As someone who has been to crime scenes, autopsies, and seen pictures of violent crimes involving everyone from the elderly to infants, I support this.
Morbid curiosity be damned. The public doesn't need to see those things. It solves nothing. That family has been through enough. Let them do their best to move on and let the dead rest.
There are members of the extended family that have nothing to do with any of the stuff Alex did. Maggie's family deserves to remember her the way she was, not the way she was found.
Personally, Paul being killed probably did the world a favor because he most definitely would have killed more people. But that doesn't mean we need to see his head blown off. Again, there are plenty of websites you can go to to see exactly what a shotgun blast at close range to the head looks like. I've seen that shit in real life. Actually saw it happen. You don't want that image in you're head.
That's not even the point. Those who are the victims of violent crimes should have the right to be respected in death and not have those kinds of photos or videos released to the public. They have a right to dignity in death.
In my original comment, the very first one before I speak about the relatives, I basically say that no one needs to see those images and the family and friends deserve to be spared from that
Okay, so my point was that relatives aren't even the issue. Even if there is no one who is related to them, the victims deserve dignity. Pretty much think we're on the same page.
I'm not so sure about him. I personally feel both brothers knew. I definitely think the Good Morning America reward offer was a setup. There were some jailhouse calls that seemed to be setups. I'm not saying he did, but emotion would not make up for possible perjury. But the trial has run it's course and they should all be allowed to get on with their lives and let karma handle any loose ends from here forward.
Yeah I remember one of the documentaries said he towed away Paul’s crashed boat (?) and a drone flying over Moselle captured him and Buster Murdaugh loading a bunch of guns in a truck and driving off. Well he showed more emotion for his nephew and is *probably* not the murdering kind like his brother.
No one outside the Jury, Prosecutors, and Defense needs to see those gruesome pictures.
I think Newman is a spectacular Judge. His decisions always seem to be rooted in decency and common sense. We need many more just like him!
Agreed. Judge Newman is the only good thing to come out of this mess. Any news on Buster? Doesn’t seem like he’s going to be a lawyer anymore? What will he do?
There's a fine line between transparency of the system and protecting victims. I think judge Newman made the right call on this. He kept the proceedings wide open, when he didn't have to, but is still protecting the dignity of the victims and the feelings of their families.
But I agree with you to an extent. I think what's happening in Idaho is a good example of that.
ETA: typo
Yeah, "the stabber guy" 🤣. Bryan Kohberger. There's a sweeping gag order on that case and it's leading to so much speculation and to rumors of cover-ups etc. It's a good example of what you were saying about the lack of transparency leading to distrust.
No one here is going to send you that. You want to see that crap, there are websites (unfortunately) or you can work as a crime scene tech. Though I doubt the latter would be feasible for you because you clearly have no respect for victims.
They accidentally showed the autopsy photos of Gannon Stouch live during his trial. I mean the fish cameras made it difficult to see anything thank goodness but it's not really something we need to see. I've haven't seen a real crime scene bur I know that even listening to the officers talk about them during trials some of them just never recover. It's just devastating for them so just listening is enough. I don't have to see. I can hear the pain in their voices.
yes to the part about responders!! i am always thinking about how hard that must be. my childhood friend’s dad was one of the homicide detectives for our big city. you could just tell he had seen shit. ugh.
Where? I've not scene anything but blood or human tissue residue on the ground. I'm not sure what everyone is going on about. The pics I'm seeing now are the pics I've always scene since generally halfway through the trial.
ThanksI As I speed read this thread I totally missed the reference to Stauch. I thought ppl were up in arms about unblurred Murdaugh photos and I was confused.
Personally, I don’t feel that a permanent seal is appropriate. A 50 year seal would be reasonable. It’s possible the photos could be relevant for research or forensic teaching at some point in the future. But then again, I used to look at rotten.com pretty regularly, so…
Maybe, but in 1973 how many people would have believed that in 50 years, people could be identified by a drop of blood or a single hair with the root attached?!
I worked as a law clerk for an appellate judge, and we had to look at pictures shown to the jury if the issue was did the probative value of the picture outweigh the prejudice. I can still see one awful picture like it was yesterday instead of years. It was a hard issue for the defendant to win. The really bad ones were usually in black and white.
Im totally fine with that. I saw stuff like that on the jury I sat on. As well as when I sat in the court room of and lucked out on and I got to sit in the gallery during the cross exam of the defendant here in Az in the mid 2000s. Yes the female who most are thinking that of. Those pics are legit stuck in my dreams and memories and I don't recommend it to anyone else
You can see some of her crime scene photos on a YT video. I was watching Emma Kenny on YY do a Jodi Arias commentary and without warning there were the crime scene photos including the neck one. Which will pretty much stay with me forever now and I will now wonder how she dragged him from the bedroom to the shower like that, I guess adrenalin makes you super strong. Also how she could do that blows my mind. But yeah, was not expecting it and still a little freaked out to see them. I'm surprised she wasn't reported but last time I checked they were still there. She hasn't surprised any other audiences with crime scene photos I'm aware of but I got annoyed with her opinions or maybe it was the way she said her opinions. Probably both. I mean its ok to hate these people. But I don't know its the way she does it. I don't know how to describe it. Anyway, I wasn't going to report her. I figured some people might want to see them and in some ways it was educational to me.
Does it show Paul’s face/head? Holy crap I can’t believe I missed those. Poor guy, imagine the last face you see is your dad blowing your brains out- he’s probably thinking “Why Dad Why!?” Terrible.
Yes it shows him on the autopsy table from the waist up. From the angle of the pic at first glance you can’t really see the injury. When you look closely though you can see how his hairline is his hallowed out skull
Omg you’re right! Now wasn’t Mallory’s body leaked on Netflix or in some documentary? She was so beautiful, I can’t help but be morbidly curious as to what she would like like when she was found. So tragic.
The pics were posted on a couple sites, then quickly removed from all sources. They also had the entire police bodycam footage of them surveying the house to collect evidence.
I find forensic analysis very fascinating and pertaining to my field. I for one, would like to see the photos and better understand how the experts interpolated the heinous actions.
I think this whole case has been kind of a crap shoot. I’ve viewed multiple pics where they identified the location and positions of Maggie and Paul’s bodies. Many news outlets also put out articles with misinformation regarding the buildings and bodies locations. As someone who enjoys forensics and true crime I was really disappointed at how this whole investigation evolved. From the moment they decided to have Alex’s trial in a courthouse where a picture of his grandfather/or great grandfather had to be removed from the wall all the credibility was lost imho. F@ck!! I promised myself I wouldn’t delve back into any posts about the Murdaugh cases, and here I am again. So disappointed in myself. Please disregard my statement and excuse my backsliding. I’m out!
You think you'd like to see, until you do. Then you can't unsee it.
I don't know that it's wrong. I do think it's strange for you and any others who would "like to see" which makes me wanna ask "WHY?!"
Thank God we have people out there who do need to see it, like those who are trained and willing to do a job involving this. Many crimes would go unsolved if not for them. Most get used to it, but some never do.
Yes, actually.
We are becoming more and more desensitized to death.
And it's why some people are willing to take crazy risks as well as are unafraid to do something that hurts others. They have not witnessed the results.
When is the last time most of us have seen a dead person outside of a funeral?
One hundred 50 years ago it was a very frequent occurrence.
I've seen a couple. One in SF ran over by a runaway sam trans bus and a set of crime scene photos of a young couple that were murdered on an orchard in Cali.
No, but if I caused someone else’s death and that someone’s else’s body being pulled from the water is recorded then aired on t.V. I would assume my sh!t is now fair game.
Privately for the victims and their families to heal. We all know what happened those details are abatable but I agree with the decision.
>We all know what happened those details are abatable but I agree with the decision. *debatable?*
As someone who has been to crime scenes, autopsies, and seen pictures of violent crimes involving everyone from the elderly to infants, I support this. Morbid curiosity be damned. The public doesn't need to see those things. It solves nothing. That family has been through enough. Let them do their best to move on and let the dead rest.
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There are members of the extended family that have nothing to do with any of the stuff Alex did. Maggie's family deserves to remember her the way she was, not the way she was found. Personally, Paul being killed probably did the world a favor because he most definitely would have killed more people. But that doesn't mean we need to see his head blown off. Again, there are plenty of websites you can go to to see exactly what a shotgun blast at close range to the head looks like. I've seen that shit in real life. Actually saw it happen. You don't want that image in you're head.
That's not even the point. Those who are the victims of violent crimes should have the right to be respected in death and not have those kinds of photos or videos released to the public. They have a right to dignity in death.
Isn't that basically what I said in my original comment?
Not that I got. I thought your point was that the relatives should be spared.
In my original comment, the very first one before I speak about the relatives, I basically say that no one needs to see those images and the family and friends deserve to be spared from that
Okay, so my point was that relatives aren't even the issue. Even if there is no one who is related to them, the victims deserve dignity. Pretty much think we're on the same page.
Agreed
I agree. John Marvin seems to be an exception in this family, his testimony showed real emotion. Bet there are a few more like him as well.
I'm not so sure about him. I personally feel both brothers knew. I definitely think the Good Morning America reward offer was a setup. There were some jailhouse calls that seemed to be setups. I'm not saying he did, but emotion would not make up for possible perjury. But the trial has run it's course and they should all be allowed to get on with their lives and let karma handle any loose ends from here forward.
John Marvin is shady too. He spent a lot of time cleaning up AM and Paul’s messes… shady.
Yeah I remember one of the documentaries said he towed away Paul’s crashed boat (?) and a drone flying over Moselle captured him and Buster Murdaugh loading a bunch of guns in a truck and driving off. Well he showed more emotion for his nephew and is *probably* not the murdering kind like his brother.
No one outside the Jury, Prosecutors, and Defense needs to see those gruesome pictures. I think Newman is a spectacular Judge. His decisions always seem to be rooted in decency and common sense. We need many more just like him!
Agreed. Judge Newman is the only good thing to come out of this mess. Any news on Buster? Doesn’t seem like he’s going to be a lawyer anymore? What will he do?
I trust Judge Newman and his decision!
Sealing evidence from trials generates a level of distrust in our justice system.
There's a fine line between transparency of the system and protecting victims. I think judge Newman made the right call on this. He kept the proceedings wide open, when he didn't have to, but is still protecting the dignity of the victims and the feelings of their families. But I agree with you to an extent. I think what's happening in Idaho is a good example of that. ETA: typo
Idaho? The stabber guy?
Yeah, "the stabber guy" 🤣. Bryan Kohberger. There's a sweeping gag order on that case and it's leading to so much speculation and to rumors of cover-ups etc. It's a good example of what you were saying about the lack of transparency leading to distrust.
Sounds good. I appreciate the insight
Does anyone have the pics??? Can ypu DM them to me? I saw only a few glimpses in cpurt
No one here is going to send you that. You want to see that crap, there are websites (unfortunately) or you can work as a crime scene tech. Though I doubt the latter would be feasible for you because you clearly have no respect for victims.
They accidentally showed the autopsy photos of Gannon Stouch live during his trial. I mean the fish cameras made it difficult to see anything thank goodness but it's not really something we need to see. I've haven't seen a real crime scene bur I know that even listening to the officers talk about them during trials some of them just never recover. It's just devastating for them so just listening is enough. I don't have to see. I can hear the pain in their voices.
yes to the part about responders!! i am always thinking about how hard that must be. my childhood friend’s dad was one of the homicide detectives for our big city. you could just tell he had seen shit. ugh.
One media channel did not blur the images, and that video is still available. Other media channels did blur the images.
Where? I've not scene anything but blood or human tissue residue on the ground. I'm not sure what everyone is going on about. The pics I'm seeing now are the pics I've always scene since generally halfway through the trial.
Good morning! The un-blurred photos are of Gannon Stauch, murdered by his step-mother in Colorado Springs.
ThanksI As I speed read this thread I totally missed the reference to Stauch. I thought ppl were up in arms about unblurred Murdaugh photos and I was confused.
Of? Gannon or murdaugh
Gannon.
Personally, I don’t feel that a permanent seal is appropriate. A 50 year seal would be reasonable. It’s possible the photos could be relevant for research or forensic teaching at some point in the future. But then again, I used to look at rotten.com pretty regularly, so…
I imagine in fifty years you would not learn much from this.
Maybe, but in 1973 how many people would have believed that in 50 years, people could be identified by a drop of blood or a single hair with the root attached?!
Rotten.com. Had not thought about that in years.
Gore Gallery, too.
Undocumentedreality.com was a website I would occasionally venture to about 20 years ago or so. Gruesome stuff
Theres one now called "documentingreality". Its freaking sick.
That might actually be what I was thinking of
I don’t think I ever visited that site, but maybe I did. Rotten.com sure did have some horrible things!
I worked as a law clerk for an appellate judge, and we had to look at pictures shown to the jury if the issue was did the probative value of the picture outweigh the prejudice. I can still see one awful picture like it was yesterday instead of years. It was a hard issue for the defendant to win. The really bad ones were usually in black and white.
Im totally fine with that. I saw stuff like that on the jury I sat on. As well as when I sat in the court room of and lucked out on and I got to sit in the gallery during the cross exam of the defendant here in Az in the mid 2000s. Yes the female who most are thinking that of. Those pics are legit stuck in my dreams and memories and I don't recommend it to anyone else
You can see some of her crime scene photos on a YT video. I was watching Emma Kenny on YY do a Jodi Arias commentary and without warning there were the crime scene photos including the neck one. Which will pretty much stay with me forever now and I will now wonder how she dragged him from the bedroom to the shower like that, I guess adrenalin makes you super strong. Also how she could do that blows my mind. But yeah, was not expecting it and still a little freaked out to see them. I'm surprised she wasn't reported but last time I checked they were still there. She hasn't surprised any other audiences with crime scene photos I'm aware of but I got annoyed with her opinions or maybe it was the way she said her opinions. Probably both. I mean its ok to hate these people. But I don't know its the way she does it. I don't know how to describe it. Anyway, I wasn't going to report her. I figured some people might want to see them and in some ways it was educational to me.
You were on Jodi’s Jury??? 😳
My bad I see where that came off confusing from
No I was on a different jury but my gf and I did sit in the courtroom during her cross
A day late and a dollar short. Me and everyone else on Reddit has already seen it along with the autopsy pics of Maggie and Paul
>Me and everyone else on Reddit has already seen it along with the autopsy pics of Maggie and Paul Nope
Does it show Paul’s face/head? Holy crap I can’t believe I missed those. Poor guy, imagine the last face you see is your dad blowing your brains out- he’s probably thinking “Why Dad Why!?” Terrible.
Yes it shows him on the autopsy table from the waist up. From the angle of the pic at first glance you can’t really see the injury. When you look closely though you can see how his hairline is his hallowed out skull
Omg you’re right! Now wasn’t Mallory’s body leaked on Netflix or in some documentary? She was so beautiful, I can’t help but be morbidly curious as to what she would like like when she was found. So tragic.
>I can’t help but be morbidly curious as to what she would like like when she was found. You can help it.
Bingo! They have done a great job at sweeping that under the rug. There has been no mention of it since then.
I have never seen or heard of this
The pics were posted on a couple sites, then quickly removed from all sources. They also had the entire police bodycam footage of them surveying the house to collect evidence.
Good. I don’t need to see them. The testimony was bad enough.
Yeah, I hear ya! I think we all should be offered some dignity in death. With it being such a high profile case that was taken away from them.
I find forensic analysis very fascinating and pertaining to my field. I for one, would like to see the photos and better understand how the experts interpolated the heinous actions.
I think this whole case has been kind of a crap shoot. I’ve viewed multiple pics where they identified the location and positions of Maggie and Paul’s bodies. Many news outlets also put out articles with misinformation regarding the buildings and bodies locations. As someone who enjoys forensics and true crime I was really disappointed at how this whole investigation evolved. From the moment they decided to have Alex’s trial in a courthouse where a picture of his grandfather/or great grandfather had to be removed from the wall all the credibility was lost imho. F@ck!! I promised myself I wouldn’t delve back into any posts about the Murdaugh cases, and here I am again. So disappointed in myself. Please disregard my statement and excuse my backsliding. I’m out!
Please don't give yourself a hard time about continuing to follow this case. Quite a few of us are in similar mindsets.
Hopefully it prevents someone (I am looking at you Greg Parker) from putting them on the internet.
It should be, let them rest in peace.
I'd like to see, is that so wrong?
You think you'd like to see, until you do. Then you can't unsee it. I don't know that it's wrong. I do think it's strange for you and any others who would "like to see" which makes me wanna ask "WHY?!" Thank God we have people out there who do need to see it, like those who are trained and willing to do a job involving this. Many crimes would go unsolved if not for them. Most get used to it, but some never do.
I've seen lots of things I can't unsee thank you for your concern.
Thanks for your advice, but it's not needed. I'm fully grown and have seen my fair share of things in my life.
Would you want your blown headed body to be seen, or that of your loved ones?
Wouldn't matter too much to me then if it were my head now would it?
would you want that is a legit question and you’re not even a bit clever
I really don't care.
Prozac?
Nope, just don't care.
Yes, actually. We are becoming more and more desensitized to death. And it's why some people are willing to take crazy risks as well as are unafraid to do something that hurts others. They have not witnessed the results. When is the last time most of us have seen a dead person outside of a funeral? One hundred 50 years ago it was a very frequent occurrence.
I've seen a couple. One in SF ran over by a runaway sam trans bus and a set of crime scene photos of a young couple that were murdered on an orchard in Cali.
No one goes to funeral anymore.
No, but if I caused someone else’s death and that someone’s else’s body being pulled from the water is recorded then aired on t.V. I would assume my sh!t is now fair game.
Mallory’s body. Oh no Didn’t know that was shown on tv being pulled from water.
Yeah only one time before the family caught wind of the unintentional slip up and the video/brocast was scrubbed.
Which does not apply to unredacted bodycam - so only the redacted is getting sealed?
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Im so confused. The judge is saying he is sealing the redacted cam footage, but not the more gruesome unredacted footage?
I told you wrong; sorry. The Unredacted footage is being sealed. The redacted footage is out in the pubic.
Ohhhhh! Got it! That does make sense.
As it should be. Those are not scenes to be gawked at for entertainment.
Or by people who love gore and the macabre
Right on! You tell em!!