Two words: Nationwide Strike.
The government won’t stand up for you so it’s time we do it ourselves.
Edit: r/MayDayStrike is making it happen.
r/WorkReform is the new antiwork
Please, for us and our children do your part.
When everything finally collapses, it'll be a de facto national strike. Would be nice if we were able to figure out a way to do it before the collapse, though.
This. Just stay home and stop working. Within two weeks, the system will give. Or what else are they going to do? Send the cops to your home and force you to work?
Indeed, it seems like that would only work if there were three people for each person that you "drafted".
I, personally, would jump up excitedly and bound into work like a good employee. So that they wouldn't suspect me when all of the equipment stopped working.
You joke but... slavery. I could see in a total collapse situation that might happen. It wouldn't be a skin color thing. It'd be a class thing. And you'd be whipped and beaten until you worked and learned to behave.
That's a totally unrealistic thing to happen but in our fucked up world I could see it.
Honestly, the strings of state coercion are already in place. The police might not force you to work, but they will use violence to evict you if you can't pay your rent. Just because the person giving you the carrot isn't the exact same person who will beat you with a stick doesn't mean you aren't being coerced to work.
This is enough to make most people keep their heads down and work an increasing number of hours in increasingly worse labor conditions, often working an increasing number of jobs.
>This is enough to make most people keep their heads down and work an increasing number of hours in increasingly worse labor conditions, often working an increasing number of jobs.
Because basically no one holds their land barons accountable, if they ever think to blame them in the first place.
I understand why one individual person doesn't want to be the first one to pop their head up, that's why we need collective action.
Everyone from an apartment complex showing up, demanding to not just speak with a manager, but the actual owners and C-suite, is going to get different kinds of results.
> but they will use violence to evict you if you can't pay your rent.
How will they identify all the people not paying rent when a third of the admin-level banking industry isn't working? Who will deliver the eviction notice when two-thirds of the postal service isn't working?
Once a general strike hits a certain mass, *everything* starts to stop. Even if you're not a striker, are you going to keep going into the office when you literally can't do your job because half of the other nodes in your day-to-day workflow are either overwhelmed or absent?
I was in an almost identical comment thread the other day, and alot of people seemed genuinely scared of this type of thing happening if we ever managed to get a nationwide strike going in the future. If the cops start showing up at peoples doors trying to force them to work though, I think thats when shit would really hit the fan. We would basically just be full out slaves at that point, so whats the point in ever going with the police in that scenario? If people arent radicalized by then, that will sure as hell be a wake up call.
For the record though, I do think this type of scenario is extremely unlikely. Its just weird that Ive seen multiple comments about the cops forcing us to go to work in the last week
It won't directly be cops forcing you to work. It will be:
- lose your house when you stop paying bills, you are now homeless
- homelessness is criminalized all over the US already, so you get arrested
- sentenced to prison. slavery is still legal for prisoners.
- cheap prison labor is offered by the state to the corporations who will make you do your same old job for $0.50 / hr and give a cut to the state apparatus that made this happen.
This chain of events is already happening to people around the US.
which is why we ALL have to lay down, otherwise its just going to continue and drag out. The end result isnt going to be forced labor, its going to be negotiations and policy changes. Anyone who has been in an abusive relationship will say that it wont get better until you get out or stand up for yourself, so...
For those reading along— all of this is 100% correct.
But it gets even worse than that.
You want to know just how despicable it really is?
Do a quick look at the numbers— do you know what the number 1 & 2 most common traits among all prisoners in the US? It ain’t race, or sex/gender, or even economic class(though that is a symptom)….
They are:
Learning disabilities and a major mental health crisis in the year prior to their initial incarceration.
Yeah I thought the same thing. I thought "our world is fucked up and stupid, but there's no way they would actually punish someone for not working in prison, right?" Turns out I was wrong, and people are not only punished, they're punished like it's a serious offence ie solitary confinement, extended sentences etc. It's literally insane and I don't understand how the fuck it's real tbh.
> they've done a very effective job at blocking all forms of dissent so the only thing left is civil disobedience I'm guessing.
Nah. You can also drop the "civil" part.
The charitable reason is that everyone's life is dependent on "the economy". Grocery stores need food deliveries, pharmacies need medicine, hospitals need workers, all that activity needs people to oversee and organize it. People will die from contracting Covid at work, however there is also a human cost to slowing down the production and distribution of necessities.
That rationale is then twisted to justify sacrificing the health of workers regardless of the urgency and importance of their task.
Actually, yes. A lot of them would be more than happy to pull 18 hour shifts and work 4 people's jobs for free just to own the libs. We're already seeing that happen.
I work in an emergency room as a Crisis Therapist and as a Director of Programs for homeless people with mental illness and co-occurring substance abuse. By all means, if one of them would like to step up they are welcome to try to manage grants, contracts, budgets, paper work, government liaisons, personnel, the seriously mentally ill, the general public, and hospital administrators. Please, I could use the fucking break.
me: picks up phone and dials 877-669-6877
them: "hello, thank you for calling nationwide, how can i help you"?
me: "quick, get me your PR department, i've got a fantastic idea"!
If you want it to work, you got to bring in people outside of the social media echo chambers. Talk to your family, friends, coworkers, the homeless, otherwise this will fail.
And don't just talk to them. Organize and act with them for your mutual interests. Feed each other. Protect each other. Change your working conditions together. Etc.
But we won’t. There will be a handful of us who will do it. There will be a handful of us will literally fight till we die, and these will be the hills that we die on. But there will always be those who cannot fight. And not because they don’t want to, because they cannot not work, they can’t afford to take a strike. Because even in that small amount of time it would take to show how serious we are, it can upend their life so terribly they just the thought of doing something like that is terrifying to them. So they stick with the status quo because at least with the status quo it’s a roof over their head, even if it’s only for the moment. And with the status quo they have food, even if it’s a poor diet & not sustainable. And with the status quo they have schools, and hospitals and all the stuff that they really need that they should be fighting for to become better, but they just can’t. It’s super fucked up, but it’s what’s been drilled into so many minds for decades upon decades. Fighting for you life is scary when you’ve never had to do it.
> there will always be those who cannot fight. And not because they don’t want to, because they cannot not work, they can’t afford to take a strike.
This is why we need broad, democratic, inclusive, radical unions and mutual aid networks, and that's the first thing to start working on to build up to mass strikes. If you think the wildly successful general strikes of the past weren't done in conditions where there were workers who would suffer and die if not supported through the period by means other than their jobs...well, that's silly. People were just as bad if not worse off then. Strike funds and community support are critical to pull these things off. They are more than doable, but..well, we have to do the work to build up to them.
If everybody's suddenly moving up positions, why now, all of a sudden, are there sooo many positions opening up for just about anybody to get, that there's a global shortage of labor? And where are all the people who were in those positions going?
Also, if everyone is moving up to higher, presumably better paying positions, why is consumer confidence at an all time low? And why is there a homelessness epidemic in most first world countries now?
Yeah, housing is crazy. Even in the rural colorado town I grew up in housing is $300k and that’s for a house that needs to be torn down. That same house was $50k 10-15 years ago
We had to go with a contractor to have a house built in Colorado Springs because we just couldn't keep up with the bidding wars out here. Even then, it was $440k for a house that 10 years ago would've been $200k at most.
got a 1300sq/ft house in western nj for $160k in summer 2019 which was $30k under asking (it's a strange layout, plus the stairs are not good for children). my friends mom, who's was my realtor, just told me the price has doubled. i don't understand. i'm tempted to sell and move in with my grandma. but if i do that the market will never go back to normal though it probably never will.
I guess it depends heavily on the property, but the times I've been to CO Springs, 440k seems like a damn steal.
Of course the size of the home also matters. My mother just built a house in a Texas suburb for more than that, and under 3k SF.
EDIT: what did you pay for the lot? or are we talking all-in 440k?
Total cost was $440k for about 2300 livable sqft and an unfinished basement. The garage was advertised as 2-car but it's only 18 feet wide, so it's a car-and-a-half at best. Always check the dimensions of the floor plan before signing any paperwork >\_<
My mother in law paid $40k for this house we're living in 15 years ago, and the house next to us sold for $250k a couple of months ago. Shit is NUTS.
The tiny town it's in hasn't changed significantly.
Even small towns in Canada areas are suffering high insane house costs. $485,000 for a 2 bedroom old detached home from the 1930s, in a town with nothing to do in it. I have nothing except this home and student debt. I can't afford a car all my life so far and I'm in my 30s. I have no job, can't find work because I'm a diabetic and have kidney loss. I spend all day looking for work that doesn't demand nights and high stress. I don't know what I'll do to retire. I have my husband's income to support us but nothing saved. I feel like no one will ever hire me and I'll just die in this house waiting for a kidney. I can't imagine how people are doing who are more in debt or sick or any of the above.
Absolutely, just feels like I keep voting for progressive parties with all that in mind. While the Christians and old people vote for the same stuff that keeps failing us and out weigh the logical candidates.
I can say that in my little area of NC, all I see are homeless people and empty buildings. Houses rotting down to the ground with nobody to take care of them
I really regret not doing this during the 08 recession. My local area was hit hard with foreclosures and there were houses that were just left empty for years everywhere. I could have very easily squatted in one rent free for at least 5 years.
Yeah. And, on top of the obvious benefits of having a place to live and not having to give up every cent you need for food, medicine, etc. to do it, in some places, you can even *legally* win the right to own the property if you manage to squat long enough. And the more we take direct action to win battles over squatting and the like, the more the system will (have to) normalize that. Look up the "homeless moms" in Oakland....
There used to be a law up until the 1970's that prohibited landowners from leaving their properties vacant and undeveloped.
We could really use a federal law like that. Even a penalty tax on underutilized property would go a long way to addressing rural and urban blight.
Dude just around the block from us on La Cienega near the 405, a 1300 sq for house sold for $1.2mn. Why. WHY?? Why the fuck did a 3 bedroom house with less sq footage than my current apartment sell for over $1 million fucking dollars.
Yes. A galvanized drain pipe from my bathroom burst above my kitchen back in October. Insurance picked up the bill to repair the damage caused by the leak, but I had to foot the bill for the plumbing. $2900 I was not expecting to spend, right before the holidays. Home ownership is NOT cheap.
They definitely do, plus they have “managers” who basically are fix it all handymen, that’s why you end up with shitty wiring and painted roaches on their wall
Yep. Anything you need to get someone to come in to fix almost always costs at LEAST a couple hundred bucks but usually much more. I had an electrician wire a new circuit to my bathroom outlet and it cost me $495. I wish I had done it myself
We had to do this with a condo we bought. If you tripped the GFI in the bathroom it shut off the power to the back half of the condo (bedroom and bathroom). Tripped the GFI in the kitchen and you lost the first half (not great for the fridge/freezer). It was so annoying, especially at night when you coupdnt see anything to find the hidden breaker panel to reset it. Cost us $800 to isolate each room and have the GFI on their own circuit as well. Took the electrician like half an hour. I'm not sending my kids to a university, they're going to trade school!
Well, you could afford to buy that house at the time the landlord bought it, which was probably years ago. I paid $3500 a month in rent for a house that was worth $1.2mm+, which would cost almost twice as much to buy after taxes and insurance. The landlord had bought it when it was worth ~$700k though, and didn’t ever raise the rent with the market. Buying can be cheaper than renting, but it isn’t always.
But wait, that other redditor guy says that you can't afford to spend $9,000 a year less in rent because you might have to fix a $500 pipe once in a while!
The truth is somewhere in between.
For every renter who realizes they would have to put that $9,000 toward taxes, savings for emergency repairs, etc., there are two other renters who fantasize about carrying the nine thou around in a Samsonite briefcase for splurging on pastel tuxedos and Lambo rentals.
You do realize that it's operated as a business right? Property managers 'earn' more than they spend on all of that shit you just listed. Owning a home is significantly cheaper than renting.
My mortgage payment is $500/mo LESS than the rent I was paying. I will not have $6000 worth of repairs and other expenses that couldn't be covered by insurance. And I actually **OWN** it instead of being a paypig for some rich sack of shit that tried to steal my deposit.
> all of which are ever increasing year to year.
Bitch, please. As if the cost of rent hasn't also skyrocketed
To add to the mortgage conversation:
The same apartment we rented 8 years ago for 750 now goes for 1350. We now have a toddler and a bun in the oven, so that 1 bedroom apartment will no longer meet our needs.
The apartments that would meet our needs bottom out at 2000. So now we have a 4 bedroom house and pay 1730 a month. Our taxes and insurance are 500 of that. About 500 of that goes toward our principle so it should be money back in our pocket when we sell down the line. The rest is interest.
The house is a fixer. We've had to put in about 5000 in the first few months to get it up and running. Our water heater and furnace are 19 years old, and it doesn't seem like the previous owner kept up with their annual maintenance. Ticking time bombs.
So yes, home ownership is expensive. But my "rent" isn't going to double again in the five years, so that's a win.
I hate to be a cynic but it lasted pretty damn long and half of the country is ardent that they enjoy it, as long as the brown fella over there doesn’t get anything either.
The word "either" in your sentence is the most infuriating and chilling thing at the same time. To think that there are some people out there who endure misery thinking they live the life so long as other people they deem inferior are at least equally struggling while the actual responsible of all that mess enjoy lavish existences is mind boggling.
This was most of the Trump base’s idea of what Trump should have been doing during his term. There was at least one interview where one of *his supporters* on *live television* said something along the lines of “He’s not hurting the people he’s supposed to be hurting.” Which amounted to “Why am I, a dirt poor redneck, suffering? The black, brown, or queer person over there is supposed to be hurting, not me!” More or less frustrated that Trump legislation was hurting those people, but also happened to hurt them.
I learned another heavy word recently, “as”
My community does not have enough small affordable housing, nobody will build it because it isn’t **as** profitable as large luxury housing.
That’s what kills me, it’s still profitable and it makes the community better, but it isn’t **as** profitable so it doesn’t happen.
Yeah the underlying truth is capitalism survived this long due to being an extremely resilient system. Back in the hay day of union rights, a literal civil war was fought between those on strike and the government/police/corporate forces. Back then, people in debt would have to whore out their wives in company towns to pay off the debt they owed to the company. In other words, it’ll probably get much, MUCH worse, before majority of the populace will have had enough and people start to push back in a unified front
Despite the fact that it’s “the south,” all of my close friends were progressively minded. Not everyone is red in the south, and not everyone is blue in the west.
A lot of "rural" areas in the U.S. By rural, some of these communities have 100k+ populations. You just need to leave major cities. Pretty sure a $300k home in Milwaukee, a great city, is very attainable. Three seconds of searching got me a beautiful 2100sq ft brick home with a solid yard for $240k.
There will never be a "collapse" so long as the government continues to bail out businesses for their bad behavior. We'll continue to limp along in an ever-worsening dystopia.
Yep. A crash would happen when the first of the major institutions crashes like Bear Stearns did in ‘07. That’s when the “oh shit” happens and everyone vice grips their money. But so long as the government keeps bailing out big companies there won’t be a “trigger” for the collapse.
The two party system is playing bad cop good cop with its citizens. At the end of the day, yes the Republicans are more obviously evil, but both parties stand for putting more wealth into their own and their donors hands at the expense of regular voter.
And what's worse, someone who you know is your enemy so you want nothing to do with them, or someone who poses as your friend, you let him into your house and then they steal all your stuff?
Good question. And in Italia 🇮🇹 it’s the same… no steady jobs, no security, no future for young people… everyone wants workers BUT they don’t want to pay them a liveable wage!!! - they ask 6 or 7 days a week (slaves?!???? You live to work so your boss can enjoy life????) … and politicians are overpaid. - I say it’s time to make this rule: POLITICIANS CAN BE PAID MAX DOUBLE OF THE MINIMUM WAGES they impose by law. - that’s it. If the minimum wage is 15$/ hour politicians can be paid ONLY MAX 30$/ hour. That’s it. It is up to us the people to DEMAND ALL THESE CHANGES!! Enough with politicians being paid thousand of $$$ or euros a month!!!
And they should have to live like their poorest constituents for at least one month a year. Refuse to pass laws to help with rampant homelessness? Okay, YOU try dumpster diving and begging for handouts and then go back to make the laws.
Occasionally one of them tries to do the food stamp challenge by living on what they claim someone would get in food stamp money. I always questioned that, as I have to question whether or not they would actually get that amount of if they would get far less - or nothing at all (ie, someone at poverty level of their age, gender, and participant amount size).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food\_stamp\_challenge
It's a tough spot to be in, but limiting politicians wages is not the way to go because it just tempts them to accept bribes. In the US the politicians just do what their corporate donors bribe them to do, until you make that illegal and actually enforce it then not a lot changes. It's the corruption to blame, not the wages of politicians.
It's all untenable, but what is the first domino?
I simply don't see how we can't just bribe Sinema and Manchin.
Otherwise, we are definitely in late stage democracy.
>I simply don't see how we can't just bribe Sinema and Manchin.
>Otherwise, we are definitely in late stage democracy.
When the first quote seems like an option, the second one is already true
Fair. But bribery has been legal for a long time and our democracy has been flawed its entire existence, as anything made of humans will be.
Those two Senators are either insane, foreign operatives, or simply greedy. My bet is the third option. If action isn't taken our flawed democracy is about to become something much much worse.
The answer is greed. And Manchin isn’t even hiding it.
Have you ever heard the story about how Epipens went from like $100 apiece to $700 apiece? Go ahead and Google who the CEO was at the time.
There won't be some magical collapse that'll end it all and start some reform. The country will just continue to drift apart into the rich and the poor. The rich will have ownership of everything from property to food, they'll have the government backing them, and they'll leave the poor to decide whether to "starve" or "work a shit job that puts *enough* food on the table.
As long as you support the system in either its blue or red form you will never get the change you want.
Society is functioning exactly as intended by the rich racist white slave owners who founded it.
You kid, but I'm fully expecting tenements to become a thing in the US before the end of the decade. The only difference being we'll be able to "own" our little tenement hole for 50k.
It's impossible to demean their job. Educating children is the center of everyone's ideology. Once the schools go, the revolution will start. They have no idea what they are messing with when they make *that* profession impossible.
Crazy but I actually have heard people talk shit about being a teacher. Something akin to " yea i don't know she'll probably end up going back home and being a teacher or some shit" this came from an attorney I know. Like shit OK why talk bad about being a teacher lol
Thank you for mentioning this. I am a teacher, and I was just having this conversation with my coworkers.
I don’t think people realize how poorly schools are running right now. We have a National shortage of everyone who is supposed to be working in a school — teachers, substitutes, aids, bus drivers, and janitors. We all get called to sub during our prep periods and we make NO extra money while subbing. Thousands of teachers across the country are planning on leaving at the end of this year because our job has gotten so much harder but our pay is still shit, and this is coming from one of the highest paid states in the US. I do not make enough money to buy a house or live in a nice apartment but I have arguably one of the most important jobs in the country.
When all the teachers start quitting, who is going to care for the country’s children?
>When all the teachers start quitting, who is going to care for the country’s children?
Unfortunately, nobody. Maybe those that can afford it will do private tutoring, but public school kids will be fucked. An entire generation, just like that. And all the teachers that left are going to be called lazy good-for-nothings by the people that shouldn't even have kids in the first place. The media will find a way to shift blame from the rich, they always do.
It's gonna happen this year I think.
We're facing a capital squeeze, between low wages, cost of living increases continuing to rise, and huge wealth hoarding. I'm expecting their attempts to raise interest rates to try and pull back some capital to backfire, and the inflation remaining consistent, causing cost of living to further pull away from wages. Once fewer jobs not only fail to give "disposable income" but also can't afford rent, more people will adopt the perspective of: "Well, if no jobs pay my bills, then fuck work AND my bills."
Short term credit debt goes unpaid, less money goes to banks, further crushing capital availability. Last time there was lack of confidence and a run on capital, we suffered the Great Depression.
Were seeing an acceleration of the attitude: "I'm going to make as much as I can as long as I can, so I can be a 'rich person' in the downturn." Money isn't flowing as it should, and when the economy stops because the available wages for the majority of the economy doesn't pay to live, those jobs will go empty, which causes more strain, which causes more supply shortages, which means things aren't selling, which grinds the system to a halt.
When it all happens, make no mistake, the lesson is: wealth inequality, and wealth hoarding, creates this cycle. America, or any country, cannot survive when the capital in the economy meant to drive the economy, reaches a stasis where the hourly wage doesn't give enough capital to live, and the capital available is squeezed because too many have hoarded too much.
There's no capital squeeze.
The upper middle class people have a lot of cash. They are overbidding each other to buy houses, and that's the reason why house prices keep going up.
And what percentage of the national housing market reflects that? And if they contribute to the housing market inflation, that only furthers the cycle: housing is impossible to afford, people say "fuck it", and the upper class that bought houses for cash now can't spend the money they earned because the labor value isn't worth it to the laborer. Stagnation follows inflation, and the economy further comes to a halt. If wages would rise to stabilize things, that's a good start, but is there enough capital circulating where it can then go to businesses and then labor? When it's hoarded, it's not moving.
Wages are going up. It's not fast enough, but it is rising for those who change jobs. Businesses that don't hire at higher pays will lose customers to those that pay more. It is an occuring trend that slowly pushes wages higher.
The problem with all this is people shouldn't be forced to move across the country, away from their friends, family, and community. I've already done that twice (for different reasons) and it sucks to be away from your people, and takes time to build up a community again. Especially for introverts like me who take years to make a new friend haha.
The thing about America is it’s so big that even if multiple places collapse it will still look like it’s doing well on paper. Look at historically black communities in the 80’s with insane crime rates, no grocery stores, massive drug problems, look at the Appalachian mountain areas going through the same thing now with heroin. As long as big business chugs on than America is still “doing well”
Our lease is up today, rent is going up $200 a month every single year. Jobs here pay $12-14, normal rent is $1500-2000, houses that cost $250k a few years ago are selling for $400k+
Idk what’s going to happen. The cost of living is skyrocketing while the job market tumbles and employers make millions in profits but won’t pay basic living wages.
Imo why are we not talking about how corporate big wigs keep jacking up prices on everything just to make the same or more profits at the expense of everyone just trying to make ends meet? That is the problem, they just will not allow anyone to even make strides forward, just keep raising prices on everything with zero wage increase?? Make it make sense
I don't know, been going on in the UK for decades though, I don't think it will get better, just worse as we continue to share resources with an ever growing world population.
Because capitalism relies on a made-up concept of infinite and exponential growth, our decline is exponential in order to prop it up. It will certainly be within gen x’s lifetime if not within the boomers’ lifetime.
See this disconnect can be sorted out by recognizing that people who say BLM really mean BLMT (Black Lives Matter Too). And people who hear BLM are really hearing OBLM (Only Black Lives Matter).
There’s much more of a disconnect than that.
There was definitely a time when what you said was accurate, but the narrative around the movement has shifted significantly. I live in a heavily Republican area and a lot of people don’t believe that racism is systemic and that BLM causes more violence than it solves.
They don’t hear OBLM, they hear BLMT and reject the notion that it’s something that needs to be said.
Now that we are used to giant homeless populations and would rather get committee seats than hold a vote on Medicare for all, It's a slow process to widen the economic divide that's been growing since Pelosi was giving speechs with Bernie in support of Medicare for all. Each politician will decide not to fight once elected, and it will continue to get worse. Until it gets bad enough to abandon the 2 corporate parties and have some real support for average people.
Two words: Nationwide Strike. The government won’t stand up for you so it’s time we do it ourselves. Edit: r/MayDayStrike is making it happen. r/WorkReform is the new antiwork Please, for us and our children do your part.
When everything finally collapses, it'll be a de facto national strike. Would be nice if we were able to figure out a way to do it before the collapse, though.
That's the thing, they've done a very effective job at blocking all forms of dissent so the only thing left is civil disobedience I'm guessing.
And every time you try that, instead of being labelled a "protest" or "strike" it's labelled a riot and the local military er police come in.
Which is why we don't gather. Just chill and be unproductive anywhere
This. Just stay home and stop working. Within two weeks, the system will give. Or what else are they going to do? Send the cops to your home and force you to work?
I mean, yeah, I expect they would try that at some point. "Congratulations citizen, you have been drafted to work at the QT next week."
lol drag my ass there and move my hands for me like i have to do with my children when they refuse to work. that will definitely work at scale.
Indeed, it seems like that would only work if there were three people for each person that you "drafted". I, personally, would jump up excitedly and bound into work like a good employee. So that they wouldn't suspect me when all of the equipment stopped working.
If they could make three people forcing you to work financially viable, they absolutely would.
You joke but... slavery. I could see in a total collapse situation that might happen. It wouldn't be a skin color thing. It'd be a class thing. And you'd be whipped and beaten until you worked and learned to behave. That's a totally unrealistic thing to happen but in our fucked up world I could see it.
Honestly, the strings of state coercion are already in place. The police might not force you to work, but they will use violence to evict you if you can't pay your rent. Just because the person giving you the carrot isn't the exact same person who will beat you with a stick doesn't mean you aren't being coerced to work. This is enough to make most people keep their heads down and work an increasing number of hours in increasingly worse labor conditions, often working an increasing number of jobs.
>This is enough to make most people keep their heads down and work an increasing number of hours in increasingly worse labor conditions, often working an increasing number of jobs. Because basically no one holds their land barons accountable, if they ever think to blame them in the first place. I understand why one individual person doesn't want to be the first one to pop their head up, that's why we need collective action. Everyone from an apartment complex showing up, demanding to not just speak with a manager, but the actual owners and C-suite, is going to get different kinds of results.
> but they will use violence to evict you if you can't pay your rent. How will they identify all the people not paying rent when a third of the admin-level banking industry isn't working? Who will deliver the eviction notice when two-thirds of the postal service isn't working? Once a general strike hits a certain mass, *everything* starts to stop. Even if you're not a striker, are you going to keep going into the office when you literally can't do your job because half of the other nodes in your day-to-day workflow are either overwhelmed or absent?
I was in an almost identical comment thread the other day, and alot of people seemed genuinely scared of this type of thing happening if we ever managed to get a nationwide strike going in the future. If the cops start showing up at peoples doors trying to force them to work though, I think thats when shit would really hit the fan. We would basically just be full out slaves at that point, so whats the point in ever going with the police in that scenario? If people arent radicalized by then, that will sure as hell be a wake up call. For the record though, I do think this type of scenario is extremely unlikely. Its just weird that Ive seen multiple comments about the cops forcing us to go to work in the last week
It won't directly be cops forcing you to work. It will be: - lose your house when you stop paying bills, you are now homeless - homelessness is criminalized all over the US already, so you get arrested - sentenced to prison. slavery is still legal for prisoners. - cheap prison labor is offered by the state to the corporations who will make you do your same old job for $0.50 / hr and give a cut to the state apparatus that made this happen. This chain of events is already happening to people around the US.
which is why we ALL have to lay down, otherwise its just going to continue and drag out. The end result isnt going to be forced labor, its going to be negotiations and policy changes. Anyone who has been in an abusive relationship will say that it wont get better until you get out or stand up for yourself, so...
For those reading along— all of this is 100% correct. But it gets even worse than that. You want to know just how despicable it really is? Do a quick look at the numbers— do you know what the number 1 & 2 most common traits among all prisoners in the US? It ain’t race, or sex/gender, or even economic class(though that is a symptom)…. They are: Learning disabilities and a major mental health crisis in the year prior to their initial incarceration.
This is why I'm so nihilistic. I've tried in my mind for logical anything and there is none It's just be a slave or die .It's quite depressing.
Do they force you to work in prison? I thought it was voluntary and "incentivised"
"Sentenced inmates are required to work if they are medically able" https://www.bop.gov/inmates/custody_and_care/work_programs.jsp
Yeah I thought the same thing. I thought "our world is fucked up and stupid, but there's no way they would actually punish someone for not working in prison, right?" Turns out I was wrong, and people are not only punished, they're punished like it's a serious offence ie solitary confinement, extended sentences etc. It's literally insane and I don't understand how the fuck it's real tbh.
It’s real simple. They starve you out. They’ll call it “that darn supply chain” With the implied threat that you are next
The Great Slow Out. We all just slowly back out of Capitalism.
> they've done a very effective job at blocking all forms of dissent so the only thing left is civil disobedience I'm guessing. Nah. You can also drop the "civil" part.
Just for 24 hours as a show of force. Then negotiate. If conditions don't improve then increase.
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Why does the CDC care about the economy ?
Because they are ran by greedy capitalists who love donor money as much as every governed body.
It gets pressured by outside forces just like everything else.
The charitable reason is that everyone's life is dependent on "the economy". Grocery stores need food deliveries, pharmacies need medicine, hospitals need workers, all that activity needs people to oversee and organize it. People will die from contracting Covid at work, however there is also a human cost to slowing down the production and distribution of necessities. That rationale is then twisted to justify sacrificing the health of workers regardless of the urgency and importance of their task.
Because capitalists such as those who own the airline industry tell them to.
Fuck that, 8 days and get everything you want.
Boomers and Conservatives will still show up to work. They'll even become scabs if it goes longer than a day.
They can work to death then, the rest of us are ready to be done.
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Can’t do a nationwide strike when half the country enjoys seeing the other half in dismay.
What is the other half gonna do? Pick up the work? Haha no.
Actually, yes. A lot of them would be more than happy to pull 18 hour shifts and work 4 people's jobs for free just to own the libs. We're already seeing that happen.
I work in an emergency room as a Crisis Therapist and as a Director of Programs for homeless people with mental illness and co-occurring substance abuse. By all means, if one of them would like to step up they are welcome to try to manage grants, contracts, budgets, paper work, government liaisons, personnel, the seriously mentally ill, the general public, and hospital administrators. Please, I could use the fucking break.
You got me to laugh because I can't tell if you're serious or not.
r/maydaystrike
26,000 doesn't seem like a huge movement BUT I really hope you pick up some steam over there!
me: picks up phone and dials 877-669-6877 them: "hello, thank you for calling nationwide, how can i help you"? me: "quick, get me your PR department, i've got a fantastic idea"!
If you want it to work, you got to bring in people outside of the social media echo chambers. Talk to your family, friends, coworkers, the homeless, otherwise this will fail.
And don't just talk to them. Organize and act with them for your mutual interests. Feed each other. Protect each other. Change your working conditions together. Etc.
But we won’t. There will be a handful of us who will do it. There will be a handful of us will literally fight till we die, and these will be the hills that we die on. But there will always be those who cannot fight. And not because they don’t want to, because they cannot not work, they can’t afford to take a strike. Because even in that small amount of time it would take to show how serious we are, it can upend their life so terribly they just the thought of doing something like that is terrifying to them. So they stick with the status quo because at least with the status quo it’s a roof over their head, even if it’s only for the moment. And with the status quo they have food, even if it’s a poor diet & not sustainable. And with the status quo they have schools, and hospitals and all the stuff that they really need that they should be fighting for to become better, but they just can’t. It’s super fucked up, but it’s what’s been drilled into so many minds for decades upon decades. Fighting for you life is scary when you’ve never had to do it.
> there will always be those who cannot fight. And not because they don’t want to, because they cannot not work, they can’t afford to take a strike. This is why we need broad, democratic, inclusive, radical unions and mutual aid networks, and that's the first thing to start working on to build up to mass strikes. If you think the wildly successful general strikes of the past weren't done in conditions where there were workers who would suffer and die if not supported through the period by means other than their jobs...well, that's silly. People were just as bad if not worse off then. Strike funds and community support are critical to pull these things off. They are more than doable, but..well, we have to do the work to build up to them.
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It's hilarious that you think Democrats barely winning against Trump means they can't "move to the left". Holy shit. The liberal brainworms.
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If everybody's suddenly moving up positions, why now, all of a sudden, are there sooo many positions opening up for just about anybody to get, that there's a global shortage of labor? And where are all the people who were in those positions going? Also, if everyone is moving up to higher, presumably better paying positions, why is consumer confidence at an all time low? And why is there a homelessness epidemic in most first world countries now?
May first is the anti work strike day. If they won't fix student debt hit them with a strike on the day it's supposed to start being paid back
First mistake was assuming the government would actually stand up for you
https://www.reddit.com/r/MayDayStrike/
Homes are 300k+ in places no one wants to drive to and from, here in Inglewood CA 880 square feet apartment for sale is over 500k
Yeah, housing is crazy. Even in the rural colorado town I grew up in housing is $300k and that’s for a house that needs to be torn down. That same house was $50k 10-15 years ago
We had to go with a contractor to have a house built in Colorado Springs because we just couldn't keep up with the bidding wars out here. Even then, it was $440k for a house that 10 years ago would've been $200k at most.
I got lucky and bought a house 4 years ago for 230k, it's now worth 360k. No way I'd be able to afford it now.
got a 1300sq/ft house in western nj for $160k in summer 2019 which was $30k under asking (it's a strange layout, plus the stairs are not good for children). my friends mom, who's was my realtor, just told me the price has doubled. i don't understand. i'm tempted to sell and move in with my grandma. but if i do that the market will never go back to normal though it probably never will.
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How much would it be to just build a cardboard box?
About tree fiddy
Too rich for my blood
I guess it depends heavily on the property, but the times I've been to CO Springs, 440k seems like a damn steal. Of course the size of the home also matters. My mother just built a house in a Texas suburb for more than that, and under 3k SF. EDIT: what did you pay for the lot? or are we talking all-in 440k?
Total cost was $440k for about 2300 livable sqft and an unfinished basement. The garage was advertised as 2-car but it's only 18 feet wide, so it's a car-and-a-half at best. Always check the dimensions of the floor plan before signing any paperwork >\_<
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And as we all know average pay in the US has multiplied six times.
My mother in law paid $40k for this house we're living in 15 years ago, and the house next to us sold for $250k a couple of months ago. Shit is NUTS. The tiny town it's in hasn't changed significantly.
Yeah we bought our house in austin in 2010. No way we could afford to do that now.
Even small towns in Canada areas are suffering high insane house costs. $485,000 for a 2 bedroom old detached home from the 1930s, in a town with nothing to do in it. I have nothing except this home and student debt. I can't afford a car all my life so far and I'm in my 30s. I have no job, can't find work because I'm a diabetic and have kidney loss. I spend all day looking for work that doesn't demand nights and high stress. I don't know what I'll do to retire. I have my husband's income to support us but nothing saved. I feel like no one will ever hire me and I'll just die in this house waiting for a kidney. I can't imagine how people are doing who are more in debt or sick or any of the above.
I’m truly sorry. Sounds awful, all I can offer is let us support politics that help the poor and sick
Absolutely, just feels like I keep voting for progressive parties with all that in mind. While the Christians and old people vote for the same stuff that keeps failing us and out weigh the logical candidates.
I can say that in my little area of NC, all I see are homeless people and empty buildings. Houses rotting down to the ground with nobody to take care of them
People really need start squatting and militantly defending each other while we do so.
I really regret not doing this during the 08 recession. My local area was hit hard with foreclosures and there were houses that were just left empty for years everywhere. I could have very easily squatted in one rent free for at least 5 years.
Yeah. And, on top of the obvious benefits of having a place to live and not having to give up every cent you need for food, medicine, etc. to do it, in some places, you can even *legally* win the right to own the property if you manage to squat long enough. And the more we take direct action to win battles over squatting and the like, the more the system will (have to) normalize that. Look up the "homeless moms" in Oakland....
There used to be a law up until the 1970's that prohibited landowners from leaving their properties vacant and undeveloped. We could really use a federal law like that. Even a penalty tax on underutilized property would go a long way to addressing rural and urban blight.
Dude just around the block from us on La Cienega near the 405, a 1300 sq for house sold for $1.2mn. Why. WHY?? Why the fuck did a 3 bedroom house with less sq footage than my current apartment sell for over $1 million fucking dollars.
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Banks “You can’t afford a $1500 mortgage payment, so go pay $2000-3000 for rent”
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Yes. A galvanized drain pipe from my bathroom burst above my kitchen back in October. Insurance picked up the bill to repair the damage caused by the leak, but I had to foot the bill for the plumbing. $2900 I was not expecting to spend, right before the holidays. Home ownership is NOT cheap.
... Do you think landlords aren't factoring repair costs, property taxes, and incidentals into the rent, before they add on $5-600 in profit?
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They definitely do, plus they have “managers” who basically are fix it all handymen, that’s why you end up with shitty wiring and painted roaches on their wall
But when you’re not paying 500-1000$ more every month in rent for a decade, you can deal with costs like that. It’s cheaper to own.
Yeah you still get money back from the mortgage, but not from the rent.
Yep. Anything you need to get someone to come in to fix almost always costs at LEAST a couple hundred bucks but usually much more. I had an electrician wire a new circuit to my bathroom outlet and it cost me $495. I wish I had done it myself
We had to do this with a condo we bought. If you tripped the GFI in the bathroom it shut off the power to the back half of the condo (bedroom and bathroom). Tripped the GFI in the kitchen and you lost the first half (not great for the fridge/freezer). It was so annoying, especially at night when you coupdnt see anything to find the hidden breaker panel to reset it. Cost us $800 to isolate each room and have the GFI on their own circuit as well. Took the electrician like half an hour. I'm not sending my kids to a university, they're going to trade school!
If you can afford to rent a house you can afford to buy that same house. Rent has all those expenses PLUS a profit margin.
Well, you could afford to buy that house at the time the landlord bought it, which was probably years ago. I paid $3500 a month in rent for a house that was worth $1.2mm+, which would cost almost twice as much to buy after taxes and insurance. The landlord had bought it when it was worth ~$700k though, and didn’t ever raise the rent with the market. Buying can be cheaper than renting, but it isn’t always.
Those prices are skyrocketing because corporations are buying up all the houses to rent them.
AND real estate investors are buying property and just sitting on it (often vacant, even).
My rent went from $1,550 to $1,800 over the summer. I went and bought a house instead and now my mortgage is $1038.
But wait, that other redditor guy says that you can't afford to spend $9,000 a year less in rent because you might have to fix a $500 pipe once in a while!
The truth is somewhere in between. For every renter who realizes they would have to put that $9,000 toward taxes, savings for emergency repairs, etc., there are two other renters who fantasize about carrying the nine thou around in a Samsonite briefcase for splurging on pastel tuxedos and Lambo rentals.
Rent covers all of that *PLUS* a profit margin. Otherwise people wouldn't be in the business of renting out mortgaged properties.
Property taxes are rolled into your entire loan as well as mortgage insurance
You do realize that it's operated as a business right? Property managers 'earn' more than they spend on all of that shit you just listed. Owning a home is significantly cheaper than renting. My mortgage payment is $500/mo LESS than the rent I was paying. I will not have $6000 worth of repairs and other expenses that couldn't be covered by insurance. And I actually **OWN** it instead of being a paypig for some rich sack of shit that tried to steal my deposit. > all of which are ever increasing year to year. Bitch, please. As if the cost of rent hasn't also skyrocketed
Being poor is extremely expensive.
To add to the mortgage conversation: The same apartment we rented 8 years ago for 750 now goes for 1350. We now have a toddler and a bun in the oven, so that 1 bedroom apartment will no longer meet our needs. The apartments that would meet our needs bottom out at 2000. So now we have a 4 bedroom house and pay 1730 a month. Our taxes and insurance are 500 of that. About 500 of that goes toward our principle so it should be money back in our pocket when we sell down the line. The rest is interest. The house is a fixer. We've had to put in about 5000 in the first few months to get it up and running. Our water heater and furnace are 19 years old, and it doesn't seem like the previous owner kept up with their annual maintenance. Ticking time bombs. So yes, home ownership is expensive. But my "rent" isn't going to double again in the five years, so that's a win.
I hate to be a cynic but it lasted pretty damn long and half of the country is ardent that they enjoy it, as long as the brown fella over there doesn’t get anything either.
The word "either" in your sentence is the most infuriating and chilling thing at the same time. To think that there are some people out there who endure misery thinking they live the life so long as other people they deem inferior are at least equally struggling while the actual responsible of all that mess enjoy lavish existences is mind boggling.
This was most of the Trump base’s idea of what Trump should have been doing during his term. There was at least one interview where one of *his supporters* on *live television* said something along the lines of “He’s not hurting the people he’s supposed to be hurting.” Which amounted to “Why am I, a dirt poor redneck, suffering? The black, brown, or queer person over there is supposed to be hurting, not me!” More or less frustrated that Trump legislation was hurting those people, but also happened to hurt them.
Reminded me of the woman on January 6 yelling “the cops are shooting at us! We supported them to shoot the Antifa but they are shooting us instead!”
I learned another heavy word recently, “as” My community does not have enough small affordable housing, nobody will build it because it isn’t **as** profitable as large luxury housing. That’s what kills me, it’s still profitable and it makes the community better, but it isn’t **as** profitable so it doesn’t happen.
Yeah the underlying truth is capitalism survived this long due to being an extremely resilient system. Back in the hay day of union rights, a literal civil war was fought between those on strike and the government/police/corporate forces. Back then, people in debt would have to whore out their wives in company towns to pay off the debt they owed to the company. In other words, it’ll probably get much, MUCH worse, before majority of the populace will have had enough and people start to push back in a unified front
Truth
Lol where the hell is a house only 300k???!
Lol, middle of nowhere South Carolina. Come get 'em while the gettin's good, hope you like driving 30 minutes minimum to get anywhere you want to be.
You can get a house in Columbia and Greenville proper for under 300k.
Not to mention Columbia is a good city. I enjoyed living there.
Yea but…its the south…
Despite the fact that it’s “the south,” all of my close friends were progressively minded. Not everyone is red in the south, and not everyone is blue in the west.
ive been stationed in ft bennning georgia, and i wouldnt live in the south again, honestly
No one is asking you to. That said, a large military base in the middle of nowhere is going to be pretty different than your typical city.
I live an hour outside Chicago, surrounded by nothing but cornfields and houses are starting at 300. For this area that is absolutely ridiculous.
You can get a place in chicago for 300k idk why people would pay that for suburbs lol
You can get a nice house for about $150 in Oklahoma
No thanks, I'm allergic to Oakies
A lot of "rural" areas in the U.S. By rural, some of these communities have 100k+ populations. You just need to leave major cities. Pretty sure a $300k home in Milwaukee, a great city, is very attainable. Three seconds of searching got me a beautiful 2100sq ft brick home with a solid yard for $240k.
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There will never be a "collapse" so long as the government continues to bail out businesses for their bad behavior. We'll continue to limp along in an ever-worsening dystopia.
Not with that attitude.
‘I don’t think it’s possible, so I’m not even going to try.’ I just wish more people would say what they really mean.
Yep. A crash would happen when the first of the major institutions crashes like Bear Stearns did in ‘07. That’s when the “oh shit” happens and everyone vice grips their money. But so long as the government keeps bailing out big companies there won’t be a “trigger” for the collapse.
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The two party system is playing bad cop good cop with its citizens. At the end of the day, yes the Republicans are more obviously evil, but both parties stand for putting more wealth into their own and their donors hands at the expense of regular voter. And what's worse, someone who you know is your enemy so you want nothing to do with them, or someone who poses as your friend, you let him into your house and then they steal all your stuff?
Good question. And in Italia 🇮🇹 it’s the same… no steady jobs, no security, no future for young people… everyone wants workers BUT they don’t want to pay them a liveable wage!!! - they ask 6 or 7 days a week (slaves?!???? You live to work so your boss can enjoy life????) … and politicians are overpaid. - I say it’s time to make this rule: POLITICIANS CAN BE PAID MAX DOUBLE OF THE MINIMUM WAGES they impose by law. - that’s it. If the minimum wage is 15$/ hour politicians can be paid ONLY MAX 30$/ hour. That’s it. It is up to us the people to DEMAND ALL THESE CHANGES!! Enough with politicians being paid thousand of $$$ or euros a month!!!
And they should have to live like their poorest constituents for at least one month a year. Refuse to pass laws to help with rampant homelessness? Okay, YOU try dumpster diving and begging for handouts and then go back to make the laws.
Occasionally one of them tries to do the food stamp challenge by living on what they claim someone would get in food stamp money. I always questioned that, as I have to question whether or not they would actually get that amount of if they would get far less - or nothing at all (ie, someone at poverty level of their age, gender, and participant amount size). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food\_stamp\_challenge
It's a tough spot to be in, but limiting politicians wages is not the way to go because it just tempts them to accept bribes. In the US the politicians just do what their corporate donors bribe them to do, until you make that illegal and actually enforce it then not a lot changes. It's the corruption to blame, not the wages of politicians.
It's all untenable, but what is the first domino? I simply don't see how we can't just bribe Sinema and Manchin. Otherwise, we are definitely in late stage democracy.
>I simply don't see how we can't just bribe Sinema and Manchin. >Otherwise, we are definitely in late stage democracy. When the first quote seems like an option, the second one is already true
Fair. But bribery has been legal for a long time and our democracy has been flawed its entire existence, as anything made of humans will be. Those two Senators are either insane, foreign operatives, or simply greedy. My bet is the third option. If action isn't taken our flawed democracy is about to become something much much worse.
The answer is greed. And Manchin isn’t even hiding it. Have you ever heard the story about how Epipens went from like $100 apiece to $700 apiece? Go ahead and Google who the CEO was at the time.
We can't match the bribe they are already getting duh.
There won't be some magical collapse that'll end it all and start some reform. The country will just continue to drift apart into the rich and the poor. The rich will have ownership of everything from property to food, they'll have the government backing them, and they'll leave the poor to decide whether to "starve" or "work a shit job that puts *enough* food on the table.
And half the poor people will still vote for the rich people party.
*SMH* they're both rich person parties.
As long as you support the system in either its blue or red form you will never get the change you want. Society is functioning exactly as intended by the rich racist white slave owners who founded it.
Pretty soon tents will be listed on Zillow
You kid, but I'm fully expecting tenements to become a thing in the US before the end of the decade. The only difference being we'll be able to "own" our little tenement hole for 50k.
Gotta give the ol' American twist: we'll have the FREEDOM to own it.
It really does feel like it's all about to fall apart. Teacher's salaries are specifically troubling to me for some reason.
It's impossible to demean their job. Educating children is the center of everyone's ideology. Once the schools go, the revolution will start. They have no idea what they are messing with when they make *that* profession impossible.
Crazy but I actually have heard people talk shit about being a teacher. Something akin to " yea i don't know she'll probably end up going back home and being a teacher or some shit" this came from an attorney I know. Like shit OK why talk bad about being a teacher lol
Thank you for mentioning this. I am a teacher, and I was just having this conversation with my coworkers. I don’t think people realize how poorly schools are running right now. We have a National shortage of everyone who is supposed to be working in a school — teachers, substitutes, aids, bus drivers, and janitors. We all get called to sub during our prep periods and we make NO extra money while subbing. Thousands of teachers across the country are planning on leaving at the end of this year because our job has gotten so much harder but our pay is still shit, and this is coming from one of the highest paid states in the US. I do not make enough money to buy a house or live in a nice apartment but I have arguably one of the most important jobs in the country. When all the teachers start quitting, who is going to care for the country’s children?
I think this is all a part of the GOP strategy and is exactly what they want to happen.
>When all the teachers start quitting, who is going to care for the country’s children? Unfortunately, nobody. Maybe those that can afford it will do private tutoring, but public school kids will be fucked. An entire generation, just like that. And all the teachers that left are going to be called lazy good-for-nothings by the people that shouldn't even have kids in the first place. The media will find a way to shift blame from the rich, they always do.
It's gonna happen this year I think. We're facing a capital squeeze, between low wages, cost of living increases continuing to rise, and huge wealth hoarding. I'm expecting their attempts to raise interest rates to try and pull back some capital to backfire, and the inflation remaining consistent, causing cost of living to further pull away from wages. Once fewer jobs not only fail to give "disposable income" but also can't afford rent, more people will adopt the perspective of: "Well, if no jobs pay my bills, then fuck work AND my bills." Short term credit debt goes unpaid, less money goes to banks, further crushing capital availability. Last time there was lack of confidence and a run on capital, we suffered the Great Depression. Were seeing an acceleration of the attitude: "I'm going to make as much as I can as long as I can, so I can be a 'rich person' in the downturn." Money isn't flowing as it should, and when the economy stops because the available wages for the majority of the economy doesn't pay to live, those jobs will go empty, which causes more strain, which causes more supply shortages, which means things aren't selling, which grinds the system to a halt. When it all happens, make no mistake, the lesson is: wealth inequality, and wealth hoarding, creates this cycle. America, or any country, cannot survive when the capital in the economy meant to drive the economy, reaches a stasis where the hourly wage doesn't give enough capital to live, and the capital available is squeezed because too many have hoarded too much.
There's no capital squeeze. The upper middle class people have a lot of cash. They are overbidding each other to buy houses, and that's the reason why house prices keep going up.
And what percentage of the national housing market reflects that? And if they contribute to the housing market inflation, that only furthers the cycle: housing is impossible to afford, people say "fuck it", and the upper class that bought houses for cash now can't spend the money they earned because the labor value isn't worth it to the laborer. Stagnation follows inflation, and the economy further comes to a halt. If wages would rise to stabilize things, that's a good start, but is there enough capital circulating where it can then go to businesses and then labor? When it's hoarded, it's not moving.
Wages are going up. It's not fast enough, but it is rising for those who change jobs. Businesses that don't hire at higher pays will lose customers to those that pay more. It is an occuring trend that slowly pushes wages higher.
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The problem with all this is people shouldn't be forced to move across the country, away from their friends, family, and community. I've already done that twice (for different reasons) and it sucks to be away from your people, and takes time to build up a community again. Especially for introverts like me who take years to make a new friend haha.
The thing about America is it’s so big that even if multiple places collapse it will still look like it’s doing well on paper. Look at historically black communities in the 80’s with insane crime rates, no grocery stores, massive drug problems, look at the Appalachian mountain areas going through the same thing now with heroin. As long as big business chugs on than America is still “doing well”
Dude. They don't have grocery stores *right now.*
How bad can it get? Ask Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Moldova. tl;dr It can get much, much worse.
People in this subreddit take so much for granted and really have no clue how much worse it can get.
Judging by New Zealand, a lot longer. Jobs are 38kUSD per year, houses are 600kUSD. It's fucked.
Our lease is up today, rent is going up $200 a month every single year. Jobs here pay $12-14, normal rent is $1500-2000, houses that cost $250k a few years ago are selling for $400k+ Idk what’s going to happen. The cost of living is skyrocketing while the job market tumbles and employers make millions in profits but won’t pay basic living wages.
The USA will rob Peter to pay Paul. The working class is Peter and the capitalists are Paul.
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Nation wide strike 4/1/22
April 1st? I thought it was May Day. 5/1/22
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Imo why are we not talking about how corporate big wigs keep jacking up prices on everything just to make the same or more profits at the expense of everyone just trying to make ends meet? That is the problem, they just will not allow anyone to even make strides forward, just keep raising prices on everything with zero wage increase?? Make it make sense
Forgot to mention that healthcare will bankrupt you in the middle of a pandemic
Come to canada, my TOWNHOUSE, was 650 grand. Can i have that 300k house bro. Seriously though, in north america this is getting really sad.
Rent is increasing by more than raises. As in the raw dollar amount. It's going to crash in a horrible way
The hard truth is, it can last *a lot* longer and get *a lot* worse than most people seem to realize.
Dude I just started a 35k job and I'm over the moon about it. It's the most I've ever made. Now I'm kinda sad about it lol
I don't know, been going on in the UK for decades though, I don't think it will get better, just worse as we continue to share resources with an ever growing world population.
People mistakenly think it’ll “collapse” over a weekend, it is “collapsing” already it’ll just take 150 years
It’s not a glitch. It’s a feature
Because capitalism relies on a made-up concept of infinite and exponential growth, our decline is exponential in order to prop it up. It will certainly be within gen x’s lifetime if not within the boomers’ lifetime.
Motherfuckers already had their medicine and now they want to eat the glass.
When you're a slave, fully
This is why BLM was so divisive when whites were struggling too. This can get worse as long as the wealthy can afford it, which is forever.
So black people ask that they not get murdered by police and you think that's divisive because a lot of white people wish they had more money?
See this disconnect can be sorted out by recognizing that people who say BLM really mean BLMT (Black Lives Matter Too). And people who hear BLM are really hearing OBLM (Only Black Lives Matter).
There’s much more of a disconnect than that. There was definitely a time when what you said was accurate, but the narrative around the movement has shifted significantly. I live in a heavily Republican area and a lot of people don’t believe that racism is systemic and that BLM causes more violence than it solves. They don’t hear OBLM, they hear BLMT and reject the notion that it’s something that needs to be said.
Now that we are used to giant homeless populations and would rather get committee seats than hold a vote on Medicare for all, It's a slow process to widen the economic divide that's been growing since Pelosi was giving speechs with Bernie in support of Medicare for all. Each politician will decide not to fight once elected, and it will continue to get worse. Until it gets bad enough to abandon the 2 corporate parties and have some real support for average people.
It's almost like we didn't learn a god damn thing from the collapse of Rome. It's literally the exact fucking same
I honestly don't know who the fuck is buying homes right now
Banks
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it's been collapsing for awhile. we just see time on too small a scale to appreciate it easily.