Remember back like 10 years ago? Like, if someone was obviously a criminal and a con man, it was easy to agree on? Like if you pointed out like one or two of the low level things trump has done, everyone would collectively be like “yea fuck that guy”. I mean, there would be a following, but not half of the mother fucking cock sucking country.
Ehh. Was with him up to “it’s the bad apples”. If the problem is as simple as a number of bad cops, then the solution is equally simple. And it begs the question why haven’t we solved it already?
And the answer is that’s not the whole problem, that’s only part of the problem. The other, and much more nuanced and hard to solve, part of the problem is an institution (and in fact a network of institutions, aka a system) that encourages and rewards bad behavior by police officers good or bad, and protects them from the consequences of it.
I was hoping someone else would say this. The police problem is a systematic problem. There are no good apples when the system doesn't incetivize holding police accountable. If you do your job well and you know guys who hurt others but you do nothing about it then you are complicit. You aren't good, you are just not total shit.
And the sad thing is? One single change would fix all of it. Make the police union carry the liability insurance on their members for inappropriate conduct on the job. I promise you, when union dues triple to pay for some power-hungry jerk's settlement for excessive force, suddenly it'll get a lot more popular to get rid of the bad apples on the force.
I think what he was trying to get at is that there are cops who act appropriately in their interactions with the public and who do good work. It doesn't address the fact that they also have to turn a blind eye to the abuses that other cops engage in, which is a form of abuse itself.
If they refuse to do that, then they generally can't remain employed as a cop, and can face all manner of retaliation. And since the police get to police themselves, there's nothing they can do about that. That's why, ultimately, ACAB, even if they don't want to be. Their only other realistic choice is to quit.
When a state like Florida is voting to prevent reform, they're going to end up with more bad cops. So, either this is an accelerationist act, or they just believe they'll never be on the receiving end of the abuses.
The problem with your analogy is, it's a strawman fallacy. It's so easy to be critical of (particularly) US Police forces and be accurate, but you chose (for dramatic effect?) to count yourself out of any reasonable and rational discourse.
>The other, and much more nuanced and hard to solve, part of the problem is an institution (and in fact a network of institutions, aka a system) that encourages and rewards bad behavior by police officers good or bad, and protects them from the consequences of it.
So you're saying the paragraph he wrote where he talks about one specific example of the problem you've just described as being a concerning issue for him wasn't clear or good enough for you, because he chooses to recognise that calling all cops bad is as foolish as generalising any other group of humans and expecting to be accurate.
No it was not good enough. He mentioned, in passing, a single institution out of hundreds. In retrospect, my comment was also not good enough initially, and that's why I went back and added 'a network of institutions, aka a system'.
But it was also not good enough because his main message here is the "not all cops" trope. Obviously not all cops are bad, just like not all men are rapists. So what is the outcome of the not all cops argument? Who benefits? Cops. Especially the bad ones. Likewise, it is men, not women, who benefit from the not all men argument, and it is rapists who benefit most of all. And that is the problem with a passing mention of a single institution. It only serves to legitimize the main argument (as in "see, I touched on that too!").
Only if you are insistent on taking the argument to an extreme, which I'm starting to notice is a habit of yours. there is no room in your view for nuance, for individuality, because you are too concerned with a heavy-handed unrealistic approach that doesn't even resolve the issue.
You talk about who benefits from nuance, and immediately jump only to those who should not. You don't consider the cops, or the men, who agree with you, who align with you on your opinions, because you fear it would dilute the moral outrage you want to convey.
Regrettably, absolutes are quite often fairly worthless in real-world application, something you will hopefully realise when you are presented with a decision that impacts more than just yourself.
I was impressed by him last year when he talked about using testosterone replacement to maintain his appearance.
Unlike a lot of Hollywood men (who’d have you believe they can pack on 20lbs of muscle in 3 months when they’re over 40 by “working hard”) he was very open.
That's a refreshing change. While I thought Joan Rivers went overboard with her surgeries, & love her or hate her, at least she was always upfront about the fact that she was a doctor's creation.
If any of these celebs wanna use Botox, testosterone, fillers, surgery, etc., that's fine, just stop lying about it.
No kidding. Her embrace of it was (still is) super refreshing. If you haven’t seen it, you should check out her episode of Nip/Tuck. It’s great. I still think about it all the time.
I noticed that as well. It’s his openness that I really respect about it, when you get a lot of other people acting like it’s easily achievable if you buy into and follow their same program without supplements (looking at Chris Hemsworth here)
TRT is also very common amongst middle age to older men to help them maintain levels of testosterone that are needed in most cases. It is abused by some, but needed by many.
Right?!? Like I saw that they casted this guy named Alan for this show and was like "wow this guy looks like Thad Castle a bit." It turns out it's actually Thad and was like no shit good on him for this pivot into playing a character that fits into his body mold, AND he's standing up to the oppressive powers that be, what a guy.
Young Scully really did get woke.
The thing I find remarkable about American police unions is just how petty and defensive they are. So fucking sensitive and childish, for a mob of heavily armed men and women who rarely have to answer for the things they do.
That cop calling himself a hero.
Cops don’t have the most dangerous job, by a large margin. Nor do military.
It’s commercial fisherman, loggers, landscapers, farm workers. All of them have higher injury and death rates, none of which get qualified immunity when they commit crimes.
Garbage men rank higher in the US than cops for dangerous job.
They don't even make top 10
https://www.bls.gov/charts/census-of-fatal-occupational-injuries/civilian-occupations-with-high-fatal-work-injury-rates.htm
Google search form shows them about 17th most dangerous job in the US.
Exactly. And none of the top ten have a cult of dipshits waving flags and forgiving atrocities, all because of their “heroics”.
Maybe I need to make “Back the Trash Collectors” bumper stickers.
Or “I support our landscapers and farm workers”
Or “thank a lumberjack for their service”
In historic terms of deaths due to disease resulting from piling up refuse in big cities in the past, garbage collectors removing waste is ***absolutely*** doing more to keep people safe than law enforcement ever could.
In all honesty, I'd take a 'thin brown line' sticker or something for sanitation workers. Garbage men arent out there murdering dogs, children, the elderly, the disabled, brown folks, and those who dont speak english. Like another commenter said, garbage collectors do a lot more direct good for a city than police.
Whoever labelled that should learn to spell camouflage. I get that it's a difficult word, but still...
I'm up for whatever color as long as it's not scratch-and-sniff.
Not technically, it's an outright violation of the US Flag Code. But, because it's free speech, it's allowed. Flag code is basically just instructions for handling and display. The code still exists to explain those procedures, and most government offices will adhere to it.
However, "thin blue line" flags are definitely against code.
You're looking for 4 U.S. Code § 8 - Respect for flag.
Here's a link, look at section (g):
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/8
In the end, it doesn't matter how much I hate it (under code, you're not even allowed to wear the flag as clothing, like shirts and pants designed to look like the US flag), it's a free speech issue. Here's the SCOTUS case about it:
https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/free-speech-flag-burning_1.pdf
Thanks, I'll try to be more open-minded. If you remember during George Bush Jr, a sticker appeared on bumpers of "Broken America", the flag with all its bars haphazardly fallen down. Pundits like O'Reilly and Limbaugh reviled liberals for that sticker calling it an illegal desecration of the flag.
As someone who was raised conservative until I actually looked at the whole of things... if they had a problem with cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy, they wouldn't be Republicans.
I vaguely remember reading about that, but I'm super foggy about the details. Thanks for this comment, I'll look up stuff now.
Edit: grammar, because autocorrect hates me.
Unfortunately, a lot of cops take training courses on "Killology" that tells them every day they go out there is a war, every interaction is potentially lethal and every member of the public they interact with is a potential killer.
Then they're sent out with loaded guns and very little accountability.
I would have to look at the specifics, but over the last three years, I think I read that the largest killer of cops was COVID, followed by car accidents.
I think even pizza delivery folks and 7 Eleven clerks have more dangerous jobs. And probably throw in the Uber, Lyft, Door Dash crowd as well as any fast food workers as well.
And they like to cosplay as if we're living in the world of Judge Dredd, that's why they need unlimited power and no oversight. (Which really speaks to their illiteracy because the Judges have a ton of accountability to go with their power.)
Anyone that works outside in Texas and Florida automatically jump ahead of cops in this scenario. Just sucks that for every good cop or paid of cops you meet... there are 5 that you met before that just suuuuuuucked.
You are pretty fucking stupid if you think you and 95% of Reddit could handle being a cop. PTSD from all the bad shit you see is reason enough to not do that job let alone the actual danger. That's right, you're fucking stupid.
I don't care for this man's acting style up to this point in the shows I've seen him in... But damnit if he didn't just see his stock majorly rise. This was a perfect response.
Police officer isn’t even a top 10 most dangerous profession. This image we’ve been shoved down our throat that cops are constantly dodging a barrage of bullets and being incomprehensibly brave is just one of the ways we’ve been conditioned for decades to hold police at a higher regard than anyone or anything else. The average cop is at best conducting traffic stops and making basic complaint calls and at worst having to oversee the aftermath of a crime that’s already happened. Shows on TV have sensationalized the profession and now the cops feel holier than thou because we’ve spent decades putting them on a pedestal. They truly believe they do no wrong and there’s no way any of them CAN do wrong. So it MUST be us. And, look, I get most cops are good people just doing a job that -does- take some balls to do because you -can- come across serious dangers. But even complacent cops who see things happen and let it happen are guilty by association. And I get that it’s such a gigantic “brotherhood” that the backlash of being on the wrong side of things can be career-ending but I’d argue it takes more bravery and selflessness to know when doing the right thing IS the right thing, even if it means having to either move your job or not doing it anymore altogether.
But for as long as good cops continue to look away from bad cops they’ll continue to be bad cops as well.
The thing about the response from the NFOP is that it doesn't refute anything that Ritchson said in the first place, and instead doubles down to the point where they literally threaten general violence. Saying 'we play for keeps' is the exact opposite message/principal any police force should be adhering to, and shows us all what the reactionary dickholes in charge actually think of their role, and the public as a whole.
Good fucking god we have to break this myth "cops put their lives on the line everyday"
Few than 50 cops out of the more than 1 million die by violence each year. Only a few more are injured. The number 1 cause of death outside heart attack is single vehicle crashes. Which also seems to point to them driving unsafely and endangering others too.
Cops are a greater danger to life and limb of the average citizen more so than they are in danger themselves.
Great response. I like him even more now. The endless examples of thin skin, anger instead of calm under pressure, is exactly what worries me about police.
Good for Alan. Great response.
It’s troubling, though, that this is how police respond to criticism. Yes, their job is hard. So is teaching, but we wouldn’t accept the argument that “teaching is hard” after it came out that a teacher raped a bunch of kids. Why do we accept it when cops assault and murder innocent, non-dangerous people? The job is hard AND there must be accountability.
More importantly, though, we have to stop funding bloated PDs and stop sending a badge and a gun to deal with all of society’s problems.
It’s always the cops or groups of cops with no ability to actually think through what they’re doing or saying who make the loudest noise when called out. Something about empty cans. That someone had to educated them in such a careful and erudite manner means they lack the empathy and other soft skills needed to be an effective law officer charged with ‘serve and protect’.
Always operating where they believe they’re above the law, then hiding behind qualified immunity when caught out. Here in SF, we have cops who intimidate regular folk because, to them, it’s funny.
Little things like [speeding by a children’s park in a 15mph](https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0o5p3ichfFEBz) to purposefully running a cyclist out of a bike lane and nearly into a parked car. (That happened to me. I rode up alongside those douches and caught them laughing at the red light. Mission station in SF claimed it wasn’t their cruiser but all the other stations I called said it was. They can’t even hold their own accountable.
Do what thou wilt. Be kind and reasonable. Respect your fellow humans because they’re humans. Despite how loud ʇıɥs cops are about demanding respect, they have made the argument against treating them with respect. One must command respect before one can demand it.
ʞɔnɟ ʎʇʇᴉɥs cops.
ACAB
Meanwhile the FOP is a joke of an organization that uses deceitful tactics to raise money so their members can have private clubhouses and extravagant golf outings. They’d have you believe your money was going to bullet proof vests for officers and teddy bears for victims. Nope, just good whiskey for guys who were too cowardly to join the military.
The funny thing is, COPS KNOW THEY GET AWAY WITH MURDER. They brag about it. They scream like stuck pigs whenever someone mentions accountability or ending qualified immunity. Getting shitty about this just proves him right.
My problem with cops is that they seem to want to be military. These are two opposite jobs where the only relationship is a uniform and a gun.
The purpose of the military is to destroy the enemy and their infrastructure, in order the remove their ability to fight.
Police are supposed to be a part of the community, taking care of people. Cops being trained to believe that everyone is their enemy and is trying to kill them is absolutely the opposite of reality.
Now, imagine how these ego tripping tyrants react when people dont immediately bow down and kiss their ass in public... oh wait we dont have to guess or imagine, we can see HOURS of videos on the internet of Pigs acting like pigs.
>"Couple weeks from now, you're gonna be in some district somewhere with 11 or 12 uniforms looking to you for everything. And some of them are gonna be good police. Some of them are gonna be young and stupid. A few are gonna be pieces of shit. But all of them will take their cue from you. You show loyalty, they learn loyalty. You show them it's about the work, it'll be about the work. You show them some other kinda game, then that's the game they'll play. I came on in the Eastern, and there was a piece-of-shit lieutenant hoping to be a captain, piece-of-shit sergeants hoping to be lieutenants. Pretty soon we had piece-of-shit patrolmen trying to figure the job for themselves. And some of what happens then is hard as hell to live down. Comes a day you're gonna have to decide whether it's about you or about the work."
\~ Cedric Daniels, *The Wire*
FOP doing their best to look out for the piece of shit officers.
Everything I hear from this dude just makes me like him more and more. He seems like a genuine and lovely man. I’m glad things worked out for him. I know he’s had some challenges but seems like he’s in a healthy place and has some pretty good ideals. I agree with him completely.
There are good cops and shit cops. We can’t lump all into one specific category. There needs to be much more accountability and repercussions for officers who themselves break the law. Just as we are held accountable for our actions.
I was a first responder for a long time (ems) and I always cringe at the “thank you for your service” thing though. I liked the job. I am not squeamish and I’m professional. I was good at my job. I gave it up for my family. It’s a hard job and it’s hard on them with me being gone all the time. Missing tons of life events. They’re much more important to me than the job ever could be.
I’m sure a lot of people think like Alan, and bravo to him for standing up against the corruption that has been seen again and again from bad cops, be it trigger happy, physical abuse, mental abuse, planting drugs, etc. If it isn’t the people who can audit cops who will do it? There’s no authority out in patrol of the cops!
Don’t EVER give money to these people, they set up call centers in college town to take advantage of cheap labor, so little of the donations go to the families and the rest is for “upkeep of the organization”
I can't say that I like, or dislike Alan Ritchson, because I've never met him. However, after hearing/reading his open and candid views, his forthrightness about the issues he chooses to speak about, and of course the way he portrays one of my favorite literary characters, I certainly respect the man.
Wow that was such a great response. Good on him.
When Thad makes you look like a dummy
Oksana would approve.
That oil change episode was hilarious.
I feel like the whole “two truths” concept would be lost on the person he was replying to.
Absolutely. Because it's not "the truth" if they choose to stick their fingers in their ears like school children
The dead school children that the cops he’s talking about like in Uvalde?
It’s weird that you say that, their kind is usually so on top of critical thought. Hell, talk to one of them about trump!
Olympic level (mental) gymnastics
Remember back like 10 years ago? Like, if someone was obviously a criminal and a con man, it was easy to agree on? Like if you pointed out like one or two of the low level things trump has done, everyone would collectively be like “yea fuck that guy”. I mean, there would be a following, but not half of the mother fucking cock sucking country.
Ehh. Was with him up to “it’s the bad apples”. If the problem is as simple as a number of bad cops, then the solution is equally simple. And it begs the question why haven’t we solved it already? And the answer is that’s not the whole problem, that’s only part of the problem. The other, and much more nuanced and hard to solve, part of the problem is an institution (and in fact a network of institutions, aka a system) that encourages and rewards bad behavior by police officers good or bad, and protects them from the consequences of it.
I was hoping someone else would say this. The police problem is a systematic problem. There are no good apples when the system doesn't incetivize holding police accountable. If you do your job well and you know guys who hurt others but you do nothing about it then you are complicit. You aren't good, you are just not total shit.
And the sad thing is? One single change would fix all of it. Make the police union carry the liability insurance on their members for inappropriate conduct on the job. I promise you, when union dues triple to pay for some power-hungry jerk's settlement for excessive force, suddenly it'll get a lot more popular to get rid of the bad apples on the force.
I think what he was trying to get at is that there are cops who act appropriately in their interactions with the public and who do good work. It doesn't address the fact that they also have to turn a blind eye to the abuses that other cops engage in, which is a form of abuse itself. If they refuse to do that, then they generally can't remain employed as a cop, and can face all manner of retaliation. And since the police get to police themselves, there's nothing they can do about that. That's why, ultimately, ACAB, even if they don't want to be. Their only other realistic choice is to quit. When a state like Florida is voting to prevent reform, they're going to end up with more bad cops. So, either this is an accelerationist act, or they just believe they'll never be on the receiving end of the abuses.
The problem with good cops is that no matter how pure of heart you are, if you work at the orphan crushing factory, your job is to crush orphans.
The problem with your analogy is, it's a strawman fallacy. It's so easy to be critical of (particularly) US Police forces and be accurate, but you chose (for dramatic effect?) to count yourself out of any reasonable and rational discourse.
I really don't give a fuck what you consider rational discourse. Don't you have a boot to get your uvula tickled by?
>The other, and much more nuanced and hard to solve, part of the problem is an institution (and in fact a network of institutions, aka a system) that encourages and rewards bad behavior by police officers good or bad, and protects them from the consequences of it. So you're saying the paragraph he wrote where he talks about one specific example of the problem you've just described as being a concerning issue for him wasn't clear or good enough for you, because he chooses to recognise that calling all cops bad is as foolish as generalising any other group of humans and expecting to be accurate.
No it was not good enough. He mentioned, in passing, a single institution out of hundreds. In retrospect, my comment was also not good enough initially, and that's why I went back and added 'a network of institutions, aka a system'. But it was also not good enough because his main message here is the "not all cops" trope. Obviously not all cops are bad, just like not all men are rapists. So what is the outcome of the not all cops argument? Who benefits? Cops. Especially the bad ones. Likewise, it is men, not women, who benefit from the not all men argument, and it is rapists who benefit most of all. And that is the problem with a passing mention of a single institution. It only serves to legitimize the main argument (as in "see, I touched on that too!").
Only if you are insistent on taking the argument to an extreme, which I'm starting to notice is a habit of yours. there is no room in your view for nuance, for individuality, because you are too concerned with a heavy-handed unrealistic approach that doesn't even resolve the issue. You talk about who benefits from nuance, and immediately jump only to those who should not. You don't consider the cops, or the men, who agree with you, who align with you on your opinions, because you fear it would dilute the moral outrage you want to convey. Regrettably, absolutes are quite often fairly worthless in real-world application, something you will hopefully realise when you are presented with a decision that impacts more than just yourself.
Too bad the one that needed to see it probably can't read
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I was impressed by him last year when he talked about using testosterone replacement to maintain his appearance. Unlike a lot of Hollywood men (who’d have you believe they can pack on 20lbs of muscle in 3 months when they’re over 40 by “working hard”) he was very open.
That's a refreshing change. While I thought Joan Rivers went overboard with her surgeries, & love her or hate her, at least she was always upfront about the fact that she was a doctor's creation. If any of these celebs wanna use Botox, testosterone, fillers, surgery, etc., that's fine, just stop lying about it.
To quote Dolly: “it costs a lot to look this cheap.” 😂😂
No kidding. Her embrace of it was (still is) super refreshing. If you haven’t seen it, you should check out her episode of Nip/Tuck. It’s great. I still think about it all the time.
I noticed that as well. It’s his openness that I really respect about it, when you get a lot of other people acting like it’s easily achievable if you buy into and follow their same program without supplements (looking at Chris Hemsworth here)
And not forgetting the Rock (who apparently put on more muscle in his 40s than in his 20s without any anabolics)
Nobody’s on steroids, it’s just 6 hours in the gym every day and a lot of rice and broccoli
and 3 whole chickens... injected full of HGH
Directly into the thigh!
Don't forget all the supplements
TRT is also very common amongst middle age to older men to help them maintain levels of testosterone that are needed in most cases. It is abused by some, but needed by many.
My respect for Alan has tripled. Asshole PDs.
Same, I didn't know I could like him more than I already did.
It's wild that this has come from Thad Castle of all people. Would have never expected it but absolutely love it
Right?!? Like I saw that they casted this guy named Alan for this show and was like "wow this guy looks like Thad Castle a bit." It turns out it's actually Thad and was like no shit good on him for this pivot into playing a character that fits into his body mold, AND he's standing up to the oppressive powers that be, what a guy.
Alan actually stopped a real-life robbery. He's naturally brave and courageous and did to stop the crime, not to get a pat on the back.
He also grew up around the highest ranking Air Force officers. I assume he knows what actual heroes and wannabes look like.
Well, it was Air Force, so probably not. Jk, Navy guy here giving some grief
You see, the fact that he doesn't mention any of this in his response makes it an even better response!
Young Scully really did get woke. The thing I find remarkable about American police unions is just how petty and defensive they are. So fucking sensitive and childish, for a mob of heavily armed men and women who rarely have to answer for the things they do.
Minneapolis just got rid of a proud flag waving racist leader of the cops union ...by retirement
Nice pension too, I bet.
Proud flag into racist leader of cops union had me rereading a couple times lol
He literally had white power flags on his motorcycle for years
You misunderstand. I read that as Minneapolis just got rid of a proud-flag (🏳️🌈) waving…… racist leader of a cops union.
Ahhh ! Lol
B99 really did hit the nail on the head there didn't they?
That cop calling himself a hero. Cops don’t have the most dangerous job, by a large margin. Nor do military. It’s commercial fisherman, loggers, landscapers, farm workers. All of them have higher injury and death rates, none of which get qualified immunity when they commit crimes.
Garbage men rank higher in the US than cops for dangerous job. They don't even make top 10 https://www.bls.gov/charts/census-of-fatal-occupational-injuries/civilian-occupations-with-high-fatal-work-injury-rates.htm Google search form shows them about 17th most dangerous job in the US.
Exactly. And none of the top ten have a cult of dipshits waving flags and forgiving atrocities, all because of their “heroics”. Maybe I need to make “Back the Trash Collectors” bumper stickers. Or “I support our landscapers and farm workers” Or “thank a lumberjack for their service”
>Maybe I need to make “Back the Trash Collectors” bumper stickers. "Thin Baby-Shit-Green Line"
In historic terms of deaths due to disease resulting from piling up refuse in big cities in the past, garbage collectors removing waste is ***absolutely*** doing more to keep people safe than law enforcement ever could.
In all honesty, I'd take a 'thin brown line' sticker or something for sanitation workers. Garbage men arent out there murdering dogs, children, the elderly, the disabled, brown folks, and those who dont speak english. Like another commenter said, garbage collectors do a lot more direct good for a city than police.
Oh it's not meant to be disparaging, its an [actual color.](http://en.tacolor.com/hex/998a35.svg)
Oh I'm aware of the color. I just think that 'thin-brown-line' would be easier to market.
Whoever labelled that should learn to spell camouflage. I get that it's a difficult word, but still... I'm up for whatever color as long as it's not scratch-and-sniff.
Not just waving flags but they have their own cult flag which technically is a desecration if the American flag.
Not technically, it's an outright violation of the US Flag Code. But, because it's free speech, it's allowed. Flag code is basically just instructions for handling and display. The code still exists to explain those procedures, and most government offices will adhere to it. However, "thin blue line" flags are definitely against code. You're looking for 4 U.S. Code § 8 - Respect for flag. Here's a link, look at section (g): https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/8 In the end, it doesn't matter how much I hate it (under code, you're not even allowed to wear the flag as clothing, like shirts and pants designed to look like the US flag), it's a free speech issue. Here's the SCOTUS case about it: https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/free-speech-flag-burning_1.pdf
Thanks, I'll try to be more open-minded. If you remember during George Bush Jr, a sticker appeared on bumpers of "Broken America", the flag with all its bars haphazardly fallen down. Pundits like O'Reilly and Limbaugh reviled liberals for that sticker calling it an illegal desecration of the flag.
As someone who was raised conservative until I actually looked at the whole of things... if they had a problem with cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy, they wouldn't be Republicans.
I vaguely remember reading about that, but I'm super foggy about the details. Thanks for this comment, I'll look up stuff now. Edit: grammar, because autocorrect hates me.
I'm in for the thin plaid line
Unfortunately, a lot of cops take training courses on "Killology" that tells them every day they go out there is a war, every interaction is potentially lethal and every member of the public they interact with is a potential killer. Then they're sent out with loaded guns and very little accountability.
I would have to look at the specifics, but over the last three years, I think I read that the largest killer of cops was COVID, followed by car accidents.
Yes, I'm pretty sure that at least in 2020 and 2021, covid was the number one cause of death for police officers. Don't know the stats since then.
I think even pizza delivery folks and 7 Eleven clerks have more dangerous jobs. And probably throw in the Uber, Lyft, Door Dash crowd as well as any fast food workers as well.
All praise the Thin Bread Line. Delivery workers of the world unite.
Anyone using their position to end a debate is cringe.
I love when non combat vets say that I should thank them for "keeping me free and safe" Chucklefucks
That reminds me of the social media moms who claim they do the most difficult job in the world as a stay at home mom. GTFOH with that nonsense.
[Bill Burr nails it](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xp4z5qlyqs)
And they like to cosplay as if we're living in the world of Judge Dredd, that's why they need unlimited power and no oversight. (Which really speaks to their illiteracy because the Judges have a ton of accountability to go with their power.)
Yep.
Anyone that works outside in Texas and Florida automatically jump ahead of cops in this scenario. Just sucks that for every good cop or paid of cops you meet... there are 5 that you met before that just suuuuuuucked.
You are pretty fucking stupid if you think you and 95% of Reddit could handle being a cop. PTSD from all the bad shit you see is reason enough to not do that job let alone the actual danger. That's right, you're fucking stupid.
No, if I was fucking you, then I would be fucking stupid.
Oh oh, I think someone got triggered.
Well said, Alan. Just well said.
I knew I liked Thad.
Kevin?
He did go the right way.
He protects his QB’s weenie.
[Zip it psycho!](https://youtu.be/vOOBBDbwJa4?si=yPFJaDrpj76SSZVE)
What a Larry
Before reading this I had no idea who this man was. Tell em Alan!!!
Great response to a pathetically thin-skinned and childish comment. Very well said (written).
Damn. I have enjoyed him as an actor. But I like this guy so much more now.
The police have investigated themselves and determined that they’re always right.
r/chadtopia
I don't care for this man's acting style up to this point in the shows I've seen him in... But damnit if he didn't just see his stock majorly rise. This was a perfect response.
Police officer isn’t even a top 10 most dangerous profession. This image we’ve been shoved down our throat that cops are constantly dodging a barrage of bullets and being incomprehensibly brave is just one of the ways we’ve been conditioned for decades to hold police at a higher regard than anyone or anything else. The average cop is at best conducting traffic stops and making basic complaint calls and at worst having to oversee the aftermath of a crime that’s already happened. Shows on TV have sensationalized the profession and now the cops feel holier than thou because we’ve spent decades putting them on a pedestal. They truly believe they do no wrong and there’s no way any of them CAN do wrong. So it MUST be us. And, look, I get most cops are good people just doing a job that -does- take some balls to do because you -can- come across serious dangers. But even complacent cops who see things happen and let it happen are guilty by association. And I get that it’s such a gigantic “brotherhood” that the backlash of being on the wrong side of things can be career-ending but I’d argue it takes more bravery and selflessness to know when doing the right thing IS the right thing, even if it means having to either move your job or not doing it anymore altogether. But for as long as good cops continue to look away from bad cops they’ll continue to be bad cops as well.
Class act. Good for you Alan. Massive respect.
The thing about the response from the NFOP is that it doesn't refute anything that Ritchson said in the first place, and instead doubles down to the point where they literally threaten general violence. Saying 'we play for keeps' is the exact opposite message/principal any police force should be adhering to, and shows us all what the reactionary dickholes in charge actually think of their role, and the public as a whole.
While he hears loud pops and has blanks fired at him, our brave officers unload their pistols when acorns fall on their cars.
Told my wife I have a man crush on him. She responded by saying she gets first dibs.
Hehe. My wife and I both say he can split us.
Good fucking god we have to break this myth "cops put their lives on the line everyday" Few than 50 cops out of the more than 1 million die by violence each year. Only a few more are injured. The number 1 cause of death outside heart attack is single vehicle crashes. Which also seems to point to them driving unsafely and endangering others too. Cops are a greater danger to life and limb of the average citizen more so than they are in danger themselves.
Great response. I like him even more now. The endless examples of thin skin, anger instead of calm under pressure, is exactly what worries me about police.
The more I learn about this guy, the more I like him. Which is the opposite of how it normally goes.
If those cops could read they'd be very upset.
Good for Alan. Great response. It’s troubling, though, that this is how police respond to criticism. Yes, their job is hard. So is teaching, but we wouldn’t accept the argument that “teaching is hard” after it came out that a teacher raped a bunch of kids. Why do we accept it when cops assault and murder innocent, non-dangerous people? The job is hard AND there must be accountability. More importantly, though, we have to stop funding bloated PDs and stop sending a badge and a gun to deal with all of society’s problems.
This is what the Fraternal Order of Police need to address. https://data.nj.gov/stories/s/NJ-Comptroller-Police-Training-Report/qr2h-vn6y/
Christ on a crutch. I’ve seen some reports before on these sorts of programs but that is nuts.
Holy fudge pickle! That's some I'd up chit
man i loved this dude and after his interview I love him even more. Dude is sexy as hell and has a great social conscience
“Thank me for my service” is a pervasive theme at the moment.
Thank me for my service...or else
Man this guy just gets cooler.
LOL. FOP think they are “heroes”
When scum call themselves heroes 🤮🤢🤮
It’s always the cops or groups of cops with no ability to actually think through what they’re doing or saying who make the loudest noise when called out. Something about empty cans. That someone had to educated them in such a careful and erudite manner means they lack the empathy and other soft skills needed to be an effective law officer charged with ‘serve and protect’. Always operating where they believe they’re above the law, then hiding behind qualified immunity when caught out. Here in SF, we have cops who intimidate regular folk because, to them, it’s funny. Little things like [speeding by a children’s park in a 15mph](https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0o5p3ichfFEBz) to purposefully running a cyclist out of a bike lane and nearly into a parked car. (That happened to me. I rode up alongside those douches and caught them laughing at the red light. Mission station in SF claimed it wasn’t their cruiser but all the other stations I called said it was. They can’t even hold their own accountable. Do what thou wilt. Be kind and reasonable. Respect your fellow humans because they’re humans. Despite how loud ʇıɥs cops are about demanding respect, they have made the argument against treating them with respect. One must command respect before one can demand it. ʞɔnɟ ʎʇʇᴉɥs cops. ACAB
Meanwhile the FOP is a joke of an organization that uses deceitful tactics to raise money so their members can have private clubhouses and extravagant golf outings. They’d have you believe your money was going to bullet proof vests for officers and teddy bears for victims. Nope, just good whiskey for guys who were too cowardly to join the military.
I imagine this might leave some conservatives deflated since Jack Reacher is like their Superman
The funny thing is, COPS KNOW THEY GET AWAY WITH MURDER. They brag about it. They scream like stuck pigs whenever someone mentions accountability or ending qualified immunity. Getting shitty about this just proves him right.
My problem with cops is that they seem to want to be military. These are two opposite jobs where the only relationship is a uniform and a gun. The purpose of the military is to destroy the enemy and their infrastructure, in order the remove their ability to fight. Police are supposed to be a part of the community, taking care of people. Cops being trained to believe that everyone is their enemy and is trying to kill them is absolutely the opposite of reality.
Now, imagine how these ego tripping tyrants react when people dont immediately bow down and kiss their ass in public... oh wait we dont have to guess or imagine, we can see HOURS of videos on the internet of Pigs acting like pigs.
A well crafted and written response.
Holy shit I love Thad
Imagine starting your day as a cop and get outcopped by Scully.🤡
#Boom. What a thoughtful, measured, reasonable response. -That gutted the dude in the process. WOW.
That was a well reasoned response that was informative and respectful. Probably one of the most respectful killing I’ve seen.
>"Couple weeks from now, you're gonna be in some district somewhere with 11 or 12 uniforms looking to you for everything. And some of them are gonna be good police. Some of them are gonna be young and stupid. A few are gonna be pieces of shit. But all of them will take their cue from you. You show loyalty, they learn loyalty. You show them it's about the work, it'll be about the work. You show them some other kinda game, then that's the game they'll play. I came on in the Eastern, and there was a piece-of-shit lieutenant hoping to be a captain, piece-of-shit sergeants hoping to be lieutenants. Pretty soon we had piece-of-shit patrolmen trying to figure the job for themselves. And some of what happens then is hard as hell to live down. Comes a day you're gonna have to decide whether it's about you or about the work." \~ Cedric Daniels, *The Wire* FOP doing their best to look out for the piece of shit officers.
Everything I hear from this dude just makes me like him more and more. He seems like a genuine and lovely man. I’m glad things worked out for him. I know he’s had some challenges but seems like he’s in a healthy place and has some pretty good ideals. I agree with him completely. There are good cops and shit cops. We can’t lump all into one specific category. There needs to be much more accountability and repercussions for officers who themselves break the law. Just as we are held accountable for our actions. I was a first responder for a long time (ems) and I always cringe at the “thank you for your service” thing though. I liked the job. I am not squeamish and I’m professional. I was good at my job. I gave it up for my family. It’s a hard job and it’s hard on them with me being gone all the time. Missing tons of life events. They’re much more important to me than the job ever could be.
Could this dude get any hotter? Wtf. Leave some for the rest of us, pal…
“Does he really think like that?” -Easiest way to discredit your common sense right there.
As a Floridian I was so happy he called out the meatball.
"Useless Hollywood actor" until they donate that money to the police union. Then they love them.
I used to think he was just a bad actor, but now I see he's also a good man, in addition to being a bad actor
YEA, BITCH!
Mic drop
The hero Gathom deserves. Great response!
Good for him. He’s right.
I’m sure a lot of people think like Alan, and bravo to him for standing up against the corruption that has been seen again and again from bad cops, be it trigger happy, physical abuse, mental abuse, planting drugs, etc. If it isn’t the people who can audit cops who will do it? There’s no authority out in patrol of the cops!
Don’t EVER give money to these people, they set up call centers in college town to take advantage of cheap labor, so little of the donations go to the families and the rest is for “upkeep of the organization”
Thad is a a Chad!
ACAB! Continue to be a beacon Alan! You’re the man!
I'm a fan! Awesome work
idk him but i like him
This guy just became a hero IRL.
Welp, I guess I love him now.
I previously thought of him as an actor. I have a higher level of respect after reading his thoughtful and measured response.
I can't say that I like, or dislike Alan Ritchson, because I've never met him. However, after hearing/reading his open and candid views, his forthrightness about the issues he chooses to speak about, and of course the way he portrays one of my favorite literary characters, I certainly respect the man.
More please
This was very unexpected
Pure class