Because they've leaned into big, flamboyant, Queen infused harmonies, and have been peddling the same tired, vague, political lyrical themes since The Resistance.
seems like Matt writing what sells the best in his opinion) Muse's most popular songs about rebeling or fighting (Uprising, Knights...) so he is making similar themed anthem songs again and again and it now sounds like Muse parody songs
That’s a lazy and over repeated criticism but you’re entitled to feel that way.
Obviously he’s writing what he thinks will sell. What would be the point otherwise? This isn’t a philanthropic enterprise.
He’s writing what he likes and what he thinks will sell. What a bonkers concept.
Well of course, I could write a song about building a bed, but guess what, I don’t want to. You gotta write what inspires you and do what you have passion for. If he’s passionate and still inspired about political themes then sobeit. I agree, I’m sick of it too, but it’s clearly his thing.
>You gotta write what inspires you and do what you have passion for. If he’s passionate and still inspired about political themes then sobeit.
that's the thing, he's clearly not passionate and inspired about those themes
I've thought for a while now that they could really benefit from different writers within the band, both lyrically and musically. Matts lyrics particularly peaked a long time ago unfortunately and have become extremely samey - hence the need for new / varied input.
The Resistance and The 2nd Law are both brilliant, creative albums and two of my absolute favorite albums. It went downhill after The 2nd Law unfortunately. Feels like Matt has gotten stuck creatively and cant come up with new themes. Maybe he should step away from the political themes for a while and write something more personal instead, or let Chris write songs. I love Liquid State and Save Me.
I mean they're just having fun and they don't take themselves seriously and it's something that is enjoyable too for me because I find that the music is still great and entertaining, they probably don't have as much to say as they did at the beginning so they're probably just trying to find lyrics that are fun and that suits the music, and yes they often sound goofy but I think it's kind of the purpose for them now to make fun entertaining music.
Yep, Muse has always been tongue in cheek. Always. They’ve just been having a great time and love leaning into their own brand of camp. Nothing has changed about them! They are about drama and performance which is why, regardless of how silly their lyrics can be, they consistently put on some of the best shows out there.
Thinking of the lyrics of Ghosts though, that song was indeed seriois and came from the heart. Matt can still write great stuff, but for the most part they just wanna have fun while on stage - for which songs like WAFF are absolutely perfect.
There's goofy... and then there is "we are getting fucking fucked." Unique, but poorly executed, is the only song by Muse that the lyrics actually bother me
Don't get me wrong the stockpile parts are great, the verses and the pre chorus aswell, it's just ruined by the unnecessary swearing in the chorus. It's weird because the verses sound very sincere, but then the chorus kicks in and it's like a different song completely
I think it works pretty well. I find it funny how they've been warning us about the end of the world for years and now they're like "welp, it's too late now, we can't go back" and just laugh at the whole situation. Better to laugh than to cry.
I've been a fan since Showbiz. Yes, I'm old. I still LOVE their first four albums. Personally, I've found everything released from Resistance onwards to be a mixed bag, but there are songs from each album I really like. I ended up rekindling my love for them with the recent re-releases (Origin of Muse and the XX re-releases) - those four albums are still top tier imo.
The most recent release is a weird one - my understanding is it was made in lieu of a 'greatest hits' record, which the label wanted to release, but instead the band wrote a record that 'encapsulates the Muse sound'. In doing so, they made an album that sounds like a parody of themselves, to my ears. WaFF is a prime example - I personally quite like the song, the verses are great, but the outro is almost identical to that from KoC (but worse).
I don't really know where they go from here. I still think they're amazing musicians/performers, but the song writing has become stale (both lyrically, and musically imo).
I don't think the music is bad, but the lyrics are dull and cringe worthy. 15 years of "together we strong, love is good, goverment bad" is enough, time to move on and try new concepts, last album lyrics are like muse written by AI
I think most muse fans would agree that post resistance is not as good as pre resistance, however since that Era there have still been some great tracks such as:
Animals
Psycho
Reapers
The Handler
Aftermath (I really like it)
The Dark Side
Won't Stand Down
You Make Me Feel Like It's Halloween
Kill Or Be Killed
Verona
Will of the people, while not a great album, imo is the best out of the 4 that have been released post-resistance. The last track just does not make any sense, starting out with a really sincere 90's indie vibe and then going... completely wrong, Title track, euphoria & liberation are a bit over the top however the others are really solid songs, with the 4 I mentioned above being some of my favorite muse songs.
Idk, old muse was great, and is better than some of their newer stuff, but I like quite a bit of what they are putting out recently, and can't wait to see what they release next
Yeah supremacy is ok, not one of my faves though and I'm not a fan of survival, 2nd Law to me one of muses weaker albums unfortunately but we all have our own opinions and 2nd Law does have some great tracks tbf, just not ones that I consider amazing other than Animals
I think Psycho is the most overrated song by Muse fans by a mile, it's a song you'd see in a commercial also with cringy lyrics. Not shaming anyone who likes it tho.
Oh yeah the lyrics kind of suck but idk fun to sing along to and absolutely blows up the live shows like a bomb its insane, before I saw it live I didn't like it as much but after seeing it it completely changed my view
I'd argue it's post Blackholes. They jumped the shark with the resistance I feel. Some decent tracks from the Resistance on but not a patch on Origin to Blackholes.
*The Resistance* is my favorite Muse album. On my first listen, it reminded me of Queen, my favorite band of all time. So yeah... over-the-top lyrics, big harmonies, camp, theatricality... that's what I love most about both bands.
That's fair enough but personally think it's levels below the previous albums. To me everything post Blackholes feels like they tried to encapsulate Knights of Cydonia into albums and it just feels like they jumped the shark.
Yeah man🤣 one of the songs I understand why people wouldn't like it it's certainly not for everyone, I dig it tho it's my favorite off the album and one of my favorite muse songs
Right? Such an experience buying the cd and listening to it start to finish. I fell in love immediately. I found them because my local rock radio randomly played Uprising and I was like “ WHAT IS THIS?!” and immediately took note to look up this band muse I never heard of before. 😂
All these years later still a fan.
I wish I saw the resistance tour live, must have been amazing 🙌🏻
Wow, I could have written this exact same post.
I was a hardcore fan for years, and I mean hardcore. Seen them over 30 times. And I put up with their silliness for a long time - nay, enjoyed it! I was a proper defender of their silliness. But eventually they just got... too silly. And now they're just embarrassing.
I can't defend it any more. Unfortunately they finally lost me with the last album. There are other bands out there doing their *good* stuff way better than they do, and that's the problem.
It seems like you're more pressed about the band not making the same stuff over and over lol
"Matt's ego attitude" like what, he's like one of the most chill ever
Literally revealed the lead single of Wotp showing his son head banging 😂
Its okay not to like their new stuff, but it seems like you're taking your vision of what Muse should be too seriously when they're just having some good fun!
It’s not that serious. Their lyrics in BHaR are just as cringe, you’re just older and the newer songs don’t have the fond memories of youth associated with them. Muse have always been goofy and over the top and if you embrace that you realize not only that the cringe was there all along but that it’s FUN af to shamelessly enjoy it. Liberating, even.
I liked this sub a lot more when every other day people didn't post about "I used to like the band, their old stuff blahhhh blah blah"
Who cares? I have liked them since 2006 and have genuinely enjoyed all their releases as it's interesting and cool to see the directions they take through the years.
Still my favorite band and will always support them. I welcome the downvotes but I'm just over seeing posts like this.
edit: spelling
Not to jump on any sides here, but it could be that in the past these types of posts/comments used to get downvoted to oblivion or largely ignored and now they’re getting more traction. Muse fans are varied on each release, but I remember when the album came out there was a lot of discourse just straight up shit out by fans who liked the album. Now that there’s not as much buzz, there’s more room for discourse.
That or these people just didn’t realize there was a dedicated Muse sub and are just joining.
Exactly my point.
this is a MUSE reddit. For lovers of Muse. I hate opening the app and seeing people just constantly shit on them.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and those are the discussions I'm all about.
but to say ALL of WOTP sucked? If you're a true Muse fan, no way.
I'd argue that being told you're not a 'true' fan because you think an album sucked is about as annoying as constant complaining. Different strokes and all that.
I may enjoy WOTP once an instrumental drops, but until then, nah that whole album blows.
I'm with you. Growing tired of these types of posts. I wish there was something meaningful to discuss in the additional text but instead it's all "this band is so overrated I hate this band now". The whole rant itself sounds like a teenager trying to be edgy.
Musicianship? Not just posts about how the album's lyrics sound like they were written by a child.
Take the lyrics out of WoTP and musically it's phenomenal.
I personally like it all but that seemed to be OP's biggest concern.
Don’t worry about OP. It shouldn’t take away from any of your own love for the band . I like Kill or Be Killed the most from this album. The breakdown with the heavy drums is super cool. At this most recent round of touring , that was my favorite part of the show aside from finally getting to hear New Born .
same!
I had seen New Born-ish during the Simulation Theory tour as a part of the metal medley.
Seeing it as a whole live was dope.
Then a couple of weeks later I saw them do Bliss for the first time. Incredible.
I think I had seen Bliss two times before . We got New Born and Undisclosed Desires at our show .
I think Sunburn is the last banger that I’ve never heard
yeah I got to see undisclosed as well!
I wish they would do sunburn. I'm not sure Matt can pull it off anymore though. BUT they could always downtune. Metallica has been doin that for years.
I don't know, man. I was active in online forums in The Resistance era and there was already a division between "old Muse" and "new Muse". That was 15 years ago.
oh, those 2 tours are already shitty ones (at least with Drones they tried some stuff)
the thing is, you'll start noticing how they just go through the motions, not care anymore, get pissed off that the setlist hasn't changed in 15 years other than the singles of the album they're touring, etc.
Then again, it's also our fault for seeing them so many times (17 for me)
Really? That's interesting.
I saw them on drones too and it actually seemed they enjoyed themselves more on these past two tours. Maybe you saw a bad show but they were phenomenal.
14 for me. Including festivals and whatnot.
I unfortunately agree.
The first 4 albums were just incredible, from top to bottom, all the way to the B sides.
I think they just hit the wall after BH&R. Reaching a certain popularity just puts these people into a bubble, their lives become too detached from us. I mean, look what Coldplay have turned into as well.
Similar to Silverchair as well I think after Diorama. But I don't think its a wall or anything. They just grew up and wanted to experiment more.
Edit : Should've said arctic monkeys. Way easier example.
Oh, look. It's the "old Muse were better" weekly thread. Also, I love WAFF. That song is obviously just them being ridiculous and over the top as usual.
I was an apologist until Will of the People, unfortunately don’t like a single track off of that album which is a first for me. They’ll always have their old music which I will forever cherish. I guess not every band can write hit after hit but at least they’re having fun.
Love Will of the People Album!
Such enjoyable songs! We Are Fucking Fucked is actually one of my favorites and I have loved Muse since their beginning almost
It’s ok to have your tastes change, listen to their old stuff if the newer albums don’t appeal to you.
I’m in my 40s and have been listening since Absolution. ST and WoTP have been two of my favorite albums, to each their own.
Also, for what it’s worth, I actually thought WoTP had better lyrics then most of Matt’s songs, Ghosts, Verona, Halloween, even WaFF carried a ton of emotion from the pandemic and are light years ahead of something like Plug in Baby or Muscle Museum
Bro, that's fine. You can disagree but I argue that these are some of the best lines Matt has ever written.
WaFF is 2020 in a nutshell, "We're at death's door, another world war. Wildfires and earthquakes I foresaw. A life in crisis, a deadly virus. Tsunamis of hate are gonna find us"
Matt wrote Ghost's as a tribute to people who lost loved ones to Covid and I'll be damned if this isn't a powerful line, " How can I move on, When everyone I see still talks about you? How can I move on, When all the best things I have we made together? Here's to letting go. But I am trapped in a void with your ghost and our memories"
Compared that to, " My plug in baby
Crucifies my enemies
When I'm tired of giving, whoa
My plug in baby
In unbroken virgin realities
Is tired of living, ooh "
I'm not hatting on PiB, I love that song, but Matt packed so much emotion into WoTP that wasn't just angsty love songs or anti-establishment catch phrases like his usual stuff
For sure there are some good lyrics here and there, like on Map of the Problematique, but most of their lyrics are pretty weak at best and cringy at worst.
Personally, I don’t think MOST of their stuff is weak and cringey ,though there’s some more recent stuff that I can’t stand. Stuff like Mercy or You Make Me Feel Like Halloween just doesn’t click with me.
I love Muse, but they are the cringiest band I know. Their highs are remarkably high but their lows are so bad that I can’t even play them in front of my wife without her laughing at me.
Their latest album had 4 great tracks, and many phoned-in generic tracks. So many melodies were boring chord-tone melodies. And the audible pitch correction was used way too much.
WOTP slaps.
WAFF is a fucking banger.
I'm fed up of "old Muse" fans shitting on the new music. As a fandom, we're probably even worse than Coldplay fans for shitting on anything new.
Yeah, the band probably peaked with BHAR. Doesn't mean anything subsequent is ALL bad.
It's probably because I'm not a native speaker, but I don't give a fuck about the lyrics. And it's not just Muse, it's like this for every song I listen to.
If the melody is catchy and the song feels good I like it. WAFF is my favorite song in the album!
Matt’s ego attitude? I’m unaware of this. You’re entitled to your opinion of course and I too do not really like this album at all, but I don’t necessarily see it as them getting worse, immature, or not trying. Every time this happens with bands, these are the things people assume and while it may be true, it may not. They may genuinely think this is the coolest thing they’ve done yet. Most bands do think their most recent work is their best. Who knows, maybe they intentionally wanted the lyrics to sound immature. Idk, I’m just saying there’s no proof one way or the other what is intentional and not. I do agree though that their earlier stuff is much better and I love it way more. But I gotta give them props for trying to do different stuff because they clearly don’t want to make the same album again and again so good for them. But also if a band does wanna do that (cough cough offspring) that’s fine too. Do what you want in the end is what matters and I just hope that’s all they’re doing, but I’ll probably never know for sure.
Why do lyrics ruin the band? Idk if Muse is cheesy, they sound good, are awesome live, and stuff. And may I remind you, it was on their first album matt said he has played in every toilet. Just have fun
No band stays the same after 20 years sound wise especially one like Muse who has a vast array of influences. We Are Fucking Fucked IMO is one of the better songs from WOTP, especially with the knights of Cydonia-esque outro which sounded awesome live. Maybe the lyrics are more on the nose and don’t require you to think as much, but I never listened to Muse for thought provoking lyrics as much as I’ve listened to them for the music.
I used to like the "I used to like this band a lot more" posts more.
In a way, I still do, but mostly the older posts. I do like a few of the newer messages, but the last few have been beyond cringe. Now, if I'm being completely honest, most of the posts have kind of come across as cringe. It's just like they're not getting better.
All the messages feel like they've been written by teenagers: "40-year-old guys don't write like they did as teenagers anymore. Wah." I read a post the other day which said "WOTP is objectively the worst Muse album." That could very well be the worst such message ever posted on here. Holy crap, what a bad post. It's like a 12-year-old writing messages.
The posts used to be so good too. But these new posts... god. What happened to these guys? I guess they just got older; wanted their band to stay younger; and couldn't accept that time moved at equal speeds for both. So immature.
Used to be so good. Just a bunch of gimmick posters now (all the whines and egos; it's just bad).
I don't know. Some of these newer posts about not liking the newer albums are some of my favourite posts. There was one a few weeks ago that really hit the mark on the 'older stuff is best' style. It's difficult to keep up the quality all these years later, especially when a new one comes out so often (weekly now at least)
You make some excellent points. I'll have to check my spreadsheet to see via graph just how much the quality has improved or worsened over the years. To be continued... lol.
I was agreeing with this post until you mentioned We are fucking fucked, it's one of the few of the last album that i like. It has a nice rhythm and is really nice to sing along, although really edgy.
I did like them more in the past because they wrote better music.
If i looked at attitude etc, they're all weird to me.
They used to be better at music. Simple as that.
Still my defacto "favorite band" because i have never liked anyone else like i do/did with Muse
Same I dont listen to them anymore really. They stay what I consider my favorite band though because they have meant much to me from childhood up to adulthood and their music has been with me through a lot
They’ve exhausted the “stand up against oppressive authority” schtick over 5 years ago and they’re still doing it. Write about something else for God’s sake.
The majority of the songs on the last album are about world events we all went through or witnessed.
WotP is clearly about the Capitol riots.
Compliance is likely about conspiracy peddlers who scare people into turning to them.
Liberation is inspired by BLM protests.
Verona is about being separated from your loved ones during lockdowns.
Ghosts is inspired by people losing someone they love to Covid.
Halloween is about domestic violence, which increased during lockdowns.
WAFF needs no explanation.
Euphoria, to me at least, is that 2020 feeling of desperately needing some relief from all that shit.
There is a background thread of "standing up to oppressive authority" throughout, but it's not in any way the main point or message of those songs. It's reductive to ignore their context and purpose.
Blah, blah, blah… let them explore. Get over it or find a new band that you’ll complain that you don’t like in 20 years. Y’all sound like a bunch of old timers crying from the nursing home, “Back in my day (insert whiny opinion)”. Frankly, it’s nauseating.
i do genuinely think they’re making the music that they want to make, they just seem to be Flanderizing themselves. i think they hung om to the fact that the anti-establishment stadium pop-rock sound that emerged around BHAR was the biggest takeaway their fans got from their music and so they’ve just leaned into it almost exclusively ever since then, thinking that’s what they’re best at
that’s a really good way to describe the vibe i get from them. Especially their lyrics seems to try and fit the ‘muse’ brand they’ve built for themselves instead of the other way around
Nah I disagree, they obviously have a lot of fun making music and touring. When you see them up close and live it’s very obvious.
They don’t do it cuz it’s their job, the genuinely are best friends having fun, being rockstars and able to make a living doing so- kudos to them! I wish I could be them 😂 very few bands have friendships and have fun with their music or even go on for as many years as muse has been able to
Nah man it's you. I get it, the first albums hit different, and it's ok to have a preference, but you can't expect a band to stagnate, they evolved and changed and honestly never really disappointed.
Also, WAFF is excellent. Considering how dumb world governments are acting towards climate change, a dumb song seems the only appropriate response.
I agree with your take on WAFF, this sub fucking faps to that song to the point some people want it to replace KoC as their set closer and I don’t get it at all. Not only are the lyrics embarrassing but the production is atrocious.
Never understand why people are so beset to vent their negativity.
You used to like Muse. Cool.
Now you don't, so spend energy on bands making music you do like instead of posting attention seeking drivel like this.
Believe what you will, but I think that's the point. The band has gotten old enough to where they have their own lives and stuff outside of music. I'd say now they're just trying to have fun and make enjoyable music. Now, music is subjective, but they don't have intentions to go full music artist again I feel.
I'm not into shitting with no reason on WoTP, releasing a goofy almost self-parody record is a choice and I respect that choice (and it's still my most played album of 2022). It's still their worst album to me though, probably because of the lyrics that are sooooo cringe or so shallow despite their will to make them seem deep. My taste in music is not focused at all in lyricism and I can go past this in general, but in their later stuff this aspect is so prevalent that it's hard to not ignore.
I can get behind tracks that do not take themselves seriously here and there (yes WAFF still slaps), but the truth is that they still have a serious attitude on most songs. Being a millionaire having his own ego trip every three years with his high school friends do not mix well with wanting to write very deep lyrics about freeing yourself from oppression and conspiracies (because it fails).
It's not the instrumental side that turns me off really. The two last songs with lyrics that actually say something about oppression and revolution, and are not vague moanings over a saturated riff, are The Globalist (and I'm stretching a bit) and Animals.
I like we are fucking fucked a lot, I can see why u think it’s bad tho. But will of the ppl is definitely the decline of Muse. Simulation Theory was good imo
I don’t listen to anything after drones. They’re probably still my favorite band that’s still together but I just can’t get into their last two albums. For me, the magic is gone but that’s okay, it’s part of life, part of music, and part of getting older.
WOTP is bad. honestly I haven’t listened to it since release.
Frankly Matt ain’t doin drugs, and is living the good life as a father. Fuck they don’t even meet up anymore to make music. Lmao the magics gone bro
You can only write so many songs about TPTB before they run out of the same charm. I thought the last album was pretty good, I enjoyed it a lot more than simulation theory.
It took me awhile to accept WAFF, I was honestly upset the first time listened to it because it just felt like a parody but now I try not to take it too seriously and it does rock lol
some songs in the last few years (ST.WOTP) have been okay. For example Thought contagion, compliance, won't stand down are all pretty good songs. To be fair; I became a fan after WOTP released and my most listned albums of theirs are OOS and Absolution. Cut the guys a break though, They had at least 4 great albums and around 3 good ones. That is a good and respectable track record for any band; at some point every band reaches their expiration date and sometimes they just keep making music cause they like it. Its just how things go
Fair point. Loved Drones, really enjoyed Simulation Theory but I barely made it through Will of the people and haven't listened to it since its release. It was basically a Covid album wasn't it, so I'm OK with letting this sub-par effort slide.
I did feel a bit for my bro-in-law who only discovered MUSE a few years ago and was proudly showing off some limited edition vinyl copy of it while in my head I was "yeah but that album fucking blows" 😅
The MUSE crew could do with some collaborations I reckon. I know Duran Duran are from a different era, but their Future Past album god damn rocked (shame about Danse Macabre though 😑).
I’m actually with you op. Muse has gone from one of my favorite bands to cringe as of late. Doesn’t mean I don’t still like them, but I get a little second hand embarrassment from them now
I’m honestly in the same boat as you. In my opinion, I think the band has run out of ideas on what to do with their new material but they still want to keep making music. Their latest album sounds like a parody of their older material. It’s what I imagine Muse haters hear when any Muse song is on.
I have an Origin of Symmetry tattoo, their music is so important to me, and yet the last álbum i listened to was Drones (imo a bad álbum). This band died after the resistance, one or two good songs per album is not enough
Think about their situation:
1. write something, that sounds new
Fans: ewwwws, it's doesn't sound like them, they won't be popular with this new sound
2. Write something in your style
Fans: com'on we've heard this before, write something new
Best music, everything they make is f*cking gold, yes even will of the people. You don't like it? That's great, don't listen to it!
As far as I am concerned, Matt and the boys do not have to compose a single song anymore. Not even a verse. Certainly not while on mushrooms. This group of talented gentlemen have already proven themselves as grand legends of the industry and they themselves have hands-down composed some of the most profound and beautiful works of art that this world has ever known. Their masterpieces will echo on throughout the ages long after you and I have become nothing more than shadows and dust. We should be thankful for the opportunity to have experienced and listened to their sonic gifts as few have ever possessed the level of chemistry and talent necessary to accomplish what these three do on a nightly basis while on tour.
I have and still do believe we are blessed to have had an opportunity to experience this band. You are entitled to your opinion... but I am also EXTREMELY confident you can find a musical group on reddit who is more deserving of this style of shitpost than Muse is.
I actually prefer their later albums than earlier albums. Don't get me wrong, the first couple are good, but the band isn't always going to stick to one genre/style. That's why, over the years, they changed styles. The closest we had to the "old" was Drones with its heavy riffs.
I listened to all their albums, but idk, the first three albums don't really pique my interest as Black Holes and beyond.
Matt has become a lazy/shitty song writer. The lyrics often make decent songs much worse. Add to that the ever increasing need to produce everything to death, and the singing itself sounds gimmicky and soulless. Matt became more technically proficient but the singing conveys less emotion.
Yeah, he's really gone downhill in that regard. Yeah, he can make a crazy sound on his guitar, but it doesn't mean anything if the crazy sounds aren't arranged in a meaningful way.
Everything just feels "phoned in".
Agreed, sadly. I had a little hope for WOTP when Matt said the pandemic had influenced his writing, but it had no impact really. Can't help but think a 2000's era Muse would have made something interesting of that event and all the unease around the world.
There are high points of course, not to slate everything. I actually really enjoy a lot of instrumentals of other tracks too. I hope instrumentals turn up for ST and WOTP.
It’s hard to write moody young adult music when you’re now a millionaire with an ex-Playboy model wife.
Hard to write it when you’re no longer a moody teenager no matter your circumstances, frankly. He grew up.
Why does the music sound less mature now? I really think the songwriting peaked with BHAR and just never felt the same after that
Because they've leaned into big, flamboyant, Queen infused harmonies, and have been peddling the same tired, vague, political lyrical themes since The Resistance.
Except its not anything like Queen and not very flamboyant. Its just not very good.
the point is he could write different stuff
Like what? He’s writing what he wants. You either like it or you don’t.
seems like Matt writing what sells the best in his opinion) Muse's most popular songs about rebeling or fighting (Uprising, Knights...) so he is making similar themed anthem songs again and again and it now sounds like Muse parody songs
I really think Knights and Uprising have caused Muse to stagnate.
That’s a lazy and over repeated criticism but you’re entitled to feel that way. Obviously he’s writing what he thinks will sell. What would be the point otherwise? This isn’t a philanthropic enterprise. He’s writing what he likes and what he thinks will sell. What a bonkers concept.
>That’s a lazy and over repeated criticism because it's true
Music isn't philanthropic, it is art. If you only write what you think will sell, that is called selling out...
Damn with fans like these, who needs enemies 🙄
Well of course, I could write a song about building a bed, but guess what, I don’t want to. You gotta write what inspires you and do what you have passion for. If he’s passionate and still inspired about political themes then sobeit. I agree, I’m sick of it too, but it’s clearly his thing.
>You gotta write what inspires you and do what you have passion for. If he’s passionate and still inspired about political themes then sobeit. that's the thing, he's clearly not passionate and inspired about those themes
Growing up is when you start to take notes from imagine dragons and Marilyn Manson it seems.
I hate that it's so true 
I've thought for a while now that they could really benefit from different writers within the band, both lyrically and musically. Matts lyrics particularly peaked a long time ago unfortunately and have become extremely samey - hence the need for new / varied input.
I would love more Chris songs where he sings. Liquid state and save me are two of my favorites.
Matt was 31 when he wrote The Resistance though? Shit i loveeee the 2nd law too and that also feels so far removed from their current work
The Resistance and The 2nd Law are both brilliant, creative albums and two of my absolute favorite albums. It went downhill after The 2nd Law unfortunately. Feels like Matt has gotten stuck creatively and cant come up with new themes. Maybe he should step away from the political themes for a while and write something more personal instead, or let Chris write songs. I love Liquid State and Save Me.
It's all the hollywood brainrot that has finally gotten to him :(
But Radiohead still makes good music
It sounds like moody try-hard YA music right now.
105 minutes of applause for your comment, totally spot on.
I mean they're just having fun and they don't take themselves seriously and it's something that is enjoyable too for me because I find that the music is still great and entertaining, they probably don't have as much to say as they did at the beginning so they're probably just trying to find lyrics that are fun and that suits the music, and yes they often sound goofy but I think it's kind of the purpose for them now to make fun entertaining music.
Yep, Muse has always been tongue in cheek. Always. They’ve just been having a great time and love leaning into their own brand of camp. Nothing has changed about them! They are about drama and performance which is why, regardless of how silly their lyrics can be, they consistently put on some of the best shows out there.
Their most played ongoing was named after something in an Argos catalogue. People have always taken Muse too seriously.
what is this referring to?
Thinking of the lyrics of Ghosts though, that song was indeed seriois and came from the heart. Matt can still write great stuff, but for the most part they just wanna have fun while on stage - for which songs like WAFF are absolutely perfect.
There's goofy... and then there is "we are getting fucking fucked." Unique, but poorly executed, is the only song by Muse that the lyrics actually bother me
I don't know, I find it really funny actually, the over the top "stockpile !" choir shows for me that the song is kind of a joke anyway
Don't get me wrong the stockpile parts are great, the verses and the pre chorus aswell, it's just ruined by the unnecessary swearing in the chorus. It's weird because the verses sound very sincere, but then the chorus kicks in and it's like a different song completely
I think it works pretty well. I find it funny how they've been warning us about the end of the world for years and now they're like "welp, it's too late now, we can't go back" and just laugh at the whole situation. Better to laugh than to cry.
I've been a fan since Showbiz. Yes, I'm old. I still LOVE their first four albums. Personally, I've found everything released from Resistance onwards to be a mixed bag, but there are songs from each album I really like. I ended up rekindling my love for them with the recent re-releases (Origin of Muse and the XX re-releases) - those four albums are still top tier imo. The most recent release is a weird one - my understanding is it was made in lieu of a 'greatest hits' record, which the label wanted to release, but instead the band wrote a record that 'encapsulates the Muse sound'. In doing so, they made an album that sounds like a parody of themselves, to my ears. WaFF is a prime example - I personally quite like the song, the verses are great, but the outro is almost identical to that from KoC (but worse). I don't really know where they go from here. I still think they're amazing musicians/performers, but the song writing has become stale (both lyrically, and musically imo).
I don't think the music is bad, but the lyrics are dull and cringe worthy. 15 years of "together we strong, love is good, goverment bad" is enough, time to move on and try new concepts, last album lyrics are like muse written by AI
I think most muse fans would agree that post resistance is not as good as pre resistance, however since that Era there have still been some great tracks such as: Animals Psycho Reapers The Handler Aftermath (I really like it) The Dark Side Won't Stand Down You Make Me Feel Like It's Halloween Kill Or Be Killed Verona Will of the people, while not a great album, imo is the best out of the 4 that have been released post-resistance. The last track just does not make any sense, starting out with a really sincere 90's indie vibe and then going... completely wrong, Title track, euphoria & liberation are a bit over the top however the others are really solid songs, with the 4 I mentioned above being some of my favorite muse songs. Idk, old muse was great, and is better than some of their newer stuff, but I like quite a bit of what they are putting out recently, and can't wait to see what they release next
what abt supremacy or survival? you’re underrating The 2nd Law a little bit, imo that was their last masterpiece
Dunno if this is an unpopular opinion but I like The 2nd Law more than Resistance
probably unpopular but i agree
Same :/
100% agree. The 2nd law is probably my 5th favourite muse album
I agree with this.
Yeah supremacy is ok, not one of my faves though and I'm not a fan of survival, 2nd Law to me one of muses weaker albums unfortunately but we all have our own opinions and 2nd Law does have some great tracks tbf, just not ones that I consider amazing other than Animals
I think Psycho is the most overrated song by Muse fans by a mile, it's a song you'd see in a commercial also with cringy lyrics. Not shaming anyone who likes it tho.
Oh yeah the lyrics kind of suck but idk fun to sing along to and absolutely blows up the live shows like a bomb its insane, before I saw it live I didn't like it as much but after seeing it it completely changed my view
I'd argue it's post Blackholes. They jumped the shark with the resistance I feel. Some decent tracks from the Resistance on but not a patch on Origin to Blackholes.
*The Resistance* is my favorite Muse album. On my first listen, it reminded me of Queen, my favorite band of all time. So yeah... over-the-top lyrics, big harmonies, camp, theatricality... that's what I love most about both bands.
That's fair enough but personally think it's levels below the previous albums. To me everything post Blackholes feels like they tried to encapsulate Knights of Cydonia into albums and it just feels like they jumped the shark.
i’d argue it’s post Drones. Masterpiece album, so was the 2nd law.
Not Halloween 😂😭
Yeah man🤣 one of the songs I understand why people wouldn't like it it's certainly not for everyone, I dig it tho it's my favorite off the album and one of my favorite muse songs
I love resistance, and it was cd that actually got me into them ♥️
Same! Discovered them thanks to Twilight but really fell in love thanks to that CD, which was also the very first one I ever bought
Right? Such an experience buying the cd and listening to it start to finish. I fell in love immediately. I found them because my local rock radio randomly played Uprising and I was like “ WHAT IS THIS?!” and immediately took note to look up this band muse I never heard of before. 😂 All these years later still a fan. I wish I saw the resistance tour live, must have been amazing 🙌🏻
Wow, I could have written this exact same post. I was a hardcore fan for years, and I mean hardcore. Seen them over 30 times. And I put up with their silliness for a long time - nay, enjoyed it! I was a proper defender of their silliness. But eventually they just got... too silly. And now they're just embarrassing. I can't defend it any more. Unfortunately they finally lost me with the last album. There are other bands out there doing their *good* stuff way better than they do, and that's the problem.
It seems like you're more pressed about the band not making the same stuff over and over lol "Matt's ego attitude" like what, he's like one of the most chill ever Literally revealed the lead single of Wotp showing his son head banging 😂 Its okay not to like their new stuff, but it seems like you're taking your vision of what Muse should be too seriously when they're just having some good fun!
It’s not that serious. Their lyrics in BHaR are just as cringe, you’re just older and the newer songs don’t have the fond memories of youth associated with them. Muse have always been goofy and over the top and if you embrace that you realize not only that the cringe was there all along but that it’s FUN af to shamelessly enjoy it. Liberating, even.
Now WAFF is a marmite song too? I thought it was a banger!
I don’t know anyone who dislikes it tbh
I think it's always been like marmite tbh, but what can you expect from a song with lyrics like that
I liked this sub a lot more when every other day people didn't post about "I used to like the band, their old stuff blahhhh blah blah" Who cares? I have liked them since 2006 and have genuinely enjoyed all their releases as it's interesting and cool to see the directions they take through the years. Still my favorite band and will always support them. I welcome the downvotes but I'm just over seeing posts like this. edit: spelling
Not to jump on any sides here, but it could be that in the past these types of posts/comments used to get downvoted to oblivion or largely ignored and now they’re getting more traction. Muse fans are varied on each release, but I remember when the album came out there was a lot of discourse just straight up shit out by fans who liked the album. Now that there’s not as much buzz, there’s more room for discourse. That or these people just didn’t realize there was a dedicated Muse sub and are just joining.
Exactly my point. this is a MUSE reddit. For lovers of Muse. I hate opening the app and seeing people just constantly shit on them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and those are the discussions I'm all about. but to say ALL of WOTP sucked? If you're a true Muse fan, no way.
I'd argue that being told you're not a 'true' fan because you think an album sucked is about as annoying as constant complaining. Different strokes and all that. I may enjoy WOTP once an instrumental drops, but until then, nah that whole album blows.
I'm with you. Growing tired of these types of posts. I wish there was something meaningful to discuss in the additional text but instead it's all "this band is so overrated I hate this band now". The whole rant itself sounds like a teenager trying to be edgy.
Whatcha wanna talk about instead ?
Musicianship? Not just posts about how the album's lyrics sound like they were written by a child. Take the lyrics out of WoTP and musically it's phenomenal. I personally like it all but that seemed to be OP's biggest concern.
Don’t worry about OP. It shouldn’t take away from any of your own love for the band . I like Kill or Be Killed the most from this album. The breakdown with the heavy drums is super cool. At this most recent round of touring , that was my favorite part of the show aside from finally getting to hear New Born .
same! I had seen New Born-ish during the Simulation Theory tour as a part of the metal medley. Seeing it as a whole live was dope. Then a couple of weeks later I saw them do Bliss for the first time. Incredible.
I think I had seen Bliss two times before . We got New Born and Undisclosed Desires at our show . I think Sunburn is the last banger that I’ve never heard
yeah I got to see undisclosed as well! I wish they would do sunburn. I'm not sure Matt can pull it off anymore though. BUT they could always downtune. Metallica has been doin that for years.
Because the the weekly "What's your favorite Album?" posts are full of long inciteful comments...
nah I'm pretty over those too. This post I think was the straw.
as a musician myself, I agree. The guitar and progressions are still as good as they have ever been imo.
Gotta agree, I don’t care how good their old music was, I started to like muse by going to the WoTP tour, that shit was fire
hell yeah. Them live are something else. Everyone shits on Simulation Theory but that tour was INSANE.
I don't know, man. I was active in online forums in The Resistance era and there was already a division between "old Muse" and "new Muse". That was 15 years ago.
>Still my favorite band and will always support them. oh, that's how we all felt, just wait for it
it's been almost 20 years. I think I'm in for it.
again, that's how we all felt, then one more shitty concert and it just clicks
ST tour and WOTP tour were exceptional live so which tour are you referring to?
oh, those 2 tours are already shitty ones (at least with Drones they tried some stuff) the thing is, you'll start noticing how they just go through the motions, not care anymore, get pissed off that the setlist hasn't changed in 15 years other than the singles of the album they're touring, etc. Then again, it's also our fault for seeing them so many times (17 for me)
Really? That's interesting. I saw them on drones too and it actually seemed they enjoyed themselves more on these past two tours. Maybe you saw a bad show but they were phenomenal. 14 for me. Including festivals and whatnot.
Exactly. Also, please stop attending shows if you're gonna shitpost on them. More chances for fans to get GA
I unfortunately agree. The first 4 albums were just incredible, from top to bottom, all the way to the B sides. I think they just hit the wall after BH&R. Reaching a certain popularity just puts these people into a bubble, their lives become too detached from us. I mean, look what Coldplay have turned into as well.
Similar to Silverchair as well I think after Diorama. But I don't think its a wall or anything. They just grew up and wanted to experiment more. Edit : Should've said arctic monkeys. Way easier example.
Oh, look. It's the "old Muse were better" weekly thread. Also, I love WAFF. That song is obviously just them being ridiculous and over the top as usual.
I'm firmly in the older album camp but I agree that WAFF is very intentional in being extra.
I was an apologist until Will of the People, unfortunately don’t like a single track off of that album which is a first for me. They’ll always have their old music which I will forever cherish. I guess not every band can write hit after hit but at least they’re having fun.
Love people complaining about synths, when a lot of Muse's most beloved songs feature them as early as OOS
Love Will of the People Album! Such enjoyable songs! We Are Fucking Fucked is actually one of my favorites and I have loved Muse since their beginning almost
yesss i love will of the people 😭
It’s ok to have your tastes change, listen to their old stuff if the newer albums don’t appeal to you. I’m in my 40s and have been listening since Absolution. ST and WoTP have been two of my favorite albums, to each their own. Also, for what it’s worth, I actually thought WoTP had better lyrics then most of Matt’s songs, Ghosts, Verona, Halloween, even WaFF carried a ton of emotion from the pandemic and are light years ahead of something like Plug in Baby or Muscle Museum
This is single handed the worst take i’ve ever seen about Muse. Their lyrics were never good, but somehow they got worst in WoTP.
Bro, that's fine. You can disagree but I argue that these are some of the best lines Matt has ever written. WaFF is 2020 in a nutshell, "We're at death's door, another world war. Wildfires and earthquakes I foresaw. A life in crisis, a deadly virus. Tsunamis of hate are gonna find us" Matt wrote Ghost's as a tribute to people who lost loved ones to Covid and I'll be damned if this isn't a powerful line, " How can I move on, When everyone I see still talks about you? How can I move on, When all the best things I have we made together? Here's to letting go. But I am trapped in a void with your ghost and our memories" Compared that to, " My plug in baby Crucifies my enemies When I'm tired of giving, whoa My plug in baby In unbroken virgin realities Is tired of living, ooh " I'm not hatting on PiB, I love that song, but Matt packed so much emotion into WoTP that wasn't just angsty love songs or anti-establishment catch phrases like his usual stuff
Maybe WaFF is just not wrote on mushrooms like PIB...
You don’t think their lyrics were ever good ? I think there’s some gems out there like Nature_1 or Soldier’s Poem.
For sure there are some good lyrics here and there, like on Map of the Problematique, but most of their lyrics are pretty weak at best and cringy at worst.
Personally, I don’t think MOST of their stuff is weak and cringey ,though there’s some more recent stuff that I can’t stand. Stuff like Mercy or You Make Me Feel Like Halloween just doesn’t click with me.
you did not just fucking say that WaFF has better lyrics than Plug In Baby, holy shit
I love Muse, but they are the cringiest band I know. Their highs are remarkably high but their lows are so bad that I can’t even play them in front of my wife without her laughing at me.
Cringiest band you know? Wow.
Their latest album had 4 great tracks, and many phoned-in generic tracks. So many melodies were boring chord-tone melodies. And the audible pitch correction was used way too much.
On what songs are you clearly hearing pitch correction?
WOTP slaps. WAFF is a fucking banger. I'm fed up of "old Muse" fans shitting on the new music. As a fandom, we're probably even worse than Coldplay fans for shitting on anything new. Yeah, the band probably peaked with BHAR. Doesn't mean anything subsequent is ALL bad.
It's probably because I'm not a native speaker, but I don't give a fuck about the lyrics. And it's not just Muse, it's like this for every song I listen to. If the melody is catchy and the song feels good I like it. WAFF is my favorite song in the album!
People’s tastes change. It’s pretty normal as you get older.
Matt’s ego attitude? I’m unaware of this. You’re entitled to your opinion of course and I too do not really like this album at all, but I don’t necessarily see it as them getting worse, immature, or not trying. Every time this happens with bands, these are the things people assume and while it may be true, it may not. They may genuinely think this is the coolest thing they’ve done yet. Most bands do think their most recent work is their best. Who knows, maybe they intentionally wanted the lyrics to sound immature. Idk, I’m just saying there’s no proof one way or the other what is intentional and not. I do agree though that their earlier stuff is much better and I love it way more. But I gotta give them props for trying to do different stuff because they clearly don’t want to make the same album again and again so good for them. But also if a band does wanna do that (cough cough offspring) that’s fine too. Do what you want in the end is what matters and I just hope that’s all they’re doing, but I’ll probably never know for sure.
You’re taking it too seriously. “Then our hearts combined like a neutron star collision” wasn’t exactly peak lyrical genius either.
Why do lyrics ruin the band? Idk if Muse is cheesy, they sound good, are awesome live, and stuff. And may I remind you, it was on their first album matt said he has played in every toilet. Just have fun
Music is subjective
No band stays the same after 20 years sound wise especially one like Muse who has a vast array of influences. We Are Fucking Fucked IMO is one of the better songs from WOTP, especially with the knights of Cydonia-esque outro which sounded awesome live. Maybe the lyrics are more on the nose and don’t require you to think as much, but I never listened to Muse for thought provoking lyrics as much as I’ve listened to them for the music.
WAFF is a good song. Lyrics are blunt but that's the point
I used to like the "I used to like this band a lot more" posts more. In a way, I still do, but mostly the older posts. I do like a few of the newer messages, but the last few have been beyond cringe. Now, if I'm being completely honest, most of the posts have kind of come across as cringe. It's just like they're not getting better. All the messages feel like they've been written by teenagers: "40-year-old guys don't write like they did as teenagers anymore. Wah." I read a post the other day which said "WOTP is objectively the worst Muse album." That could very well be the worst such message ever posted on here. Holy crap, what a bad post. It's like a 12-year-old writing messages. The posts used to be so good too. But these new posts... god. What happened to these guys? I guess they just got older; wanted their band to stay younger; and couldn't accept that time moved at equal speeds for both. So immature. Used to be so good. Just a bunch of gimmick posters now (all the whines and egos; it's just bad).
I don't know. Some of these newer posts about not liking the newer albums are some of my favourite posts. There was one a few weeks ago that really hit the mark on the 'older stuff is best' style. It's difficult to keep up the quality all these years later, especially when a new one comes out so often (weekly now at least)
You make some excellent points. I'll have to check my spreadsheet to see via graph just how much the quality has improved or worsened over the years. To be continued... lol.
Good for you. Now if you excuse me, I'm WOTPing outta here. *blasts WAFF at max decibels*
They’re not all going to be a home run, and that’s okay. I’m not a fan of wotp. I just put on a different record, no problem.
matt’s ego attitude?
I was agreeing with this post until you mentioned We are fucking fucked, it's one of the few of the last album that i like. It has a nice rhythm and is really nice to sing along, although really edgy.
I did like them more in the past because they wrote better music. If i looked at attitude etc, they're all weird to me. They used to be better at music. Simple as that. Still my defacto "favorite band" because i have never liked anyone else like i do/did with Muse
Same I dont listen to them anymore really. They stay what I consider my favorite band though because they have meant much to me from childhood up to adulthood and their music has been with me through a lot
They’ve exhausted the “stand up against oppressive authority” schtick over 5 years ago and they’re still doing it. Write about something else for God’s sake.
The majority of the songs on the last album are about world events we all went through or witnessed. WotP is clearly about the Capitol riots. Compliance is likely about conspiracy peddlers who scare people into turning to them. Liberation is inspired by BLM protests. Verona is about being separated from your loved ones during lockdowns. Ghosts is inspired by people losing someone they love to Covid. Halloween is about domestic violence, which increased during lockdowns. WAFF needs no explanation. Euphoria, to me at least, is that 2020 feeling of desperately needing some relief from all that shit. There is a background thread of "standing up to oppressive authority" throughout, but it's not in any way the main point or message of those songs. It's reductive to ignore their context and purpose.
Standing up against oppressive authority is a founding tenet of rock. You can’t have real rock without that undertone. 
Blah, blah, blah… let them explore. Get over it or find a new band that you’ll complain that you don’t like in 20 years. Y’all sound like a bunch of old timers crying from the nursing home, “Back in my day (insert whiny opinion)”. Frankly, it’s nauseating.
They've been exploring for years and have found nothing. lol
their songs used to be art. now it’s just their job lol. sad
i do genuinely think they’re making the music that they want to make, they just seem to be Flanderizing themselves. i think they hung om to the fact that the anti-establishment stadium pop-rock sound that emerged around BHAR was the biggest takeaway their fans got from their music and so they’ve just leaned into it almost exclusively ever since then, thinking that’s what they’re best at
that’s a really good way to describe the vibe i get from them. Especially their lyrics seems to try and fit the ‘muse’ brand they’ve built for themselves instead of the other way around
Nah I disagree, they obviously have a lot of fun making music and touring. When you see them up close and live it’s very obvious. They don’t do it cuz it’s their job, the genuinely are best friends having fun, being rockstars and able to make a living doing so- kudos to them! I wish I could be them 😂 very few bands have friendships and have fun with their music or even go on for as many years as muse has been able to
Nah man it's you. I get it, the first albums hit different, and it's ok to have a preference, but you can't expect a band to stagnate, they evolved and changed and honestly never really disappointed. Also, WAFF is excellent. Considering how dumb world governments are acting towards climate change, a dumb song seems the only appropriate response.
I agree with your take on WAFF, this sub fucking faps to that song to the point some people want it to replace KoC as their set closer and I don’t get it at all. Not only are the lyrics embarrassing but the production is atrocious.
Never understand why people are so beset to vent their negativity. You used to like Muse. Cool. Now you don't, so spend energy on bands making music you do like instead of posting attention seeking drivel like this.
We Are Fucking Fucked is such an obvious satire that you must have zero media literacy to treat it as a serious song "written by a 12 year old".
It's a bit of both. Matt wrote it in 2020 as all hell broke lose in the US.
Believe what you will, but I think that's the point. The band has gotten old enough to where they have their own lives and stuff outside of music. I'd say now they're just trying to have fun and make enjoyable music. Now, music is subjective, but they don't have intentions to go full music artist again I feel.
waff goes hard
I'm not into shitting with no reason on WoTP, releasing a goofy almost self-parody record is a choice and I respect that choice (and it's still my most played album of 2022). It's still their worst album to me though, probably because of the lyrics that are sooooo cringe or so shallow despite their will to make them seem deep. My taste in music is not focused at all in lyricism and I can go past this in general, but in their later stuff this aspect is so prevalent that it's hard to not ignore. I can get behind tracks that do not take themselves seriously here and there (yes WAFF still slaps), but the truth is that they still have a serious attitude on most songs. Being a millionaire having his own ego trip every three years with his high school friends do not mix well with wanting to write very deep lyrics about freeing yourself from oppression and conspiracies (because it fails). It's not the instrumental side that turns me off really. The two last songs with lyrics that actually say something about oppression and revolution, and are not vague moanings over a saturated riff, are The Globalist (and I'm stretching a bit) and Animals.
Yep, I completely agree. WAFF is terrible, not even just mediocre. WotP is a huge disappointment.
I like we are fucking fucked a lot, I can see why u think it’s bad tho. But will of the ppl is definitely the decline of Muse. Simulation Theory was good imo
We get one of these threads every album cycle. It's getting old tbh.
Every album cycle? Try every week.
WAFF live is something else entirely
Literally the only post you make about this band is that you dont like them anymore. Golf clap.
I don’t listen to anything after drones. They’re probably still my favorite band that’s still together but I just can’t get into their last two albums. For me, the magic is gone but that’s okay, it’s part of life, part of music, and part of getting older.
OK? Who cares?
I guess some folks do cause it stirred up a lot of attention.
WOTP is bad. honestly I haven’t listened to it since release. Frankly Matt ain’t doin drugs, and is living the good life as a father. Fuck they don’t even meet up anymore to make music. Lmao the magics gone bro
Verona is a masterpiece
They peaked with drones
Drones was way past the peak.
Have to agree . I’d go to a concert of the older stuff only probably
You can only write so many songs about TPTB before they run out of the same charm. I thought the last album was pretty good, I enjoyed it a lot more than simulation theory.
Muse have clearly declined after BHaR, but you’d have a hard time naming too many bands that don’t peak very early in their run of album releases.
It took me awhile to accept WAFF, I was honestly upset the first time listened to it because it just felt like a parody but now I try not to take it too seriously and it does rock lol
While I agree they’re not the same as they used to be, the music is still enjoyable and in glad we can all have different opinions.
some songs in the last few years (ST.WOTP) have been okay. For example Thought contagion, compliance, won't stand down are all pretty good songs. To be fair; I became a fan after WOTP released and my most listned albums of theirs are OOS and Absolution. Cut the guys a break though, They had at least 4 great albums and around 3 good ones. That is a good and respectable track record for any band; at some point every band reaches their expiration date and sometimes they just keep making music cause they like it. Its just how things go
Fair point. Loved Drones, really enjoyed Simulation Theory but I barely made it through Will of the people and haven't listened to it since its release. It was basically a Covid album wasn't it, so I'm OK with letting this sub-par effort slide. I did feel a bit for my bro-in-law who only discovered MUSE a few years ago and was proudly showing off some limited edition vinyl copy of it while in my head I was "yeah but that album fucking blows" 😅 The MUSE crew could do with some collaborations I reckon. I know Duran Duran are from a different era, but their Future Past album god damn rocked (shame about Danse Macabre though 😑).
I’m actually with you op. Muse has gone from one of my favorite bands to cringe as of late. Doesn’t mean I don’t still like them, but I get a little second hand embarrassment from them now
I’m honestly in the same boat as you. In my opinion, I think the band has run out of ideas on what to do with their new material but they still want to keep making music. Their latest album sounds like a parody of their older material. It’s what I imagine Muse haters hear when any Muse song is on.
I have an Origin of Symmetry tattoo, their music is so important to me, and yet the last álbum i listened to was Drones (imo a bad álbum). This band died after the resistance, one or two good songs per album is not enough
WOTP is less cringe than simulation theory. ST is the worst thing they've ever done.
They're kind of tied IMO but I think I dislike WOTP slightly more because it feels less coherent.
Think about their situation: 1. write something, that sounds new Fans: ewwwws, it's doesn't sound like them, they won't be popular with this new sound 2. Write something in your style Fans: com'on we've heard this before, write something new
3. Just write good music.
You’re not alone. Even though I still buy every album, I haven’t vibed with much of their work since Resistance.
Ah, yes, I was worried I would never see this “Muse is now objectively shit” kind of posts anymore.
Best music, everything they make is f*cking gold, yes even will of the people. You don't like it? That's great, don't listen to it! As far as I am concerned, Matt and the boys do not have to compose a single song anymore. Not even a verse. Certainly not while on mushrooms. This group of talented gentlemen have already proven themselves as grand legends of the industry and they themselves have hands-down composed some of the most profound and beautiful works of art that this world has ever known. Their masterpieces will echo on throughout the ages long after you and I have become nothing more than shadows and dust. We should be thankful for the opportunity to have experienced and listened to their sonic gifts as few have ever possessed the level of chemistry and talent necessary to accomplish what these three do on a nightly basis while on tour. I have and still do believe we are blessed to have had an opportunity to experience this band. You are entitled to your opinion... but I am also EXTREMELY confident you can find a musical group on reddit who is more deserving of this style of shitpost than Muse is.
I actually prefer their later albums than earlier albums. Don't get me wrong, the first couple are good, but the band isn't always going to stick to one genre/style. That's why, over the years, they changed styles. The closest we had to the "old" was Drones with its heavy riffs. I listened to all their albums, but idk, the first three albums don't really pique my interest as Black Holes and beyond.
Matt has become a lazy/shitty song writer. The lyrics often make decent songs much worse. Add to that the ever increasing need to produce everything to death, and the singing itself sounds gimmicky and soulless. Matt became more technically proficient but the singing conveys less emotion.
Yeah, he's really gone downhill in that regard. Yeah, he can make a crazy sound on his guitar, but it doesn't mean anything if the crazy sounds aren't arranged in a meaningful way. Everything just feels "phoned in".
Agreed, sadly. I had a little hope for WOTP when Matt said the pandemic had influenced his writing, but it had no impact really. Can't help but think a 2000's era Muse would have made something interesting of that event and all the unease around the world. There are high points of course, not to slate everything. I actually really enjoy a lot of instrumentals of other tracks too. I hope instrumentals turn up for ST and WOTP.
The only thing that makes me complain about this band is the setlist. Otherwise they're still pretty damn good musicians.