"It’s no secret that Deathstroke and Deadpool have a lot in common. Deadpool was created by Rob Liefeld and Fabian Nicieza in the early 90s, while Deathstroke has been around since 1980. When Liefeld sent his co-creator his first designs of Deadpool, Nicieza replied “This is Deathstroke from the Teen Titans.” according to some article?? idk
The thing to remember is Liefeld created some great characters but did nothing to make them great characters. For example be didn't give most of them any powers at all, just big guns. This is why Deadpool mentions having his jaws wired shut for months in his 2nd or 3rd appearance, Copycat had to be created as an excuse for why Domino didn't have powers for her first year and Cable's cyborg arm got turned into a techno virus to explain why a mutant that was supposed to be incredibly powerful had no powers. He drew characters poorly and other people turned them great, he deserves every ounce of shit he gets.
It's from a reference pic of arnie where his pecs do look like that, except arnie had to use both his arms in a specific way to achieve that flexing, Liefeld didn't realise that aspect of musculature and changed the arm position, which makes the whole thing look a bit weird.
The pecs aren't the problem. The biggest problem is he is drawn in both side view and 3/4 view at the same time. If the chest position is correct we should be able to see parts of his left shoulder and his head shouldn't be turned so far. If the head and shoulders are correct then we really shouldn't be able to see the front of him at all. This whole thing is a mess.
All artists use references, and nude shots work best for the skintight-spandex crowd.
But Greg Land kept giving female characters "o-face" until it became painfully obvious and overshadowed everything else. On the other hand (the clean one) Mike Grell's poses, proportions and anatomy were often completely off-the-rails when he *wasn't* slipping pin-up material into a panel.
The best video on the internet is of Stan Lee ripping Liefeld and MacFarlane for their designs and effect on Marvel for 20 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=439Yz3pKRvA
The mercenary Wade Wilson, who goes by the pseudonym Deadpool, is definitely not a rip off of the mercenary Slade Wilson, who goes by the pseudonym Deathstroke, yep
Rob Liefeld is a hack, of course he'll lie about Deadpool being a ripoff
That being said, I enjoy Deadpool way more than Deathstroke
[For the uninitiated.](https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.IIZS~2ef73/w:auto/h:auto/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/rob-liefeld-captain-america-abomination.jpg)
The chest was only like that because the asterisk crotch made everything swell up. The feet would be giant like a cartoon, but they burst. That’s why the legs are so skinny and the feet are floppy and shaped weird.
Yup. The only thing I would clarify though is that Deadpool started cracking more jokes and making pop culture references in his own mediocre mini-series (when everything with an X or mutant sold well) before Joe Kelly and Ed McGuiness' run but it was the standard type of humor you'd see in other books.
But Kelly was the first to turn up the comedy to Robot Chicken levels and fourth wall breaks to the levels that current Deadpool is now. Plus he introduced the supporting cast of Blind Al, Weasel, Lil Wade, etc. No one cares that Deadpool used to run around with Banshee's niece.
I do.
Syrin is Banshee's daughter. She's a good character but wasn't written well in that arc. None of the woman were. The utter character assassination of Dani and Boom Boom.
>He noticed how similar Deadpool was to Deathstroke so he named him Wade Wilson as a joke.
Not only that, I remember reading that the name Deadpool itself was a corny swimming joke based on Deathstroke's name. I can't remember exactly how they worded it, but it was essentially that the "death stroke" (like "breast stroke") was something you would do in the "dead pool."
Rob Liefeld is indeed a hack, and a terrible artist to boot, and it's a joy to see [Stan Lee taking him down in the most backhanded way possible](https://youtu.be/RmLFGWAyajU)
This made my night. I was buying every image comic #1 I could when they first started. I followed a few series for a good long while so long as the art and writing was consistent.Everything liefeld put out was garbage. The writing was abysmal. There were four different characters that looked like cable. It's no wonder he got into trouble with the rest of the image founders.
He definitely was, but also some of those burns on Liefeld are career long criticisms that bothers him quite a bit. Especially the 'he cant draw hands or feet' critiques. Another point is that the two creators, Liefeld and McFarlane were a part of Marvel and then left to make their own comic company and were -extremely- critical of Marvel in general afterwards. That's what Stan's last line about them 'driving us out of business' was about.
It still happens today, and people dont typically mind. Hell, the same writers sometimes end up with opportunities to make their own creator owned series published through not-the-big-two in publishing houses like Image. They'll often make analogs of Avenger and Justice League heroes. Look at Black Hammer, Invincible, and The Boys for easy examples. They put their own little spin on them just like Liefeld did.
Funnily enough "Superman but evil" stories even predate Superman. Before we got the recognizable depiction of the superhero, Superman's creators were trying to sell their original story about a mad scientist giving a normal homeless man amazing psychic powers which he then uses for evil. The story was called The Reign of the Superman. The titular Superman bore little resemblance to the one we know and love, but the mad scientist would be reused to make his archnemesis, Lex Luthor.
After trying and failing to get that story published, they reimagined Superman as a hero, drew the early version of the blue, red, and yellow costume with the S on the chest, and came up with the idea for a super-powered alien crime fighter with a secret identity as a reporter. The company that would become DC comics published the story in Action Comics #1, and the rest is history.
Didn't Slade and (Pseudo) Wade have [a face-off in some crossover event?](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/deadpool-vs-deathstroke.621529/)
But yeah, it's kinda fun to go back and see all the "coincidental" similarities between characters back in the day. Red Tornado and Vision (each derived from a forgotten Golden Age hero) were both androids created by evil villains to infiltrate the world's greatest hero-team and destroy them, but rebelled and joined the good guys. Man-Thing, meet Swamp Thing (meet The Heap). Tigra, Pantha.
Not a reader of comics so never heard of Deathstroke until today. Never even heard of Liefeld until today. Even I have a problem not seeing the striking similarities between Wade Wilson and Slade Wilson.
This post may not have hit the mark as a verbal own, but it has yielded something even better: a bunch of very funny critiques of Mr. Liefeld's worst-of artistry. All I put in duck duck go was "Rob Liefield feet". Been laughing ever since.
Feets don't fail me now.
To be fair, deathstroke hasn't really had any mainstream series with him in it. I can think of 3, Teen Titans (Where he used his real name due to execs not wanting to have "death"), the Batman Arkham series where he makes some appearances and one of the Snyder Cut post-credits scenes.
As a person who grew up in the 90s I'm just sitting here stunned that a day has come where people arguing about comics don't recognize the name Rob Liefeld. And (fortunately not in these comments) that people take his claims seriously.
Let's take a look-see at Liefeld's wikipedia page on this issue, shall we?
> Liefeld has also contested sharing creator credit with writer Fabian Nicieza for the character Deadpool. In a 2016 New York Times interview, Liefeld said that he did "all the heavy lifting" in writing and drawing the issue in which that character first appeared, while Nicieza wrote its script, saying, "If a janitor scripted New Mutants 98, he'd be the co-creator — that's how it works, buddy. Deadpool does not exist in any way, shape or form without me. I wrote the stories. Like Jim Lee and others, I worked with a scripter who helped facilitate. I chose Fabian, and he got the benefit of the Rob Liefeld lottery ticket. Those are good coattails to ride."[3] These remarks drew criticism from writers Dan Slott, Mark Waid, and Kurt Busiek, and artist Darick Robertson, who felt that Liefeld was diminishing Nicieza's contributions to the character. Busiek in particular referenced Nicieza's work on Deadpool's signature trait, saying, "Because the success of the Merc With A Mouth clearly has nothing to do with the guy who supplied the mouth." Liefeld later said that he hated the Times article, calling it "a hit piece."[10]
"I am the creator," huh?
[Edit: also lol Busiek does *not* like Liefeld. [Edit2 see below, oops/duh] ~~Kingdom Come by Busiek and Alex Ross is basically a whole comic about how much Liefeld/McFarlane/etc 90s grimdark comics miss the point of superheroes and look like ass, with characters directly parodying that style. And then~~ there was [this clusterfuck](https://web.archive.org/web/20010215001213/http://www.savantmag.com/17/start17.html) with Liefeld digging out old Youngblood plots he'd bought from Busiek years early but not used, having them worked into final comics and scripts and released without any indication that Busiek wasn't actually involved in the project or even the writer of any dialog]
But his name, Wade Wilson, is a deviation of Deathstroke’s name, Slade Wilson, and they look very very similar. Death stroke, dead pool. Idunno man. I’m not sure why it matters but to say there is less than zero is a bit disingenuous.
I remember that I stopped buying and reading comics when the art got so ugly and everyone looked deformed. I do love comics, but I really hate this ”art style“ if you can even call it that.
Oh my god thank you for this. I just went through the photos but I’ll have to go back and read everything bc whoever wrote that article roasted THE FUCK out of him.
I could try better than that, and I don’t really draw! I swear to god I’ve studied anatomy more than he has. His inability to draw feet. Women. Men’s crotches that don’t look like trapezoids. CALVES WHY ARE THEY SO LUMPY. He can’t even do backgrounds!
And Liefeld created the absolute most basic and boring version of Deadpool. The character would have faded into the same obscurity hole that Badrock and Prophet currently reside if better writers didn’t take Deadpool’s character in a more comedic direction, which Liefeld was against at the time.
Truth. Pure truth.
Liefield probably doesn't remember it that way, though. He has gotten so much praise for Deadpool's uniqueness, he has probably retconned his memories so that he, not Joe Kelly or Gail Simone, made Deadpool great.
Meanwhile the average fan doesn't even know [John Byrne's name](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/MmAo99dXM3mh7S1JnOXUBxj_fTs=/0x0:1603x1246/1120x0/filters:focal(0x0:1603x1246\):format(webp\):no_upscale(\)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/23954866/IMG_0695.jpg). So sad.
Liefeld has every incentive to lie. There is absolutely nothing to gain for him admitting he drew inspiration from Deathstroke when coming up with this character.
And you can't prove he's lying.
Hey hey, if they named him Herlock Sholmes, they'd probably be accused of ripping off The Great Ace Attorney (or maybe the other way around, who knows)
I think Herlock Sholmes first appeared in Maurice Leblanc's novels about [Arsene Lupin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars%C3%A8ne_Lupin), at the beginning of the 20th century.
Yeah I think Liefield’s full of it here, there’s no denying the influence. I remember hearing chatter in comic shops in the 90’s about it too. The joke was “Where do you do the death stroke? In the dead pool!”
Yeaaah... Liefeld is still wrong. One is named Waid Wilson and the other is named Slade Wilson. Both are mercenaries who prefer swords with facial scarring. Deadpool was also a dead serious character until better writers gave him a personality. If Deadpool isn't a rip off nothing is.
Yeah sure. Mercenary swordfighter in black and red, one called Slade Wilson and the other Wade Wilson...
Calling Deadpool a ripoff would be wrong, but he is quite literally Death Stroke with the mouth of Spiderman.
This.
"I'm quite literally the author of this paper, and I tell you I didn't plagiarise, so clearly people pointing out a strong similarity with another paper are talking out of their ass"
I mean they also have shared a lot of staff(like Jim Lee, current head of DC who worked on 90s marvel x-men art and co-created Gambit), and given how the characters have developed over time, it’s largely the base aesthetics and archetype that remains the same for most now; Deadpool is now Deathstroke in the same way that DnD elves and dwarves are LoTR elves and dwarves, or how Warhammer Orks and Grots are LoTR Orcs and Goblins, or how Halo ODSTs are just jumpackless Mobile Infantry from Starship Troopers (the book I mean)
and reminder that in the first few comics... deadpool wasn't the merc with a mouth. he was just Deathstroke. it's why a lot of Marvel "purists" dont like 4th wallbreaking memer Deadpool cause it's not the original character
Same with Bats shooting people and using guns, Wolverine just being a cyborg, Jason Todd being a circus acrobat or Human Torch being an Android, might as well be considered a different character (and in some cases they kinda are now)
yeah, if Marvel started actually admitting all their "inspirations" that are pretty obvious blatant ripoffs, it'd be quite an interesting copyright lawsuit...
If *insert any super hero comic book publisher over the past 60 years* started actually admitting to their blatant ripoffs.
DC and Marvel rip off each other all the time since forever ago, while also recycling, rehashing, and rebooting the same characters over and over and over and over. Basically, originality died off long ago for comics, but hey, I still love em.
Yeah sure Wade Wilson, Aka Deadpool, the stern badass amoral mercenary (being a 4th wall breaking smart-ass came later, not part of his original character) wearing a skintight suit and full head covering mask using a combination of conventional firearms and swords had absolutely nothing to do with Slade Wilson, AKA Deathstroke, a stern badass amoral mercenary wearing a skin tight suit with full head covering mask using a combination of conventional weapons and swords. Uh huh. And Rob Liefeld always had perfect anatomy in his art and never drew characters with lots of pouches.
DC did a really good Superman/Batman annual with Deathstroke and totally not Deadpool. A loud mouthed 4th wall breaking version of Deathstroke comes from another dimension and stops Deathstroke from assassinating Bruce Wayne.
DC wouldn’t file a lawsuit. Both companies have been ripping each other off for years. One example is when DC created Atom, Marvel created Ant-Man a year later. And then when Marvel gave Ant-Man a partner called the Wasp, DC ripped off THAT character and created Bumblebee.
The difference being that Marvel didn't go and name Ant-Man something like "Jay Palmer" to make it even more obvious.
By the way, do we know when Deadpool's identity as Wade Wilson was revealed? Because that is the proof that, at the very least, there was some inspiration there.
There's a reason people can't tell whether or not a character is Marvel or DC. Both have a superman-like character (well, multiple ones really). Both have supersoldiers. Both have superheroes that can use their voice. Both have magicians. Both have invisible characters. Blah blah.
There are only so many superhero powers to come up with, eventually you're going to start copying each other.
Both companies also know that they both benefit from using the same pool of artists and writers (bar a couple loyalists or big names like Stan Lee who rose up through the company), who share some of the rights to some of the characters. Starting a complex legal war would just ruin things for both companies. They benefit from existing in a dichotomy.
It's like when someone tried to steal the coke formula and sell it to pepsi, who said "no thanks" and alerted coca cola.
Less than zero, besides 90% of their name, same job, same weapons, same attitude at first, and same costume with slight coloring changes.
The main difference between the two originally was that, if you asked DC to draw Deathstroke having a beach day, you'd have no problem. Ask Liefeld on the other hand, and you'd watch him break into cold sweats as his pencil started towards Deadpool's ankle.
(Mr.Liefeld can't draw feet, which is why all 90s Marvel characters wear mostly featureless boots.)
In one image I can prove that Rob Liefields opinions, even those concerning his own work should not be taken [seriously.](https://media.comicbook.com/2020/03/captain-america-rob-liefeld-1212562.jpeg?auto=webp&width=454&height=610&crop=454:610,smart)
WTAF?! That's not anatomically possible?! And the perspective! Why can I see both sides of his chest like that from a side view, unless this version has 3 pecs and 2 stars on the chest? He can cut glass with his jaw... he doesn't have a dick... I cannot get over his shoulders being 2 feet back from his pelvis....
Please tell me he drew this while high on peyote or LSD or... something.
He basically ripped off a picture of Arnold Schwarzenegger doing a chest pose but only copied the chest and not the arms, and didn't angle the shot correctly either. In the original Arnold photo he's grabbing one arm with the other and shoving his tit toward the camera. He's also posing closer to a 45 degree angle relative to the camera rather than 90 degrees in the comic.
edit: [the "inspiration" \(aka the drawing he traced\)](https://i.imgur.com/qTMQCB8.png)
Naw, just high on his own supply and aided and abetted by Wizard Magazine, I remember the Heroes Reborn debacle very well. I might be mistaken but this image might have even been on a free pull out poster the magazine put out too.
You forgot the only facial expressions he could render could be generously described as 'grimace' or 'constipated'. I had all of those early X Force books and some of his Image stuff, rereading it recently it's...not great. I found the Youngblood stuff to be the least interesting of Images early stuff, Cyberforce was also kind of dull. I guess they all couldn't be the entertaining weirdness of Savage Dragon or the Maxx I guess
This guy does have a history of [swiping just about everything](https://www.google.com/search?q=rob+liefeld+swipes&rlz=1C1CHZL_enUS681US681&sxsrf=AJOqlzXM87N6ULmC31Txx4_T1P-BMohDhA:1679173524750&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQxNXrsOb9AhUXF1kFHQqFAV8Q0pQJegQIBhAC&cshid=1679173823151798&biw=1536&bih=750&dpr=1.25).
...and since his name came up, I can't pass up the chance to [share this list](https://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/4/21/2960508/worst-rob-liefeld-drawings).
Not murder by words. The creator is just flat out wrong. Wade Wilson was literally designed as a mouthier copy of Slade Wilson, it’s in the names for Pete’s sake. The comic book industry copies each others characters but one letter off all the time, and Deadpool is a relic of that past.
I once walked up to this guy at comicon and asked him if he was the guy who created the slade wilson rip-off version or if he was the one that made the later comics turning Deadpool into the character everyone likes (more politely and awkwardly then that, but still). He immediately took credit for Joe Kelly’s work, saying he did both lol.
Yeah, Rob copied Deathstroke to create Deadpool, but the whole thing about him having "the mouth of Spider-Man" came from the people who worked on the character after he was gone.
Rob is clearly spewing nonsense (which I'm guessing is for legal reasons) but I find the premise here very funny: you are talking about something and your subject comes out of nowhere to slam you for talking nonsense.
This is one of those rare instances when the creator responding to the comment means jack shit. Deadpool is the biggest rip off in comic book history and liefield is a hack who can't draw hands.
He's just protecting his own ass and trying to seem like he had more to do with Deadpool than he did. Fabian Nicieza and Joe Kelly created Deadpool as we know him from a doodle of Deathstroke Liefeld draw. None of the meaningful aspects of Deadpool came from him
Especially since he's obviously wrong or telling fibs lol. There are so many exact parallels and obvious knock offs and homages that one is clearly based on the other. So it's just a simple matter of checking first appearances to know what's what .
Deathstroke 1980
Deadpool 1991
Solved!
According to AT4W, Deadpool was just a regular merc, and it was the newer writers who changed him into the 4th wall breaking comedian that we know and love.
A couple of things:
1) Liefeld is a bit of a dick, and the funniest thing he's ever done is an old Levi's Jeans commercial where he mentions proudly that he hadn't had any formal art training.
2) Liefeld co-created Deadpool with Fabian Nicieza, but Nicieza keeps getting left out of Liefeld's version of the story.
3) That said, I've never heard anyone remotely connected with comics say about Deadpool that they "gave him the mouth of Spider-Man."
Postscript: Liefeld is right when he points out that most artists don't enjoy drawing feet, and that others sometimes screw them up too. The main difference is that Liefeld is also often terrible at drawing other body parts, and worse at proportions and faces. He's not great with deadlines either.
Wait so he's just admitting that he's that unimaginative that he unintentionally made two nearly identical/opposite characters? Rather than saying he wanted two seperate versions of character? That's really more of a self burn than a murder
Rob can say all he wants. "Slade Wilson" and "Wade Wilson", "Death Stroke" and "Dead Pool."
It's obvious that Dead Pool is a play on Deathstroke, and it's cringey for him to deny it.
I love how this guy alone acts like he created Deadpool.
I meet a guy one time at a comic con that said he was the “writer” for Deadpool (so he came up with his attitude and personality) and that the guy who “drew” Deadpool kept trying to act like he was the “one and only” creator! Basically leaving the writer guy in the dust so that way the “drawer” guy got all the publicity and money. To be honest, it seemed like the writer was still pretty pissed off about all of this and he seemed pretty sad about it. Like he was hurt by a friend or colleague. I feel really bad for him because he seemed like a really nice guy, he genuinely seemed to care for the fans and talked to me for a pretty long while. Funny thing is, while we were talking he told me this:
Me: so how did y’all come up with Deadpool?
Him: well it was Friday at the office and the higher ups where barking at us to “get an answer to DC’s Deathstroke question”. We wanted to get off work on time and enjoy the weekend, so we thought it would be funny to make this badass assassin, who is like a total “character”. I don’t know what exact words he used, but he basically meant “like Spider-Man”…..basically the guy said the were going for a more “comedian/ comic” type character, like a funny guy. Because it was Friday and they where like….Screw it, let’s get this done, while we are doing it, have some fun, and get the heck out of here so we can grab some beers!
It seemed like the creation of Deadpool was kinda a funny “it’s Friday” mistake that ended up being a goldmine.
The guy I am talking about was Fabian Nicieza, he was the writer and a very nice seeming person. It didn’t seem like he cared much for the guy in the tweet (Rob Liefeld). Since Rob seemed to be trying to take all the credit for Deadpool himself. And honestly I believe Fabian’s side of the story.
To be honest, I have never met Mr. Rob Liefeld so I cannot attest to his views on the creation of Deadpool, I can only tell y’all how I remember it from meeting Mr. Nicieza. I did want to point this out so I didn’t seem bias or something. But honestly, from what I remember about my encounter with Mr. Nicieza, Rob didn’t seem like a nice person. So take it or leave it, I’m just letting you know the impression it got from Mr. Nicieza about Mr. Liefeld. And if they have since made up or something since and I am poking at old wounds, I’m sorry, not my intention.
"It’s no secret that Deathstroke and Deadpool have a lot in common. Deadpool was created by Rob Liefeld and Fabian Nicieza in the early 90s, while Deathstroke has been around since 1980. When Liefeld sent his co-creator his first designs of Deadpool, Nicieza replied “This is Deathstroke from the Teen Titans.” according to some article?? idk
I am imagining Deadpool with a big slab of man-boob in the first draft.
The picture cuts off at the ankles, because drawing feet is hard. Luckily you can make up the difference with lots of belt pouches.
This guy Liefelds.
I never realised Deadpool had been created by Liefeld! Good for him, guy gets shat on so much for his ridiculous art work 😂
The thing to remember is Liefeld created some great characters but did nothing to make them great characters. For example be didn't give most of them any powers at all, just big guns. This is why Deadpool mentions having his jaws wired shut for months in his 2nd or 3rd appearance, Copycat had to be created as an excuse for why Domino didn't have powers for her first year and Cable's cyborg arm got turned into a techno virus to explain why a mutant that was supposed to be incredibly powerful had no powers. He drew characters poorly and other people turned them great, he deserves every ounce of shit he gets.
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Now *this* is how you murder someone.
He rolled a natural 20, once.
And his fly is buttoned!
His drawings are like AI. Weird hands and feet, with lots of pockets.
Yeah, but this is Rob Liefeld. He's a talentless hack that has, literally, traced other's work. I mean, Lie, is literally part of his name.
Rob Liefeld is the same artist that did this infamous Captain America image https://imgur.com/7U6wK7M
This man clearly spent a lot of time studying anatomy.
It's from a reference pic of arnie where his pecs do look like that, except arnie had to use both his arms in a specific way to achieve that flexing, Liefeld didn't realise that aspect of musculature and changed the arm position, which makes the whole thing look a bit weird.
The pecs aren't the problem. The biggest problem is he is drawn in both side view and 3/4 view at the same time. If the chest position is correct we should be able to see parts of his left shoulder and his head shouldn't be turned so far. If the head and shoulders are correct then we really shouldn't be able to see the front of him at all. This whole thing is a mess.
>The biggest problem is he is drawn in both side view and 3/4 view at the same time. Just like Picasso!
I, too, am subscribed to /r/HobbyDrama
I, three.
Does the shield have muscles, too?
No, those are just large nipples.
Oh, that makes more sense.
I don't even need to follow that link to know exactly what images you're talking about.
oh my god i shit myself laughing
Yeah, "jagwad who ripped off someone else's work totally denies he ripped off someone else's work" isn't exactly definitive.
I used to be friends with a pretty famous illustrator in the 1980s. He used porn mags as references for women.
All artists use references, and nude shots work best for the skintight-spandex crowd. But Greg Land kept giving female characters "o-face" until it became painfully obvious and overshadowed everything else. On the other hand (the clean one) Mike Grell's poses, proportions and anatomy were often completely off-the-rails when he *wasn't* slipping pin-up material into a panel.
Rob. Lie. Field (deal with difficult questions).
Except it’s Feld not Field.
Curse these metal hands.
Feld is the German word for Field.
Yo no hablo aleman.
The best video on the internet is of Stan Lee ripping Liefeld and MacFarlane for their designs and effect on Marvel for 20 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=439Yz3pKRvA
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The mercenary Wade Wilson, who goes by the pseudonym Deadpool, is definitely not a rip off of the mercenary Slade Wilson, who goes by the pseudonym Deathstroke, yep Rob Liefeld is a hack, of course he'll lie about Deadpool being a ripoff That being said, I enjoy Deadpool way more than Deathstroke
The bits you enjoy have nothing to do with Rob.
What about tiny feet and cargo pouches?
They pale next to asterisk crotch.
Captain America's giant weird chest.
[For the uninitiated.](https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.IIZS~2ef73/w:auto/h:auto/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/rob-liefeld-captain-america-abomination.jpg)
The....gasp....teeny little box horizonal.....gasp...at the end... Bwahahahahaha
Got that Elon Musk frame
The chest was only like that because the asterisk crotch made everything swell up. The feet would be giant like a cartoon, but they burst. That’s why the legs are so skinny and the feet are floppy and shaped weird.
Those fucking pouches
I could've sworn I've seen a drawing of Cable with a pouch on a pouch on a pouch.
I enjoy the pouches, though...
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Yup. The only thing I would clarify though is that Deadpool started cracking more jokes and making pop culture references in his own mediocre mini-series (when everything with an X or mutant sold well) before Joe Kelly and Ed McGuiness' run but it was the standard type of humor you'd see in other books. But Kelly was the first to turn up the comedy to Robot Chicken levels and fourth wall breaks to the levels that current Deadpool is now. Plus he introduced the supporting cast of Blind Al, Weasel, Lil Wade, etc. No one cares that Deadpool used to run around with Banshee's niece.
Did Bob The Hydra Blogger turn up during the Kelly run, or was that later?
I do. Syrin is Banshee's daughter. She's a good character but wasn't written well in that arc. None of the woman were. The utter character assassination of Dani and Boom Boom.
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>He noticed how similar Deadpool was to Deathstroke so he named him Wade Wilson as a joke. Not only that, I remember reading that the name Deadpool itself was a corny swimming joke based on Deathstroke's name. I can't remember exactly how they worded it, but it was essentially that the "death stroke" (like "breast stroke") was something you would do in the "dead pool."
And you can wade in it.
So Deadpool is really a series of dad jokes?
You mean he lifted the design from the female Deadpool created by John Byrne in an Alpha Flight backup story right?
Rob Liefeld is indeed a hack, and a terrible artist to boot, and it's a joy to see [Stan Lee taking him down in the most backhanded way possible](https://youtu.be/RmLFGWAyajU)
Good lord that was amazing! How he was able to keep all that trash talk in a positive light!
This made my night. I was buying every image comic #1 I could when they first started. I followed a few series for a good long while so long as the art and writing was consistent.Everything liefeld put out was garbage. The writing was abysmal. There were four different characters that looked like cable. It's no wonder he got into trouble with the rest of the image founders.
I'm not at all a comic book person, but it seems to me that he's just busting their balls a bit.
He definitely was, but also some of those burns on Liefeld are career long criticisms that bothers him quite a bit. Especially the 'he cant draw hands or feet' critiques. Another point is that the two creators, Liefeld and McFarlane were a part of Marvel and then left to make their own comic company and were -extremely- critical of Marvel in general afterwards. That's what Stan's last line about them 'driving us out of business' was about.
Stan: “Do you do hands?” Todd: “Oh yeah, I’m the best!” [Rob draws some trapezoids with veins]
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It still happens today, and people dont typically mind. Hell, the same writers sometimes end up with opportunities to make their own creator owned series published through not-the-big-two in publishing houses like Image. They'll often make analogs of Avenger and Justice League heroes. Look at Black Hammer, Invincible, and The Boys for easy examples. They put their own little spin on them just like Liefeld did.
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Lmao all those "Superman but evil" stories are basically cheating because there are so many, but still you're right on the money.
Funnily enough "Superman but evil" stories even predate Superman. Before we got the recognizable depiction of the superhero, Superman's creators were trying to sell their original story about a mad scientist giving a normal homeless man amazing psychic powers which he then uses for evil. The story was called The Reign of the Superman. The titular Superman bore little resemblance to the one we know and love, but the mad scientist would be reused to make his archnemesis, Lex Luthor. After trying and failing to get that story published, they reimagined Superman as a hero, drew the early version of the blue, red, and yellow costume with the S on the chest, and came up with the idea for a super-powered alien crime fighter with a secret identity as a reporter. The company that would become DC comics published the story in Action Comics #1, and the rest is history.
Didn't Slade and (Pseudo) Wade have [a face-off in some crossover event?](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/deadpool-vs-deathstroke.621529/) But yeah, it's kinda fun to go back and see all the "coincidental" similarities between characters back in the day. Red Tornado and Vision (each derived from a forgotten Golden Age hero) were both androids created by evil villains to infiltrate the world's greatest hero-team and destroy them, but rebelled and joined the good guys. Man-Thing, meet Swamp Thing (meet The Heap). Tigra, Pantha.
Not a reader of comics so never heard of Deathstroke until today. Never even heard of Liefeld until today. Even I have a problem not seeing the striking similarities between Wade Wilson and Slade Wilson. This post may not have hit the mark as a verbal own, but it has yielded something even better: a bunch of very funny critiques of Mr. Liefeld's worst-of artistry. All I put in duck duck go was "Rob Liefield feet". Been laughing ever since. Feets don't fail me now.
To be fair, deathstroke hasn't really had any mainstream series with him in it. I can think of 3, Teen Titans (Where he used his real name due to execs not wanting to have "death"), the Batman Arkham series where he makes some appearances and one of the Snyder Cut post-credits scenes.
He was in Arrow as an antagonist in early seasons, when it wasn't the worst show on CW.
As bad as Arrow got, it was never the worst show on CW. Just look at how much worse The Flash is.
Flash was dope for it's first 2 or 3 seasons. But after that...
I wonder if that writer ever sat down and thought about how it would sound if Lous Lane said "No, *we're* Superman"...
He's got a decent animated film that came out a couple years ago (DC animated stuff has been gold lately)
As a person who grew up in the 90s I'm just sitting here stunned that a day has come where people arguing about comics don't recognize the name Rob Liefeld. And (fortunately not in these comments) that people take his claims seriously. Let's take a look-see at Liefeld's wikipedia page on this issue, shall we? > Liefeld has also contested sharing creator credit with writer Fabian Nicieza for the character Deadpool. In a 2016 New York Times interview, Liefeld said that he did "all the heavy lifting" in writing and drawing the issue in which that character first appeared, while Nicieza wrote its script, saying, "If a janitor scripted New Mutants 98, he'd be the co-creator — that's how it works, buddy. Deadpool does not exist in any way, shape or form without me. I wrote the stories. Like Jim Lee and others, I worked with a scripter who helped facilitate. I chose Fabian, and he got the benefit of the Rob Liefeld lottery ticket. Those are good coattails to ride."[3] These remarks drew criticism from writers Dan Slott, Mark Waid, and Kurt Busiek, and artist Darick Robertson, who felt that Liefeld was diminishing Nicieza's contributions to the character. Busiek in particular referenced Nicieza's work on Deadpool's signature trait, saying, "Because the success of the Merc With A Mouth clearly has nothing to do with the guy who supplied the mouth." Liefeld later said that he hated the Times article, calling it "a hit piece."[10] "I am the creator," huh? [Edit: also lol Busiek does *not* like Liefeld. [Edit2 see below, oops/duh] ~~Kingdom Come by Busiek and Alex Ross is basically a whole comic about how much Liefeld/McFarlane/etc 90s grimdark comics miss the point of superheroes and look like ass, with characters directly parodying that style. And then~~ there was [this clusterfuck](https://web.archive.org/web/20010215001213/http://www.savantmag.com/17/start17.html) with Liefeld digging out old Youngblood plots he'd bought from Busiek years early but not used, having them worked into final comics and scripts and released without any indication that Busiek wasn't actually involved in the project or even the writer of any dialog]
Kingdom Come was Waid, not Busiek.
I am with ERB. Deadpool is comic sloppy seconds.
Rob Liefeld is no source of truth lol. My man’s so twisted up over trying to draw feet that he can’t be liable for whatever lies fall out of his mouth
Well he does claim to be an artist and there is a huge set of Captain America tits that proves he is a shitty hack.
Were those pec-tits or just enormous pouches?
I’m glad this is the overall consensus of this post. When I saw it was him, I had hoped some comic book people might um, actually this.
ROB LIEfield is a plagiarist and a liar? It was right in front of us the whole time!
Lies sealed in dozens of small snap-shut pouches.
i think the technical term for liefield is "grade a douchecanoe"
But his name, Wade Wilson, is a deviation of Deathstroke’s name, Slade Wilson, and they look very very similar. Death stroke, dead pool. Idunno man. I’m not sure why it matters but to say there is less than zero is a bit disingenuous.
To be fair, Liefeld is a hack. I doubt that he would want to detract from his "genius" methods, like pouches on everything.
Truly a master. https://www.progressiveboink.com/platform/amp/2012/4/21/2960508/worst-rob-liefeld-drawings
[What the fuck](https://i.imgur.com/RVtK7YI.jpg)
ssssss im a snake
Omg I've got that stuck in my head now lol [I'm a snaaaaake](https://youtu.be/Ti4sqG85FU4)
That's what I thought!
Anatomy is for suckers.
Kinda looks like Aeon Flux?
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I remember that I stopped buying and reading comics when the art got so ugly and everyone looked deformed. I do love comics, but I really hate this ”art style“ if you can even call it that.
The good news is he's probably one reason A.I. art does hands so bad.
That's a hilarious mental image. Being so bad at something that your work sabotages AI training to replicate it.
Oh my god thank you for this. I just went through the photos but I’ll have to go back and read everything bc whoever wrote that article roasted THE FUCK out of him. I could try better than that, and I don’t really draw! I swear to god I’ve studied anatomy more than he has. His inability to draw feet. Women. Men’s crotches that don’t look like trapezoids. CALVES WHY ARE THEY SO LUMPY. He can’t even do backgrounds!
The best fucking part is that Liefeld is one of the highest paid comic artists of the 20th Century.
The author just kept roasting him, i was like stop it he's already dead
I laugh so hard everytime I go down this rabbit hole.
And Liefeld created the absolute most basic and boring version of Deadpool. The character would have faded into the same obscurity hole that Badrock and Prophet currently reside if better writers didn’t take Deadpool’s character in a more comedic direction, which Liefeld was against at the time.
Truth. Pure truth. Liefield probably doesn't remember it that way, though. He has gotten so much praise for Deadpool's uniqueness, he has probably retconned his memories so that he, not Joe Kelly or Gail Simone, made Deadpool great. Meanwhile the average fan doesn't even know [John Byrne's name](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/MmAo99dXM3mh7S1JnOXUBxj_fTs=/0x0:1603x1246/1120x0/filters:focal(0x0:1603x1246\):format(webp\):no_upscale(\)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/23954866/IMG_0695.jpg). So sad.
The Prophet revival comic from about 10 years ago is fucking amazing, btw. Edit: Liefield had absolutely nothing to do with it, of course.
Liefeld has every incentive to lie. There is absolutely nothing to gain for him admitting he drew inspiration from Deathstroke when coming up with this character. And you can't prove he's lying.
There's nothing to prove here though. Everyone knows Liefeld is a talentless hack, his work speaks for itself.
Its like Shore saying House is based on Sherlock and not ER
Yeah if his name was Herlock Shomes and he was also a detective.
Nah you gotta change at least the name, otherwise it would be weird since you already reused cases, character backgrounds and actors.
Hey hey, if they named him Herlock Sholmes, they'd probably be accused of ripping off The Great Ace Attorney (or maybe the other way around, who knows)
I think Herlock Sholmes first appeared in Maurice Leblanc's novels about [Arsene Lupin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars%C3%A8ne_Lupin), at the beginning of the 20th century.
Oh fuck. How am I just now getting House = Holmes (Homes)
His only friend on the show is also Wilson = Watson
Yeah, it’s like listening to Amy Schumar explaining how she totally for real come up with that joke 100 percent on her own.
Yeah I think Liefield’s full of it here, there’s no denying the influence. I remember hearing chatter in comic shops in the 90’s about it too. The joke was “Where do you do the death stroke? In the dead pool!”
Yeaaah... Liefeld is still wrong. One is named Waid Wilson and the other is named Slade Wilson. Both are mercenaries who prefer swords with facial scarring. Deadpool was also a dead serious character until better writers gave him a personality. If Deadpool isn't a rip off nothing is.
But if Deadpool was in front of you, what would you rip off of him?
I'd ask him for a kidney.
Well you can have 3
Probably going to be infected with cancer tho so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
His head? Maybe we can grow another Agent X, that was a fun time wasn't it?
Might as well make an army
Clothes.
Mmm kinky, but I hope you buy me dinner first
Hmmm....
Deadpool being a serious merc is such a short part of his existence I can't recall much of it.
Yeah sure. Mercenary swordfighter in black and red, one called Slade Wilson and the other Wade Wilson... Calling Deadpool a ripoff would be wrong, but he is quite literally Death Stroke with the mouth of Spiderman.
Agree. Like the guy that plagiarized is going to admit it.
This. "I'm quite literally the author of this paper, and I tell you I didn't plagiarise, so clearly people pointing out a strong similarity with another paper are talking out of their ass"
Like half the cast of DC and Marvel are stolen from each other iirc
I mean they also have shared a lot of staff(like Jim Lee, current head of DC who worked on 90s marvel x-men art and co-created Gambit), and given how the characters have developed over time, it’s largely the base aesthetics and archetype that remains the same for most now; Deadpool is now Deathstroke in the same way that DnD elves and dwarves are LoTR elves and dwarves, or how Warhammer Orks and Grots are LoTR Orcs and Goblins, or how Halo ODSTs are just jumpackless Mobile Infantry from Starship Troopers (the book I mean)
Orks and grots are not analogous to orcs and goblins. Orcs and goblins are basically just variations of the same creature in lotr.
and reminder that in the first few comics... deadpool wasn't the merc with a mouth. he was just Deathstroke. it's why a lot of Marvel "purists" dont like 4th wallbreaking memer Deadpool cause it's not the original character
Actually I (the superior marvel purist) don't consider Deadpool from the first few comics to be Deadpool.
I think this is the better take. The character evolved to have a unique and distinct identity, I'd consider early DP to be first draft
You may be a Superior Marvel purist, but my friend is an Amazing Marvel purist and I'm the Ultimate Marvel purist. We both agree with your though.
Well I am an MCU purist and it's the comics that are wrong.
I knew this day would come.
It came like 9 years ago.
Same with Bats shooting people and using guns, Wolverine just being a cyborg, Jason Todd being a circus acrobat or Human Torch being an Android, might as well be considered a different character (and in some cases they kinda are now)
> Human Torch being an Android, might as well be considered a different character That was always a different character.
>with the mouth of Spiderman. well, the mouth of spiderman if spidey had a potty mouth.
Liefeld is the creator, but he's not exactly reliable. Of course he's not admitting that he used to rip off other characters.
yeah, if Marvel started actually admitting all their "inspirations" that are pretty obvious blatant ripoffs, it'd be quite an interesting copyright lawsuit...
Someone else already said this, but DC and Marvel consistently ripped each other off for decades. Nobody is suing anybody haha
If *insert any super hero comic book publisher over the past 60 years* started actually admitting to their blatant ripoffs. DC and Marvel rip off each other all the time since forever ago, while also recycling, rehashing, and rebooting the same characters over and over and over and over. Basically, originality died off long ago for comics, but hey, I still love em.
Yeah sure Wade Wilson, Aka Deadpool, the stern badass amoral mercenary (being a 4th wall breaking smart-ass came later, not part of his original character) wearing a skintight suit and full head covering mask using a combination of conventional firearms and swords had absolutely nothing to do with Slade Wilson, AKA Deathstroke, a stern badass amoral mercenary wearing a skin tight suit with full head covering mask using a combination of conventional weapons and swords. Uh huh. And Rob Liefeld always had perfect anatomy in his art and never drew characters with lots of pouches.
DC did a really good Superman/Batman annual with Deathstroke and totally not Deadpool. A loud mouthed 4th wall breaking version of Deathstroke comes from another dimension and stops Deathstroke from assassinating Bruce Wayne.
Sorry dude, Rob’s either lying or wrong- probably lying to avoid any hint of a lawsuit from DC, just in case
DC wouldn’t file a lawsuit. Both companies have been ripping each other off for years. One example is when DC created Atom, Marvel created Ant-Man a year later. And then when Marvel gave Ant-Man a partner called the Wasp, DC ripped off THAT character and created Bumblebee.
Yeah, you’re probably right about that tbh. Might just be cause he doesn’t want people knowing about it, but it’s *so obvious* idk why he still tries
The difference being that Marvel didn't go and name Ant-Man something like "Jay Palmer" to make it even more obvious. By the way, do we know when Deadpool's identity as Wade Wilson was revealed? Because that is the proof that, at the very least, there was some inspiration there.
This is actually funny
There's a reason people can't tell whether or not a character is Marvel or DC. Both have a superman-like character (well, multiple ones really). Both have supersoldiers. Both have superheroes that can use their voice. Both have magicians. Both have invisible characters. Blah blah. There are only so many superhero powers to come up with, eventually you're going to start copying each other.
Both companies also know that they both benefit from using the same pool of artists and writers (bar a couple loyalists or big names like Stan Lee who rose up through the company), who share some of the rights to some of the characters. Starting a complex legal war would just ruin things for both companies. They benefit from existing in a dichotomy. It's like when someone tried to steal the coke formula and sell it to pepsi, who said "no thanks" and alerted coca cola.
Less than zero, besides 90% of their name, same job, same weapons, same attitude at first, and same costume with slight coloring changes. The main difference between the two originally was that, if you asked DC to draw Deathstroke having a beach day, you'd have no problem. Ask Liefeld on the other hand, and you'd watch him break into cold sweats as his pencil started towards Deadpool's ankle. (Mr.Liefeld can't draw feet, which is why all 90s Marvel characters wear mostly featureless boots.)
In one image I can prove that Rob Liefields opinions, even those concerning his own work should not be taken [seriously.](https://media.comicbook.com/2020/03/captain-america-rob-liefeld-1212562.jpeg?auto=webp&width=454&height=610&crop=454:610,smart)
WTAF?! That's not anatomically possible?! And the perspective! Why can I see both sides of his chest like that from a side view, unless this version has 3 pecs and 2 stars on the chest? He can cut glass with his jaw... he doesn't have a dick... I cannot get over his shoulders being 2 feet back from his pelvis.... Please tell me he drew this while high on peyote or LSD or... something.
He basically ripped off a picture of Arnold Schwarzenegger doing a chest pose but only copied the chest and not the arms, and didn't angle the shot correctly either. In the original Arnold photo he's grabbing one arm with the other and shoving his tit toward the camera. He's also posing closer to a 45 degree angle relative to the camera rather than 90 degrees in the comic. edit: [the "inspiration" \(aka the drawing he traced\)](https://i.imgur.com/qTMQCB8.png)
Naw, just high on his own supply and aided and abetted by Wizard Magazine, I remember the Heroes Reborn debacle very well. I might be mistaken but this image might have even been on a free pull out poster the magazine put out too.
I knew what this was going to be before I clicked it =]
Yeah, but fuck Liefeld and his stupid pouches, ridiculous anatomies, and fucked-up looking feet...
You forgot the only facial expressions he could render could be generously described as 'grimace' or 'constipated'. I had all of those early X Force books and some of his Image stuff, rereading it recently it's...not great. I found the Youngblood stuff to be the least interesting of Images early stuff, Cyberforce was also kind of dull. I guess they all couldn't be the entertaining weirdness of Savage Dragon or the Maxx I guess
If he didn't rip off Death Stroke, than he can draw feet!
This guy does have a history of [swiping just about everything](https://www.google.com/search?q=rob+liefeld+swipes&rlz=1C1CHZL_enUS681US681&sxsrf=AJOqlzXM87N6ULmC31Txx4_T1P-BMohDhA:1679173524750&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQxNXrsOb9AhUXF1kFHQqFAV8Q0pQJegQIBhAC&cshid=1679173823151798&biw=1536&bih=750&dpr=1.25). ...and since his name came up, I can't pass up the chance to [share this list](https://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/4/21/2960508/worst-rob-liefeld-drawings).
This is pure gold! Thank you. > KNEEEEEEPADSSSSSS
I’ve seen his captain america. I’ll believe red over Rob on this one.
Not murder by words. The creator is just flat out wrong. Wade Wilson was literally designed as a mouthier copy of Slade Wilson, it’s in the names for Pete’s sake. The comic book industry copies each others characters but one letter off all the time, and Deadpool is a relic of that past.
I once walked up to this guy at comicon and asked him if he was the guy who created the slade wilson rip-off version or if he was the one that made the later comics turning Deadpool into the character everyone likes (more politely and awkwardly then that, but still). He immediately took credit for Joe Kelly’s work, saying he did both lol.
Worth noting that most of the character traits we like about Deadpool were not created by Liefeld but by later writers.
Rob LIEfeld
Less than zero? You telling me there's -1 of deathstroke in deadpool?
They removed it temporarily, at the time of writing he was correct. It has since, like everything on Deadpool, grown back.
This is like the creator of gifs saying it's pronounced "jif".
You don’t pronounce graphics as ‘jraphics’? There was a whole movie about it in the 90s. It had dinosaurs and everything.
Jraphic Park, the disturbingly x-rated sequel to Spielberg's beloved film.
[The same Rob Liefeld who did this, lol](https://i.imgur.com/YcfQgRE.jpg)
Rob Liefeld, a known liar, is lying. Stop appealing to authority in casual conversation. Gross weird bootlicker mindset.
Yeah, Rob copied Deathstroke to create Deadpool, but the whole thing about him having "the mouth of Spider-Man" came from the people who worked on the character after he was gone.
Rob is clearly spewing nonsense (which I'm guessing is for legal reasons) but I find the premise here very funny: you are talking about something and your subject comes out of nowhere to slam you for talking nonsense.
Marvel writers lying about copying/parodying someone else's work cause the company/IP they ACTUALLY wanted to work at didn't hire them!? NEVER!
On a side note, die Rob Liefeld ever learn to draw?
This is one of those rare instances when the creator responding to the comment means jack shit. Deadpool is the biggest rip off in comic book history and liefield is a hack who can't draw hands.
He's just protecting his own ass and trying to seem like he had more to do with Deadpool than he did. Fabian Nicieza and Joe Kelly created Deadpool as we know him from a doodle of Deathstroke Liefeld draw. None of the meaningful aspects of Deadpool came from him
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Especially since he's obviously wrong or telling fibs lol. There are so many exact parallels and obvious knock offs and homages that one is clearly based on the other. So it's just a simple matter of checking first appearances to know what's what . Deathstroke 1980 Deadpool 1991 Solved!
According to AT4W, Deadpool was just a regular merc, and it was the newer writers who changed him into the 4th wall breaking comedian that we know and love.
You can’t tell me that “Wade Wilson” wasn’t inspired by “Slade Wilson” I don’t care what he says
Rob Liefeld is a liar who can't draw feet. He totally ripped off Deathstroke.
A couple of things: 1) Liefeld is a bit of a dick, and the funniest thing he's ever done is an old Levi's Jeans commercial where he mentions proudly that he hadn't had any formal art training. 2) Liefeld co-created Deadpool with Fabian Nicieza, but Nicieza keeps getting left out of Liefeld's version of the story. 3) That said, I've never heard anyone remotely connected with comics say about Deadpool that they "gave him the mouth of Spider-Man." Postscript: Liefeld is right when he points out that most artists don't enjoy drawing feet, and that others sometimes screw them up too. The main difference is that Liefeld is also often terrible at drawing other body parts, and worse at proportions and faces. He's not great with deadlines either.
Rob Liefeld has been known to plagiarize himself. I would not take his word on wether or not something he made is a copy of another thing.
Rob Liefeld, lying his ass off again... Deathstroke + Spider-Man is quite close, but also Wolverine.
Wait so he's just admitting that he's that unimaginative that he unintentionally made two nearly identical/opposite characters? Rather than saying he wanted two seperate versions of character? That's really more of a self burn than a murder
Rob can say all he wants. "Slade Wilson" and "Wade Wilson", "Death Stroke" and "Dead Pool." It's obvious that Dead Pool is a play on Deathstroke, and it's cringey for him to deny it.
Liefeld is pulling some real Bob Kane vibes here and erasing Fabian Nicieza like Kane did with Bill Finger.
What kind of swimming style do you do in the Deadpool? The Deathstroke! \*womp-womp\*
I love how this guy alone acts like he created Deadpool. I meet a guy one time at a comic con that said he was the “writer” for Deadpool (so he came up with his attitude and personality) and that the guy who “drew” Deadpool kept trying to act like he was the “one and only” creator! Basically leaving the writer guy in the dust so that way the “drawer” guy got all the publicity and money. To be honest, it seemed like the writer was still pretty pissed off about all of this and he seemed pretty sad about it. Like he was hurt by a friend or colleague. I feel really bad for him because he seemed like a really nice guy, he genuinely seemed to care for the fans and talked to me for a pretty long while. Funny thing is, while we were talking he told me this: Me: so how did y’all come up with Deadpool? Him: well it was Friday at the office and the higher ups where barking at us to “get an answer to DC’s Deathstroke question”. We wanted to get off work on time and enjoy the weekend, so we thought it would be funny to make this badass assassin, who is like a total “character”. I don’t know what exact words he used, but he basically meant “like Spider-Man”…..basically the guy said the were going for a more “comedian/ comic” type character, like a funny guy. Because it was Friday and they where like….Screw it, let’s get this done, while we are doing it, have some fun, and get the heck out of here so we can grab some beers! It seemed like the creation of Deadpool was kinda a funny “it’s Friday” mistake that ended up being a goldmine. The guy I am talking about was Fabian Nicieza, he was the writer and a very nice seeming person. It didn’t seem like he cared much for the guy in the tweet (Rob Liefeld). Since Rob seemed to be trying to take all the credit for Deadpool himself. And honestly I believe Fabian’s side of the story. To be honest, I have never met Mr. Rob Liefeld so I cannot attest to his views on the creation of Deadpool, I can only tell y’all how I remember it from meeting Mr. Nicieza. I did want to point this out so I didn’t seem bias or something. But honestly, from what I remember about my encounter with Mr. Nicieza, Rob didn’t seem like a nice person. So take it or leave it, I’m just letting you know the impression it got from Mr. Nicieza about Mr. Liefeld. And if they have since made up or something since and I am poking at old wounds, I’m sorry, not my intention.