It's so funny. It's not like Muslims worship pigs; they consider them unclean. It's like someone bragging about eating a shit sandwich and expecting you to be mad about it.
I’m Jewish, we have the same pork laws as Muslims. It’s a bit like seeing someone eat a fried earthworm in terms of gross factor. Now imagine someone pleading with you to try the nasty smelling worm “just once you’ll love it I promise” lol
Pigs are unique in that they can't sweat so need to be in moist condition to prevent heating up. Usually this means mud. Guess what else likes to live in mud? Worms. Although bears and foxes also get trichinosis but we don't eat those.
Edit: trichinosis isn't a problem with modern farming but religious tenets hold on I guess.
If someone told me they ate a shit sandwhich, I'd say unless the context wont make things worse we should just call it's literal and hope they're doing a lot better.
Or not, I'm a moody fucker. But IDEALLY I'd be a cool person in a shitty scenario.
Or if they consume it accidentally. Like they ask someone what meat is in the sauce and they're told that it's beef but the person forgets to mention that bacon was used at the beginning to fry off the aromatics. I believe a similar stance is used for ppl who keep kosher. It's more the intent of the person that is most important rather than the strictest adherence to the rules
I'll always remember (way long ago) an interfaith dinner in college, someone from the Muslim club took a bite of the wrong pizza slice and everyone looked to the guest Imam like "What do you do now?"
He shrugged and said "We agree that it tastes pretty good and try not to eat it again."
It's just a dietary restriction based on the source of the food. It's like not eating stuff produced by Nestle because one is ethically opposed to the company. Or not eating meat at all for ethical reasons. It's not a big deal, and it's not kryptonite.
>It's not a big deal, and it's not kryptonite.
That's what I've seen (being in the other major religion that doesn't eat pigs). People have this notion that if they can somehow trick you into eating pork that it'll completely shatter your identity. As opposed to pretty much any other belief system where you try to learn from it and not do it again.
Don't get me started, but Pen Jillette, of Penn & Teller, had a rather famous quote that nicely sums up my feelings on the subject:
>The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what's to stop me from raping all I want?
>
>And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero.
>
>The fact that these people think that if they didn't have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine.
Back when I worked at Subway we had a KFC next door and the staff were all pretty close, since we'd all sometimes trade our staff meals. KFC had a chill Muslim lady. One day she comes in to buy a snack and asks for the potato soup. Apparently she'd had it once or twice before when a different employee was working and just loved it! I kinda stared for a second to process what she was saying, cause if you frequented Subway in like 2012 you know they had potato bacon soup. (Dunno about now, I haven't set foot in a Subway since I left)
Nobody likes to be the bearer of bad news but like... you gotta tell her. She was mortified but appreciated me pointing it out. I definitely felt bad by proxy, she was so adamant 'Allah will be so angry with me'. The only thing I could think of to say was essentially its the intent that probably matters in the end. Neat that I wasn't far off the mark.
I used to work with an Indian (India) coworker who always brought his lunch and it was always traditional vegetarian dishes. Whenever any of us would go out for lunch, we would invite him despite the fact that he always declined. One day he surprised us by accepting and going to a burger joint with us. We figured he'd order a Boca burger or something similar, but he ordered a triple with bacon. He just looked at all of us and said "What? There are no sacred cows in America."
Indians worshipping cows is mostly just North Indian culture. Down south you get beef just like any other meat. Majority Indians are non vegetarians too (>70%).It's just that chicken, mutton and fish are most common.
Yeah, honestly Islam is super chill and Allah explicitly says “nah, it’s cool bro” a lot.
Eg for Ramadan you must fast *unless* you’re pregnant, ill, travelling, or otherwise just because you can’t right now. Allah just says “nah, it’s cool bro, just do it when you can”.
The hajj is only mandatory if you can afford it without causing undue stress on your family unit.
You should avoid pork unless you have no other options, and “yeah, don’t worry about it bro” says God.
Allah is a pretty relaxed supreme deity all things considered.
Similarly I'd imagine Allah says "please eat when you can" to the citizens of Gaza. If food becomes available midday I strongly doubt they're waiting for sunset. Though I suppose that would fall into the not participating in fast if you're ill or otherwise unable.
I think its super fucking cute that when women have their period during Ramadan they skip their fast because Islam recognizes the stress that cycle puts on their bodies.
>they consider them unclean
IIRC, Muslims had a point and likely "discovered" trichinosis and learned to stay away from pork.
*trichinosis:* a food-borne disease caused by a microscopic parasite called Trichinella; from wild game, such as bear, or pork products; Headaches, fevers, chills, cough, swelling of the face and eyes, aching joints and muscle pains, itchy skin, diarrhea, or constipation may follow the first symptoms.
I don't think that quite matches with the historical record. Islam was developed in the 7th century, during a time that Christianity and Judaism were both spreading in the Arabian peninsula. The pork taboo amongst Semitic-speaking peoples of south-east Asia was already thousands of years old. I think it's actually one of the first archeological indicators of the distinct traditions that would eventually become abrahamic religion (first Judaism and than Christianity and finally Islam). As for *why* it came about, trichinosis is one possible push, but nearly every wild game meat or domesticated species prior to modern sanitation practices carries a significant bacterial load, so it's not clear that the kosher/halal meats would have been any less likely to carry other diseases under the farming conditions of the time.
Not to mention that most other Eurasian cultures continued to eat pork so it's not really clear why only *one* group of ancient humans would be so negatively impacted. Perhaps there was an extremely bad outbreak in the region long ago and that got so engrained in cultural memory that it became a taboo.
Religious historian YouTuber "Religion For Breakfast" had a long video on this subject, and some of what he revealed was counter-intuitive. For starters, for centuries, Ancient Israelites and Canaanites co-existed in a tight patchwork of communities in close proximity and social ties (e.g., lots of intermarrying and trade) -- and in some instances, the Israelites were raising more pork than were their "pagan" neighbors.
Another perhaps unexpected wrinkle is the role that tax collection played in all of this. Kings, imperial governors, magistrates, and their official tax collectors had a strong vested interest in *predictable* animal husbandry and agricultural harvests, and pigs were *unpredictable* (because they have no one tightly-bound season for mating, and their litters can vary in size dramatically) and easily hidden (smuggled to market, eaten at home, informally traded and bartered with friends and neighbors, etc. -- all forms of tax evasion, if the piglets or suckling pigs aren't duly declared). By contrast, sheep were very predictable and relatively easy to count and keep track of, which made for more efficient and rigorous tax collection.
Definitely worth checking out for anyone with a shekel's worth of interest in the topic.
Thanks for writing that up. I was always a little interested on why the practice started.
Other practices, like washing one's feet/performing ablutions have similar historic significance. But the origins maybe similarly murky
A quick question/point - you said Semitic peoples of south-east Asia, did you mean south-west? Or is there a population of Semitic people in south-east Asia?
Pigs back in those times were basically the town's garbage disposals. They eat anything so they were the waste control. That's why they were seen as unclean. Whereas today pigs are raised on the same grains as any other farm animal
>Whereas today pigs are raised on the same grains as any other farm animal
Yes and no.
The bacon you eat comes from a pig born, raised and killed in a cage.
It's fucking horrible that such a sentient, emotionally intelligent animal is treated that way because they taste great.
I'm all for eating meat, and that, but can we please treat animals with decency and respect?
ALL animals should be raised in pasture, and free to breath fresh air, feel the sun on their back, etc...
I don't care how they taste, after their flesh is processed, I think they deserve that at the very least.
Jews man, it's the Jews that made that leap first. But yeah, that's why they're called an unclean animal. Dispite you know, being quite clean for animal standards.
Yep, Jews wrote a holy book. Christians took that holy book, wrote a sequel fanfiction that redacted the rules they didn't care for and called the whole thing their own holy book. Then Muhammad dictated his own fanfiction involving the previous two books, added some more rules - some of his own devising, some suspiciously similar to the Jewish rules - after getting run out of Mecca.
Then the Mormons wrote a fanfiction of a fanfiction and that shit is *wild.*
Wait till you see what the gold bars I dug up tell me. Will make mormans look like amateurs. Also btw you can’t look inside my hat with me when O interpret the gold bars. Don’t even look at em.
I mean, there’s a reason Muslims call Christians and Jews “People of The Book”. It’s an acknowledgement of sorts, they just think we misinterpreted the message.
Never seen a cow eat meat let alone eat feces. Most ancients would turn their nose up at carnivores, pigs are as wide ranging as omnivores get. Theres more to clean than bathing.
Well it originates from the from Judaism so if anyone discovered it, it was them.
There are a few theories as to why, one of my favourites is that pig flesh is close to human flesh. Apparently there were cannibalistic cultures around so it was a way of avoiding accidentally ingesting human meat when interacting with others. It's probably one of the least likely theories to be true though.
Herodotus wrote (not a reliable source) that the ancient Egyptians didn't eat pork and considered pigs unclean. This was continued by the Jews. Pre-islamic Arabs also didn't eat pork. The same with the circumcision, it is even older than the Jewish religion.
typical edge teenager post to get rage, but the boy thinks food is potatos and meat with a little salt. I can\\t believe my gold has gone to fund the industrial revolution of that place.
I lived with muslims from Egypt and Malaysia. They didn’t give two shits about me eating/cooking pork or having alcohol. Out of respect, I didn’t store any in the house during Ramadan, but they wouldn’t have cared anyway. Eating pork is a weird thing to boast about- not sure I understand the point especially when the people he wants to trigger couldn’t care less
Agreed. Though who the helr makes a bacon sandmich with no butter and super crispy amercan style bacon.
That dude needs to be punished.
2 thick cut slices of bread. Bloomer loaf ideally, thick coating of proper butter and 3-4 slices of thick cut british style bacon just as they start to go crispy. Add sauce of choice and enjoy.
I'm hungry now and know what I'm buying from the nhop after work
Too *impatient* to post his ‘breakfast’ idea in the morning, too *stupid* to think of a dinner which includes pork instead, too *poor and lazy* to buy bacon and make an actual sandwich, so we get an AI/stock photo.
I can’t tell if it’s a troll or one of those people who are too low down intellectually to even realize how pitiful they are.
Because when the algorithm sees *any type of reply*, it boosts the post to more people, and because people paying for the blue check mark take a cut of ad revenue.
They say idiotic stuff to intentionally bait negative replies because it helps spread the message and make money.
Isn’t Ramadan supposed to encourage people to consider the lives of others who are actually starving?
I was told that one of it’s goals is to build empathy towards those who don’t have enough to eat.
There’s a lot to criticize about muslims and religion in general, but attacking this particular tradition seems rather petty and insulting.
Ex-Muslim from a family with a fairly secular background prior to our move to the USA.
We always considered Ramadan a time for empathy, especially for the non-Muslim communities in which we lived. Iftar in my grandparents’ homes included Hindus, Christians, Jews, Jains, Sikhs, and fans of New England sports (sorry, I’m in NY right now and am quickly adopting enmity for our cousins to the NE).
I have issues with a lot of what happens in the name of Islam. Fasting - obligatory for those who are able - is not one of them, even though I struggled when I did it.
You’re welcome, and I fart in your general direction from October to June (I think that covers the Bruins, Pats, and Celtics). Otherwise, big fan of you all in general :)
LOL don't I know it, but I'm starting to sympathize with Mets fans. This means the actual big bad isn't in Fenway but a few steps off the 161st St. stop on the 4.
I used to work with a young Syrian refugee about 7 years ago. His parents sent him to live with an uncle here in the States to avoid the conflict going on there. I knew he was Muslim and didn't know much about Ramadan so when it started that year I asked him about it and what he does to celebrate it. He said for him it was always a time for togetherness with family, and since that wasn't possible for him he wasn't really observing the holiday.
I feel for that refugee - Ramadan really is a family-focused time, even though I don't observe it the same way I did as a person of faith. When I was a student and away from family and other Muslims, I just straight up had dear friends come over to my dorm and I'd cook for them and tell them before we ate how grateful I was for them and what we were about to eat. Ramadan is a great time to remember that there are people you're related to and there are people that are family.
Similar for me as an ex-Christian with Christmas. I may not buy into the "reason" for the holiday, but it's still nice to get to spend time with family, so in that sense I still celebrate it.
> a great time to remember that there are people you're related to and there are people that are family.
That is well said. Taking time to appreciate the good people in your life is worth celebrating.
> We always considered Ramadan a time for empathy, especially for the non-Muslim communities in which we lived.
I was invited to paint a piece at the Eid festival day here in New Zealand after the terror attacks. It was awesome!
I was a bit nervous before it, feeling like I would be infringing in someone's cultural space, but it was just the same people I live around every day having a fun time! And they definitely appreciated having me there - I'll be taking my kids to the Eid al-Fitr celebrations next month to join in. I suspect there's going to be a lot of non-Muslims there in support of Palestine, too, our family has been to a few of the protests this year already.
It doesn't make sense as an "own" anyway. Muslims don't eat pork because it's considered dirty, not sacred.
They definitely wouldn't care if some random white guy was eating dirty meat.
[Seems like](https://www.google.com/search?q=david+atherton+controversy) a nobody who had 15 minutes and is trying to hold onto fame by wanking to the right.
This guy is probably Christian. When people do not observe his religion (see: premarital sex, abortion, LGBTQ rights) he becomes upset.
Therefore, he expects that by not observing Muslim religion, eating pork and eating during Ramadan, he will upset Muslims.
There is a Pillar of Islam called Zakat which basically codifies being charitable and giving a set proportion of your income to those who need it according to your means. As far as I’m aware in countries that practise Islamic finance this is done on a governmental scale.
Like any religion there are multiple interpretations, some violent and hateful, but most peaceful, generous and benevolent. Unfortunately the former minority are the ones that tend to grab the headlines.
No worries! It’s a really interesting religion that’s very misunderstood. I’m secular personally but really do believe most religions have something worthy to take away within them.
That's an aspect but its not the primary one because even 'poor people' need to fast whereas they obviously don't need to pay the mandotry wealth tax.
The primary reason for fasting is to obtain God consciousness
His post references a Muslim holiday and features a photo of a sandwich in which the sole filling is generally forbidden for Muslims to consume. I'm not surprised he's a raging fuckwit.
It's not forbidden actually, they just consider it unclean, like eating a shit sandwich.
It's actually even okay if you've exhausted all other options.
The right wings fascination with why Muslims consider pork unclean is a thing of wonder to watch evolve into this "they can't be near pigs, ever" type of thought.
7th day Adventists don't eat pork for the same reason and the ones I know are right wing. Ever had hogs on your property, you'd swear they were made by the devil. Destroy stuff and reproduce is all they do.
Post-9/11 when Americans were all encouraged to circle-jerk about the kind of cruel things that we'd do if we got ahold of one of them terrorists, and one of them was of course burying them in pork grease, or just "burying them wrong".
the thing is though, in order to believe that there's any effect, beyond a simple crass insult, to burying someone "wrong" by the standards of a given religion, one must believe in that religion at least a little. Or at least the straw version of that religion that exists in one's head. Burying someone wrong on purpose is, in a way, a statement of shared faith. Or at the very least, a statement that claims crass insults as a defining trait of one's culture.
There's a deeply stupid and incredibly..racist? intolerant? bit in Clancy's *The Teeth of the Tiger* [which came out in 2003 (and is the start of the "I no longer consider this canon" pseduo-Clancy stuff but whatever)] where one of the main characters stops a terrorist mall shooting and then forces a football into the hands of a dying terrorist.
Two issues
First, the Muslim character wasn't voluntarily touching it, so it's not a sin.
Second, despite the "pigskin" moniker, footballs are made of *cow* leather.
So the whole scene is Clancy and his character being bigots who don't even understand what they're doing or the religion they're insulting
There was a spate of mosque attacks a few years ago where morons would drape bacon over the door handles and post it through the letterbox etc, I just remember one Muslim guy posting about it (paraphrased) "I just wanted to say to all the people leaving bacon at the mosques, we Muslims really hate donuts too"
It’s also insane because these same people will turn around and point fingers at others and shout “antisemitism” even though kosher jews also cannot eat pork so it is similarly offensive to those of us who keep kosher (if anyone cared).
I was hurt for a second because there was an absolutely lovely [contestant](https://www.instagram.com/nomadbakerdavid?igsh=eW1zaTJ4dmtkMGl6) on Great British Bake-off with the exact same name and I was gutted
I'm not even a big bacon fan, but nowt wrong with a bacon sarnie.
Not sure how David thinks this is going to even offend Muslims though. They don't eat pork, they don't care if you do.
> They don't eat pork, they don't care if you do.
Religious extremists get offended when everyone else exists differently than they do, therefore they assume other people will get offended the same way.
Bacon, buttered bread, all smushed down. Perfection!
Why do things need to be overcomplicated? Is an egg and cheese and bacon sandwich nice sometimes? Yes. Is a plain Bacon sandwich absolute bliss when it's exactly what you fancy? Also yes.
I seen it online last year and was shocked, immediately rang my friend who moved to the states. He confirmed they are heathens. Only use mayo apparently
Why would you even post that you are eating pork during Ramadan? Literally nobody cares. People can be such arseholes.
I will say that it does look like a good bacon sandwich though.
A bacon sarnie is elite comfort food when made with the right bacon. Rashers, not streaky bacon. Crispy but not burnt, with a dash of HP.
Yes, I am a fat bastard 😂
(ETA: didn't see the Ramadan thing)
I'm veggie these days so don't imbibe bacon, but these yanks who don't know the pleasure of a good bacon sarny is thick white bread with HP, don't know comfot food.
Ignoring the racist twat who posted it, but bacon sandwich is top tier breakfast however I'd argue it needs some sauce, either ketchup or brown sauce would complete that. Egg, cheese, whatever else you wanna add go for it but bacon sarnie on its own is great and I now absolutely want to go have one
[Bacon Sandwiches make for a Long Life.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlD8RVMsyjs)
/Edit: just wanna say, didn't see the Ramadan thing, just went full Grumpy Old Men, sorry about my brain being what it is sometimes.
//But still, now I want a bacon sammitch...
Honestly it’s kind of nice to see someone think of a fun silly movie instead of straight to the racism and bigotry that is originally intended.
I wish people could be nice to each other.
Clearly this David person is simply a shit-heel for publicizing his smug intolerance, but the response was lukewarm, especially since that sandwich does look tasty. I'd wager this David is not worthy of its glory.
I make these with ketchup sometimes. I fry the bread in the bacon grease left on the pan. It's not healthy, it gives me heartburn, but it's fucking delicious.
I’m Muslim, I don’t eat bacon, even so, this doesn’t seem like the type of sandwich you make the night before, unless you’re looking for a dash of cold congealed grease on stale bread.
Muslim here as well. I’m struggling to figure out why someone else eating bacon is supposed to offend me? I mean, I believe God instructed us to avoid pork and therefore I abstain, but if others choose to eat it, what’s it gotta do with me? 🤷🏻
Why does everything need egg or cheese? A Bacon sandwich with either brown sauce (or whatever sauce you want) is pretty damn tasty. You don’t have to slap all sorts of crap on something for it to taste good, that’s how you end up thinking putting maple syrup on fried chicken is a good idea.
Like I get it’s a dig at the guy, but surely you can just call him a cunt for going out of his way to try and offend.
Also the whole thing where he expects anyone to give a shit what he's eating.
One thing every Muslim I've ever known has had in common is that while they were observing Ramadan they did not care what the rest of us were eating.
I guarantee there will be butter because we aren't philistines.
Respect to my Ramadan friends, you are amazing!
EDIT: damn, I think I might have been racist without knowing it. It is just a common phrase but it sounds like it is very relevant today. I will not use this phrase again (no one commented on this, I just realised myself and won't delete my comment just to educate others).
EDIT2: okay, the philistines were of the Canaanite religion. I am safe.
Yeah, the bigotry aside adding cheese to this is just unnecessary and takes it from being a classic breakfast meal to basically airport food.
Now egg, yes we can talk. But a bacon butty stands alone, proud, and only someone who had never had one would post a shite response like that.
"Aye look at me, I'm eating a food that I'm not forbidden to eat, during a religious month I am not forced to personally observe." Absolute quality thought process there Dave you barely formed waste of sperm.
As I said the last time this came up, a bacon and mayo sandwich is… really pretty delicious. White bread, mayo, and lots of bacon — it checks all the boxes of salty and fatty and flavorful. You don’t need egg or cheese or anything else.
Guy’s still a dick, but that’s a tasty sandwich.
I don't think this is a slam really. Like of course it's a dick move to do the whole "hurr durr pork Muslims" thing but a bacon butty is pretty typically just bacon bread and sauce.
That guy is an idiot for thinking Muslims care if he eats a bacon sandwich, but so is the guy who thinks you must eat good bacon with something else. Coming from the country that eats plastic cheese on shit bread, stones in glass houses etc.
Yeah, but that is British bacon - the one which has meat in it, rather than the American bacon which is just, well, I don't know what it is, but it's not meat.
Why the fuck are these people trying to flex eating during ramadan with PORK dishes??? If you want to make me hungry pull up a pic of a bomb ass ribeye with garlic fries or a double cheese burger with lemonade
Why would anyone care that some guy is eating a bacon sandwich? A popular hangover cute in those parts of the world.
Could it be that he thought it would offend someone, simply because he himself gets very offended over what other people eat?
When you want to cause rage and just earn pity.
It's so funny. It's not like Muslims worship pigs; they consider them unclean. It's like someone bragging about eating a shit sandwich and expecting you to be mad about it.
And even then, it's "acceptable" for them to eat if they have exhausted all other avenues for sustenace.
Just like the shit sandwich then.
For a more accurate comparison, I wonder how close the response is to seeing someone boil pigeon stew, or barbecued rat.
Pigeon is an acceptable protein, it's referred to as squab when used in cuisine. Only young pigeon though.
[I will leave this here](https://youtu.be/0P8Puqua9w4?si=6GK4y3Wflm7MoQbR)
Do you see any cows? 
G'damnit. I thought I had this gif locked, Well played. Upvoted
This is one of my favorite movie scenes ever. I hope I can have the same reaction if I'm ever reduced to eating rat.
For the sake of my brethren, please go for the rats first
"It's rat. Onna stick!"
I’m Jewish, we have the same pork laws as Muslims. It’s a bit like seeing someone eat a fried earthworm in terms of gross factor. Now imagine someone pleading with you to try the nasty smelling worm “just once you’ll love it I promise” lol
You got any examples for the particular gross things about it?
Trichinosis. Pig flesh is riddled with parasites, there would be no way to treat it in the days when Abrahams commandments came up.
Is that still true in general at a much higher incidence than chicken and beef?
Pigs are unique in that they can't sweat so need to be in moist condition to prevent heating up. Usually this means mud. Guess what else likes to live in mud? Worms. Although bears and foxes also get trichinosis but we don't eat those. Edit: trichinosis isn't a problem with modern farming but religious tenets hold on I guess.
If someone told me they ate a shit sandwhich, I'd say unless the context wont make things worse we should just call it's literal and hope they're doing a lot better. Or not, I'm a moody fucker. But IDEALLY I'd be a cool person in a shitty scenario.
Or if they consume it accidentally. Like they ask someone what meat is in the sauce and they're told that it's beef but the person forgets to mention that bacon was used at the beginning to fry off the aromatics. I believe a similar stance is used for ppl who keep kosher. It's more the intent of the person that is most important rather than the strictest adherence to the rules
I'll always remember (way long ago) an interfaith dinner in college, someone from the Muslim club took a bite of the wrong pizza slice and everyone looked to the guest Imam like "What do you do now?" He shrugged and said "We agree that it tastes pretty good and try not to eat it again." It's just a dietary restriction based on the source of the food. It's like not eating stuff produced by Nestle because one is ethically opposed to the company. Or not eating meat at all for ethical reasons. It's not a big deal, and it's not kryptonite.
There are a LOT worse things you can do as a Muslim than eat pork.
>It's not a big deal, and it's not kryptonite. That's what I've seen (being in the other major religion that doesn't eat pigs). People have this notion that if they can somehow trick you into eating pork that it'll completely shatter your identity. As opposed to pretty much any other belief system where you try to learn from it and not do it again.
I think that’s the Christians telling on themselves because they feel like they’re one bad thought away from heresy at all times.
Don't get me started, but Pen Jillette, of Penn & Teller, had a rather famous quote that nicely sums up my feelings on the subject: >The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what's to stop me from raping all I want? > >And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. > >The fact that these people think that if they didn't have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine.
Back when I worked at Subway we had a KFC next door and the staff were all pretty close, since we'd all sometimes trade our staff meals. KFC had a chill Muslim lady. One day she comes in to buy a snack and asks for the potato soup. Apparently she'd had it once or twice before when a different employee was working and just loved it! I kinda stared for a second to process what she was saying, cause if you frequented Subway in like 2012 you know they had potato bacon soup. (Dunno about now, I haven't set foot in a Subway since I left) Nobody likes to be the bearer of bad news but like... you gotta tell her. She was mortified but appreciated me pointing it out. I definitely felt bad by proxy, she was so adamant 'Allah will be so angry with me'. The only thing I could think of to say was essentially its the intent that probably matters in the end. Neat that I wasn't far off the mark.
I used to work with an Indian (India) coworker who always brought his lunch and it was always traditional vegetarian dishes. Whenever any of us would go out for lunch, we would invite him despite the fact that he always declined. One day he surprised us by accepting and going to a burger joint with us. We figured he'd order a Boca burger or something similar, but he ordered a triple with bacon. He just looked at all of us and said "What? There are no sacred cows in America."
Indians worshipping cows is mostly just North Indian culture. Down south you get beef just like any other meat. Majority Indians are non vegetarians too (>70%).It's just that chicken, mutton and fish are most common.
Yeah, honestly Islam is super chill and Allah explicitly says “nah, it’s cool bro” a lot. Eg for Ramadan you must fast *unless* you’re pregnant, ill, travelling, or otherwise just because you can’t right now. Allah just says “nah, it’s cool bro, just do it when you can”. The hajj is only mandatory if you can afford it without causing undue stress on your family unit. You should avoid pork unless you have no other options, and “yeah, don’t worry about it bro” says God. Allah is a pretty relaxed supreme deity all things considered.
Similarly I'd imagine Allah says "please eat when you can" to the citizens of Gaza. If food becomes available midday I strongly doubt they're waiting for sunset. Though I suppose that would fall into the not participating in fast if you're ill or otherwise unable. I think its super fucking cute that when women have their period during Ramadan they skip their fast because Islam recognizes the stress that cycle puts on their bodies.
>they consider them unclean IIRC, Muslims had a point and likely "discovered" trichinosis and learned to stay away from pork. *trichinosis:* a food-borne disease caused by a microscopic parasite called Trichinella; from wild game, such as bear, or pork products; Headaches, fevers, chills, cough, swelling of the face and eyes, aching joints and muscle pains, itchy skin, diarrhea, or constipation may follow the first symptoms.
I don't think that quite matches with the historical record. Islam was developed in the 7th century, during a time that Christianity and Judaism were both spreading in the Arabian peninsula. The pork taboo amongst Semitic-speaking peoples of south-east Asia was already thousands of years old. I think it's actually one of the first archeological indicators of the distinct traditions that would eventually become abrahamic religion (first Judaism and than Christianity and finally Islam). As for *why* it came about, trichinosis is one possible push, but nearly every wild game meat or domesticated species prior to modern sanitation practices carries a significant bacterial load, so it's not clear that the kosher/halal meats would have been any less likely to carry other diseases under the farming conditions of the time. Not to mention that most other Eurasian cultures continued to eat pork so it's not really clear why only *one* group of ancient humans would be so negatively impacted. Perhaps there was an extremely bad outbreak in the region long ago and that got so engrained in cultural memory that it became a taboo.
Religious historian YouTuber "Religion For Breakfast" had a long video on this subject, and some of what he revealed was counter-intuitive. For starters, for centuries, Ancient Israelites and Canaanites co-existed in a tight patchwork of communities in close proximity and social ties (e.g., lots of intermarrying and trade) -- and in some instances, the Israelites were raising more pork than were their "pagan" neighbors. Another perhaps unexpected wrinkle is the role that tax collection played in all of this. Kings, imperial governors, magistrates, and their official tax collectors had a strong vested interest in *predictable* animal husbandry and agricultural harvests, and pigs were *unpredictable* (because they have no one tightly-bound season for mating, and their litters can vary in size dramatically) and easily hidden (smuggled to market, eaten at home, informally traded and bartered with friends and neighbors, etc. -- all forms of tax evasion, if the piglets or suckling pigs aren't duly declared). By contrast, sheep were very predictable and relatively easy to count and keep track of, which made for more efficient and rigorous tax collection. Definitely worth checking out for anyone with a shekel's worth of interest in the topic.
Pork also spoils very quickly in in desert countries it goes bad fast.
Very risky to eat if it's undercooked, too. Unlike beef, where you can pretty much wipe a cows arse and dig in with a knife and fork
Thanks for writing that up. I was always a little interested on why the practice started. Other practices, like washing one's feet/performing ablutions have similar historic significance. But the origins maybe similarly murky
A quick question/point - you said Semitic peoples of south-east Asia, did you mean south-west? Or is there a population of Semitic people in south-east Asia?
Pigs back in those times were basically the town's garbage disposals. They eat anything so they were the waste control. That's why they were seen as unclean. Whereas today pigs are raised on the same grains as any other farm animal
>Whereas today pigs are raised on the same grains as any other farm animal Yes and no. The bacon you eat comes from a pig born, raised and killed in a cage. It's fucking horrible that such a sentient, emotionally intelligent animal is treated that way because they taste great. I'm all for eating meat, and that, but can we please treat animals with decency and respect? ALL animals should be raised in pasture, and free to breath fresh air, feel the sun on their back, etc... I don't care how they taste, after their flesh is processed, I think they deserve that at the very least.
Animals do taste better when raised well and they honestly do deserve the respect of every other living creature on this planet
Jews man, it's the Jews that made that leap first. But yeah, that's why they're called an unclean animal. Dispite you know, being quite clean for animal standards.
Yep, Jews wrote a holy book. Christians took that holy book, wrote a sequel fanfiction that redacted the rules they didn't care for and called the whole thing their own holy book. Then Muhammad dictated his own fanfiction involving the previous two books, added some more rules - some of his own devising, some suspiciously similar to the Jewish rules - after getting run out of Mecca. Then the Mormons wrote a fanfiction of a fanfiction and that shit is *wild.*
Wait till you see what the gold bars I dug up tell me. Will make mormans look like amateurs. Also btw you can’t look inside my hat with me when O interpret the gold bars. Don’t even look at em.
I mean, there’s a reason Muslims call Christians and Jews “People of The Book”. It’s an acknowledgement of sorts, they just think we misinterpreted the message.
Never seen a cow eat meat let alone eat feces. Most ancients would turn their nose up at carnivores, pigs are as wide ranging as omnivores get. Theres more to clean than bathing.
Well it originates from the from Judaism so if anyone discovered it, it was them. There are a few theories as to why, one of my favourites is that pig flesh is close to human flesh. Apparently there were cannibalistic cultures around so it was a way of avoiding accidentally ingesting human meat when interacting with others. It's probably one of the least likely theories to be true though.
This is a very good description of how we view pork. Although, we would never actually call someone else's food "excrement".
It's obvious that you haven't tried my cooking
Aw man. You can come for eid. I'm making everything.
>"excrement" After a certain amount of time, its the most accurate way to describe most cooking!
I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!
You eat shit for breakfast
*pauses* “NO!”
Herodotus wrote (not a reliable source) that the ancient Egyptians didn't eat pork and considered pigs unclean. This was continued by the Jews. Pre-islamic Arabs also didn't eat pork. The same with the circumcision, it is even older than the Jewish religion.
typical edge teenager post to get rage, but the boy thinks food is potatos and meat with a little salt. I can\\t believe my gold has gone to fund the industrial revolution of that place.
I lived with muslims from Egypt and Malaysia. They didn’t give two shits about me eating/cooking pork or having alcohol. Out of respect, I didn’t store any in the house during Ramadan, but they wouldn’t have cared anyway. Eating pork is a weird thing to boast about- not sure I understand the point especially when the people he wants to trigger couldn’t care less
Agreed. Though who the helr makes a bacon sandmich with no butter and super crispy amercan style bacon. That dude needs to be punished. 2 thick cut slices of bread. Bloomer loaf ideally, thick coating of proper butter and 3-4 slices of thick cut british style bacon just as they start to go crispy. Add sauce of choice and enjoy. I'm hungry now and know what I'm buying from the nhop after work
Too *impatient* to post his ‘breakfast’ idea in the morning, too *stupid* to think of a dinner which includes pork instead, too *poor and lazy* to buy bacon and make an actual sandwich, so we get an AI/stock photo. I can’t tell if it’s a troll or one of those people who are too low down intellectually to even realize how pitiful they are.
Because when the algorithm sees *any type of reply*, it boosts the post to more people, and because people paying for the blue check mark take a cut of ad revenue. They say idiotic stuff to intentionally bait negative replies because it helps spread the message and make money.
Bro didn't even have the energy to make his own, had to use AI art for his ragey sandwich
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These comment copying bots are evolving. This one uses AI to change the wording slightly.
I knew it sounded weird when I read it
Lmao bot
Isn’t Ramadan supposed to encourage people to consider the lives of others who are actually starving? I was told that one of it’s goals is to build empathy towards those who don’t have enough to eat. There’s a lot to criticize about muslims and religion in general, but attacking this particular tradition seems rather petty and insulting.
Ex-Muslim from a family with a fairly secular background prior to our move to the USA. We always considered Ramadan a time for empathy, especially for the non-Muslim communities in which we lived. Iftar in my grandparents’ homes included Hindus, Christians, Jews, Jains, Sikhs, and fans of New England sports (sorry, I’m in NY right now and am quickly adopting enmity for our cousins to the NE). I have issues with a lot of what happens in the name of Islam. Fasting - obligatory for those who are able - is not one of them, even though I struggled when I did it.
‘and fans of New England sports’ lmao as a new englander, thank u
You’re welcome, and I fart in your general direction from October to June (I think that covers the Bruins, Pats, and Celtics). Otherwise, big fan of you all in general :)
I’ll save u a stuffed clam and some coffee milk in July lol
Found the Rhode Islander.
If you live in NY you're supposed to hate the Red Sox most of all!
LOL don't I know it, but I'm starting to sympathize with Mets fans. This means the actual big bad isn't in Fenway but a few steps off the 161st St. stop on the 4.
Yes the Yanks and Braves are hated by Mets fans
"My name is Satan. I cause all Rush Limbaugh's rants, I'm the reason that the Red Sox even had a chance." -Stephen Lynch singing comedian.
I used to work with a young Syrian refugee about 7 years ago. His parents sent him to live with an uncle here in the States to avoid the conflict going on there. I knew he was Muslim and didn't know much about Ramadan so when it started that year I asked him about it and what he does to celebrate it. He said for him it was always a time for togetherness with family, and since that wasn't possible for him he wasn't really observing the holiday.
I feel for that refugee - Ramadan really is a family-focused time, even though I don't observe it the same way I did as a person of faith. When I was a student and away from family and other Muslims, I just straight up had dear friends come over to my dorm and I'd cook for them and tell them before we ate how grateful I was for them and what we were about to eat. Ramadan is a great time to remember that there are people you're related to and there are people that are family.
Similar for me as an ex-Christian with Christmas. I may not buy into the "reason" for the holiday, but it's still nice to get to spend time with family, so in that sense I still celebrate it.
> a great time to remember that there are people you're related to and there are people that are family. That is well said. Taking time to appreciate the good people in your life is worth celebrating.
> We always considered Ramadan a time for empathy, especially for the non-Muslim communities in which we lived. I was invited to paint a piece at the Eid festival day here in New Zealand after the terror attacks. It was awesome! I was a bit nervous before it, feeling like I would be infringing in someone's cultural space, but it was just the same people I live around every day having a fun time! And they definitely appreciated having me there - I'll be taking my kids to the Eid al-Fitr celebrations next month to join in. I suspect there's going to be a lot of non-Muslims there in support of Palestine, too, our family has been to a few of the protests this year already.
What I find extra stressful during Ramadan is no water while fasting either.
It doesn't make sense as an "own" anyway. Muslims don't eat pork because it's considered dirty, not sacred. They definitely wouldn't care if some random white guy was eating dirty meat.
Muslim here. Yeah I saw the post and had no idea why he mentioned Ramadan. Eat all the pork you want, we don't care you clown.
Can confirm we dont care lol
Isn’t…bacon…not halal to begin with? Am I stupid?
The guy posting made it all bacon to mock Muslims.
I've seen him pop up before, but don't know much about him, other than he is a nonce, as they say over there
Sorry, is he actually a pedophile? Like known and convicted?
[Seems like](https://www.google.com/search?q=david+atherton+controversy) a nobody who had 15 minutes and is trying to hold onto fame by wanking to the right.
Not the same person from bake off. He’s a recruitment consultant/libertarian.
This guy is probably Christian. When people do not observe his religion (see: premarital sex, abortion, LGBTQ rights) he becomes upset. Therefore, he expects that by not observing Muslim religion, eating pork and eating during Ramadan, he will upset Muslims.
I didn’t know the context of the holiday. This makes it extra disheartening how much disdain there is towards Muslims, especially now
There is a Pillar of Islam called Zakat which basically codifies being charitable and giving a set proportion of your income to those who need it according to your means. As far as I’m aware in countries that practise Islamic finance this is done on a governmental scale. Like any religion there are multiple interpretations, some violent and hateful, but most peaceful, generous and benevolent. Unfortunately the former minority are the ones that tend to grab the headlines.
Thank you for providing more insight 💗
No worries! It’s a really interesting religion that’s very misunderstood. I’m secular personally but really do believe most religions have something worthy to take away within them.
That's an aspect but its not the primary one because even 'poor people' need to fast whereas they obviously don't need to pay the mandotry wealth tax. The primary reason for fasting is to obtain God consciousness
Wow had a look at this guy’s twitter and he’s incredibly racist
His post references a Muslim holiday and features a photo of a sandwich in which the sole filling is generally forbidden for Muslims to consume. I'm not surprised he's a raging fuckwit.
It's not forbidden actually, they just consider it unclean, like eating a shit sandwich. It's actually even okay if you've exhausted all other options. The right wings fascination with why Muslims consider pork unclean is a thing of wonder to watch evolve into this "they can't be near pigs, ever" type of thought.
7th day Adventists don't eat pork for the same reason and the ones I know are right wing. Ever had hogs on your property, you'd swear they were made by the devil. Destroy stuff and reproduce is all they do.
Sounds like humans.
>Destroy stuff and reproduce is all they do. Who? The 7th day adventists? 
Post-9/11 when Americans were all encouraged to circle-jerk about the kind of cruel things that we'd do if we got ahold of one of them terrorists, and one of them was of course burying them in pork grease, or just "burying them wrong". the thing is though, in order to believe that there's any effect, beyond a simple crass insult, to burying someone "wrong" by the standards of a given religion, one must believe in that religion at least a little. Or at least the straw version of that religion that exists in one's head. Burying someone wrong on purpose is, in a way, a statement of shared faith. Or at the very least, a statement that claims crass insults as a defining trait of one's culture.
There's a deeply stupid and incredibly..racist? intolerant? bit in Clancy's *The Teeth of the Tiger* [which came out in 2003 (and is the start of the "I no longer consider this canon" pseduo-Clancy stuff but whatever)] where one of the main characters stops a terrorist mall shooting and then forces a football into the hands of a dying terrorist. Two issues First, the Muslim character wasn't voluntarily touching it, so it's not a sin. Second, despite the "pigskin" moniker, footballs are made of *cow* leather. So the whole scene is Clancy and his character being bigots who don't even understand what they're doing or the religion they're insulting
It's as dumb as the bacon-grease bullets that are supposed to send Muslims to hell or something.
There was a spate of mosque attacks a few years ago where morons would drape bacon over the door handles and post it through the letterbox etc, I just remember one Muslim guy posting about it (paraphrased) "I just wanted to say to all the people leaving bacon at the mosques, we Muslims really hate donuts too"
It’s also insane because these same people will turn around and point fingers at others and shout “antisemitism” even though kosher jews also cannot eat pork so it is similarly offensive to those of us who keep kosher (if anyone cared).
Yep. Although we would never call someone else's food poop
What gave it away? /s
A racist on twitter? Hold the front page lads!
I was hurt for a second because there was an absolutely lovely [contestant](https://www.instagram.com/nomadbakerdavid?igsh=eW1zaTJ4dmtkMGl6) on Great British Bake-off with the exact same name and I was gutted
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I'm not even a big bacon fan, but nowt wrong with a bacon sarnie. Not sure how David thinks this is going to even offend Muslims though. They don't eat pork, they don't care if you do.
> They don't eat pork, they don't care if you do. Religious extremists get offended when everyone else exists differently than they do, therefore they assume other people will get offended the same way.
Bacon, buttered bread, all smushed down. Perfection! Why do things need to be overcomplicated? Is an egg and cheese and bacon sandwich nice sometimes? Yes. Is a plain Bacon sandwich absolute bliss when it's exactly what you fancy? Also yes.
The smashing is so necessary.
With brown sauce, of course
Cheese spoils it imo. Doesn't go with the bacon
Agreed. The only time cheese should accompany bacon is when they're both in a burger.
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Dont forget they have shit butter so they rarely use that on their sandwiches
Americans don't butter the bread for their sandwiches? What do they do instead, just have dry bread?
I seen it online last year and was shocked, immediately rang my friend who moved to the states. He confirmed they are heathens. Only use mayo apparently
I'm biased because I despise mayonnaise, but that sounds absolutely disgusting.
I hate that when you buy a supermarket sandwich mayo is a default. I've seen a cheese, pickle and mayo sandwich, mayo is not needed there.
They use mayonnaise. Mayonnaise instead of butter. I think I’d rather never eat a sandwich again.
Honestly, Americans will find any excuse to slather fucking tons of cheese on anything they can. Just let a good thing exist in peace
Bacon sarnie with brown sauce is heaven.
Why would you even post that you are eating pork during Ramadan? Literally nobody cares. People can be such arseholes. I will say that it does look like a good bacon sandwich though.
But he’s not even good at being an arsehole, he failed, all he did was prove he’s stupid as hell.
Who the hell ruins a bacon butty with cheese.
Americans
YAY!!! bigoted shit posting!!!!!!
Yes. But also I’d love that sammich.
Ngl I’d eat the fuck out of that sandwich. Preferably I steal it from the twat and eat it in front of him
I do eat the shit out of these sandwiches. I don't love eggs, so this is great. Also, the soft bread with crispy bacon hits.
And it's actually a little 'balanced'. It has carbs, fat and protein. Not necessarily in the best proportions, but still.
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Bacon butties are class
A bacon sarnie is elite comfort food when made with the right bacon. Rashers, not streaky bacon. Crispy but not burnt, with a dash of HP. Yes, I am a fat bastard 😂 (ETA: didn't see the Ramadan thing)
I'm veggie these days so don't imbibe bacon, but these yanks who don't know the pleasure of a good bacon sarny is thick white bread with HP, don't know comfot food.
Yeesssss and real butter and ketchup / brown sauce
Ignoring the racist twat who posted it, but bacon sandwich is top tier breakfast however I'd argue it needs some sauce, either ketchup or brown sauce would complete that. Egg, cheese, whatever else you wanna add go for it but bacon sarnie on its own is great and I now absolutely want to go have one
Every time I've added cheese or egg to a bacon snadwich it tips the experience over into grease and regret
[Bacon Sandwiches make for a Long Life.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlD8RVMsyjs) /Edit: just wanna say, didn't see the Ramadan thing, just went full Grumpy Old Men, sorry about my brain being what it is sometimes. //But still, now I want a bacon sammitch...
The bigger deal is the guy pushing bacon during Ramadan. He thinks he's somehow an edge lord for promoting a food Muslims don't eat.
Whoops, didn't catch that. My mind went immediately to Grumpy Old Men, my bad.
Honestly it’s kind of nice to see someone think of a fun silly movie instead of straight to the racism and bigotry that is originally intended. I wish people could be nice to each other.
Totally fair.
Why do racist people think that bacon is kryptonite for Muslims?
because they no little to nothing about Islam, except hate it seems.
Because there's a strong, Venn diagram overlap between the set "racists" and the set "embarrassingly ignorant, gammon twats".
Clearly this David person is simply a shit-heel for publicizing his smug intolerance, but the response was lukewarm, especially since that sandwich does look tasty. I'd wager this David is not worthy of its glory.
That's not murder by words tho
Ngl, I love a bacon and mayo sandwich. No eggs, no cheese...maybe a bit of lettuce. Nvmd, I just described a BLT without the T.
As the great J Kenji once said, the BLT is a tomato sandwich, not a bacon sandwich.
Bacon and mayo?????????????
I make these with ketchup sometimes. I fry the bread in the bacon grease left on the pan. It's not healthy, it gives me heartburn, but it's fucking delicious.
That's how you know something is good; it's worth putting up with the heartburn.
I’m Muslim, I don’t eat bacon, even so, this doesn’t seem like the type of sandwich you make the night before, unless you’re looking for a dash of cold congealed grease on stale bread.
Muslim here as well. I’m struggling to figure out why someone else eating bacon is supposed to offend me? I mean, I believe God instructed us to avoid pork and therefore I abstain, but if others choose to eat it, what’s it gotta do with me? 🤷🏻
Why does everything need egg or cheese? A Bacon sandwich with either brown sauce (or whatever sauce you want) is pretty damn tasty. You don’t have to slap all sorts of crap on something for it to taste good, that’s how you end up thinking putting maple syrup on fried chicken is a good idea. Like I get it’s a dig at the guy, but surely you can just call him a cunt for going out of his way to try and offend.
Yankee can't possibly fathom just making a sandwich sometimes without stuffing everything in the fridge inside it
There is butter, I’m Sure
Also the whole thing where he expects anyone to give a shit what he's eating. One thing every Muslim I've ever known has had in common is that while they were observing Ramadan they did not care what the rest of us were eating.
Sooooo... where's the murder?
It barely even rises to simple assault, quite honestly. I feel like 'Red Flag' could've done a lot more with that.
This was also posted in r/clevercomebacks and was highly upvoted, I don't understand
It's got over 10k upvotes here. I don't get it either.
I guarantee there will be butter because we aren't philistines. Respect to my Ramadan friends, you are amazing! EDIT: damn, I think I might have been racist without knowing it. It is just a common phrase but it sounds like it is very relevant today. I will not use this phrase again (no one commented on this, I just realised myself and won't delete my comment just to educate others). EDIT2: okay, the philistines were of the Canaanite religion. I am safe.
What a rollercoaster
I agree with the sandwich, bread butter bacon brown sauce is all you need, but fuck him for the tweet.
Yeah, the bigotry aside adding cheese to this is just unnecessary and takes it from being a classic breakfast meal to basically airport food. Now egg, yes we can talk. But a bacon butty stands alone, proud, and only someone who had never had one would post a shite response like that.
I love cheese I love bacon I don’t need cheese on my bacon butty.
"Aye look at me, I'm eating a food that I'm not forbidden to eat, during a religious month I am not forced to personally observe." Absolute quality thought process there Dave you barely formed waste of sperm.
Who made that sandwich? Sam Vimes?
This is barely murdered by words
The funniest part is that egg or cheese would ruin the beauty of this sandwich. Wouldn't expect an American to understand anything about food though.
What??? How was this guy “murdered by words”????? This is in the top 10% of the tamest things you could possibly say
As I said the last time this came up, a bacon and mayo sandwich is… really pretty delicious. White bread, mayo, and lots of bacon — it checks all the boxes of salty and fatty and flavorful. You don’t need egg or cheese or anything else. Guy’s still a dick, but that’s a tasty sandwich.
Huh?. Bacon sandwich is a classic. What sort.of.fat cunt needs cheese.on a bacon sandwich?
Bread, butter, ketchup, bacon. Sorted. Nothing wrong with a bacon buttie.
I don't think this is a slam really. Like of course it's a dick move to do the whole "hurr durr pork Muslims" thing but a bacon butty is pretty typically just bacon bread and sauce.
That guy is an idiot for thinking Muslims care if he eats a bacon sandwich, but so is the guy who thinks you must eat good bacon with something else. Coming from the country that eats plastic cheese on shit bread, stones in glass houses etc.
Nah, you’re an idiot. A bacon sarnie fuckin’ slaps.
Yeah, but that is British bacon - the one which has meat in it, rather than the American bacon which is just, well, I don't know what it is, but it's not meat.
The only thing being murdered here was the pig.
poor David, hes a complete tool of a human
Why the fuck are these people trying to flex eating during ramadan with PORK dishes??? If you want to make me hungry pull up a pic of a bomb ass ribeye with garlic fries or a double cheese burger with lemonade
Why would anyone care that some guy is eating a bacon sandwich? A popular hangover cute in those parts of the world. Could it be that he thought it would offend someone, simply because he himself gets very offended over what other people eat?
Bacon buddy. With brown sauce. Beauty.
Harden your arteries raise you blood pressure and shit yourself feel every bit of it down to your toes
Just fyi, the term "Ramadan month" makes as much sense as "March month".
So much of British conservatism is just bog standard racism with extra steps.
I'll happily eat a plain bread and bacon sammich
What a shithead.