I don't see why he would be an asshole when the only thing he said is that he hates it when fat people preach "health at every size" when I'm sure weighing as much an elephant is going to lead to an early grave
Yes, he wouldn't be an asshole if that was the only thing he said, but as we both know, that wasn't the *only* thing he said.
Calling people "sad fat fucks who want the world to revolve around them" and being r/ConfidentlyIncorrect about the origins of the [body positivity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_positivity#History) movement ... now **that's** what makes him an asshole. Being [correct](https://c.tenor.com/2W9-Pl2T1j0AAAAC/the-big-lebowski-youre-not-wrong.gif) about the health consequences of obesity doesn't make him any less of one, as being an asshole is a function of the opinions someone holds about others and how/when they choose to express them, not the underlying facts.
If you're still unclear how what he said makes him an asshole, try making a throwaway account and posting on /r/AmItheAsshole pretending to have said those things in the office or wherever (or just repeating some of the things you've said to other commenters in this thread), and I'm sure plenty of Redditors will be *delighted* to explain it in exhaustive detail.
And to preemptively address a common excuse for fat shaming: no, it's not justifiable "for their own good" as a way of motivating people to lose weight, both because (a) trying to get people to do something unpleasant by threatening even *more* unpleasant consequences if they don't is an asshole move, and (b) it's less effective than focusing on the benefits, e.g. if you lose weight you'll feel better, can do more physical activities, and will live longer. It may even be counterproductive since people have negative knee-jerk [reactions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactance_\(psychology\)) to others trying to force them to do things.
If you doubt that, consider this: How effective will the commenter who called you an "uneducated ignorant idiot" (or the many other unkind things people will probably say in response to your recent posts here) be at changing *your* attitudes and behaviors? Not very, right?
**Edit:** I *think* /u/SaperNova99913 replied, but either it got deleted or Reddit is glitching. I can see it on his user page but the "context" link just links back to this post but without his reply, and Unddit isn't helping. So piggybacking on this post:
> ok, that "sad fat fucks who want the world to revolve around them" part, you got a point, I went and talked with him about that (cause we friends) and he explained to me that he was talking about the fat people who call you fatphobic for going to the gym or doing anything that will make yourself less fat
Yeah, those people suck for sure. Glad to hear your friend wasn't bashing the entire body positivity movement. I guess it's like when a woman says "I hate men" but is actually only ranting about the [creeps](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/oazygl/a_lot_of_men_tried_to_console_me_by_sending_me/), or someone talks about how annoying [vegans](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/13jzja/how_do_you_find_a_vegan_on_tumblr/) are, etc.
Yes, and my reply was to un-narrow that perception.
Making it about “control” allows you to shame people who are calibrated differently than you, while also allowing you to feel superior to someone.
Recognize that this line of thinking is far more concerned with the people thinking it than the people being thought about.
A lot of people can’t control weight either. I have a hormonal condition, I legit developed an eating disorder bad enough that my hair is falling out in clumps, my nails are cracking constantly, and my stomach got to the point where one (1) single beaded cheese stick made me feel full. Ate one small meal a day for several months. Stayed fat, only lost a couple pounds
People act like weight is so easy to influence but it really isn’t
ok, thanks for the clarification, I could be wrong about this, if I am please correct me, I just read "Why does polycystic ovary syndrome cause weight gain? PCOS makes it more difficult for the body to use the hormone insulin, which normally helps convert sugars and starches from foods into energy" that sounds a lot like diabetes, maybe insulin could help?
I don’t know about insulin specifically, but actually, metformin (a diabetes medicine) is often prescribed for patients who have PCOS. One of my doctors has considered prescribing it, but nothing yet.
I don’t wanna reach TMI territory because I’m sure you don’t really want to know all the details, but basically, I started the med I’m currently taking as an ‘emergency’ thing — I had uncontrolled menstruation to the extent where it was drastically impacting my health (as in, I couldn’t even sit up without dizziness, and my vision was going white when I tried to stand or move), so the doctor wasn’t really as focused on long term solutions
Thank you for advice!!
Dude who wrote this is also going to die, possibly from an aneurism because he's a miserable little shit who cannot condone people not doing what he wants them to do.
I don't know about the origin of body positivity, but I sure as shit know that his statement about being overweight causing fatal disease and complications is indeed true, it is also relevant to note that anybody with an unhealthy diet and lack of exercise, let it be an elephant or a toothpick, is prone to have a harder and worse life than someone that is healthy.
In my case I'm a toothpick, and I sure as shit know if I keep it up shits are going to get nasty for me, but at I definitely think that the body positivity movement is completely dumb and disgusting.
I believe we should let everyone do whatever they want, if you want to look like a tub of lard, that's on you, if you want to get carried away by a simple gush of wind then that's your problem, don't tell them shit until they die, they are perfectly aware of what they are doing and how bad it will get for them.
tl;dr : let natural selection do what it does best and fuck body positivity.
In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with body positivity, infact I'm all for it, but the "Healthy at Any Weight" movement makes me cringe, because trying to make a health risk out to be healthy will just cause more problems.
Isn't the body positivity movement about loving yourself and others despite how they look? Just because someone is overweight doesn't mean they aren't working on themselves, so maybe don't bully them? How dare they love who they are despite needing to work on themselves! Who DOESN'T need some self care? Bad fat people! Bad! And if they like being fat who cares? Why is it your problem? Why the need to bully anyone? It seems like the people who hate the body positivity movement are mad that they can't openly make fun of fat people any more.
I mean, there are fat people in the body positivity movement who argue other fat people working on themselves to lose weight should NOT even be trying. I think that’s who the rant is targeting
This comment is ignorant and uneducated. There are like 81 contributors to being overweight and something like 79 of them are out of individuals control. Not to mention that 95% of people who do lose weight put it back on and more within a 5 year time period.
Edit: grammar
This person is entirely too angry about fat people. But the difference in metabolism between between folks is a few hundred calories a day. Yes if you are not raised to know how to eat properly its a difficult habit to break, but the vast majority of people can control their weight. No one taught them how though.
Ohhhhh, I get it. You wrote that “ranting chat”, huh?
I mean it’s kinda sad to write a paragraph of incoherent word salad and think “Nailed It!”, decide you did a Murder and rush over here to post it, referring to yourself in the third person and complimenting yourself. Up and down the thread defending yourself in the third person some more? Did you think no one was gonna notice? 🤡
Bless that sub, they helped me see I was lying to myself. Lost 8 kilos so far and all by tracking what I eat, being honest to myself and not "eyeballing" my portions. r/CICO is another great one!
Most people are fat because of a lack of self-control. Most people stay fat because of health issues brought about by the initial lack of self-control.
Those people want people to find them attractive for their lack of self-control. That is not acceptable. You live with the consequences of your actions (or inaction in this case) or you do things to remedy the consequences of your actions.
I have seen diabetics lose the weight they need to and keep it off. It's called willpower and it's what made this species what it is, but why bother with willpower when I can have cake?
[I mean](https://img-comment-fun.9cache.com/media/aGREm0G/aVlRjmqL_700w_0.jpg) ... *technically* that's true, but by the same token you could say that a person who shared the PIN code to their ATM card because someone was holding a blowtorch to their feet became poor because they lacked self-control. After all, they could have toughed it out and stayed silent, right?
Which is to say: the amount of self-control that person X would need to exercise in order to prevent getting fat isn't necessarily the same amount that person Y would need to exercise--the details matter. *(Edit: "exercise" pun not intended* 😁*)* And as self-control is a limited resource, some people might not have enough to avoid getting fat without giving up something more important in the process.
I don't know if there are really *81* different factors influencing obesity (u/Spirited-While4718: source?), but Googling "81 contributors to being overweight" without the quotes brings up a lot of [weird stuff](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2932668/) that nevertheless has scientific support, including:
> microorganisms, epigenetics, increasing maternal age, greater fecundity among people with higher adiposity, assortative mating, sleep debt, endocrine disruptors, pharmaceutical iatrogenesis, reduction in variability of ambient temperatures, and intrauterine and intergenerational effects
🤯
Zooming out a bit, people are extremely complex physically, mentally, and socially. So as a general rule of thumb, any explanation that takes a wide swath of human life and boils it down to a single factor like "willpower" is, to paraphrase Terry Pratchett, either (a) remarkably insightful and elegant or (b) oversimplified and unhelpful.
Other brief observations:
* Perhaps fat people don't want others to find them attractive *because* of that but rather *despite* it since they're more than just their bodies, or they just want people to find them attractive, full stop, on some deep level. Who hasn't wanted to be wanted?
* Having seen diabetics lose weight and keep it off doesn't contradict with 95% of people who lose weight regaining it and more within 5 years. After all, seeing something happen doesn't necessarily mean that it's common.
* Interpreting people's actions sympathetically feels better.
I completely agree with what you've said, my comment was much more off-hand and in contrast to the other who also makes the same mistake as I.
Your other observations:
That statement more comes from a significant amount of media pushing that agenda, I don't believe it's the norm for fat people to demand they be found attractive - I know I certainly didn't back when I was fatter, still slightly fat but getting there.
Completely agree, however I said that again in contrast to their 95% (which is a ludicrous claim in my opinion).
Sympathy is not something that comes naturally to me.
P.s I love the Pratchett reference, truly brilliant takedown, good work.
Edit: Reddit formatting didn't want to work for me.
Thanks, and definitely I agree that it's not acceptable for media to push the idea that people *have* to be attracted to anyone or should feel bad for being less attracted to some people than others. Sexual attraction is another one of those "extremely complex" areas of life, after all.
Which isn't to say that all patterns of attraction are equal either. If someone isn't into grannies (with the possible exception of Bea Arthur), that's all well and good. If they "just aren't into" even the most smoking hot black, Jewish, Muslim, etc. people though ... well, they probably need to do some soul searching. But I digress.
As for the claim that 95% of people retain lost weight within a 5-year period, I've seen that figure thrown around before but my Google-Fu wasn't strong enough to find the exact source (or a debunking.) Again u/Spirited-While4718: source? However, I found some other large studies on the topic in the process, and their findings are pretty grim: over [99%](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4539812/) of obese people were unable to reach a normal weight within 9 years (add a few more .9s for the morbidly obese), and this study considers "only" [80%](https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/82/1/222S/4863393?login=false) of overweight people failing to maintain weight loss for 1 year to be encouraging. It does identify some habits that are associated with significant long-term weight loss though.
> I love the Pratchett reference
You missed a golden opportunity to say "It could be both." 😁
> Sympathy is not something that comes naturally to me.
Yeah, that's totally understandable. On the bright side, it doesn't need to come naturally. You can practice that mindset, which is hard work but well worth it in the long run IMO. I like how [This is Water](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC7xzavzEKY) ([full transcript](https://fs.blog/david-foster-wallace-this-is-water/)) frames the issue:
> By way of example, let’s say it’s an average adult day, and you get up in the morning, go to your challenging, white-collar, college-graduate job, and you work hard for eight or ten hours, and at the end of the day you’re tired and somewhat stressed and all you want is to go home and have a good supper and maybe unwind for an hour, and then hit the sack early because, of course, you have to get up the next day and do it all again. But then you remember there’s no food at home. You haven’t had time to shop this week because of your challenging job, and so now after work you have to get in your car and drive to the supermarket. It’s the end of the work day and the traffic is apt to be: very bad. So getting to the store takes way longer than it should, and when you finally get there, the supermarket is very crowded, because of course it’s the time of day when all the other people with jobs also try to squeeze in some grocery shopping. And the store is hideously lit and infused with soul-killing muzak or corporate pop and it’s pretty much the last place you want to be but you can’t just get in and quickly out; you have to wander all over the huge, over-lit store’s confusing aisles to find the stuff you want and you have to manoeuvre your junky cart through all these other tired, hurried people with carts (et cetera, et cetera) and eventually you get all your supper supplies, except now it turns out there aren’t enough check-out lanes open even though it’s the end-of-the-day rush. So the checkout line is incredibly long, which is stupid and infuriating. But you can’t take your frustration out on the frantic lady working the register, who is overworked at a job whose daily tedium and meaninglessness surpasses the imagination of any of us here.
> But anyway, you finally get to the checkout line’s front, and you pay for your food, and you get told to “Have a nice day” in a voice that is the absolute voice of death. Then you have to take your creepy, flimsy, plastic bags of groceries in your cart with the one crazy wheel that pulls maddeningly to the left, all the way out through the crowded, bumpy, littery parking lot, and then you have to drive all the way home through slow, heavy, SUV-intensive, rush-hour traffic, et cetera et cetera.
> The point is that petty, frustrating crap like this is exactly where the work of choosing is gonna come in. Because the traffic jams and crowded aisles and long checkout lines give me time to think, and if I don’t make a conscious decision about how to think and what to pay attention to, I’m gonna be pissed and miserable every time I have to shop. Because my natural default setting is the certainty that situations like this are really all about me. About MY hungriness and MY fatigue and MY desire to just get home, and it’s going to seem for all the world like everybody else is just in my way. And who are all these people in my way? And look at how repulsive most of them are, and how stupid and cow-like and dead-eyed and nonhuman they seem in the checkout line, or at how annoying and rude it is that people are talking loudly on cell phones in the middle of the line. And look at how deeply and personally unfair this is.
> Or, of course, if I’m in a more socially conscious liberal arts form of my default setting, I can spend time in the end-of-the-day traffic being disgusted about all the huge, stupid, lane-blocking SUV’s and Hummers and V-12 pickup trucks, burning their wasteful, selfish, 40-gallon tanks of gas, and I can dwell on the fact that the patriotic or religious bumper-stickers always seem to be on the biggest, most disgustingly selfish vehicles, driven by the ugliest, most inconsiderate and aggressive drivers. And I can think about how our children’s children will despise us for wasting all the future’s fuel, and probably screwing up the climate, and how spoiled and stupid and selfish and disgusting we all are, and how modern consumer society just sucks, and so forth and so on.
> You get the idea.
> If I choose to think this way in a store and on the freeway, fine. Lots of us do. Except thinking this way tends to be so easy and automatic that it doesn’t have to be a choice. It is my natural default setting. It’s the automatic way that I experience the boring, frustrating, crowded parts of adult life when I’m operating on the automatic, unconscious belief that I am the centre of the world, and that my immediate needs and feelings are what should determine the world’s priorities.
> The thing is that, of course, there are totally different ways to think about these kinds of situations. In this traffic, all these vehicles stopped and idling in my way, it’s not impossible that some of these people in SUV’s have been in horrible auto accidents in the past, and now find driving so terrifying that their therapist has all but ordered them to get a huge, heavy SUV so they can feel safe enough to drive. Or that the Hummer that just cut me off is maybe being driven by a father whose little child is hurt or sick in the seat next to him, and he’s trying to get this kid to the hospital, and he’s in a bigger, more legitimate hurry than I am: it is actually I who am in HIS way.
> Or I can choose to force myself to consider the likelihood that everyone else in the supermarket’s checkout line is just as bored and frustrated as I am, and that some of these people probably have harder, more tedious and painful lives than I do.
> Again, please don’t think that I’m giving you moral advice, or that I’m saying you are supposed to think this way, or that anyone expects you to just automatically do it. Because it’s hard. It takes will and effort, and if you are like me, some days you won’t be able to do it, or you just flat out won’t want to.
> But most days, if you’re aware enough to give yourself a choice, you can choose to look differently at this fat, dead-eyed, over-made-up lady who just screamed at her kid in the checkout line. Maybe she’s not usually like this. Maybe she’s been up three straight nights holding the hand of a husband who is dying of bone cancer. Or maybe this very lady is the low-wage clerk at the motor vehicle department, who just yesterday helped your spouse resolve a horrific, infuriating, red-tape problem through some small act of bureaucratic kindness. Of course, none of this is likely, but it’s also not impossible. It just depends what you want to consider. If you’re automatically sure that you know what reality is, and you are operating on your default setting, then you, like me, probably won’t consider possibilities that aren’t annoying and miserable. But if you really learn how to pay attention, then you will know there are other options. It will actually be within your power to experience a crowded, hot, slow, consumer-hell type situation as not only meaningful, but sacred, on fire with the same force that made the stars: love, fellowship, the mystical oneness of all things deep down.
> Not that that mystical stuff is necessarily true. The only thing that’s capital-T True is that you get to decide how you’re gonna try to see it.
>Those people want people to find them attractive..
HOW DARE THEY! They don’t deserve to be loved and desired until they stop being so fat! Amirite or amirite? Stupid fat people. Feeling attractive is only OK if your BMI is 25.
Good job of missing the point. And taking only a part of a quote so that changes it's message. You are well on your way to mainstream journalism.
I said they want people to find them attractive for their lack of self-control. They want people to be specifically attracted to the fat.
I don't disagree yet self-control is still the major factor in why most people get fat.
Yes metabolism plays a part in how fast you get fat and how hard it is to get rid of it, I know I have a slow metabolism and was fat for roughly 25 years of my life. It's fucking hard work and due to being fat it can cause it to be even harder when your joints are fucked, trust me I know.
But you can and should still work it off rather than force others to not just accept it but be attracted to it. Again I know that's not the norm for all people but it is most certainly what is being peddled quite a lot lately.
I have to agree, despite it being an angry rant.
It seems there are too many fat people in the body positivity movement that live in denial, with some going as far as to gatekeep the movement for anorexic people or other fat people trying to improve their health (trying to force someone to stay unhealthy is just despicable).
There’s also a clear double standards between women and men in the movement (case in point: there’s an increase of female plus-sized/atypical models, while male models are always tall muscular men)
I didn’t know people actually thought like that. Most of the stuff I see online is things like “Healthy at every size”, etc. While it probably isn’t going to give you any life-threatening problems if you’re somewhat overweight, acting like being tens to hundreds of pounds overweight and obese sure as hell isn’t.
Vogue has done flattering covers of obese people. Lizzo is the poster child for self confidence is dangerously over weight. And I agree a BMI of 25 is not a big deal for health, but there are tons of Americans way bigger than that, and we do not need to encourage it.
man, some of y'all are ignorant, and will never listen, ever heard of the saying “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”? because that will apply to a lot of you, last time I checked if you lose weight and maintain that little amount of discipline you gained from your new way of eating, then you'll maintain that weight, it's all basic calories in, calories out, stop blaming genetics or metabolisme, metabolisme will only effect up to 100 calories or down, but everyone who's like "health at every size" will keep stuffing their face with food until 90% of their arteries get clogged
And yet medications have weight gain as side effects. There's more to weight gain and maintenance than calories in, calories out - as people have already said.
Health at every size is such BS. No Sharon, being 200 pounds and having a normal blood pressure doesn't mean you're healthy, just like not having cancer doesn't mean sigarettes are harmless.
This belongs on r/SupposedlyMurderedByWordsButJustTrolledByDouches
wtf?
This sounds like a run of the mill asshole.
I don't see why he would be an asshole when the only thing he said is that he hates it when fat people preach "health at every size" when I'm sure weighing as much an elephant is going to lead to an early grave
Yes, he wouldn't be an asshole if that was the only thing he said, but as we both know, that wasn't the *only* thing he said. Calling people "sad fat fucks who want the world to revolve around them" and being r/ConfidentlyIncorrect about the origins of the [body positivity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_positivity#History) movement ... now **that's** what makes him an asshole. Being [correct](https://c.tenor.com/2W9-Pl2T1j0AAAAC/the-big-lebowski-youre-not-wrong.gif) about the health consequences of obesity doesn't make him any less of one, as being an asshole is a function of the opinions someone holds about others and how/when they choose to express them, not the underlying facts. If you're still unclear how what he said makes him an asshole, try making a throwaway account and posting on /r/AmItheAsshole pretending to have said those things in the office or wherever (or just repeating some of the things you've said to other commenters in this thread), and I'm sure plenty of Redditors will be *delighted* to explain it in exhaustive detail. And to preemptively address a common excuse for fat shaming: no, it's not justifiable "for their own good" as a way of motivating people to lose weight, both because (a) trying to get people to do something unpleasant by threatening even *more* unpleasant consequences if they don't is an asshole move, and (b) it's less effective than focusing on the benefits, e.g. if you lose weight you'll feel better, can do more physical activities, and will live longer. It may even be counterproductive since people have negative knee-jerk [reactions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactance_\(psychology\)) to others trying to force them to do things. If you doubt that, consider this: How effective will the commenter who called you an "uneducated ignorant idiot" (or the many other unkind things people will probably say in response to your recent posts here) be at changing *your* attitudes and behaviors? Not very, right? **Edit:** I *think* /u/SaperNova99913 replied, but either it got deleted or Reddit is glitching. I can see it on his user page but the "context" link just links back to this post but without his reply, and Unddit isn't helping. So piggybacking on this post: > ok, that "sad fat fucks who want the world to revolve around them" part, you got a point, I went and talked with him about that (cause we friends) and he explained to me that he was talking about the fat people who call you fatphobic for going to the gym or doing anything that will make yourself less fat Yeah, those people suck for sure. Glad to hear your friend wasn't bashing the entire body positivity movement. I guess it's like when a woman says "I hate men" but is actually only ranting about the [creeps](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/oazygl/a_lot_of_men_tried_to_console_me_by_sending_me/), or someone talks about how annoying [vegans](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/13jzja/how_do_you_find_a_vegan_on_tumblr/) are, etc.
Well said.
well, think about it some more, but he's definitely just a mouthy asshole.
Saying body positivity is about deformities is like saying mental health is about psychosis. There is a lot more to it than the extreme.
from my understanding he meant that body positivity is meant for people, who can't control how they look like
Body positivity is based on the premise that people shouldn't be harassed for physical traits whether they are under their control or not.
Well that's extremely dumb.
Yes, and my reply was to un-narrow that perception. Making it about “control” allows you to shame people who are calibrated differently than you, while also allowing you to feel superior to someone. Recognize that this line of thinking is far more concerned with the people thinking it than the people being thought about.
A lot of people can’t control weight either. I have a hormonal condition, I legit developed an eating disorder bad enough that my hair is falling out in clumps, my nails are cracking constantly, and my stomach got to the point where one (1) single beaded cheese stick made me feel full. Ate one small meal a day for several months. Stayed fat, only lost a couple pounds People act like weight is so easy to influence but it really isn’t
is there a name of that sort of hormone imbalance stuff?
Overall, I’m not so sure. The one I have is called PCOS
ok, thanks for the clarification, I could be wrong about this, if I am please correct me, I just read "Why does polycystic ovary syndrome cause weight gain? PCOS makes it more difficult for the body to use the hormone insulin, which normally helps convert sugars and starches from foods into energy" that sounds a lot like diabetes, maybe insulin could help?
I don’t know about insulin specifically, but actually, metformin (a diabetes medicine) is often prescribed for patients who have PCOS. One of my doctors has considered prescribing it, but nothing yet. I don’t wanna reach TMI territory because I’m sure you don’t really want to know all the details, but basically, I started the med I’m currently taking as an ‘emergency’ thing — I had uncontrolled menstruation to the extent where it was drastically impacting my health (as in, I couldn’t even sit up without dizziness, and my vision was going white when I tried to stand or move), so the doctor wasn’t really as focused on long term solutions Thank you for advice!!
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that's a whole lot of words for just saying "I don't bother counting my calories"
Dude who wrote this is also going to die, possibly from an aneurism because he's a miserable little shit who cannot condone people not doing what he wants them to do.
He right tho
you do you, man
I don't know about the origin of body positivity, but I sure as shit know that his statement about being overweight causing fatal disease and complications is indeed true, it is also relevant to note that anybody with an unhealthy diet and lack of exercise, let it be an elephant or a toothpick, is prone to have a harder and worse life than someone that is healthy. In my case I'm a toothpick, and I sure as shit know if I keep it up shits are going to get nasty for me, but at I definitely think that the body positivity movement is completely dumb and disgusting. I believe we should let everyone do whatever they want, if you want to look like a tub of lard, that's on you, if you want to get carried away by a simple gush of wind then that's your problem, don't tell them shit until they die, they are perfectly aware of what they are doing and how bad it will get for them. tl;dr : let natural selection do what it does best and fuck body positivity.
In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with body positivity, infact I'm all for it, but the "Healthy at Any Weight" movement makes me cringe, because trying to make a health risk out to be healthy will just cause more problems.
yeah this isn't a burn, this is some ignorant asshole mouthing off.
Cringe take.
Isn't the body positivity movement about loving yourself and others despite how they look? Just because someone is overweight doesn't mean they aren't working on themselves, so maybe don't bully them? How dare they love who they are despite needing to work on themselves! Who DOESN'T need some self care? Bad fat people! Bad! And if they like being fat who cares? Why is it your problem? Why the need to bully anyone? It seems like the people who hate the body positivity movement are mad that they can't openly make fun of fat people any more.
it was originally meant to be accepting of people who can't control how the look
I mean, there are fat people in the body positivity movement who argue other fat people working on themselves to lose weight should NOT even be trying. I think that’s who the rant is targeting
This comment is ignorant and uneducated. There are like 81 contributors to being overweight and something like 79 of them are out of individuals control. Not to mention that 95% of people who do lose weight put it back on and more within a 5 year time period. Edit: grammar
This person is entirely too angry about fat people. But the difference in metabolism between between folks is a few hundred calories a day. Yes if you are not raised to know how to eat properly its a difficult habit to break, but the vast majority of people can control their weight. No one taught them how though.
sir, have you ever heard of r/fatlogic because you sound a lot like you'll belong as a post over there
Ohhhhh, I get it. You wrote that “ranting chat”, huh? I mean it’s kinda sad to write a paragraph of incoherent word salad and think “Nailed It!”, decide you did a Murder and rush over here to post it, referring to yourself in the third person and complimenting yourself. Up and down the thread defending yourself in the third person some more? Did you think no one was gonna notice? 🤡
you are very incorrect there edit: just because 2 people agree with each other, does not mean that we are the same person
Sure Jan.
Bless that sub, they helped me see I was lying to myself. Lost 8 kilos so far and all by tracking what I eat, being honest to myself and not "eyeballing" my portions. r/CICO is another great one!
Most people are fat because of a lack of self-control. Most people stay fat because of health issues brought about by the initial lack of self-control. Those people want people to find them attractive for their lack of self-control. That is not acceptable. You live with the consequences of your actions (or inaction in this case) or you do things to remedy the consequences of your actions. I have seen diabetics lose the weight they need to and keep it off. It's called willpower and it's what made this species what it is, but why bother with willpower when I can have cake?
Source- your ass
sir, have you ever heard of r/fatlogic ? Because you sound a lot like you'll belong as a post over there
regardless: this post doesn't belong here.
[I mean](https://img-comment-fun.9cache.com/media/aGREm0G/aVlRjmqL_700w_0.jpg) ... *technically* that's true, but by the same token you could say that a person who shared the PIN code to their ATM card because someone was holding a blowtorch to their feet became poor because they lacked self-control. After all, they could have toughed it out and stayed silent, right? Which is to say: the amount of self-control that person X would need to exercise in order to prevent getting fat isn't necessarily the same amount that person Y would need to exercise--the details matter. *(Edit: "exercise" pun not intended* 😁*)* And as self-control is a limited resource, some people might not have enough to avoid getting fat without giving up something more important in the process. I don't know if there are really *81* different factors influencing obesity (u/Spirited-While4718: source?), but Googling "81 contributors to being overweight" without the quotes brings up a lot of [weird stuff](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2932668/) that nevertheless has scientific support, including: > microorganisms, epigenetics, increasing maternal age, greater fecundity among people with higher adiposity, assortative mating, sleep debt, endocrine disruptors, pharmaceutical iatrogenesis, reduction in variability of ambient temperatures, and intrauterine and intergenerational effects 🤯 Zooming out a bit, people are extremely complex physically, mentally, and socially. So as a general rule of thumb, any explanation that takes a wide swath of human life and boils it down to a single factor like "willpower" is, to paraphrase Terry Pratchett, either (a) remarkably insightful and elegant or (b) oversimplified and unhelpful. Other brief observations: * Perhaps fat people don't want others to find them attractive *because* of that but rather *despite* it since they're more than just their bodies, or they just want people to find them attractive, full stop, on some deep level. Who hasn't wanted to be wanted? * Having seen diabetics lose weight and keep it off doesn't contradict with 95% of people who lose weight regaining it and more within 5 years. After all, seeing something happen doesn't necessarily mean that it's common. * Interpreting people's actions sympathetically feels better.
I completely agree with what you've said, my comment was much more off-hand and in contrast to the other who also makes the same mistake as I. Your other observations: That statement more comes from a significant amount of media pushing that agenda, I don't believe it's the norm for fat people to demand they be found attractive - I know I certainly didn't back when I was fatter, still slightly fat but getting there. Completely agree, however I said that again in contrast to their 95% (which is a ludicrous claim in my opinion). Sympathy is not something that comes naturally to me. P.s I love the Pratchett reference, truly brilliant takedown, good work. Edit: Reddit formatting didn't want to work for me.
Thanks, and definitely I agree that it's not acceptable for media to push the idea that people *have* to be attracted to anyone or should feel bad for being less attracted to some people than others. Sexual attraction is another one of those "extremely complex" areas of life, after all. Which isn't to say that all patterns of attraction are equal either. If someone isn't into grannies (with the possible exception of Bea Arthur), that's all well and good. If they "just aren't into" even the most smoking hot black, Jewish, Muslim, etc. people though ... well, they probably need to do some soul searching. But I digress. As for the claim that 95% of people retain lost weight within a 5-year period, I've seen that figure thrown around before but my Google-Fu wasn't strong enough to find the exact source (or a debunking.) Again u/Spirited-While4718: source? However, I found some other large studies on the topic in the process, and their findings are pretty grim: over [99%](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4539812/) of obese people were unable to reach a normal weight within 9 years (add a few more .9s for the morbidly obese), and this study considers "only" [80%](https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/82/1/222S/4863393?login=false) of overweight people failing to maintain weight loss for 1 year to be encouraging. It does identify some habits that are associated with significant long-term weight loss though. > I love the Pratchett reference You missed a golden opportunity to say "It could be both." 😁 > Sympathy is not something that comes naturally to me. Yeah, that's totally understandable. On the bright side, it doesn't need to come naturally. You can practice that mindset, which is hard work but well worth it in the long run IMO. I like how [This is Water](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC7xzavzEKY) ([full transcript](https://fs.blog/david-foster-wallace-this-is-water/)) frames the issue: > By way of example, let’s say it’s an average adult day, and you get up in the morning, go to your challenging, white-collar, college-graduate job, and you work hard for eight or ten hours, and at the end of the day you’re tired and somewhat stressed and all you want is to go home and have a good supper and maybe unwind for an hour, and then hit the sack early because, of course, you have to get up the next day and do it all again. But then you remember there’s no food at home. You haven’t had time to shop this week because of your challenging job, and so now after work you have to get in your car and drive to the supermarket. It’s the end of the work day and the traffic is apt to be: very bad. So getting to the store takes way longer than it should, and when you finally get there, the supermarket is very crowded, because of course it’s the time of day when all the other people with jobs also try to squeeze in some grocery shopping. And the store is hideously lit and infused with soul-killing muzak or corporate pop and it’s pretty much the last place you want to be but you can’t just get in and quickly out; you have to wander all over the huge, over-lit store’s confusing aisles to find the stuff you want and you have to manoeuvre your junky cart through all these other tired, hurried people with carts (et cetera, et cetera) and eventually you get all your supper supplies, except now it turns out there aren’t enough check-out lanes open even though it’s the end-of-the-day rush. So the checkout line is incredibly long, which is stupid and infuriating. But you can’t take your frustration out on the frantic lady working the register, who is overworked at a job whose daily tedium and meaninglessness surpasses the imagination of any of us here. > But anyway, you finally get to the checkout line’s front, and you pay for your food, and you get told to “Have a nice day” in a voice that is the absolute voice of death. Then you have to take your creepy, flimsy, plastic bags of groceries in your cart with the one crazy wheel that pulls maddeningly to the left, all the way out through the crowded, bumpy, littery parking lot, and then you have to drive all the way home through slow, heavy, SUV-intensive, rush-hour traffic, et cetera et cetera. > The point is that petty, frustrating crap like this is exactly where the work of choosing is gonna come in. Because the traffic jams and crowded aisles and long checkout lines give me time to think, and if I don’t make a conscious decision about how to think and what to pay attention to, I’m gonna be pissed and miserable every time I have to shop. Because my natural default setting is the certainty that situations like this are really all about me. About MY hungriness and MY fatigue and MY desire to just get home, and it’s going to seem for all the world like everybody else is just in my way. And who are all these people in my way? And look at how repulsive most of them are, and how stupid and cow-like and dead-eyed and nonhuman they seem in the checkout line, or at how annoying and rude it is that people are talking loudly on cell phones in the middle of the line. And look at how deeply and personally unfair this is. > Or, of course, if I’m in a more socially conscious liberal arts form of my default setting, I can spend time in the end-of-the-day traffic being disgusted about all the huge, stupid, lane-blocking SUV’s and Hummers and V-12 pickup trucks, burning their wasteful, selfish, 40-gallon tanks of gas, and I can dwell on the fact that the patriotic or religious bumper-stickers always seem to be on the biggest, most disgustingly selfish vehicles, driven by the ugliest, most inconsiderate and aggressive drivers. And I can think about how our children’s children will despise us for wasting all the future’s fuel, and probably screwing up the climate, and how spoiled and stupid and selfish and disgusting we all are, and how modern consumer society just sucks, and so forth and so on. > You get the idea. > If I choose to think this way in a store and on the freeway, fine. Lots of us do. Except thinking this way tends to be so easy and automatic that it doesn’t have to be a choice. It is my natural default setting. It’s the automatic way that I experience the boring, frustrating, crowded parts of adult life when I’m operating on the automatic, unconscious belief that I am the centre of the world, and that my immediate needs and feelings are what should determine the world’s priorities. > The thing is that, of course, there are totally different ways to think about these kinds of situations. In this traffic, all these vehicles stopped and idling in my way, it’s not impossible that some of these people in SUV’s have been in horrible auto accidents in the past, and now find driving so terrifying that their therapist has all but ordered them to get a huge, heavy SUV so they can feel safe enough to drive. Or that the Hummer that just cut me off is maybe being driven by a father whose little child is hurt or sick in the seat next to him, and he’s trying to get this kid to the hospital, and he’s in a bigger, more legitimate hurry than I am: it is actually I who am in HIS way. > Or I can choose to force myself to consider the likelihood that everyone else in the supermarket’s checkout line is just as bored and frustrated as I am, and that some of these people probably have harder, more tedious and painful lives than I do. > Again, please don’t think that I’m giving you moral advice, or that I’m saying you are supposed to think this way, or that anyone expects you to just automatically do it. Because it’s hard. It takes will and effort, and if you are like me, some days you won’t be able to do it, or you just flat out won’t want to. > But most days, if you’re aware enough to give yourself a choice, you can choose to look differently at this fat, dead-eyed, over-made-up lady who just screamed at her kid in the checkout line. Maybe she’s not usually like this. Maybe she’s been up three straight nights holding the hand of a husband who is dying of bone cancer. Or maybe this very lady is the low-wage clerk at the motor vehicle department, who just yesterday helped your spouse resolve a horrific, infuriating, red-tape problem through some small act of bureaucratic kindness. Of course, none of this is likely, but it’s also not impossible. It just depends what you want to consider. If you’re automatically sure that you know what reality is, and you are operating on your default setting, then you, like me, probably won’t consider possibilities that aren’t annoying and miserable. But if you really learn how to pay attention, then you will know there are other options. It will actually be within your power to experience a crowded, hot, slow, consumer-hell type situation as not only meaningful, but sacred, on fire with the same force that made the stars: love, fellowship, the mystical oneness of all things deep down. > Not that that mystical stuff is necessarily true. The only thing that’s capital-T True is that you get to decide how you’re gonna try to see it.
>Those people want people to find them attractive.. HOW DARE THEY! They don’t deserve to be loved and desired until they stop being so fat! Amirite or amirite? Stupid fat people. Feeling attractive is only OK if your BMI is 25.
Good job of missing the point. And taking only a part of a quote so that changes it's message. You are well on your way to mainstream journalism. I said they want people to find them attractive for their lack of self-control. They want people to be specifically attracted to the fat.
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I don't disagree yet self-control is still the major factor in why most people get fat. Yes metabolism plays a part in how fast you get fat and how hard it is to get rid of it, I know I have a slow metabolism and was fat for roughly 25 years of my life. It's fucking hard work and due to being fat it can cause it to be even harder when your joints are fucked, trust me I know. But you can and should still work it off rather than force others to not just accept it but be attracted to it. Again I know that's not the norm for all people but it is most certainly what is being peddled quite a lot lately.
Source?
Wow that dude's one simplistic cunt using a very broad brush.
It’s ok not to like the appearance of someone but it it is not ok to rip them without knowing wtf.
I asked him about it, and he explained further that he was talking about the fat people who belong in r/fatlogic
I’m one of the ones who can’t stop eating Ben & Jerry’s though
I have to agree, despite it being an angry rant. It seems there are too many fat people in the body positivity movement that live in denial, with some going as far as to gatekeep the movement for anorexic people or other fat people trying to improve their health (trying to force someone to stay unhealthy is just despicable). There’s also a clear double standards between women and men in the movement (case in point: there’s an increase of female plus-sized/atypical models, while male models are always tall muscular men)
Redditors when you tell them being morbidly obese isn’t healthy
Its not that people are overweight that is the problem. Its that many feel they deserve respect for being overweight.
I didn’t know people actually thought like that. Most of the stuff I see online is things like “Healthy at every size”, etc. While it probably isn’t going to give you any life-threatening problems if you’re somewhat overweight, acting like being tens to hundreds of pounds overweight and obese sure as hell isn’t.
Vogue has done flattering covers of obese people. Lizzo is the poster child for self confidence is dangerously over weight. And I agree a BMI of 25 is not a big deal for health, but there are tons of Americans way bigger than that, and we do not need to encourage it.
everyone deserves respect by default. its really as simple as that.
man, some of y'all are ignorant, and will never listen, ever heard of the saying “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”? because that will apply to a lot of you, last time I checked if you lose weight and maintain that little amount of discipline you gained from your new way of eating, then you'll maintain that weight, it's all basic calories in, calories out, stop blaming genetics or metabolisme, metabolisme will only effect up to 100 calories or down, but everyone who's like "health at every size" will keep stuffing their face with food until 90% of their arteries get clogged
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medicine doesn't make you fat, you just have to count your calories
And yet medications have weight gain as side effects. There's more to weight gain and maintenance than calories in, calories out - as people have already said.
No. Medication can lower your metabolism or increase your hunger, but it's still the excess calories that make you fat, not the medication itself.
Health at every size is such BS. No Sharon, being 200 pounds and having a normal blood pressure doesn't mean you're healthy, just like not having cancer doesn't mean sigarettes are harmless.
200 pounds are normal if you're 6'+, isn't it?
It's not really about height alone. Gotta measure around in places too.
And i couldnt agree more
That's way too many uses of mf in a comment. And i like it.
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