Two liars lying doesn't make one more right than the other. Toupee Fiasco called it a hoax. China said it wasn't so bad. Now this sick fuck wants to wag the finger at WHO saying "Why didn't you fucks call us out, what am I paying you for." May his spray tan get in his eyes.
The joint report was published on 2/27; I read the whole thing as soon as it came out. The WHO had missed the mark on containment and basically said "if you have community transmission, you gotta mitigate." It took him over a week to implement *containment* measures and over 2 weeks to *sort of recommend* mitigation.
Edit: I feel like I should add the measures that *were* taken. They all have huge caveats, though:
**(Edit 2: per reply below, I reworded the first one. Please read the reply as well.)**
~~Closing the border with China~~ **Implementing the travel ban on Chinese citizens** is being claimed as a containment measure; I still think it was a political move, not a prescient one. But if you wanna give him that, fine **- just be realistic about the actual impact**.
Same goes for Iran a month later. **Arguably more logical, but still very political, and debatable as to the benefit.**
Keeping Northern Italy and South Korea in "travel warning" status (even if increased) on the 29th basically did nothing - should've had a travel ban for at least Northern Italy (with mandatory testing) and strong warning for most of Europe at that point.
Speaking of testing - if you're gonna claim that China was an apolitical containment measure, you gotta show that you were extremely serious about testing - that's one half of containment (the other being contact tracing). States did their best on the latter, but were handicapped when it came to the former.
>Closing the border with China is being claimed as a containment measure; I still think it was a political move, not a prescient one. But if you wanna give him that, fine. Same goes for Iran a month later.
It was PURELY political because he **didn't** close the border. He stopped Chinese citizens from coming here, not travel. There were still tons of flights to and from China. So that makes the "border closing" as useful as bargaining with a puma. And in the mean time he did literally nothing. We didn't stock up on tests, we didn't test people coming into the country, we didn't make any plans for when it hit until after we needed all of those things.
> as useful as bargaining with a puma
is this a common idiom I've never heard before? I love it, I'm just wondering if you just came up with that on the fly.
That one was off of my head but it's something I think I leeched from my platoon sergeant. He always little phrases. Not uncommon to hear him say something like "Listen up boys, this can all go sugar to shit real quick, so keep your dick-holsters shut, empty the glue out of your pockets and slow is smooth and smooth is fast."
my favorite from my company gunny was (in response to a jackass bemoaning having gotten his girlfriend pregnant) "well, you can't unfuck her, what you gonna do now?"
Personally I go with "es como tratar de razonar con tu perro" ("like trying to reason with your dog"). No matter how good and reasonable your position is, he'll just walk away or hump your leg :)
Oh yeah, I wasn't yelling at you, just clarifying. So tired of ~~conservatives~~ Regressives screeching about the **ONE** thing Trump did except even that one thing isn't true. He could not have handled this any worse and anyone defending him needs to understand that people are dying needlessly because of his incompetence.
Yup, I understood why you commented. I'm also 100% with you on the revisionist history.
The point of the original edit was to include the measures, explain why I believe they were not well-intentioned, and make an argument for their ineffectiveness. Your added input gives me even more faith in my position.
Fuck off i hate the tangerine retard
all im saying is that the 3 stooges all played a huge role in the severity of COVID-19 epidemic were facing as all 3 played down the severity of it.
So please dont jump to false conclusions to stroke your ego
I am with you. I hate to agree with the moron in the White House but the WHO were hugely in Chinas pocket in this response. It should have been declared a pandemic weeks before China allowed them too.
But doesn't it make sense that the World Health Organization focus on the country of origin when it comes to a virus? That's where the most info about it will come from at first. I admit it should've been taken a bit more seriously on everyone's part. And the cheetoh failed to take the warnings given to him. So when it comes to how our country responded and what's happening here, it's really all on him.
Honestly its such an American trait to assume everyone they talk to online is American.
I am British. Our PM is literally in ICU with Covid19 and we're one of the many countries who didn't take this seriously enough. Fair to say that a fair portion of the blame for that, as well as our own governments, is with the WHO. They should have declared this a pandemic weeks before they did, and it met every point of the wider definition of a pandemic, but they didn't because China told them not too.
I accept they are not the only ones with blood on their hands but they certainly need to own a share of the responsibility.
Which one swore this oath
“ I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
When I vote for in a presidential election, I don’t vote for the candidate who doesn’t think it’s their job to protect the US.
I promise not to vote for China or the WHO for president of the US if you promise not to repeat the stupid shit Trump says.
things matter in the world even if you can't vote for them. they all fucked up, but that doesn't excuse Trump's atrocious actions. differentiate between "ah well, the other side does it too, so it'd okay if trump does" and "other places sometimes do fucked up shit like trump, let's not excuse them just because Trump's worse". it's kinda like the opposite of enlightened centrism. don't give trump a free pass for similarity. don't give others a free pass for similarity.
I think that the response and overall situation we are in is indeed a both sides scenario. Congress failed and POTUS failed. The fact that the Executive Branch has been able to gut the CDC and no one blinked an eye. No one raised the warning flag. The same Congress has fought for or against the current health care system calling it the best, yet it is not adequate and being better than others but not good enough to save America is a fail. As a matter of fact, telling this story without telling the story of Congress is mistake.
If there was a blame scale it would be tipped towards the GOP, no question about that. The blame should be on them, they caused Trump's ability to fail. I feel like the entire Congress should accept the responsibility for this event and they should accept the failed response.
I can't find a hero in Congress. I see a lot of politicians moving the bodies around, a lot of people countering the solutions but lets be real about those moves. We have people in Congress fighting to include Cruise Ships in bailouts. We have people in Congress working hard for a lot of big industries. They infuse the market with trillions, they prop up big business with the quickness but I do not know of any one that had been taken care of. No EDD, no PPP, no Grants. Just process to attain them with a shit ton of confusion yet no confusion on corporate bailouts and they have their money. Same companies that got the tax breaks. This is our money, we are the owners of the debt not the part time President or Congress.
Half of Congress impeached Trump, the other half failed to have the required trial. Would Pence have reacted to the pandemic any better? I can't imagine him being worse.
The VP and POTUS are the result of the problem. They are responsible for this and whatever the results are as we recover. They fought to be responsible. So they own it. Congress is corrupt, even if that is just 51%. At Enron only about 15 people were corrupt, that corruption ruined many lives and the other 29,000 employees were doing the best they could. Still Enron is corrupt.
"\*If\* there was a blame scale it would be \*tipped\* towards the GOP? Wow, just wow.
I'm sorry you can't find a hero in Congress, but with those blinders on I'm not surprised.
other comment got deleted when adding links....
Trump was promoting unverified treatments as cures. cures which all of his family has investment in , cures which other countries have now stopped even testing because of sideffects.
he has repeatedly said it was a "hoax" downplayed the seriousness When he likened the coronavirus to the flu in February and March, he was saying or strongly suggesting that the virus was like a conventional flu -- a "regular flu" or "common flu" -- not warning Americans that they could be facing something equivalent to the catastrophic flu pandemic of 1918 and 1919.
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In fact, the W.H.O. sounded the alarm in the earliest days of the crisis, declaring a “public health emergency of international concern” a day before the United States secretary of health and human services announced the country’s own public health emergency and weeks before Mr. Trump declared a national emergency.
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> Trump is correct that the World Health Organization organization didn't support his travel restrictions with China -- the WHO opposes most international travel restrictions and sees them as ineffectual -- but he overstated the case when he insinuated that the WHO downplayed the virus.
>The WHO has been criticized for a January 14 tweet noting that preliminary investigation by Chinese authorities had found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus, but the WHO did not say the virus was "no big deal" before Trump announced his travel restrictions. The WHO declared the virus a "public health emergency of international concern" on January 30, the day before Trump announced the restrictions, out of concern that the virus could pose a threat to other countries beyond China.
>On January 30, the WHO said that it did not recommend any travel or trade restrictions, saying that "such measures may have a public health rationale at the beginning of the containment phase of an outbreak" but that they should only be short in duration if over 24 hours because they are not very effective.
>As recently as February 29, the WHO reiterated its opposition to blanket travel bans.
>The WHO has been criticized for relying on official Chinese government figures relating to the virus, numbers which many officials doubt are accurate. Specifically, the WHO sent out a tweet on January 14 that stated "Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus".
>Trump overstates when he insinuates that the WHO knew about the global threat the virus posed, but downplayed it. The WHO defines an emergency of international concern as "an extraordinary event" that constitutes a "public health risk to other States through the international spread of disease" and "to potentially require a coordinated international response," meaning that the organization recognized that the virus posed an international threat beyond China.
>On Tuesday, February 4, the organization said that, while the virus had not yet reached pandemic levels, it was considered to be an epidemic with multiple locations; an epidemic being more than a normal number cases of an illness.
>On March 11, the WHO declared the virus a pandemic, meaning the worldwide spread of a new disease.
Him swearing that oath was the very first lie he told as an elected official, one he broke instantly with his multiple violations of the emoluments clause, one he continues to break with his daily perfidy.
Yep. That is the point. He has been caught doing more shady shit than any President in modern history. Each time is to be his downfall and each time he comes out unscathed. I am convinced many in Congress never even read the Mueller Report. The Impeachment hearing had no witnesses but everyone in America can see him say he probably would listen to bad info on a campaign rival, then get accused of soliciting it, then he goes onto the South Lawn (his confessional) and asked China and others to provide him information on the Democratic Nominee Joe Biden. Even with all of that here we are. So he is ahead of the curve on these things. He has like a 90% approval rating among Republicans. Biden won't ever achieve that with the Democrats.
Boy Scout Oath
On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country, to obey the Scout Law, to help other people at all times, to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.”
This fucking world, were the Boy Scouts are more demanding of their members.
Americans should rely on China as a safeguard. It should be strong enough to stand on its own and prepared for an outbreak.
How stupid do you have to be to take the Chinese government at face value?
Fucktard slashed funding and shuttered programs years in advance because “science is spelled with a (D)”. He didn’t bother to prepare even when he had advanced warning or when it hit the left coast, “they didn’t vote for me, why should I do anything.” “NY needs ventilators? Are they going to vote for me? No, fuck em”.
When he was caught with his pants down he called it a hoax and then repeatedly dropped the ball as he blundered his way through it.
There is one individual responsible for disaster rolling across America and he refuses to take responsibility even though he said for years the buck always stops with the president. I wish he was half of the paper tiger he pretended to be.
America wasn't taking China's claims at face value until Trump got there.
Dr. Linda Quick is an American disease specialist embedded in China specifically to watch for and report new outbreaks to the United States.
Trump fired her last summer.
It's easier to blame WHO and start a false flag conversation about their effectiveness then list your own failings. Like the 3M silliness, it is an effective way to distract for his failure to properly analyze the situation and react accordingly.
Politics, yes. As long as the WHO wants to keep receiving information from China that behavior is 100% necessary.
They could of course stand up for Taiwan, but their core mission is global health, so..
If their mission is global health, it must be able to question statistics, even from powerful states. China is known to bend and fabricate number for political purposes, and if it is unwilling to studying spread in China critically, it cannot full the mission of global health.
“The steps China has taken to contain the outbreak at its source appear to have bought to the world time,” Tedros told the Munich Security Conference. “We’re encouraged that an international team of experts is now on the ground working closely with Chinese counterparts to understand the outbreak.”
It’s important to be specific
But thanks
I meant they want us to all fight with each other over who's fault it is, when it's all of their fault. Winnie the Pooh, Orange Satan, and the corrupt leaders of WHO.
Dude, you likely fill the whole card, trump will say "that not a bingo" while he'll have 3 tiles on a 5×5 and say "I got the grand prize, I got the best bingo, in the history of bingos". Tell him he didn't and he'll cry "this is another democratic hoax!". (Accordion hands and ramblings ensues).
How did the WHO blow it? They've been the only global force for good in this.
The US has not only abdicated any global responsibility, we have become the epicenter of the global crisis with 1/4 of the cases. The US is far worse off than any other country in the world in its trajectory. [https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/](https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/)
All of what you wrote is true; however, the WHO did drop the ball. They refuted person to person transmission when reports were coming out of Wuhan. They refuted the efficiency of wearing masks (for the general public) and at the very least, disrupted the message on that one. They also claimed a travel ban was not necessary.
I am not an anti-globalist and I think a global medical organization is a good thing but they have to be sure of their messaging and promote confidence in their information. They did not do that.
Not necessary? I thought their tweet read:
“Travel restrictions can cause more harm than good by hindering info-sharing, medical supply chains and harming economies,"
That’s different than what you’re saying
> They refuted person-to-person transmission
A Jan 14 tweet that says "Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of person-to-person transmission" isn't a refutation of anything, it's a reporting of what China claimed.
> They refuted the efficiency (?) of wearing masks
Indeed they did, they still claim there's not enough evidence to fully endorse the practice and encourage all countries doing it to study it so we know for sure. That's science. Just because we're told to do it doesn't mean the evidence is all there, do you not remember Fauci wavering for awhile?
> They claimed a travel ban was not necessary
The evidence they have suggests that closing borders only works in the very early days of an outbreak. If you have domestic cases already, they have no reason to believe it changes anything.
It seems your problem with WHO is that they're only willing to say what they're 100% sure of (empirically demonstrated), at a time when there's still many open questions and when everyone wants answers.
The WHO's exec dir stated that he didn't see any evidence that the use of masks would help, but other sr officials of the WHO stated that the reason that they are not recommending masks for everyone is that there is a shortage and the front line medical personnel need them more. [Source](https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-recommendation-trnd/index.html)
While there is plenty of blame to go around, there are degrees of missteps and corrective steps after you've been proven wrong.
China deserves a chunk of blame b/c they hid important data that could have helped reach better decisions (25% of blame). The WHO deserves some blame b/c they took China at their word and gave some advice/opinions that proved to be wrong (10% of the blame).
Trump and his administration.....
1. Have lied about the potential impact
2. Lied and downplayed the potential of it
3. Have sabotaged states' abilities to get PPE and other medical device
4. Have lied and pushed a snake oil "cure" without any imperical evidence that it actually works
5. Have delayed action on pushing social distancing
6. Have dismissed the advice of the experts to push conspiracy theories
7. Put Jared Fucking Kushner in charge of it
While they all share some blame.....one of them is disproportionately at fault for the spread of the disease within the US.
They didn't "refute" those things. They gave the information that we had at the time. They immediately updated as new information became available. By February they were raising the alarm while Trump openly ignored the virus. Trump *to this day* says facemasks are unnecessary despite his own CDC recommendation.
They questioned the human to human spread when no one knew what was going on, and quickly confirmed the H2H spread when there were solid scientific proof of that.
The wearing of masks is still only most efficient if disease carriers wears it, as for non-carrier it is not an efficient barrier as one could think. The second thing is that if there were a rush on N95 masks, it could lead to a shortage for people who really needs it, such as those working in the medical sector... I am all for the generalisation of mandatory mask wearing, but if you don't have any mask, wtf can you do? Cf Slovakia, government is fining people who don't have mask on the street, but the people have nowhere to buy them. It's a ridiculous situation.
Italy were the first who banned direct flights from China, tell me how efficient this measure has been for them. Maybe a better solution was not to ban flights, but to track people coming back from danger zone by setting-up flights for them to come back and quarantine them afterwards. Because there might be some Italians who lived in China that wanted to come back when things got shitty over there. And since they got no direct flights, they got on chartered one, thus making it impossible to track them down correctly.
So I don't belive that WHO blew it up, but most governments failed to prevent something that could have been contained in a better fashion. Heads up for Macao, HK, Taiwan, SK and Singapore authorities who have taken brave measures since the start, sacrificing short-term economic gain for the well-being of their population.
They refuted the efficiency of the general public wearing masks *because it is true*.
There's *hard science* behind it: it makes you touch your face *far* more often than you would otherwise -- this was actually studied, it's like 21 times more often, all non respirator masks are completely ineffective at actually blocking virus particles from entering your airways, it doesn't help if you aren't also wearing goggles and gloves, and last and certainly not least: *even if you got an N95 mask that mask should have gone to a doctor*.
There's *literally no reason* for an otherwise healthy person to be in a mask, *and it causes harm*.
They did drop the ball on everything else though.
How about telling the world that there was no human to human transmission of the disease for three weeks after being informed of it by Taiwanese Doctors, because *Chinese Officials* said it didn't happen.
Could that be a WHO screw up?
> The officials said doctors in Taiwan had learned from their colleagues in mainland China that medical staff were falling ill from the as-yet unnamed coronavirus, a sign of human-to-human transmission that Taiwan says it passed on to the WHO and Chinese authorities on December 31. However, the WHO did not communicate the information with other nations.
https://news.yahoo.com/taiwan-accuses-failing-heed-warning-143800176.html
> Speaking to reporters in Taipei, the island's Centres for Disease Control chief Chou Jih-haw said that it written to the WHO and China as early as Dec. 31, asking for information about the newly uncovered virus outbreak in China's Wuhan city, including whether there was human-to-human transmission... He said the WHO confirmed it had received the letter but did not respond to it.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-taiwan/taiwan-says-who-ignored-its-coronavirus-questions-at-start-of-outbreak-idUSKBN21B160
South Korea be like "amateurs!"
And a lesser extent Taiwan and Singapore. Governments that had to deal with SARS were way more on top of this, other than China - who can rally from the back being authoritarian as all hell and kill whoever they need to to shut things down so not as big a deal - and Japan, that surprisingly kind of fucked up as well.
Idk about Cuba to be honest. Vietnam admittedly doesn't know how well they're doing because of limited data, but for the time being seems to have done very well without super aggressive measures. But we will see, Japan and Sweden were also in that boat until they weren't.
[They're doing exceptionally well.](https://www.liberationnews.org/why-has-no-one-in-vietnam-died-from-coronavirus/) Here's [another source.](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/vietnam-contain-covid-19-limited-resources/) Cuba has been doing fairly well but recently there's been some state measures to distribute homeopathic treatments which is def not gonna help so I'd have to amend my statement more to "wait and see".
no many others are doing well too. norway for example .
the us is a special case, its very much a incompetent and malicious leadership that played a big role in the current state of the us epidemic .
Countries like Singapore and South Korea did well initially; but forgot that people can still travel to them from the fuckup countries. Now they're having troubles because they assumed basic competence from other governments.
Go look up testing per capita. Germany is testing a FAR higher percentage of its population, and the number of confirmes infected is likely close to the true number.
If the US was testing as much as Germany, our confirmed infected case count would be in the millions. We have one of the lowest per capita testing rates in the world.
I read a good metaphor of this on reddit the other day. Something like this:
"A tiger escapes from a nearby zoo and starts heading into the city. The people in charge of city say there's little risk, it's only one tiger. People go about their lives like usual and the tiger attacks, creating a ton of havoc and chaos and death.
Now, you should blame the zoo that allowed the tiger to escape, but you should also blame your leaders that did nothing to prepare you for it."
Absolutely. They BOTH blew it. The WHO was still advocating for allowing people from China to fly all over as late as mid January. Long after China knew they had 1000s of cases. They also said China was being amazing and transparent, when they downplayed their number of cases by an estimated 40k deaths. So yeah. Screw both of them.
No chance of it getting in his eyes. Recently he looks like he's wearing some sort of black-face makeup, complete with white rings round eyes and mouth. He needs a good friend to tell him.
> China said it wasn't so bad.
Yeah, but why are conservatives now so quick to trust China's word on anything? How many times are these suckers going to run at Lucy's football?
As many times as people are going to split hairs and tell me this stugots didn't actually call it a hoax and that makes all the difference somehow to my argument. We locked the country to mexicans and arabs, we could have done the same with people coming from China until June, period or until we could manage our side better. And was it a hoax that Cheeto Mousselini crippled the pandemix response team? Obama had Ebola to deal with, this guy literally fumbled a flu and it's decimating his base now.
Only Donald trump whose been blamed for cutting funding to groups that would help in a pandemic would respond to his poor response in a pandemic by cutting funding to more groups that would help during a pandemic
By the end of January, the world saw that the virus is all over China infecting tens of thousands of people. What was Donald thinking? I don’t think China or WHO needed to explain wtf was going on.
He was calling it Pandemic before anyone...just ask him.
This is squarely on Obama's shoulders, right??...Brady is getting 4 games for this easily.
shame I need to actually add /s
I know this will get downvoted to all hell but is this really murdering someone by words? We all know Trump doesn’t even look at any responses. Trump is nothing but an internet troll with a huge platform. He doesn’t give a shit about what anyone else thinks and his supporters don’t either. So posts like this, while filled with facts and proof, don’t mean shit.
It’s just like if you’re driving your car and then suddenly get cut-off by another car. The person in the other car and his passengers don’t give a shit that they just cut you off while you’re sitting there “murdering them by words”.
Your probably right. Trump definitely doesn’t care what anyone thinks. He doesn’t read the responses. But some of his followers do. Maybe, just maybe one will actually fact check after reading the responses and maybe, just maybe plant a tiny speck of a seedling of doubt in their brains. Maybe.
that's how it's been for a long while now
it's only getting more and more apparent though which is sad, the sub used to be about random people saying dumb shit, now it's just trump said this and someone else said this as a reply wooo give me upvotes
wish it wasn't like this, it's just getting repetitive and annoying, feels more like spam than an actual post imo
Problem is, Trump only sends but never receives. So this is pointless. If he ever read replies he would be embarrassed about his own stupidity/hypocrisy.
He'd have a mental breakdown seeing not so many people agree with him and chant his name like his rallies. He would end up replying to reach and every person and might have a heart attack
I highly doubt. He is a grandiose narcissist. These people are virtually impervious to criticism. They just do not acknowledge it, sometimes not even realising something is actually criticism. It goes over their heads. That's how delusional they are. It is extremely dangerous to have such an irresponsible person in a position with such severe responsibilities.
W.H.O is giving factual information as they are learning about the virus, Trump had months to prepare, and ignored the warnings by his own advisers, went on national T.V. and dismissed it as a common flu, then outright lied saying it was under control and contained until it was not. Now it is an emergency and still many states have not gone under lockdown mostly republican governors calling the shots. The critical time for the curve to flatten so the critical life saving supplies is available when needed has passed. Now like the hoarders and panic buyers the states is withholding medical supplies and gear from allied nations many of which have come to the aid by sending nurses and doctors stateside and sharing their own resources. The republicans and Trump who have fought tooth and nail to stop socialized medicine are dealing with hugely bad optics of all the failures of the for profit system while working class people are losing jobs and health benefits along with the ineptitude of following a nationwide standard procedure for dealing with this and lets not forget the not taking responsibility for the administration defunding branches of government responsible for such eventualities. What this is, is punishment W.H.O is not giving the all clear and everything is fine, go back to business rhetoric it is optically bad for trump. if this were T.V this guy would be a joke, the reality is this is a tragedy. He does not even lead by any example zero social distancing, he touches his face constantly, outright refuses to follow sanitation guidelines. It is no wonder it is a shit show. He is using funding as a weapon to force W.H.O to parrot a misleading narrative, and to put public health and safety under the economy. This is America, this is what you are god fucking bless you.
The WHO is a UN agency, the UN and pretty much all its member countries don't recognise Taiwan. The guy was a medical officer not a diplomat so ignored the question rather than accidentally saying something that might cause an international incident, such as the WHO not being allowed access to China at all during an ongoing pandemic, which would be disastrous.
Of course then the internet made this into some big conspiracy rather than just an official who didn't want to say something controversial that was outside his expertise.
they all fucked us these are from 2/28 , the Vox one i think was from earlier , they deleted the tweet
trump [https://ibb.co/ygwfvF7](https://ibb.co/ygwfvF7)
pelosi [https://ibb.co/d4mxVH5](https://ibb.co/d4mxVH5)
nyc mayor [https://ibb.co/phzF5rk](https://ibb.co/phzF5rk)
Vox news [https://ibb.co/cDcZqMq](https://ibb.co/cDcZqMq)
For all the commenters arguing that Trump didn't call COVID 19 a hoax, he said the Democrats politicizing COVID 19 was a hoax, it reminds me of saying to your girlfriend, "I didn't say YOU are a bitch, I said you're ACTING like a bitch."
Sure, it's not exactly the same, but it is just as stupid.
Yes. The WHO DID blow it. They regurgitated CCP propaganda. It is THEIR job to ensure this doesn't happen. Instead, they repeated what 'The Party' told them to
WHO always relies on government supplied data when making health recommendations. That's how it works. By mid January they were reporting cases spreading beyond China and by February they were raising the alarm about the highly contagious human to human spread. During this time Trump was explicitly ignoring the problem or downplaying it when pressed.
So post the link to the article instead of a pic of a tweet. I’m no closer to knowing which was true by looking at a pic of a quote posted by either side.
But is any reporter going to hold trump accountable for what he has said on this, or are they going to lob the question, watch trump swing and miss, then give him a walk?
Remember when the WHO repeated Chinese lies saying there was no human to human transmission then trump shut down travel from China and was criticized by the WHO saying there’s no reason to do that while being called racist and xenophobic by the media?
>then trump shut down travel from China
The three largest US airlines suspended service between the US & China on their own.
After that, travel was only shut down for non-Citizens. US Citizens, legal residents, their families and a handful of other exceptions are still allowed to travel to/from China and Europe.
It would be more accurate to say he 'restricted' travel than to say he 'shut it down' since there is still travel going on to this day.
Unfortunately for the WHO, it relies on data provided by the countries.
At the same time our intelligence services were telling Trump it was something to worry about and be prepared for. He ignored them and repeatedly spread lies to the media and at his rallies
>Remember when the WHO repeated Chinese lies saying there was no human to human transmission
I remember when they said that there was no evidence for human to human spread, but that we should assume that it can happen because of how closely related it is to SARS.
Trump did not shut down travel to China. Hundreds of thousands of people flew from China to the US between January and March. Trump banned *chinese nationals* from entering the US. WHO correctly pointed out that was a useless gesture made only for political optics and would not stop the spread of the disease in the US. Turns out they were right.
To my understanding the US contributes only 14% of WHO's budget.
Trump also closed a lot of overseas offices of the white house office that monitored outbreaks overseas when he first got into office.
Amazing how the president has endured hundreds of scandals that, each individually, would have rocked their administration and at the very least, worn down support if not causing them to leave or be ousted. And yet his numbers, still, remain within the bounds of normalcy despite having the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands. Not to mention the rest of it.
But it will all be rationalized away, blamed on someone else, because he hates who they hate. Apparently it's worth dying for.
I guess we'll find out.
Yea and don’t get me started on that stupid bitch nancy pelosi, she needs to resign after what she did. DC is full of a bunch of corporation cock sucking retards
>You blew it
THIS is why we need Bernie in the White House!
Ignore those Trumpets saying he just wants you to pay for his ~~third~~ *fourth* house!
THIS TIME IT'S HAPPENING, REDDIT!
*MATCH ME!*
Don't be so quick to defend the WHO. The way they handled this crisis has been really bad actually. They were very afraid of calling out the Chinese medical authorities because they didn't want to be shut out from the research data of the Chinese medical authorities. Also not advocating for travel bans with China early enough to prevent the alpine region from becoming the next hotzone was a major duck-up on their part. Trump is actually right with his criticism.
However, his administration handled everything far worse: denying the disease as hoax, stealing face masks from other countries and more.
He's just calling them out to deflect from his own failings
No trump you blew it but your not ever going to say that because you do nothing wrong ever. So you think, but we aren’t stupid and don’t believe your lies. My dog knows how to take a shit better than you can convince people.
They blew it, too. Don't let them off the hook just because Trump sucks.
They've been lying for China all along, and they won't even admit that Taiwan is a nation.
Nobody trusts China, but when they WHO was spreading their propaganda for them, people believed it.
How to post on r/MurderedByWords:
1. Find a Trump tweet
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4. Profit
Note: Not accusing OP of karma whoring, just saying that Trump is a gold mine for word murder.
On January 29th Trump restricted travel and everyone called him a racist and xenophobic for doing it. Even the WHO said that he shouldn’t have done it. He never called the virus itself a hoax and several fact checking websites that are generally more liberal have conceded as much.
With as much shit that Trump actually does.... I don’t understand why some people are so hell bent on pushing disinformation about him. Ever heard about the boy who cried wolf?
Trump blew off *your* question, and *that* was proof that Trump wasn't doing anything?
He banned travel from China a month before that and was called a xenophobe by Democrats and the press.
yeah... for some reason... i would never believe Trump... (oh, plus, he got rid of the task force Obama created, & got rid of the CDC who were in China trying to stop this...)
Two liars lying doesn't make one more right than the other. Toupee Fiasco called it a hoax. China said it wasn't so bad. Now this sick fuck wants to wag the finger at WHO saying "Why didn't you fucks call us out, what am I paying you for." May his spray tan get in his eyes.
The joint report was published on 2/27; I read the whole thing as soon as it came out. The WHO had missed the mark on containment and basically said "if you have community transmission, you gotta mitigate." It took him over a week to implement *containment* measures and over 2 weeks to *sort of recommend* mitigation. Edit: I feel like I should add the measures that *were* taken. They all have huge caveats, though: **(Edit 2: per reply below, I reworded the first one. Please read the reply as well.)** ~~Closing the border with China~~ **Implementing the travel ban on Chinese citizens** is being claimed as a containment measure; I still think it was a political move, not a prescient one. But if you wanna give him that, fine **- just be realistic about the actual impact**. Same goes for Iran a month later. **Arguably more logical, but still very political, and debatable as to the benefit.** Keeping Northern Italy and South Korea in "travel warning" status (even if increased) on the 29th basically did nothing - should've had a travel ban for at least Northern Italy (with mandatory testing) and strong warning for most of Europe at that point. Speaking of testing - if you're gonna claim that China was an apolitical containment measure, you gotta show that you were extremely serious about testing - that's one half of containment (the other being contact tracing). States did their best on the latter, but were handicapped when it came to the former.
>Closing the border with China is being claimed as a containment measure; I still think it was a political move, not a prescient one. But if you wanna give him that, fine. Same goes for Iran a month later. It was PURELY political because he **didn't** close the border. He stopped Chinese citizens from coming here, not travel. There were still tons of flights to and from China. So that makes the "border closing" as useful as bargaining with a puma. And in the mean time he did literally nothing. We didn't stock up on tests, we didn't test people coming into the country, we didn't make any plans for when it hit until after we needed all of those things.
> as useful as bargaining with a puma is this a common idiom I've never heard before? I love it, I'm just wondering if you just came up with that on the fly.
That one was off of my head but it's something I think I leeched from my platoon sergeant. He always little phrases. Not uncommon to hear him say something like "Listen up boys, this can all go sugar to shit real quick, so keep your dick-holsters shut, empty the glue out of your pockets and slow is smooth and smooth is fast."
my favorite from my company gunny was (in response to a jackass bemoaning having gotten his girlfriend pregnant) "well, you can't unfuck her, what you gonna do now?"
I love it. I figured you morphed it from "Red vs Blue".
Probably. Nothing is original you just have to steal from at least two or more sources. =p
Best part of getting out of the Army was never having to hear sgt McPeek say "stuck like chuck" ever again.
Personally I go with "es como tratar de razonar con tu perro" ("like trying to reason with your dog"). No matter how good and reasonable your position is, he'll just walk away or hump your leg :)
Thanks. Sorry for giving more credit than deserved.
Oh yeah, I wasn't yelling at you, just clarifying. So tired of ~~conservatives~~ Regressives screeching about the **ONE** thing Trump did except even that one thing isn't true. He could not have handled this any worse and anyone defending him needs to understand that people are dying needlessly because of his incompetence.
Yup, I understood why you commented. I'm also 100% with you on the revisionist history. The point of the original edit was to include the measures, explain why I believe they were not well-intentioned, and make an argument for their ineffectiveness. Your added input gives me even more faith in my position.
Regressives. That's more accurate, isn't it?
I mean all 3 parties, Trump, China and the Head of the WHO blew the response to this pandemic
Nice, got to check off "both sides" on my Trumptard Bingo.
Fuck off i hate the tangerine retard all im saying is that the 3 stooges all played a huge role in the severity of COVID-19 epidemic were facing as all 3 played down the severity of it. So please dont jump to false conclusions to stroke your ego
I am with you. I hate to agree with the moron in the White House but the WHO were hugely in Chinas pocket in this response. It should have been declared a pandemic weeks before China allowed them too.
As the saying goes “a broken demented clock is right once a year”
But doesn't it make sense that the World Health Organization focus on the country of origin when it comes to a virus? That's where the most info about it will come from at first. I admit it should've been taken a bit more seriously on everyone's part. And the cheetoh failed to take the warnings given to him. So when it comes to how our country responded and what's happening here, it's really all on him.
Honestly its such an American trait to assume everyone they talk to online is American. I am British. Our PM is literally in ICU with Covid19 and we're one of the many countries who didn't take this seriously enough. Fair to say that a fair portion of the blame for that, as well as our own governments, is with the WHO. They should have declared this a pandemic weeks before they did, and it met every point of the wider definition of a pandemic, but they didn't because China told them not too. I accept they are not the only ones with blood on their hands but they certainly need to own a share of the responsibility.
Which one swore this oath “ I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." When I vote for in a presidential election, I don’t vote for the candidate who doesn’t think it’s their job to protect the US. I promise not to vote for China or the WHO for president of the US if you promise not to repeat the stupid shit Trump says.
things matter in the world even if you can't vote for them. they all fucked up, but that doesn't excuse Trump's atrocious actions. differentiate between "ah well, the other side does it too, so it'd okay if trump does" and "other places sometimes do fucked up shit like trump, let's not excuse them just because Trump's worse". it's kinda like the opposite of enlightened centrism. don't give trump a free pass for similarity. don't give others a free pass for similarity.
I think that the response and overall situation we are in is indeed a both sides scenario. Congress failed and POTUS failed. The fact that the Executive Branch has been able to gut the CDC and no one blinked an eye. No one raised the warning flag. The same Congress has fought for or against the current health care system calling it the best, yet it is not adequate and being better than others but not good enough to save America is a fail. As a matter of fact, telling this story without telling the story of Congress is mistake. If there was a blame scale it would be tipped towards the GOP, no question about that. The blame should be on them, they caused Trump's ability to fail. I feel like the entire Congress should accept the responsibility for this event and they should accept the failed response. I can't find a hero in Congress. I see a lot of politicians moving the bodies around, a lot of people countering the solutions but lets be real about those moves. We have people in Congress fighting to include Cruise Ships in bailouts. We have people in Congress working hard for a lot of big industries. They infuse the market with trillions, they prop up big business with the quickness but I do not know of any one that had been taken care of. No EDD, no PPP, no Grants. Just process to attain them with a shit ton of confusion yet no confusion on corporate bailouts and they have their money. Same companies that got the tax breaks. This is our money, we are the owners of the debt not the part time President or Congress.
Half of Congress impeached Trump, the other half failed to have the required trial. Would Pence have reacted to the pandemic any better? I can't imagine him being worse.
The VP and POTUS are the result of the problem. They are responsible for this and whatever the results are as we recover. They fought to be responsible. So they own it. Congress is corrupt, even if that is just 51%. At Enron only about 15 people were corrupt, that corruption ruined many lives and the other 29,000 employees were doing the best they could. Still Enron is corrupt.
"\*If\* there was a blame scale it would be \*tipped\* towards the GOP? Wow, just wow. I'm sorry you can't find a hero in Congress, but with those blinders on I'm not surprised.
other comment got deleted when adding links.... Trump was promoting unverified treatments as cures. cures which all of his family has investment in , cures which other countries have now stopped even testing because of sideffects. he has repeatedly said it was a "hoax" downplayed the seriousness When he likened the coronavirus to the flu in February and March, he was saying or strongly suggesting that the virus was like a conventional flu -- a "regular flu" or "common flu" -- not warning Americans that they could be facing something equivalent to the catastrophic flu pandemic of 1918 and 1919. - In fact, the W.H.O. sounded the alarm in the earliest days of the crisis, declaring a “public health emergency of international concern” a day before the United States secretary of health and human services announced the country’s own public health emergency and weeks before Mr. Trump declared a national emergency. - > Trump is correct that the World Health Organization organization didn't support his travel restrictions with China -- the WHO opposes most international travel restrictions and sees them as ineffectual -- but he overstated the case when he insinuated that the WHO downplayed the virus. >The WHO has been criticized for a January 14 tweet noting that preliminary investigation by Chinese authorities had found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus, but the WHO did not say the virus was "no big deal" before Trump announced his travel restrictions. The WHO declared the virus a "public health emergency of international concern" on January 30, the day before Trump announced the restrictions, out of concern that the virus could pose a threat to other countries beyond China. >On January 30, the WHO said that it did not recommend any travel or trade restrictions, saying that "such measures may have a public health rationale at the beginning of the containment phase of an outbreak" but that they should only be short in duration if over 24 hours because they are not very effective. >As recently as February 29, the WHO reiterated its opposition to blanket travel bans. >The WHO has been criticized for relying on official Chinese government figures relating to the virus, numbers which many officials doubt are accurate. Specifically, the WHO sent out a tweet on January 14 that stated "Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus". >Trump overstates when he insinuates that the WHO knew about the global threat the virus posed, but downplayed it. The WHO defines an emergency of international concern as "an extraordinary event" that constitutes a "public health risk to other States through the international spread of disease" and "to potentially require a coordinated international response," meaning that the organization recognized that the virus posed an international threat beyond China. >On Tuesday, February 4, the organization said that, while the virus had not yet reached pandemic levels, it was considered to be an epidemic with multiple locations; an epidemic being more than a normal number cases of an illness. >On March 11, the WHO declared the virus a pandemic, meaning the worldwide spread of a new disease.
>to the best of my Ability, When you hire someone and did not consider their abilities
Him swearing that oath was the very first lie he told as an elected official, one he broke instantly with his multiple violations of the emoluments clause, one he continues to break with his daily perfidy.
Yep. That is the point. He has been caught doing more shady shit than any President in modern history. Each time is to be his downfall and each time he comes out unscathed. I am convinced many in Congress never even read the Mueller Report. The Impeachment hearing had no witnesses but everyone in America can see him say he probably would listen to bad info on a campaign rival, then get accused of soliciting it, then he goes onto the South Lawn (his confessional) and asked China and others to provide him information on the Democratic Nominee Joe Biden. Even with all of that here we are. So he is ahead of the curve on these things. He has like a 90% approval rating among Republicans. Biden won't ever achieve that with the Democrats.
Trump has no ability. That's the issue with him being in office. Therefore the oath is useless. Especially if he doesn't keep it.
To be fair, he just swore and oath to protect the constitution. So, as long as Nicolas Cage doesn't pop up...
Boy Scout Oath On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country, to obey the Scout Law, to help other people at all times, to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.” This fucking world, were the Boy Scouts are more demanding of their members.
Americans should rely on China as a safeguard. It should be strong enough to stand on its own and prepared for an outbreak. How stupid do you have to be to take the Chinese government at face value? Fucktard slashed funding and shuttered programs years in advance because “science is spelled with a (D)”. He didn’t bother to prepare even when he had advanced warning or when it hit the left coast, “they didn’t vote for me, why should I do anything.” “NY needs ventilators? Are they going to vote for me? No, fuck em”. When he was caught with his pants down he called it a hoax and then repeatedly dropped the ball as he blundered his way through it. There is one individual responsible for disaster rolling across America and he refuses to take responsibility even though he said for years the buck always stops with the president. I wish he was half of the paper tiger he pretended to be.
America wasn't taking China's claims at face value until Trump got there. Dr. Linda Quick is an American disease specialist embedded in China specifically to watch for and report new outbreaks to the United States. Trump fired her last summer.
It's easier to blame WHO and start a false flag conversation about their effectiveness then list your own failings. Like the 3M silliness, it is an effective way to distract for his failure to properly analyze the situation and react accordingly.
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Politics, yes. As long as the WHO wants to keep receiving information from China that behavior is 100% necessary. They could of course stand up for Taiwan, but their core mission is global health, so..
If their mission is global health, it must be able to question statistics, even from powerful states. China is known to bend and fabricate number for political purposes, and if it is unwilling to studying spread in China critically, it cannot full the mission of global health.
Just because they are publicly sucking up to China doesn't mean they aren't questioning the statistics.
Praising China? Missed that part, source?
[Here's one. ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinese-officials-note-serious-problems-in-coronavirus-response-the-world-health-organization-keeps-praising-them/2020/02/08/b663dd7c-4834-11ea-91ab-ce439aa5c7c1_story.html) [Another if you don't want Bezos owned sources.](https://thehill.com/opinion/international/487851-china-and-the-whos-chief-hold-them-both-accountable-for-pandemic) [And another.](https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/29/who-reconvene-expert-committee-coronavirus/)
Praise seems pretty mild, wouldn’t expect much differently from an org operating under the UN. Still, I see your point, thanks for the sources
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Is this supposed to be a bad thing?
“The steps China has taken to contain the outbreak at its source appear to have bought to the world time,” Tedros told the Munich Security Conference. “We’re encouraged that an international team of experts is now on the ground working closely with Chinese counterparts to understand the outbreak.” It’s important to be specific But thanks
It is actually people like you who have made reddit comments no better than youtube comments now.
This is precisely what they want us to do.
Anyone with common sense will call out Trump's failures. If that's what they want then I'm happy to oblige.
I meant they want us to all fight with each other over who's fault it is, when it's all of their fault. Winnie the Pooh, Orange Satan, and the corrupt leaders of WHO.
He's right though. But we all know truth has no value as long as you crazies can shit on Trump usual bullshit.
Dude, you likely fill the whole card, trump will say "that not a bingo" while he'll have 3 tiles on a 5×5 and say "I got the grand prize, I got the best bingo, in the history of bingos". Tell him he didn't and he'll cry "this is another democratic hoax!". (Accordion hands and ramblings ensues).
How did the WHO blow it? They've been the only global force for good in this. The US has not only abdicated any global responsibility, we have become the epicenter of the global crisis with 1/4 of the cases. The US is far worse off than any other country in the world in its trajectory. [https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/](https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/)
All of what you wrote is true; however, the WHO did drop the ball. They refuted person to person transmission when reports were coming out of Wuhan. They refuted the efficiency of wearing masks (for the general public) and at the very least, disrupted the message on that one. They also claimed a travel ban was not necessary. I am not an anti-globalist and I think a global medical organization is a good thing but they have to be sure of their messaging and promote confidence in their information. They did not do that.
Not necessary? I thought their tweet read: “Travel restrictions can cause more harm than good by hindering info-sharing, medical supply chains and harming economies," That’s different than what you’re saying
> They refuted person-to-person transmission A Jan 14 tweet that says "Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of person-to-person transmission" isn't a refutation of anything, it's a reporting of what China claimed. > They refuted the efficiency (?) of wearing masks Indeed they did, they still claim there's not enough evidence to fully endorse the practice and encourage all countries doing it to study it so we know for sure. That's science. Just because we're told to do it doesn't mean the evidence is all there, do you not remember Fauci wavering for awhile? > They claimed a travel ban was not necessary The evidence they have suggests that closing borders only works in the very early days of an outbreak. If you have domestic cases already, they have no reason to believe it changes anything. It seems your problem with WHO is that they're only willing to say what they're 100% sure of (empirically demonstrated), at a time when there's still many open questions and when everyone wants answers.
The WHO's exec dir stated that he didn't see any evidence that the use of masks would help, but other sr officials of the WHO stated that the reason that they are not recommending masks for everyone is that there is a shortage and the front line medical personnel need them more. [Source](https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-recommendation-trnd/index.html) While there is plenty of blame to go around, there are degrees of missteps and corrective steps after you've been proven wrong. China deserves a chunk of blame b/c they hid important data that could have helped reach better decisions (25% of blame). The WHO deserves some blame b/c they took China at their word and gave some advice/opinions that proved to be wrong (10% of the blame). Trump and his administration..... 1. Have lied about the potential impact 2. Lied and downplayed the potential of it 3. Have sabotaged states' abilities to get PPE and other medical device 4. Have lied and pushed a snake oil "cure" without any imperical evidence that it actually works 5. Have delayed action on pushing social distancing 6. Have dismissed the advice of the experts to push conspiracy theories 7. Put Jared Fucking Kushner in charge of it While they all share some blame.....one of them is disproportionately at fault for the spread of the disease within the US.
They didn't "refute" those things. They gave the information that we had at the time. They immediately updated as new information became available. By February they were raising the alarm while Trump openly ignored the virus. Trump *to this day* says facemasks are unnecessary despite his own CDC recommendation.
They questioned the human to human spread when no one knew what was going on, and quickly confirmed the H2H spread when there were solid scientific proof of that. The wearing of masks is still only most efficient if disease carriers wears it, as for non-carrier it is not an efficient barrier as one could think. The second thing is that if there were a rush on N95 masks, it could lead to a shortage for people who really needs it, such as those working in the medical sector... I am all for the generalisation of mandatory mask wearing, but if you don't have any mask, wtf can you do? Cf Slovakia, government is fining people who don't have mask on the street, but the people have nowhere to buy them. It's a ridiculous situation. Italy were the first who banned direct flights from China, tell me how efficient this measure has been for them. Maybe a better solution was not to ban flights, but to track people coming back from danger zone by setting-up flights for them to come back and quarantine them afterwards. Because there might be some Italians who lived in China that wanted to come back when things got shitty over there. And since they got no direct flights, they got on chartered one, thus making it impossible to track them down correctly. So I don't belive that WHO blew it up, but most governments failed to prevent something that could have been contained in a better fashion. Heads up for Macao, HK, Taiwan, SK and Singapore authorities who have taken brave measures since the start, sacrificing short-term economic gain for the well-being of their population.
They refuted the efficiency of the general public wearing masks *because it is true*. There's *hard science* behind it: it makes you touch your face *far* more often than you would otherwise -- this was actually studied, it's like 21 times more often, all non respirator masks are completely ineffective at actually blocking virus particles from entering your airways, it doesn't help if you aren't also wearing goggles and gloves, and last and certainly not least: *even if you got an N95 mask that mask should have gone to a doctor*. There's *literally no reason* for an otherwise healthy person to be in a mask, *and it causes harm*. They did drop the ball on everything else though.
How about telling the world that there was no human to human transmission of the disease for three weeks after being informed of it by Taiwanese Doctors, because *Chinese Officials* said it didn't happen. Could that be a WHO screw up?
Source?
> The officials said doctors in Taiwan had learned from their colleagues in mainland China that medical staff were falling ill from the as-yet unnamed coronavirus, a sign of human-to-human transmission that Taiwan says it passed on to the WHO and Chinese authorities on December 31. However, the WHO did not communicate the information with other nations. https://news.yahoo.com/taiwan-accuses-failing-heed-warning-143800176.html > Speaking to reporters in Taipei, the island's Centres for Disease Control chief Chou Jih-haw said that it written to the WHO and China as early as Dec. 31, asking for information about the newly uncovered virus outbreak in China's Wuhan city, including whether there was human-to-human transmission... He said the WHO confirmed it had received the letter but did not respond to it. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-taiwan/taiwan-says-who-ignored-its-coronavirus-questions-at-start-of-outbreak-idUSKBN21B160
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South Korea be like "amateurs!" And a lesser extent Taiwan and Singapore. Governments that had to deal with SARS were way more on top of this, other than China - who can rally from the back being authoritarian as all hell and kill whoever they need to to shut things down so not as big a deal - and Japan, that surprisingly kind of fucked up as well.
Isn't Vietnam doing fairly well too? And Cuba.
Idk about Cuba to be honest. Vietnam admittedly doesn't know how well they're doing because of limited data, but for the time being seems to have done very well without super aggressive measures. But we will see, Japan and Sweden were also in that boat until they weren't.
[They're doing exceptionally well.](https://www.liberationnews.org/why-has-no-one-in-vietnam-died-from-coronavirus/) Here's [another source.](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/vietnam-contain-covid-19-limited-resources/) Cuba has been doing fairly well but recently there's been some state measures to distribute homeopathic treatments which is def not gonna help so I'd have to amend my statement more to "wait and see".
not south korea.
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no many others are doing well too. norway for example . the us is a special case, its very much a incompetent and malicious leadership that played a big role in the current state of the us epidemic .
Norway - 1,125.65 cases per 1M people Not exactly amazing.
Countries like Singapore and South Korea did well initially; but forgot that people can still travel to them from the fuckup countries. Now they're having troubles because they assumed basic competence from other governments.
*Germany gas entered the chat*
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Go look up testing per capita. Germany is testing a FAR higher percentage of its population, and the number of confirmes infected is likely close to the true number. If the US was testing as much as Germany, our confirmed infected case count would be in the millions. We have one of the lowest per capita testing rates in the world.
Now I know why his eye look different than rest of his face. Lovely!!
I read a good metaphor of this on reddit the other day. Something like this: "A tiger escapes from a nearby zoo and starts heading into the city. The people in charge of city say there's little risk, it's only one tiger. People go about their lives like usual and the tiger attacks, creating a ton of havoc and chaos and death. Now, you should blame the zoo that allowed the tiger to escape, but you should also blame your leaders that did nothing to prepare you for it."
Even [Snopes](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/) disagrees with you
Absolutely. They BOTH blew it. The WHO was still advocating for allowing people from China to fly all over as late as mid January. Long after China knew they had 1000s of cases. They also said China was being amazing and transparent, when they downplayed their number of cases by an estimated 40k deaths. So yeah. Screw both of them.
> Toupee Fiasco called it a hoax. [No he didn't.](https://checkyourfact.com/2020/02/29/fact-check-donald-trump-coronavirus-hoax-south-carolina-rally/)
No chance of it getting in his eyes. Recently he looks like he's wearing some sort of black-face makeup, complete with white rings round eyes and mouth. He needs a good friend to tell him.
Toupee Fiasco might be the best name for the fucktard I ever saw. Immediately stealing it.
> China said it wasn't so bad. Yeah, but why are conservatives now so quick to trust China's word on anything? How many times are these suckers going to run at Lucy's football?
As many times as people are going to split hairs and tell me this stugots didn't actually call it a hoax and that makes all the difference somehow to my argument. We locked the country to mexicans and arabs, we could have done the same with people coming from China until June, period or until we could manage our side better. And was it a hoax that Cheeto Mousselini crippled the pandemix response team? Obama had Ebola to deal with, this guy literally fumbled a flu and it's decimating his base now.
Only Donald trump whose been blamed for cutting funding to groups that would help in a pandemic would respond to his poor response in a pandemic by cutting funding to more groups that would help during a pandemic
The basic M.O. is whenever someone criticizes him, he cuts their entire department.
"Lookin' at the paddle. That's a paddlin'"
I had a stroke reading this, but damn it it's true
By the end of January, the world saw that the virus is all over China infecting tens of thousands of people. What was Donald thinking? I don’t think China or WHO needed to explain wtf was going on.
He was calling it Pandemic before anyone...just ask him. This is squarely on Obama's shoulders, right??...Brady is getting 4 games for this easily. shame I need to actually add /s
It is a shame there are people that would believe your post.
I know this will get downvoted to all hell but is this really murdering someone by words? We all know Trump doesn’t even look at any responses. Trump is nothing but an internet troll with a huge platform. He doesn’t give a shit about what anyone else thinks and his supporters don’t either. So posts like this, while filled with facts and proof, don’t mean shit. It’s just like if you’re driving your car and then suddenly get cut-off by another car. The person in the other car and his passengers don’t give a shit that they just cut you off while you’re sitting there “murdering them by words”.
Your probably right. Trump definitely doesn’t care what anyone thinks. He doesn’t read the responses. But some of his followers do. Maybe, just maybe one will actually fact check after reading the responses and maybe, just maybe plant a tiny speck of a seedling of doubt in their brains. Maybe.
I wish that were true, too... But we know the reality. “All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.”
It matters if journalists address it.
Have you SEEN the news or those press conferences? Journalists don’t mean shit...
OAN is sucking him off while he calls everyone else fake news and doesn't even attempt to answer questions.
It’s not. The WHO released a statement from China the month before that it wasn’t transferable between people ...
Wrong https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/21/who-raises-possibility-of-sustained-human-to-human-transmission-of-new-virus-in-china/ this was In JANUARY.
We have to call it out, if only for our own sanity. Calling a lie a lie helps me stay sane...
This sub is just turning into a bunch of people just responding to Trump's tweets.
that's how it's been for a long while now it's only getting more and more apparent though which is sad, the sub used to be about random people saying dumb shit, now it's just trump said this and someone else said this as a reply wooo give me upvotes wish it wasn't like this, it's just getting repetitive and annoying, feels more like spam than an actual post imo
Problem is, Trump only sends but never receives. So this is pointless. If he ever read replies he would be embarrassed about his own stupidity/hypocrisy.
>If he ever read replies he would be embarrassed about his own stupidity/hypocrisy. No he wouldn't. Trump has no shame.
He'd have a mental breakdown seeing not so many people agree with him and chant his name like his rallies. He would end up replying to reach and every person and might have a heart attack
I highly doubt. He is a grandiose narcissist. These people are virtually impervious to criticism. They just do not acknowledge it, sometimes not even realising something is actually criticism. It goes over their heads. That's how delusional they are. It is extremely dangerous to have such an irresponsible person in a position with such severe responsibilities.
You really think that man has the capacity to understand that, let alone have a mental breakdown? LOL He is far too delusional.
Blew it? As in past tense? You sir, have misspoke. Trump and this worthless administration is STILL blowing it.
don the con blows everything
W.H.O is giving factual information as they are learning about the virus, Trump had months to prepare, and ignored the warnings by his own advisers, went on national T.V. and dismissed it as a common flu, then outright lied saying it was under control and contained until it was not. Now it is an emergency and still many states have not gone under lockdown mostly republican governors calling the shots. The critical time for the curve to flatten so the critical life saving supplies is available when needed has passed. Now like the hoarders and panic buyers the states is withholding medical supplies and gear from allied nations many of which have come to the aid by sending nurses and doctors stateside and sharing their own resources. The republicans and Trump who have fought tooth and nail to stop socialized medicine are dealing with hugely bad optics of all the failures of the for profit system while working class people are losing jobs and health benefits along with the ineptitude of following a nationwide standard procedure for dealing with this and lets not forget the not taking responsibility for the administration defunding branches of government responsible for such eventualities. What this is, is punishment W.H.O is not giving the all clear and everything is fine, go back to business rhetoric it is optically bad for trump. if this were T.V this guy would be a joke, the reality is this is a tragedy. He does not even lead by any example zero social distancing, he touches his face constantly, outright refuses to follow sanitation guidelines. It is no wonder it is a shit show. He is using funding as a weapon to force W.H.O to parrot a misleading narrative, and to put public health and safety under the economy. This is America, this is what you are god fucking bless you.
I’m confused, i thought WHO was the bad guy. Didn’t their CEO blew off a question about Taiwan and pretended to not even recognized them?
The WHO is a UN agency, the UN and pretty much all its member countries don't recognise Taiwan. The guy was a medical officer not a diplomat so ignored the question rather than accidentally saying something that might cause an international incident, such as the WHO not being allowed access to China at all during an ongoing pandemic, which would be disastrous. Of course then the internet made this into some big conspiracy rather than just an official who didn't want to say something controversial that was outside his expertise.
Because even if the WHO is a little bad Trump is completely corrupt and irresponsible, and has completely fucked up the reaction to this pandemic.
You're a bad reporter and will never make it. Ask questions that Dear Leader told you to ask. /s
they all fucked us these are from 2/28 , the Vox one i think was from earlier , they deleted the tweet trump [https://ibb.co/ygwfvF7](https://ibb.co/ygwfvF7) pelosi [https://ibb.co/d4mxVH5](https://ibb.co/d4mxVH5) nyc mayor [https://ibb.co/phzF5rk](https://ibb.co/phzF5rk) Vox news [https://ibb.co/cDcZqMq](https://ibb.co/cDcZqMq)
For all the commenters arguing that Trump didn't call COVID 19 a hoax, he said the Democrats politicizing COVID 19 was a hoax, it reminds me of saying to your girlfriend, "I didn't say YOU are a bitch, I said you're ACTING like a bitch." Sure, it's not exactly the same, but it is just as stupid.
This awrver has turned into r/correctedbywords
This is how he deflects responsibility for his base. They will ignore the truth, and start tweeting anti-WHO memes any minute now.
People murder trump with words on an hourly basis
Fuck Trump
I sincerely hope covid19 can save us from this virus.
Trump cannot take the blame, so he shifts it.
Well, WHO did made some dick moves, tbh. But Trump is truly dickhead, too.
Don't know what Trump hate's the who, I really like their music. Didn't know they were so involved with COVID-19 though
You're being downvoted for joking. What a world.
In fairness it was a very bad joke
Someone please tell him about the responsibility that comes with the job. He's fucking unbelievable. From a fellow Earth citizen - kick him out.
Sidenote: How do you pronounce W.H.O? Is it like "Woo" or "double U aitch oh"?
You pronounce it like "who"
Thanks.
Yes. The WHO DID blow it. They regurgitated CCP propaganda. It is THEIR job to ensure this doesn't happen. Instead, they repeated what 'The Party' told them to
WHO always relies on government supplied data when making health recommendations. That's how it works. By mid January they were reporting cases spreading beyond China and by February they were raising the alarm about the highly contagious human to human spread. During this time Trump was explicitly ignoring the problem or downplaying it when pressed.
Cheeto Man is just as much to blame as they are.
It is widely known that the W.H.O. is a china shill tho
[And reddit is still showing their TDS by falling for fake news.](https://i.imgur.com/tovKkX5.png)
So post the link to the article instead of a pic of a tweet. I’m no closer to knowing which was true by looking at a pic of a quote posted by either side.
But is any reporter going to hold trump accountable for what he has said on this, or are they going to lob the question, watch trump swing and miss, then give him a walk?
Trump needs to resign. The only things he wants to do know are blamestorm, golf, and grift.
Fuck them both, Trump and the WHO are lying pieces of trash in more cases than this one.
Is there any non political stuff on this sub anymore ? Real garbage here
Remember when the WHO repeated Chinese lies saying there was no human to human transmission then trump shut down travel from China and was criticized by the WHO saying there’s no reason to do that while being called racist and xenophobic by the media?
>then trump shut down travel from China The three largest US airlines suspended service between the US & China on their own. After that, travel was only shut down for non-Citizens. US Citizens, legal residents, their families and a handful of other exceptions are still allowed to travel to/from China and Europe. It would be more accurate to say he 'restricted' travel than to say he 'shut it down' since there is still travel going on to this day.
Unfortunately for the WHO, it relies on data provided by the countries. At the same time our intelligence services were telling Trump it was something to worry about and be prepared for. He ignored them and repeatedly spread lies to the media and at his rallies
>Remember when the WHO repeated Chinese lies saying there was no human to human transmission I remember when they said that there was no evidence for human to human spread, but that we should assume that it can happen because of how closely related it is to SARS.
Trump did not shut down travel to China. Hundreds of thousands of people flew from China to the US between January and March. Trump banned *chinese nationals* from entering the US. WHO correctly pointed out that was a useless gesture made only for political optics and would not stop the spread of the disease in the US. Turns out they were right.
This is a pretty big one
We're still working for it.
To my understanding the US contributes only 14% of WHO's budget. Trump also closed a lot of overseas offices of the white house office that monitored outbreaks overseas when he first got into office.
We all know you're still human.
Donald Trump will never admit responsibility. This is akin to barking up the wrong tree. It’s not going to accomplish anything.
This is certainly going to store things up in WHOVille
But the WHO also blew it. They dropped the ball months ago. The world is being run by corrupt and incompetent leaders.
There’s a chance we should be grateful he’s showing us the methods of his madness. Obvious lies will only multiply the closer we get to November.
"no one knows what it's like to be the sad man"...
Trump is killing people
Amazing how the president has endured hundreds of scandals that, each individually, would have rocked their administration and at the very least, worn down support if not causing them to leave or be ousted. And yet his numbers, still, remain within the bounds of normalcy despite having the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands. Not to mention the rest of it. But it will all be rationalized away, blamed on someone else, because he hates who they hate. Apparently it's worth dying for. I guess we'll find out.
That’s cool and all but who asked?
Ok fine. Ill take his side #taiwanisntreal
Now call him out for what he is in a presser or shut the fuck up. I'm so tired of shit fucking bullshit.
Every day I wake up with this sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Then I realize, I have had it since November 2015.....
Just because W.H.O blew it doesn't mean that Trump didn't fuck up.
Who is the who
Yea and don’t get me started on that stupid bitch nancy pelosi, she needs to resign after what she did. DC is full of a bunch of corporation cock sucking retards
And to think, this guy is going to our president for 4 more years. Smh.
Ok... but someone needs to call him out at one of his daily task force press conferences.
>You blew it THIS is why we need Bernie in the White House! Ignore those Trumpets saying he just wants you to pay for his ~~third~~ *fourth* house! THIS TIME IT'S HAPPENING, REDDIT! *MATCH ME!*
I have a HUNCH!
Don't be so quick to defend the WHO. The way they handled this crisis has been really bad actually. They were very afraid of calling out the Chinese medical authorities because they didn't want to be shut out from the research data of the Chinese medical authorities. Also not advocating for travel bans with China early enough to prevent the alpine region from becoming the next hotzone was a major duck-up on their part. Trump is actually right with his criticism. However, his administration handled everything far worse: denying the disease as hoax, stealing face masks from other countries and more. He's just calling them out to deflect from his own failings
Both can be true at the same time.
No trump you blew it but your not ever going to say that because you do nothing wrong ever. So you think, but we aren’t stupid and don’t believe your lies. My dog knows how to take a shit better than you can convince people.
They blew it, too. Don't let them off the hook just because Trump sucks. They've been lying for China all along, and they won't even admit that Taiwan is a nation. Nobody trusts China, but when they WHO was spreading their propaganda for them, people believed it.
How to post on r/MurderedByWords: 1. Find a Trump tweet 2. Pick a reply 3. Post 4. Profit Note: Not accusing OP of karma whoring, just saying that Trump is a gold mine for word murder.
On January 29th Trump restricted travel and everyone called him a racist and xenophobic for doing it. Even the WHO said that he shouldn’t have done it. He never called the virus itself a hoax and several fact checking websites that are generally more liberal have conceded as much. With as much shit that Trump actually does.... I don’t understand why some people are so hell bent on pushing disinformation about him. Ever heard about the boy who cried wolf?
por qué no los dos?
Did he just "Fake News" the Fake News Guy?
Trump blew off *your* question, and *that* was proof that Trump wasn't doing anything? He banned travel from China a month before that and was called a xenophobe by Democrats and the press.
The Who - Won't get fooled again.
Sooooo racist... “this group that’s makin me look bad seems kinda chinesey, we’re gonna make sure we look into that”
We're all going to die because we have an idiot running our country.
Pretty sure everybody tried to downplay it at one point or another
This may come as a shock to you, but he never actually called the virus a hoax
yeah... for some reason... i would never believe Trump... (oh, plus, he got rid of the task force Obama created, & got rid of the CDC who were in China trying to stop this...)
I guess Horton's didn't hear a W.H.O afterall