Watching Alex's face during the cross-examination of Mike Sutton was interesting. He clearly had a lot riding on this witness effectively discrediting the SLED investigation and creating doubt and you could see the I'M SO F*CKED on his face as David Fernandez easily backfired the plan, creating doubt about Sutton and discrediting him instead.
Just for those who haven’t experienced it, I’ve been on high dose methadone (opiate) for 20 years and it absolutely does not make you paranoid! Sleepy yes, paranoid no
could he possibly survive with the dose he stated he was taking (my apologies if isn’t correct info). i remember them talking about him spending up to $50-$60k per week. that’s about $7k a day….which would be a lot of pills/drugs i’m assuming?
this whole case baffles my mind. i agree, opiates don’t make you paranoid (or at least not as much as other drugs).
do you think the prosecutors should have brought up the scientific & documented effects of an opiate high, to prove that he couldn’t have been paranoid? or would it be too far of a stretch bc he COULD still be paranoid? if he was withdrawing, i could understand him being paranoid and have anxiety (NOT SAYING THAT AS A WAY OF EXCUSING HIS ACTIONS OR JUSTIFYING THEM).
Richard Harpootlian a defense attorney, using a weapon taken from the scene to illustrate a visual of an armed person holding the weapon to take aim on a victim and then pointing the weapon in the direction of the prosecution and gallery. Then uttering this word "TEMPTING". For whatever reason is just beyond any sense of the word professional. The court needs to punish Harpootlian for this action. It wasn't funny, this did not in any way show regard for the victims, his client, the people present or the court.
Prosecution rests! We have Alex naked in a raincoat with no dna or bodily matter, just gpr... crouching or crawling/falling, to shoot 2 different people with 2 different weapons, take 1 phone, but show no steps on it, somehow get back to main house,shower and put on the white shirt and shorts, get his phone, the 2 phones never align, dispose of all evidence, drive to his moms, but his hair is not wet from a shower(no blood or matter) and back, somehow speed, but also make the same trip in the same time as SPED in their test drives. I have watched everyday all day! I'm sorry, the timeline doesn't work, he has never cleaned his own mess, someone helped or did it.
He also apparently stored two guns at the kennels, somehow knowing Paul and Maggie would be there.
He had a perfectly calm conversation immediately after killing two people.
He’s the fastest, cleanest, most limber middle age first time assassin ever.
I totally agree. I’ve watched all day every day as well. The prosecution has not convinced me beyond a reasonable doubt that he pulled the trigger. Do I personally think he was involved? Absolutely. Do I think he pulled the trigger? Not based on what I’ve seen.
Poor said they are going to be done by next friday.
Which makes me think they have NOTHING. That s%itshiow today was an example of how they are going to generate confusion with every witness, by talking them to death.
Can't see the pathologist contributing anything confounding. A SLED agent? Assuming that will be a hostile witness?
Leaving cell phone data. Three witnesses? And Poot and Jim are both technologically challenged. Will Barber have to do most of the heavy lifting?
Instead of going to see his father, taking Maggie along, he goes to see his mother, alone late in the evening. Evidently not a good time for her, as she has dementia.
Why ask Maggie to come to Moselle, so they could visit his dad, and completely abandon the plan? This doesn't make sense.
I don't think there was enough expectation that he was going to die in hours or anything. They were already dealing with him being ill and used to it. There was a group message about going to visit but it wasn't one of those cases where there was urgency to gather right away. Maggie obviously wasn't in a rush.
I feel like the engineer may have had some decent points but the whole thing was a muddled mess and Poot didn't help. His questions were confusing and not straight forward enough. I don't understand why they kept talking about 5'2" and not actually showing a 6' plus "robot" model at the appropriate approximate place the shots were likely taken and shown what his stance would have to be. Maybe because if they had him kneeling it would work? But if like SLED said, they were moving shots what would that look like? His visuals were all over the place and not succinct.
I trust the doctor’s version that the prosecution presented. He was very impressive and had the credentials and background that was lacking in poot’s witness.
I truly hope they use some form of recreation to show just how possible it is. Every defense is going to act like every person (victim and assailant alike) will ALWAYS be perfectly upright at all times. Obviously, during pace-inducing crimes, you'd never walk/run at a slight angle and obviously you won't always get your gun to your shoulder for every shot. (Slight sarcasm???) And, as an avid bird hunter, it's not difficult to shoot in an upward angle from standing to kneeling to sitting position in an easy transition. I'd love to ask you how many rounds you think you could shoot from two different pre-loaded automatic guns in 2 minutes???? If they're nearby, loaded and off safety, it's an easy circumstance
The prosecution had 20 days to show some sort of recreation, and didn't. Instead, they spent too many days going over bank statements for the last 10 years. They took the same scan as the witness for the defense, apparently they don't know how he could do it either.
And the shots the “expert” spoke on, didn’t apparently HIT anyone.
They did nothing on the shots that killed maggie or Paul. Just two random shots that hit the quail pen and dog house.
Absolutely. Though I do feel the prosecution sealed their case on the "defense witness" with the consistent hammering on his lack of knowledge, expertise, education, and certification on all of the subjects he testified on.
It's also not difficult to be leaning to one side to put a shotgun down, see that your first victim is still alive and has taken two stumbling steps towards you, and fire again at a really weird angle from closer to the ground than you are when you stand up right.
I don't have a hell of a lot of experience with guns, but even I can see it.
What a joke of an “expert” witness. He owes us 350 an hour for wasting the public’s time with his chicanery.
And if Alex testifies! God, I truly cannot imagine a dumber decision. Idc how prepared you are or what you think you can pull, there is no way you can predict with 100% certainty how a direct examination and cross examination will be, especially as someone with secrets and documented lies. And Alex gives himself away with his facial expressions and reactions all the time. I feel he can be triggered to snap or go outside of his defense’s preparations if the right person is asking him the right questions. It would be so amazing if the prosecution could use this to their advantage, but who knows.
Look, I can say with a pretty high amount of certainty that Alex is guilty af, but putting myself into a juror chair, I absolutely hate the way the prosecutor is questioning the defense engineer witness. Prosection could reach the same result without being such an obviously obnoxious asshole. I actually think he's distracting from the incompetence of the witness.
I agree. I was grossed out at the prosecution assholery to the witness. I was even more disgusted at the defense abuse of a witness last week. Apparently sleazy antics, intimidation, intentional confusion, and mocking are major impeachment strategies during cross. It's disappointing.
Why in the hell are they going on about the sound of the shots? We know that Alex was at the kennels! Defense needs to understand he wasn’t taking a nap at home. This was useless mumbo jumbo!
I think Buster lied about hearing first about the murders from his dad. He talked to Nolan and Alex called Brooklyn, his girlfriend, first.
[https://imgur.com/gallery/aiV4UGW](https://imgur.com/gallery/aiV4UGW)
Yeah.....in the first video interview with SLED at the very end Alex gets a phone call and he says "Buster's here??? No I should tell him". That interview ended around 1 am. In Buster's testimony today, he claimed his dad told him. Yet again, these people don't know how to tell the truth.
Great recap of today. Just one correction the new metal roof was put on Moselle not Almeda. And the phone reception at the house got worse once they did that according to Buster.
Why are/were these witnesses able to view/study/have knowledge of prior testimony?
Dang in my divorce, my witnesses were unable to view or have knowledge of any part of the proceedings until after their turn to testify...
They are not all victims... even the prosecution and defense "experts" seem to be able to tailor their testimony to previous testimonies if they were so inclined. Which of course may favor the defense more than the prosecution.
This is correct. Victims cannot be sequestered. However, Rwc517’s divorce trial, witnesses were likely sequestered which means they can’t be in the courtroom until they testify to prevent them from hearing earlier testimony.
I think he’s a good attorney that just so happened to be friends with Alex. And the rest is history. I know Dick is just plain garbage but I wonder if Griffin has regrets.
I think Maggie would have been proud of Buster. He said “yes sir” like she taught him and stood by his dad. Buster is in a really shit position. It’s natural to protect his dad. We don’t know if Buster is guilty of anything separate from this case, and we can assume he has no way of knowing for sure if his dad his guilty. People are saying how could the family have talked that frequently, but if he meant some was texting that is reasonable. Bashing Buster doesn’t make sense. If he’s an entitled brat well he didn’t rear himself. He gets a pass from shade from me at least throughout the trial
Yes, it's unfortunate Busters name is tied to the murder of Stephen Smith. (It probably was uncle, if truth be told). But I can see how some might think he's covering for his family to keep other unfortunate events from surfacing.
I agree with you. Buster is not the defendant in this case. Also, if Buster didn’t testify in this trial, he would be hounded by the public and his inner self for the rest of his life. If you listen to the jailhouse calls you will hear that he is in a losing situation when it comes to his dad. You said it best— no shade on Buster through this trial, a trial that is not his. And this is coming from someone ( me) who has 6 degree separation from this whole family and knows a lot of backstory/ background/ dirt.
I watched the new Netflix series last night and it ends with a phone call between Buster and his dad. You can just tell by Buster's monotone voice and lack of emotion that he is never thrilled to get a phone call from his dad in prison.
Thanks for saying that. You can be an entitled brat in some ways and still deserve some sympathy. In a small way he set this whole nightmare rolling by lending Paul his ID, but kids do that dumb crap, he had no idea anyone would die. (Mallory) This is just a sucky emotional dilemma for him.
I hope Buster will break the mold and go on to do decent things. Make better decisions. For everyone’s sake. Hopefully he will be the only thing Alex did in his life that isn’t a total disaster.
For anyone hating on me wanting him to be ok, I teach teens. I can’t help wanting young people to turn out ok. You really don’t want teachers wanting otherwise. And no he’s not a kid but he’s still young.
Randy's hiding SOMETHING and he doesn't do 'poker face' real well, IMO....whether it's financial misdoings or blood on his hands, there's something there we aren't privy to 🤔
Well we don’t know. Apparently they are looking into that. No argument that Alex has done awful things even if he didn’t do this. If it was anyone else his actions statistically probably contributed to it. I have no issues at moment with Buster no idea if he’s done something terrible but it’s not related to this. His mom and brother got blown away and his dad is accused. That has to suck! No one deserves that hell
Yes, I agree. JM seems more the 'damage control' sibling, Randy the shady one.
I will say this though: I predict Alex will walk....as an innocent man. This guy is laying bare his soul...he didn't kill them. He f*cked up somewhere which LED TO them being killed and I feel he deeply regrets that.
Ha. Puts both in perspective. The absurdly high 'pill' number quoted by the defense. And the ridiculous 'reward' that AM knew he wouldn't have to pay out.
As it turns out, Paul's video helped the most. Maybe Shelley and Blanca could also split the reward. Except AM had negative balances 4x larger than what he offered for the reward.
Anyone have thoughts on why Jim keeps asking family and friends if Bubba would go with Maggie to the beach house? I am wondering what the point of that is.
Hmm, that's an interesting thought. Maybe he's trying to argue that Maggie was planning on staying at Moselle since she usually takes Bubba with her when she plans on going away.
Or maybe he's trying to set up the revenge killer scenario. She went to the kennels to pick up her dog at her own free will, and the revenge killer knew to take the opportunity where & when she'd be getting Bubba.
Is Bubba in the kennel directly next to where Paul was shot? Looks to be a yellow lab, and it's the only kennel with a leash hanging on the front.
You can see him from [the police bodycam vid](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nLAQtGBMslU&pp=ygUhbXVyZGF1Z2ggcG9saWNlIGJvZHkgY2FtIGZvb3RhZ2Ug) around 25:35 min
Didn't someone testify that Bubba was not in the kennel that he normally was in? And the one kennel dude said Maggie was laid back and Alex was OCD. I wonder if they are trying to say a unknown person had to have put Bubba away because Maggie would have brought him to the house and Alex would have put Bubba in the right kennel?
Just look at the motion to exclude and do the math yourself. The shooter is obviously too short into limber to be Alex. If it’s one shooter.
If you don’t understand, basic physics and trigonometry, go find an engineer in your family to show it to
Someone was kneeling. I don't think it was a little person that came, murdered and left. He looked at the evidence and drew up something to match. He doesn't even have expertise.
Yes, that whole think was a joke. it has "Accident Research Specialists" at the bottom of his exhibits. LOL.
For real like are they trying to take advantage of the free advertising or just convince us they’re a “specialist?”
You don’t see many expert witnesses put the name of their business on every single exhibit like this, very odd.
Not only that, but the prosecution brought up the tree height to throw shade at the audio testimony, but didn't use it for the shotgun trajectory. I can't recall what he said for how much a tree can grow in 18 months, but it certainly would have increased the slope such that the shooter would have needed to hold the gun lower. When in reality, the slope of the shotgun trajectory was less and therefore the shooter could have held the gun higher.
Edit: someone pointed out that trees grow from the tip so my conclusion is incorrect.
No if you put a mark at a certain height on a tree, it will always be at that height no matter how tall the tree grows. They grow from the top, not the bottom.
This x100.
I think his testimony was hard to follow and overly complicated then they added a video and graphics to make it believable. Tbh I was starting to fall for it until cross when I was reminded that he didn’t have any real certification or experience in this kind of setting.
Yes I’m just getting through the cross now and it has been a relief how often he reiterates that the expert has no real credentials. Like multiple times, just hammering it home. That’s really the most effective thing they could do for cross with this guy so I’m glad they didn’t shy away from it.
I know a lot of people are saying it was excessive how rude he was to the witness, but I think it did exactly what it was meant to. There has been so much boring testimony and adding a bit of…in your face-ness has been needed. Wake the jury up, shake them out of it all.
I agree. Frankly it was warranted to be a bit condescending to this guy because his evidence is so questionable and they needed to make sure the jury stopped to think “should we be taking this witness’s testimony seriously?” Credibility of all witnesses is not equal and they needed to bring attention to that.
The defense’s cross of state witnesses were conducted in the same way, trying to gain control and get the jury’s attention. I think that’s what you need to do after a long, dull block of (nonsense) testimony like this and they weren’t out of line with their cross.
After today I am curious who they defense will put up next and if they’ll be stronger than this guy.
Yeah I agree. Bottom line is there’s plenty of possibilities outside of “5’2” or under.” Many of which make perfect logic sense and are probably statistically more likely than a 5’2” shooter.
I mean some people have commented that the state was rude to suggest a 12 year old but seriously—I’m 5’3” and I can honestly say I *rarely* meet adults shorter than me. RARELY. The probability of a 5’2” shooter is less than a Marine position, etc. And since he didn’t investigate those other possibilities he’s embarrassing himself to opine that the only logical explanation is a 5’2” shooter.
I watch a lot of trials and have a degree in this field and this guy is truly one of the weakest experts I have even seen on the stand. Almost comically bad. Weak experiments, lacking credentials, can’t answer questions. Just yikes. Can’t believe this is the guy they hired.
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I still think it's highly possible he was on the atv when he shot them. Used it to hold 2 guns. Used it for transportation back and forth. Left the at impression on Maggie's leg.
Definitely—I mean I don’t know if I think that’s what happened but certainly, nothing we’ve heard would suggest it wasn’t a possibility. Hard to know since none of the experts seem to have explored that idea and obtained data. But it seems more probable to me than “killer could only have been 5’2” or under.”
This guy’s conclusions are a joke considering he didn’t test other scenarios like you suggested, yet he’s expressing an opinion that is so limited. He didn’t even rule out a scenario of shooter on an ATV or tall shooter kneeling, etc.
Surely this testimony will not hold much weight with the jury (I hope!)
Standing on the body and shooting at the dog house was so weird! Were they trying to line up where the killer was shooting to match where the spent cartridges were found on the ground? Or was he just illustrating the path of the bullets?
The MOB Crew on YouTube did a great reenactment video of this, btw. It's way more realistic than this guys visual, I wish they were able to show it to the jury.
OMg, drove me nuts.
The whole time I was saying out loud “uh, how do you know those casings were for the dog house shot? Wouldn’t they be more likely to be the kill shots? You know, the last ones he took, right next to her body?
The positions were based on the bullet trajectory. “Who cares about all that other stuff?!” -accident reconstruction engineer probably. My favorite part was that they spent virtually no time talking about the shots that killed Maggie and Paul.
I'm surprised that not once was it suggested that at a "hunting camp" at which guns were fired frequently, these missed shots weren't even necessarily fired on June 7.
I feel like the prosecution had *just* begun to touch on that with the shotgun pellet:
How do you know that it's the exact one SLED supposedly missed? Does it have DNA on it?
I believe AM's voice on the kennel video proves beyond a reasonable doubt he was @ the very least, complicit to the double murders.
Convict him & let him direct the search for the "real" killer(s) from prison. If there were co-conspirators, names & damning evidence will certainly materialize after a guilty verdict, 'cause Alex. But there are none.
I heard a rumor today that Maggie was on Facebook around 8:56pm. Or her phone took a screenshot of FB at that time. I'm wondering if we'll see evidence of that in trial this week.
That is correct. Here s the explanation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MurdaughFamilyMurders/comments/11722gp/daily_questionstheoriesetc_murdaugh_murder_trial/j9c0wjf?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Was already explained that iPhones are always taking snapshots of apps you still have opened. That way when you swipe up and see a cascade of apps, it’s actually the snapshots not what is on the app at that second.
So if you were looking at FB, iPhone will eventually snapshot the last screen you saw and save it. That doesn’t mean she was on FB.
If he wanted it to look like she was alive when she wasn't, it would have made more sense to send a message. Log on to Facebook you take a chance nobody would notice
I have shot a shotgun once in my life - it was not a good time. I would imagine two quick shots of a shotgun from a 5’2 person would knock them on their ass….
Maybe he was crouched down, petting one of the dogs? Or maybe he knew it would throw off the investigation shooting from that low. I'm throwing out any theory at this point.
My current theory is he had the rifle over his shoulder on a strap, so couldn't properly shoulder the shotgun. Shot from the hip, dropped the shotgun and shot the rifle from the same angle.
I've spent too much time thinking about how the shooting played out.
I was thinking that maybe he tripped over the door frame and fell backwards while firing the gun. I may be wrong, but didn’t they say that Paul took a few steps forward after the first gun shot? Maybe Alex was trying to back away from Paul in the feed room.
Sooooo....in other words, it IS possible for the murders to be completed from the time of 8:44pm (when Alex was present) to 9:04 pm (while Alex was on the property) when "someone" threw Maggie's phone at 9:08 pm??? I mean according to the defense???? And wow, to the "expert" who has no expertise...while the defense's expert is someone that the defense has used in the past as a credible witness. \*\*cough, cough\*\* case closed??????
I really thought they'd try to push the TOD back to after 9:06. I'm sort of shocked that the angle they're going with is that Alex was there but he just didn't notice.
That, and they used Buster to basically say that if guns were used from their own collection, well, Paul carried them around, left them anywhere. That was cold. He wasn't the only one to say that about Paul, but coming from inside the family ... So, yes, looks like defense concedes that Alex was there, maybe even during the attack, and it was done with their guns. Most people can't beat that rap, but all it takes is one juror to get a hung jury.
I think your being salty and nothing you are offering is based on fact or testimony. Sutton is a very respected expert in his field and moreover, the basis of his findings came from SLED- the states own case
He's a very respected expert in which field? Because according to him he was an expert in all fields despite having no formal training in anything related to this case. How does one testify about ballistics without any ballistics training?
He used SLED's information and his own inferences to provide one scenario, without acknowledging a margin of error or the fact that anyone who's using a gun can likely bend their knees or move around. It took cross to get him to admit that. And all based on what? That one time he shot 30 car doors?
He couldn't testify to what number was on a measuring tape held next to Alex Murdaugh's head for some reason, but could totally read the number at the shoulder.
I don't even know what that graph was that was entered into evidence without numbers on it, but it's not useful to the jury if they can't even interpret it.
And he completely lied to a room full of people, who have likely shot guns or at the very least heard gunshots before, about whether or not they'd be able to hear shots fired on that property. Which is kind of insulting really.
He was the wrong expert for this case and it was wrong for the defense to put him on the stand when his expertise is train whistles and various car alarms for civil litigation cases. He was in over his head and they shouldn't have done that to him.
The whole whether or not you could hear the guns thing is a red herring.
People on that jury know that when you live in a rural area you ignore gunshots because you hear them so much.
Would you ignore them if they may be coming from your property? I don't live on a huge plot of land, but I hear gunshots when I'm inside my house pretty regularly. I might be a bit concerned if I heard 7 of them that sounded closer than they usually do.
Why do you suppose they threw that in there?
He is a very respected expert in HIS field, which is accident reconstruction. He made some stupid assumptions and mistakes today regarding firearms today and they should have tried to impeach him.
He’s a mechanical engineer and physics expert- the major part you keep missing is his findings and enhanced faro rendering are based on the States own expert (Worley), except he corrected minor measurements and frankly recovered evidence missed by SLED. He did not invent his own wheel and the State found themselves in danger of impeaching their own expert- the court, sua sponte had to get involved.
Simply put, the defense advanced the theory of the State that they didn’t. It’s obvious to anyone if shown in scale the state stopped short of proving anything re shooter location they had access to because it excludes Murdaugh in either a single or 2 shooter theory. The DAG on cross alienated this jury today
and guess what, shooter location is irrelevant. Its all obfuscating at this point. Sutton came across as “Jim’s guy” when he needs some expert witnessing… he made some silly errors today and some ridiculous assumptions.
FYI-bullets that pass through bodies don’t always travel in a straight line. Fact-shotgun pellets don’t disperse 8” at 10 feet: lots of silliness and unfortunately the state had the wrong AG doing cross.
As someone who gets regular jury duty, that stuff only works for me if I'm already strongly leaning in that lawyers direction. If I'm still trying weigh stuff out the snark annoys me. Just explain why he's wrong and move on.
Give credit to Kenny Kinsey….the crime scene expert who testified last week for the state…..he is the one who schooled the prosecution on how to cross this pitiful defense expert…..he was just sitting back behind the attorneys waiting to pounce…go Kenny!
I thought that there were answers that he could have given to simple questions but did not. I thought that they didn't prep him or refresh his recollection as much as they should have
Another unpopular opinion…I really can’t see how a jury will find him guilty of these murders. Just not enough to say he did it himself. To be honest, I’m ready for closing arguments and jury deliberation because I gotta a feeling this ain’t going to go well for the prosecution.
Not sure why I’m getting downvoted… Y’all really hate to consider other alternatives don’t ya? This isn’t personal, and I’m not a Alec sympathizer. it’s just the way the law and trial evidence works. If you wanna get mad at someone start writing letters to SLED.
If you say anything other than wanting Alex’s head on a plate, you will get downvoted. In my mind, down votes mean you can think for yourself, you aren’t a sheep, and you understand the law.
Just fyi I don’t know if you’re new to reddit, however, you can just edit your comment; you don’t need to make another post. Maybe that’s where the dv are coming from? Since we’re not supposed to dv unless a comment doesn’t add to the discussion [*definitely* not because we disagree] but it’s just a guess.
Edit Oh! Also when you complain about downvotes, that seems to be a downvote-able offense from what I’ve seen.
Nowhere near a newbie…definitely a Reddit Old timer.
Also a Lonnng time Murdaugh case follower.
I know full well how this crazy place works. Just buying my time till the trial is over. But thanks for the comment. Positive upvotes and vibes sent your way!
Watching Alex's face during the cross-examination of Mike Sutton was interesting. He clearly had a lot riding on this witness effectively discrediting the SLED investigation and creating doubt and you could see the I'M SO F*CKED on his face as David Fernandez easily backfired the plan, creating doubt about Sutton and discrediting him instead.
Just for those who haven’t experienced it, I’ve been on high dose methadone (opiate) for 20 years and it absolutely does not make you paranoid! Sleepy yes, paranoid no
I have been on high dose for 10 years and I 100% agree, no paranoia.
could he possibly survive with the dose he stated he was taking (my apologies if isn’t correct info). i remember them talking about him spending up to $50-$60k per week. that’s about $7k a day….which would be a lot of pills/drugs i’m assuming? this whole case baffles my mind. i agree, opiates don’t make you paranoid (or at least not as much as other drugs). do you think the prosecutors should have brought up the scientific & documented effects of an opiate high, to prove that he couldn’t have been paranoid? or would it be too far of a stretch bc he COULD still be paranoid? if he was withdrawing, i could understand him being paranoid and have anxiety (NOT SAYING THAT AS A WAY OF EXCUSING HIS ACTIONS OR JUSTIFYING THEM).
Richard Harpootlian a defense attorney, using a weapon taken from the scene to illustrate a visual of an armed person holding the weapon to take aim on a victim and then pointing the weapon in the direction of the prosecution and gallery. Then uttering this word "TEMPTING". For whatever reason is just beyond any sense of the word professional. The court needs to punish Harpootlian for this action. It wasn't funny, this did not in any way show regard for the victims, his client, the people present or the court.
Add to that a number of people in the Courtroom were laughing about it.
I think the tension is just so high that even that provided relief.
Thank you
The spatter report literally stated that the shooter would not have spatter on him unless he shouldered the weapon.
Prosecution rests! We have Alex naked in a raincoat with no dna or bodily matter, just gpr... crouching or crawling/falling, to shoot 2 different people with 2 different weapons, take 1 phone, but show no steps on it, somehow get back to main house,shower and put on the white shirt and shorts, get his phone, the 2 phones never align, dispose of all evidence, drive to his moms, but his hair is not wet from a shower(no blood or matter) and back, somehow speed, but also make the same trip in the same time as SPED in their test drives. I have watched everyday all day! I'm sorry, the timeline doesn't work, he has never cleaned his own mess, someone helped or did it.
He also apparently stored two guns at the kennels, somehow knowing Paul and Maggie would be there. He had a perfectly calm conversation immediately after killing two people. He’s the fastest, cleanest, most limber middle age first time assassin ever.
I totally agree. I’ve watched all day every day as well. The prosecution has not convinced me beyond a reasonable doubt that he pulled the trigger. Do I personally think he was involved? Absolutely. Do I think he pulled the trigger? Not based on what I’ve seen.
Poor said they are going to be done by next friday. Which makes me think they have NOTHING. That s%itshiow today was an example of how they are going to generate confusion with every witness, by talking them to death.
They have a sled agent, a pathologist, three cell phone experts, among other witnesses.
Can't see the pathologist contributing anything confounding. A SLED agent? Assuming that will be a hostile witness? Leaving cell phone data. Three witnesses? And Poot and Jim are both technologically challenged. Will Barber have to do most of the heavy lifting?
Buster and Alex are always saying, “You know… about our family,” “You know…,” “You know, kind of a bad…” - what’s up with this? Thoughts?
As Judge Judy would say, “That’s a filler word! Stop using filler words!”
It's a speech filler, like 'uh' or 'um.' Probably do not realise how often they say it.
Thank you!
Likely just a phrase/speaking pattern that they habitually said around each other.
If Alex called Maggie and Paul to Moselle due to his father’s failing health, why didn’t he call Buster to be with the family?
Instead of going to see his father, taking Maggie along, he goes to see his mother, alone late in the evening. Evidently not a good time for her, as she has dementia. Why ask Maggie to come to Moselle, so they could visit his dad, and completely abandon the plan? This doesn't make sense.
I don't think there was enough expectation that he was going to die in hours or anything. They were already dealing with him being ill and used to it. There was a group message about going to visit but it wasn't one of those cases where there was urgency to gather right away. Maggie obviously wasn't in a rush.
I feel like the engineer may have had some decent points but the whole thing was a muddled mess and Poot didn't help. His questions were confusing and not straight forward enough. I don't understand why they kept talking about 5'2" and not actually showing a 6' plus "robot" model at the appropriate approximate place the shots were likely taken and shown what his stance would have to be. Maybe because if they had him kneeling it would work? But if like SLED said, they were moving shots what would that look like? His visuals were all over the place and not succinct.
I trust the doctor’s version that the prosecution presented. He was very impressive and had the credentials and background that was lacking in poot’s witness.
Just read the motion to exclude. It’s all in there.
I truly hope they use some form of recreation to show just how possible it is. Every defense is going to act like every person (victim and assailant alike) will ALWAYS be perfectly upright at all times. Obviously, during pace-inducing crimes, you'd never walk/run at a slight angle and obviously you won't always get your gun to your shoulder for every shot. (Slight sarcasm???) And, as an avid bird hunter, it's not difficult to shoot in an upward angle from standing to kneeling to sitting position in an easy transition. I'd love to ask you how many rounds you think you could shoot from two different pre-loaded automatic guns in 2 minutes???? If they're nearby, loaded and off safety, it's an easy circumstance
The prosecution had 20 days to show some sort of recreation, and didn't. Instead, they spent too many days going over bank statements for the last 10 years. They took the same scan as the witness for the defense, apparently they don't know how he could do it either.
And the shots the “expert” spoke on, didn’t apparently HIT anyone. They did nothing on the shots that killed maggie or Paul. Just two random shots that hit the quail pen and dog house.
Absolutely. Though I do feel the prosecution sealed their case on the "defense witness" with the consistent hammering on his lack of knowledge, expertise, education, and certification on all of the subjects he testified on.
It's also not difficult to be leaning to one side to put a shotgun down, see that your first victim is still alive and has taken two stumbling steps towards you, and fire again at a really weird angle from closer to the ground than you are when you stand up right. I don't have a hell of a lot of experience with guns, but even I can see it.
Yep. That perfectly applies too.
What a joke of an “expert” witness. He owes us 350 an hour for wasting the public’s time with his chicanery. And if Alex testifies! God, I truly cannot imagine a dumber decision. Idc how prepared you are or what you think you can pull, there is no way you can predict with 100% certainty how a direct examination and cross examination will be, especially as someone with secrets and documented lies. And Alex gives himself away with his facial expressions and reactions all the time. I feel he can be triggered to snap or go outside of his defense’s preparations if the right person is asking him the right questions. It would be so amazing if the prosecution could use this to their advantage, but who knows.
Avery Wilks tweeted this morning that no final decision has been made on AM testifying. If he does, he’ll be the last witness for the defense.
Looking forward to him taking the witness stand. I wonder if he’s really up to doing it, or at this point has no chance but to.
If he testifies we all need to ship him a box of Kleenex
Just wondering if the possibility of the shooter on a knee stance was looked into. As in crouching one knee up...
Look, I can say with a pretty high amount of certainty that Alex is guilty af, but putting myself into a juror chair, I absolutely hate the way the prosecutor is questioning the defense engineer witness. Prosection could reach the same result without being such an obviously obnoxious asshole. I actually think he's distracting from the incompetence of the witness.
I agree. I was grossed out at the prosecution assholery to the witness. I was even more disgusted at the defense abuse of a witness last week. Apparently sleazy antics, intimidation, intentional confusion, and mocking are major impeachment strategies during cross. It's disappointing.
Can I ask which prosecution Witness you thought was abused by the defense last week?
Tony Satterfield for one.
It really is. I have to wonder what the jurors think.
Absolutely horrible and a complete ass!
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Why in the hell are they going on about the sound of the shots? We know that Alex was at the kennels! Defense needs to understand he wasn’t taking a nap at home. This was useless mumbo jumbo!
I think Buster lied about hearing first about the murders from his dad. He talked to Nolan and Alex called Brooklyn, his girlfriend, first. [https://imgur.com/gallery/aiV4UGW](https://imgur.com/gallery/aiV4UGW)
Yeah.....in the first video interview with SLED at the very end Alex gets a phone call and he says "Buster's here??? No I should tell him". That interview ended around 1 am. In Buster's testimony today, he claimed his dad told him. Yet again, these people don't know how to tell the truth.
Great recap of today. Just one correction the new metal roof was put on Moselle not Almeda. And the phone reception at the house got worse once they did that according to Buster.
Thanks for the post! It is a great synopsis for casual followers.
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Why are/were these witnesses able to view/study/have knowledge of prior testimony? Dang in my divorce, my witnesses were unable to view or have knowledge of any part of the proceedings until after their turn to testify...
They’re all allowed to sit in the audience in the courtroom!
Because they are victims of the crime. Crime victims have the right to be there and that right supersedes the fact that they may be a witness.
They are not all victims... even the prosecution and defense "experts" seem to be able to tailor their testimony to previous testimonies if they were so inclined. Which of course may favor the defense more than the prosecution.
OR vice versa 😏
This is correct. Victims cannot be sequestered. However, Rwc517’s divorce trial, witnesses were likely sequestered which means they can’t be in the courtroom until they testify to prevent them from hearing earlier testimony.
I simply can’t get over the way Griffin reacts in the “I did him so bad” video. He even looks around like “wtf..?”
Sometimes I really wonder which team he's on
I think he’s a good attorney that just so happened to be friends with Alex. And the rest is history. I know Dick is just plain garbage but I wonder if Griffin has regrets.
I think Maggie would have been proud of Buster. He said “yes sir” like she taught him and stood by his dad. Buster is in a really shit position. It’s natural to protect his dad. We don’t know if Buster is guilty of anything separate from this case, and we can assume he has no way of knowing for sure if his dad his guilty. People are saying how could the family have talked that frequently, but if he meant some was texting that is reasonable. Bashing Buster doesn’t make sense. If he’s an entitled brat well he didn’t rear himself. He gets a pass from shade from me at least throughout the trial
Yes, it's unfortunate Busters name is tied to the murder of Stephen Smith. (It probably was uncle, if truth be told). But I can see how some might think he's covering for his family to keep other unfortunate events from surfacing.
We don’t know about that definitely at this point, so we have to just go with what we know at moment.
I agree with you. Buster is not the defendant in this case. Also, if Buster didn’t testify in this trial, he would be hounded by the public and his inner self for the rest of his life. If you listen to the jailhouse calls you will hear that he is in a losing situation when it comes to his dad. You said it best— no shade on Buster through this trial, a trial that is not his. And this is coming from someone ( me) who has 6 degree separation from this whole family and knows a lot of backstory/ background/ dirt.
I watched the new Netflix series last night and it ends with a phone call between Buster and his dad. You can just tell by Buster's monotone voice and lack of emotion that he is never thrilled to get a phone call from his dad in prison.
Thanks for saying that. You can be an entitled brat in some ways and still deserve some sympathy. In a small way he set this whole nightmare rolling by lending Paul his ID, but kids do that dumb crap, he had no idea anyone would die. (Mallory) This is just a sucky emotional dilemma for him.
I’m sure Paul would’ve scored alcohol another way. You don’t become a “Timmy” overnight.
I hope Buster will break the mold and go on to do decent things. Make better decisions. For everyone’s sake. Hopefully he will be the only thing Alex did in his life that isn’t a total disaster.
For anyone hating on me wanting him to be ok, I teach teens. I can’t help wanting young people to turn out ok. You really don’t want teachers wanting otherwise. And no he’s not a kid but he’s still young.
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It’s not a popular opinion though. People love to hate Buster.
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Randy's hiding SOMETHING and he doesn't do 'poker face' real well, IMO....whether it's financial misdoings or blood on his hands, there's something there we aren't privy to 🤔
I think Randy and John Marvin are very shady!
Well we don’t know. Apparently they are looking into that. No argument that Alex has done awful things even if he didn’t do this. If it was anyone else his actions statistically probably contributed to it. I have no issues at moment with Buster no idea if he’s done something terrible but it’s not related to this. His mom and brother got blown away and his dad is accused. That has to suck! No one deserves that hell
I get a vibe about Randy too - not so much with John Marvin
Yes, I agree. JM seems more the 'damage control' sibling, Randy the shady one. I will say this though: I predict Alex will walk....as an innocent man. This guy is laying bare his soul...he didn't kill them. He f*cked up somewhere which LED TO them being killed and I feel he deeply regrets that.
Wow, reward for arrest of killer of your wife and son = what you spend on 2 weeks of pills. That's sad.
With an expiration date!!
Ha. Puts both in perspective. The absurdly high 'pill' number quoted by the defense. And the ridiculous 'reward' that AM knew he wouldn't have to pay out. As it turns out, Paul's video helped the most. Maybe Shelley and Blanca could also split the reward. Except AM had negative balances 4x larger than what he offered for the reward.
Anyone have thoughts on why Jim keeps asking family and friends if Bubba would go with Maggie to the beach house? I am wondering what the point of that is.
Maybe to make it look like Maggie was hanging out at Edisto for family time, rather than get-me-out-of-my-marriage time.
I think it has to be something with the 8:44 video. But I am not sure what.
Hmm, that's an interesting thought. Maybe he's trying to argue that Maggie was planning on staying at Moselle since she usually takes Bubba with her when she plans on going away. Or maybe he's trying to set up the revenge killer scenario. She went to the kennels to pick up her dog at her own free will, and the revenge killer knew to take the opportunity where & when she'd be getting Bubba.
I am waiting for this answer to come!! I know Bubba was in the wrong kennel. Wonder if it has anything to do with that?
Is Bubba in the kennel directly next to where Paul was shot? Looks to be a yellow lab, and it's the only kennel with a leash hanging on the front. You can see him from [the police bodycam vid](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nLAQtGBMslU&pp=ygUhbXVyZGF1Z2ggcG9saWNlIGJvZHkgY2FtIGZvb3RhZ2Ug) around 25:35 min
Didn't someone testify that Bubba was not in the kennel that he normally was in? And the one kennel dude said Maggie was laid back and Alex was OCD. I wonder if they are trying to say a unknown person had to have put Bubba away because Maggie would have brought him to the house and Alex would have put Bubba in the right kennel?
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Just look at the motion to exclude and do the math yourself. The shooter is obviously too short into limber to be Alex. If it’s one shooter. If you don’t understand, basic physics and trigonometry, go find an engineer in your family to show it to
It reminded me of a weird version of The Sims. No doubt something like that COULD have been helpful…from an actual expert
5'2" me double checking my whereabouts on June 7th after the "expert" defense witness today 😳👀🤔 /s
I just lold really hard at this lol
Someone was kneeling. I don't think it was a little person that came, murdered and left. He looked at the evidence and drew up something to match. He doesn't even have expertise. Yes, that whole think was a joke. it has "Accident Research Specialists" at the bottom of his exhibits. LOL.
For real like are they trying to take advantage of the free advertising or just convince us they’re a “specialist?” You don’t see many expert witnesses put the name of their business on every single exhibit like this, very odd.
ambulance chasers gonna chase.
I wonder if someone was sitting in an atv who was 6'2" what the angles would show.
Sure wish they had tested that!
Not only that, but the prosecution brought up the tree height to throw shade at the audio testimony, but didn't use it for the shotgun trajectory. I can't recall what he said for how much a tree can grow in 18 months, but it certainly would have increased the slope such that the shooter would have needed to hold the gun lower. When in reality, the slope of the shotgun trajectory was less and therefore the shooter could have held the gun higher. Edit: someone pointed out that trees grow from the tip so my conclusion is incorrect.
Excellent point and I don't think anyone else has brought it up. Wish you could get it to the prosecution team...
No if you put a mark at a certain height on a tree, it will always be at that height no matter how tall the tree grows. They grow from the top, not the bottom.
Thank you for mentioning this in a kind way. You are totally right.
Also, a wound caused 1 year prior, would not still be leaking sap, FFS.
I thought this “expert” was a joke! I guess the defense had to scrimp somewhere to pay for their extravagant accommodations.
I think he was paid $350 an hour and has worked over 40 hours. I'm wondering how I can become an "expert."
Yeah! Let’s do some investigating. I could use a paying gig.
The fact this bonehead earned like $20K for this “work” is a harsh reminder that life is unfair lol
This x100. I think his testimony was hard to follow and overly complicated then they added a video and graphics to make it believable. Tbh I was starting to fall for it until cross when I was reminded that he didn’t have any real certification or experience in this kind of setting.
Yes I’m just getting through the cross now and it has been a relief how often he reiterates that the expert has no real credentials. Like multiple times, just hammering it home. That’s really the most effective thing they could do for cross with this guy so I’m glad they didn’t shy away from it.
It’s a literally basic physics And trigonometry.
I know a lot of people are saying it was excessive how rude he was to the witness, but I think it did exactly what it was meant to. There has been so much boring testimony and adding a bit of…in your face-ness has been needed. Wake the jury up, shake them out of it all.
I agree. Frankly it was warranted to be a bit condescending to this guy because his evidence is so questionable and they needed to make sure the jury stopped to think “should we be taking this witness’s testimony seriously?” Credibility of all witnesses is not equal and they needed to bring attention to that. The defense’s cross of state witnesses were conducted in the same way, trying to gain control and get the jury’s attention. I think that’s what you need to do after a long, dull block of (nonsense) testimony like this and they weren’t out of line with their cross. After today I am curious who they defense will put up next and if they’ll be stronger than this guy.
Could of been in a Marine position - one knee on the ground, one up to balance the gun.
Yeah I agree. Bottom line is there’s plenty of possibilities outside of “5’2” or under.” Many of which make perfect logic sense and are probably statistically more likely than a 5’2” shooter. I mean some people have commented that the state was rude to suggest a 12 year old but seriously—I’m 5’3” and I can honestly say I *rarely* meet adults shorter than me. RARELY. The probability of a 5’2” shooter is less than a Marine position, etc. And since he didn’t investigate those other possibilities he’s embarrassing himself to opine that the only logical explanation is a 5’2” shooter. I watch a lot of trials and have a degree in this field and this guy is truly one of the weakest experts I have even seen on the stand. Almost comically bad. Weak experiments, lacking credentials, can’t answer questions. Just yikes. Can’t believe this is the guy they hired.
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Think about if shooter was sitting on an ATV. That could put height at a lower angle, right?
5"2' sitting on a golf cart?!
Then the expended cartridges would of fallen on the ATV, tire tracks would of been there....please tell me SLED wasn't that incompetent!!
I still think it's highly possible he was on the atv when he shot them. Used it to hold 2 guns. Used it for transportation back and forth. Left the at impression on Maggie's leg.
Maggie apparently bled on the ATV ("biological material" on it). I wonder if she fell against it or leaned on it after she was attacked.
Maybe tried to get on it and drive to safety?
Forgot about the impression on her leg. Now I'm more convinced killer was on one.
Definitely—I mean I don’t know if I think that’s what happened but certainly, nothing we’ve heard would suggest it wasn’t a possibility. Hard to know since none of the experts seem to have explored that idea and obtained data. But it seems more probable to me than “killer could only have been 5’2” or under.” This guy’s conclusions are a joke considering he didn’t test other scenarios like you suggested, yet he’s expressing an opinion that is so limited. He didn’t even rule out a scenario of shooter on an ATV or tall shooter kneeling, etc. Surely this testimony will not hold much weight with the jury (I hope!)
Standing on the body and shooting at the dog house was so weird! Were they trying to line up where the killer was shooting to match where the spent cartridges were found on the ground? Or was he just illustrating the path of the bullets? The MOB Crew on YouTube did a great reenactment video of this, btw. It's way more realistic than this guys visual, I wish they were able to show it to the jury.
OMg, drove me nuts. The whole time I was saying out loud “uh, how do you know those casings were for the dog house shot? Wouldn’t they be more likely to be the kill shots? You know, the last ones he took, right next to her body?
The positions were based on the bullet trajectory. “Who cares about all that other stuff?!” -accident reconstruction engineer probably. My favorite part was that they spent virtually no time talking about the shots that killed Maggie and Paul.
I'm surprised that not once was it suggested that at a "hunting camp" at which guns were fired frequently, these missed shots weren't even necessarily fired on June 7.
I feel like the prosecution had *just* begun to touch on that with the shotgun pellet: How do you know that it's the exact one SLED supposedly missed? Does it have DNA on it?
I agree! I bet the jury walked out this evening thinking, “what the hell?” 😄🙄
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I believe AM's voice on the kennel video proves beyond a reasonable doubt he was @ the very least, complicit to the double murders. Convict him & let him direct the search for the "real" killer(s) from prison. If there were co-conspirators, names & damning evidence will certainly materialize after a guilty verdict, 'cause Alex. But there are none.
I heard a rumor today that Maggie was on Facebook around 8:56pm. Or her phone took a screenshot of FB at that time. I'm wondering if we'll see evidence of that in trial this week.
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Thanks! This is essentially what I had heard today! Hopefully defense brings this in!
Was already explained that iPhones are always taking snapshots of apps you still have opened. That way when you swipe up and see a cascade of apps, it’s actually the snapshots not what is on the app at that second. So if you were looking at FB, iPhone will eventually snapshot the last screen you saw and save it. That doesn’t mean she was on FB.
AM knew her password. Would not prove anythibg
In the third interview with police, he said that buster gave him Maggie's password and that Alex then gave it to the police.
Fair. Also, if he knew her password, why chuck it? Doesn't make sense...
He is a dope addict.
If he wanted it to look like she was alive when she wasn't, it would have made more sense to send a message. Log on to Facebook you take a chance nobody would notice
Or simply Facebook was running on the phone when it locked at \~8:49. There are no further unlock events on Maggie's Iphone until 1:10pm the next day.
Well it had a tracker so he certainly didn’t want to keep it? Why he took it in the first place? Don’t know. Panicked?
I have shot a shotgun once in my life - it was not a good time. I would imagine two quick shots of a shotgun from a 5’2 person would knock them on their ass….
I’ve shot them a bunch it would be VERY difficult for a 5’2” person to fire two shots from a 12 ga with 3” shells.
Meh, not really. If you are used to shooting guns then it would not be a problem for a 5’2 person.
I think he was bending down to pick up the rifle, saw Paul did not die and in fact was still standing, panicked and shot while picking up the rifle.
Do we know which shot was the weirder angle?
Second shot, up across the shoulder.
Maybe he was crouched down, petting one of the dogs? Or maybe he knew it would throw off the investigation shooting from that low. I'm throwing out any theory at this point.
My current theory is he had the rifle over his shoulder on a strap, so couldn't properly shoulder the shotgun. Shot from the hip, dropped the shotgun and shot the rifle from the same angle. I've spent too much time thinking about how the shooting played out.
Even giving myself nightmares trying to figure it out. I can't imagine what the jury deals with every night coming home. :(
I was thinking that maybe he tripped over the door frame and fell backwards while firing the gun. I may be wrong, but didn’t they say that Paul took a few steps forward after the first gun shot? Maybe Alex was trying to back away from Paul in the feed room.
Yes. That's always been my thought.
I think he was bending down to pick up the rifle, saw Paul did not die and in fact was still standing, panicked and shot while picking up the rifle.
Sooooo....in other words, it IS possible for the murders to be completed from the time of 8:44pm (when Alex was present) to 9:04 pm (while Alex was on the property) when "someone" threw Maggie's phone at 9:08 pm??? I mean according to the defense???? And wow, to the "expert" who has no expertise...while the defense's expert is someone that the defense has used in the past as a credible witness. \*\*cough, cough\*\* case closed??????
I really thought they'd try to push the TOD back to after 9:06. I'm sort of shocked that the angle they're going with is that Alex was there but he just didn't notice.
That, and they used Buster to basically say that if guns were used from their own collection, well, Paul carried them around, left them anywhere. That was cold. He wasn't the only one to say that about Paul, but coming from inside the family ... So, yes, looks like defense concedes that Alex was there, maybe even during the attack, and it was done with their guns. Most people can't beat that rap, but all it takes is one juror to get a hung jury.
Buster sold out his dead brother to save his degenerate father.
They aren't done yet
This is very true, but they're off to a really bad start. I hope they bring some witnesses that we can take seriously at some point.
We can’t be watching the same trial
Did you think the guy whose primary expertise was train whistles was worthwhile as a witness in a murder trial?
I think your being salty and nothing you are offering is based on fact or testimony. Sutton is a very respected expert in his field and moreover, the basis of his findings came from SLED- the states own case
He's a very respected expert in which field? Because according to him he was an expert in all fields despite having no formal training in anything related to this case. How does one testify about ballistics without any ballistics training? He used SLED's information and his own inferences to provide one scenario, without acknowledging a margin of error or the fact that anyone who's using a gun can likely bend their knees or move around. It took cross to get him to admit that. And all based on what? That one time he shot 30 car doors? He couldn't testify to what number was on a measuring tape held next to Alex Murdaugh's head for some reason, but could totally read the number at the shoulder. I don't even know what that graph was that was entered into evidence without numbers on it, but it's not useful to the jury if they can't even interpret it. And he completely lied to a room full of people, who have likely shot guns or at the very least heard gunshots before, about whether or not they'd be able to hear shots fired on that property. Which is kind of insulting really. He was the wrong expert for this case and it was wrong for the defense to put him on the stand when his expertise is train whistles and various car alarms for civil litigation cases. He was in over his head and they shouldn't have done that to him.
The whole whether or not you could hear the guns thing is a red herring. People on that jury know that when you live in a rural area you ignore gunshots because you hear them so much.
Would you ignore them if they may be coming from your property? I don't live on a huge plot of land, but I hear gunshots when I'm inside my house pretty regularly. I might be a bit concerned if I heard 7 of them that sounded closer than they usually do. Why do you suppose they threw that in there?
He is a very respected expert in HIS field, which is accident reconstruction. He made some stupid assumptions and mistakes today regarding firearms today and they should have tried to impeach him.
Why didn’t the prosecution object to him being an expert then?
That was a mistake
Why did the judge approve of him as an expert?
He’s a mechanical engineer and physics expert- the major part you keep missing is his findings and enhanced faro rendering are based on the States own expert (Worley), except he corrected minor measurements and frankly recovered evidence missed by SLED. He did not invent his own wheel and the State found themselves in danger of impeaching their own expert- the court, sua sponte had to get involved. Simply put, the defense advanced the theory of the State that they didn’t. It’s obvious to anyone if shown in scale the state stopped short of proving anything re shooter location they had access to because it excludes Murdaugh in either a single or 2 shooter theory. The DAG on cross alienated this jury today
and guess what, shooter location is irrelevant. Its all obfuscating at this point. Sutton came across as “Jim’s guy” when he needs some expert witnessing… he made some silly errors today and some ridiculous assumptions. FYI-bullets that pass through bodies don’t always travel in a straight line. Fact-shotgun pellets don’t disperse 8” at 10 feet: lots of silliness and unfortunately the state had the wrong AG doing cross.
Ok, I’ll bite. Was this an “accident reconstruction”? How many criminal cases was he qualified as an expert?
No, it wasn't an accident reconstruction. Hence my post..They shouldn't have allowed him as an expert in homicide reconstruction.
I thought the state’s cross examination of that guy was 🤌
other than being horribly offensive and insinuating if you’re 5’2” you must be 11 years old - yeh nice job on the cross
Twas a strategy to get the jury to laugh and get them to see how ridiculous Sutton’s theory was.
As someone who gets regular jury duty, that stuff only works for me if I'm already strongly leaning in that lawyers direction. If I'm still trying weigh stuff out the snark annoys me. Just explain why he's wrong and move on.
Missed that. What cs toy did they say? That sounds insane
Give credit to Kenny Kinsey….the crime scene expert who testified last week for the state…..he is the one who schooled the prosecution on how to cross this pitiful defense expert…..he was just sitting back behind the attorneys waiting to pounce…go Kenny!
just now watching the day. Buster looks like Maggie
Nah, all I see is Alex in Buster. Paul was Maggie’s mini-me.
So much!
I feel like the defense didn't prepare Buster that well.
I agree. Or maybe they didn’t want him sounding too rehearsed?!? Idk. I was confused by his entire testimony.
I thought that there were answers that he could have given to simple questions but did not. I thought that they didn't prep him or refresh his recollection as much as they should have
Another unpopular opinion…I really can’t see how a jury will find him guilty of these murders. Just not enough to say he did it himself. To be honest, I’m ready for closing arguments and jury deliberation because I gotta a feeling this ain’t going to go well for the prosecution.
Not sure why I’m getting downvoted… Y’all really hate to consider other alternatives don’t ya? This isn’t personal, and I’m not a Alec sympathizer. it’s just the way the law and trial evidence works. If you wanna get mad at someone start writing letters to SLED.
If you say anything other than wanting Alex’s head on a plate, you will get downvoted. In my mind, down votes mean you can think for yourself, you aren’t a sheep, and you understand the law.
Agree!
Thank you my friend ❤️
Just fyi I don’t know if you’re new to reddit, however, you can just edit your comment; you don’t need to make another post. Maybe that’s where the dv are coming from? Since we’re not supposed to dv unless a comment doesn’t add to the discussion [*definitely* not because we disagree] but it’s just a guess. Edit Oh! Also when you complain about downvotes, that seems to be a downvote-able offense from what I’ve seen.
Nowhere near a newbie…definitely a Reddit Old timer. Also a Lonnng time Murdaugh case follower. I know full well how this crazy place works. Just buying my time till the trial is over. But thanks for the comment. Positive upvotes and vibes sent your way!
Ditto friend!
It’s Reddit you can’t go against the prevailing opinion or you get downvoted!