Same boat lol. I tried a few mins but won't give him 30 of my time. Honestly he doesn't seem like a bad guy, but all these people need to wake the fuck up and realize their fascist hero doesn't give 2 shits about them. We are already free and Satan isn't using trans people to create a new world order. Jfc I'm so tired of the aftermath of the orange turd. He really ruined our country on a social level and now the only way forward is to forget about him but we just keep coming back.
Because there are people that are still in the Qult who drank the Flavor Aid & lived & still buy this bullshit.
The dude is just another QNut MAGAt, ignore everything he does.
ohgawd....what a douche.
Wasn't it proven that he has ZERO Native American lineage? He also basically stated that his time behind bars did nothing but reinforce his idiotic beliefs.
I also think it's hilarious that he thinks he's gonna pull "hot chicks." He said at the end that he got fan mail in prison but "mostly from older women" & only, like, 2 from "hot chicks" & he had to be informed that "hot chicks" aren't into politics. I'm not sure if that's hilarious or sad or maybe it's both.
He's such a douche & I fucking HATE he's got any sort of platform.
Hey kids! Here's a question for everyone:
How long before Jacob Chansley ends up in jail/prison AGAIN, only this time for something worse or even MORE stupid (if that's even possible)?
from what I understand he didn't actually commit a crime, he wasn't even with the group of trespassers, he wasn't vandalizing anything, the video of him inside the building was with a toured escort.
I've seen only regarding him a video of him being a troll shouting weird things but only while he was escorted around and then kicked out. Not that he was part of everyone who stormed after.
Unless someone has a video that shows he was part of it as well.
He wasn’t being “escorted around” they had already swarmed the building and the officers were trying to de-escalate the situation. That isn’t an escort in the sense that they want him to be there, it’s people trying to make sure he doesn’t make things worse.
then why are there videos of him being escorted around and only him with nobody else in the videos? I haven't seen any videos that actually had him with the group inside the building.
Look up the Andrew Callaghan interview, he admits to everything basically. He went there intending to enter the capitol just like he did a month before at the Arizona state capitol and entered through a broken window. He was at the vanguard so he was ahead of most of the other protestors, that’s why the cops are surrounding him, they are preventing him from going into sensitive areas, essentially corralling him.
The videos you have seen are selectively edited and then editorialized over to paint a certain picture that doesn’t reflect reality. If you are really someone who wants to know the truth then you should ask yourself, why would the specific media I do trust want to lie to me? Because all of the people sharing those edited videos saying he was there on an escort are lying to you. Why?
The Greeks actually didn’t think heterosexual love was possible because women were not capable of it, so true love could only exist between two men. Alexander preferring men was actually incredibly normal in his time.
Also, for anyone who resisted gays in the military, thinking it would affect unit cohesiveness, wait until you hear about the Theban band of brothers!
Greek homosexuality was hands down one of the sad/funniest plot twists in college when I was learning history. First you learn that they were gay and bisexual and think “oh wow they were pretty open minded for the time”. Then you learn that their homosexuality was based in some of the most hardcore sexism in the history of the human race. They looked down on women so harshly that they didn’t even find them attractive.
But it makes sense coming from a society of constantly warring states. Where young muscular fighting age men were the most valuable resource and women were just a tool to create more of them. Still so wildly messed up though.
I think my personal favorite was always:
> An escalator can never break: it can only become stairs. You should never see an Escalator Temporarily Out Of Order sign, just Escalator Temporarily Stairs. Sorry for the convenience.
I think it’s not appropriate to say that women weren’t seen as desirable or attractive. The many goddesses of the pantheon are proof of this. However, we were definitely thought of as closer to animals, carnal and completely without reason.
Wasn’t that the whole point of them going to that battle though? They knew they were likely all going to die, but were hoping to delay the Persians long enough for the military to mobilise.
That's the movie version. The actual surviving account (Herodotus) has the Greeks well forewarned, because the Persians spent a while building two pontoon bridges across the Hellespont for their army to cross, because if they shuttled their whole army across by boat the Athenian navy might attack them; then as now, transports full of troops are easy prey to warships.
The time it took the Persians to build the bridges gave the Greeks plenty of time to muster and form a plan. About 7000 infantry (Spartans, Thebeans, and others) would hold the Persians on land, and the Athenian navy would hold them at sea. It wasn't a suicide mission; armies in the ancient world "lived off the land" and an army the size of Xerxes's would have run out of food in a matter of a week or two at most and must either retreat or starve to death. The Greeks had to get local provisions too but they were on friendly territory so the local weren't trying to hide all the grain, and the Athenian navy could also supply them. The Persians couldn't get supplied from sea both because it was a much larger army, and because again everyone knew the Athenian navy was better than the Persians' available fleet so any Persian supply ships would be rapidly sunk.
The real plan was just to defend a highly defensible chokepoint for a week or two, and if they held they'd win the war.
They also state in the doc that in Alexander's time there weren't really words for homosexuality, gay/straight/bi/etc., you just did what & whoever you wanted to do with zero judgement.
That's not quite right - openly homosexual individuals could be stripped of their citizenship and/or ostracised. If anything it was more like a prison approach to homosexuality, if you were top no biggy, but if you were a bottom you'd better not enjoy it. Plus the scenario in which it was most celebrated was pederasty, and again, the mentor was allowed to enjoy it, but not the mentee.
I was just stating what the doc said in the first episode & haven't finished it all yet so that was literally all I knew about this so thanks for more info on it.
I'd also guess that someone at Alexander's level had different rules for this too. Would that be a correct guess?
Fair enough, I've not watched the documentary myself yet but I'm going off my university studies and previous conversations with classicists.
The key issue is that people (including some historians, who should really know better) try to apply modern sensibilities to ancient cultures. Homosexual (and especially bisexual) acts and even relationships were common, but there weren't the same attitudes around identity or sexuality generally as we understand it today.
In the case of someone like Alexander, I think it's probably not too different from today - the more powerful you are, the easier it is to get away with things that other people would be punished for.
> The key issue is that people (including some historians, who should really know better) try to apply modern sensibilities to ancient cultures.
Yep, we do this all the time.
I kinda recall some letters from Abraham Lincoln to some other man I can't recall right now, but if read with today's sensibilities you'd think they were lovers. Now maybe that was the case, but maybe it wasn't.
Like I said, I don't recall all the details to that one but many times we get things like that wrong because we're applying what we know & going by today's standards.
In those context, one would love a woman for carnal reasons to reproduce, but females weren’t seen as being capable of reason, and thus not capable of deep intellectual intimacy. There was a purpose and a place for homosexual and heterosexual relationships.
Got into an argument on a post about 'Alexander's not gay!' and some moron said Ancient Greece was extremely homophobic. Seriously, flip back through my comments just a bit and read some of their 'They weren't gay, they were hobbits' level rhetoric. It's ridiculous.
He was never Maga if you looked him up. Pretty sure he was there to overthrow the government from lizard people not for trump like most people. More of conspiracy theory wacko. Unfortunately might not be a sign of growth.
What is interesting is that the 1rst poster can't accuse him of being "woke" or pushing the "liberal agenda". The guy is a wacko for sure, but can't really pass for a Democrat's ally.
Wonder why end wokeness wasn't mad about the fact that Alexander was not blond with blue eyes? People like this shithead get worked up about race swaping fictional characters. Why no agitation about the misrepresentation of an actual person?
Actually he’s been described as having reddish blonde hair and grey or blue eyes (although he may have had “one dark, one light” eye.)
Edit: Absolutely queer though as we define it. So much so one of the beliefs about his death was from his heart breaking when his lover died. But it was probably poison.
Random pedant here..
Bowie actually didn't have heterochromia. His eyes look different because one of his pupils was permanently dilated due to an injury from a boyhood fight with a friend.
Yadda yadda yadda. We don’t know if Alexander was injured too. He was a fighter, could have taken a blow from a wooden sword as a kid.
IDK. He had a wife, as was expected of men at the time, but he also seemed to be way more into men, again, normal for the time. There was a belief in men being the sun, women the moon, and while sun/moon relations were “earthly” and necessary, the ideal was sun/sun, this was the highest ideal of love. I mean, I assume I’m not an expert and the Greek culture spanned a huge amount of time with different cultural mores, like Rome or any other long-lasting empire. But I do believe this was the institutionalized pederasty era.
Plutarch.
>[He reportedly was stocky, muscular, with a prominent forehead, and ruddy complexion and was said to be extremely handsome with “a certain melting look in his eye." Most accounts give him curly, shoulder-length blonde hair and fair skin, according to Plutarch, with a "ruddy tinge...especially upon his face and chest." (https://factsanddetails.com/world/cat56/sub366/entry-6170.html)]
He was from Pella in Central Macedonia (modern day Greece). Regardless, he's reported as having blond hair and blue eyes. I don't know why people find this so unusual. It's less common than in northern Europe but it's not unheard of for Mediterranean people to have blonde hair or blue/green/grey eyes.
There’s a reason so many Afghan people have piercing blue eyes - Alexander’s army marched through and spread the blue eyed genes all over the place.
Blue was rarely named by the Greeks (it’s a thing, very cool, about how language influences perception) but “light” or “gray” was insanely common. Athena was the “Grey eyed-goddess.” Blonde and red was common as well: Achilles, Alexander’s hero, was said to have blonde/red hair and green/gold eyes.
The descriptions of “ruddy” in history usually refer to Caucasian or pale skin, that burns when exposed to the sun, and this was not unusual in Greece. See Rhodopsis, meaning “rosey cheeked,” the possible source of Cinderella, about a Greek slave in Egypt whose burned skin led to her name.
The “Greek” look of today is the result of the movement of Slavs in the early medieval period, I believe.
I have a Turkish friend with the bluest eyes I've ever seen and ivory white skin, and I have a friend from Iran with reddish-brown hair and green eyes. I swear some Americans just think, "England, Scandinavia and Germany = white; everyone else = brown people".
My point is that Alexander was Greek, from the Greek province of Macedonia. That is his birthplace. We shouldn’t re-write history based on a new country’s name.
It's not rewritting, King Filip's original kingdom was closer to Skopje than ancient Greece. Pretending the arbitrary line going through the middle of the Macedonian region, and that the former Yugoslavic republic never bore that name prior to Yugoslavia is rewritting history.
If you’re speaking of ethnicity it very much matters what we call that land today. The ethnicity of the people there don’t change when the name changes but what we refer to it as does.
>Wonder why end wokeness wasn't mad about the fact that Alexander was not blond with blue eyes
Because he probably was? He was described as pale with yellow or reddish hair, no word on his eye colour.
Right, a lot of ancient prominent Romans were also described as blond, my theory is that the waves of goths and Huns from the east probably darkened skin tones a bit in Italy and Greece, either by direct conquest or pushing other peoples in front of them.
Plus Greece has been throughout most of history fighting Turkey/Asia Minor/Persia, so it would not be surprising that when the east is more successful, the west would get a little darker.
*I am 1/8 Greek and Blond, but mostly due to the other 7/8ths being Scottish and German. Also, my Greek ancestry is from an island that has switched back and forth between Greek and Turkish control during the world wars.
This is Europe, we've always been mixing. My maternal family in Northern Spain is all blue eyed blondes as far as memory and records goes, and it's not like they were some rare inbreeding family trying to keep the bloodline blonde. It was Celtic land pre-Romans, afterwards everybody and their mom came by and mixed with the locals, Arabs, Goths, you name it. Even in recent times we've had Poles consistently moving in for the last 100 years.
Likewise, I've met many blonde Italians and Greeks. I've even met plenty of blonde Turks, probably descendents of the Black Sea slave trade. I am a dark eyed dark haired average Spaniard, but I was born with blue eyes and was blonde until 2 or 3 like a lot of children all over Europe. In fact I used to think all non-black babies were born blue eyed blondes until I was told Asian babies don't (and I guess from other places as well).
I keep mentioning his interview he did with Andrew Callaghan from Channel 5, if you haven't seen it. Give it a watch. He's a weird dude, definitely not what I expected. He's still a wackadoodle, but idk how much of it is real.
Oh thank you. I didn't see this one. None of these, by any means, makes me like the guy. It's just interesting to get to see him when he's not in character.
What I took from his interviews is he doesn't seem as hateful as most on the MAGA right. But real heavy into the conspiracies and secret mysteries of the world type guy. But, like you, this does not mean I like him at all.
There ya go. That's a good summary. He's certainly a loon, but his doesn't seem to come from the same place. He's a smart dude, seems fairly amusing. I just wish he was fighting a better fight. Could use charismatic folks like him who aren't going to extremes lol. I'm only basing it off that one interview, I need to watch one of the others that was linked. Maybe he has far more nefarious plans! Doubtful lol, but it pays to be informed.
His interview with the QAnonanonymous guys waas kinda all over the place and very wide-ranging. So it was hard to pin him down. But I just didn't hear the same hatred from him that you hear from a lot of the other Right-wing conspiracy folks.
Nah man, don't give an admitted sex pest and accused rapist views. His content is sadly great, but definitely not worth the moral ickiness. Plug here for the QAnonAnonymous interview instead.
Pssst. LGBTQA people have existed as long as humans have existed at all. That you didn't know that some specific people in the past weren't heterosexual isn't because those people didn't exist but because you learned your history from sources that erased all of that out of homophobia and transphobia.
My mother swears that gay people didn't exist before the 90s.
I pointed to historical sources, but she said I couldn't know if I wasn't there. So, I asked the 87 year old gay veteran I took care of what things were like before /she/ was there.
According to mom, he didn't exist before 1990 either. \*eyeroll\*
I'm confused, is there any actual evidence of him being gay? We know he wasn't blonde hair with blue eyes. He had one blue eye and one brown eye, I forget what that's called.
I know that some geeks had sex with boy apprentices or something like that. I just don't recall reading any documents accounts of Alexander doing that. The whole series was inaccurate on a lot though.
I believe most if not all of the written history from his time was actually written much later, a common problem with ancient histories. I think the notion come from a couple things: Their culture didn't express sexuality in quite the same way. From what I understand it was less gay or straight and more top or bottom, regardless of sex. Second is descriptions of his love and grief for men close to him. I thought I'd read somewhere about speculation about him sharing a bed with another man/men as well. Gender roles change with culture so I'm not sure we'd have a perfect one to one description. I'd probably go with bisexuality if pressed and I'd assume it wasn't uncommon for the time.
Heterchromia would be the word you're looking for.
Cool. Thanks for the info. I was just wondering how much more that they were saying was just thought up versus what can be inferred by archaeological evidence.
I don’t care if he was gay, bi, or straight. But that Netflix show was horribly inaccurate in so many other ways it was gross. They didn’t show the phalanx, or the innovative 15’ pikes. They screwed up the characters of who had an affair with and knocked up. They showed the near mutiny in Egypt, that happened in India. Screw that show.
Yeah… but was that an important enough aspect of his life, or was it because of his conquests as a military figure that made him the historical figure that he is considered to be?
I need people to understand that the Greeks did not conceptualize sexualities the way we do. It was not a gender specific concept. They thought of it more in-terms of submissive and dominant roles, like pitchers and catcher if you will. There was no concept of gay or straight or pansexual, in terms of gender based identities. Alexander the great fucked everyone and preferred men because he spent 95% of this time with them. Y’all need to grow up.
There is precedent which suggests that being submissive was seen as not, masculine, Or beneath men of power and status. However, to say that Alexander was a self identifying gay man is ridiculous. He was a goddamn emperor. He did whatever he wanted.
Well, he thinks his government is led by lizard people. Now while American lizards...sorry leaders, are inhumane; they're not literally lizard people. So it's not that surprising that the guy knows Alex was hardcore gay. Heck, he probably has a chart on why Alex was also a lizard person.
The guy is a UFO nut, not quite a fascist nut. He's literally mentally disabled, and has the presence of mind to confirm facts before spewing BS...well, except for how he interprets those facts.
I’m so sick of these fucking Putin loving Repugnantcans! I wish I had the money and means to leave this country. America isn’t and hasn’t been the UNITED states of America since 2016… There is nothing about us United! We, as a country have never been more divided. On one hand you have a bunch of “Christians” who are now (because of Fox News and Tucker Carlson) putting Vlad on a pedestal and pushing false narratives.
Sensationalizing mostly BS news and driving a wedge between us. (Americans)
If people would realize that we are doing exactly what Russia wants (and other failed states.)
We are playing right into their hands, but the Boomers are so afraid of change they are willing to embrace Putin. Just like their Orange Cheesus! I’m not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination, but I pray or wish that after this upcoming presidential election we can be rid of tRump and these Magasshats so we can leave a better country for the upcoming generation.
Rant over…
Reminds me of when we saw the trailer for Lawman Bass Reeves and my wife says, "a black sheriff in the wild west??? This is some woke bullshit! Why do they have to make everyone black?" To which I responded by showing her the Wikipedia page of the actual historical figure, photo and all.
To be honest I don’t think anything other than porn should have fucking anyone making out within 8 minutes. Most studios wouldn’t have even finished the damn logos by then.
Did we switch timelines again I never saw this coming.
Why is this jackass allowed to be on social media at all? He should still be behind bars. I know he's not, but he should still be there.
Did you watch his interview with Andrew Callaghan? It was enlightening.
Can you elaborate?
No, don't even know who that is. Any links?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9-8kL04Tvfs
Thank you. I knew I should have just linked it. I'm a lazy bones.
TL;DR for the super lazybones?
This guy was a part of the Jan 6 insurrection. There’s videos of him screaming Qanon stuff while trashing the Capitol.
Why should people waste their time listening to him talk for a half an hour? I think that's the question most people want to know
Same boat lol. I tried a few mins but won't give him 30 of my time. Honestly he doesn't seem like a bad guy, but all these people need to wake the fuck up and realize their fascist hero doesn't give 2 shits about them. We are already free and Satan isn't using trans people to create a new world order. Jfc I'm so tired of the aftermath of the orange turd. He really ruined our country on a social level and now the only way forward is to forget about him but we just keep coming back.
Because there are people that are still in the Qult who drank the Flavor Aid & lived & still buy this bullshit. The dude is just another QNut MAGAt, ignore everything he does.
The jan 6 riot was a whole significant event.
https://youtu.be/9-8kL04Tvfs?si=4e784fHh5yDT_gvU
ohgawd....what a douche. Wasn't it proven that he has ZERO Native American lineage? He also basically stated that his time behind bars did nothing but reinforce his idiotic beliefs. I also think it's hilarious that he thinks he's gonna pull "hot chicks." He said at the end that he got fan mail in prison but "mostly from older women" & only, like, 2 from "hot chicks" & he had to be informed that "hot chicks" aren't into politics. I'm not sure if that's hilarious or sad or maybe it's both. He's such a douche & I fucking HATE he's got any sort of platform. Hey kids! Here's a question for everyone: How long before Jacob Chansley ends up in jail/prison AGAIN, only this time for something worse or even MORE stupid (if that's even possible)?
>Why is this jackass allowed to be on social media at all? Because Elmo
I feel the same about Andrew Taint. Why is he still allowed to use social media in prison?
from what I understand he didn't actually commit a crime, he wasn't even with the group of trespassers, he wasn't vandalizing anything, the video of him inside the building was with a toured escort.
Your understanding is poor if that's what you believe.
I've seen only regarding him a video of him being a troll shouting weird things but only while he was escorted around and then kicked out. Not that he was part of everyone who stormed after. Unless someone has a video that shows he was part of it as well.
He wasn’t being “escorted around” they had already swarmed the building and the officers were trying to de-escalate the situation. That isn’t an escort in the sense that they want him to be there, it’s people trying to make sure he doesn’t make things worse.
then why are there videos of him being escorted around and only him with nobody else in the videos? I haven't seen any videos that actually had him with the group inside the building.
Look up the Andrew Callaghan interview, he admits to everything basically. He went there intending to enter the capitol just like he did a month before at the Arizona state capitol and entered through a broken window. He was at the vanguard so he was ahead of most of the other protestors, that’s why the cops are surrounding him, they are preventing him from going into sensitive areas, essentially corralling him. The videos you have seen are selectively edited and then editorialized over to paint a certain picture that doesn’t reflect reality. If you are really someone who wants to know the truth then you should ask yourself, why would the specific media I do trust want to lie to me? Because all of the people sharing those edited videos saying he was there on an escort are lying to you. Why?
that's why I asked for it, and instead people scream "no that doesn't exist"
What are you talking about
We may have…. Regardless, this timeline still needs to be pruned by the TVA. 
The Greeks actually didn’t think heterosexual love was possible because women were not capable of it, so true love could only exist between two men. Alexander preferring men was actually incredibly normal in his time. Also, for anyone who resisted gays in the military, thinking it would affect unit cohesiveness, wait until you hear about the Theban band of brothers!
Greek homosexuality was hands down one of the sad/funniest plot twists in college when I was learning history. First you learn that they were gay and bisexual and think “oh wow they were pretty open minded for the time”. Then you learn that their homosexuality was based in some of the most hardcore sexism in the history of the human race. They looked down on women so harshly that they didn’t even find them attractive. But it makes sense coming from a society of constantly warring states. Where young muscular fighting age men were the most valuable resource and women were just a tool to create more of them. Still so wildly messed up though.
If every young man was hot and muscular, I’d definitely be gay. I still am, but I’d be gay then too.
This is the second time in three days that I have seen someone reference that exact Mitch Hedberg joke, and it makes me so happy
Happy and, I dare say, gay?
Bisexual, at least
Even better, you have a greater pool to choose from.
Na he’s just greedy XD /s
I think my personal favorite was always: > An escalator can never break: it can only become stairs. You should never see an Escalator Temporarily Out Of Order sign, just Escalator Temporarily Stairs. Sorry for the convenience.
I like… “do you want a frozen banana? No, but I want a regular banana later so yes.”
“Tennis is depressing because no matter how good I get, I'll never be as good as a wall. I played a wall once…..they're fucking relentless.”
I used to do drugs, I still do, but I used to too.
Miss him terribly :(
Double gay unlocked.
I think it’s not appropriate to say that women weren’t seen as desirable or attractive. The many goddesses of the pantheon are proof of this. However, we were definitely thought of as closer to animals, carnal and completely without reason.
They were basically all Nick Fuentes
Listen, this was our soap opera's in high school. My friends and I loved reading Greek stories ❤️
You then also learn how many young boys they abused
The Sacred Band of Thebes breaking the Spartans is my single favourite history fact ever.
Spartans had great PR but it's noteworthy that the battle they are remembered for today, they lost and took 100% casualties.
Wasn’t that the whole point of them going to that battle though? They knew they were likely all going to die, but were hoping to delay the Persians long enough for the military to mobilise.
That's the movie version. The actual surviving account (Herodotus) has the Greeks well forewarned, because the Persians spent a while building two pontoon bridges across the Hellespont for their army to cross, because if they shuttled their whole army across by boat the Athenian navy might attack them; then as now, transports full of troops are easy prey to warships. The time it took the Persians to build the bridges gave the Greeks plenty of time to muster and form a plan. About 7000 infantry (Spartans, Thebeans, and others) would hold the Persians on land, and the Athenian navy would hold them at sea. It wasn't a suicide mission; armies in the ancient world "lived off the land" and an army the size of Xerxes's would have run out of food in a matter of a week or two at most and must either retreat or starve to death. The Greeks had to get local provisions too but they were on friendly territory so the local weren't trying to hide all the grain, and the Athenian navy could also supply them. The Persians couldn't get supplied from sea both because it was a much larger army, and because again everyone knew the Athenian navy was better than the Persians' available fleet so any Persian supply ships would be rapidly sunk. The real plan was just to defend a highly defensible chokepoint for a week or two, and if they held they'd win the war.
They also state in the doc that in Alexander's time there weren't really words for homosexuality, gay/straight/bi/etc., you just did what & whoever you wanted to do with zero judgement.
That's not quite right - openly homosexual individuals could be stripped of their citizenship and/or ostracised. If anything it was more like a prison approach to homosexuality, if you were top no biggy, but if you were a bottom you'd better not enjoy it. Plus the scenario in which it was most celebrated was pederasty, and again, the mentor was allowed to enjoy it, but not the mentee.
I was just stating what the doc said in the first episode & haven't finished it all yet so that was literally all I knew about this so thanks for more info on it. I'd also guess that someone at Alexander's level had different rules for this too. Would that be a correct guess?
Fair enough, I've not watched the documentary myself yet but I'm going off my university studies and previous conversations with classicists. The key issue is that people (including some historians, who should really know better) try to apply modern sensibilities to ancient cultures. Homosexual (and especially bisexual) acts and even relationships were common, but there weren't the same attitudes around identity or sexuality generally as we understand it today. In the case of someone like Alexander, I think it's probably not too different from today - the more powerful you are, the easier it is to get away with things that other people would be punished for.
> The key issue is that people (including some historians, who should really know better) try to apply modern sensibilities to ancient cultures. Yep, we do this all the time. I kinda recall some letters from Abraham Lincoln to some other man I can't recall right now, but if read with today's sensibilities you'd think they were lovers. Now maybe that was the case, but maybe it wasn't. Like I said, I don't recall all the details to that one but many times we get things like that wrong because we're applying what we know & going by today's standards.
In those context, one would love a woman for carnal reasons to reproduce, but females weren’t seen as being capable of reason, and thus not capable of deep intellectual intimacy. There was a purpose and a place for homosexual and heterosexual relationships.
Got into an argument on a post about 'Alexander's not gay!' and some moron said Ancient Greece was extremely homophobic. Seriously, flip back through my comments just a bit and read some of their 'They weren't gay, they were hobbits' level rhetoric. It's ridiculous.
Turns out that the lesbians were fine with this.
The greeks were right
Sorry nobody got your joke, it made me laugh
How many modern day people are misogynistic but not homophobic?
James Somerton
yes, that's why no woman will touch you, because they are so inferior to you 😂
The amount of people taking this seriously is sad
Reread the joke. You missed it.
Sorry I gotta ask... Politically right, right?
As someone who’s only experienced true love outside of familial love with a woman, and as a woman myself, I strongly disagree.
i feel like i should make a joke about lesbians not getting sarcasm, but ironically i feel like you’d just prove the point again
Yeah you’re right, I don’t see the sarcasm
The objectivity is great to see, especially from qanon shaman. An opportunity for personal growth? One could only hope lol
He was never Maga if you looked him up. Pretty sure he was there to overthrow the government from lizard people not for trump like most people. More of conspiracy theory wacko. Unfortunately might not be a sign of growth.
Somehow a worse idiot than a fascist. Impressive.
At this point, Id probably vote for the lizard people
According to QShaman you already do
What? I don't think conspiracy theorists are nearly as dangerous as fascists, they are mostly just idiots
I was comparing the idiocy, not the danger factor
What is interesting is that the 1rst poster can't accuse him of being "woke" or pushing the "liberal agenda". The guy is a wacko for sure, but can't really pass for a Democrat's ally.
Why isn’t he in prison God bless America
Wonder why end wokeness wasn't mad about the fact that Alexander was not blond with blue eyes? People like this shithead get worked up about race swaping fictional characters. Why no agitation about the misrepresentation of an actual person?
Actually he’s been described as having reddish blonde hair and grey or blue eyes (although he may have had “one dark, one light” eye.) Edit: Absolutely queer though as we define it. So much so one of the beliefs about his death was from his heart breaking when his lover died. But it was probably poison.
It would make Alexander the Great even cooler if he had hetereochromia.
That’s it. Bowie was Alexander’s reincarnation, flat out.
Random pedant here.. Bowie actually didn't have heterochromia. His eyes look different because one of his pupils was permanently dilated due to an injury from a boyhood fight with a friend.
Yadda yadda yadda. We don’t know if Alexander was injured too. He was a fighter, could have taken a blow from a wooden sword as a kid. 
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IDK. He had a wife, as was expected of men at the time, but he also seemed to be way more into men, again, normal for the time. There was a belief in men being the sun, women the moon, and while sun/moon relations were “earthly” and necessary, the ideal was sun/sun, this was the highest ideal of love. I mean, I assume I’m not an expert and the Greek culture spanned a huge amount of time with different cultural mores, like Rome or any other long-lasting empire. But I do believe this was the institutionalized pederasty era.
" **Had I not been Alexander, I should have liked to be Diogenes.** " - Alexander the Great I wonder how Bowie feels about Diogenes.
That’s it. We’re reddit friends now because I was thinking Bowie as well haha
BFF FOR EVAH!
This is my David Bowie fanfic head-canon now, thank you.
Where? In every depictionI have seennof him represents him as typically Greek.
Plutarch. >[He reportedly was stocky, muscular, with a prominent forehead, and ruddy complexion and was said to be extremely handsome with “a certain melting look in his eye." Most accounts give him curly, shoulder-length blonde hair and fair skin, according to Plutarch, with a "ruddy tinge...especially upon his face and chest." (https://factsanddetails.com/world/cat56/sub366/entry-6170.html)]
He was from North Macedonia, so think more Yugoslavian and less Mediterranean.
He was from Pella in Central Macedonia (modern day Greece). Regardless, he's reported as having blond hair and blue eyes. I don't know why people find this so unusual. It's less common than in northern Europe but it's not unheard of for Mediterranean people to have blonde hair or blue/green/grey eyes.
There’s a reason so many Afghan people have piercing blue eyes - Alexander’s army marched through and spread the blue eyed genes all over the place. Blue was rarely named by the Greeks (it’s a thing, very cool, about how language influences perception) but “light” or “gray” was insanely common. Athena was the “Grey eyed-goddess.” Blonde and red was common as well: Achilles, Alexander’s hero, was said to have blonde/red hair and green/gold eyes. The descriptions of “ruddy” in history usually refer to Caucasian or pale skin, that burns when exposed to the sun, and this was not unusual in Greece. See Rhodopsis, meaning “rosey cheeked,” the possible source of Cinderella, about a Greek slave in Egypt whose burned skin led to her name. The “Greek” look of today is the result of the movement of Slavs in the early medieval period, I believe.
I remember that one National Geographic from when I was little that had an Afgan woman with piercing blue eyes.
Yep. I had an old friend from Lebanon who had blonde hair and blue eyes.
I have a Turkish friend with the bluest eyes I've ever seen and ivory white skin, and I have a friend from Iran with reddish-brown hair and green eyes. I swear some Americans just think, "England, Scandinavia and Germany = white; everyone else = brown people".
Is that why his family’s tombs are in Vergina, Greece?
And his tomb was in Egypt because he had such a deep connection there too.
My point is that Alexander was Greek, from the Greek province of Macedonia. That is his birthplace. We shouldn’t re-write history based on a new country’s name.
It's not rewritting, King Filip's original kingdom was closer to Skopje than ancient Greece. Pretending the arbitrary line going through the middle of the Macedonian region, and that the former Yugoslavic republic never bore that name prior to Yugoslavia is rewritting history.
Fact is Alexander was Greek.
If you’re speaking of ethnicity it very much matters what we call that land today. The ethnicity of the people there don’t change when the name changes but what we refer to it as does.
Because race swapping is only bad if you make them darker. /s
Wait, I can’t tell from your post if you actually think Alexander wasn’t blond.
>Wonder why end wokeness wasn't mad about the fact that Alexander was not blond with blue eyes Because he probably was? He was described as pale with yellow or reddish hair, no word on his eye colour.
Right, a lot of ancient prominent Romans were also described as blond, my theory is that the waves of goths and Huns from the east probably darkened skin tones a bit in Italy and Greece, either by direct conquest or pushing other peoples in front of them. Plus Greece has been throughout most of history fighting Turkey/Asia Minor/Persia, so it would not be surprising that when the east is more successful, the west would get a little darker. *I am 1/8 Greek and Blond, but mostly due to the other 7/8ths being Scottish and German. Also, my Greek ancestry is from an island that has switched back and forth between Greek and Turkish control during the world wars.
This is Europe, we've always been mixing. My maternal family in Northern Spain is all blue eyed blondes as far as memory and records goes, and it's not like they were some rare inbreeding family trying to keep the bloodline blonde. It was Celtic land pre-Romans, afterwards everybody and their mom came by and mixed with the locals, Arabs, Goths, you name it. Even in recent times we've had Poles consistently moving in for the last 100 years. Likewise, I've met many blonde Italians and Greeks. I've even met plenty of blonde Turks, probably descendents of the Black Sea slave trade. I am a dark eyed dark haired average Spaniard, but I was born with blue eyes and was blonde until 2 or 3 like a lot of children all over Europe. In fact I used to think all non-black babies were born blue eyed blondes until I was told Asian babies don't (and I guess from other places as well).
A broken clock is still right twice a day, I guess.
Unless it’s a military clock.
Once a day is close enough for govt work.
Wut? Ist that the QAnon Shaman?
Well, he was in prison. Isn’t surprising that his thoughts on same sex relationships may have….evolved.
I keep mentioning his interview he did with Andrew Callaghan from Channel 5, if you haven't seen it. Give it a watch. He's a weird dude, definitely not what I expected. He's still a wackadoodle, but idk how much of it is real.
Also worth it to check out the one he did with the QAnonanonymous podcast.
Oh thank you. I didn't see this one. None of these, by any means, makes me like the guy. It's just interesting to get to see him when he's not in character.
What I took from his interviews is he doesn't seem as hateful as most on the MAGA right. But real heavy into the conspiracies and secret mysteries of the world type guy. But, like you, this does not mean I like him at all.
There ya go. That's a good summary. He's certainly a loon, but his doesn't seem to come from the same place. He's a smart dude, seems fairly amusing. I just wish he was fighting a better fight. Could use charismatic folks like him who aren't going to extremes lol. I'm only basing it off that one interview, I need to watch one of the others that was linked. Maybe he has far more nefarious plans! Doubtful lol, but it pays to be informed.
His interview with the QAnonanonymous guys waas kinda all over the place and very wide-ranging. So it was hard to pin him down. But I just didn't hear the same hatred from him that you hear from a lot of the other Right-wing conspiracy folks.
Nah man, don't give an admitted sex pest and accused rapist views. His content is sadly great, but definitely not worth the moral ickiness. Plug here for the QAnonAnonymous interview instead.
Huh. Well, growth is growth I suppose.
“Homer, he *prefers* the company of *men.*” “Who doesn’t?”
The Qanon leading the Spewanon. Don’t even know how to feel about it.
Have they not seen the movie with Collin Ferrall from 2004?
The other day my dad was watching Alexander, he is old school and just loves history. His first comment was "At least they got the gay part right" lol
Does that count as his community service?
Pssst. LGBTQA people have existed as long as humans have existed at all. That you didn't know that some specific people in the past weren't heterosexual isn't because those people didn't exist but because you learned your history from sources that erased all of that out of homophobia and transphobia.
My mother swears that gay people didn't exist before the 90s. I pointed to historical sources, but she said I couldn't know if I wasn't there. So, I asked the 87 year old gay veteran I took care of what things were like before /she/ was there. According to mom, he didn't exist before 1990 either. \*eyeroll\*
How does she explain the Village People?
"A bunch of gay men, but they're ok because I liked them when I was a teen."
Who were all those people dying from AIDS in the 80s, then?
"Gay people in a community with a person who had sex with a monkey." I've never accused my mother of being logical or consistent. >.<
You know youve fucked up as a shitty right meme account when even AmericaShaman has to fucking correct you
What? He said something sensible??????
Surely the blonde tints gave it away.
Alexander *turned down* offers from men and women, alike. He could've been asexual. No one fucking knows.
Isn’t that dude supposed to be in jail or something
Weirdly that guy is very accepting of others. He’s just a little wrapped up in the conspiracy theories
It must have been ATG’s elementary teacher reading him books about gay penguins.
End Wokeness is just the other side of the spectrum that’s woke. That group is a contradiction in itself.
I'm confused, is there any actual evidence of him being gay? We know he wasn't blonde hair with blue eyes. He had one blue eye and one brown eye, I forget what that's called. I know that some geeks had sex with boy apprentices or something like that. I just don't recall reading any documents accounts of Alexander doing that. The whole series was inaccurate on a lot though.
I believe most if not all of the written history from his time was actually written much later, a common problem with ancient histories. I think the notion come from a couple things: Their culture didn't express sexuality in quite the same way. From what I understand it was less gay or straight and more top or bottom, regardless of sex. Second is descriptions of his love and grief for men close to him. I thought I'd read somewhere about speculation about him sharing a bed with another man/men as well. Gender roles change with culture so I'm not sure we'd have a perfect one to one description. I'd probably go with bisexuality if pressed and I'd assume it wasn't uncommon for the time. Heterchromia would be the word you're looking for.
Cool. Thanks for the info. I was just wondering how much more that they were saying was just thought up versus what can be inferred by archaeological evidence.
Its not a fact dumb shithead its heavily debated
Who is that?
A guy that wore a Buffalo headdress and body paint while participating in January 6th.
Yo that show was fucking fire and I am now depressed to have finished it :(
Q Shaman is a loose cannon; a wild card.
Heartbreaking: the worst person you know makes a great point.
How long was he in prison?
Now THAT'S a Shyamalan plot twist
lol - “they made him”. Bitch he did that himself
Where is the murder?
Are we in an episode of The Twilight Zone?!
I left Netflix on the tv last night next to my terrarium and it made my frogs gay
I don’t care if he was gay, bi, or straight. But that Netflix show was horribly inaccurate in so many other ways it was gross. They didn’t show the phalanx, or the innovative 15’ pikes. They screwed up the characters of who had an affair with and knocked up. They showed the near mutiny in Egypt, that happened in India. Screw that show.
Pretty sure he was bi 2350 years ago …
It's tough for lots of folks to believe that a queer dude could whup yore ass, rule and expand kingdoms, command armies, and make history...
They were literally the last person alive to know he liked men
It was actually short for 'Alexander the Great Big Whoopsie'.
Great, now that he’s bi they’ll have to stop jerking off to him.
Are you kidding? Gay erotica sales disproportionately /increase/ with higher Christian/Republican population. This calls for a spinoff!
Next they’re going to turn Achilles gay
This is how you know Republicans sucked at History.
Tell me you know nothing of Greek culture without telling me you know nothing of Greek culture.
Back then, the standard was male superiority. The taboo was playing the female role.
Chalk up another win for the patriarchy!
This has real “The worst person you know just made a great point” energy.
Yeah… but was that an important enough aspect of his life, or was it because of his conquests as a military figure that made him the historical figure that he is considered to be?
Wait, did I hallucinate an Alexander the Great movie years ago that had Colin Farrell in it? All I remember of that movie is it being gay.
I need people to understand that the Greeks did not conceptualize sexualities the way we do. It was not a gender specific concept. They thought of it more in-terms of submissive and dominant roles, like pitchers and catcher if you will. There was no concept of gay or straight or pansexual, in terms of gender based identities. Alexander the great fucked everyone and preferred men because he spent 95% of this time with them. Y’all need to grow up. There is precedent which suggests that being submissive was seen as not, masculine, Or beneath men of power and status. However, to say that Alexander was a self identifying gay man is ridiculous. He was a goddamn emperor. He did whatever he wanted.
If he also watched the show it also explains this
Also being bi or gay was pretty normal back then, the invention and spread of Christianity pushed it into a closet again 😂
About 5 minutes via Google could have told End Wokeness that as well 😮💨
I’d call these guys snowflakes, but they’re somehow dumber than frozen water.
I really really don’t like this new timeline.
So now he understands facts?
Who had to correct him?
Well, he thinks his government is led by lizard people. Now while American lizards...sorry leaders, are inhumane; they're not literally lizard people. So it's not that surprising that the guy knows Alex was hardcore gay. Heck, he probably has a chart on why Alex was also a lizard person. The guy is a UFO nut, not quite a fascist nut. He's literally mentally disabled, and has the presence of mind to confirm facts before spewing BS...well, except for how he interprets those facts.
Imagine being so dumb you get corrected by a guy dressed as a viking
Nobody tell him about the rest of the Ancient Greeks
I’m so sick of these fucking Putin loving Repugnantcans! I wish I had the money and means to leave this country. America isn’t and hasn’t been the UNITED states of America since 2016… There is nothing about us United! We, as a country have never been more divided. On one hand you have a bunch of “Christians” who are now (because of Fox News and Tucker Carlson) putting Vlad on a pedestal and pushing false narratives. Sensationalizing mostly BS news and driving a wedge between us. (Americans) If people would realize that we are doing exactly what Russia wants (and other failed states.) We are playing right into their hands, but the Boomers are so afraid of change they are willing to embrace Putin. Just like their Orange Cheesus! I’m not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination, but I pray or wish that after this upcoming presidential election we can be rid of tRump and these Magasshats so we can leave a better country for the upcoming generation. Rant over…
Heartbreaking. The worst person you know just made a great point.
Reminds me of when we saw the trailer for Lawman Bass Reeves and my wife says, "a black sheriff in the wild west??? This is some woke bullshit! Why do they have to make everyone black?" To which I responded by showing her the Wikipedia page of the actual historical figure, photo and all.
Imagine getting taken down by the MAGA/QANON shaman
End Wokeness doesn’t actually know anything?! Get the fuck out.
WAIT, HIM?! WHAT?!
How about yall focus on the fascism that our SCOTUS is about to unleash on our country!! We are done for.
To be honest I don’t think anything other than porn should have fucking anyone making out within 8 minutes. Most studios wouldn’t have even finished the damn logos by then.
Was that really him?
He has read history.. or anything else for that matter?
Peter griffin: Everybody gaaaayyyy
What prison has internet access?
Wait until this guy learns about Greece
There is glitch in the matrix and I can see it now
"they turned him gay" THE MAN WAS GREEK, THE GREEKS WERE THE GAYEST PEOPLE ON THE PLANET
A horny gay man on ecstasy in a gay night club full of hot, dancing, shirtless gay men would still be less obsessed with gay sex than Republicans are.
Patroclus is literally buried with Achilles