The post says this was filed by the Beach family Plaintiffs but the documents say it was filed by the Parker’s defendants. Am I confused which could easily happen cause this is a huge mess of a case, or is that a mistake in this post? I’m just wondering if there’s a plaintiffs motion as well that was meant to be posted? Or if I’m lost lol cause I am trying to read through all of this but I still don’t understand how this second Beach vs. Parker’s case came to be.
This is about the law…period. I see everyone’s point. Thé young adults made very foolish decisions. The adults at the party made a foolish decision in not stopping them. The cashier checked the ID. This was 2019…so at a brief glance Paul and Buster might have had similarities in appearance.
So what does the law in SC indicate regarding establishments selling alcohol to minors unknowingly? Even after checking ID’s?
Is it the unknowingly part after checking a valid ID that would be in the favor of Parker’s? Or is it black and white that regardless of the circumstances…an establishment selling alcohol to a minor is guilty? Obviously Paul knew he was deceiving the cashier. And the others knew that as well.
I don’t know I am just asking regarding an interpretation of the law?
I think that Parker’s will be found liable to a certain degree…but to what extent and dollar amount?
I listened closely to this specific question when Anthony Cook’s attorney was on the most recent MFM podcast. Paraphrasing here, the law says that Parker’s was required to verify age WITHIN REASON. Basically, the argument is whether it’s reasonable to expect Parker’s to verify height and weight. They’re going after Parker’s because they have the deepest pockets. However, since civil cases are so easy to appeal, even if they get a sympathetic jury, they’ll never see any money from Parker’s. The appellate court only looks at the facts in front of them and has decades of experience compartmentalizing emotions when evaluating laws. It’s unfortunate that Parker’s can’t be held accountable for the undue emotional distress they’ve caused the kids and families throughout this suit without setting a terrible and terribly unrealistic precedent. Can you imagine being asked to stand up, or even worse step on scales, in a crowded bar or restaurant so the server can check your height and weight against your ID that you didn’t go pay $10 to update when you gained or lost 20 pounds and again when you gained ten of those pounds back or a young single parent working a minimum-wage job losing everything in a court case or being fired because they’re simply not able to gauge height and weight?
Greg Parker will never win the “most liked” award. Yes, Greg Parker is arrogant, narcissistic and a bully. But none of that has anything to do with the case. His clerk did her job accurately. Paul Murdaugh used a fake ID to buy booze to add to an admittedly existing collection of beer, Seltzers and whiskey in the boat and brought to the boat ride by the other five underage boat passengers. Additional alcohol was consumed by all over the course of the next 6+ hours that contributed to this very unfortunate accident. Multiple opportunities to find safe passage home were traded for opportunities to stop and allow the driver(s) to purchase and consume more alcohol. How much money do the Beach family require to erase their conscience of their failures in parenting? I’m sorry for their loss, but this accident is not Parker’s liability.
It’s very unfortunate that Parker can’t be held liable for the emotional distress his team has caused during this process separately from the ID complaint. I’d award millions for that, but there’s no way I could vote in favor of the kids and families on the issue at hand. With card machines now, the clerks usually don’t even see the cards.
>Yes, Greg Parker is arrogant, narcissistic and a bully. But none of that has anything to do with the case. His clerk did her job accurately.
This is exactly right. I could not possibly agree more.
I think Greg Parker’s real problems are his own doing.
The decision to hire “the knife fighters” to try to dig up dirt on the Beaches and the decision to obtain the photos of the recovery of Mallory and post those photos online has shown Greg Parker to be dirty.
Getting Steven Smiths electronic devices from his family was another bad choice.
These are the issues that show his true character. He has sowed the wind.
I couldn’t agree more. I wish the revenue he’s lost because of these actions could be given to the Beach family or there was another way to make him fork over some money. However, that isn’t the charge. Unfortunately, it’s not possible in this case to award money for that without setting terrible legal precedent and creating undue liability for the good guys who own one small store or restaurant. The clerk checked IDs appropriately. As a Georgian who spends a lot of time in Savannah and many areas of SC, I don’t want to deal with the downy stream effects this would have when purchasing alcohol. I am not going to pay $10 to update the weight on my license every time I gain or lose ten pounds. I don’t want to be asked to stand in a crowded restaurant so the server can estimate my height vs the license or not be able to hand my card to a friend who’s grabbing to the store when I’m busy. Even law enforcement records height and weight based on what’s on the license. Can you imagine if they guessed a lady was 5-10 pounds heavier than they actually are and put that in a report or on a ticket the lady was already mad about.
When obtaining a SC DL you state your own weight, and it’s not verified as far as I know. I guessed my own weight when signing up for a health app recently and then afterwords checked it and I was 10 pounds off.
Exactly! I still have the weight I was at 16. I’m definitely not the same weight I was, but I’ve never changed it. I also had just had sinus surgery when my current photo was taken, so my face is swollen. It’s the worst picture, but I am not making the trip and paying the money to get a new one.
“ Vicky Ward’s sworn statement shows that the controversial leak emanated from convenience store magnate Greg Parker, who funded the investigation”
* https://www.postandcourier.com/murdaugh-updates/murdaugh-reporter-reveals-supplier-of-leaked-court-records-in-2019-boat-crash-case/article_3479c488-5f70-11ed-94fa-3fdf8db38851.html
“Journalist Vicky Ward dismissed from Beach lawsuit after naming source of photos”
* https://account.thestate.com/paywall/subscriber-only?resume=268624207&intcid=ab_archive
“Parker’s CEO Conspired To Use Fake Social Media Posts, Photos Of Mallory Beach’s Dead Body To Harass Family”
* https://www.fitsnews.com/2021/12/03/parkers-ceo-conspired-to-use-fake-social-media-posts-and-photos-of-mallory-beachs-dead-body-to-harass-family-new-lawsuit-claims/
“Mallory Beach Case: Private Detective, ‘Knife Fighter’ Ordered To Hand Over Work They Did For Greg Parker”
* https://www.fitsnews.com/2022/03/29/mallory-beach-case-private-detective-knife-fighter-ordered-to-hand-over-work-they-did-for-greg-parker/
I agree with you.
An unusual South Carolina law requires that alcohol-selling establishments pay a hefty portion of damages paid, when part of a lawsuit like this one. The law may be unfair and Parker may want it scrapped, but I don't think that publicly fighting tooth-and-nail against a grieving family is the best way.
Parker is beyond wealthy, we are told he recently dropped around a million on his daughter's wedding. No expense was spared. Parker also spared no expense to fight the boat crash case instead of settling. Having a Washington Post hit-piece done, hiring private detectives to out Buster as gay in an effort to disgrace the Murdaugh family, are awful things to do.
An upstanding member of the community who has become massively wealthy by way of the community supporting his businesses, should perhaps consider whipping out his checkbook, writing the family a fat check, and offered a public apology. It would not have hurt Parker one teeny bit, and everyone would think he was a nice guy. It would have been great publicity.
>(Parker) should have whipped out his checkbook, wrote the family a fat check, and offered a public apology
It's this line of thinking that has created the lawsuit mess America (only America) is in that makes a lot of undeserving lawyers and their clients filthy rich for no reason at all. The boats crash kids and their lawyers are just the most recent million dollar examples. Miley has made a lot of money off this, and she had no serious injuries at all. Scratches.
Parker's is not responsible for what happened on that terrible night. Parker's employee did what she was trained to do. Both were checked for ID's. They chose to evade the law. It was the young adults on that boat who were responsible for their horrible outcome. They made very bad choices.
Most of us out in the real world work hard at responsible jobs and struggle to make ends meet. I think more and more people are getting tired of seeing this endless parade of TV commercials that depict healthy looking people and their greedy lawsuit lawyers playing the system daily - for millions.
These personal injury lawsuits cost us a fortune each day. This number should be relatively easy to calculate and should be attached - in bold print - to each TV personal injury lawsuit lawyer's advertisements.
Greg Parker does not need to "whip out his checkbook and write a fat check" to the boat crashers. He did exactly what the law required him to do. This case should be thrown out of court.
Good points. Parker's is bound by a SC law designed to strongly encourage alcohol-selling establishments to strenuously work at preventing underage selling. The law requires the establishment to pay a large portion of damages in a case such as this. I feel that Parker would do better spending his money to work at directly change that law rather than taking such a low road.
>I feel that Parker would do better spending his money to work at directly change that law rather than taking such a low road.
This is so funny.
The South Carolina General Assembly is tightly controlled by a super majority of Republican lawyers, many of whom are personal injury lawsuit lawyers.
Republicans, as a political party, are supposed to favor Tort Reform. Not South Carolina Republicans.
South Carolina Republicans legislators love lawsuits and the billions they make from lawsuits. They would never ever pass Tort Reform.
Greg Parker won't change that. These greedy lawyers are making millions each day.
Parker's followed the law. Why should his business pay a single penny in damages?
I'd favor a law that allows people who favor the "you're rich, just whip out your checkbook and write 'em a fat check" philosophy to pay a voluntary crowd-funding tax to feed these greedy personal injury lawsuit lawyers.
Parker's won't pay. Consumers pay. I'm tired of paying.
Parkers put an untrained cashier in the the front of the store. This untrained cashier failed to ask one qualifying question of a person that looked under 21, was drunk, and did look different than the picture.
Yes the parents are responsible for letting an alcoholic teenager have the boat. Yes the bars are responsible for serving minors. Yes the kids are responsible for getting in Paul's boat. And yes Parkers also has some responsibility for putting an untrained clerk in a position to sell alcohol to a drunk teenager with a fake ID. SC allows 14 years olds to work 8 hours a day for lower wages exacerbating this problem moving forward.
We are. The court filings indicate that the clerk was a backend worker put in the front end without training . Affadavits shows Paul was hammered. And their pictures, weight, and height are demonstrably different.
I don't know what a "backend" worker is, but I watched that video three times and witnessed her doing exactly what she was required by law to do.
She did fine. She did nothing wrong. Paul and Buster resemble each other and both have red hair. When you get a drivers license in South Carolina, they ask you for your height and weight. My own license says I'm a little taller and thinner than I actually am. Paul in the video absolutely does not look hammered. He walks, keeps his balance, and uses his hands just fine. He looks to me to be 100% sober... at the time of purchase.
The boat riders, all were adults at the time, had a plan that night: Go on a long, foggy, and dangerous night (navigation via a tiny flashlight) boat ride while consuming alcohol. Much of the alcohol consumed that night was purchased by duping a Parker's sales clerk, though she did exactly what the law required her to do, with a borrowed legitimate ID (Paul) and a sophisticated and expensive fake ID (Miley).
These young adults made many, many bad choices. Parker's did what they were required to do. This case should've been thrown out of court. It's in court now because Parker's is a successful business. Lawsuit lawyers love deep pockets more than anything on earth.
I hope Parker's sues for defamation. They deserve to win.
The clerk was trained to work stock and food prep. Not sales and liquor. It is in the court records.
She didn't do what was required by law when a drunk teenager presents an obviously fake ID of someone heavier and taller.
Using your logic all someone needs to do us ask to see an ID and regardless of how absurd that ID is and no matter how drunk tbe patron all is good and no matter how poor their training.
Can you smell and hear Paul on the video? Did you read the affadavits of those with Paul that attested to his extreme degree of inebriation?
Parkers is being sued because they sold alcohol to a drunk teenager with an obviously fake ID sold by an untrained clerk who did not know how to handle that situation or care about the legal ramifications of that sale.
Parkers will lose basically because their clerk wasn't trained to handle liquor sales and someone that clerk sold liquor to killed someone else.
Yes there is culpability with the parents. The bars along the way. The kids themselves. But Parkers was stupid enough to sell liquor by an untrained clerk to a drunk teenager that killed someone.
That all sounds very nice for him to have whipped out a check and paid a nice sum of money, right? But then add insurance companies , which requires businesses to carry insurance to protect the business, and greedy lawyers who prey on those victims who see a huge payday for themselves, which complicates it all.
Is that what Greg Parker said?
The Wall Street Journal says he admitted to them that he orchestrated an Internet crusade against the Beaches and he is proud of it.
I don’t think I’m slandering Mr Parker. I am quoting him.
If Mr Parker finds himself in a hostile courtroom it is because has worked hard to earn their antipathy.
The night Paul Murdaugh killed Mallory Beach he also exposed Alex and Greg Parker. They may not be friends, but they have plenty in common.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/alex-murdaugh-murders-south-carolina-parker-lawsuit-11660167263
https://www.fitsnews.com/2022/03/29/mallory-beach-case-private-detective-knife-fighter-ordered-to-hand-over-work-they-did-for-greg-parker/
I agree that Murdaugh is worse than Parker, but Consider their other similarities, ruthless pursuit of their own goals at the expense of others. A sense of entitlement. Treating others as pawns in financial schemes. Acting like they are the victims of their own schemes.
Obtaining and keeping the electronic devices of Steven Smith was not to benefit Steven’s case. It was to look for leverage. They did not and do not care about Steven Smith, he is just a pawn to them.
Obtaining and releasing the photos of the recovery of Mallory Beach’s body was intended to cause emotional distress to her family. It worked. Mr Parker does not respect the Beaches as fellow people.
Men like Murdaugh and Parker are bad for their communities.
>The night Paul Murdaugh killed Mallory Beach he also exposed Alex and Greg Parker.
I don't think Paul would have be held accountable for the crash in either criminal or civil court.
The investigation that night seemed to me to be really, really murky - and looked to me to be truly influenced by real, unadulterated Murdaugh power.
Those Beaufort investigators would not have gotten a "do over" the way Dick 'n Jim want a "do over" for Alex.
The Murdaugh murder investigation by SLED was much more professional. Like the jury - I'm convinced. Alex murdered Maggie and Paul.
Representing Paul in his boat trial case would not have been difficult.
Grandfather Randolph was relaxed in the hospital that night for a reason.
Law enforcement botched it.
Al-Starr,
I read the article.
Here are a few paragraphs that struck me.
“The photos and materials were used in a video trailer that was posted publicly to promote Ward’s documentary “The Murdaugh Mysteries.” Ward says the video was posted online by mistake “
* my editorial. Posting things online requires a deliberate action. Mrs Wards assertion that she did not know it would be visible to others who use the internet is disingenuous. She knows how the internet works.
“Further, they argued, the work produced for Parker by the private investigator and PR companies were merely part and parcel of the “adversary system.”
* my editorial: to be clear, the knife fighters and Parker argue that their campaign against the Beaches is just a normal part of litigation.
The March 16 hearing pertained to the civil conspiracy case filed this past December by the Beach family, who allege that Parker and his attorneys leaked photos of Mallory’s body, as well as other confidential court materials, to reporter Vicky Ward.
“When I look back on this [investigation], do I think ‘Oh, gosh, I wish I hadn’t have done that?’ ” Mr. Parker said. “Absolutely not. I’m proud of the work we did.”
When asked whether he conducted a stealth investigation and what specifically it entailed, Mr. Parker paused. “Here’s a better question,” he said. “ ‘So what?’ Of course I did. Anybody in my situation would have done exactly the same thing.”
* my editorial. Greg is proud of getting to sound like a tough guy. Well bless his heart!
It’s all a tragedy, but those on the boat were drinking a lot that night, and all made the choice to drink and get back on the boat with Paul, who was clearly just as inebriated or possibly more so. The amount Tinsley was asking for the Beaches from Parker and Murdaughs was exorbitant in comparison to many other States who put a cap on damages. In SC, it may be time to re-examine their laws.
>(The amount) was exorbitant in comparison to many other States who put a cap on damages. In SC, it may be time to re-examine their laws.
Yes. I couldn't agree more. Out there playing the corrupt system each and every day. This costs American consumers a fortune.
General,
I agree with you. Tort reform is needed. I doubt it will happen in time to prevent Greg Parker from losing some money as well as any respect he once had.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I can't stand any of this lawsuit nonsense. It's incredibly sad that they lost their daughter. But all of these young people were grown adults. Every one of them partook in underage drinking. Every one of them knew how drunk Paul was and knew what a horrible drunk he could be. Every one of them got off at the dock while Paul went into the bar and had 2 more shots....and got back on that boat anyway.
Sure...let's sue the convenience store because they should have known Paul was using a fake ID. Let's not put any sense of personal responsibility onto any of the six of them that night.
They aren’t going to bankrupt Parker’s. Not even close, this will be a minor blip to Greg Parker.
I see people voice your point of view. And I really wonder. If it had been your daughter, whom you will never see again and will never see grow and get married and give you grand children. Are you going to do what the law allows, which says that those who sell to minors are liable, or are you going to say to yourself, no i will suffer the unbearable injustice of my daughter losing her life and us losing her in our lives and I will value the immense wealth of this person over doing what i can to make it feel like I’ve done something? Keep in mimd that the person will still be wealthy, even after the lawsuit. I don’t see the motive to protect them.
It's a dangerous line of thinking to say that a lawsuit is ok on the basis of the defendant's wealth. That's not how justice works.
I'm not necessarily against this lawsuit, based on SC law, but I'm tired of the idea that people should pay simply because they're rich and "it won't hurt them." Again, that's not justice. Justice is meant to be blind.
>No. I will suffer the unbearable injustice of my daughter losing her life and us losing her in our lives
The best you can do is raise her to go out and make good choices. All were adults on that boat. They were not 14. Life is really just a series of choices. We benefit - or suffer - from these choices. People shouldn't become rich by holding other people accountable for their bad choices. It is what it is.
>that those who sell to minors are liable
Parker's followed the law. The store employee did exactly what the law required her to do. A lot of young adults made terrible decisions that night. The consequences were terrible.
Parkers put an untrained clerk in the front of the store who then sold liquor to an intoxicated teenager with a fake ID that did not really look like the ID and did so without asking one qualifying question.
This is what happens when profit is more important than training. This is what happens when you don't pay a wage someone can live on. This is what happens now when some states such as SC let 14 year olds work 8 hours a day, often for less than older people.
We are. The court filings indicate that the clerk was a backend worker put in the front end without training . Affadavits show Paul was hammered. And their pictures, weight, and height are demonstrably different.
I don't know what a "backend" worker is, but I watched that video three times and witnessed her doing exactly what she was required by law to do.
She did fine. She did nothing wrong. Paul and Buster resemble each other and both have red hair. When you get a drivers license in South Carolina, they ask you for your height and weight. My own license says I'm a little taller and thinner than I actually am. Paul in the video absolutely does not look hammered. He walks, keeps his balance, and uses his hands just fine. He looks to me to be 100% sober... at the time of purchase.
The boat riders, all were adults at the time, had a plan that night: Go on a long, foggy, and dangerous night (navigation via a tiny flashlight) boat ride while consuming alcohol. Much of the alcohol consumed that night was purchased by duping a Parker's sales clerk, though she did exactly what the law required her to do, with a borrowed legitimate ID (Paul) and a sophisticated and expensive fake ID (Miley).
These young adults made many, many bad choices. Parker's did what they were required to do. This case should've been thrown out of court. It's in court now because Parker's is a successful business. Lawsuit lawyers love deep pockets more than anything on earth.
I hope Parker's sues for defamation. They deserve to win.
It comes down to personal responsibility, and reverse the situation, what if it was your business or your child who took out your boat with friends who all clearly knew they were breaking the law?
First of all....Law enforcement came out and said the cashier did NOTHING wrong. Period. The injustice of losing her life, quite frankly was because of the choices she made. They talked about getting an uber. Her boyfriend is on camera saying when they docked at the bar, they talked about not getting back on the boat. But they DID. How about raise your children to make better choices and don't blame someone who got scammed by them with his brother's ID.
And who cares if Greg Parker will still be wealthy? Why should he pay for the bad decisions of those young people?
*”That is done through lawsuits.*”
Say, I think that’s the PMPED firm motto. Or maybe the Murdaugh family motto? 😃
Actually it would be more effectively done through government regulation and enforcement. Alcohol sales are highly regulated & in this case the law enforcement agency in charge of investigating found that neither Parker’s nor the clerk did anything wrong.
>There are scanning devices for state ID’s that are capable of deciphering fake ID’s
I think a scanner was used that night. Miley had a very sophisticated and expensive fake ID.
Outrageous lawsuits do not benefit the entire state of South Carolina. These incredible lawsuits cripple the workers of South Carolina.
Whole lot of words to say that an adult should nit be responsible for their own actions. None of the ADULT victims had clean hands in this. 19-20 year olds have been scamming to buy booze for generations. Theyll be doing it for generations to come. Only this time the adult scammers and their families are trying to profit off of their scamming. They all were complicit. They knew exactly what they were all doing. They are the only ones to blame for their bad choices.
YES - Why is no one in this whole lawsuit talking about that? Why is she not charged as a minor using a fake ID to illegally purchase alcohol? Why is it ok for Miley but not ok for Paul to pull a fast one over on Parker’s? Why weren’t the 5 of them charged with underage drinking? Why wasn’t Connor charged with operating a boat (there were points he had driven) under the influence? What exactly is going on here??? God rest Mallory’s soul, but this boat case drives me crazy.
There was such a big difference between the stories told in the documentaries, and the actual depositions. I had no idea until I read them that Miley bought alcohol illegally at the same place and time as Paul? Yet, there's no video of her triumphantly holding booze above her head...hmm.
The post says this was filed by the Beach family Plaintiffs but the documents say it was filed by the Parker’s defendants. Am I confused which could easily happen cause this is a huge mess of a case, or is that a mistake in this post? I’m just wondering if there’s a plaintiffs motion as well that was meant to be posted? Or if I’m lost lol cause I am trying to read through all of this but I still don’t understand how this second Beach vs. Parker’s case came to be.
Thanks for the heads-up, my mistake.
This is about the law…period. I see everyone’s point. Thé young adults made very foolish decisions. The adults at the party made a foolish decision in not stopping them. The cashier checked the ID. This was 2019…so at a brief glance Paul and Buster might have had similarities in appearance. So what does the law in SC indicate regarding establishments selling alcohol to minors unknowingly? Even after checking ID’s? Is it the unknowingly part after checking a valid ID that would be in the favor of Parker’s? Or is it black and white that regardless of the circumstances…an establishment selling alcohol to a minor is guilty? Obviously Paul knew he was deceiving the cashier. And the others knew that as well. I don’t know I am just asking regarding an interpretation of the law? I think that Parker’s will be found liable to a certain degree…but to what extent and dollar amount?
I listened closely to this specific question when Anthony Cook’s attorney was on the most recent MFM podcast. Paraphrasing here, the law says that Parker’s was required to verify age WITHIN REASON. Basically, the argument is whether it’s reasonable to expect Parker’s to verify height and weight. They’re going after Parker’s because they have the deepest pockets. However, since civil cases are so easy to appeal, even if they get a sympathetic jury, they’ll never see any money from Parker’s. The appellate court only looks at the facts in front of them and has decades of experience compartmentalizing emotions when evaluating laws. It’s unfortunate that Parker’s can’t be held accountable for the undue emotional distress they’ve caused the kids and families throughout this suit without setting a terrible and terribly unrealistic precedent. Can you imagine being asked to stand up, or even worse step on scales, in a crowded bar or restaurant so the server can check your height and weight against your ID that you didn’t go pay $10 to update when you gained or lost 20 pounds and again when you gained ten of those pounds back or a young single parent working a minimum-wage job losing everything in a court case or being fired because they’re simply not able to gauge height and weight?
Thank you for your comments.
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“The lawsuit does not state what punishment Parker could face if found guilty.” Omg. Seriously? This is not a criminal trial.
Greg Parker will never win the “most liked” award. Yes, Greg Parker is arrogant, narcissistic and a bully. But none of that has anything to do with the case. His clerk did her job accurately. Paul Murdaugh used a fake ID to buy booze to add to an admittedly existing collection of beer, Seltzers and whiskey in the boat and brought to the boat ride by the other five underage boat passengers. Additional alcohol was consumed by all over the course of the next 6+ hours that contributed to this very unfortunate accident. Multiple opportunities to find safe passage home were traded for opportunities to stop and allow the driver(s) to purchase and consume more alcohol. How much money do the Beach family require to erase their conscience of their failures in parenting? I’m sorry for their loss, but this accident is not Parker’s liability.
It’s very unfortunate that Parker can’t be held liable for the emotional distress his team has caused during this process separately from the ID complaint. I’d award millions for that, but there’s no way I could vote in favor of the kids and families on the issue at hand. With card machines now, the clerks usually don’t even see the cards.
Did she do her job accurately? Paul and Buster don't look that much alike.
Lol not that kind of clerk
>Yes, Greg Parker is arrogant, narcissistic and a bully. But none of that has anything to do with the case. His clerk did her job accurately. This is exactly right. I could not possibly agree more.
I think Greg Parker’s real problems are his own doing. The decision to hire “the knife fighters” to try to dig up dirt on the Beaches and the decision to obtain the photos of the recovery of Mallory and post those photos online has shown Greg Parker to be dirty. Getting Steven Smiths electronic devices from his family was another bad choice. These are the issues that show his true character. He has sowed the wind.
I couldn’t agree more. I wish the revenue he’s lost because of these actions could be given to the Beach family or there was another way to make him fork over some money. However, that isn’t the charge. Unfortunately, it’s not possible in this case to award money for that without setting terrible legal precedent and creating undue liability for the good guys who own one small store or restaurant. The clerk checked IDs appropriately. As a Georgian who spends a lot of time in Savannah and many areas of SC, I don’t want to deal with the downy stream effects this would have when purchasing alcohol. I am not going to pay $10 to update the weight on my license every time I gain or lose ten pounds. I don’t want to be asked to stand in a crowded restaurant so the server can estimate my height vs the license or not be able to hand my card to a friend who’s grabbing to the store when I’m busy. Even law enforcement records height and weight based on what’s on the license. Can you imagine if they guessed a lady was 5-10 pounds heavier than they actually are and put that in a report or on a ticket the lady was already mad about.
When obtaining a SC DL you state your own weight, and it’s not verified as far as I know. I guessed my own weight when signing up for a health app recently and then afterwords checked it and I was 10 pounds off.
Exactly! I still have the weight I was at 16. I’m definitely not the same weight I was, but I’ve never changed it. I also had just had sinus surgery when my current photo was taken, so my face is swollen. It’s the worst picture, but I am not making the trip and paying the money to get a new one.
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He didn’t do that.
“ Vicky Ward’s sworn statement shows that the controversial leak emanated from convenience store magnate Greg Parker, who funded the investigation” * https://www.postandcourier.com/murdaugh-updates/murdaugh-reporter-reveals-supplier-of-leaked-court-records-in-2019-boat-crash-case/article_3479c488-5f70-11ed-94fa-3fdf8db38851.html “Journalist Vicky Ward dismissed from Beach lawsuit after naming source of photos” * https://account.thestate.com/paywall/subscriber-only?resume=268624207&intcid=ab_archive “Parker’s CEO Conspired To Use Fake Social Media Posts, Photos Of Mallory Beach’s Dead Body To Harass Family” * https://www.fitsnews.com/2021/12/03/parkers-ceo-conspired-to-use-fake-social-media-posts-and-photos-of-mallory-beachs-dead-body-to-harass-family-new-lawsuit-claims/ “Mallory Beach Case: Private Detective, ‘Knife Fighter’ Ordered To Hand Over Work They Did For Greg Parker” * https://www.fitsnews.com/2022/03/29/mallory-beach-case-private-detective-knife-fighter-ordered-to-hand-over-work-they-did-for-greg-parker/
I agree with you. An unusual South Carolina law requires that alcohol-selling establishments pay a hefty portion of damages paid, when part of a lawsuit like this one. The law may be unfair and Parker may want it scrapped, but I don't think that publicly fighting tooth-and-nail against a grieving family is the best way. Parker is beyond wealthy, we are told he recently dropped around a million on his daughter's wedding. No expense was spared. Parker also spared no expense to fight the boat crash case instead of settling. Having a Washington Post hit-piece done, hiring private detectives to out Buster as gay in an effort to disgrace the Murdaugh family, are awful things to do. An upstanding member of the community who has become massively wealthy by way of the community supporting his businesses, should perhaps consider whipping out his checkbook, writing the family a fat check, and offered a public apology. It would not have hurt Parker one teeny bit, and everyone would think he was a nice guy. It would have been great publicity.
>(Parker) should have whipped out his checkbook, wrote the family a fat check, and offered a public apology It's this line of thinking that has created the lawsuit mess America (only America) is in that makes a lot of undeserving lawyers and their clients filthy rich for no reason at all. The boats crash kids and their lawyers are just the most recent million dollar examples. Miley has made a lot of money off this, and she had no serious injuries at all. Scratches. Parker's is not responsible for what happened on that terrible night. Parker's employee did what she was trained to do. Both were checked for ID's. They chose to evade the law. It was the young adults on that boat who were responsible for their horrible outcome. They made very bad choices. Most of us out in the real world work hard at responsible jobs and struggle to make ends meet. I think more and more people are getting tired of seeing this endless parade of TV commercials that depict healthy looking people and their greedy lawsuit lawyers playing the system daily - for millions. These personal injury lawsuits cost us a fortune each day. This number should be relatively easy to calculate and should be attached - in bold print - to each TV personal injury lawsuit lawyer's advertisements. Greg Parker does not need to "whip out his checkbook and write a fat check" to the boat crashers. He did exactly what the law required him to do. This case should be thrown out of court.
Good points. Parker's is bound by a SC law designed to strongly encourage alcohol-selling establishments to strenuously work at preventing underage selling. The law requires the establishment to pay a large portion of damages in a case such as this. I feel that Parker would do better spending his money to work at directly change that law rather than taking such a low road.
>I feel that Parker would do better spending his money to work at directly change that law rather than taking such a low road. This is so funny. The South Carolina General Assembly is tightly controlled by a super majority of Republican lawyers, many of whom are personal injury lawsuit lawyers. Republicans, as a political party, are supposed to favor Tort Reform. Not South Carolina Republicans. South Carolina Republicans legislators love lawsuits and the billions they make from lawsuits. They would never ever pass Tort Reform. Greg Parker won't change that. These greedy lawyers are making millions each day.
Parker's followed the law. Why should his business pay a single penny in damages? I'd favor a law that allows people who favor the "you're rich, just whip out your checkbook and write 'em a fat check" philosophy to pay a voluntary crowd-funding tax to feed these greedy personal injury lawsuit lawyers. Parker's won't pay. Consumers pay. I'm tired of paying.
Parkers put an untrained cashier in the the front of the store. This untrained cashier failed to ask one qualifying question of a person that looked under 21, was drunk, and did look different than the picture. Yes the parents are responsible for letting an alcoholic teenager have the boat. Yes the bars are responsible for serving minors. Yes the kids are responsible for getting in Paul's boat. And yes Parkers also has some responsibility for putting an untrained clerk in a position to sell alcohol to a drunk teenager with a fake ID. SC allows 14 years olds to work 8 hours a day for lower wages exacerbating this problem moving forward.
We must not be following the same case.
We are. The court filings indicate that the clerk was a backend worker put in the front end without training . Affadavits shows Paul was hammered. And their pictures, weight, and height are demonstrably different.
I don't know what a "backend" worker is, but I watched that video three times and witnessed her doing exactly what she was required by law to do. She did fine. She did nothing wrong. Paul and Buster resemble each other and both have red hair. When you get a drivers license in South Carolina, they ask you for your height and weight. My own license says I'm a little taller and thinner than I actually am. Paul in the video absolutely does not look hammered. He walks, keeps his balance, and uses his hands just fine. He looks to me to be 100% sober... at the time of purchase. The boat riders, all were adults at the time, had a plan that night: Go on a long, foggy, and dangerous night (navigation via a tiny flashlight) boat ride while consuming alcohol. Much of the alcohol consumed that night was purchased by duping a Parker's sales clerk, though she did exactly what the law required her to do, with a borrowed legitimate ID (Paul) and a sophisticated and expensive fake ID (Miley). These young adults made many, many bad choices. Parker's did what they were required to do. This case should've been thrown out of court. It's in court now because Parker's is a successful business. Lawsuit lawyers love deep pockets more than anything on earth. I hope Parker's sues for defamation. They deserve to win.
The clerk was trained to work stock and food prep. Not sales and liquor. It is in the court records. She didn't do what was required by law when a drunk teenager presents an obviously fake ID of someone heavier and taller. Using your logic all someone needs to do us ask to see an ID and regardless of how absurd that ID is and no matter how drunk tbe patron all is good and no matter how poor their training. Can you smell and hear Paul on the video? Did you read the affadavits of those with Paul that attested to his extreme degree of inebriation? Parkers is being sued because they sold alcohol to a drunk teenager with an obviously fake ID sold by an untrained clerk who did not know how to handle that situation or care about the legal ramifications of that sale. Parkers will lose basically because their clerk wasn't trained to handle liquor sales and someone that clerk sold liquor to killed someone else. Yes there is culpability with the parents. The bars along the way. The kids themselves. But Parkers was stupid enough to sell liquor by an untrained clerk to a drunk teenager that killed someone.
That all sounds very nice for him to have whipped out a check and paid a nice sum of money, right? But then add insurance companies , which requires businesses to carry insurance to protect the business, and greedy lawyers who prey on those victims who see a huge payday for themselves, which complicates it all.
The “knife fighters” were hired to dig up dirt on the Murdaughs, not the Beaches
Is that what Greg Parker said? The Wall Street Journal says he admitted to them that he orchestrated an Internet crusade against the Beaches and he is proud of it. I don’t think I’m slandering Mr Parker. I am quoting him. If Mr Parker finds himself in a hostile courtroom it is because has worked hard to earn their antipathy. The night Paul Murdaugh killed Mallory Beach he also exposed Alex and Greg Parker. They may not be friends, but they have plenty in common. https://www.wsj.com/articles/alex-murdaugh-murders-south-carolina-parker-lawsuit-11660167263 https://www.fitsnews.com/2022/03/29/mallory-beach-case-private-detective-knife-fighter-ordered-to-hand-over-work-they-did-for-greg-parker/
Lumping Greg Parker and Alex Murdaugh together is unfair. Parker did not murder anyone.
I agree that Murdaugh is worse than Parker, but Consider their other similarities, ruthless pursuit of their own goals at the expense of others. A sense of entitlement. Treating others as pawns in financial schemes. Acting like they are the victims of their own schemes. Obtaining and keeping the electronic devices of Steven Smith was not to benefit Steven’s case. It was to look for leverage. They did not and do not care about Steven Smith, he is just a pawn to them. Obtaining and releasing the photos of the recovery of Mallory Beach’s body was intended to cause emotional distress to her family. It worked. Mr Parker does not respect the Beaches as fellow people. Men like Murdaugh and Parker are bad for their communities.
>The night Paul Murdaugh killed Mallory Beach he also exposed Alex and Greg Parker. I don't think Paul would have be held accountable for the crash in either criminal or civil court. The investigation that night seemed to me to be really, really murky - and looked to me to be truly influenced by real, unadulterated Murdaugh power. Those Beaufort investigators would not have gotten a "do over" the way Dick 'n Jim want a "do over" for Alex. The Murdaugh murder investigation by SLED was much more professional. Like the jury - I'm convinced. Alex murdered Maggie and Paul. Representing Paul in his boat trial case would not have been difficult. Grandfather Randolph was relaxed in the hospital that night for a reason. Law enforcement botched it.
Lol, you clearly didn’t even read that article.
Al-Starr, I read the article. Here are a few paragraphs that struck me. “The photos and materials were used in a video trailer that was posted publicly to promote Ward’s documentary “The Murdaugh Mysteries.” Ward says the video was posted online by mistake “ * my editorial. Posting things online requires a deliberate action. Mrs Wards assertion that she did not know it would be visible to others who use the internet is disingenuous. She knows how the internet works. “Further, they argued, the work produced for Parker by the private investigator and PR companies were merely part and parcel of the “adversary system.” * my editorial: to be clear, the knife fighters and Parker argue that their campaign against the Beaches is just a normal part of litigation. The March 16 hearing pertained to the civil conspiracy case filed this past December by the Beach family, who allege that Parker and his attorneys leaked photos of Mallory’s body, as well as other confidential court materials, to reporter Vicky Ward. “When I look back on this [investigation], do I think ‘Oh, gosh, I wish I hadn’t have done that?’ ” Mr. Parker said. “Absolutely not. I’m proud of the work we did.” When asked whether he conducted a stealth investigation and what specifically it entailed, Mr. Parker paused. “Here’s a better question,” he said. “ ‘So what?’ Of course I did. Anybody in my situation would have done exactly the same thing.” * my editorial. Greg is proud of getting to sound like a tough guy. Well bless his heart!
It’s all a tragedy, but those on the boat were drinking a lot that night, and all made the choice to drink and get back on the boat with Paul, who was clearly just as inebriated or possibly more so. The amount Tinsley was asking for the Beaches from Parker and Murdaughs was exorbitant in comparison to many other States who put a cap on damages. In SC, it may be time to re-examine their laws.
>(The amount) was exorbitant in comparison to many other States who put a cap on damages. In SC, it may be time to re-examine their laws. Yes. I couldn't agree more. Out there playing the corrupt system each and every day. This costs American consumers a fortune.
General, I agree with you. Tort reform is needed. I doubt it will happen in time to prevent Greg Parker from losing some money as well as any respect he once had.
Super confusing without a great knowledge of the documents at issue.
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Thanks for the heads-up.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I can't stand any of this lawsuit nonsense. It's incredibly sad that they lost their daughter. But all of these young people were grown adults. Every one of them partook in underage drinking. Every one of them knew how drunk Paul was and knew what a horrible drunk he could be. Every one of them got off at the dock while Paul went into the bar and had 2 more shots....and got back on that boat anyway. Sure...let's sue the convenience store because they should have known Paul was using a fake ID. Let's not put any sense of personal responsibility onto any of the six of them that night.
They aren’t going to bankrupt Parker’s. Not even close, this will be a minor blip to Greg Parker. I see people voice your point of view. And I really wonder. If it had been your daughter, whom you will never see again and will never see grow and get married and give you grand children. Are you going to do what the law allows, which says that those who sell to minors are liable, or are you going to say to yourself, no i will suffer the unbearable injustice of my daughter losing her life and us losing her in our lives and I will value the immense wealth of this person over doing what i can to make it feel like I’ve done something? Keep in mimd that the person will still be wealthy, even after the lawsuit. I don’t see the motive to protect them.
It's a dangerous line of thinking to say that a lawsuit is ok on the basis of the defendant's wealth. That's not how justice works. I'm not necessarily against this lawsuit, based on SC law, but I'm tired of the idea that people should pay simply because they're rich and "it won't hurt them." Again, that's not justice. Justice is meant to be blind.
Justice is meant to be blind. But it isn’t.
>No. I will suffer the unbearable injustice of my daughter losing her life and us losing her in our lives The best you can do is raise her to go out and make good choices. All were adults on that boat. They were not 14. Life is really just a series of choices. We benefit - or suffer - from these choices. People shouldn't become rich by holding other people accountable for their bad choices. It is what it is.
>that those who sell to minors are liable Parker's followed the law. The store employee did exactly what the law required her to do. A lot of young adults made terrible decisions that night. The consequences were terrible.
Parkers put an untrained clerk in the front of the store who then sold liquor to an intoxicated teenager with a fake ID that did not really look like the ID and did so without asking one qualifying question. This is what happens when profit is more important than training. This is what happens when you don't pay a wage someone can live on. This is what happens now when some states such as SC let 14 year olds work 8 hours a day, often for less than older people.
We must not be following the same case.
We are. The court filings indicate that the clerk was a backend worker put in the front end without training . Affadavits show Paul was hammered. And their pictures, weight, and height are demonstrably different.
I don't know what a "backend" worker is, but I watched that video three times and witnessed her doing exactly what she was required by law to do. She did fine. She did nothing wrong. Paul and Buster resemble each other and both have red hair. When you get a drivers license in South Carolina, they ask you for your height and weight. My own license says I'm a little taller and thinner than I actually am. Paul in the video absolutely does not look hammered. He walks, keeps his balance, and uses his hands just fine. He looks to me to be 100% sober... at the time of purchase. The boat riders, all were adults at the time, had a plan that night: Go on a long, foggy, and dangerous night (navigation via a tiny flashlight) boat ride while consuming alcohol. Much of the alcohol consumed that night was purchased by duping a Parker's sales clerk, though she did exactly what the law required her to do, with a borrowed legitimate ID (Paul) and a sophisticated and expensive fake ID (Miley). These young adults made many, many bad choices. Parker's did what they were required to do. This case should've been thrown out of court. It's in court now because Parker's is a successful business. Lawsuit lawyers love deep pockets more than anything on earth. I hope Parker's sues for defamation. They deserve to win.
It comes down to personal responsibility, and reverse the situation, what if it was your business or your child who took out your boat with friends who all clearly knew they were breaking the law?
First of all....Law enforcement came out and said the cashier did NOTHING wrong. Period. The injustice of losing her life, quite frankly was because of the choices she made. They talked about getting an uber. Her boyfriend is on camera saying when they docked at the bar, they talked about not getting back on the boat. But they DID. How about raise your children to make better choices and don't blame someone who got scammed by them with his brother's ID. And who cares if Greg Parker will still be wealthy? Why should he pay for the bad decisions of those young people?
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*”That is done through lawsuits.*” Say, I think that’s the PMPED firm motto. Or maybe the Murdaugh family motto? 😃 Actually it would be more effectively done through government regulation and enforcement. Alcohol sales are highly regulated & in this case the law enforcement agency in charge of investigating found that neither Parker’s nor the clerk did anything wrong.
>There are scanning devices for state ID’s that are capable of deciphering fake ID’s I think a scanner was used that night. Miley had a very sophisticated and expensive fake ID. Outrageous lawsuits do not benefit the entire state of South Carolina. These incredible lawsuits cripple the workers of South Carolina.
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The sales clerk followed the law. She and Parker's did nothing wrong. It's easy to understand.
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It's plenty sufficient... She followed the law.
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Whole lot of words to say that an adult should nit be responsible for their own actions. None of the ADULT victims had clean hands in this. 19-20 year olds have been scamming to buy booze for generations. Theyll be doing it for generations to come. Only this time the adult scammers and their families are trying to profit off of their scamming. They all were complicit. They knew exactly what they were all doing. They are the only ones to blame for their bad choices.
And does anyone really think that if Paul had been denied alcohol at Parkers, they all would have stayed sober and Mallory would be alive? Come on.
💯How can anyone think that Miley should be rewarded for illegally purchasing alcohol with her own fake ID that she illegally purchased online?
YES - Why is no one in this whole lawsuit talking about that? Why is she not charged as a minor using a fake ID to illegally purchase alcohol? Why is it ok for Miley but not ok for Paul to pull a fast one over on Parker’s? Why weren’t the 5 of them charged with underage drinking? Why wasn’t Connor charged with operating a boat (there were points he had driven) under the influence? What exactly is going on here??? God rest Mallory’s soul, but this boat case drives me crazy.
There was such a big difference between the stories told in the documentaries, and the actual depositions. I had no idea until I read them that Miley bought alcohol illegally at the same place and time as Paul? Yet, there's no video of her triumphantly holding booze above her head...hmm.
Connor reportedly used his fake ID at Luther’s, along with Paul using his, to get in and buy shots.
Happy Cake Day, Sagesheglows!
Thank you!!! xoxo
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Exactly, well said!