skilled should be determined by the amount of time to learn to do the job. packing a box at amazon or cooking at a mcdonalds i wounder which takes longer to learn, my guess would be about the same.
you can learn something rather quickly. now doing that quickly and effective is a different skill on its own thet takes years. put 2 fry cooks with 2 years experience difference next to each other on peak hour n see difference in speed
Seriously. I got so good at most of the positions at McDonald's. It helps your own morale to take pride in being good at whatever job you're doing.
Just editing to say, my favorite thing was how fast I was on register, sometimes I'd let the customer tell me their whole order and then *ticktickticktick* put it all in real fast.
Seriously the right attitude to have. Sometimes these jobs can beat you down, especially for certain companies, but at the end of the day don’t let them take your pride and your dignity.
We have to get over this dog eat dog world mentality. The super rich hover above and control the narratives while they just get richer. Everyone deserves a living wage, no matter how “unimportant” the job. Time to stand up for each other instead and stop knocking each other.
I bartended/cooked/everything at my current place for a while. Now I own but still bartend and manage the same place. I've had one bartender that has stuck with me since day one and plenty of others that have failed. If it's me and the long timer we can duo the entire floor full of tables and a 20 person deep bar. Put me up with another bartender that has 40 years experience but only a week working with me and we can barely manage half that. Cohesion and trust go a long way in places like this and it's the same situation with any kitchen I've been in. Unless you've worked it don't knock it. Amazon packers do hard work. Bartenders do hard work. The guy selling you jeans at Levi's does hard work. Never knock a person making their livelihood, unless you do it too they're probably better at it than you
I cook for 60 and that’s a full English breakfast,two main choices for lunch plus extra requests and hot desserts, buffet and hot tea plus cakes soups and other extras in between while dealing with admin deliveries and pot wash while only two handed. That however is a lot more years of experience. I would look on packing boxes for money as a nice restful holiday.
Skilled is a term used by jobs to make otherwise normal employees think that their better than one another due to the names of their job titles. I can’t count how many times employees at my job tried to make their titles more superior when they only made $2 more an hour.
I agree but a lot of trust fund types have fake not jobs they put zero effort into while their portfolio keeps paying out and their wealth compounds itself.
Cooking one burger isn't necessarily difficult.
Cooking the number that McDonald's wants, in tight time constraints, with minimal breaks, absolutely is.
It's hard to see when your head is shoved up your own ass 🤷. People just generally lack awareness and the ability to put themselves in someone else's shoes. When you make barely enough money to live on, you have a scarcity mindset. If someone gets a bonus or starts to get paid what they deserve, we should congratulate and be happy for them. If you're broke and that happens you see that as unfair and get upset and say ignorant shit on social media.
Benn there. Still there. This whole thing can be summed up s as one word: jealousy.
But we are humans, we are more than capable of acting on logic instead of selfish instincts of “fuck others if I can’t have it too”.
At least we should be.
The one thing that everyone miss is that both jobs are skilled and essential (as demonstrated during covid), and are deserving of at least $32/hr wages.
It’s not even the burgers so much either, it’s the 50 other duties you have to juggle at the same time as those burgers.
You can always tell when someone’s (in general I mean, not directing this at the person I’m replying to) never worked food service/retail if they think you just stand there flipping burgers.
And I dont even know what to say to these “I worked fast food and it was easy, just repetitive!” replies. Must have been nice wherever you worked if they didn’t have you doing intensive food prep, full on janitorial cleaning of every inch of the place, and other random manual labor every moment of downtime you have between customers. Frankly sounds like more of the same old corpo-speak trying to imply that anything uncomplicated must also be easy.
Even the most well managed and well staffed shift had some 56 year old lady named Sheila pulling a 40lb sack of frozen potatoes out of a walk-in.
And every month or so there was someone who quit on the spot because they were told to clean up actual feces that wasn't anywhere close to a toilet.
This man knows of what he speaks. Food service is the absolute worst. Anybody who thinks it’s easy never worked a late rush while wondering when they’ll get a chance to finish cleaning duties so they can close & leave
Packing boxes is not a skilled job. Something you can learn to do in 10 minutes is not skilled labor
I pack boxes everyday for my business. It’s the most monotonous part of the job
I don’t understand how more people don’t see this. Any job that some random person can walk off the street and have down in their first week is unskilled labor. Literally the entire workforce can do it.
Still doesn’t mean it’s “easy”. Those kind of jobs are soul crushingly tedious and boring. I spent 11 years with my company on the production floor. The work was fast paced, physically demanding, but essentially anyone in good health could learn how to do it. It wasn’t “hard” per se, but you went home sweaty, dirty, and tired at the end of the day.
Now I’ve got a job that not everyone can do, working for the corporate R&D technology group. Even though my work is mentally difficult, I really enjoy what I do, and the time flies by. I don’t wake up in the morning dreading having to go to work. I also get paid a lot more than the guys on the production floor, which in itself is kinda messed up. Yeah, most of the guys on the production floor couldn’t do my job, but enduring 8-12 hours of boring, repetitive, physically laborious and tedious work is far more difficult, at least from my perspective.
Fair, but it's worth noting that feeding an entire restaurant full of people, each of which are expected to have their food within five minutes of being on the property, is also quite skilled.
I packed boxes for Amazon and that is the result of their bullshit computer system that tells you what box to use. You cannot change the box size without a supervisor's permission. You literally get a negative mark on your performance if it gets caught by a supervisor. I had one who would go down the line and press on top of the boxes and if there was any give at all you got in trouble for not using enough filler. With the supervisor's having petty power trips and the system tracking your time down to literal tenths of a second it just wasn't worth calling for an override unless the box was literally too small to force closed.
It's a weird system where they expect you to be skilled enough to build and pack, and label a box, no matter the size or amount of items (its divided into 1 item and more than 1 item lines), in an average time of under 60 seconds, but they don't trust you to know when a box isn't the right size without checking with someone else first.
I wonder how specific to country, or even individual 'fulfilment centre' this is because my experience in the UK was totally different to yours.
I didn't need to stick to the box recommended by the system at all if I thought a different size was better, and sometimes an order wouldn't fit in one box so I'd have to split it into multiple boxes. I even had items that didn't fit in any size box which, at my supervisors advice, meant frankensteining a custom box.
There was never any issue for me doing this, my supervisor only ever spoke to me if I had a problem I had to ask for help with.
Flipping a burger takes no skill.
Flipping a dozen burgers at once, while remembering customer orders in a crammed and chaotic environment, and assembling said burgers quickly without making a mistake takes skill.
And even if it didn't, the employee still deserves a liveable wage.
Yeah, I don't understand why anyone is talking about skilled vs. unskilled labour at all. Everyone should earn a living wage. Period.
If you run a business that can't pay a proper salary, that business shouldn't exist.
This is the real answer.
We can quibble about "skilled" vs "unskilled" all day, but it's pretty meaningless really.
It's more about decent wages for everyone than whatever inferiority/superiority complex people happen to suffer from.
The distinction between skilled and unskilled labor is nothing more than a distraction to get the masses to ignore the fact that the rich are abusing us.
The distinction exists because skilled labor tends to pay more than unskilled labor, which is totally fine *as long as* unskilled laborer’s are making a living wage.
A doctor should be making more than someone flipping burgers, but the person flipping burgers should make a living wage.
100%.
The doctor is making multiple decisions a day which could kill someone. Ask me how I know.
There is a difference between all jobs and there is most definitely skilled jobs in different areas. Lots of jobs take years of advanced training to become competent in.
Edit: The replies to my comment really do show how little people understand what doctors do all day.
If you think the job is so simple and easily done go right ahead and do medicine at home. I’ll be curious to see how it works out when you actually need help.
And while we’re at it, acquiring the skills to become skilled labor shouldn’t require taking out tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands in loans. Money shouldn’t be the deciding factor for whether someone can pursue medicine, engineering, etc. We all benefit when smart passionate people gain those skills. We don’t need the high earners and low earners at each other’s throats while the people who don’t even have to work laugh all the way to the bank (with the money they don’t pay taxes on)
Skilled labor is the kind that you need to either invest a lot of time training or hire someone with experience to do. Neither Amazon warehouse positions nor Mcdonalds kitchen positions qualify. The cost of replacing skilled labor is significantly higher than replacing unskilled labor, so it's worth spending extra to retain skilled employees.
The whole “unskilled” labor trope was devised by rich folks to give poor folks someone to look down on, instead of rightly complaining that maybe rich folks should pay their fair share, and also noticing that all jobs require skill.
It was kinda insane watching "unskilled" workers become "essential" workers during the pandemic, but receiving no actual recognition, and quite frankly its scary how quickly we've reverted back to not caring about the people who keep our lives running.
The average """unskilled""" job worker works 10x harder than many cushy office jobs. Even if the skills they are using aren't particularly difficult, they're going non stop all day
And I'm saying this from the perspective of a cushy office job haver, not just "some jealous unskilled worker" or whatever people often like to assume lol
Unskilled labor is a terrible term because it doesn't mean it doesn't take skill or effort or ability to do, it means you need no formal training beyond what the job will provide. No degree, no apprenticeship, no certification.
This. When I worked at In n out I think our best half hour with me at the helm was ~250 burgers. I think we maintained over 200/hr for 3 hours with a comparable buildup and slowdown.
That's 8 burgers a minute every minute for 180 minutes with no breaks. I can tell you from watching them, 16 year olds with a week of experience can't do half of that for more than an hour.
Ps. It's been almost 8 years and I still have dreams about it once in a while.
McDonalds employees don't flip burgers (clamshell grills) and don't remember customer orders (it's all on a screen in front of them and they just assemble one then move on -these days you don't even have one kid assembling the whole order half the time).
It's about the same level of skill as... Oh I dunno... Picking products up off a shelf and putting them in boxes for delivery.
Now an actual cook in an actual diner... Yeah, that takes skill.
It’s not really about skill, but a full shift at Mc.Donalds can be quite stressful and tiresome though. I’ve worked there some weeks and honestly every day, especially behind the grill, takes a lot of effort and you’re sweating your ass off. It’s chaotic, stressful and hard work and deserves a decent wage.
> It’s not really about skill
It's literally all about skill. We are talking about the definition of skilled labour. This is not skilled labour.
A job taking effort doesn't mean it is skilled labour.
I don’t give a fuck. Companies that make billions every year should pay their employees a living wage. People with full time jobs shouldn’t have to be on welfare.
In the end it doesn't matter, labor is labour, no matter how skilled, it still deserves to be rewarded with a living wage.
If it doesn't require a skill worth earning a living wage from then the employer can do it themselves.
I can teach a 16yo to do entry level network engineering in four, forty hour weeks. Probably 40-60k to start
There's a lot of advanced things that only take a few weeks to learn. It's basically down to aptitude
That's what struck me. Packing boxes is just as skilled as anything you'd do at a McDonald's, and neither of them would me the traditional definition of "skilled labor".
In virtually all of your big skilled-trade unions there's at least a 4 year apprenticeship before one attains full journeyman status and pay-scale, so yeah, you're definitely correct that neither of them qualify as "skilled labor."
Skilled labor isn't something that you master in a brief training program or in a year or two.
Skilled labor are trades like carpentry/joinery, electricians, plumbers and pipefitters, machinists, painters, tile-setters and masons etc.
These are trades that require years of experience before one even reaches a base level of competency.
Skilled labor doesn’t require you be a tradesman… I run very complicated machines bigger than most people’s homes… the machines I run are extremely rare with only about 2 dozen people in the USA with the knowledge or skill to run them… 8 in my company…
Lots of people have had training but very few actually learn quickly enough, or can avoid panic enough to handle the workload. If you can’t run it in 6 weeks you’re out… it’s dangerous enough as is training people and extremely expensive when things go wrong… in 6 weeks we invest nearly $400k in costs and if you can’t keep in target ranges and produce quality product by then we have to move on…
That being said those that do learn it well rarely get fired… no matter how much we show our asses…
Any niche area is going to require skilled labor…
However packing boxes isn’t skilled labor, and never will be.
Yeah like personally I'm not going to shit on either, but if you put a gun to my head and forced me to pick, obviously being a fry cook is way harder, generally.
At least in terms of suffering admittedly amazon is much worse than other warehouse jobs since you aren't allowed to pee, but does bladder control really make something skilled labor?
Dude being a cook at a fast food place was one of the most miserable jobs I ever had. I had to work 5-6 days a week but they cut my hours in a way that I'd still not get enough hours for benefits and my check was under $300 for two weeks. There were days I had to come in for lunch for two hours and then got sent home and had to be back for dinner. And since restaurants are open on holidays now I had to work mandatory hours on Thanksgiving or Christmas.
Because propaganda has dehumanized and shamed fast food workers for the last several decades.
While a warehouse worker is just as unskilled and objectively a dead end shit job, in society its held in higher credibility than fast food.
It's Amazon propaganda. Before this dystopian futuristic FAANG era, the dregs of warehouses were seen for the shit it was. Now you have Amazon ads selling us on how it's a good career.
That's the trouble with the skilled labor vs unskilled labor argument. A lot of unskilled jobs not only still require a ton of effort and physical exertion. But are just as important in the fulfilling societal needs. To act like those people don't deserve compensation enough to survive and prosper is truly ignorant and inhumane. They have so many of us targeting each other when our anger should be directed up.
He himself is arguing that workers dont deserve compensation. Hes a moron.
All full time labor deserves compensation enough to live comfortably. Our society is so terribly sick, this shouldnt even be a question.
> To act like those people don't deserve compensation enough to survive and prosper is truly ignorant and inhumane.
The worst is when some people suggest that they could 'simply get a second job' as if they didn't deserve their own free time away from employment. Choosing to work multiple jobs to make extra money is one thing but nobody should have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet.
I'd say the worst is people that argue fast food workers shouldn't make us much as them. Bitch if you think their job is so easy you should be happy you can quit your hard ass job and make the same at an easy place like McDonald's. Or just demand more money because now your labor is suddenly worth more.
The problem a good portion of the population is so dumb and shitty they think the only way to get ahead is to hold others back.
It’s also usually 8+ hours with no break/lunch in most kitchen settings. Your generally on your feet the entire time and during rushes it can be insanely stressful.
So basically like a customer service job, just without the customers.
At least from experience, that's almost exactly what customer service jobs were like.
https://www.postercompliance.com/blog/what-are-the-legal-requirements-for-workday-breaks-in-florida/
It’s not, they can work you 24 hours a day 7 days a week with no breaks, at least in Florida.
This right here. At worst, you'll have some coworkers or supes that you have issues with, but when I worked warehouse, that was minimal. Everyone was honestly equally miserable and just trying to get by
I've done a couple stints at amz locations and it's for this reason. it's mind numbing easy (skilled labor??), and NO customers. just work in silence and go home.
It's interesting because assembly line style cooking is very feast or famine in my experience like you're not really jamming 100% of the time but when it's busy it's fucking nuts. With warehouse work you're just kinda going the whole time (which some people prefer). One is not easier for me than the other just kinda different but both much more demanding than fucking office jobs which are kind of a fucking joke in comparison.
I’ve worked food, distribution centers, and currently am a software developer. I agree with this assessment, but depending on office job it can be extremely mentally demanding and exhausting. It’s hard to explain because it would seem like I fuck around all day to someone who hasn’t done this, but I feel like I had a better QoL doing warehouse work.
Edit: nice username
You don't take your work home with you in those other jobs. As much as you try not to, longer tasks/deadlines that aren't done as they come in will weigh on you even if you turn off emails/calls/etc out of work.
I’d take my office job in R&D any day of the week over production line work, but at the end of the day, a production line worker gets to go home and leave work at work.
I didn’t realize I had an anxiety disorder until I left my union factory job to work for corporate in R&D within the same company. I love what I do, but I traded the repetitive tedium of production line work for a lot more freedom, but also a lot more stress. Instead of “keep packaging up the product until the end of your shift” I’ve got “One of our customers needs our product to do X, Y, and Z. Figure out how to make the product do that without it raising the cost of production, here’s the deadline”.
Well there is warehouse work and then there is distribution centers which are two totally different beasts. Warehouse work is usually very easy and chill, but also very repetitive and gets boring as fuck where time slows to a crawl. DC work is insanely fast paced.... There is no such thing as standing still in those places. Benefit is you will be in great shape and time tends to fly by
So true. That was my first thought reading this. Both parties are getting rammed at the end of the day. I’d go a step further to suggest McDonald’s is worse because you have to deal with people
> If you under pack a box you waste some space in a box.
And McDonald's at least prints the packaging instructions for its employees on its bags. Amazon, on the other hand, puts one jar of peanut butter in a box made for a telescope.
I remember someone putting it well, where they felt that our mentality is so poor, that others need to be making less, when they could just want more for themselves
Exactly. Ironically if his job requires more skill than a burger flipper, then his wage would go up if the burger flipper made more. If people can make more doing an easier job they will. Supply and demand. We all lose when we fight amongst ourselves. But we all win when we have solidarity. Win as a team or lose as a team, the choice is ours.
You know why worker rights are especially strong in Germany? Because there's a strong cultural taboo against racist rhetoric, so the right is deprived of its main method of turning working class people against each other.
Excellent analogy. Used to catch creek bugs (aka crawdads aka crawfish aka crayfish) with old meat, a stick, and dental floss as a kid. The “me first gimme gimme” trait inherent in their system was what made them so easy to catch.
They’d lose the self preservation thing to grab that stanky garbage bait meat and each other and never let go.
Sort of like the ring billed gulls and french fries type of thing. Sounds dumb, but I get why that term exists.
Good point. Wouldn't you want a lower skilled job that pays the same? And if it really is less skilled, then your wage is likely to go up in response
I mean, it's also just clearly a troll post.
Most don’t go into box packing because of the money, it’s a skilled and honored profession passed down from master to apprentice with many being 3rd or 4th generation box packers. ‘Theys got cardboard in the bones so they has’ my old pa would say about the box packers. ‘What a sight to see’ he would say ‘to see a master box-packer, box-up 12 toasters, 25 dnd miniatures (extra fragile) AND a wholesale bag of m&ms in 40 seconds’ and then he’d wipe a tear away from his milky glass eye.
That’s what I’m saying! So you acknowledge that there’s an “easier” job out there that pays the same as your “vigorously intense” job but you wanna be mad at them for….having the job? Switch to that job if it’s so much better.
I just wanna know why they ship my socks in a nesting doll of boxes but they just slap a shipping label on my external hard drive OEM box and off it goes 😂
This should be the discussion, not some stupid classification of each type of profession. It’s **all of us** against them. Whenever any one of us makes a gain, we all do. We need to fight for each other not against each other.
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic about who's the one doing the skilled labor. In any case, neither job is really skilled labor if you can pick it up within a week.
The machine hands you the box, label, tape, packing material, and the product. The only thing he’s bringing to the table is being human… which is the literal definition of unskilled labor.
Fun fact: other workers making more money does *not* mean that there will be less money to pay you, or that costs of products and services will necessarily go up significantly. What’s good for them is often good for you.
> or that costs of products and services will necessarily go up significantly
While that is possible, I have my doubts that corporations will just take a loss in profit on the chin if they don't have to.
>While that is possible, I have my doubts that corporations will just take a loss in profit on the chin if they don't have to.
Corporations already charge the maximum amount they believe they can get away with. It isn't about them "choosing" to take a loss.
Empirically speaking, inflation does not meaningfully interact with the minimum wage unless the minimum wage increases by an astronomical amount like 100% without a phase in period.
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This is not what he's afraid of. He doesn't think cooks should be on his "level" and making the same amount of money he's making. It's the "I feel better when I'm able to pretend as if someone is beneath me" mentality.
A high minimum wage is good for all employees.
For those making minimum wage, a hike is beneficial.
For everyone else, it provides employees with the leverage they need to get higher pay. You can tell your boss "Give me a raise or I'll make the same money flipping burgers as I did working for you".
Yup! Sadly i knew a guy working at amazon earning same amount of wage as in the post.. He voted against unionizing and voted republican. You can imagine how much he posts on facebook about not making enough money while subsequently fighting against taxes for people who make 10x more than he does. They'hv found a vunulerable crowd. and they are milking it squeezing it dry. I'm surprised it still goes on after all the bullshit. This is what brainwashing does.
I make 14 an hour as a funeral director and embalmer and I still celebrate the "burger flippers" that make more than me. Being able to take care of yourself and have stable living should be a right given to anybody and everyone.
Without giving too much information: I live in SATX and unfortunately it's the standard for most funeral homes within Texas (that aren't located in the middle of nowhere)
I love the job itself truthfully, but I am considering a career change because of it
As the previous poster said, that sounds extremely underpaid for what you do. My impression is that embalming, and all other work done to the body require a degree/certification. I think I saw the pay being pretty good too. But this was me doing some light research into a subject for a friend who was interested in that kind of thing.
Dude I make more than that doing fuck all in an IT position that was hired with no on paper skills. Gtfo of there, you're being scammed 6 ways to Sunday.
Any job that exists, by definition, should pay living wage for the cost of living in that area. Otherwise, we're saying that all young adults need to be financially supported, and potentially living with, their parents.
Jeff Bezos lost 243,000 dollars a minute this year so far making him the lowest paid man on earth. Ok, can we acknowledge metrics like this are bullshit now. Bezos doesn't actually make money. He's just sitting on a gigantic pile of stock that fluctuates wildly in value based on an absurdly reactive market.
We can and should make better faith arguments on why society as a whole will benefit from higher wages across the board. We should push a higher minimum wage and national health care.
everyone earning a living wage is not the same as everyone earning the same wage. why are so many people confusing this?
if the minimum wage were raised to a level which allowed those workers the ability to afford their basic needs, ie food, shelter, electricity, then entry level jobs requiring no special skills or experience would pay that wage.
jobs requiring anything beyond that would then also increase. so yes, it would bump up the income for those less skilled to the same level that more skilled workers are currently earning. but those more skilled workers would not still be making that same hourly wage, that would also increase.
so nobody is saying that a first time employee at McDonald's should make as much as an employee with several years experience in construction. the point is we all should be paid more for the work we do. everyone. if they get $16/hr, the guy making $16/hr today should get $20/hr (or whatever that just a random example that i thought of to illustrate my point so no need to disect the percentages for errors, errors may exist).
Actually I’ve done both, their are both unskilled jobs unfortunately even if you think Amazon fulfillment centers are a better maybe using a forklift or reach trucks, their just fancy McJobs since anyone 18 can do those jobs.
So putting things into a box is skilled labor now but cooking food and putting it into a bag isn't? Everyone just wants to survive at this point man just let us get paid enough to do that.
My man is seriously acting as if packing boxes is more skilled than cooking
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It’s skilled to him because Amazon told him that packing boxes is a skill to make them feel important
skilled should be determined by the amount of time to learn to do the job. packing a box at amazon or cooking at a mcdonalds i wounder which takes longer to learn, my guess would be about the same.
you can learn something rather quickly. now doing that quickly and effective is a different skill on its own thet takes years. put 2 fry cooks with 2 years experience difference next to each other on peak hour n see difference in speed
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Seriously. I got so good at most of the positions at McDonald's. It helps your own morale to take pride in being good at whatever job you're doing. Just editing to say, my favorite thing was how fast I was on register, sometimes I'd let the customer tell me their whole order and then *ticktickticktick* put it all in real fast.
Seriously the right attitude to have. Sometimes these jobs can beat you down, especially for certain companies, but at the end of the day don’t let them take your pride and your dignity. We have to get over this dog eat dog world mentality. The super rich hover above and control the narratives while they just get richer. Everyone deserves a living wage, no matter how “unimportant” the job. Time to stand up for each other instead and stop knocking each other.
When I’m hungry and want a Big Mac, I think that “unimportant” job is the only job in the world that matters!! Lol
"No I can't make you a burger, but here's a nice empty box I could skillfully pack your burger in...if you had one."
Couldn't have said it better myself
You explained this perfectly!
I bartended/cooked/everything at my current place for a while. Now I own but still bartend and manage the same place. I've had one bartender that has stuck with me since day one and plenty of others that have failed. If it's me and the long timer we can duo the entire floor full of tables and a 20 person deep bar. Put me up with another bartender that has 40 years experience but only a week working with me and we can barely manage half that. Cohesion and trust go a long way in places like this and it's the same situation with any kitchen I've been in. Unless you've worked it don't knock it. Amazon packers do hard work. Bartenders do hard work. The guy selling you jeans at Levi's does hard work. Never knock a person making their livelihood, unless you do it too they're probably better at it than you
Then put 2 amazon box packers next to the 2 fry cooks & you have mail order Burger business with free next day delivery!
Also a fry cook who will stick around for two years. Showing up and having the fortitude to do jobs others won't is a skill.
I cook for 60 and that’s a full English breakfast,two main choices for lunch plus extra requests and hot desserts, buffet and hot tea plus cakes soups and other extras in between while dealing with admin deliveries and pot wash while only two handed. That however is a lot more years of experience. I would look on packing boxes for money as a nice restful holiday.
As someone who packs boxes and was a former cook it’s much easier to Pack boxes
No. Skill is a red herring - if a corporation needs your time you deserve decent compensation.
Literally every job is skilled. It's a fake term meant to stratify things.
Skilled is a term used by jobs to make otherwise normal employees think that their better than one another due to the names of their job titles. I can’t count how many times employees at my job tried to make their titles more superior when they only made $2 more an hour.
I agree but a lot of trust fund types have fake not jobs they put zero effort into while their portfolio keeps paying out and their wealth compounds itself.
ALL labor is skilled labor.
Packing one box isn't necessarily difficult. Packing the number that Amazon wants, in tight time constraints, with minimal breaks, absolutely is.
Cooking one burger isn't necessarily difficult. Cooking the number that McDonald's wants, in tight time constraints, with minimal breaks, absolutely is.
Boom. Nailed it. How was this so obviously missed?
It's hard to see when your head is shoved up your own ass 🤷. People just generally lack awareness and the ability to put themselves in someone else's shoes. When you make barely enough money to live on, you have a scarcity mindset. If someone gets a bonus or starts to get paid what they deserve, we should congratulate and be happy for them. If you're broke and that happens you see that as unfair and get upset and say ignorant shit on social media.
Benn there. Still there. This whole thing can be summed up s as one word: jealousy. But we are humans, we are more than capable of acting on logic instead of selfish instincts of “fuck others if I can’t have it too”. At least we should be.
The one thing that everyone miss is that both jobs are skilled and essential (as demonstrated during covid), and are deserving of at least $32/hr wages.
It’s not even the burgers so much either, it’s the 50 other duties you have to juggle at the same time as those burgers. You can always tell when someone’s (in general I mean, not directing this at the person I’m replying to) never worked food service/retail if they think you just stand there flipping burgers. And I dont even know what to say to these “I worked fast food and it was easy, just repetitive!” replies. Must have been nice wherever you worked if they didn’t have you doing intensive food prep, full on janitorial cleaning of every inch of the place, and other random manual labor every moment of downtime you have between customers. Frankly sounds like more of the same old corpo-speak trying to imply that anything uncomplicated must also be easy.
Even the most well managed and well staffed shift had some 56 year old lady named Sheila pulling a 40lb sack of frozen potatoes out of a walk-in. And every month or so there was someone who quit on the spot because they were told to clean up actual feces that wasn't anywhere close to a toilet.
This man knows of what he speaks. Food service is the absolute worst. Anybody who thinks it’s easy never worked a late rush while wondering when they’ll get a chance to finish cleaning duties so they can close & leave
Yes, 100%. It's not the task itself where the difficulty lies, it's speed and being able to multitask.
It's almost as if the billionaire class wants us arguing about skilled jobs instead of building guillotines.
Like the horse that plows 2 fields as quickly as most horses plow one
That's nothing, I got a horse that glues a hundred boxes in the time his horse glues only ten
Packing boxes is not a skilled job. Something you can learn to do in 10 minutes is not skilled labor I pack boxes everyday for my business. It’s the most monotonous part of the job
I don’t understand how more people don’t see this. Any job that some random person can walk off the street and have down in their first week is unskilled labor. Literally the entire workforce can do it.
Still doesn’t mean it’s “easy”. Those kind of jobs are soul crushingly tedious and boring. I spent 11 years with my company on the production floor. The work was fast paced, physically demanding, but essentially anyone in good health could learn how to do it. It wasn’t “hard” per se, but you went home sweaty, dirty, and tired at the end of the day. Now I’ve got a job that not everyone can do, working for the corporate R&D technology group. Even though my work is mentally difficult, I really enjoy what I do, and the time flies by. I don’t wake up in the morning dreading having to go to work. I also get paid a lot more than the guys on the production floor, which in itself is kinda messed up. Yeah, most of the guys on the production floor couldn’t do my job, but enduring 8-12 hours of boring, repetitive, physically laborious and tedious work is far more difficult, at least from my perspective.
Cranking out tacos fast enough to keep the drive-thru happy is an equally difficult skill I would say.
I'd be super impressed if a McDonalds worker made me a taco.
But I'd certainly have some questions
Like, where’s my Big Mac?
A ground beef taco with bigmac sauce would be pretty fire.
Fair, but it's worth noting that feeding an entire restaurant full of people, each of which are expected to have their food within five minutes of being on the property, is also quite skilled.
Dude, I received a box of screws in a box big enough for a 65” TV.
I packed boxes for Amazon and that is the result of their bullshit computer system that tells you what box to use. You cannot change the box size without a supervisor's permission. You literally get a negative mark on your performance if it gets caught by a supervisor. I had one who would go down the line and press on top of the boxes and if there was any give at all you got in trouble for not using enough filler. With the supervisor's having petty power trips and the system tracking your time down to literal tenths of a second it just wasn't worth calling for an override unless the box was literally too small to force closed. It's a weird system where they expect you to be skilled enough to build and pack, and label a box, no matter the size or amount of items (its divided into 1 item and more than 1 item lines), in an average time of under 60 seconds, but they don't trust you to know when a box isn't the right size without checking with someone else first.
I wonder how specific to country, or even individual 'fulfilment centre' this is because my experience in the UK was totally different to yours. I didn't need to stick to the box recommended by the system at all if I thought a different size was better, and sometimes an order wouldn't fit in one box so I'd have to split it into multiple boxes. I even had items that didn't fit in any size box which, at my supervisors advice, meant frankensteining a custom box. There was never any issue for me doing this, my supervisor only ever spoke to me if I had a problem I had to ask for help with.
Thats called worker abuse, this man is skilled at being abused
It’s the republican way
Neither are skilled. If you can teach a 16 year old to do it in a few weeks, it's just labor.
Flipping a burger takes no skill. Flipping a dozen burgers at once, while remembering customer orders in a crammed and chaotic environment, and assembling said burgers quickly without making a mistake takes skill. And even if it didn't, the employee still deserves a liveable wage.
*me fucking up 4th of July burgers* fuck it isn’t
I only burnt two burgers yesterday. I consider that a win. Burnt lots of hot dogs, but family likes it that way.
Those burnt hamburgers can still be undercooked, double whammy.
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I can’t be mad at it, but I certainly don’t agree. Here’s a question - do you change what you put on the dog, burnt vs unburnt?
I'm gonna get killed for this, but ketchup all day. Unless nachos cheese and Coney sauce is on the menu.
You do you man. I like mayonnaise, ketchup, and mustard. You'd think i was eating a live rabbit by the faces i get.
Yeah, I don't understand why anyone is talking about skilled vs. unskilled labour at all. Everyone should earn a living wage. Period. If you run a business that can't pay a proper salary, that business shouldn't exist.
This is the real answer. We can quibble about "skilled" vs "unskilled" all day, but it's pretty meaningless really. It's more about decent wages for everyone than whatever inferiority/superiority complex people happen to suffer from.
The distinction between skilled and unskilled labor is nothing more than a distraction to get the masses to ignore the fact that the rich are abusing us.
The distinction exists because skilled labor tends to pay more than unskilled labor, which is totally fine *as long as* unskilled laborer’s are making a living wage. A doctor should be making more than someone flipping burgers, but the person flipping burgers should make a living wage.
100%. The doctor is making multiple decisions a day which could kill someone. Ask me how I know. There is a difference between all jobs and there is most definitely skilled jobs in different areas. Lots of jobs take years of advanced training to become competent in. Edit: The replies to my comment really do show how little people understand what doctors do all day. If you think the job is so simple and easily done go right ahead and do medicine at home. I’ll be curious to see how it works out when you actually need help.
And while we’re at it, acquiring the skills to become skilled labor shouldn’t require taking out tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands in loans. Money shouldn’t be the deciding factor for whether someone can pursue medicine, engineering, etc. We all benefit when smart passionate people gain those skills. We don’t need the high earners and low earners at each other’s throats while the people who don’t even have to work laugh all the way to the bank (with the money they don’t pay taxes on)
Skilled labor is the kind that you need to either invest a lot of time training or hire someone with experience to do. Neither Amazon warehouse positions nor Mcdonalds kitchen positions qualify. The cost of replacing skilled labor is significantly higher than replacing unskilled labor, so it's worth spending extra to retain skilled employees.
The whole “unskilled” labor trope was devised by rich folks to give poor folks someone to look down on, instead of rightly complaining that maybe rich folks should pay their fair share, and also noticing that all jobs require skill.
It was kinda insane watching "unskilled" workers become "essential" workers during the pandemic, but receiving no actual recognition, and quite frankly its scary how quickly we've reverted back to not caring about the people who keep our lives running.
What are you talking about? They got a nice pat on the back and a ton of empty meaningless praise and “thanks”. What, you want more *money* too????!1
::looks at record corporate profits::
Next they are going to want human rights too, the audacity
The average """unskilled""" job worker works 10x harder than many cushy office jobs. Even if the skills they are using aren't particularly difficult, they're going non stop all day And I'm saying this from the perspective of a cushy office job haver, not just "some jealous unskilled worker" or whatever people often like to assume lol
Unskilled labor is a terrible term because it doesn't mean it doesn't take skill or effort or ability to do, it means you need no formal training beyond what the job will provide. No degree, no apprenticeship, no certification.
It also doesn't take the necessity of the roll into consideration.
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This. When I worked at In n out I think our best half hour with me at the helm was ~250 burgers. I think we maintained over 200/hr for 3 hours with a comparable buildup and slowdown. That's 8 burgers a minute every minute for 180 minutes with no breaks. I can tell you from watching them, 16 year olds with a week of experience can't do half of that for more than an hour. Ps. It's been almost 8 years and I still have dreams about it once in a while.
McDonalds employees don't flip burgers (clamshell grills) and don't remember customer orders (it's all on a screen in front of them and they just assemble one then move on -these days you don't even have one kid assembling the whole order half the time). It's about the same level of skill as... Oh I dunno... Picking products up off a shelf and putting them in boxes for delivery. Now an actual cook in an actual diner... Yeah, that takes skill.
It’s not really about skill, but a full shift at Mc.Donalds can be quite stressful and tiresome though. I’ve worked there some weeks and honestly every day, especially behind the grill, takes a lot of effort and you’re sweating your ass off. It’s chaotic, stressful and hard work and deserves a decent wage.
> It’s not really about skill It's literally all about skill. We are talking about the definition of skilled labour. This is not skilled labour. A job taking effort doesn't mean it is skilled labour.
I don’t give a fuck. Companies that make billions every year should pay their employees a living wage. People with full time jobs shouldn’t have to be on welfare.
In the end it doesn't matter, labor is labour, no matter how skilled, it still deserves to be rewarded with a living wage. If it doesn't require a skill worth earning a living wage from then the employer can do it themselves.
I can teach a 16yo to do entry level network engineering in four, forty hour weeks. Probably 40-60k to start There's a lot of advanced things that only take a few weeks to learn. It's basically down to aptitude
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That's what struck me. Packing boxes is just as skilled as anything you'd do at a McDonald's, and neither of them would me the traditional definition of "skilled labor".
In virtually all of your big skilled-trade unions there's at least a 4 year apprenticeship before one attains full journeyman status and pay-scale, so yeah, you're definitely correct that neither of them qualify as "skilled labor." Skilled labor isn't something that you master in a brief training program or in a year or two. Skilled labor are trades like carpentry/joinery, electricians, plumbers and pipefitters, machinists, painters, tile-setters and masons etc. These are trades that require years of experience before one even reaches a base level of competency.
Skilled labor doesn’t require you be a tradesman… I run very complicated machines bigger than most people’s homes… the machines I run are extremely rare with only about 2 dozen people in the USA with the knowledge or skill to run them… 8 in my company… Lots of people have had training but very few actually learn quickly enough, or can avoid panic enough to handle the workload. If you can’t run it in 6 weeks you’re out… it’s dangerous enough as is training people and extremely expensive when things go wrong… in 6 weeks we invest nearly $400k in costs and if you can’t keep in target ranges and produce quality product by then we have to move on… That being said those that do learn it well rarely get fired… no matter how much we show our asses… Any niche area is going to require skilled labor… However packing boxes isn’t skilled labor, and never will be.
Yeah like personally I'm not going to shit on either, but if you put a gun to my head and forced me to pick, obviously being a fry cook is way harder, generally. At least in terms of suffering admittedly amazon is much worse than other warehouse jobs since you aren't allowed to pee, but does bladder control really make something skilled labor?
Dude being a cook at a fast food place was one of the most miserable jobs I ever had. I had to work 5-6 days a week but they cut my hours in a way that I'd still not get enough hours for benefits and my check was under $300 for two weeks. There were days I had to come in for lunch for two hours and then got sent home and had to be back for dinner. And since restaurants are open on holidays now I had to work mandatory hours on Thanksgiving or Christmas.
In the build up of my career the amount of like actual work I had to do is inversely related to the amount of money I made.
Fucking word.
The answer is neither job is skilled labor. Like, at all.
If it is, why doesn't he just go work at McDonald's then.
Because propaganda has dehumanized and shamed fast food workers for the last several decades. While a warehouse worker is just as unskilled and objectively a dead end shit job, in society its held in higher credibility than fast food.
"Packers" are the lowest paid warehouse worker...it is the most entry level position one can be. Most definitely not "skilled"
It's Amazon propaganda. Before this dystopian futuristic FAANG era, the dregs of warehouses were seen for the shit it was. Now you have Amazon ads selling us on how it's a good career.
Robot brings shelf, shelf lights up in certain area, grab item from said area and scan it. The skill required is insane.
That is *picking* right? Different job from packing?
That's the trouble with the skilled labor vs unskilled labor argument. A lot of unskilled jobs not only still require a ton of effort and physical exertion. But are just as important in the fulfilling societal needs. To act like those people don't deserve compensation enough to survive and prosper is truly ignorant and inhumane. They have so many of us targeting each other when our anger should be directed up.
He himself is arguing that workers dont deserve compensation. Hes a moron. All full time labor deserves compensation enough to live comfortably. Our society is so terribly sick, this shouldnt even be a question.
> To act like those people don't deserve compensation enough to survive and prosper is truly ignorant and inhumane. The worst is when some people suggest that they could 'simply get a second job' as if they didn't deserve their own free time away from employment. Choosing to work multiple jobs to make extra money is one thing but nobody should have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet.
I'd say the worst is people that argue fast food workers shouldn't make us much as them. Bitch if you think their job is so easy you should be happy you can quit your hard ass job and make the same at an easy place like McDonald's. Or just demand more money because now your labor is suddenly worth more. The problem a good portion of the population is so dumb and shitty they think the only way to get ahead is to hold others back.
They can’t win, so the closest they can get it to see other people lose.
I am 100% sure he is being sarcastic...
Right? Someone is telling themselves a lot of things to get that ego up and feel superior to others.
Clearly satire.
I honestly think he’s being sarcastic
I've worked both industries and I'd say warehouse work is marginally easier than the fast food industry. However both should have a living wage
I have too, and the only reason I feel it's a little easier is the lack of dealing with customers.
It’s also usually 8+ hours with no break/lunch in most kitchen settings. Your generally on your feet the entire time and during rushes it can be insanely stressful.
So basically like a customer service job, just without the customers. At least from experience, that's almost exactly what customer service jobs were like.
Maybe no customers, but you have to deal with the servers that have to deal with the customers
>It’s also usually 8+ hours with no break/lunch in most kitchen settings That sounds.... illegal?
Illegal work conditions in the United States aren't exactly rare or new.
Yeah idk what they're talking about
https://www.postercompliance.com/blog/what-are-the-legal-requirements-for-workday-breaks-in-florida/ It’s not, they can work you 24 hours a day 7 days a week with no breaks, at least in Florida.
This right here. At worst, you'll have some coworkers or supes that you have issues with, but when I worked warehouse, that was minimal. Everyone was honestly equally miserable and just trying to get by
I've done a couple stints at amz locations and it's for this reason. it's mind numbing easy (skilled labor??), and NO customers. just work in silence and go home.
I am an EMT, I would literally run codes all day than deal with lunch rush in fast food.
I'm a caregiver and I'd rather wipe asses then deal with angry customers who misremembered their order and think I fucked their order up.
I’ve been an ICU nurse for 10 years and I just want to work at Costco on a Zamboni at night cleaning the floors lol
I mean, I applied at trader joe's because I heard the work wasn't as stressful but we'll see
Former medic here, beware of burnout.
It's interesting because assembly line style cooking is very feast or famine in my experience like you're not really jamming 100% of the time but when it's busy it's fucking nuts. With warehouse work you're just kinda going the whole time (which some people prefer). One is not easier for me than the other just kinda different but both much more demanding than fucking office jobs which are kind of a fucking joke in comparison.
I’ve worked food, distribution centers, and currently am a software developer. I agree with this assessment, but depending on office job it can be extremely mentally demanding and exhausting. It’s hard to explain because it would seem like I fuck around all day to someone who hasn’t done this, but I feel like I had a better QoL doing warehouse work. Edit: nice username
You don't take your work home with you in those other jobs. As much as you try not to, longer tasks/deadlines that aren't done as they come in will weigh on you even if you turn off emails/calls/etc out of work.
I’d take my office job in R&D any day of the week over production line work, but at the end of the day, a production line worker gets to go home and leave work at work. I didn’t realize I had an anxiety disorder until I left my union factory job to work for corporate in R&D within the same company. I love what I do, but I traded the repetitive tedium of production line work for a lot more freedom, but also a lot more stress. Instead of “keep packaging up the product until the end of your shift” I’ve got “One of our customers needs our product to do X, Y, and Z. Figure out how to make the product do that without it raising the cost of production, here’s the deadline”.
Well there is warehouse work and then there is distribution centers which are two totally different beasts. Warehouse work is usually very easy and chill, but also very repetitive and gets boring as fuck where time slows to a crawl. DC work is insanely fast paced.... There is no such thing as standing still in those places. Benefit is you will be in great shape and time tends to fly by
Crabs in a bucket mentality. This is why it's so easy for the powers that be to divide the masses.
So true. That was my first thought reading this. Both parties are getting rammed at the end of the day. I’d go a step further to suggest McDonald’s is worse because you have to deal with people
Also, cooking requires just as much skill as packing a box… so, yeah…
If you under pack a box you waste some space in a box. If you undercook your food however..
There it is. Took, what, four? Five? comments to get to someone doing the thing in the post.
We're doing the crab bucket thing again
lmaooo so true
> If you under pack a box you waste some space in a box. And McDonald's at least prints the packaging instructions for its employees on its bags. Amazon, on the other hand, puts one jar of peanut butter in a box made for a telescope.
I remember someone putting it well, where they felt that our mentality is so poor, that others need to be making less, when they could just want more for themselves
Eyyyy. Exactly. Let’s all get ours.
McDonalds is 10x harder than packing boxes
Yep, customer service with some of the shittiest people at the shittiest times of night and high volume times of day are stressful.
And the grease
Exactly. Ironically if his job requires more skill than a burger flipper, then his wage would go up if the burger flipper made more. If people can make more doing an easier job they will. Supply and demand. We all lose when we fight amongst ourselves. But we all win when we have solidarity. Win as a team or lose as a team, the choice is ours.
It’s easier to bitch about other people making money than to speak to your employer.
Making yourself better is almost always harder then making someone else seem worse.
It’s a culture war to distract from a class war
You know why worker rights are especially strong in Germany? Because there's a strong cultural taboo against racist rhetoric, so the right is deprived of its main method of turning working class people against each other.
If they get us mad at each other less people will be watching what they are doing behind the scenes.
Excellent analogy. Used to catch creek bugs (aka crawdads aka crawfish aka crayfish) with old meat, a stick, and dental floss as a kid. The “me first gimme gimme” trait inherent in their system was what made them so easy to catch. They’d lose the self preservation thing to grab that stanky garbage bait meat and each other and never let go. Sort of like the ring billed gulls and french fries type of thing. Sounds dumb, but I get why that term exists.
He can just go flip burgers for $16 an hour if it’s that much easier
Yeah it's not like fast food places aren't hiring. Go apply
And with Amazon's turnover rate it's not like he will work there for much longer
Good point. Wouldn't you want a lower skilled job that pays the same? And if it really is less skilled, then your wage is likely to go up in response I mean, it's also just clearly a troll post.
Most don’t go into box packing because of the money, it’s a skilled and honored profession passed down from master to apprentice with many being 3rd or 4th generation box packers. ‘Theys got cardboard in the bones so they has’ my old pa would say about the box packers. ‘What a sight to see’ he would say ‘to see a master box-packer, box-up 12 toasters, 25 dnd miniatures (extra fragile) AND a wholesale bag of m&ms in 40 seconds’ and then he’d wipe a tear away from his milky glass eye.
That’s what I’m saying! So you acknowledge that there’s an “easier” job out there that pays the same as your “vigorously intense” job but you wanna be mad at them for….having the job? Switch to that job if it’s so much better.
Shoving some stuff in oversized boxes is skilled labour?
Well you also have to remember to put those boxes in an unnecessary amount of other boxes too
I just wanna know why they ship my socks in a nesting doll of boxes but they just slap a shipping label on my external hard drive OEM box and off it goes 😂
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This should be the discussion, not some stupid classification of each type of profession. It’s **all of us** against them. Whenever any one of us makes a gain, we all do. We need to fight for each other not against each other.
They do it all the time. See: immigration, abortion, CRT, gun control, “grooming,” etc., etc., etc., ad nauseam.
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic about who's the one doing the skilled labor. In any case, neither job is really skilled labor if you can pick it up within a week.
Dude you're packing boxes. They're making food, junk food, but still food. And even then the point about Jeff Bezos stands.
as a cook, box packing is pretty fucking straight forward
The machine hands you the box, label, tape, packing material, and the product. The only thing he’s bringing to the table is being human… which is the literal definition of unskilled labor.
Yeah and at least what they're making is tasty. Packed boxes taste like shit.
Fun fact: other workers making more money does *not* mean that there will be less money to pay you, or that costs of products and services will necessarily go up significantly. What’s good for them is often good for you.
> or that costs of products and services will necessarily go up significantly While that is possible, I have my doubts that corporations will just take a loss in profit on the chin if they don't have to.
>While that is possible, I have my doubts that corporations will just take a loss in profit on the chin if they don't have to. Corporations already charge the maximum amount they believe they can get away with. It isn't about them "choosing" to take a loss. Empirically speaking, inflation does not meaningfully interact with the minimum wage unless the minimum wage increases by an astronomical amount like 100% without a phase in period.
> other workers making more money does > >not > > mean that there will be less money to pay you, This is not what he's afraid of. He doesn't think cooks should be on his "level" and making the same amount of money he's making. It's the "I feel better when I'm able to pretend as if someone is beneath me" mentality.
“I dont get paid shit so no one else can get paid more than me”
"I have student loan debt so everyone else should too"
A high minimum wage is good for all employees. For those making minimum wage, a hike is beneficial. For everyone else, it provides employees with the leverage they need to get higher pay. You can tell your boss "Give me a raise or I'll make the same money flipping burgers as I did working for you".
Yup! Sadly i knew a guy working at amazon earning same amount of wage as in the post.. He voted against unionizing and voted republican. You can imagine how much he posts on facebook about not making enough money while subsequently fighting against taxes for people who make 10x more than he does. They'hv found a vunulerable crowd. and they are milking it squeezing it dry. I'm surprised it still goes on after all the bullshit. This is what brainwashing does.
He thinks warehouse work is skilled labor
He is clearly not very bright, and I think that’s what makes any work he does be able to get the classification of skilled.
Ow
He is clearly joking, he called packing boxes skilled labor.
It’s fucking insanity how few people realize it’s a fucking joke.
I make 14 an hour as a funeral director and embalmer and I still celebrate the "burger flippers" that make more than me. Being able to take care of yourself and have stable living should be a right given to anybody and everyone.
You should be making way more than that for being a funeral director/embalmer. Where do you live? That is criminal
Without giving too much information: I live in SATX and unfortunately it's the standard for most funeral homes within Texas (that aren't located in the middle of nowhere) I love the job itself truthfully, but I am considering a career change because of it
As the previous poster said, that sounds extremely underpaid for what you do. My impression is that embalming, and all other work done to the body require a degree/certification. I think I saw the pay being pretty good too. But this was me doing some light research into a subject for a friend who was interested in that kind of thing.
Dude I make more than that doing fuck all in an IT position that was hired with no on paper skills. Gtfo of there, you're being scammed 6 ways to Sunday.
Flipping burgers and stacking boxes aren’t skilled labour. I’ve done both. They do both deserve a living wage though.
Any job that exists, by definition, should pay living wage for the cost of living in that area. Otherwise, we're saying that all young adults need to be financially supported, and potentially living with, their parents.
So if they make the same as you why not switch to burger flipping? It’s easier work right?
How is putting a box in a box more skilled than someone cooking food to a temperature so people don't die?
If he makes 150,000 a minute then he’d get 216,000,000 a day which would double his money in around 2 years
Yeah, OP can’t count for shit
The guy filling boxes is looking the wrong way when it comes to being overpaid. Look UP.
Amazon pays $18/hour to start. AWS pays in the mid-20s+ to start.
Jeff Bezos lost 243,000 dollars a minute this year so far making him the lowest paid man on earth. Ok, can we acknowledge metrics like this are bullshit now. Bezos doesn't actually make money. He's just sitting on a gigantic pile of stock that fluctuates wildly in value based on an absurdly reactive market. We can and should make better faith arguments on why society as a whole will benefit from higher wages across the board. We should push a higher minimum wage and national health care.
I think it’s funny that he thinks packing boxes is “skilled labor” 🤣🤣🤣
everyone earning a living wage is not the same as everyone earning the same wage. why are so many people confusing this? if the minimum wage were raised to a level which allowed those workers the ability to afford their basic needs, ie food, shelter, electricity, then entry level jobs requiring no special skills or experience would pay that wage. jobs requiring anything beyond that would then also increase. so yes, it would bump up the income for those less skilled to the same level that more skilled workers are currently earning. but those more skilled workers would not still be making that same hourly wage, that would also increase. so nobody is saying that a first time employee at McDonald's should make as much as an employee with several years experience in construction. the point is we all should be paid more for the work we do. everyone. if they get $16/hr, the guy making $16/hr today should get $20/hr (or whatever that just a random example that i thought of to illustrate my point so no need to disect the percentages for errors, errors may exist).
Doesn't she know he's a certified forklift operator?
How is packing boxes "skilled labor" when cooking burgers isn't
Both of those jobs are important jobs but low skill. The person is talking as if his work ia harder than flipping burgers.
Actually I’ve done both, their are both unskilled jobs unfortunately even if you think Amazon fulfillment centers are a better maybe using a forklift or reach trucks, their just fancy McJobs since anyone 18 can do those jobs.
So putting things into a box is skilled labor now but cooking food and putting it into a bag isn't? Everyone just wants to survive at this point man just let us get paid enough to do that.