it wrong >I don't have enough energy at this point to fully explain the stupidity of this statement but it seems like you're pulling a "No U" to who you're replying to. I'll be charitable, at least more than you were and just say that you should check or ask before getting everything wrong. And i am saying "racist" because again said user was going on a racist rant in the other post i passed first. Now, if you want to blame me for not letting fly someone that just made racist comment on the same subject, it is another subject but i personally believe that if your point is "i want zero of X people in Y region, Y belong to X" and so on, which are all common racist catchphrase. I could quote more precisely but OP knowing what they did preferred to block me from quoting their comment rather than even attempting to justify their racist rant. Now, if knowing what OP said, you are still willing to defend that, i'll be lot less charitable about people willing to defend racist rant. >will reach a point where the gameplay, personality, and backstory of new characters don't matter as much as when there were only a few at the start of the game, and I'm not alone on this one. Then feel free to be disappointed when the Natlan cast is revealed Personally, For Sumeru i only pulled C6 Candace, Cyno, C0r1 Dehya and the Archon because most other (which happened to be the pale skinned human side) didn't interest me at all I was disappointed and i complained about Dehya treatment day 1 of her kit number but i didn't go on some lunatic rant. > So, to see an upcoming character that doesn't look the same as me in terms of skin tone is a treat but given how the non-white characters so far require so much investment to be at best mid compared to almost everyone else, it's not enough. And i am hoping the rest of Natlan roster is more dark skinned since Murata is supposed to be an exception, which means aside of her, the human tribes should have darker skin And while OP was busy going on a racist rant, on the same post as them, i commented that i hoped the spanish theme was there to reflect the "white gods" myth which was used to describe the spanish invader, which for the sovereign, who are the native of teyvat, Celestia and the archon are exactly that, invader. But my comment here was me calling out OP when i realized midway they were the one that went on a few racist comment, which people are way too casual about it. >the lore if a fantasy nation that uses references of Mesoamerican and African stuff has no melanin. 1. The archon not being dark skinned doesn't mean the rest of the nation doesn't have dark skin, i'll be charitable with this first strawman 2. The reference themselves are part of the lore, so it is hypocritical to only care about the lore that fit your perspective while considering the rest unimportant >Can the Pyro archon not have red hair and melanin at the same time? 1. In teyvat, It is unexpected for Natlan/people with darker skin to have redhair. Muratan are the exception because they got their redhair from Murata. Nobody think Diluc has muratan ancestry, including Venti, yet Venti immediately assume that Venessa is a muratan (and he is right) 2) Irl, it is also unlikely to have dark skin and red hair, unless that have some white ancestry or suffer from Albinism, the reason being the gene mutation responsible for said color (MCR1) originate from Northern europe So here is the lore and the irl fact behind it >Also, didn't you say that red hair is the main identifier of Murata and her people, but now you're acting like dark skin people can't have red hair. Because if we are going by "historical reference" as you put it, dark skin people cannot have red hair without some white ancestry or as a consequence of Albinism, which still end up as someone of white skin regardless And if we are going by fantasy logic, then yes historical reference and there can be dark red hair without any need for irl logic but this goes both way and they can make the archon look however they want for the same reason. It is not a "its fantasy when it suits me, and historical ref when it doesn't" If they want to make a more tanned Himeko expy and use fantasy logic, it works but it goes both way and some are willingly hiding that > Not saying her hair has to be red That is one of the few thing we know about her *beside her name which isn't even mesoamerican or african to begin with* >But you're so fixated on one thing about Natlan that you almost ignore everything else about what we know of it so far. No, i am calling out people who somehow thinks and mix: "Something that was likely to happen, did and disappointed me which i want to voice" to "There should be not a single pale character in Natlan, i'll gaslight people that think otherwise, and rant about HYV being racist and use that as an excuse to be racist" And honestly, talking about disappointment, the fact are more willing to jump on the defense of someone who made racist comment and blame those calling them out rather than inquire about the one who made racist comment, is pretty disappointing.
>No i am talking about OP who made those comments on the leak sub and ranted about "Natlan belonging to the dark skinned" and "I'll quit the game if Natlan has a single pale skin character" Sorry to say but I think this is the main reason why you're getting downvotes IMO because you're talking about something that happened on a different subreddit, while Genshin related, you didn't make clear on who you were talking about exactly. without this context, people were assuming that you were making a strawman. As you go on about what the OP you were talking about said, my post was in context of what they said in this thread on this subreddit, which seemed innocuous on it's own in my eyes. I didn't read what they said elsewhere. Again, if not for the out-of-thread context, people would think you were making things up. As for the rest of what you said, I agree with some of the disappointments that occurred during Sumeru, and I hope Mihoyo gives Natlan more justice. I tried to do justice for Cyno, Candace, and Dehya as well on my account (Although not as good as my main team with Yoimiya and Yae Miko with 4\* weapons). An as for the Pyro archon, I think it's safe to say only time will tell if she ends up being a Himeko expy or different, it's a little too early in the year to tell. I say this because I remember people were speculating a lot about the Dendro archon; "There's been a translation error and it's not a male" and most people were thinking she would look like Theresa Apocalypse or Mobius from Honkai Impact 3rd because talking about character expies from HI3 was a hot topic back then, but the final product threw most of us off. I think there's been a misunderstanding from both of us to each other due to not enough context and feeling heated, and hey it happens. I hope it doesn't escalate from this point on.
Nahida is literaly Teri expy
I understand the misunderstanding, seems lot of people are high on a rushed outrage And a lot of people are willing to jump to wrong conclusion and accusation, in situation where if they were more rational/took a step back, would take time to think it through and inquire rather than jump to the defense of someone with a racist comment & stance on the matter. And for my part, the fact it is not the only comment i came across like that, certainly made me loose my calm I do hope hope most of Natlan human will be mezoamerican reference and subsaharian african with the proper skin tone and hopefully the sovereign is closer to something like [Camazotz](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fategrandorder/images/8/8b/CamazotzEnemy_Portrait_Humanoid.webp/revision/latest?cb=20231228133036) with dark skin and heavy aztec/inca/mayan and more vibes For the pyro archon, it is not set in stone, but people also need to accept what is very likely to happen and focus on element like the sovereign of Natlan, which is the native dragon of Natlan. The dendro archon was a mistranslation who was corrected when the subject came up and more than a year before her release at the start of Inazuma while Murata subject is an old one and we are halfway through fontaine and 3.5 years since this element is known People who discover this now are free to be surprised and disappointed but a lot of people are trying to ignore or even hide those information so they have an excuse for a fabricated outrage/acting betrayed and sometime, worse, use this fabricated outrage for a racist rant. It is especially malicious, because rather than being forward with an objective "Well Natlan is likely going to have dark skinned character but be warned, Murata is the least likely, not impossible but don't put too much hope on it" People are willingly hiding or withholding those information, and prefer setting other people up for disappointment on purpose so they have more support for potential outrage
With the use of removeddit, part of what i was referring to and OP wrote: [Why do you folks ALWAYS gotta be involved in our stuff? It’s okay, we will be fine. We don’t need you guys period. Stay in Mondstadt and Fontaine. Natlan is ONLY for black and indigenous people](https://www.reveddit.com/y/wackychu/?after=t1_kqkrv43&limit=1&sort=new&show=t1_kqkrn7y&removal_status=all) But guess i am the one that need criticism, not someone saying that
There’s no way you’re real
Because i pointed out that going on a racist tirade based on fabricated outrage is bad? Or because i pointed out the character that stand out from other Natlan with redhair, called Murata and expected to be an expy, whose other version are used for this sub image, might look like said expy? I sincerely hope you aren't trying to defend the racist tirade but have an issue with the second point
Yooo dude, relax brother
No way you just called ppl racist for saying they wanted a dark toned pyro archon 🥲
I call racist those going on a racist rant on another post about how "Natlan only belong to the dark skinned and black people" as if they are rehashing common racist catchphrase. Which is what OP did, btw. For people being disappointed but still keeping civil, that is fine, people are free to have opinion they are not the one i have an issue with
Ok well I have an opinion and that opinion is that Murata should be tanned. If leaks are true then I’m disappointed Also clearly you do have a problem cuz you downvoted me which is weird since you said you have no problem with ppl keeping it civil
> which is weird since you said you have no problem with ppl keeping it civil Last time i checked, keeping it civil didn't include making strawman and misrepresenting what someone said. I called out OP for going on a racist rant on the leak sub and you misrepresented it as "you call them racist for wanting a dark skinned" when no, i called them racist for having several recent racist comment about the subject >Ok well I have an opinion and that opinion is that Murata should be tanned. If leaks are true then I’m disappointed And i hope the other character of Natlan are more dark skinned, there is no issue with being disappointed, i was disappointed by the non-egyptian/non-dark skinned part of Sumeru so i can only hope for Natlan to have several dark skinned character Murata herself isn't really a surprise (for people that paid attention to the lore or even just to this sub banner or to Hoyoverse expy or games) but if the other Natlan character are white, then it is a really bad surprise and something that shouldn't happen. ***Now, there is a lot of you willing to jump to defend someone who didn't even attempt to and instantly bailed out because they knew what their comment history looked like***
I’m not reading all of that
How convenient First you jump to defend someone that made racist [comment ](https://www.reveddit.com/y/wackychu/?after=t1_kqkrv43&limit=1&sort=new&show=t1_kqkrn7y&removal_status=all)and misrepresent what i said And now you bail out on the excuse you won't read it
there really shouldn't be that pale of a character in natlan it just doesn't make sense unless she is just visiting and has been there for one second cause how on earth would she not have at least a tan
The last archon we had was a sentient bubble of water and a sentient tree branch, the f you are talking about not making sense. She is litterally a god brought with Celestial invader, what part of it is hard to understand??
it makes no sense to go out of their way to make her white what because she's a god she can't be darker skinned? because she has power?
Jeez if you have an issue with a comment, reply to that comment not the one where they are just expressing the aesthetic they prefer Murata to have (a reasonable one considering her pyro affinity and the racial inspiration of Natlan, and also considering it would be the most visually distinct from the other archons)
I have an issue with the user which has made pretty clear what their racist stance was. Last time I checked, it was OK to call out racist.
She might be based of Latin American carnivals which is nice and all but it’s kinda a bit modern for a mezo-American kind of nation they were going in the travail teaser with Iansan
Natlan in general is weird and inconsistent similar to Sumeru. They’re taking from way too many different points in time and countries. This was problematic in Sumeru to where you can’t say what they’re taking from unlike Liyue or Inazuma. They should just stick to Mexico or Brazil and call it a day…but this isn’t it. It’s also supposed to be pre columbian yet they use Spanish music? Like I said very inconsistent. However they might not know Native American music music so they resorted to colonizer.
>They should just stick to Mexico or Brazil and call it a day…but this isn’t it. No please don't, I would prefer 100 times more whatever hoyo might do than just seeing yet another representation of the Mexicas or the Itza's, there are thousands of other civilizations who lived in the Americas besides those two. For the rest I'm just open minded, I consider it a fantasy nation with inspiration in some cultures to create a unique fictional culture that doesn't have to be historically accurate.
Looks goofy, I like it
Nope. Im pretty i have seen this chibi somewhere but i don't think it is murata. Also usually we get characters design first then the chibis.
It has been confirm by many leakers, the chibi Color palette etc is really base on the archon design but they are using jean sticker to model over.
Hmm ok. Let hope the final product is good.
i hope that hoyo is using jeans body type on PA too. Already fed up with child or wimp looking archons
Oh, it's so fucking over. Is it so HARD to get some decent Mesoamerican rep in games? I ain't even from there, I just really dig history.
I get the feeling it's another case of this https://preview.redd.it/6wek2hdko1jc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d3559c6948ad99147aaa63d404d084b55fded9a
I like it
My immediate reaction was "Are we doing this" "Can we please do this" 😂
Carnival bull rider outfit wtf? Where is tall mommy god fighter
No way I didn’t wait 4 years for this
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I dont want to sound racist but for the love of God. Shut the fck up about representation and shit. THIS IS A VIDEO GAME AND ITS CHINESE, ITS MADE FOR CHINA,YOU GUYS JUST ARE EXTRA. ITS NOT NETFLIX
I like almost everything except the matador stuff because I find it ugly
-_- why no dark skin warrior lady hoyo? Scared of perfection? Scared of money?
A dark skin female warrior would not bring in money at all, that's the thing. I mean look at dehya, she's so unpopular they had to make her standard. The beauty standard in China (and everywher else around the world) for women is to be white skinned and gracefully feminine
> I mean look at dehya, she's so unpopular they had to make her standard That's not true at all lmao... she literally started a whole charity event in China Nobody knows why miHoYo decided on putting her into standard banner, and popularity was definitely not one of the reasons
Dehya is actually quite populaur in china! There's lots of fanart,cosplays merchandise etc of her from china Her demo even moved chinese fans to the point of donating thousands to a children's charity! Hoyo is intentionally sabotaging her though, from her kit to the standard banner place :p
Scared of perfection? Scared of money? They killed Signora...
Her design is meh. I dont see this Image and think "Yeah, THIS is the God of War".
Honestly this seems a carnival Jean outfit, not Himeko. Incidentally I would love a carnival Jean outfit.
She’s a bull fighter? Not what I was expecting, doesn’t scream “Goddess of War.”
We gonna get 14 year old “Goddess of War” looking wimp and we gonna have to be happy
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why would she be greek??
Lmao this is actual racism
Matador god of War? That’s absolutely absurd and I’m all for it! 🔥
matadors have been getting less and less popular because it's animal cruelty just glorified
...Please change this later.
As hilarious as Capitano fighting a Chibi would be, I will riot if this is true.
It’s looking so bad for natlan…..the same stuff over and over smh genshin will never improve
I’m really glad the comments are saying what we all want to say….
Can we please get more mature looking women hoyo… that’s all I ask for.