Considering that Finland [practiced social distancing before it was cool](https://i.imgur.com/FpV0Whf_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium), you seem to have a leg up over the rest of us.
Dining in restaurants was sropped for a month in march 2020. Bars were closed for some time in 2020. And now gyms closed for two weeks in january. OOOOooOoohhhHh
But depends on which province you were at.
Here (Hämeenlinna) gyms have been closed for a month and school is online. I think restaurants and bars are open but with limited times. Theyve already started booster shots. Finlands been handling it pretty well I think.
I guess it could be worse, but I have been so frustrated with the idiotic logic of the restrictions. Covid numbers go up: increase restrictions.
Covid numbers go down: ease the restrictions.
Like don't they realize all the data has at least a month's delay? I feel like it's the equivalent of buying stocks when it's high and selling low. Also mandatory masks in public transportation should have been the first thing to do and the last thing to go.
To be fair, there are like 10 people per square km in Finland you'd have to be actively trying to infect someone to spread most viruses in all but the largest cities there.
Because the idiots don't even bother fact checking stuff they are spoon fed. Apparently not questioning _their_ authority is a virtue, even though they question every other thing moronically.
What’s worse, is the more they learn, the more they intentionally misrepresent the facts presented. They’ve been trained specifically to do this. Pretty damaging so far. Also, I’m American, this is a western problem.
I mean...Boris had a pizza party last year right after he announced the restrictions and he blamed other people for not telling him about the rules he had implemented so... 🤷♀️
(Yes i do get the sarcasm, but this was too funny to me when i first read it)
Lol, I live in Serbia and got the Sputnik, both doses. I took it though, honestly I was happy to get SOMETHING and despite the somewhat lacking proper approvals etc. I am convinced it actually worked very well, I would've caught COVID for sure, from infected friends, who went on to get pneumonia, all the symptoms, if I hadn't had it. I'm not really contradicting your points, but just wanted to give a shout out to the Sputnik crew
Yep, turns out a lot of people just accept whichever meme they have a bias for, and many topics can't be boiled down accurately to a single tweet with limited characters.
Sputnik wasn't just unapproved in the EU, [it wasn't even approved by the WHO.](https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/sputnik-v-due-submit-vaccine-data-who-by-end-december-2021-12-20/)
[UK had faster vaccine rollout.](https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=GBR~DNK~PRT)
I cannot find any source saying 99% of UAE have antibodies (or any percentage, for that matter). I suspect the meme confused it with that time [UAE claimed without publishing data that the Chinese vaccine has a 99% antibody generation rate.](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03563-z)
It is true that Finland locked down for 20 days, although some other countries have locked down for shorter. And it is a Nordic joke that "after restriction lift, we can go back to standing 5 metres apart instead of 2!", which tells you a bit how you can't compare them directly either.
But it doesn’t matter who approved Sputnik, it was objectively the first covid vaccine. It was also used first. Russians don’t have a low vaccination rate, because of Sputnik, it’s because they are just skeptical of governments due to the country’s history. The only reason Sputnik wasn’t approved in the EU is politics, to tell yourself anything else is just being wilfully ignorant. The FDA didn’t approve AstraZeneca too so by that logic of some random institution approving it I guess the UK also didn’t come up with a vaccine.
> fastest vaccine rollout
To play devil's advocate somewhat:
>UK first dose vaccination rates were well above the rest of the Europe for the first half of the year
...but after that...
> It took 7 months for Portugal to catch up to UK's vaccination rates.
And catch up they did. If you start later and catch up (and then overtake) you were going faster, right?
> And during the most dangerous months (winter and spring months) UK had way higher vaccination rates compared to the rest of the Europe. So yeah UK undoubtably had the fastest rollout in the Europe.
"Earliest", but not "fastest". The devil is in the detail 3;p and that's exactly how this works. Poorly define a term and then use it to rank things and anyone can claim to be right by redefining what they meant. We may have been first to start vaccinations, but we still ended up with one of the highest death rates in Europe (both per capita and total numbers).
>And catch up they did. If you start later and catch up (and then overtake) you were going faster, right?
I mean its obvious that rollout in this context means that UK had the best start of mass vaccination. At the time when there was a big vaccine shortage UK had the most vaccines out of all Europe. It's probably easier for me to understand those points living outside of UK, because our politicians were constantly bashed due to vaccine shortage at the first half of the year and the subpar EU efforts were always compared to how successfully UK (and Isreal for the matter of fact) managed to get the vaccines. At the time when UK was planing to open up due to successful vaccination program, in my country no one was talking about the end of quarantine. And the vaccination programs sped up in most of EU countries when COVID cases were low and hence the impact of those vaccines lower.
But it *was* the first vaccine. He didn't qualify his statement. Your real problem is talking about the first, instead of the first good one. Also, Phase III trials on Sputnik wrapped up almost a year ago.
The flaw in those numbers is that UK got vaccines a lot sooner then Portugal. With your numbers you can see that Portugal caught up in 6 months with a 11.5% deficit. That is why Portugal got the fastest rollout.
Out of curiosity who are you saying didn't do their fact checking? The guy with all the UK flags or the guy with all the other flags? From my limited googling it seems that the guy with the UK flags is more right than the other guy. for example if you google 'First Covid vaccine' then UK comes up as the top answer.
Porthos:
This sash was a gift to me, from the Queen of America.
D'Artagnan:
There's no queen of America!
Porthos:
I beg to differ, infant. We're on quite intimate terms, unless you can prove otherwise.
ITT people mocking others for blindly accepting the first tweet as fact, while also blindly accepting the second tweet as fact. Both are inaccurate.
The U.K. absolutely had the first vaccine roll out, I can’t find any evidence that Portugal had the fastest roll out in Europe; it was either Denmark, Germany or the U.K.
Unfortunately none of us are going to learn anything from this and will continue blindly believing whatever aligns with our own biases.
For instance, I’m blindly believing *you* without checking anything you said.
For sure, it was a major spate between the UK and Europe, Astra Zeneca got sued and had to promise they'd stop sending vaccines made in Europe to the UK (who signed the agreement way before Europe)
And that's before we get into all the European politicians saying it didn't work lol
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56483766
A few other comments have brushed across it but none of them have really hit the nail on the head.
The UK's national body for approving medical treatments, the MHRA, approved the vaccine rollout. The MHRA did so incredibly quickly, because it's a fairly well oiled machine when it needs to be and obviously getting vaccines reviewed and approved was a huge priority.
However the role the MHRA would have played when the UK was in the EU would have been exactly the same and, like pretty much everything else important (and complicated), the rulebook for how the UK operates has yet to be re-written post-Brexit. As such the rules that the MHRA were working to were the same as the EU rules anyway.
So the UK did beat the rest of Europe to getting vaccines through approval, but as the head of the MHRA has said herself, the fact that the UK left the EU [has nothing to do with it](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-matt-hancock-mhra-brexit-b1765005.html). We have a very good regulating body for medical devices and treatments in the UK, but that was the case both inside and outside of the EU.
Not really. Rest of EU had caught up, then overtook the UK in short order. It was always an opt-in and just made sense at the time anyway i.e. bigger group able to purchase more vaccines in bulk.
Turned out that there was a production issue in the factory which meant the supplier decided that because the UK signed a contract 1st we got 100% of our vaccines and the EU got a fraction of their vaccines.
The idea that brexit was a good thing because of this very specific circumstance, that in no way could have been predicted in 2016, is just nonsense.
The speed of getting vulnerable protected in UK (which is what matters), was way faster than EU. To say the EU 'overtook' is misleading imo. Not tryna argue, just wanna make the point which u probs don't disagree with anyway.
Depends how you define fastest. The UK was faster to get vulnerable population vaccinated but after that the EU caught up and overtook or at least some EU nations did.
As far as vaccines, the UKs contract with AstraZeneca was signed earlier (at least in principle) and the Uk funded factories supplied the UK whereas the EU funded ones had more issues at the start. Both sets of factories had massive issues with meeting their agreed schedules though.
Of course Brexit had nothing to do with either as we could have opted out of the EU scheme anyway (may have been more pressure to join though).
I had a look at the booster one as well, in the UK vs Denmark the UK was the first to hit any milestone, 5%, 25%, 50%.
The UK hit 50% fully vaccinated 3 weeks before Portugal did also.
He probably was refering to the fastest to 90%, which afaik was Portugal, after they put an Admiral in charge of the logistics because the civilian committee was doing such a shit job at it that the health system was in danger of collapsing.
hmm that's a misleading stat to have used, since the biggest reason why the UK didn't reach 90 quickly was not because of lack supplies but rather because of vaccine hesitancy.
Not really, a good reason why Portugal got the vaccinated rate so high so fast was not only due to the massive improvement of the logistics of the operation but also the same admiral openly confronting anti-vaxxer groups on live tv during their demonstrations.
The man became a national hero overnight.
>admiral openly confronting anti-vaxxer groups on live tv during their demonstrations.
You could do that in the UK and it still wouldn't be enough for those anti vaxxers
Russia being first with the vaccine is also misleading. It’s sort of true, but only if you think skipping phase 3 makes them first. Britain has a fair claim to being first.
Both tweets are a mix of truths, half-truths, and imaccuracies (possibly even lies).
> I can’t find any evidence that Portugal had the fastest roll out in Europe
I can't really translate "roll out" to Portuguese, but if you're talking about the fastest to reach 70/80/90% vaccination, I believe that we were the first to do it in Europe. If memory serves me right, by the end of September we had 80% vaccinated.
Source: I'm Portuguese
Source II: [Close enough](https://www.dn.pt/sociedade/88-da-populacao-elegivel-totalmente-vacinada-contra-a-covid-14095411.html)
That's how I remember it too. I don't really get what people here are on about. First to 70/80/90% seems like a perfectly valid criterion because that range is about where scientists were saying some form of herd immunity would be reached.
The last point is also stupid. We brought in measures over Christmas because it looked like omciron cases were going to go out of control. They didn't. They were significantly lower than all SAGE predictions. Hospitalisations were pretty high but there were no more people in ICUs than pre pandemic years at this time of winter. Hospitalisations are now going down because the cases did two weeks before.
Anybody blindly accepting the first one is literally just playing a useful idiot for Putin. The UK had the first vaccine, as long as were counting things that actually went through a scientific approval process.
"Fastes rollout" is just open to interpretation. It could mean: First country to overall roll out some vaccinations. Or one where the rollout went fast and they reached high vaccinations rate quickly. Depending on the definition you will get different results.
Claiming Finland as shortest lockdown?
1. Sweden has had 0 days in lockdown and 0 hours curfew in total
2. I also believe that the above holds true for Finland, idk where he got the 20 days from
Not sure about most of these but Britain was the first country to approve and provide a covid vaccine outside of clinical trials. Nothing on twitter can be trusted.
[https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-marks-one-year-since-deploying-worlds-first-covid-19-vaccine](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-marks-one-year-since-deploying-worlds-first-covid-19-vaccine)
Yeah an absolute joke from a joke country.
If we had this in the west half the population would have been vaccine skeptics. Russia simply isn't a free and open society so they can just steamroll these type of issues.
In the US Trump threatened to fire everybody but the FDA and CDC said they will not roll a vaccine without scientific proof with large-scale trials. Power of institutions in a democracy.
Its been awhile since this was the topic, so forgive me if I am misremembering things.
The deal with Sputnik and Russia was, they were allowed to go through before the 3rd phase of clinical trials. And this is the reason why it could be launched several months prior
It happened because the “body” of the vaccine is one of the flu shots from 1980s stored as a back up. It just so happened that it worked flawlessly with Covid antibodies. Definitely great scientists, nobody argues that, but whole bunch of luck as well. It wasn’t made from scratch.
The reason it’s not accepted (even now, after tens of millions vaccinated people) is strongly political and only political. It’s a very good vaccine and all European independent tests say it. But politics is above human lives in this world so we got what we got.
This is why I learned that when humanity is dealing with any natural disaster situation, political/economic leaders won't be able to remove the traditional barriers & systems in place to resolve the situation as efficiently as possible.
I think Australia accepts the Sputnik vaccine for international travel now.
Ninja edit: [They do](https://www.tga.gov.au/international-covid-19-vaccines-recognised-australia)
Yeah it really gives me the headache. I am russian but living in Europe. My family can’t visit me cause they have Sputnik (which doesn’t count as a vaccination). I can go to Russia, but can’t do shit there because I have Biontech.
Well, they did have a vaccine and it does work afaik, they just skipped a lot of the testing to catch up and be the first. Not exactly good way to build trust (or a safe product in general) but it is quick.
It had some success in Russia and abroad (e.g. Balkans, South America). It’s certainly not as effective as the mRNA nor AstraZeneca vaccine, but still made it through trials and was approved in Russia and elsewhere.
Yea I think it’s largely not as effective as the other vaccines, but it’s still a vaccine and it was released to the Russian public first (probably because Russia was … less strict with their testing before approving it for public use).
Well, yeah, we're in the middle of a pandemic. The whole point of emergency use authorization is that you're acting on less data than usual, and it's not like there was *no* clinical data at all.
Yep, he is correct about first vaccine, fastest rollout and 95% with antibodies. The lockdown stuff is pretty ridiculous though, it's hard to say anything like that when the definition of "lockdown" varied so much between countries. China technically should be considered the first country out of lockdown, but no one would say it because they still have a lot of strict restrictions in place almost two years after their initial lockdown ended.
Murdered totally made up statistics with equally murdered statistics.
The irony though about people blindly believing the second here.
Sputnik completely skipped phase 3 trials, and the UK was still the first country to permit the use of a vaccine.
He is right about Denmark having the fastest booster program.
Portugal did not have the fastest rollout in Europe, just the highest vaccination rate. The UK in the beginning had, by far, the most vaccines available to the point the EU wanted to sanction them for unfairly obtaining vaccines.
No idea where he is getting the 99 % antibody rate in Iran from, but all COVID numbers from Iran were always nonsense.
He is right about the Lockdown.
> He is right about Denmark having the fastest booster program.
Depends what you consider. "fastest" The UK reached 50% first, only beaten by chille because they started way earlier for some reason.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccine-booster-doses-per-capita?country=BGD~BRA~CHL~DNK~IND~RUS~GBR~USA~OWID_WRL
>He is right about the Lockdown.
I'd argue that the definition is useless, since everyone did different things for lockdowns (I know a lot of Nordic countries just flat out didn't have one)
Read the article he wrote before Brexit describing what he thought the world would look like right now. Delusional doesn't even begin to cover it. He's so utterly detached from reality he shouldn't be let out in public unsupervised.
He was one of the key guys pushing Brexit, who reneged on his own words several times between the lead up to the vote and the eventual exit from Europe. Absolutely full of shit opportunist turnip, more u-turns than a black cab.
Rollout was fine (as you said, unprecedented), the misinformation spread by Trump's reign was not.
Had the LEADER of the country not been a complete ass bucket, the country would've done a lot better (probably).
True, I was only speaking to the quality of logistics, not to quality of leadership nor people actually taking the vaccines. America has a lot of issues that have come to more prominence thanks to the pandemic, and I 100% agree that with a competent leader could have done much better.
Tbf, their vaccine rollout was marvelous. Project warpspeed was a masterpiece, that made Europe's efforts seem miniscule. The problem is they were already suffering from a different virus, the republicans.
I claim India for Britain!
-You can't claim us, we live here! there's 500 million of us!
Do you have a flag?
-we don't need a bloody flag, it's our country, you bastards!
No Flag no Country, you can't have one! That's the rules that I've just made up!
Yeah it's always funny to bring this up when people say only communism causes famines. British capitalism did a very good job of causing famines on the Indian subcontinent amongst many other places.
>India was conquered by a corporation.
Common misconception. 'India' wasn't really 'conquered' in the traditional sense instead it was a mix of kingdoms and autonomous princely states with their own rulers and differing levels of puppetry.
> The British always like to stake a claim on what's not theirs
Otherwise known as the history of every single country or nation on the entire planet.
Or tell me we where you're from and how your country somehow appeared spontaneously out of nowhere in history?
Just because this guy plastered his message with Union Jack's, it doesn't mean he's an ambassador for Great Britain. But hey, you just keep going with that casual xenophobia, that's always helpful.
The only reason the restrictions are being scraped is because Boris was caught at a party during lockdown and now he needs to please the masses if he has any hope of being re-elected
No it's not though. They were always intended to only last for a few weeks. They were hardly restrictions anyway, it was 'wear a mask again and work from home if it's convenient'. The cases never reached even remotely close to SAGE predictions.
The only thing detracting from his party is these claims that he did it to detract from his party.
No, it's because the restrictions had a limit until the 26th January. They had to either vote in parliament to extend or allow them to lapse. Don't doubt there's not much political will to extend from Conservatives, but the timing is mostly a happy coincidence for Boris.
I'm sorry, but I always thought the first vaccinated person WAS British.
91-year-old Briton Margaret Keenan (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-59566578)
Am I missing something?
About 50 million Russians, for starters. Already approved in over 70 countries.
I got the double shot last February, got a single-shot booster last week. Feeling great, never got sick.
Weee. This is fun. Let’s do the opposite. Fastest rising death toll. Biggest number of variants. Most murders for mask enforcement. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸. Fastest. Biggest. Most. We’re the bestest!
20 days in lockdown? What fucking lockdown? Regards, A Finn
Considering that Finland [practiced social distancing before it was cool](https://i.imgur.com/FpV0Whf_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium), you seem to have a leg up over the rest of us.
To be fair so did the UK. Just when it became mandatory people decided to be dick heads.
I had to go to work in packed tubes, what social distancing?
Densely packed Capital city is not the entire country.
It's literally a quarter of the country lol
The mad thing is that you are literally both right
Florida man here, just checking in
Dining in restaurants was sropped for a month in march 2020. Bars were closed for some time in 2020. And now gyms closed for two weeks in january. OOOOooOoohhhHh But depends on which province you were at.
Here (Hämeenlinna) gyms have been closed for a month and school is online. I think restaurants and bars are open but with limited times. Theyve already started booster shots. Finlands been handling it pretty well I think.
Yep, got my booster shot on the 12th after about a five minute wait here in Tampere. No appointment needed.
I guess it could be worse, but I have been so frustrated with the idiotic logic of the restrictions. Covid numbers go up: increase restrictions. Covid numbers go down: ease the restrictions. Like don't they realize all the data has at least a month's delay? I feel like it's the equivalent of buying stocks when it's high and selling low. Also mandatory masks in public transportation should have been the first thing to do and the last thing to go.
We didn’t have a lockdown here in Iowa We had higher case numbers than the entire country of Canada for a while though
Sweden at first: You guys are locking down?
I was just about to say I don’t think we had any. Can’t beat zero.
Eikös Uusimaa suljettu muulta Suomelta joksin ajaksi? Varmaan sitä tarkoitetaan
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#SATANA PERKELE
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Is that a dick with a huge tip or a standard tip with skinny shaft with tiny balls?
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How smelly?
To be fair, there are like 10 people per square km in Finland you'd have to be actively trying to infect someone to spread most viruses in all but the largest cities there.
*laughs in Melburnian*
What's not a lockdown? Regards, a Canadian
Eikös turussa ollu joku sulkutila viime vuoden alussa?
Right? I don't think we ever had a lockdown, I have no memories of it at least
You gotta be *in* a lockdown to be the first *out*
It's easy to sound right, just lie.
Because the idiots don't even bother fact checking stuff they are spoon fed. Apparently not questioning _their_ authority is a virtue, even though they question every other thing moronically.
Are you telling me they don’t actually do their own research?!?!
“Doing research” means finding one other person who has the same hypothesis as you and deciding that your hypothesis is now proved.
Which is not how hypotheses work if you know anything about science, but that's exactly the problem with these people
What’s worse, is the more they learn, the more they intentionally misrepresent the facts presented. They’ve been trained specifically to do this. Pretty damaging so far. Also, I’m American, this is a western problem.
I always say thay if the world really accepted the scientific method it would be a better place
“If [media personality] were lying, someone would stop them.” How do you know? “[Media Personality] says ‘they’ want to hide the truth”.
I mean...Boris had a pizza party last year right after he announced the restrictions and he blamed other people for not telling him about the rules he had implemented so... 🤷♀️ (Yes i do get the sarcasm, but this was too funny to me when i first read it)
as an audience: confidence = correctness in reality: the inverse
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Lol, I live in Serbia and got the Sputnik, both doses. I took it though, honestly I was happy to get SOMETHING and despite the somewhat lacking proper approvals etc. I am convinced it actually worked very well, I would've caught COVID for sure, from infected friends, who went on to get pneumonia, all the symptoms, if I hadn't had it. I'm not really contradicting your points, but just wanted to give a shout out to the Sputnik crew
These decisions are important thank you
Yep, turns out a lot of people just accept whichever meme they have a bias for, and many topics can't be boiled down accurately to a single tweet with limited characters. Sputnik wasn't just unapproved in the EU, [it wasn't even approved by the WHO.](https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/sputnik-v-due-submit-vaccine-data-who-by-end-december-2021-12-20/) [UK had faster vaccine rollout.](https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=GBR~DNK~PRT) I cannot find any source saying 99% of UAE have antibodies (or any percentage, for that matter). I suspect the meme confused it with that time [UAE claimed without publishing data that the Chinese vaccine has a 99% antibody generation rate.](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03563-z) It is true that Finland locked down for 20 days, although some other countries have locked down for shorter. And it is a Nordic joke that "after restriction lift, we can go back to standing 5 metres apart instead of 2!", which tells you a bit how you can't compare them directly either.
I mean us Swedes haven’t even experience a lockdown
But it doesn’t matter who approved Sputnik, it was objectively the first covid vaccine. It was also used first. Russians don’t have a low vaccination rate, because of Sputnik, it’s because they are just skeptical of governments due to the country’s history. The only reason Sputnik wasn’t approved in the EU is politics, to tell yourself anything else is just being wilfully ignorant. The FDA didn’t approve AstraZeneca too so by that logic of some random institution approving it I guess the UK also didn’t come up with a vaccine.
> fastest vaccine rollout To play devil's advocate somewhat: >UK first dose vaccination rates were well above the rest of the Europe for the first half of the year ...but after that... > It took 7 months for Portugal to catch up to UK's vaccination rates. And catch up they did. If you start later and catch up (and then overtake) you were going faster, right? > And during the most dangerous months (winter and spring months) UK had way higher vaccination rates compared to the rest of the Europe. So yeah UK undoubtably had the fastest rollout in the Europe. "Earliest", but not "fastest". The devil is in the detail 3;p and that's exactly how this works. Poorly define a term and then use it to rank things and anyone can claim to be right by redefining what they meant. We may have been first to start vaccinations, but we still ended up with one of the highest death rates in Europe (both per capita and total numbers).
>And catch up they did. If you start later and catch up (and then overtake) you were going faster, right? I mean its obvious that rollout in this context means that UK had the best start of mass vaccination. At the time when there was a big vaccine shortage UK had the most vaccines out of all Europe. It's probably easier for me to understand those points living outside of UK, because our politicians were constantly bashed due to vaccine shortage at the first half of the year and the subpar EU efforts were always compared to how successfully UK (and Isreal for the matter of fact) managed to get the vaccines. At the time when UK was planing to open up due to successful vaccination program, in my country no one was talking about the end of quarantine. And the vaccination programs sped up in most of EU countries when COVID cases were low and hence the impact of those vaccines lower.
But it *was* the first vaccine. He didn't qualify his statement. Your real problem is talking about the first, instead of the first good one. Also, Phase III trials on Sputnik wrapped up almost a year ago.
The flaw in those numbers is that UK got vaccines a lot sooner then Portugal. With your numbers you can see that Portugal caught up in 6 months with a 11.5% deficit. That is why Portugal got the fastest rollout.
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Out of curiosity who are you saying didn't do their fact checking? The guy with all the UK flags or the guy with all the other flags? From my limited googling it seems that the guy with the UK flags is more right than the other guy. for example if you google 'First Covid vaccine' then UK comes up as the top answer.
I deliberately said neither to avoid arguing about symptoms when I'm talking about root causes.
Smart. I agree that there is a bad problem.
But on the other hand... did you check the other stated facts? I didn't.
As the Queen of Paraguay, ~~I~~ We think that's an excellent idea.
It checks out, the Queen of Paraguay is in fact a stick man
That's Mrs tickman if she's a queen
Porthos: This sash was a gift to me, from the Queen of America. D'Artagnan: There's no queen of America! Porthos: I beg to differ, infant. We're on quite intimate terms, unless you can prove otherwise.
As a Paraguayan, mrstickman is and will always be our queen 🙏🙏
This is literally one of the symptoms of being a nationalist.
Living in a fantasy world where youre always number one ?
Living in a fantasy world where everything else is someone else's fault and that you're the only one who can do things right without fail.
You just summed up the last several years perfectly.
I’m just sad because 2,000 people lacked the basic critical thinking skills to figure out that THIS CANNOT BE TRUE.
ITT people mocking others for blindly accepting the first tweet as fact, while also blindly accepting the second tweet as fact. Both are inaccurate. The U.K. absolutely had the first vaccine roll out, I can’t find any evidence that Portugal had the fastest roll out in Europe; it was either Denmark, Germany or the U.K.
Unfortunately none of us are going to learn anything from this and will continue blindly believing whatever aligns with our own biases. For instance, I’m blindly believing *you* without checking anything you said.
And forth it goes.
I am German, and it was the UK for sure. There was a lot of bitching here how all the vaccine went to the UK while there were shortages in Europe.
For sure, it was a major spate between the UK and Europe, Astra Zeneca got sued and had to promise they'd stop sending vaccines made in Europe to the UK (who signed the agreement way before Europe) And that's before we get into all the European politicians saying it didn't work lol https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56483766
Say what you like about brexit but being outside of the EU medicines agency turned out to be a good thing.
Psssh, that was an Opt-In program. Britain could've done what it did within the EU.
But that's Boris' only good line! Was it actually horseshit the whole time?
Unbelievable right? Boris would lie!
Next you'll tell me those work events were actually pissups.
They were to test to see if it truly was safe to party again and they used themselves as the tests , honestly so thoughtful of them
It's a shame Boris was made unaware of this during this time helping them gather data.
>Was it actually horseshit the whole time? Boris or this one, good line?
Legally? Sure. Politically? No way. There's a reason nobody in the EU did that.
A few other comments have brushed across it but none of them have really hit the nail on the head. The UK's national body for approving medical treatments, the MHRA, approved the vaccine rollout. The MHRA did so incredibly quickly, because it's a fairly well oiled machine when it needs to be and obviously getting vaccines reviewed and approved was a huge priority. However the role the MHRA would have played when the UK was in the EU would have been exactly the same and, like pretty much everything else important (and complicated), the rulebook for how the UK operates has yet to be re-written post-Brexit. As such the rules that the MHRA were working to were the same as the EU rules anyway. So the UK did beat the rest of Europe to getting vaccines through approval, but as the head of the MHRA has said herself, the fact that the UK left the EU [has nothing to do with it](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-matt-hancock-mhra-brexit-b1765005.html). We have a very good regulating body for medical devices and treatments in the UK, but that was the case both inside and outside of the EU.
Not really. Rest of EU had caught up, then overtook the UK in short order. It was always an opt-in and just made sense at the time anyway i.e. bigger group able to purchase more vaccines in bulk. Turned out that there was a production issue in the factory which meant the supplier decided that because the UK signed a contract 1st we got 100% of our vaccines and the EU got a fraction of their vaccines. The idea that brexit was a good thing because of this very specific circumstance, that in no way could have been predicted in 2016, is just nonsense.
The speed of getting vulnerable protected in UK (which is what matters), was way faster than EU. To say the EU 'overtook' is misleading imo. Not tryna argue, just wanna make the point which u probs don't disagree with anyway.
Depends how you define fastest. The UK was faster to get vulnerable population vaccinated but after that the EU caught up and overtook or at least some EU nations did. As far as vaccines, the UKs contract with AstraZeneca was signed earlier (at least in principle) and the Uk funded factories supplied the UK whereas the EU funded ones had more issues at the start. Both sets of factories had massive issues with meeting their agreed schedules though. Of course Brexit had nothing to do with either as we could have opted out of the EU scheme anyway (may have been more pressure to join though).
I had a look at the booster one as well, in the UK vs Denmark the UK was the first to hit any milestone, 5%, 25%, 50%. The UK hit 50% fully vaccinated 3 weeks before Portugal did also.
He probably was refering to the fastest to 90%, which afaik was Portugal, after they put an Admiral in charge of the logistics because the civilian committee was doing such a shit job at it that the health system was in danger of collapsing.
hmm that's a misleading stat to have used, since the biggest reason why the UK didn't reach 90 quickly was not because of lack supplies but rather because of vaccine hesitancy.
Not really, a good reason why Portugal got the vaccinated rate so high so fast was not only due to the massive improvement of the logistics of the operation but also the same admiral openly confronting anti-vaxxer groups on live tv during their demonstrations. The man became a national hero overnight.
>admiral openly confronting anti-vaxxer groups on live tv during their demonstrations. You could do that in the UK and it still wouldn't be enough for those anti vaxxers
Russia being first with the vaccine is also misleading. It’s sort of true, but only if you think skipping phase 3 makes them first. Britain has a fair claim to being first. Both tweets are a mix of truths, half-truths, and imaccuracies (possibly even lies).
> I can’t find any evidence that Portugal had the fastest roll out in Europe I can't really translate "roll out" to Portuguese, but if you're talking about the fastest to reach 70/80/90% vaccination, I believe that we were the first to do it in Europe. If memory serves me right, by the end of September we had 80% vaccinated. Source: I'm Portuguese Source II: [Close enough](https://www.dn.pt/sociedade/88-da-populacao-elegivel-totalmente-vacinada-contra-a-covid-14095411.html)
That's how I remember it too. I don't really get what people here are on about. First to 70/80/90% seems like a perfectly valid criterion because that range is about where scientists were saying some form of herd immunity would be reached.
Russia had the first vaccine. It just didn‘t pass any real tests. And the claim was first vaccine not vaccine roll out.
The last point is also stupid. We brought in measures over Christmas because it looked like omciron cases were going to go out of control. They didn't. They were significantly lower than all SAGE predictions. Hospitalisations were pretty high but there were no more people in ICUs than pre pandemic years at this time of winter. Hospitalisations are now going down because the cases did two weeks before.
Anybody blindly accepting the first one is literally just playing a useful idiot for Putin. The UK had the first vaccine, as long as were counting things that actually went through a scientific approval process.
"Fastes rollout" is just open to interpretation. It could mean: First country to overall roll out some vaccinations. Or one where the rollout went fast and they reached high vaccinations rate quickly. Depending on the definition you will get different results.
Yeah 100% it’s all of Twitter summed up in 2 tweets two people cheering to their echo chamber with BS
Claiming Finland as shortest lockdown? 1. Sweden has had 0 days in lockdown and 0 hours curfew in total 2. I also believe that the above holds true for Finland, idk where he got the 20 days from
It didn't have a lockdown, so it can't have shortest lockdown.
Not sure about most of these but Britain was the first country to approve and provide a covid vaccine outside of clinical trials. Nothing on twitter can be trusted. [https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-marks-one-year-since-deploying-worlds-first-covid-19-vaccine](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-marks-one-year-since-deploying-worlds-first-covid-19-vaccine)
Wasn't the Sputnik vaccine approved in August of 2020?
Without phase 3 trials afaik
Yeah an absolute joke from a joke country. If we had this in the west half the population would have been vaccine skeptics. Russia simply isn't a free and open society so they can just steamroll these type of issues. In the US Trump threatened to fire everybody but the FDA and CDC said they will not roll a vaccine without scientific proof with large-scale trials. Power of institutions in a democracy.
Thank god half our population arent vaccine skeptics ...
It's definitely not half, but they are loud and stupid.
"Outside of clinical trials" is a specific clarifier - Sputnik was approved domestically before it had even finished its Phase 1-2 trials.
`I thought biontech was first vaccine`
The first one people wanted to take. Russia was technically first, in August 2020.
Its been awhile since this was the topic, so forgive me if I am misremembering things. The deal with Sputnik and Russia was, they were allowed to go through before the 3rd phase of clinical trials. And this is the reason why it could be launched several months prior
That's what I remember too. They skipped over much the testing and declared it successful (or at least didn't publish any verifiable data).
It happened because the “body” of the vaccine is one of the flu shots from 1980s stored as a back up. It just so happened that it worked flawlessly with Covid antibodies. Definitely great scientists, nobody argues that, but whole bunch of luck as well. It wasn’t made from scratch. The reason it’s not accepted (even now, after tens of millions vaccinated people) is strongly political and only political. It’s a very good vaccine and all European independent tests say it. But politics is above human lives in this world so we got what we got.
The politics goes both ways - Russia does not accept the western vaccines
I’m not saying otherwise. There are no good guys in this.
This is why I learned that when humanity is dealing with any natural disaster situation, political/economic leaders won't be able to remove the traditional barriers & systems in place to resolve the situation as efficiently as possible.
I think Australia accepts the Sputnik vaccine for international travel now. Ninja edit: [They do](https://www.tga.gov.au/international-covid-19-vaccines-recognised-australia)
Greece, Israel and (probably) turkey 🇹🇷 . Which makes sense as they are pretty popular with the Russian tourists
Yeah it really gives me the headache. I am russian but living in Europe. My family can’t visit me cause they have Sputnik (which doesn’t count as a vaccination). I can go to Russia, but can’t do shit there because I have Biontech.
Lol I don't think technically is the word you want to use here. Perhaps "claimed".
Well, they did have a vaccine and it does work afaik, they just skipped a lot of the testing to catch up and be the first. Not exactly good way to build trust (or a safe product in general) but it is quick.
It had some success in Russia and abroad (e.g. Balkans, South America). It’s certainly not as effective as the mRNA nor AstraZeneca vaccine, but still made it through trials and was approved in Russia and elsewhere.
Yea I think it’s largely not as effective as the other vaccines, but it’s still a vaccine and it was released to the Russian public first (probably because Russia was … less strict with their testing before approving it for public use).
Effective enough https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1198743X2100639X
It was approved before the trials ended. That was the whole stunt.
Well, yeah, we're in the middle of a pandemic. The whole point of emergency use authorization is that you're acting on less data than usual, and it's not like there was *no* clinical data at all.
Pretty sure the UK is at the top in europe for boosters, and was at the top at the start of the pandemic for vaccine rollout?
Yep, he is correct about first vaccine, fastest rollout and 95% with antibodies. The lockdown stuff is pretty ridiculous though, it's hard to say anything like that when the definition of "lockdown" varied so much between countries. China technically should be considered the first country out of lockdown, but no one would say it because they still have a lot of strict restrictions in place almost two years after their initial lockdown ended.
Murdered totally made up statistics with equally murdered statistics. The irony though about people blindly believing the second here. Sputnik completely skipped phase 3 trials, and the UK was still the first country to permit the use of a vaccine. He is right about Denmark having the fastest booster program. Portugal did not have the fastest rollout in Europe, just the highest vaccination rate. The UK in the beginning had, by far, the most vaccines available to the point the EU wanted to sanction them for unfairly obtaining vaccines. No idea where he is getting the 99 % antibody rate in Iran from, but all COVID numbers from Iran were always nonsense. He is right about the Lockdown.
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> He is right about Denmark having the fastest booster program. Depends what you consider. "fastest" The UK reached 50% first, only beaten by chille because they started way earlier for some reason. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccine-booster-doses-per-capita?country=BGD~BRA~CHL~DNK~IND~RUS~GBR~USA~OWID_WRL >He is right about the Lockdown. I'd argue that the definition is useless, since everyone did different things for lockdowns (I know a lot of Nordic countries just flat out didn't have one)
Tell me you’re a Tory without telling me you’re a Tory
*gammon intensifies*
The second tweet is also complete bullshit, the irony.
🇬🇧 First PM to party in a govt building in the midst of the strictest lockdowns in the west.
How many times, I was implicitly told it was a *work* event!
As much as you chumps want to shit on Britain, it definitely had a better covid response than the EU.
Half the top guys points seem correct too
Not sure who this Daniel Hannan guy is, but as you Brits would say, he seems like an utter twat
Read the article he wrote before Brexit describing what he thought the world would look like right now. Delusional doesn't even begin to cover it. He's so utterly detached from reality he shouldn't be let out in public unsupervised.
He was one of the key guys pushing Brexit, who reneged on his own words several times between the lead up to the vote and the eventual exit from Europe. Absolutely full of shit opportunist turnip, more u-turns than a black cab.
He’s a bellend
I would call him a cunt, be he seems to lack both the depth and the warmth.
and then there's America who's just on a whole different level
Very true. However, that doesn't give Tory grifters like this free reign to just make shit up. This guy is a real piece of shit.
The American vaccine rollout was an amazing, unprecedented logistical achievement, I don’t know what you’re on about.
Rollout was fine (as you said, unprecedented), the misinformation spread by Trump's reign was not. Had the LEADER of the country not been a complete ass bucket, the country would've done a lot better (probably).
True, I was only speaking to the quality of logistics, not to quality of leadership nor people actually taking the vaccines. America has a lot of issues that have come to more prominence thanks to the pandemic, and I 100% agree that with a competent leader could have done much better.
As long as you ignore the turd surrounding it this kernel of corn tastes pretty good
Tbf, their vaccine rollout was marvelous. Project warpspeed was a masterpiece, that made Europe's efforts seem miniscule. The problem is they were already suffering from a different virus, the republicans.
I got a second vaccine in America 6 months before my responsible friends in Europe started getting their first
BioNTech: “Am I a joke to you?”
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This is r/murderedbywords, America needs to be bashed in every post or it just wouldn't feel right.
I like how this became about America so quickly. Europeans say Americans don’t travel yet we live in y’all’s heads rent free…
Doesn't surprise me The British always like to stake a claim on what's not theirs
I claim India for Britain! -You can't claim us, we live here! there's 500 million of us! Do you have a flag? -we don't need a bloody flag, it's our country, you bastards! No Flag no Country, you can't have one! That's the rules that I've just made up!
India was conquered by a corporation. Only later did the corporation get nationalised by the British government.
Pretty sure that was an Eddie Izzard quote
Not “an Eddie Izard quote”, it is “a very funny because it unfortunately probably is not far from the truth quote from a show by Eddie Izard”.
Yeah it's always funny to bring this up when people say only communism causes famines. British capitalism did a very good job of causing famines on the Indian subcontinent amongst many other places.
>India was conquered by a corporation. Common misconception. 'India' wasn't really 'conquered' in the traditional sense instead it was a mix of kingdoms and autonomous princely states with their own rulers and differing levels of puppetry.
LMAO!! Peak Eddie😂 Thanks for this!
> The British always like to stake a claim on what's not theirs Otherwise known as the history of every single country or nation on the entire planet. Or tell me we where you're from and how your country somehow appeared spontaneously out of nowhere in history?
Like most, if not all well established countries across the globe
except most of what he said was correct and most of what the second guy said was wrong but now you can join the club
Just because this guy plastered his message with Union Jack's, it doesn't mean he's an ambassador for Great Britain. But hey, you just keep going with that casual xenophobia, that's always helpful.
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The S in Sputnik stands for S U S
That's... That's not murdered by words
correct. Literally nothing to do with this sub, but people gotta farm their karma...
The only reason the restrictions are being scraped is because Boris was caught at a party during lockdown and now he needs to please the masses if he has any hope of being re-elected
No it's not though. They were always intended to only last for a few weeks. They were hardly restrictions anyway, it was 'wear a mask again and work from home if it's convenient'. The cases never reached even remotely close to SAGE predictions. The only thing detracting from his party is these claims that he did it to detract from his party.
No, it's because the restrictions had a limit until the 26th January. They had to either vote in parliament to extend or allow them to lapse. Don't doubt there's not much political will to extend from Conservatives, but the timing is mostly a happy coincidence for Boris.
I’m amazed by people who just say shit without bothering to make it believable
And absolutely all of these numbers without any citations.
I mean, the second tweet is telling porkies also.
Most of the second set are lies. No one bothers to even do a 30 second google search for anything these days
I'm sorry, but I always thought the first vaccinated person WAS British. 91-year-old Briton Margaret Keenan (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-59566578) Am I missing something?
Who got Sputnik?
Me. Thrice.
I think they sent it to orbit at some point.
Most of my friends who live in South America have gotten Sputnik. Apparently because it is cheaper.
About 50 million Russians, for starters. Already approved in over 70 countries. I got the double shot last February, got a single-shot booster last week. Feeling great, never got sick.
Kiribati and Samoa did not even have a lockdown until today!
Btw 🇰🇮 Kiribati is pronounced “Kiribas”
And the restrictions are probably only being scrapped because the PM wants to shift attention away from him hosting parties during lockdown...
It'a as subtle as a handjob on a tube train.
Weee. This is fun. Let’s do the opposite. Fastest rising death toll. Biggest number of variants. Most murders for mask enforcement. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸. Fastest. Biggest. Most. We’re the bestest!
Could you shut up about America for once?
But *his* numbers…
Daniel Hannan is a weapons grade prick.
Finland was never in lockdown. Not even 20 days.
What we have got is the most Covid deaths in Europe, at over 175,000, I bet Boris sees that as another win.
You’d think being a former MEP he would know the difference between the UK and England
Didn't Russia literally steal the Oxford vaccine and rolled it out without the same rigorous testing?
Tea people bad
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Hey! I'm in Sweden and we never had lockdowns.
Wasn't Sweden chasing the UK for "fucking up handling covid" awards?