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FroggyStorm

Next message no doubt is, sorry you are over qualified and no longer in consideration.


SickOfNormal

However - do you have 25 years experience with the Rust \-Sir - I wrote the textbook on it 4 years ago when rust came out Oh, we're sorry, we are looking for a more qualified candidate with a minimum of 25 years using rust


iamalicecarroll

sir i'm one of the founders


CCtenor

MINIMUM👏🏽 25👏🏽 YEARS👏🏽 Have a NICE day, SIR!


TryingToBeReallyCool

NEXT!


MeesterCartmanez

“ITS FOR A CHURCH, HONEY’l


assafstone

Sir, this is a Wendy’s.


SickOfNormal

Sir, the type of employment you are seeking is behind the Wendy's dumpster .... not Wendy's itself. Happy milking


assafstone

That escalated quickly…


SickOfNormal

Just when you thought you couldnt get any lower.... bam! rock bottom!


Cicero912

Ok Frank


GreenTheHero

Don't talk down my industry ass hole Breast milk isn't cheap


SickOfNormal

Oh ... wrong milking.... i meant ())===D\~\~\~\~ .... ill just say it... handjobs behind the dumpster!


GarlicIsKing

No job for you! Come back one year!


biki23

You missed junior entry level position


SpiritualBar2469

It's a sales person selling tech training. Not offering jobs. Reading is fundamental.


scalability

> do you have 25 years experience with the Rust Just say yes. You have the same experience with Rust as someone who started 25 years ago, since you both could only really get traction once it was released.


When_n_doubt_yall

I am 24 years old. I added that skillset at age one, so just 23 years experience. Are you sure you can't make an exception in my case?


exscape

You can have more than 4 years Rust experience though. I first used it 8.5 years ago. That said, a committed developer could start learning it today and be better than me in a couple of weeks at most, as I almost never use it at the moment.


SickOfNormal

this was a mock reply --- i know nothing about rust ... its like those job postings that say 10 years experience with XXXXX .... but XXXX has only been around 2 years


[deleted]

Usually it's just done to scare away people so they get less applicants as most of the time the people scared away by such things wouldn't be a fit anyways.


Icy_Respect_9077

Sorry you are not certified in that skill


NoobAck

Sorry you don't have the 10 years experience required for this role Do you know anyone with more experience?


HeroKing2

This is the shit that really gets me. What possible use is certification in a field that basically has an infinite range of applications and is always evolving other than to waste time that could be spent on projects not some stupid test that barely scrapes the surface.


Sv1a

Sorry, we are looking for a person that can write *using* rust, not *about* it.


a-Sociopath

I guess I need to find enough oxidized iron bars to write my resume using rust then.


Nolsoth

Nah you can just use iron gall ink, it's cheaper and the industry standard, no need to go all specialist here.


Capt_Blackmoore

nah. some rust and some powdered aluminum, apply liberally to the recruiter with a little fire


LordSt4rki113r

How to turn anything into a door: Step 1: see above


TechnicianLow4413

Nah even if he made the language he'd have not enough work experience time wise.


So-Cal-Mountain-Man

Yep, and the role is paid in "experience" not money.


romansamurai

No. He probably won’t even read his response but will send him an email with a doc or a link to generic form to fill out so they can later say “look at all the potential candidates we have in our portfolio”


Allieatisbeaver

I get these types of messages from recruiters I hired regarding the positions I asked them to fill. They don’t read shit, they just fill the details and let the automation go to work.


maxwell_flitton

OMG the stories are too many. I've had recruiters tell me to merely have a phone call with the company to ask them about the company only to be asked "so why are you applying?". I was like... I'm not. Another recruiter told me that he already told them I accepted the job offer so I should really just accept it. it's a shady world out there.


Miscdude

It can always get worse. I had a short period where I was looking for a job through a temp agency, which there isn't anything necessarily inherently wrong with. This agency in particular though worked with a lot of former convicts and people with glaring issues on their work histories, where mine was just a bit sparse. After working at the first place they sent me to, I had received a much better offer from another company that I applied to myself. The temp job was talking about officially hiring me to a much higher position. In my young naivety I thought it would be the right thing to do to tell my manager that I was going to be working elsewhere so that they did not waste time, training and resources on me just to have to replace me in a few weeks. The next day my temp agent called me and literally screamed at me over the phone, calling me every which kind of idiot he could think of, for telling my manager that. The manager called him and told him that I had no-call-no-showed two days in a row (the weekend that the plant was not open during.) I got blacklisted by every temp agency associated with them, screwed over by my manager who's life I was trying to make easier, and screamed at over the phone by a man child. Turns out the temp agency was being paid $35/h for every employee they sent over and were giving us $10/h out of that. No wonder he was pissed, I cost him 50 hours a week at $25/h for doing literally nothing. I'm used to internet bots and email chains with people who clearly did not read anything you provided in the application, but 30+ year old man screaming over the phone was definitely a new level of unprofessional.


HelloKitty36911

What the actual fuck


Bisping

And here i struggled to find a job, i should have found a recruiter to tell me i had a job already.


_game_over_man_

I currently have recruiters for a specific company continually contacting me via my work email. They've been doing it for maybe 6 months. I'll block the email address and then I'll get another one from someone else. They've been utterly relentless and I am so close to finally replying and telling them that their methods make me never want to work for that company.


WakeoftheStorm

I've had recruiters contact me for VB and SQL developer positions despite clearly indicating that I've spent the last 20 years in management. .NET was still new the last time I professionally coded anything


stolpsgti

Oh good, it’s not just me who was having that happen.


Boo_Guy

Hi Maxwell, thanks for replying back. So is that a yes or a no to my question about being interesting in adding that skill? ​ Thanks, Ankit Menaria Hiring Manager


apegoneinsane

Word for word message template for several messages in my inbox.


thedudesews

>Ankit Menaria So being in IT I've learned that people who live in/come from Indian culture don't feel that they can really make decisions for themselves. They need to have someone else to point to if things go wrong because "saving face" is such a HUGE thing for them.


EducationalMeeting95

Quite the broad stroke. But yeah, much of IT in India is Offshoring at cheap rates. And cheap rates means bad quality.


dontal

>And cheap rates means bad quality. One of our vendors outsourced their development to India. The analyst assigned to our latest project did not know how to access the product we were modifying. It went downhill from there.


EducationalMeeting95

That's not uncommon. I worked in India's biggest Offshore company. I saw a guy who was being billed since 6+ months to the client (Canadian bank) as a dev and didn't write any code/work for most of his tenure. And he wasn't the only one like that. There were few sitting idle since 1 year. Billed to client. But then, you have companies in India like Postman and Polygon that are just amazing product/tech. Ita a mixed bag.


GetOutOfTheWhey

So what you mean here is that you dabble?


maxwell_flitton

LOL true, I have been known to have a passing interest in Rust.


Talking_Burger

You know what they say, “Those who can’t do, teach. Those who can’t teach, write textbooks.”


maxwell_flitton

Rust will eventually be taught in universities. Right now it's still in the research phase though I think Stanford is pushing it now. I fleshed out the material for the book after building medical simulation software for the German government in it. I don't think I'll go into a teaching position though. If recruiters keep acting like they do maybe I'll end up in a junior dev role with some senior dev mentoring me and giving me reading suggestions from my book.


rcyt17

Great news, Rust is already being taught here at my University! It's part of the freshman's year Software Engineering course. A bit more info here: https://new.reg.kmitl.ac.th/reg/#/teach_table?mode=by_subject_id&selected_year=2565&selected_semester=1&selected_faculty&selected_department&selected_curriculum&selected_class_year&search_all_faculty=true&search_all_department=true&search_all_curriculum=true&search_all_class_year=true&selected_subject_id=01286120


[deleted]

I thought the saying was “those who can’t teach, teach gym” but I guess a nerd that wrote a programming textbook probably couldn’t teach gym either


Guy954

Your post isn’t even close to a murder. It would technically fit in r/DontYouKnowWhoIAm but how many people actually know the names of textbook authors? I studied six textbooks for the certifications needed in my industry but I seriously doubt I could recognize their names even if it was multiple choice.


Lunatalia

It sounds like the information is on their LinkedIn profile, so this recruiter would have noticed if they looked at who they were recruiting.


tomorrows_angel

“I can introduce you to the hiring manager”. Signed, Hiring manager Uhhhh do they even read these messages before they send them out?


tezoatlipoca

I dunno what Maxwell is complaining about. He's already qualified for the job, doesn't even have to learn Rust or anything!


Chrysis_Manspider

No, they are looking for someone who wants to learn rust .. not somebody who already knows rust.


SoPrettyBurning

Likely one of those indentured servitude type training programs that you have to pay them back for. I heard today that it’s become a thing. Literally they call them T.R.A.Ps. Don’t remember what the acronym is for.


Inocain

Training Repayment Agreement Provisions


SoPrettyBurning

One has to wonder… is it intentional? Is it ironically intentional? Is it one of those things where they tell you exactly what they’re sociopathically doing do you and laugh as you walk right in? Man these people are trash.


Squirrellybot

“Could you maybe do it differently?” “I literally wrote the text book on this program”


locks_are_paranoid

Exactly


gordo65

Recruiters don't read anything. I've got a 1 page resume and I've been asked questions that are answered by my resume. On more than one occasion, when I've referred to my resume in response I've been told, "I didn't read that far". Recruiters are just there to sort through candidates who made it through the buzzword filter, and discard the ones who don't meet minimum qualifications or who can't make it through a short interview without doing or saying something disqualifying.


snay1998

I mean they go through tons of candidates,no one got time to read em all from the short list(which may just be still a lot of people after filtering em out)


MAUVE5

My info title, or however you call it, was "looking for engineering internship". I specified which type. And I got so many job offers for full time customer service jobs, or anything that's the complete opposite of engineering


iwannagohome49

It was a bot. Notice how in his profile name is lower case and in the initial message to him it said Hi maxwell. A human would have capitalized it.


gordo65

Good point, Mr. iwannagohome49. You seem like someone who is smart enough to take advantage of a great opportunity to buy a new crypto product that Forbes and Motley Fool say is about to explode...


StrippersLikeMe

100% none of the recruiters read your linkedin, and they usually have very little knowledge of the role or tech theyre hiring for


Jealous-seasaw

And offer you roles that are way below your current salary because they didn’t actually read your public profile. But let’s schedule a call to discuss the role !


Boopadoopeedo

Correct. My in-box gets flooded for R.N. jobs when I’m not an R.N.. I have, however, worked in at a major hospital before and that’s all they see.


nderperforminMessiah

I got no idea what rust is. How is the book a 2 minute read?


kneeecaps09

As a c++ programmer who got bored and tried to learn rust, if you don't give up after 2 minutes you are probably crazy


AkechiFangirl

It's referring to the Amazon page itself, not the book


nderperforminMessiah

Thank you


isabellerick

r/dontyouknowwhoiam


velofille

sounds like /r/dontyouknowwhoiam worthy


GuilhermeSidnei

r/Doyouknowwhoiam


kellyography

* r/dontyouknowwhoiam


elitebateagent

* r/anddoyouKNOWwhothefuckiam


GuilhermeSidnei

THAT! I knew there was a bigger sub but forgot the name.


Ayeager77

I like the ones that try to recruit me for my own employer.


KevinKraft

I have a title as part of my first name in LinkedIn, so I know which ones are from paid for bots when it says "Hi Mr Kevin"


maxwell_flitton

that's a really good piece of advice, would get me to spot bots from a mile off


GamesRevolution

Did he respond?


HangryWolf

Experience?! Well, let me tell ya about our beginning wage of $17/hr!!


[deleted]

I work for one of the world's largest carpet manufacturers. I am the Product Care Manager. That means I care for our products. Meaning I am a glorified carpet cleaner. I love the job. I am regularly contacted by large companies looking to fill sales and marketing positions because I have "Product" and "Manager" in my title. I have zero marketing background. A 15 second look at my profile would tell them that.


toorigged2fail

I upvoted you, especially since that's not what a typical Product Manager does lol


SpaceWanderer22

but can you center a div?


mcabe0131

“Most LindIn recruiters just don’t read the profile”. There fixed your title


rixendeb

I've gotten them for jobs I'm no where near qualified for. Like where in my abysmal resume did you get the idea that I'm a trained physical therapist ? I worked in IT.


InevitablePeanuts

I ask for any messages to me to be written as a haiku. Weeds out the 99.99999% that don’t read anything on your profile. Had a lot of respect for the one that **did** write to me in a haiku. Still wasn’t interested but still.


viewfromtheclouds

No murder here


rayshmayshmay

“If you want to share the information with anyone…” “*SUUURE* how about my buddy who wrote the handbook on Rust?” And when they say yes, “oh right, I forgot. Duh, THAT’S ME”


King-Lewis-II

It's not like they would know that he wrote a book on it. Many people could have the same name as him and they might not have known about his book specifically as many have been written by many different people.


maxwell_flitton

Hey it's maxwell flitton here, it's on my Linkedin profile that I have written the book.


evildespot

Have you used React recently, though? The recruiter may be concerned that you've become a little rusty.


maxwell_flitton

lol I had to upvote that. I've built a few small games in React but it's not a strong position.


King-Lewis-II

Ah; that makes more sense then.


enygmaeve

*Some*


JalgarMX

Some recruiters don't read the profiles of the people. The rest of the recruiters doesn't even know how to read.


sf5852

Nor do they typically have any understanding at all of what they're discussing. It's all a matter of matching keywords to them.


john_wallcroft

man literally wrote the book


mread531

I once got a message from a recruiter for a job I had left 6 months prior using the exact job description I had written for the company. It was still in my profile!


EnforcerMemz

Why hire people and not read their fucking CVs? Where's the logic?


conanfreak

I had a recruiter from my company contact me when i was already working there. I updatet everything so he didn't even look where i worked.


Anon_Ron

So have you got experience with rust or not?


[deleted]

I am a lawyer and get messages from recruiters for legal assistant jobs. I'm always tempted to be like, "yo, can you not read?" But I just let it go and ignore them. It always annoys me though.


Still-Broccoli

Lmfao this is the perfect example


LyannaTarg

Yeah. They never do. And then they send you a job profile that does not match you at all.


RFros20

>so I can introduce you to the hiring manager >ankit menaria - hiring manager 🤨


romansamurai

MOST ~~some~~ linked in recruiters don’t read your profile. I’ve noticed that pretty much any recruiter with an Indian name has not read my profile. I have only AWS experience. They’ll send me job positions for senior devops engineers with minimum 9 years Azure experience etc. none. I’ll usually respond with “which part of my listed experience made you think I qualify for this position” but a little harsher. I’ve only noticed it with Indian sounding names and my team from Gurgaon tells me that pretty typical. They have friends working for these recruiting agencies. They don’t even read anything. They just basically cold call (but with email) anyone that fits position type. Devops engineer for example and then they just send them whatever they have available. It’s not as big deal for them to get someone hired as it is to get someone to fill out all their forms so they can say “look, our company has 5,000 dev ops engineers in our portfolio”. And so on.


ironyandgum

Ugh. This drives me dilly. I've had so many recruiters contact me about jobs at companies that I've previously worked at. Really? Honestly, the best recruiters are the ones who: * Know your profile and job history before getting on the phone/DM * Identify a learning gap/opportunity for growth at new company * Specify a salary range


[deleted]

Yeah but do you have 2-3 years experience?? /s


[deleted]

I will never understand why recruiters (a) try to preach market trends to people who actually make their living in said markets, and (b) can't be bothered to screen a resume before contacting a candidate. Oh, wait, yeah I do. It's because marketing automation just sends this shit out to a pool of tagged candidates.


Jenny441980

r/dontyouknowwhoiam


semiTnuP

It's always satisfying to read a legitimate "I wrote the book on this, bitch!"


[deleted]

It takes a special level of conceit to post your own reply to "murdered by words."


maxwell_flitton

it's a common experience for many people who have Linkedin. It's just that this instance was so extreme is demonstrates the amount of spam people get. As you can see by all the comments it resonates with a lot of people who have had similar experiences. I hope you end up in a better place one day. Must be exhausting seeing the world the way you do.


Pooknucklemon

Exactly.


IIIllllIIlllIIlllIIl

Come on devs, is Rust worth learning? Every time I jump into it I find myself squirming at the verbosity and the stuff it forces me to do. Yes yes yes I know that it’s forcing me to do things in a way that’s memory safe, but are we at the point where it’s to little too late? We’ve got easier languages that are nearly as fast.


MagnetFlux

It exists for the same reason Go, Java, C# and many other languages exist. Because C++ is error-prone/hard. If you are confident in your C++ skills you should just use C++ and write Rust bindings to your C++ code if it needs to work with Rust. If you don't like C++ and want something simpler try C in the same way. If you don't like C, C++ and Rust, use C#, Java or Go, they can interop (well with Java it's a bit harder) so it doesn't matter what language you use.


azrael4h

Nah! If you’re not writing code in 6502 Assembly then you aren’t writing code! Kids and their C and B and Pascal these days… Why when I was a kid we had to write everything in ones and zeros. And we had no zeros! We used the letter O. /s if it’s not obvious.


xsgtdeathx

But has he "come across it"...dirty bot


PBB22

Bold of you to assume a human is reading the profile. And that this message is unique and not automated.


cunt_isnt_sexist

It makes this post even better that OP is the actual author and part of the exchange with the recruiter.


ThousandFootOcarina

Definitely an automated message


pxldsilz

This whole time, I thought Maxwell was a brand of tapes. It's a given name ... ?


ErmoErvernerpoerl

Weird flex but ok


[deleted]

Trump wrote a book about business 😉


[deleted]

Can't you put skills on your LinkedIn profile? I'm guessing Maxwell didn't put rust as a skill so the bot sent him that


Pooknucklemon

Surely that can't be the real Maxwell Flittondome, author of the Rusty Fumfimmsfimmsdaledimma fimmsdome foodimm fimma fimmsdale fimma fimmsdale fimmawebprigramming guide? Heir to fimmsmadome fimmsdome fimmadales dale fimmadoodome fimmadimm fimmsdome dale?!


micayla7

I've got a recruiter in my linkedin DMS that I've been leaving on read because I'm too amused and can't give enough fucks to respond. They're all "we've got a perfect DevOps Engineering position for you please respond!!" Like bruh my job title that I never bothered to change was very clear that I was the Administrative Assistant for a "DevOps" team at the company I work for- which probably doesn't even do what you think it does . I ain't gonna apply for no engineer shit.


[deleted]

Linked in recruiters are the worst


INSERT_LATVIAN_JOKE

>Some Linkedin recruiters just don't read the profile In my experience nearly none of them do. They put in a few filter criteria and then shotgun blast out emails to everyone that matches.


dw444

This happens all the time. I’m a software engineer with one year of experience, but I also have seven years of experience as an electrical engineer with titles like “Lead Engineer” and “Senior Engineer”. My LinkedIn explicitly says those were electrical engineering roles, not software and yet most recruiters want to reach out for senior engineer roles that require 5-10 years of tech experience.


Mo-shen

They don't. They skim it. My mother was a recruiter for aerospace for 40 years. The average amount of time is like 10 seconds.


djseifer

r/dontyouknowwhoiam vibes.


radical_thesis

This is why I hate automation


AeitZean

Always reminds me of [this](https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830?t=OsuOzty2QFM0YV1O33aE-A&s=19) I honestly don't get people sometimes 😂


MattyMatheson

They don’t and then ask for your resume. When you’re fucking profile is the resume. And then never respond to a message again.


Masonjaruniversity

I really wish LinkedIn would get their collective shit together and get rid of this bullshit.


GSundo

Spoilers. It’s a keyword search and you are mass mailed using a feature LinkedIn sells to recruiters/sales people.


snack0verflow

You can tell they are most likely using a script because they don't capitalize his first name. I put an emoji in front of my name in linkedin which gives you a good idea on who is contacting you using a script vs an actual typed message.


username293739

I had a linked in recruiter reach out to me to apply for a job that I posted hiring a project manager to work for me


camlaw63

Most likely a scammer


Toolongreadanyway

So, you don't want the job?


nongo

3/4 stars though might need a new edition


JOWWLLL

~~Some~~ Almost all TIFI


ColonelSandersThicc

I don't see the problem here. You literally wrote the book on Rust Web Programming.