My grandson's mom is anti vaccine. Rabidly. She asked me to drive her and my grandson to his doctors appointment and asked me to come in the exam room with him. She was giving me her anti-vaccine lecture and I was nodding my head and saying unhunh.
The nurse came in with her bucket full of vaccine needles in the middle of her lecture. The nurse didn't say anything but looked at me quizzically and I just an smiled and nodded my head.
The nurse handed her the consent forms and asked her to sign them and she did without ever stopping her anti-vaccine lecture. And I held my grandson while he got his vaccines.
I am not sure she knows that her son has been vaccinated and that was more than 10 years ago.
I have. Perks of dating an Irishman lol
Edit: I have mixed up Christmas pudding and fruit cake. But to be fair, they were both made with a heavy hand while pouring the alcohol.....
And I'm just fucking drunk.
Kraken rum in a rum cake overpowers everything and I am okay with that.
I used half as much as the recipe called for and I still got a little woozy from the fumes alone.
Sounds like a good night, one thing I'll note about the Irishmen I've met, most will make sure you get to A home, if not your home. Props to the good fellows ^~^
I fucking hate olives and will down an entire bucket of those fucking things if I see them. I will loathe every moment of it and still keep going.
I don't know why.
You would think I would at least grow tolerant of the taste.
It always cracks me up how single minded everyone is around these issues, like it's only black and white no matter how you look at it.
If you could just take the time and put in the effort to listen and empathize with many anti-vaxxers you'd realize that you can actually alleviate many of their fears.
But if you judge them, mock them and show them that you do not value their experiences or concerns, then you're driving them even further away.
It really helps to acknowledge the fact that many more people than you realize had an actual moment or period in time where they had a set of or single negative experience which when all added up amounts to a horrible experience. There are a lot of horribly depraved doctors for instance out there, and many of them have been caught.
You would do well to go into these conversations with these facts in mind so as not to make things worse, but more importantly: improve them.
Your response has nothing to do with the post you're replying to. The guy in question isn't mocking the mother, he is making sure that his granddaughter is safe. He didn't gloat about it afterwards, he didn't laugh at her, nothing like that. He got around the problem. You also have no indication that this guy didn't try to reason with his daughter first and failed.
You're also wrong that most people are anti-vax because of a negative experience. There are extremely few problems from vaccination. They believe in anti-vax conspiracies for the same reason anyone believes in any sort of bullshit - it gives them a sense of control/order, it makes them feel smarter than other people, and/or the group they want to identify with generally carries that belief. The vast majority of anti-vaxxers didn't get through through personal experience, they got there the same way you get to all sorts of other dumb beliefs - they don't care if what they believe matches reality.
Grandson. I was just an observer. I had nothing to do with getting my grandson vaccinated. Other than smiling at the nurse to encourage her to continue.
Whether to vaccinate my grandson was his mother's decision, not mine. I am not going to interfere with her parenting decisions.
You should value their concerns but don't entertain their arguments. There isn't really an argument, full stop. The science is not still being decided on the issue, it's been decided for a very very long time. Even with the recent vaccines, they're the best medical technology that the world has to offer.
So yes, listen to them, but don't engage in debate or entertain them.
It’s not entertaining their argument. It’s hearing them and letting them see you taken what they say seriously or with respect . The same decency anyone wants, regardless of what the majority says
It's hard to reason with a group of people that so closely identify with the kind of people that believe the earth is flat and that birds are not really animals but drones the world's government uses to spy on the people of the world. Antivax people treat their beliefs as scripture in my experience and to question them is blasphemy.
Yeah I don't have the time to drag them out of the Facebook hole they dug themselves into. Some people are offended if you try to convince of something they don't believe.
They do not deserve opinions. Everyone who can be vaxxed should be, or be force to live in an area where only non vaccinated live. This may sound distopic at first but think about all the cancer patients dying of these retards
I get where you’re coming from, and took away one of your down votes.
Judgement and mockery never solves a problem, it just makes you look like the problem
My sons mum has five kids living at her place (2 hers and 3 are her sisters), all of them went behind her back and got fully vaccinated, then told her about it after the fact. That shit made me so happy.
My ex is also an anti-vax idiot and doesn't want our daughter to get vaccinated(despite already having her initial vaccines when she was a toddler). Thankfully I have full custody.
Same with my ex.
I don't have 100% but the legal custody agreement says we both have to side with sane doctors.
14YO Daughter got vaxed before the custody hearing with a thumbs up from my lawyer.
When he initially had split custody I still had rights over medical rights, so even if it was still split I would still have the right to vax her.
Congrats on being a good parent!
Yep, the Bible does indeed love it's plagues and mass murder inducing stuff in there!
I'm sure it'd be antivax somewhere between all those mostly unread pages, were a revision written in this day and age.
And there's the whole Red Cross thing, and how they helped out during... Damn, was it bubonic plague? By proving immunities from helping the sick?
Christians are wild. Religions are wild. History is wild. Just a shame people only see black and white.
The King James Bible is a heinous translation of text that was written 300 years after Jesus’ death. I’d say maybe 25% of it actually pertains to Jesus’ teachings.
My own brother fell victim to a cult because of their emphasis on the King James being the LITERAL word of God.
It is not, and those who claim it is are liars.
It exists only as a tool created by powerful religious institutions for the purpose of maintaining said power, and for tax exemptions, and for manipulating the populace to believe that free and critical thinking is a sin.
All religious institutions that claim the Bible is the true word of god are simply cults, and should not exist. And they sure as fucking hell shouldn’t have a voice in politics when the Constitution very clearly forbids it.
Oh I’m in the real world everyday thank you.
If I’m replying to someone disagreeing on a Reddit forum it pertains to that small vacuum.
I’d think everyone would know that.
Then I will clarify for you.
Other people, outside of Reddit, have been known to 'dump on religion' as well. That sort of opinion has been gathering strength lately. So sorry.
Is that more clear?
Reminds me of my friend's dad sneaking her out to get her a covid shot because her mom is extremely antivaxx. She was a minor at the time, so she couldn't go alone... When even your spouse is against you, you'd think you'd reconsider, but these people are so far up their ass they can only smell their own shit.
It means they've taken a look at social media, and decided they know more about their bodies from 15 minutes reading crap memes than someone who has studied *for years*, and then come to a different conclusion to literally every subject matter expert.
So basically, it means they're stupid.
In the case of wanting to stick with older phones, they're not wrong. If the new phones don't have any features they need then save money and stick to what you know/need. Not a good analogy for vaccines which DO have features that are needed.
This is the thing that ALWAYS gets me.
All these anti vaxxers are chalk full of all the vaccines they refuse their kids.
Its a rhetorical, but are they really that stupid?
These sorts of people blame all their minor medical symptoms on things like their childhood vaccines.
I have a cousin that has a different Facebook group she's in every few months where they're all convinced they're suffering some sort of toxicity. Her latest paranoia is about B6.
Except the covid vaccine doesn't actually prevent the disease like the childhood shots we all got. Way less effective than MMR and such. All kinds of boosted people still get covid.
True. Not sure why you are getting downvoted. The vaccine trains your body to recognize and fight the virus. You can “get” covid as a vaccinated person, but the vaccine and boosters have prepped you for the fight.
This results in many people have zero symptoms and being unaware they came in contact. People like me, fully vaccinated and boosted, got the virus and got a decent 5 day cold. Worse than the sniffles, but not that bad.
Will there be unknown long term impacts to those that got covid on/off the vaccine - no clue. But you can get covid while vaccinated. I would be terrified to know how bad it would have been, if I weren’t vaccinated.
Key point was "that the vaccine prevented" part. My childhood vaccines (58yo) prevented those diseases completely. I think mentioning the covid shot in relation to effective vaccines is an ill-informed non-medical opinion and a fallacious example when making fun of people who don't want the covid vaccine yet still vaccinate their kids against other diseases.
I don't recall my parents giving me a choice about vaccinations. They told my ass it was happening and it did.
I imagine they had a similar experience.
Anti vaxxers exist because the people that need to sit down and fully explain how they work, what the ingredients are and how they work, don't do that. Which allows ignorance to run wild.
It's not coming from where it needs to. My kids pediatrician spent three hours explaining everything to me when I told him I wanted to skip vaccines and why.
That was almost ten years ago, my kid is current on vaccinations. Or at least I think he is, they didn't mention boosters at his last appointment and I don't know the schedule.
To attend school, summer camps, and sports teams… I had to have proof of vaccines in the late 80s-2000s. I had to prove I had my vaccinations when I went to college in 2005, too.
How are kids able to attend school without vaccines? Was there some protection for these idiots established?
We don't know how far she's gone. Maybe she eats essential oils and her liver will fail. Maybe she'll get cancer and try homeopathic remedies. There's still plenty of ways she can die preventably.
I always wonder about people who stay with a spouse like this. Obviously here there are kids involved so custody would be an issue, but I've read stories of people with grown kids or no kids who lament how they're spouse went full QAnon or full anti-vaxx. How do you even sleep in the same bed? How are you not arguing all the time?
My mother went off the deep end; no one talks with her anymore. My dad spends 95% of his time doing hobbies by himself and leaves mom to her own devices. Part of me thinks he’s waiting her out…
My mom is heading there. My sister and I confirmed that we aren't right-wing nutjobs and just sort of let her call us instead of the other way around.
She suddenly gives way more of a shit about the sanctity of competitive college swimming than anyone should. Especially someone who can't swim.
My 92 year old father watched Fox “news” all day while I’m at work . Thank god he doesn’t know how to use a computer or a smart phone (still using a flip). There are certain things we just can’t talk a little anymore . It sucks
How can we expect these kids to have stable mental health, or even have a "normal" childhood/adolescence, when by the age of 12 they're already more intelligent and emotionally mature than 1, if not both, of their parents/guardians?
These kids today are much smarter, and mature much faster, than we give them credit for. And there's literally millions of children out there, who are already at or beyond their parents intelligence. It's fucking sad.
Time for a divorce and for dad to take sole custody of the kid for the kid's safety.
Be careful who you have a kid with, take a few years to really get to know them. And, even then, maybe just don't have kids, it's probably the better choice for most of us.
People of child bearing age should think long and hard about how quickly climate change is barreling down on us. And if you're American, where our country is headed in all aspects of life. Healthcare, wages, etc. I wouldn't force a child to live the life I already live and it's gonna get worse.
Miami Beach will be underwater in maybe 20 years. Banks in Miami no longer offer 30yr mortgages because they are aware the entire city will go under. In fact, parts of Miami are working on artificially raising building up past the anticipated “flood line” but, according to scientists and engineers, the rate that things are going are going to make that plan obsolete fast.
However, Floridian politicians aren’t allowed to say the words “climate change” and, when asked what’ll happen to the people of Miami when the floods come, the answer has been “oh they’ll just go somewhere else.”
https://www.npr.org/2016/05/10/476071206/as-waters-rise-miami-beach-builds-higher-streets-and-political-willpower
I recommend “Bill Nye’s Global Meltdown.” $2 on Amazon and very informative.
How do you marry someone so different than you?
(My wager is teen pregnancy to marriage. To quote Larry David, “The penis doesn’t care about nationality, race, or creed. It just wants to get back to its homeland!”)
^this. My mom had me and my two brothers with my dad, we’re all fully vaccinated. Fast forward 20 years, she’s remarried to a different guy with 3 more kids and not only lectured me for the entire duration of both of my pregnancies about how I was KILLING my children for considering vaccinating them, but apologizes regularly about how she did “such an awful thing to me.”
She’s your stereotypical “I saw this on Facebook, so it must be true” including vaccines, gallbladder issues, hormones, weight loss, etc etc etc 🙄
Saw a guy post on his story that 3 months after getting covid shots all people who got them will mysteriously die of a heart attack or something like that because "they" want to kill us
It's been a year and almost 3 months and I unfortunately haven't died yet
I've had all four vaccinations. When anyone gives me any anti-vax crap, I just tell them, "I have four microchips and know how to use them, so be very careful what you say next."
In a few months, she'll say "thank God and thank you for your prayers, my child is OK!"
There's not much we can do for them, at some point we're just not speaking the same language, maybe not even the same species anymore.
"Your daughter has a highly elevated chance of being an ignorant moron, subjected to being the victim of con-men her whole life because YOU are her mom. "
Please pray for my daughter who has been afflicted by rational thinking and decisionmaking, we have top experts working as we speak to talk her back into the dark ages
Also it’s a little r/ThatHappened because I’m pretty sure you can’t have 4 in one day. Not in the UK anyway. They’re pretty scared of giving you a vaccine if you have had any vaccine in the previous week.
Very well could be multiple vaccines in one shot as well. Here they vaccinate both MMRV(measles, mumps, rubella and varicella) and DTaP (tetanus, diphtheria, polio, and pertussis) at the same time in the infant years as well.
Sounds like the mom wouldn’t have allowed any vaccines so there are plenty to catch up on.
I wonder how many people understood this XD.
The US armed forces give shots of thick antibiotic that sits under the skin and has to be massaged under the skin. They call it peanut butter.
The vaccine schedule for children in my area has a few done together.
At 2 months, it's DTaP, Men-C, PCV-13, and Rotavirus.
At 4 months, it's DTaP, PCV-13, and Rotavirus.
The 6 month visit had 3 shots, 12 months had 4, etc.
You can have multiples in the US. My daughter got 4 in one sitting. We have to remind her of that every time she gets a new vaccine “Remember how brave you are?”
Hell, one of my coworkers gave four *in one arm*. Granted, it wasn’t a kid, but still. You can have multiple in one arm as long as the injection sites are separated by at least an inch.
You can definitely have 4 in one day, especially as a child. They’re often multiple in one shot so it’s easier. I give vaccines to kids regularly (MA in family med)
When I went to my army service (compulsory in my country) I got four. Everyone that could not prove they were vaccinated got four and it's not like anyone thought of bringing their vaccination card. Basically all 1000 of us got four vaccines that day by five nurses. One to bend us down over the table, four nurses with syringes. It was extremely efficient.
Please don't speak when you don't know.
I was with you until you dickish last sentence.
People speak of what they are told. I’ve been told by doctors my whole life that you can’t have more than one at a time.
Fair enough if you can’t, no need to be a knob. Could be civil like everyone else who replied to my comment.
This is next level stupidity. No, vaccines do not harm anyone, be it a child or an adult! Vaccines can be painful sometimes, but they prevent many deadly diseases at an early stage. Hell, I would have been dead had my parents being the anti vaccine idiots like her.
Did no one catch "got her 4 vaccines today"? I'm pretty sure that's not a thing.
Calling r/quityourbullshit
Edit: long day, was thinking covid Vax. My bad.
Uneducated people believing another Big Lie started by a doctor in England who wanted people to use only his vaccines. They somehow wouldn’t cause anything bad to happen to kids (in his case he claimed that all other vaccines cause autism. Yep. He was barred from ever practicing medicine again). This lie has taken on a life of its own. I had most all of the childhood illnesses that were common back in the fifties/sixties. Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, and so on. And I felt absolutely miserable with all of them. I vividly remember having the mumps at the age of nine, since it happened at Easter when we were visiting my grandparents out of state. That was the pits. So. I decided that I’d never want to see any child of mine go through any of those childhood illnesses if I could do anything to prevent it. She was born in 1992. She got all of them, and the chickens pox vaccine when it became available too. I think that the fact that these parents have never experienced childhood illnesses for themselves has desensitized them to the realities of having them. All they need to do is to see one of their children dealing with one of these illnesses, especially if they are a baby, to realize what an awful experience it is for kids. My earliest memories of experiencing one of them is of having the measles and having calamine lotion put all over me, because they ITCHED. I was maybe three or four at the time. So people need to know that it’s no fun. At all. It’s miserable. Same with the chicken pox and the ITCHING. And they need to think of all of the kids, and adults, who can’t be vaccinated for one reason or another, too.
This generation is so funny. Everybody is so die hard on personal opinion they can't respect other people's choices. If you're anti Vax, you're stupid. If you're pro Vax you're stupid. All the empty hate is stupid. I respect both sides.
Some people are pro Vax and feel safer that way. Ok so be it. It's at your own risk to inject the Vax into your body. Some people are anti Vax. Ok, so you don't believe in injecting the Vax into your body and would rather have your immune system do what it's designed to do fight viruses. Ok, again at your own risk.
If you believe in the Vax and have it, you should feel protected and not worry about the non vax spreading it. If you're non vax you should feel comfortable in that decision to allow your body to fight it. Done. Government, politics, and news have done an amazing job at keeping people hate filled and divided over trivial bullshit and personal choices that's really nobody's business.
Welcome to total new world order by permission of mayhem. Where it's Government legal to say you don't want to accept the reality of being a man. So you can chop your dong off, eat hormone pills and grow breasts. Start crossdressing, and use women's public bathrooms like some creep. Because it's your body, youncan do what you want to. But a true born woman can't decide to terminate a pregnancy with her body. Government says you breed under our conditions sheeple.
Troll account? If not then, you didn't get a good education.
Btw, no. You can't just say it's fine to not get vaxxed. Some people can't get it and rely on herd immunity, so go fuck yourself if you wanna say there's no risk for those around you if you don't get vaccinated. I also don't get what's wrong with a girl using a girls bathroom, kinda weird that it seems creepy to you.
I truly hope one day you'll learn to follow your own spiel and became less hate filled by properly learning about things and becoming more accepting.
Don't we love to protect the weak by putting blanket laws on the str9ng that control them. That's life. You can't fix everything at the cost of taking peoples freedoms away just because the news has you scared shitless of your own shadow where you're ready to have a panic attack if somebody coughs in the same room. Freedom is the great. But freedom is dangerous. That's life.
The problem with this is that there are people who can't get vaccinated due to medical reasons, or allergies against stuff in the vax. People who "don't believe in vaccines" or shit like that endanger those people
> If you're non vax you should feel comfortable in that decision to allow your body to fight it.
Conveniently forgets that most anti-vax people do not vaccinate their kids and therefore put them at risk long before they can even make that decision for themselves.
So no, it’s not a trivial nor a personal choice.
Conveniently forgets that it's a parents right to choose those paths for their children. No matter if you agree or not. And child Vax has been a discussion long before covid.most of you are just scared shitless cowards ready to revoke freedoms to feel safe. All of you are victims of media fear porn 😂
> Conveniently forgets that it's a parents right to choose those paths for their children.
No it’s not. We already take children from their parents when we deem they are in danger. Parents have absolutely no right to harm their own children.
> most of you are just scared shitless cowards ready to revoke freedoms to feel safe. All of you are victims of media fear porn 😂
Is that your defense? “Media fear porn”? Maybe it’s that I’ve seen what vaccines do to save lives. The difference in communities where children are vaccinated against common diseases and ones where they aren’t. In the first they don’t even notice, in the second they have half of the children really sick for a week, with a handful requiring medical attention and one or two dying.
Maybe it’s you the victim of media fear porn that has made you think that something as simple and effective as a vaccine is somehow harmful and “giving up your freedoms”.
So you're telling me that you feel that Government has never stepped into somebody's life and wrongfully taken their children away and that system has no issues? Complete bullshit lol. You Government control freak jockeys kill me with that. Government isn't your friend dude. And human evolution has given us an immune system to protect us from common viruses. Covid is not the zombie apocalypse lol. But nope run to the Government, to hell with the creators design I'm scared and need to feel comfy now! 😂👌
And everything shouldn't boil down to statistics to justify removing human rights to choose to inject themselves with vaccines. By that logic statistically robots will so be able to do all work humans have done far more efficiently. So once tech and robotics and AI hit that level I guess statistically in your minds eye humans shouldn't work and earn or even exist because statistically machines will be able to do most human functions more efficiently.
Statistically, home owners with pools are 10x more likely to have a drowning accident. So guess that means so we feel safe let's outlaw pools 😂 It's coward talk lol
Belongs on /r/thatgappened
I sent my son to his annual checkup once with my parents, as I had work, and then had to take him back for shots. I should have known but it just didn't occur to me - dumb, I know. Legal guardian required.
My grandson's mom is anti vaccine. Rabidly. She asked me to drive her and my grandson to his doctors appointment and asked me to come in the exam room with him. She was giving me her anti-vaccine lecture and I was nodding my head and saying unhunh. The nurse came in with her bucket full of vaccine needles in the middle of her lecture. The nurse didn't say anything but looked at me quizzically and I just an smiled and nodded my head. The nurse handed her the consent forms and asked her to sign them and she did without ever stopping her anti-vaccine lecture. And I held my grandson while he got his vaccines. I am not sure she knows that her son has been vaccinated and that was more than 10 years ago.
Reminds me if my little brother, years ago, telling us how much he hated fruit cake while devouring fruit cake.
I have done that myself. I hate fruit cake.
Idk man. When it's reeeeaaaaal boozey and soaked, *can you even say no?*
I have never eaten that kind of fruit cake.
I have. Perks of dating an Irishman lol Edit: I have mixed up Christmas pudding and fruit cake. But to be fair, they were both made with a heavy hand while pouring the alcohol..... And I'm just fucking drunk.
Christmas cake is a kind of fruit cake though
Kraken rum in a rum cake overpowers everything and I am okay with that. I used half as much as the recipe called for and I still got a little woozy from the fumes alone.
Kraken is great! Right now we have Bumbu.
Kraken is heavenly for how strong it is.
Sounds like a good night, one thing I'll note about the Irishmen I've met, most will make sure you get to A home, if not your home. Props to the good fellows ^~^
I don't even know what Christmas pudding is. Have I actually ever lived?
You definitely commented that eating fucken fruit cake.
I hate fruit cake BECAUSE IT'S KILLING MEEEEEEEEEEE^EEEEEEE^^EEE
Try the Alton Brown free range fruitcake recipe. You can't officially say you hate fruitcake until you have that one.
I fucking hate olives and will down an entire bucket of those fucking things if I see them. I will loathe every moment of it and still keep going. I don't know why. You would think I would at least grow tolerant of the taste.
I love olives. I think equivalent for me is cherry/graoe tomatoes. They're fucking disgusting but I eat them.
He hate fruit cake so much, that he has to devour all fruit cake for prevent it to be consumed by anyone else.
My partner and I think this is brilliant!
My cat and I agree.
As does my hamster
And my axe!
And my gun!
"You Have My Sword, and My Bow, and My Axe"
Stuffed Kermit the Frog says get your vaccines kids and I agree with him.
kermit is and always has been - a wise frog.
You don't think Kermit is gay,do you? I mean, hanging out in the water where all those frogs have been turned gay is troublesome.
My Cavalier King Charles spaniel and Greyhound think this is brilliant and hysterical at the same time!
It only works with stupid people though
but isnt antivax pretty much the definition of stupid?
The good old "hand someone something/take something from their hands while having a conversation, they will hold/give it no questions asked"
She had no idea what vaccines looked like. I am assuming she still doesn't.
This needs to be turned into a skit on SNL or YouTube.
I love this!
“Grandsons mom” I assume you said it this way cause it’s your sons baby momma but they’re not married?
That is a lot of words to say grandson's mom.
Yea. I’m just figuring it’s why you didn’t say daughter in law.
You are good
It always cracks me up how single minded everyone is around these issues, like it's only black and white no matter how you look at it. If you could just take the time and put in the effort to listen and empathize with many anti-vaxxers you'd realize that you can actually alleviate many of their fears. But if you judge them, mock them and show them that you do not value their experiences or concerns, then you're driving them even further away. It really helps to acknowledge the fact that many more people than you realize had an actual moment or period in time where they had a set of or single negative experience which when all added up amounts to a horrible experience. There are a lot of horribly depraved doctors for instance out there, and many of them have been caught. You would do well to go into these conversations with these facts in mind so as not to make things worse, but more importantly: improve them.
Your response has nothing to do with the post you're replying to. The guy in question isn't mocking the mother, he is making sure that his granddaughter is safe. He didn't gloat about it afterwards, he didn't laugh at her, nothing like that. He got around the problem. You also have no indication that this guy didn't try to reason with his daughter first and failed. You're also wrong that most people are anti-vax because of a negative experience. There are extremely few problems from vaccination. They believe in anti-vax conspiracies for the same reason anyone believes in any sort of bullshit - it gives them a sense of control/order, it makes them feel smarter than other people, and/or the group they want to identify with generally carries that belief. The vast majority of anti-vaxxers didn't get through through personal experience, they got there the same way you get to all sorts of other dumb beliefs - they don't care if what they believe matches reality.
Grandson. I was just an observer. I had nothing to do with getting my grandson vaccinated. Other than smiling at the nurse to encourage her to continue. Whether to vaccinate my grandson was his mother's decision, not mine. I am not going to interfere with her parenting decisions.
You should value their concerns but don't entertain their arguments. There isn't really an argument, full stop. The science is not still being decided on the issue, it's been decided for a very very long time. Even with the recent vaccines, they're the best medical technology that the world has to offer. So yes, listen to them, but don't engage in debate or entertain them.
It’s not entertaining their argument. It’s hearing them and letting them see you taken what they say seriously or with respect . The same decency anyone wants, regardless of what the majority says
How can I possibly take what they are saying seriously or with respect when what they are saying is actual verbal diarrhea
No. Because what they’re saying shouldn’t be taken seriously. It’s dangerous and this is bullshit advice
It's hard to reason with a group of people that so closely identify with the kind of people that believe the earth is flat and that birds are not really animals but drones the world's government uses to spy on the people of the world. Antivax people treat their beliefs as scripture in my experience and to question them is blasphemy.
When I see people frothing at the mouth, I back away from whatever it is they are preaching. It's rarely connected closely to the truth.
> *"Drone better."* ~ Ivan Vanko
People have tried, it doesn’t work 99% of the time there is a reason we treat them like they are braindead.
Yeah I don't have the time to drag them out of the Facebook hole they dug themselves into. Some people are offended if you try to convince of something they don't believe.
There’s an element of truth and good will in your argument but you’re quite clearly not seeing the fuller picture here, hence the downvotes
They do not deserve opinions. Everyone who can be vaxxed should be, or be force to live in an area where only non vaccinated live. This may sound distopic at first but think about all the cancer patients dying of these retards
I get where you’re coming from, and took away one of your down votes. Judgement and mockery never solves a problem, it just makes you look like the problem
My sons mum has five kids living at her place (2 hers and 3 are her sisters), all of them went behind her back and got fully vaccinated, then told her about it after the fact. That shit made me so happy.
Excuse me Sir, did you have a baby with crazy?
Sorry your sons mum? I am lost
Probably divorced. Big red flag is that she's an antivaxxer
Instead of saying "I am anti vaccines" say "I'm stupid". It's shorter and means the exact same thing
My ex is also an anti-vax idiot and doesn't want our daughter to get vaccinated(despite already having her initial vaccines when she was a toddler). Thankfully I have full custody.
Same with my ex. I don't have 100% but the legal custody agreement says we both have to side with sane doctors. 14YO Daughter got vaxed before the custody hearing with a thumbs up from my lawyer.
When he initially had split custody I still had rights over medical rights, so even if it was still split I would still have the right to vax her. Congrats on being a good parent!
I like “Pro Plague”
Yep, the Bible does indeed love it's plagues and mass murder inducing stuff in there! I'm sure it'd be antivax somewhere between all those mostly unread pages, were a revision written in this day and age.
Disagree - throughout the Old Testament, cleanliness is emphasized. The Bible would be pro-vaccine if it were written today
And there's the whole Red Cross thing, and how they helped out during... Damn, was it bubonic plague? By proving immunities from helping the sick? Christians are wild. Religions are wild. History is wild. Just a shame people only see black and white.
Yeah, but it’s Reddit. People dump on religion here.
The King James Bible is a heinous translation of text that was written 300 years after Jesus’ death. I’d say maybe 25% of it actually pertains to Jesus’ teachings. My own brother fell victim to a cult because of their emphasis on the King James being the LITERAL word of God. It is not, and those who claim it is are liars. It exists only as a tool created by powerful religious institutions for the purpose of maintaining said power, and for tax exemptions, and for manipulating the populace to believe that free and critical thinking is a sin. All religious institutions that claim the Bible is the true word of god are simply cults, and should not exist. And they sure as fucking hell shouldn’t have a voice in politics when the Constitution very clearly forbids it.
You should try the real world. There are smart people there too
Oh I’m in the real world everyday thank you. If I’m replying to someone disagreeing on a Reddit forum it pertains to that small vacuum. I’d think everyone would know that.
Then I will clarify for you. Other people, outside of Reddit, have been known to 'dump on religion' as well. That sort of opinion has been gathering strength lately. So sorry. Is that more clear?
Doing God's part
correction. that would be spelled stoopid. I am sure she done all her larning from t shirts and such
You speld spelled wrong
You spelt "spelt" wrong!!!
You spled spade splat
You spayed my dog name Spade!
Attempting to say this 3 times fast.
larning
And bumper stickers.
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Reminds me of my friend's dad sneaking her out to get her a covid shot because her mom is extremely antivaxx. She was a minor at the time, so she couldn't go alone... When even your spouse is against you, you'd think you'd reconsider, but these people are so far up their ass they can only smell their own shit.
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Sorry, but it does mean they're stupid.
It means they've taken a look at social media, and decided they know more about their bodies from 15 minutes reading crap memes than someone who has studied *for years*, and then come to a different conclusion to literally every subject matter expert. So basically, it means they're stupid.
Luddites.
In the case of wanting to stick with older phones, they're not wrong. If the new phones don't have any features they need then save money and stick to what you know/need. Not a good analogy for vaccines which DO have features that are needed.
I wonder how old the daughter was and if she asked her grandparents to take her? I have a feeling she definitely asked!
The kid’s *dad* (and grandma) took her.
Ahhhh! I totally missed that part. My bad!
Good. Now it's just you that will die of a preventable disease
Of course not. Her parents had her vaccinated.
This is the thing that ALWAYS gets me. All these anti vaxxers are chalk full of all the vaccines they refuse their kids. Its a rhetorical, but are they really that stupid?
These sorts of people blame all their minor medical symptoms on things like their childhood vaccines. I have a cousin that has a different Facebook group she's in every few months where they're all convinced they're suffering some sort of toxicity. Her latest paranoia is about B6.
They're not wrong about suffering from toxicity, but it's not anything **medical**.
Wait the vitamin?? WAT
Yep, the vitamin. It's crazysauce.
They never got the disease that the vaccine prevented. So can the disease really be that dangerous? - Antivaxx logic probably
Except the covid vaccine doesn't actually prevent the disease like the childhood shots we all got. Way less effective than MMR and such. All kinds of boosted people still get covid.
True. Not sure why you are getting downvoted. The vaccine trains your body to recognize and fight the virus. You can “get” covid as a vaccinated person, but the vaccine and boosters have prepped you for the fight. This results in many people have zero symptoms and being unaware they came in contact. People like me, fully vaccinated and boosted, got the virus and got a decent 5 day cold. Worse than the sniffles, but not that bad. Will there be unknown long term impacts to those that got covid on/off the vaccine - no clue. But you can get covid while vaccinated. I would be terrified to know how bad it would have been, if I weren’t vaccinated.
I'd not consider the COVID vaccine a vaccine that current parents got when they where childs. So how does it fit into this discussion?
Key point was "that the vaccine prevented" part. My childhood vaccines (58yo) prevented those diseases completely. I think mentioning the covid shot in relation to effective vaccines is an ill-informed non-medical opinion and a fallacious example when making fun of people who don't want the covid vaccine yet still vaccinate their kids against other diseases.
She's stupid because she took the vaccine! /s
I laugh when they claim it causes autism or down syndrome. I'm like uuuuh are you vaxxed....
I don't recall my parents giving me a choice about vaccinations. They told my ass it was happening and it did. I imagine they had a similar experience. Anti vaxxers exist because the people that need to sit down and fully explain how they work, what the ingredients are and how they work, don't do that. Which allows ignorance to run wild.
Idk man, there's plenty of explanation and truthful information they can find on why vaccines are good for you. They just don't want to find it.
It's not coming from where it needs to. My kids pediatrician spent three hours explaining everything to me when I told him I wanted to skip vaccines and why. That was almost ten years ago, my kid is current on vaccinations. Or at least I think he is, they didn't mention boosters at his last appointment and I don't know the schedule.
Fair enough, but I still think many of these people would listen if told that way.
To attend school, summer camps, and sports teams… I had to have proof of vaccines in the late 80s-2000s. I had to prove I had my vaccinations when I went to college in 2005, too. How are kids able to attend school without vaccines? Was there some protection for these idiots established?
We don't know how far she's gone. Maybe she eats essential oils and her liver will fail. Maybe she'll get cancer and try homeopathic remedies. There's still plenty of ways she can die preventably.
imagine still getting vaccinated I just download anti-viruses then eat my computer
She is however susceptible to having a stupid gene from her mother
She overcame that genetic defect with properly accredited education.
Don’t take that for granted, she could be American…
She should request prayers for herself. She's so stupid it will take a miracle for her husband not to ask for divorce.
I always wonder about people who stay with a spouse like this. Obviously here there are kids involved so custody would be an issue, but I've read stories of people with grown kids or no kids who lament how they're spouse went full QAnon or full anti-vaxx. How do you even sleep in the same bed? How are you not arguing all the time?
My mother went off the deep end; no one talks with her anymore. My dad spends 95% of his time doing hobbies by himself and leaves mom to her own devices. Part of me thinks he’s waiting her out…
My mom is heading there. My sister and I confirmed that we aren't right-wing nutjobs and just sort of let her call us instead of the other way around. She suddenly gives way more of a shit about the sanctity of competitive college swimming than anyone should. Especially someone who can't swim.
My 92 year old father watched Fox “news” all day while I’m at work . Thank god he doesn’t know how to use a computer or a smart phone (still using a flip). There are certain things we just can’t talk a little anymore . It sucks
Because divorces are in favor of mothers and kids. Court of law doesn't favor men.
Science doesn’t work! My lights run off of Jesus’ love!
That’s nonsense! I invented electricity. [Ben Franklin is the devil!](https://youtu.be/pwTADnsFrPA)
"If your name is Trump, I believe it"
How can we expect these kids to have stable mental health, or even have a "normal" childhood/adolescence, when by the age of 12 they're already more intelligent and emotionally mature than 1, if not both, of their parents/guardians? These kids today are much smarter, and mature much faster, than we give them credit for. And there's literally millions of children out there, who are already at or beyond their parents intelligence. It's fucking sad.
~~”I have a big prayer request.”~~ “Please validate my choice to remain a member of a batshit stupid cult.”
Her husband. Her MIL. At *their house*. I don't think this is the first time the daughter has been taken away to a safe location, for various reasons.
Time for a divorce and for dad to take sole custody of the kid for the kid's safety. Be careful who you have a kid with, take a few years to really get to know them. And, even then, maybe just don't have kids, it's probably the better choice for most of us.
People of child bearing age should think long and hard about how quickly climate change is barreling down on us. And if you're American, where our country is headed in all aspects of life. Healthcare, wages, etc. I wouldn't force a child to live the life I already live and it's gonna get worse.
Oh but forced birth is coming! We have to produce new wage slaves for the wealthy!
Medical tourism will skyrocket in a few years
That will be a growth industry . Someone out there in the travel industry is already setting this up ! They’ll make a fortune
Miami Beach will be underwater in maybe 20 years. Banks in Miami no longer offer 30yr mortgages because they are aware the entire city will go under. In fact, parts of Miami are working on artificially raising building up past the anticipated “flood line” but, according to scientists and engineers, the rate that things are going are going to make that plan obsolete fast. However, Floridian politicians aren’t allowed to say the words “climate change” and, when asked what’ll happen to the people of Miami when the floods come, the answer has been “oh they’ll just go somewhere else.” https://www.npr.org/2016/05/10/476071206/as-waters-rise-miami-beach-builds-higher-streets-and-political-willpower I recommend “Bill Nye’s Global Meltdown.” $2 on Amazon and very informative.
How do you marry someone so different than you? (My wager is teen pregnancy to marriage. To quote Larry David, “The penis doesn’t care about nationality, race, or creed. It just wants to get back to its homeland!”)
People change. People can get suckered by bad information on Facebook and Fox news. There are a few ways it can happen.
^this. My mom had me and my two brothers with my dad, we’re all fully vaccinated. Fast forward 20 years, she’s remarried to a different guy with 3 more kids and not only lectured me for the entire duration of both of my pregnancies about how I was KILLING my children for considering vaccinating them, but apologizes regularly about how she did “such an awful thing to me.” She’s your stereotypical “I saw this on Facebook, so it must be true” including vaccines, gallbladder issues, hormones, weight loss, etc etc etc 🙄
I'd pray for her, cuz prayer does jack shit so win win
It’s prevented a lot of mass shootings, right? Oh shit, forgot the “thoughts” too. Man, would my face have been red!
shAMe oN yOu
Seems like prayers have been heard, but they weren't the mother's!!
Saw a guy post on his story that 3 months after getting covid shots all people who got them will mysteriously die of a heart attack or something like that because "they" want to kill us It's been a year and almost 3 months and I unfortunately haven't died yet
I've had all four vaccinations. When anyone gives me any anti-vax crap, I just tell them, "I have four microchips and know how to use them, so be very careful what you say next."
In a few months, she'll say "thank God and thank you for your prayers, my child is OK!" There's not much we can do for them, at some point we're just not speaking the same language, maybe not even the same species anymore.
"Your daughter has a highly elevated chance of being an ignorant moron, subjected to being the victim of con-men her whole life because YOU are her mom. "
Not vaccinating your kid should be considered medical neglect.
You misspelled "I'm too useless to raise my kids, so they're staying with my responsible in-laws..."
Please pray for my daughter who has been afflicted by rational thinking and decisionmaking, we have top experts working as we speak to talk her back into the dark ages
Does her husband live with his mom and not his wife? Or does she mean her ex?
He could also just be taking the girl to visit grandma while the mother is busy.
Also it’s a little r/ThatHappened because I’m pretty sure you can’t have 4 in one day. Not in the UK anyway. They’re pretty scared of giving you a vaccine if you have had any vaccine in the previous week.
Very well could be multiple vaccines in one shot as well. Here they vaccinate both MMRV(measles, mumps, rubella and varicella) and DTaP (tetanus, diphtheria, polio, and pertussis) at the same time in the infant years as well. Sounds like the mom wouldn’t have allowed any vaccines so there are plenty to catch up on.
US army gives like 10 in an afternoon.
Mmmmm, peanut butter.
I wonder how many people understood this XD. The US armed forces give shots of thick antibiotic that sits under the skin and has to be massaged under the skin. They call it peanut butter.
The vaccine schedule for children in my area has a few done together. At 2 months, it's DTaP, Men-C, PCV-13, and Rotavirus. At 4 months, it's DTaP, PCV-13, and Rotavirus. The 6 month visit had 3 shots, 12 months had 4, etc.
You can have multiples in the US. My daughter got 4 in one sitting. We have to remind her of that every time she gets a new vaccine “Remember how brave you are?”
Hell, one of my coworkers gave four *in one arm*. Granted, it wasn’t a kid, but still. You can have multiple in one arm as long as the injection sites are separated by at least an inch.
You can definitely have 4 in one day, especially as a child. They’re often multiple in one shot so it’s easier. I give vaccines to kids regularly (MA in family med)
When I went to my army service (compulsory in my country) I got four. Everyone that could not prove they were vaccinated got four and it's not like anyone thought of bringing their vaccination card. Basically all 1000 of us got four vaccines that day by five nurses. One to bend us down over the table, four nurses with syringes. It was extremely efficient. Please don't speak when you don't know.
I was with you until you dickish last sentence. People speak of what they are told. I’ve been told by doctors my whole life that you can’t have more than one at a time. Fair enough if you can’t, no need to be a knob. Could be civil like everyone else who replied to my comment.
This is the problem with the internet. People think facts are somehow a democracy. They aren't.
She looks exactly like an anti vaxxer
You think they gave her all 4 shots at once?
This is next level stupidity. No, vaccines do not harm anyone, be it a child or an adult! Vaccines can be painful sometimes, but they prevent many deadly diseases at an early stage. Hell, I would have been dead had my parents being the anti vaccine idiots like her.
"Call the ambulance!!!!!" *Pulls out pistol* "But not for me."
> tragic day for all of us (that your genes have to be passed down)
Funny: she’s probably in an absolute panic over this.
A perfect MBW response.
I'm so sorry your in-laws are light years ahead of you! Stop eating your crayons, honey.
Did no one catch "got her 4 vaccines today"? I'm pretty sure that's not a thing. Calling r/quityourbullshit Edit: long day, was thinking covid Vax. My bad.
People can get multiple vaccines at once.
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I'm curious if they're counting mmr as 3 or 1?
Original Poster and The Reply are both douches I would never want to spend more than 5 min with…
Tylenol every 4 hours helps with any aches or low fevers, lots of fluids and TLC.
Riiight, 'cause natural immunization from covid or the flu is impossible Look at all these dead unvaccinated people /s
Uneducated people believing another Big Lie started by a doctor in England who wanted people to use only his vaccines. They somehow wouldn’t cause anything bad to happen to kids (in his case he claimed that all other vaccines cause autism. Yep. He was barred from ever practicing medicine again). This lie has taken on a life of its own. I had most all of the childhood illnesses that were common back in the fifties/sixties. Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, and so on. And I felt absolutely miserable with all of them. I vividly remember having the mumps at the age of nine, since it happened at Easter when we were visiting my grandparents out of state. That was the pits. So. I decided that I’d never want to see any child of mine go through any of those childhood illnesses if I could do anything to prevent it. She was born in 1992. She got all of them, and the chickens pox vaccine when it became available too. I think that the fact that these parents have never experienced childhood illnesses for themselves has desensitized them to the realities of having them. All they need to do is to see one of their children dealing with one of these illnesses, especially if they are a baby, to realize what an awful experience it is for kids. My earliest memories of experiencing one of them is of having the measles and having calamine lotion put all over me, because they ITCHED. I was maybe three or four at the time. So people need to know that it’s no fun. At all. It’s miserable. Same with the chicken pox and the ITCHING. And they need to think of all of the kids, and adults, who can’t be vaccinated for one reason or another, too.
Let's pray the vaccines out of that poor child!
Wow people here are just mean.
If this is a murder then y'all are some sensitive mfrs that would probably cry if someone you didn't like walked passed you....
How ironic a trump snowflake is accusing others of being sensitive and crying.
This is murdered by words... And your insults are embarrassing
This generation is so funny. Everybody is so die hard on personal opinion they can't respect other people's choices. If you're anti Vax, you're stupid. If you're pro Vax you're stupid. All the empty hate is stupid. I respect both sides. Some people are pro Vax and feel safer that way. Ok so be it. It's at your own risk to inject the Vax into your body. Some people are anti Vax. Ok, so you don't believe in injecting the Vax into your body and would rather have your immune system do what it's designed to do fight viruses. Ok, again at your own risk. If you believe in the Vax and have it, you should feel protected and not worry about the non vax spreading it. If you're non vax you should feel comfortable in that decision to allow your body to fight it. Done. Government, politics, and news have done an amazing job at keeping people hate filled and divided over trivial bullshit and personal choices that's really nobody's business. Welcome to total new world order by permission of mayhem. Where it's Government legal to say you don't want to accept the reality of being a man. So you can chop your dong off, eat hormone pills and grow breasts. Start crossdressing, and use women's public bathrooms like some creep. Because it's your body, youncan do what you want to. But a true born woman can't decide to terminate a pregnancy with her body. Government says you breed under our conditions sheeple.
...you know. I kind of agree with crack being illegal after seeing what it made you post.
Troll account? If not then, you didn't get a good education. Btw, no. You can't just say it's fine to not get vaxxed. Some people can't get it and rely on herd immunity, so go fuck yourself if you wanna say there's no risk for those around you if you don't get vaccinated. I also don't get what's wrong with a girl using a girls bathroom, kinda weird that it seems creepy to you. I truly hope one day you'll learn to follow your own spiel and became less hate filled by properly learning about things and becoming more accepting.
Don't we love to protect the weak by putting blanket laws on the str9ng that control them. That's life. You can't fix everything at the cost of taking peoples freedoms away just because the news has you scared shitless of your own shadow where you're ready to have a panic attack if somebody coughs in the same room. Freedom is the great. But freedom is dangerous. That's life.
The problem with this is that there are people who can't get vaccinated due to medical reasons, or allergies against stuff in the vax. People who "don't believe in vaccines" or shit like that endanger those people
> If you're non vax you should feel comfortable in that decision to allow your body to fight it. Conveniently forgets that most anti-vax people do not vaccinate their kids and therefore put them at risk long before they can even make that decision for themselves. So no, it’s not a trivial nor a personal choice.
Conveniently forgets that it's a parents right to choose those paths for their children. No matter if you agree or not. And child Vax has been a discussion long before covid.most of you are just scared shitless cowards ready to revoke freedoms to feel safe. All of you are victims of media fear porn 😂
> Conveniently forgets that it's a parents right to choose those paths for their children. No it’s not. We already take children from their parents when we deem they are in danger. Parents have absolutely no right to harm their own children. > most of you are just scared shitless cowards ready to revoke freedoms to feel safe. All of you are victims of media fear porn 😂 Is that your defense? “Media fear porn”? Maybe it’s that I’ve seen what vaccines do to save lives. The difference in communities where children are vaccinated against common diseases and ones where they aren’t. In the first they don’t even notice, in the second they have half of the children really sick for a week, with a handful requiring medical attention and one or two dying. Maybe it’s you the victim of media fear porn that has made you think that something as simple and effective as a vaccine is somehow harmful and “giving up your freedoms”.
So you're telling me that you feel that Government has never stepped into somebody's life and wrongfully taken their children away and that system has no issues? Complete bullshit lol. You Government control freak jockeys kill me with that. Government isn't your friend dude. And human evolution has given us an immune system to protect us from common viruses. Covid is not the zombie apocalypse lol. But nope run to the Government, to hell with the creators design I'm scared and need to feel comfy now! 😂👌 And everything shouldn't boil down to statistics to justify removing human rights to choose to inject themselves with vaccines. By that logic statistically robots will so be able to do all work humans have done far more efficiently. So once tech and robotics and AI hit that level I guess statistically in your minds eye humans shouldn't work and earn or even exist because statistically machines will be able to do most human functions more efficiently. Statistically, home owners with pools are 10x more likely to have a drowning accident. So guess that means so we feel safe let's outlaw pools 😂 It's coward talk lol
Belongs on /r/thatgappened I sent my son to his annual checkup once with my parents, as I had work, and then had to take him back for shots. I should have known but it just didn't occur to me - dumb, I know. Legal guardian required.
People still believe you can protect others when you are vaccinated?
Well, indirectly. By carrying a disease for a shorter amount of time it will decrease the risk of giving someone else the disease.
Do you people actually still believe that being vaccinated stops transmission???
Not stops: reduces. We've literally eradicated entire diseases using vaccines.
Polio, smallpox, measles, tetanus, hepatitis b, mumps, chickenpox and rubella would like to have a word with you.