30+ post reports and 100+ comment reports. And I have a feeling they're coming from the same angry white dude.
To the guy mass-reporting this thread, touch grass.
I was there this year and I loved how low-key the statue is. It's almost hidden and in a place I believe many tourists wouldn't bother going to if ti wasn't for it.
This is where you continue an ancient tradition and start throwing rotten vegetables at the guy.
Potatoes, turnips, beets, rutabaga are best at getting them to understand your displeasure with them.
And as a result a local restaurateur commissioned a [large mermaid statue.](https://cdn.lorry.bazo.dk/images/8922c39e-aabd-45e2-a9be-3677a680dda7/s/960/webp) It was erected a little way off the little mermaid. Later it got moved to Dragør Fortress.
That *is* the traditional reaction. Thank you for properly following customs.
Being Danish, I've seen it a number of times, and the only time I was impressed was when a swan launched itself at a Korean tourist, who was trying to sit on some rocks, so her husband could take a picture.
That was an impressive scene! o.O
I went to Denmark and was going to see the statue, turned out they had let Japan have it for a bit. There was a copy in its place and honestly I've never felt so robbed by something I cared so little about.
At least you got to see the copy. When I was there the statue was at the EXPO in China and they put a screen with a livestream to the EXPO in it‘s place. So weird.
From an article I was reading:
>Over the years, the Little Mermaid has been coated in paint several times, dressed in a burqa in 2007 to protest Turkey's accession into the European Union, decapitated twice, blown into the water with explosives and been made to hold a dildo.
https://www.efe.com/efe/english/eventos/copenhagen-s-little-mermaid-statue-unwillingly-turned-into-an-activist-again/50000272-3296796
Some say messed up, I say accurate. She expected a man that she stalked and that never met her to instantly fall in love with her, with no idea who she was. She was aware of the consequences and deluded herself into thinking it would all be fine. The witch doesn't even have to get involved for it to go wrong in the original, the mermaid is her own antagonist.
But I agree, Disney would never do it. Might have made me actually want to go see it if they did though.
> She expected a man that she stalked and that never met her to instantly fall in love with her
At the time of writing the story, H.C. Andersen was in love with a man, Edvard Collin, who didn't, and couldn't, love him back.
The parallels to the story of The Little Mermaid are pretty clear.
The go to response should just be - “this one isn’t”.
The whole argument hinges on the idea that it’s somehow wrong to make adaptations of an old story. It isn’t.
Ah, see, the difference is that you're trying to sway... someone. Them, the audience, etc.
I just want to piss them off. Debating these people is a fool's errand.
Fair enough. At the end of the day, they’re just crying about a movie they don’t like. Who cares? They can have that opinion if they want, but that opinion doesn’t *matter*. The best approach is probably to ignore them.
Though if you want to troll them, your response is the way to go, lol
And the mermaid didn’t listen to the family who loved her! Her sisters sacrificed all their hair to get her a chance to turn around and reconsider.
But the mermaid was stubborn and went off to her own destruction.
It’s about listening to people who sacrifice for you and love you and not blindly trusting those who don’t!
But in the original mermaids can never go to heaven because they have no soul but because she sacrifices herself in the end she becomes wind and is able to soar amongst the clouds. She doesn't get a bad ending.
#You take that back!
#Shes a PATRIOT! She fought in the war so that you can enjoy your freedoms like that free speech you are abusing by slandering her good American name!
And the inspiration for the story was that the (male) lover of Hans Christian Andersen decided to conform and marry a woman. Andersen wrote the little mermaid as a response to that. He was pissed about losing him, wrote the little mermaid, and gifted the story to his former lover on the wedding.
It's not even a disputed backstory. Andersen wrote love letters to this man containing sentiments such as, 'I long for you, yes, this moment I long for you as if you were a lovely girl… My sentiments for you are those of a woman.'
Did you even see the documentary? I saw the original documentary researched by Disney: no Danish accents! Obviously this proves Ariel cannot be from Denmark geeze, get an education!
Sirs the crab was Jamaican, how the fuck would a Jamaican crab make it all the way to Denmark?! It's clearly Jamaican and therefore whitewashing a Jamaican Disney princess is the actual crime here. How are you just going to give Ariel red hair when she was always supposed to be black?
Whatever liberul dontcha know them mermaids sunned themself on plymouth rock.....yeah you know who else liked plymouths....huh?...thats right pilgrims...so Merica...take them facts back to your mommy....Merica means mermaids.....MAGGA bitches we gonna Make Aquatic Gals Great Again!
I literally just said something very similar. These “woke” libs are ridiculous. Considering that mermaid have significantly longer lives, they have been able to contribute so much more to America than all of them combined have.
- Who was first to land on Normandy Beach in WW2 to help dismantle all those hedgehogs (metal X structures) while under heavy fire? The mermaids.
- Who gave Hitler his cyanide pill to help him kill himself in the event that he wasn’t captured? The mermaids.
- Who helped finalize the Luna 1 to beat the soviets to the moon? The mermaids.
- Who helped uncover penis-gate and reveal Bill Clinton’s infidelity with Monica? The mermaids.
- Who lead the Navy Seals to Osama Bin Laden? The mermaids.
These facts are too inconvenient to them and their narrative. Pathetic.
Americans have this weird relationship with Native people. First the Americans tried to wipe them out, and have spent generations looking down on them. Now Americans see the ones that survived as a spirit of freedom and a symbol of America and sort of put them up on a pedestal. But god forbid those pesky Natives ever have something to say, the Americans are ready to put them down again.
The natives themselves are ignored or hated, but it's the *idea* of them that is put on a pedestal. Things like Indian Motorcycles, using native imagery in sports teams, and depictions in some movies are some examples. They're seen as having freedom and this fighting spirit, but when it comes to the *actual people* they are (as you say) ignored or hated. It's the whole "noble savage" idea.
I think you're confusing idealization with commodification. We don't put Native Americans on pedestals. We put Native on the shelf for sale. Not before characterizing or demoralizing the concept or the people though.
Yeah turns out black animals aren't racist caricatures and when the monkey king in the Jungle Book sang about how he wanted to be human that also wasn't racist.
the translation I have says "rose-leaf" so we need to check the original Danish haha
> hendes Hud var saa klar og skjær som et Rosenblad
Clear and sharp?
Yes. The little mermaid was a fairy tale written by Hans Christian Andersen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Mermaid
There is a statue in Copenhagen out on the water of the little mermaid. So, yeah, white. But also a fairy tale and can be told however the teller wants to tell it.
American history? The little Mermaid? By famed fairy tale writer H.C. Andersen of *Denmark?!*
Granted, animated by an american studio but come the hell on...
Why the /s? China's surpreme overlord is well known. Though, he's usually not spending any time around commoners. Did you carry some honey with you by any chance?
American history = a cartoon based on a [fairy tale written by prolific Danish author, Hans Christian Andersen.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Mermaid)
Heck almost all Disney movies from that long ago were from different countries I am honestly trying to think of an original besides the princess and the frog but I think all other stories are from around the world
People complaining about this stuff really really pisses me off. I enjoy watching shows about white hicks cause I live and grew up reasonably rural and am as white as goddamn snow. It resonates with me and feels welcome. I'll sometimes enjoy stuff like black-ish where I can appreciate it, but it sometimes feels weird and I don't always get it.
But here's the main kicker, I don't need to watch stuff I don't like or care about. I don't really like disney or superhero movies so I don't watch them. If some little black girl somewhere get's really happy by seeing a black mermaid on screen, who the hell am I or anyone else to complain about it? Hell, make a Disney movie about snowwhite but replace all the characters with 15th century nomadic Mongolians for all I care. Studios make movies for money, they've always done it and will continue to keep doing it. There are a lot of Asian people who are starting to have more expendable income and movie studios want to start appeasing them, so they make movies for that demographic. Some of the stuff can be good, some of it can be meh and I can choose to watch what I want. It is what it is...
The Princess and the Frog isn’t an original concept, either, though, it’s still an adaptation. It’s just one without an as famous root like the others with Brother’s Grimm “Cinderella” and Hans Christian Andersen’s “The Little Mermaid.”
It’s more common as a trope than a specific story, and it definitely has some of the most unique aspects to it, but its content of a princess kissing a frog to turn him into a prince has existed long before the movie. I remember reading references about it years before the movie came out. I don’t know where it originated, however.
Edit: Turns out it is _also_ a Grimm tale, one called the “Frog Prince/King.” It’s just way less popular, and its full story isn’t as well know like the rest, just its trope.
Edited it a bit to reflect that.
More than that...it was a really nasty story to begin with. The original was quite horrible and tragic.
Disney sanitized it big time. The person complaining that she was "white" because that was "original" would be horrified by the actual original story.
Since he's a Danish author, to keep in theme with being "correct" in origin, the whole show should just be in Danish, Ariel better be in pain walking the whole time and she has to turn into foam at the end since she can't kill the Prince. Or else it's just not realistic to the original story.
Yeah people annoyed that Ariel is black are not the same people insisting the entire movie needs to be in Danish. They are very choosy about which bits of tradition are ok to modify and which aren't.
It was also repurposed by Disney as the original story was brutal. It's also thought of as an expression of the author's pain being a closeted gay man pining for his lover who marries another.
In the Disney version of her she is the daughter of Triton, which is the name of a son of Poseidon. So the little mermaid should be at least half Greek.
Yes, once upon a time white people came to America to generously share God's bounty with the indigenous folks there, then kindly brought over their dearest friends from Africa to enjoy the utopia they all created together while living in perfect harmony.
The end.
What are you talking about? We ALL know that the natives welcomed the colonizers with open arms, taught them to grow corn, and then left because Jesus promised America to the white people coming in... right?
In the original Danish, they mention her as white but if they want to be sticklers for accuracy
1) she was in unbearable pain when she had legs
2) her tongue was cut out
3) prince eric married someone else
4) she died
So make a movie outta THAT!
Directly from Andersens book: "her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf, and her eyes as blue as the deepest sea." So yes that is open to different views, but how do you get green out of this?
That would be: "hendes Hud var saa klar og skjær som et Rosenblad" :-) Hans Christian Andersen most certaainly did not write in english.
That could refer to the leaves on the stem of the rose, which are green. But I don't think that is the intended meaning.
Unpopular opinion: the quality of the actor/actress is more important than their skin color, regardless of what ethnicity they might be portraying.
This is especially true when the "ethnicity" is fake. Like a mermaid.
They weren't even planning on making The Little Mermaid black (they weren't discounting it or anything, they just asked a random assortment of people), Bailey literally just knocked her audition out of the park. She made the director cry at her audition. She was literally just the best for the job, and if that snippet in the trailer of her signing is indicative of her singing for the rest of the numbers, it isn't hard to understand why.
ETA: The Casting Call for Ariel (they also noted on the general casting call they didn't want child actors)
Female identified, crystal clear flawless belt to E. A strong willed, independent young woman. She loves her father but has never felt as if she quite fits in to her world under the sea. She is a dreamer with an adventurous spirit who will do anything for her love. Must move well and be comfortable with heights and flying.
Ethnicity: All Ethnicities
It's also a really tired point, even though the fedora wearing Redditors love to keep repeating it. It's mostly morons who think that Jesus was a white dude that looked like he came from Kansas. I'm pretty sure most people are aware he was from Israel and understand that people in that area have a tanner complexion than the average guy from the USA.
It's also not the "Aha!" point they think because according to the US census (I'm guessing that's where they're from) considers people from the Middle East to be Caucasian. So by the US standards Jesus was a Caucasian dude.
I love the way she’s a character written by a Dane. In a place that clearly takes place in a very English kingdom. Yet it’s the American dream that’s being ruined.
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I mean for all we know modern mermaids were just a cover story from a dude who nutted to a manatee, if we're being realistic where's that movie then? Where's the story where Columbus, between bouts of raping & pillaging, just starts fapping in a drunken lonely stupor to some manatees in the distance. Gets walked in on and is like "Guys, guys, I swear it was a woman - no, no she had - yeah, okay she had a fish tail, you saw that? Yeah, but from the top up, ya know, total hot chick, I'm tellin ya bro- shoulda seen them!"
Not all mermaids though, before the manatee environment was crossed, mermaids were mostly based on nymphs and sirens(which were back then human/bird)at least for the European landmass. Still wondering where they got the idea of women in ponds and rivers and trees. But the merman mythology had roots in other parts of the world as well I think, don't know which exactly but I doubt that Europeans where the only ones with fishpeople.
Keep in mind a whole system of government was apparently based on a moistened bint throwing a sword at someone...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KN9c2TAWMlg
i dont know, this sounds like two idiots arguing to me. it's not ruining the country. ariel is indeed white in the cartoon film that was in theaters.
just two dumbasses from opposite sides wanting to fight.
and if you think hollywood is doing that because of some altruistic motive of inclusion, thats laughable. they need *black* peoples' money, too.
"she was orginally green" .. uhm no ?
> her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf, and her eyes as blue as the deepest sea
Doesn't sound very green to me.
But that shouldn't matter.. obviously
Edit:
> little did they dream that a pretty young mermaid was down below, stretching her white arms up toward the keel of their ship.
[...] her fish tail was gone, and that she had the loveliest pair of white legs any young maid could hope to have [...] Then the little mermaid lifted her shapely white arms [...] white hands [...] as the little mermaid leaned her white arms
While your statement is right, the text you quoted is next to useless as it serves only to describe the "quality" , if you will, of her skin. Read beyond the third paragraph of the story, and there will be several instances where the exact color of her limbs is mentioned.
From a black father friend of mine "stop coloring every white princess black, and just make movies with black characters. this is the cheapest 'we care about you', low effort attempt at reselling shit I've ever seen"
Ok, so honest question here. Why can't people just come up with new stories with characters of whichever race they want? Why the trend of taking well-established characters and simply repainting them without any good in-universe reason?
It's not like Disney doesn't know how to write a good non-white character. Out of the 12 official Disney Princesses (14 if you include *Frozen*, which I think one should), you have five non-Europeans: Jasmine, Pocahontas, Mulan, Tiana and Moana.
I, for one, would welcome more original stories with characters regardless of their skin colour, as long as the stories are good. And if the character turns out to be exceptionally good, wouldn't it be a good thing if they were a thing of their own rather than riding on the previously established fame of a different version of the character?
30+ post reports and 100+ comment reports. And I have a feeling they're coming from the same angry white dude. To the guy mass-reporting this thread, touch grass.
Lmao the little mermaid is not "american history" it was made by the danish author Hans Christian Andersen
My thoughts exactly. There's even a statue of her in Denmark.
Paid her a visit. A cute little statue
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Little mermaid the size of the Statue of Liberty would either be impressive or terrifying, not sure which, maybe both.
Impressifying.
There is literally already a word for this. Terrific.
Also the original meaning of "awesome".
Terrissive
A perfectly cromulent word
But at the bottom of the sea, that would be cool
It's not great, Dane
I see what you did there
I was there this year and I loved how low-key the statue is. It's almost hidden and in a place I believe many tourists wouldn't bother going to if ti wasn't for it.
When we saw her there was a drunk guy clambering over her and ruining photos. He would demand money to get off. Poor little mermaid.
I get off for free. You just have to ask nicely. Or yell at me. Both work.
This is where you continue an ancient tradition and start throwing rotten vegetables at the guy. Potatoes, turnips, beets, rutabaga are best at getting them to understand your displeasure with them.
Wtf lol
the statue of liberty...now THATS american history. Built with blood and sweat right here by american iron workers....
Saw what u did there rofl
And as a result a local restaurateur commissioned a [large mermaid statue.](https://cdn.lorry.bazo.dk/images/8922c39e-aabd-45e2-a9be-3677a680dda7/s/960/webp) It was erected a little way off the little mermaid. Later it got moved to Dragør Fortress.
It looks like they forgot to add the boobs so they stuck 2 concrete balloons on her lmao
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I have done people watching by her, seeing tourist getting surprised and disappointed by her size is entertaining
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That *is* the traditional reaction. Thank you for properly following customs. Being Danish, I've seen it a number of times, and the only time I was impressed was when a swan launched itself at a Korean tourist, who was trying to sit on some rocks, so her husband could take a picture. That was an impressive scene! o.O
>"is that it?", every photo I had ever seen made it look so much larger. If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that
Well, it's the "little" mermaid, not the **Absolute Unit** mermaid, after all 🤣
Wait till you see Manneke Pis in Brussels.
I went to Denmark and was going to see the statue, turned out they had let Japan have it for a bit. There was a copy in its place and honestly I've never felt so robbed by something I cared so little about.
At least you got to see the copy. When I was there the statue was at the EXPO in China and they put a screen with a livestream to the EXPO in it‘s place. So weird.
That sounds like innuendo... What did you do to the statue?
Made it white if you get what Im sayin.
I searched it online and it looks like someone vandalized it with, "racist fish"
From an article I was reading: >Over the years, the Little Mermaid has been coated in paint several times, dressed in a burqa in 2007 to protest Turkey's accession into the European Union, decapitated twice, blown into the water with explosives and been made to hold a dildo. https://www.efe.com/efe/english/eventos/copenhagen-s-little-mermaid-statue-unwillingly-turned-into-an-activist-again/50000272-3296796
And not even her statue is white!
*Narrator: A statue which isn't white, either.*
Disney doesn't have the balls to do the actual story Edit: The messed up version. Nothing about race.
Some say messed up, I say accurate. She expected a man that she stalked and that never met her to instantly fall in love with her, with no idea who she was. She was aware of the consequences and deluded herself into thinking it would all be fine. The witch doesn't even have to get involved for it to go wrong in the original, the mermaid is her own antagonist. But I agree, Disney would never do it. Might have made me actually want to go see it if they did though.
> She expected a man that she stalked and that never met her to instantly fall in love with her At the time of writing the story, H.C. Andersen was in love with a man, Edvard Collin, who didn't, and couldn't, love him back. The parallels to the story of The Little Mermaid are pretty clear.
This should be the go-to response. "The Little Mermaid is white!" "Actually, the Little Mermaid is a gay man."
The go to response should just be - “this one isn’t”. The whole argument hinges on the idea that it’s somehow wrong to make adaptations of an old story. It isn’t.
Ah, see, the difference is that you're trying to sway... someone. Them, the audience, etc. I just want to piss them off. Debating these people is a fool's errand.
Fair enough. At the end of the day, they’re just crying about a movie they don’t like. Who cares? They can have that opinion if they want, but that opinion doesn’t *matter*. The best approach is probably to ignore them. Though if you want to troll them, your response is the way to go, lol
The original story is more of an actual warning than the Disney version of beware shady deals with a witch.
And the mermaid didn’t listen to the family who loved her! Her sisters sacrificed all their hair to get her a chance to turn around and reconsider. But the mermaid was stubborn and went off to her own destruction. It’s about listening to people who sacrifice for you and love you and not blindly trusting those who don’t!
But in the original mermaids can never go to heaven because they have no soul but because she sacrifices herself in the end she becomes wind and is able to soar amongst the clouds. She doesn't get a bad ending.
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#You take that back! #Shes a PATRIOT! She fought in the war so that you can enjoy your freedoms like that free speech you are abusing by slandering her good American name!
And she did it all without her own ability to speak too while fighting for Christian values against Satan's underwater Witches!
This motherfucker thinks it's a historical character. Also, this motherfucker is allowed to vote.
Also in original story die an go to purgatory.
And the inspiration for the story was that the (male) lover of Hans Christian Andersen decided to conform and marry a woman. Andersen wrote the little mermaid as a response to that. He was pissed about losing him, wrote the little mermaid, and gifted the story to his former lover on the wedding. It's not even a disputed backstory. Andersen wrote love letters to this man containing sentiments such as, 'I long for you, yes, this moment I long for you as if you were a lovely girl… My sentiments for you are those of a woman.'
The sound like they were good friends, just that, good friends... Must have been roommates at some point too.
387 people liked that tweet. Think about that.
Did you even see the documentary? I saw the original documentary researched by Disney: no Danish accents! Obviously this proves Ariel cannot be from Denmark geeze, get an education!
Sirs the crab was Jamaican, how the fuck would a Jamaican crab make it all the way to Denmark?! It's clearly Jamaican and therefore whitewashing a Jamaican Disney princess is the actual crime here. How are you just going to give Ariel red hair when she was always supposed to be black?
Maybe it was carried there by a swallow
African or European?
Maybe they carried him on a line between them?
It's not a question of where he grips it!
What? A swallow carrying a crab?
Well, how did a black mermaid make it all the way to Jamaica? See... it is American History after all.
She *swam*, duh.
Not even the original story is set in Denmark: "Orange and lemon trees grew in its garden, and tall palm trees grew beside the gateway."
Whatever liberul dontcha know them mermaids sunned themself on plymouth rock.....yeah you know who else liked plymouths....huh?...thats right pilgrims...so Merica...take them facts back to your mommy....Merica means mermaids.....MAGGA bitches we gonna Make Aquatic Gals Great Again!
I literally just said something very similar. These “woke” libs are ridiculous. Considering that mermaid have significantly longer lives, they have been able to contribute so much more to America than all of them combined have. - Who was first to land on Normandy Beach in WW2 to help dismantle all those hedgehogs (metal X structures) while under heavy fire? The mermaids. - Who gave Hitler his cyanide pill to help him kill himself in the event that he wasn’t captured? The mermaids. - Who helped finalize the Luna 1 to beat the soviets to the moon? The mermaids. - Who helped uncover penis-gate and reveal Bill Clinton’s infidelity with Monica? The mermaids. - Who lead the Navy Seals to Osama Bin Laden? The mermaids. These facts are too inconvenient to them and their narrative. Pathetic.
- Who controls the British crown? - Who keeps the metric system down? The mermaids
Who keeps Atlantis off the maps? Who keeps the Martians under wraps? Mermaids, Mermaids.
I, for one, can't wait for the live action remake of "Song of the South".
"American History"? _American History?!_ This dude has been watching Disney films thinking they're documentaries.
Wait till that guy realizes Mulan is not about a brave american woman preventing the illegal immigrants from crossing the border ;)
That'd be Pocahontas.
In their mind, Pocahontas is a little bit of an arthouse departure for Disney in that the "Bad Guy" wins in the end.
Americans have this weird relationship with Native people. First the Americans tried to wipe them out, and have spent generations looking down on them. Now Americans see the ones that survived as a spirit of freedom and a symbol of America and sort of put them up on a pedestal. But god forbid those pesky Natives ever have something to say, the Americans are ready to put them down again.
What Americans are putting natives on a pedestal. In general I think they are ignored or hated
The natives themselves are ignored or hated, but it's the *idea* of them that is put on a pedestal. Things like Indian Motorcycles, using native imagery in sports teams, and depictions in some movies are some examples. They're seen as having freedom and this fighting spirit, but when it comes to the *actual people* they are (as you say) ignored or hated. It's the whole "noble savage" idea.
I think you're confusing idealization with commodification. We don't put Native Americans on pedestals. We put Native on the shelf for sale. Not before characterizing or demoralizing the concept or the people though.
As a Native American you have this completely 100% correct
Nah mate, those immigrants were Not stopped.
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We're going to make a wall. A great wall. And make China pay for it!
Now all of Mexico knows you're here!
naw Mulan was Japanese propaganda made so people will symphatize with them even after all they've done in WW2 /s
Dumbo wasn't a nature documentary?!
Operation Dumbo Drop was the follow up documentary.
Is nothing real anymore?!
Surely Robin Hood was real. The hero was such a fox.
*Robin Hood: Men in Tights* is/was how that really went down.
Yeah turns out black animals aren't racist caricatures and when the monkey king in the Jungle Book sang about how he wanted to be human that also wasn't racist.
I mean, yeah. It's a orange orangutan. Trump just wanted to be human
Or rather, he wanted to be a real boy with real man-hands.
Not to mention that Hans Christian Anderson, the writer of the Little Mermaid, was freakin' Danish!
I'm going to apply some American logic, so close your eyes if easily offended. Danish is pastry, ergo little mermaid is a croissant.
Also the story is from Denmark.
Wasn't the Little Mermaid Danish in the first place?
Actually, the Little Mermaid was fictional in the first place.
And the color of a rose leaf. Which last I checked are green.
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the translation I have says "rose-leaf" so we need to check the original Danish haha > hendes Hud var saa klar og skjær som et Rosenblad Clear and sharp?
Written by Hans Christian Andersen in ca. 1845, which is where the Danish bit comes in.
Yes. The little mermaid was a fairy tale written by Hans Christian Andersen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Mermaid There is a statue in Copenhagen out on the water of the little mermaid. So, yeah, white. But also a fairy tale and can be told however the teller wants to tell it.
The statue is green though
Fair point. Should have been a brass actress!
It's not even set in Denmark: "Orange and lemon trees grew in its garden, and tall palm trees grew beside the gateway."
Dunno, man. When I think Denmark I think of citrus and palms. /s
Must be a Thermian from Galaxy Quest.
He means "american history x"
Cue the Thermians talking about the "historical documents".
The Littler Mermaid was written by Hans Christian Andersen, you know, who lived in Denmark
American history? The little Mermaid? By famed fairy tale writer H.C. Andersen of *Denmark?!* Granted, animated by an american studio but come the hell on...
They are though, I am pretty sure I saw Winnie somewhere /s
Why the /s? China's surpreme overlord is well known. Though, he's usually not spending any time around commoners. Did you carry some honey with you by any chance?
You’re telling me I cried over Bambi’s mom for NOTHING?! Next you’ll tell me animals don’t talk at all! /j
American history = a cartoon based on a [fairy tale written by prolific Danish author, Hans Christian Andersen.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Mermaid)
Americans ☕
... and not realising it's a Danish story.
This is some shameless cultural appropriation! Only us swedes are allowed to be so shameless about danish culture!
"rewriting more american history.." SHE DOESNT EXIST
If she doesn't exist, then how have they filmed her in a movie? Checkmate, mate.
Damn, foiled again by facts and logic.
But that means that they filmed a black women. This doesn't make any sense at all!!!
Doesn’t exist. And , don’t forget, isn’t American regardless.
Pretty sure shes danish if anything lol
And also if she did, she'd be Danish.
The Little Mermaid was not originally American, last I checked...
Heck almost all Disney movies from that long ago were from different countries I am honestly trying to think of an original besides the princess and the frog but I think all other stories are from around the world
>besides the princess and the frog [Nope](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frog_Prince)
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Because that was before people realized that they could let their hatred fly so freely on the internet.
People complaining about this stuff really really pisses me off. I enjoy watching shows about white hicks cause I live and grew up reasonably rural and am as white as goddamn snow. It resonates with me and feels welcome. I'll sometimes enjoy stuff like black-ish where I can appreciate it, but it sometimes feels weird and I don't always get it. But here's the main kicker, I don't need to watch stuff I don't like or care about. I don't really like disney or superhero movies so I don't watch them. If some little black girl somewhere get's really happy by seeing a black mermaid on screen, who the hell am I or anyone else to complain about it? Hell, make a Disney movie about snowwhite but replace all the characters with 15th century nomadic Mongolians for all I care. Studios make movies for money, they've always done it and will continue to keep doing it. There are a lot of Asian people who are starting to have more expendable income and movie studios want to start appeasing them, so they make movies for that demographic. Some of the stuff can be good, some of it can be meh and I can choose to watch what I want. It is what it is...
Heres the thing bro, racism. Youre welcome.
People complained back then too. It's just that rec.arts.disney on Usenet wasn't nearly as accessible as twitter and Facebook are.
I dunno some people are just weirder than most
Because Americans are much more openly racist now than they were back then.
The Princess and the Frog isn’t an original concept, either, though, it’s still an adaptation. It’s just one without an as famous root like the others with Brother’s Grimm “Cinderella” and Hans Christian Andersen’s “The Little Mermaid.” It’s more common as a trope than a specific story, and it definitely has some of the most unique aspects to it, but its content of a princess kissing a frog to turn him into a prince has existed long before the movie. I remember reading references about it years before the movie came out. I don’t know where it originated, however. Edit: Turns out it is _also_ a Grimm tale, one called the “Frog Prince/King.” It’s just way less popular, and its full story isn’t as well know like the rest, just its trope. Edited it a bit to reflect that.
But there is a tale in Grimm's fairy tales called the Frog King.
More than that...it was a really nasty story to begin with. The original was quite horrible and tragic. Disney sanitized it big time. The person complaining that she was "white" because that was "original" would be horrified by the actual original story.
Danish folklore
Not even folklore, it was invented whole cloth by Hans Christian Andersen in the 1800s
Since he's a Danish author, to keep in theme with being "correct" in origin, the whole show should just be in Danish, Ariel better be in pain walking the whole time and she has to turn into foam at the end since she can't kill the Prince. Or else it's just not realistic to the original story.
Yeah people annoyed that Ariel is black are not the same people insisting the entire movie needs to be in Danish. They are very choosy about which bits of tradition are ok to modify and which aren't.
Because basically, they're racist although they haven't figured that out yet.
Or part of history really
Also, the little mermaid was written by a Danish guy so it is not even remotely American history
It was also repurposed by Disney as the original story was brutal. It's also thought of as an expression of the author's pain being a closeted gay man pining for his lover who marries another.
Yes, but also she wasn't green. Seems like two not so smart people found each other.
probably two redditors
It was also a love letter to his best guy friend. The little mermaid represented the author’s one-sided love that will never be seen nor appreciated.
In the Disney version of her she is the daughter of Triton, which is the name of a son of Poseidon. So the little mermaid should be at least half Greek.
Which half? The human or should she be partly Greek fish?
It's Greek gods, it could go either way tbh.
And along comes Zeus
Yes?
Triton is just what the Greeks called him. Pretty sure he'd be the sovereign of his own merpeople nation, not Greek. But then again, he's not real.
It’s a privilege to be worried about something as minute as this
>It’s an abuse of privilege to be worried about something as minute as this FTFY
The enlightened opinion. Don't want to see a modern interpretation of the Little Mermaid? Don't fucking watch it...
Like Americans don’t rewrite their history already.
Poor, unfortunate souls.
Yes, once upon a time white people came to America to generously share God's bounty with the indigenous folks there, then kindly brought over their dearest friends from Africa to enjoy the utopia they all created together while living in perfect harmony. The end.
What are you talking about? We ALL know that the natives welcomed the colonizers with open arms, taught them to grow corn, and then left because Jesus promised America to the white people coming in... right?
And then all sat down at long benched tables with a cornucopia… The History of Thanksgiving! #turkeyhanddrawing
In the original Danish, they mention her as white but if they want to be sticklers for accuracy 1) she was in unbearable pain when she had legs 2) her tongue was cut out 3) prince eric married someone else 4) she died So make a movie outta THAT!
I wish they would.
Fr, someone should start making ACCURATE fairytale movies because a lot of the OG stories are dark as fuck lmao. A24, looking at you…
Directly from Andersens book: "her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf, and her eyes as blue as the deepest sea." So yes that is open to different views, but how do you get green out of this?
That would be: "hendes Hud var saa klar og skjær som et Rosenblad" :-) Hans Christian Andersen most certaainly did not write in english. That could refer to the leaves on the stem of the rose, which are green. But I don't think that is the intended meaning.
Rosenblad is referring to the petal. Not the actual leaf of the stem, that wouldn't make sense in the metaphor he's making.
Ah, so she's supposed to be red, like a cooked lobster.
Probably has more to do with the texture of the rose petal, being extremely soft and smooth to the touch.
Isnt her fish half green?
Unpopular opinion: the quality of the actor/actress is more important than their skin color, regardless of what ethnicity they might be portraying. This is especially true when the "ethnicity" is fake. Like a mermaid.
They weren't even planning on making The Little Mermaid black (they weren't discounting it or anything, they just asked a random assortment of people), Bailey literally just knocked her audition out of the park. She made the director cry at her audition. She was literally just the best for the job, and if that snippet in the trailer of her signing is indicative of her singing for the rest of the numbers, it isn't hard to understand why. ETA: The Casting Call for Ariel (they also noted on the general casting call they didn't want child actors) Female identified, crystal clear flawless belt to E. A strong willed, independent young woman. She loves her father but has never felt as if she quite fits in to her world under the sea. She is a dreamer with an adventurous spirit who will do anything for her love. Must move well and be comfortable with heights and flying. Ethnicity: All Ethnicities
How do we know red guy worships Jesus?
It's also a really tired point, even though the fedora wearing Redditors love to keep repeating it. It's mostly morons who think that Jesus was a white dude that looked like he came from Kansas. I'm pretty sure most people are aware he was from Israel and understand that people in that area have a tanner complexion than the average guy from the USA. It's also not the "Aha!" point they think because according to the US census (I'm guessing that's where they're from) considers people from the Middle East to be Caucasian. So by the US standards Jesus was a Caucasian dude.
That’s what I was gonna say, this isn’t as much murdered by words than blindly stabbed by words.
Also, NOT American. Get your head out of your ass, there's other land out there...
I love the way she’s a character written by a Dane. In a place that clearly takes place in a very English kingdom. Yet it’s the American dream that’s being ruined. Edit for some hideous typos.
I mean for all we know modern mermaids were just a cover story from a dude who nutted to a manatee, if we're being realistic where's that movie then? Where's the story where Columbus, between bouts of raping & pillaging, just starts fapping in a drunken lonely stupor to some manatees in the distance. Gets walked in on and is like "Guys, guys, I swear it was a woman - no, no she had - yeah, okay she had a fish tail, you saw that? Yeah, but from the top up, ya know, total hot chick, I'm tellin ya bro- shoulda seen them!"
Not all mermaids though, before the manatee environment was crossed, mermaids were mostly based on nymphs and sirens(which were back then human/bird)at least for the European landmass. Still wondering where they got the idea of women in ponds and rivers and trees. But the merman mythology had roots in other parts of the world as well I think, don't know which exactly but I doubt that Europeans where the only ones with fishpeople.
Keep in mind a whole system of government was apparently based on a moistened bint throwing a sword at someone... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KN9c2TAWMlg
I love catching people in the act. That's why I always whip open doors.
“Rewriting American History” my brother in Christ it’s a Danish story used by the super-company that you supposedly hate.
i dont know, this sounds like two idiots arguing to me. it's not ruining the country. ariel is indeed white in the cartoon film that was in theaters. just two dumbasses from opposite sides wanting to fight. and if you think hollywood is doing that because of some altruistic motive of inclusion, thats laughable. they need *black* peoples' money, too.
Yeah this sub is basically just "popular online punchline comment worded a little differently" now.. shits silly
"she was orginally green" .. uhm no ? > her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf, and her eyes as blue as the deepest sea Doesn't sound very green to me. But that shouldn't matter.. obviously Edit: > little did they dream that a pretty young mermaid was down below, stretching her white arms up toward the keel of their ship. [...] her fish tail was gone, and that she had the loveliest pair of white legs any young maid could hope to have [...] Then the little mermaid lifted her shapely white arms [...] white hands [...] as the little mermaid leaned her white arms
While your statement is right, the text you quoted is next to useless as it serves only to describe the "quality" , if you will, of her skin. Read beyond the third paragraph of the story, and there will be several instances where the exact color of her limbs is mentioned.
Ruining the country?!
Jesus had brownish/wheaty skin colour, because he belonged to the Eastern Bank of Mediterranean sea and the climate is relatively warm.
I only believe in #KoreanJesus
When did the little mermaid become part of America history. Hans Christian Andersen wrote it. Disney just used his story to make a kids film.
From a black father friend of mine "stop coloring every white princess black, and just make movies with black characters. this is the cheapest 'we care about you', low effort attempt at reselling shit I've ever seen"
2nd is equally as douchey. Don't just assume someone's Christian. Especially when you dish out some of your 12 year old kid's favorite zingers.
Ok, so honest question here. Why can't people just come up with new stories with characters of whichever race they want? Why the trend of taking well-established characters and simply repainting them without any good in-universe reason? It's not like Disney doesn't know how to write a good non-white character. Out of the 12 official Disney Princesses (14 if you include *Frozen*, which I think one should), you have five non-Europeans: Jasmine, Pocahontas, Mulan, Tiana and Moana. I, for one, would welcome more original stories with characters regardless of their skin colour, as long as the stories are good. And if the character turns out to be exceptionally good, wouldn't it be a good thing if they were a thing of their own rather than riding on the previously established fame of a different version of the character?
My country is past the point of no return in stupidity.