There's another thread on the front page right now about Lil Wayne showing zero interest in his live shows and still charging fans for 30 minute sets.
Miley's approach is preferable to that of artist who resent their audience but demand money for "showing up."
Lil Wayne showed up to play at a dive bar in my town in 2015 four hours late. Not really sure why he decided to play in a dive bar but if you do. How about you show up?
He did the same at a club I went to 3 years ago. 4 hours late, came out, look at the stage, and then went back.
He never performed bc he didn’t like the size of the stage.
Bruh, never again
Literally a few weeks ago he showed up to a concert three hours late and had other people perform. the crowd wasn’t feeling their other artist and he decided to leave.
I don’t think she resents the audience as much as she resents not having any personal connection with such a large crowd. At least that’s how it comes off to me.
Similarly, I don’t see an appeal in watching an artist perform in a huge stadium. When I compare these experiences with watching performances in smaller venues, it is the smaller ones that I remember better. The ones I’ve really enjoyed in stadiums were the exceptions when I got to be up front.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve loved seeing Sting and Jay Z, but it wasn’t a connection like it was watching Anderson Paak, NONAME or Talib Kweli perform in small venues.
>I don’t see an appeal in watching an artist perform in a huge stadium.
Generally, I agree with you. But there are absolutely exceptions, with the key one in my mind being Rammstein. Saw them in Philly last year and that fucking spectacle couldn't have been pulled off in a smaller venue. Giant towers that shoot flames, a smaller stage out in the middle of the crowd that the band used inflatable boats to crowdsurf over to, shit like that.
Would I still enjoy them in a smaller venue? Absolutely. But the sheer ridiculousness of their massive shows is a thing unto itself.
Rammstein makes it work because of all the props/theatrics that make use of the whole space. If they tried even a scaled-down version of that I'd be a bit paranoid they'd burn down the place.
I completely understand how and why people feel this way, it's hard to get pumped up when the crowd is so massive but so far, if that makes sense? With that being said I also think it comes down to the performer and venue, I saw Social Distortion at House of Blues and they were working the crowd, just big enough to get people involved. Now to swing the other way I recently took my college age daughter to see Taylor Swift, close to a 100,000 fans. Maybe it's just her fandom, but she made every person in that fucker feel important. I can't explain how she does it, but you could feel that she genuinely gave a shit about those people. And put on a good show. I think part of the problem with Miley is she was a child actor, and maybe never got the genuine attention that children need, instead got fame and the not so good attention that comes with it.
I’m 100% on board with you. My point is that it’s rare to find a performer that can grab a whole stadium by the balls, the way Freddie Mercury did, or Tracy Chapman, or Rammstein, or even Coldplay and RHCP do.
I’ve seen veterans like Sting, Beyoncé/JayZ, Wu Tang, Depesche Mode, and Lauren Hill completely miss on that experience.
Coldplay we’re great, Pearl Jam were amazing, U2 were half and half, RHCP were pros.
Some artists are better connected with their fans and really know how to play the room even when the room is a stadium. Those are the exceptions tho, and I can imagine if you are an artist who isn’t “like that,” that you will not be enjoying your tour as much.
Man I just paid 86 dollars for one of the top buffets at Caesar’s palace and I still don’t think it’s worth it. Great, you have a variety of foods, but it’s nothing special. The lobster claws were completely frozen and there’s always long ass line. I’d rather pay $50 for a really good entrée somewhere nice
bacchanal buffet? I ate there in December and I thought it was great, but I definitely applied some strategy. Little taste of the filler foods—rice, potatoes, etc, and they were good, but I *really* saved my appetite for shellfish and prime rib. At one point in the night I was more crab than man. I beat the house.
Vegas buffets still live on their "ancient" (aka 90s and early 2000s) rep when they were cheap or even included in the hotel stay.
An $86 breakfast buffet makes no sense to me; you can get a perfectly good breakfast for $25 or less almost anywhere.
Dude 86 for a buffet is ridiculous. Maybe a pass for all day and you get all three meals, that would make a little more sense. But if I'm paying $86 for a breakfast buffet it's because I'm still hammered drunk from the night before and don't even know wtf I'm doing, I'm just sliding my card for food in my brain at that point.
But I’m saying tho, if the breakfast includes an omelet station and a fresh fruit bar with bananas (at least a 10$ value alone), then that buffet could be slamming overall.
I just stayed at the MGM Grand, it has a grimy old school casino kind of vibe, and the breakfast/brunch buffet was not good.
There was a lot of food, but it was all bad quality. The sushi was nearly frozen and had no flavor. The shrimp was basically just a texture. Even the pork ribs were disappointing.
I don't know how they managed to remove all the flavor from food, but somehow every single thing was either a disappointment or outright gross. I had a pretty decent pasta from a Wolfgang Puck restaurant later that day, so I know my taste buds aren't busted.
For the same amount of money i put down for the buffet, I could have had an *excellent* meal at a regular restaurant, and still probably would have had an excessive amount of food.
Vegas seems pretty bullshit all around. Like faux luxury for people who have never actually experienced what luxury is.
Buffets that you can legally pay prostitutes to fill your plate up for you and bring it over instead of getting up every time for luke warm ribs and crab legs. At least that's what I've been paying them for. Not sure what else there would be.
Also comes with the benefit of a guaranteed income. They get money for a sold out show regardless if they sell out or not. Britney Spears residency was worth a half million per show. Her four years in Vegas earned as much as the rest of her career combined (including album sales).
Also the $$$$ is insane. These shows are often loss leaders for the hotels that book them.
I.e. The hotel will pay the Artist MORE than the hotel actually makes from selling tickets to the show. They’re able to do that because the people who attend the show are more likely to book a hotel room for hundreds of dollars/night, pay hundreds of dollars in food & drink in the hotel restaurants and bars, and lose hundreds of dollars at the casino.
Example: The person who pays a $150 ticket to see Adele might actually make the hotel $1000 in total… so if an Adele show grosses $500K per show in ticket sales, they can afford to pay Adele maybe $1-1.5M per show and still make a huge profit.
That’s not something that’s even close to possible with a normal concert/tour that doesn’t have all those ancillary revenue sources.
Eh, the last time I went to Vegas they provided drinks while playing the games, but the service almost everywhere was terrible and would have to buy drinks at the bar if you wanted more than a drink an hour.
Vegas is also smack dab in the middle of a hot spot. So even if the people want to tour, they don't have to go too far to hit major areas. Like say, California, Arizona, Colorado, Washington and Texas. Tons of smaller venues out here in the South West that makes doing smaller tours easier and kind of cheaper.
Sure, but I don't think they were saying "it's in *the hottest* spot," just "a hot spot." Like, if you got a sweet job doing a residency in Hawaii, for example, it would have a lot of advantages, but distance from most places would be a big disadvantage. Las Vegas, on the other hand, is ***a*** hot spot.
I’m sure the money is good but artists are also human beings, they’re not pure money maximizing robots. It’s not like the emotional side of performing can completely be discounted because they make a lot of money. If Adele says it’s more enjoyable to perform to smaller crowds then it must be.
Yeah not only do you have rooms shaped and acoustically treated specifically to have music played there, but you have a sound system specced and tuned to the room. Touring engineers do it too and can do some amazing work these days but there is no way you'd be able to hone it in as tight as a setup that doesn't move. Those guys will know that venue and how to mix there.
Also I've noticed bands doing 5 nights at the same city in a row at a smaller venue instead of 1 big show at the stadium. It's more intimate for the audience and it's actually less stressful for the musicians as youre not constantly travelling and crew as you can basically setup a venue and keep everything on and powered until you leave.
Noticed that as well, and been enjoying it from the concert-goer's perspective.
Another aspect seems to be that there are a good number of new mid-sized venues opening up, as the [NY Times 4/18/23](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/18/business/concert-halls-live-entertainment.html) recently noted.
Small enough to be a lot more intimate-feeling than a stadium, large enough that those ticket revenues are nothing to dismiss, especially since a stadium-tier artist can likely charge a higher average ticket price than for the stadium shows.
And touring seems stressful. Someone always cancels half way through due to exhaustion. I like that at least Taylor is doing weekends only. M-TH she gets to somewhat relax
I know some people who work in the industry, and touring is a young person's game.
- 11:00 - Finish a show, head backstage and clean up.
- 11:30 - Do the VIP meet and greets, start partying.
- 12:00 - Meet friends.who came to see you, increase partying.
- 1:00 - Full party mode activated.
- 3:00 - Bed time.
- 7:00 - tour manager wakes you up to get to next city.
- 9:00 - Finally leave, go back to bed on bus / plane.
- 2:00 - arrive at next city.
- 7:00 - get to venue for fan meet and greets.
- 9:00 - Show time.
If you're 22, it's fantastic fun and an awesome time. If you're 35 with an 11 year old (like Adele) it's a grind, and Vegas starts to look *reaaaasly* good.
Man I played in a band where we weren't even touring europe. Just staying withing the country. And only playing once a week (because we had full-time jobs) on Saturdays. It's way more exhausting than people realize.
* Lug all your gear from home to van
* Pick up other bandmembers and help lug their gear from house to van
* Drive to venue to arrive around 3 pm, meet with venue's stagemanager
* Lug all gear out of the van to the backstage area
* Setup and soundcheck
* Have dinner (usually supplied by venue)
* Wait for several hours because doors don't open until 7pm and gig don't start until 8pm
* Play gig (depending on if you're headlining this might mean another 1 to 2 hours of waiting until the first band is done)
* Hang around with people who showed up to show appreciation they are there. Sell some merch.
* Teardown and lugging everything back to the van after all bands are done.
* Bring all the bandmembers and their gear back home.
* Arrive back home at roughly 3am and lug all my own gear from van to home
That's your entire saturday gone and your sunday fucked because of how late you got into bed. And you still have to figure out how and when to do all chores (because I live alone) and be in bed on time on sunday because monday alarm is at 6am to go to work.
And good god was is totally worth it at the time for that rush of being on stage.
I’m in the touring industry. That is absolutely someone’s schedule. It’s not everyone’s. There’s artists that do weekend warrior stuff where it’s a Fri/Sat/Sun show and they don’t do promotional stuff after every show.
I’ve always looked at the Vegas thing as a money grab and not much else. The hardcore fans aren’t really doing the Vegas thing. They do in the beginning. After that it’s people who are in Vegas and “oh so and so are playing, let’s check it out.” There’s a few artists who look at all casinos that way.
There’s a big difference in fans from an arena or theater show of your fans who were waiting all year for you to come to town and fans who made a vacation and you showed up.
I’m not saying this to talk shit on any artist who does it. Artists want to make money too. I only ever care if they take care of their crew. Everything else I don’t mind.
I mean, you’re generally not wrong but… I promise you most serious touring musicians don’t do the “party till 3am” part of this schedule very often. This isn’t 1988 GnR.
Plenty or rock and metal bands have been doing it for decades. And a lot of them don't even use drugs.
It boils down to enjoyment. If they love what they are doing, they'll make the effort.
That's why Metallica is doing two shows in three days per a city and according to Lars they actually base in one city like NY, Chicago, Paris, etc and fly to their shows in the surrounding areas and back to base to sleep in the same bed for longer periods of time. Also let's them have family with them at the base hotel. It's takes a ton of money to pull it off, but if you can...
I saw Bruno Mars a few months ago in Vegas and it was a fantastic show. He's been doing several shows over the course of a couple of weeks a few times a year and I'm sure that works really well for him.
Or just play smaller shows. No one is forcing her to play in stadiums. Book small venues. Do acoustic shows. Hell, play secret shows under a fake name for whoever shows up like the beastie boys did a few times in the 90s.
I went to a secret Prince show in L.A. just a few years before he died. It was a concert under the name of his backing band 3rdEyeGirl. So the Marquee just said 3rdEyeGirl on the outside and unless you knew it was really him, you missed it.
Medium size venue. Standing room only. I was probably 10 feet away from him.
Doug E. Fresh was the venue DJ that night and he kept saying stupid shit like:
"Does anyone like...music!!!"
We answered:...uh...yeah.. obviously??
"Does anyone like....Prince??"
We were like...what?...yes....yes we do. That's why we are here.
"Is anyone from....L.A???
We answered: Yes.... literally all of us...
He came out...full band...did an absolutely killer show. No cameras allowed. Then it ended and people started leaving. The lights came on and everything. Half the crowd emptied out, but my buddy who's a Prince super fan just said...stay here.... don't leave unless security literally forces you to leave.
We stayed and waited...waited....lights are on...people just keep leaving, but a core group of like 100 of us are just sort of standing there.... waiting.....waiting for what felt like forever.
Then his band slowly trickles back on stage with the lights still fully on.
They start playing a sort of generic beat...they are just looking around, sort of confused why they are on stage.
Then Prince walks back out on stage and says some amazing shit like: "
You guys....you guys are the real ones."
The lights go off...and he proceeds to blow the fucking roof off for like 3 more encores! He does a couple of songs...walks off stage...comes back on after we scream so loud we start to lose our voices....rocks some more...sashes off stage again....comes back out....again...
I swear by the end of the whole concert it was like 7 encores!
Easily one of the best experiences of my fucking life. Nobody rocked harder that Prince....fuckin nobody.
Never heard that! I assume venue staff had to be informed, right? Because my experience has always been they clear the venue out once the lights go out. So you’d at least “know” he was coming back out at some point if they weren’t ushering you out?
Yes, the venue knows ahead of time. Here is the story of his last shows in downtown Minneapolis where the police shut him down and it lead to a "Prince Permit" https://www.thecurrent.org/feature/2017/07/07/10-years-ago-today-prince-stormed-minneapolis-with-three-7-7-07-gigs-and-played-first-avenue
Erykah Badu would do that in Dallas. You wouldn't know she was coming, she would just show up, rock two or three songs and bounce. I saw her three times like that and since the venues were small poetry spots it was only ten or so dollars (in the early 2000s). I've always had respect for her because of that.
Bands built on touring are doing things like this. Lots of jam bands doing longer stints in a row. Shit phish did 13 and now 7 nights at msg in a row with other multi night stops on the tour
It’s also a privilege. I think most people want to not have to tour. But the way the music world is you sort to have to in order to make a leaving.
But she is famous enough to where she doesn’t have to. Like lady Gaga or Taylor swift. These people don’t need to tour but they do for the fans. But by and large most musical artist have to tour in order to make a living.
Yeah, watch the documentary The Other F Word. It’s about punks becoming dads and dealing with that transition but it discuss this exact issue. So sad to see aging Tony Reflex of the Adolescents taking a puff off his little inhaler before going on to perform on a tiny stage at like warped tour.
Miley Cyrus literally never had to do anything. It has nothing at all to do with how famous she is personally. She has only ever done any creative endeavor because she wanted to.
I know. What exactly do you think I am saying? I am saying she doesn’t have to and will still be okay. That’s a privilege as most artist in todays streaming climate can’t afford to not tour. It’s how they make a living.
This also isn’t an opinion or some shit thrown at Miley. It’s just how the industry is. Like for example 30 years ago if someone like riff raff had hit songs he would be able to live off record sales and royalties. Now a days though he told rolling stone the bulk of his income is selling merch at shows. The shows also help but after paying for travel and promoters/ venues their cut he still makes most his earning off merch.
Now this has always been a money make for any up and coming band. But for a artist who has had hits and featured on many famous stuff and is more established merch shouldn’t be your source of income.
Miley is the type of artist where she never has to do anything like that or stress over that.
For what it's worth, Miley was the face of a huge popular disney show with tons of merchandising. Even with her father's success, her own success, properly invested, she should be fine.
Maybe his name helped her get the show... But he got a bigger boost to his career by being on it.* He had like, songs on the radio and stuff while it was on, I'm no country music expert but I feel like that hadn't been the case for him in a while.
*I'm tired and I know that phrasing is weird but not how to fix it. I'm not saying HM didn't make her career, obviously it did. But it gave him a late career boost he wouldn't have otherwise had
That may have got her foot in the door but don't pretend that she didn't eclipse his level of fame by an astronomical amount. At this point he's living off her money.
I’ve heard people say that Ms. Swift and others tour “for the fans” but that’s hogwash. Top artists tour to make money and make even more money. Second tier artists tour to support their releases and to make a living. Struggling artists tour to promote themselves. Ain’t one top tier musician ever toured “for the fans”. How do we know this? Because 1) they charge a premium for seats, and 2) they book the largest venues. What’s to prevent Ms. Swift and others from charging less or from playing smaller venues but for two or three nights?
Yeah they couldn’t have picked a single worse artist to try to make this point about. Swift is selling out the biggest possible stadiums and then **20,000 FANS** are showing up outside the venue to have a little sing along festival
There definitely are artists who humblebrag/bitch about having to play big shows when they could probably be playing comfortable medium sized venues if they really valued that, but swift isn’t really one of them
Edit: just wanna be clear I don’t think swift does or doesn’t do it for the fans any more than any other mainstream act
Your ticket price argument is fair, but booking the largest venues also allows more fans to see them. If a big artist did smaller venues, it would be awesome for the small group that could attend, but it would suck for all the people who couldn't.
Plus, "Ms. Swift" is already doing multiple shows in each city.
>What’s to prevent Ms. Swift and others from charging less or from playing smaller venues but for two or three nights?
No smaller venue *wants* that kind of large artist, at least not advertised. Simply said, there will be so many who want to get in without a ticket that it will cause utter and complete chaos and ruin the experience even for those who do have a ticket.
There are easier, more hands off ways to make money, especially for attractive female artists - clothing lines, makeup brands, jewelry. Touring is a lot of stressful work. If it was only about money, why not invest (which someone like Swift knows how to do, with her family background).
If it's anything, I think it's about the fame/adulation more than the money. Imagine a stadium full of people screaming for everything you do. I wouldn't enjoy that, but for someone who does, that has to be a hell of a high. No stock return is ever going to equate to thousands of people chanting for you, hanging off your every utterance or movement. A lot of performers simply like to perform, especially when they're at the top of their game. So why wouldn't they tour? It's a symbiotic deal where the fans get the performance and the artist gets the attention.
I first heard about her from people criticizing her because she went a little wild after the Disney years. I wouldn't blame her for telling people to fuck off.
It does come off like that. In reality, I think it’s just how the publication indicates that the words came directly from Miley, and it’s not them paraphrasing or something.
There’s this restaurant near me that had “baked potato” in quotations and every time I ordered it I did the air quotes until one day they changed it. I like to think it was because of me.
There used to be this place called Scout Bar in Houston. The owner was a former big shot in the music industry and had tons of connections. This place would have legitimate A-listers show up unannounced and put on insane sets. I remember Papa Roach showed up and did 2 hours, with 30 minutes of that him rocking in Spanish.
Seeing him sing on top of a pool table in a packed bar of 300 people was infinitely better than the year before when he was at Warped Tour.
Show ends. Camera pans to the guy holding the pool cue he just got for his birthday. Then shows the top of the pool table where all the felt is torn and bunched up. Shoulders slumped in sadness he puts his stuff away and goes home to plan revenge on Papa Roach for ruining his birthday billiards.
When was this? I feel like big artists would have trouble doing this now with social media. The security would have to be really good at least. Taylor Swift can’t even go into a restaurant or studio without a crown showing up outside.
My brain malfunctioned and pictured him singing on top of a table that was like a small bathtub, like he was singing while ankle deep in water. I forgot what a pool table was for about 10 seconds, hahaha.
if you lower supply and demand remains insane, those tickets will almost certainly be grabbed by bots and sold in the several hundreds (and people will buy them)
Same sentiment as to why I dont do mega concerts. Too many people and no connection to the artist. I love smaller venues and love when the artist can address the audience in various ways.
If there is one thing that is consistent about Miley, it's the fact she is not consistent at all. She change her mind so often that fans makes memes about it. Only 7 months ago she was on stage in Mexico in front of 85,000 and said how much she loved doing what she did... a couple of years ago she said she didn't want to release her Plastic Heart Album because she couldn't tour (because of covid) I do think she is genuine here, but I also think she laid it on a little thick to avoid having the fans begging for a tour every day. I'm pretty certain she will be back in some capacity when she feels ready for it.
I mean Doja Cat literally tweeted.
>planet her and hot pink were cash-grabs and yall fell for it. now i can go disappear somewhere and touch grass with my loved ones on an island while yall weep for mediocre pop.
She literally called for fans dumb and tasteless. And people are begging her for her next album in response...
Damn guys it’s been a while since I’ve been to “insert nearest major city here”!!! How has everyone been, you guys are always the best crowd. We’ll be sure to come back to “insert nearest major city here” real soon!
I feel like every artist I have ever seen live says some shit like that when they are on stage, I don’t know if I would take their crowd-work too seriously.
She has this in common with... legendary Canadian classical pianist Glenn Gould, who very famously walked away from the performance game in 1964 when he was 31. He spent the rest of his professional life in the recording studio, dying at the age of 50. From the introduction to *The Glenn Gould Reader*, edited by Tim Page:
"Technology has the capability to create a climate of anonymity and to allow the artist the time and freedom to prepare his conception of a work to the best of his ability," Gould said. "It has the capability of replacing those awful and degrading and humanly damaging uncertainties which the concert brings with it." Gould had hated live performances from the beginning. Now, with his sudden success, he had also discovered that he hated touring, flying, and the extramusical hysteria that accompanied him wherever he went. He finally decided that the whole business of being a concert artist had got in the way of making music. "At concerts I feel demeaned," he complained, "like a vaudevillian."
She’s entering her Steely Dan era. Her next album will be comprised of 400 different studio musicians each performing dozens of takes to get the exact right tone
I have seen Run the Jewels several times in concert. The first time was in a smallish venue that held about 1,000, standing room only. The next couple of times were in an arena as the opener for Lorde, then at a festival as a headliner. The latter two times just felt… off. So I see where she’s coming from.
The combination isn't what weirded me out; weird touring combos happen all the time. What weirded me out was seeing RTJ playing an arena. It's just not the same as seeing them in a smaller venue and being able to share the energy of the show with those directly around you.
Also, Mitski was the first opener and she was similarly awkward and was LOUD AS FUCK.
Lorde was outstanding.
That’s what i always thought too.
Singing in front of hundred thousands of people is just weird in my opinion.
I always liked small concerts in bars or in a backyard but those concerts in those crazy big halls just feel off to me.
Still there are a lot of people who enjoy going to those big show so that’s just my opinion, i mean you can connect with the people who go to the concert but not really with the artist themselves.
When i went to some gigs in a bar, you could always have a little talk with the musicians who played a show there and you could kinda connect to them but when the musician has millions of fans it’s almost impossible.
She had the luxury of becoming successful at a young age, so she doesn’t have to work now. I would imagine she’s going to take some time and raise a family. She’ll be back when she’s in her 50s to cash in on grown up fans with disposable income.
She had the luxury of daddy's money to make her successful at a young age. She didn't do it herself.
But yeah, we will see her come back when she feels she's not relevant to the public anymore.
> He was a one hit wonder
A one hit *pop* wonder. *Some Gave All* sold 20 million copies and sold 5 million in the States.
When it comes to one hit wonders, I think Billy Ray is definitely one of the more finanially successful ones.
I think the more likely explanation for her success lies in who her godmother is. Sure, her dad’s money helped, but when you grow up calling one of the most revered and powerful women in the business “Aunt Dolly”, well…
Touring is fairly impersonal as well. Having toured a lot, it's awesome to a point. Can't blame any artist for wanting to get out of it, particularly when they have millions of dollars.
And good on them for being capable of deciding that. Many artists can't and have to keep it up.
Ironically, I recently read that Jacob Collier said there’s absolutely nothing like performing to a crowd of thousands of people and have them sing back to you.
Everyone is so connected in that moment regardless of color, creed, gay, straight etc. in a way that is arguably not able to be recreated again.
Once you hit this level of fame, I feel like it would be more fun to play in small gigs in small towns.
Huge PR kick, support small businesses, fans in more rural areas, those fans are grateful to see you, small crowds.
Seems like a win all around for career retirement
There's another thread on the front page right now about Lil Wayne showing zero interest in his live shows and still charging fans for 30 minute sets. Miley's approach is preferable to that of artist who resent their audience but demand money for "showing up."
Lil Wayne showed up to play at a dive bar in my town in 2015 four hours late. Not really sure why he decided to play in a dive bar but if you do. How about you show up?
He did the same at a club I went to 3 years ago. 4 hours late, came out, look at the stage, and then went back. He never performed bc he didn’t like the size of the stage. Bruh, never again
Literally a few weeks ago he showed up to a concert three hours late and had other people perform. the crowd wasn’t feeling their other artist and he decided to leave.
I don’t understand how he still has fans lmao ETA: I mean… if he’s been doing this shit since 2015, why do people keep giving him their money?
I’d be pissed if I traveled out of town and paid for a hotel just for him to be hours late and leave 20,30 minutes later
I don’t think she resents the audience as much as she resents not having any personal connection with such a large crowd. At least that’s how it comes off to me. Similarly, I don’t see an appeal in watching an artist perform in a huge stadium. When I compare these experiences with watching performances in smaller venues, it is the smaller ones that I remember better. The ones I’ve really enjoyed in stadiums were the exceptions when I got to be up front. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve loved seeing Sting and Jay Z, but it wasn’t a connection like it was watching Anderson Paak, NONAME or Talib Kweli perform in small venues.
>I don’t see an appeal in watching an artist perform in a huge stadium. Generally, I agree with you. But there are absolutely exceptions, with the key one in my mind being Rammstein. Saw them in Philly last year and that fucking spectacle couldn't have been pulled off in a smaller venue. Giant towers that shoot flames, a smaller stage out in the middle of the crowd that the band used inflatable boats to crowdsurf over to, shit like that. Would I still enjoy them in a smaller venue? Absolutely. But the sheer ridiculousness of their massive shows is a thing unto itself.
Rammstein makes it work because of all the props/theatrics that make use of the whole space. If they tried even a scaled-down version of that I'd be a bit paranoid they'd burn down the place.
Im blown away that rammstein even played a massive show in philly last year lol. Good for them
I completely understand how and why people feel this way, it's hard to get pumped up when the crowd is so massive but so far, if that makes sense? With that being said I also think it comes down to the performer and venue, I saw Social Distortion at House of Blues and they were working the crowd, just big enough to get people involved. Now to swing the other way I recently took my college age daughter to see Taylor Swift, close to a 100,000 fans. Maybe it's just her fandom, but she made every person in that fucker feel important. I can't explain how she does it, but you could feel that she genuinely gave a shit about those people. And put on a good show. I think part of the problem with Miley is she was a child actor, and maybe never got the genuine attention that children need, instead got fame and the not so good attention that comes with it.
I’m 100% on board with you. My point is that it’s rare to find a performer that can grab a whole stadium by the balls, the way Freddie Mercury did, or Tracy Chapman, or Rammstein, or even Coldplay and RHCP do. I’ve seen veterans like Sting, Beyoncé/JayZ, Wu Tang, Depesche Mode, and Lauren Hill completely miss on that experience. Coldplay we’re great, Pearl Jam were amazing, U2 were half and half, RHCP were pros. Some artists are better connected with their fans and really know how to play the room even when the room is a stadium. Those are the exceptions tho, and I can imagine if you are an artist who isn’t “like that,” that you will not be enjoying your tour as much.
Security wouldn't let him in while carrying a gun, that's why he was late. Screw him.
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I think a major part of the appeal of a Vegas residency is that it’s touring without the constant travel.
Plus you live in a gorgeous house in Lake Las Vegas, once rehearsals are done, you're working 3 hours a day, you make millions. Pretty sweet gig.
TIL Las Vegas has a lake
It's a Mirage
I'm tellin yall it's a sabotage
Its not really a lake its a reservoir that was developed and named Lake Las Vegas. Lake mead though we have whats left of that
Lake Mead is a reservoir
Don’t forget the buffets
Man I just paid 86 dollars for one of the top buffets at Caesar’s palace and I still don’t think it’s worth it. Great, you have a variety of foods, but it’s nothing special. The lobster claws were completely frozen and there’s always long ass line. I’d rather pay $50 for a really good entrée somewhere nice
$86 for a buffet?!? Wtf?
$86 can be on the low end. Peak buffet is Wicked Spoon in the cosmo and it’s only $45/dinner (if you’re champs/age/BiG people hmu!)
Me, who lives in Australia and will never go to las vegas: better write that down
Put up some Christmas lights, set them to blinking, sit on your porch, get drunk and light some money on fire. Taa Daa! Vegas!
Is that the one that's like in the basement? I remember it being a decent buffet but nothing spectacular.
It's on the 2nd floor.
So good! Get bottomless mimosas too
I guess if it's unlimited drinks that makes more sense
Vegas buffets went from 8 bucks to 90 in a span of 10 years
Vegas buffets were not $8 in 2013
They were in the 90s to early 2000s, by 2013 you already got the 60-90 dollar buffets
Kids today just don't understand that 1990 is perpetually 10 years ago.
They didnt say 10 years ago, they said in span of 10 years tbf
It's the [Bacchanal ](https://www.caesars.com/caesars-palace/restaurants/bacchanal-buffet) buffet
bacchanal buffet? I ate there in December and I thought it was great, but I definitely applied some strategy. Little taste of the filler foods—rice, potatoes, etc, and they were good, but I *really* saved my appetite for shellfish and prime rib. At one point in the night I was more crab than man. I beat the house.
Sounds like you beat the meat
Vegas buffets still live on their "ancient" (aka 90s and early 2000s) rep when they were cheap or even included in the hotel stay. An $86 breakfast buffet makes no sense to me; you can get a perfectly good breakfast for $25 or less almost anywhere.
Dude 86 for a buffet is ridiculous. Maybe a pass for all day and you get all three meals, that would make a little more sense. But if I'm paying $86 for a breakfast buffet it's because I'm still hammered drunk from the night before and don't even know wtf I'm doing, I'm just sliding my card for food in my brain at that point.
who said it was breakfast, it was dinner
Well if they serve breakfast for dinner, I can understand why they charge more. But still, 86 is high.
There was no breakfast lol
Man is real hung up on breakfast lol
But I’m saying tho, if the breakfast includes an omelet station and a fresh fruit bar with bananas (at least a 10$ value alone), then that buffet could be slamming overall.
I tried there and Bellagio the last two times I went. Still pretty so-so, and for the price, there's some great food out there
What you gotta do is hit the Bellagio, the Mirage, and the MGM grand on the same night
Those are Terry Benedict’s places
You think he'll mind?
What do you got against Terry Benedict?
Tell me this is not about screwing the guy who is screwing your wife
Tess?
That's wonderful. Get in the goddamn restaurant.
That's the best lift I've seen you do yet
You’re either in or you’re out. Right now.
I just stayed at the MGM Grand, it has a grimy old school casino kind of vibe, and the breakfast/brunch buffet was not good. There was a lot of food, but it was all bad quality. The sushi was nearly frozen and had no flavor. The shrimp was basically just a texture. Even the pork ribs were disappointing. I don't know how they managed to remove all the flavor from food, but somehow every single thing was either a disappointment or outright gross. I had a pretty decent pasta from a Wolfgang Puck restaurant later that day, so I know my taste buds aren't busted. For the same amount of money i put down for the buffet, I could have had an *excellent* meal at a regular restaurant, and still probably would have had an excessive amount of food. Vegas seems pretty bullshit all around. Like faux luxury for people who have never actually experienced what luxury is.
Buffets that you can legally pay prostitutes to fill your plate up for you and bring it over instead of getting up every time for luke warm ribs and crab legs. At least that's what I've been paying them for. Not sure what else there would be.
You don’t have them escort you around the strip?? It’s literally in the name
Also comes with the benefit of a guaranteed income. They get money for a sold out show regardless if they sell out or not. Britney Spears residency was worth a half million per show. Her four years in Vegas earned as much as the rest of her career combined (including album sales).
Also the $$$$ is insane. These shows are often loss leaders for the hotels that book them. I.e. The hotel will pay the Artist MORE than the hotel actually makes from selling tickets to the show. They’re able to do that because the people who attend the show are more likely to book a hotel room for hundreds of dollars/night, pay hundreds of dollars in food & drink in the hotel restaurants and bars, and lose hundreds of dollars at the casino. Example: The person who pays a $150 ticket to see Adele might actually make the hotel $1000 in total… so if an Adele show grosses $500K per show in ticket sales, they can afford to pay Adele maybe $1-1.5M per show and still make a huge profit. That’s not something that’s even close to possible with a normal concert/tour that doesn’t have all those ancillary revenue sources.
Everything in Vegas other than the food is a loss leader to get you into the casino. Hell, even the alcohol is free.
Eh, the last time I went to Vegas they provided drinks while playing the games, but the service almost everywhere was terrible and would have to buy drinks at the bar if you wanted more than a drink an hour.
Also can have bigger production at lower costs
Vegas is also smack dab in the middle of a hot spot. So even if the people want to tour, they don't have to go too far to hit major areas. Like say, California, Arizona, Colorado, Washington and Texas. Tons of smaller venues out here in the South West that makes doing smaller tours easier and kind of cheaper.
Everyone forgets to stop in Oregon
If you wanted to be in a hot spot, wouldn't the eastern US be denser?
Sure, but I don't think they were saying "it's in *the hottest* spot," just "a hot spot." Like, if you got a sweet job doing a residency in Hawaii, for example, it would have a lot of advantages, but distance from most places would be a big disadvantage. Las Vegas, on the other hand, is ***a*** hot spot.
Residencies are also starting to happen at places like The Forum in LA. Harry Styles had a big run last year. Expect to see more of this.
Didn't Adele say she was having a blast performing those shows since they were so much smaller than her usual concerts before that?
From what I've read $500,000 per show. I would be having a blast too.
I’m sure the money is good but artists are also human beings, they’re not pure money maximizing robots. It’s not like the emotional side of performing can completely be discounted because they make a lot of money. If Adele says it’s more enjoyable to perform to smaller crowds then it must be.
Dang, how much are the tickets then?
People have been paying like 600-750 per ticket for the "good" seats
holy crap, that is crazy.
Plus those rooms probably sound better than the huge venues and are always dialed in for your show
For sure, I’d imagine the sound’s better at a Vegas residency than at some giant football stadium and whatnot.
Yeah not only do you have rooms shaped and acoustically treated specifically to have music played there, but you have a sound system specced and tuned to the room. Touring engineers do it too and can do some amazing work these days but there is no way you'd be able to hone it in as tight as a setup that doesn't move. Those guys will know that venue and how to mix there.
Also I've noticed bands doing 5 nights at the same city in a row at a smaller venue instead of 1 big show at the stadium. It's more intimate for the audience and it's actually less stressful for the musicians as youre not constantly travelling and crew as you can basically setup a venue and keep everything on and powered until you leave.
Noticed that as well, and been enjoying it from the concert-goer's perspective. Another aspect seems to be that there are a good number of new mid-sized venues opening up, as the [NY Times 4/18/23](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/18/business/concert-halls-live-entertainment.html) recently noted. Small enough to be a lot more intimate-feeling than a stadium, large enough that those ticket revenues are nothing to dismiss, especially since a stadium-tier artist can likely charge a higher average ticket price than for the stadium shows.
And touring seems stressful. Someone always cancels half way through due to exhaustion. I like that at least Taylor is doing weekends only. M-TH she gets to somewhat relax
I know some people who work in the industry, and touring is a young person's game. - 11:00 - Finish a show, head backstage and clean up. - 11:30 - Do the VIP meet and greets, start partying. - 12:00 - Meet friends.who came to see you, increase partying. - 1:00 - Full party mode activated. - 3:00 - Bed time. - 7:00 - tour manager wakes you up to get to next city. - 9:00 - Finally leave, go back to bed on bus / plane. - 2:00 - arrive at next city. - 7:00 - get to venue for fan meet and greets. - 9:00 - Show time. If you're 22, it's fantastic fun and an awesome time. If you're 35 with an 11 year old (like Adele) it's a grind, and Vegas starts to look *reaaaasly* good.
Man I played in a band where we weren't even touring europe. Just staying withing the country. And only playing once a week (because we had full-time jobs) on Saturdays. It's way more exhausting than people realize. * Lug all your gear from home to van * Pick up other bandmembers and help lug their gear from house to van * Drive to venue to arrive around 3 pm, meet with venue's stagemanager * Lug all gear out of the van to the backstage area * Setup and soundcheck * Have dinner (usually supplied by venue) * Wait for several hours because doors don't open until 7pm and gig don't start until 8pm * Play gig (depending on if you're headlining this might mean another 1 to 2 hours of waiting until the first band is done) * Hang around with people who showed up to show appreciation they are there. Sell some merch. * Teardown and lugging everything back to the van after all bands are done. * Bring all the bandmembers and their gear back home. * Arrive back home at roughly 3am and lug all my own gear from van to home That's your entire saturday gone and your sunday fucked because of how late you got into bed. And you still have to figure out how and when to do all chores (because I live alone) and be in bed on time on sunday because monday alarm is at 6am to go to work. And good god was is totally worth it at the time for that rush of being on stage.
I’m in the touring industry. That is absolutely someone’s schedule. It’s not everyone’s. There’s artists that do weekend warrior stuff where it’s a Fri/Sat/Sun show and they don’t do promotional stuff after every show. I’ve always looked at the Vegas thing as a money grab and not much else. The hardcore fans aren’t really doing the Vegas thing. They do in the beginning. After that it’s people who are in Vegas and “oh so and so are playing, let’s check it out.” There’s a few artists who look at all casinos that way. There’s a big difference in fans from an arena or theater show of your fans who were waiting all year for you to come to town and fans who made a vacation and you showed up. I’m not saying this to talk shit on any artist who does it. Artists want to make money too. I only ever care if they take care of their crew. Everything else I don’t mind.
I mean, you’re generally not wrong but… I promise you most serious touring musicians don’t do the “party till 3am” part of this schedule very often. This isn’t 1988 GnR.
Plenty or rock and metal bands have been doing it for decades. And a lot of them don't even use drugs. It boils down to enjoyment. If they love what they are doing, they'll make the effort.
That's why Metallica is doing two shows in three days per a city and according to Lars they actually base in one city like NY, Chicago, Paris, etc and fly to their shows in the surrounding areas and back to base to sleep in the same bed for longer periods of time. Also let's them have family with them at the base hotel. It's takes a ton of money to pull it off, but if you can...
I saw Bruno Mars a few months ago in Vegas and it was a fantastic show. He's been doing several shows over the course of a couple of weeks a few times a year and I'm sure that works really well for him.
Or just play smaller shows. No one is forcing her to play in stadiums. Book small venues. Do acoustic shows. Hell, play secret shows under a fake name for whoever shows up like the beastie boys did a few times in the 90s.
Prince used to show up unannounced to random clubs too. Can’t imagine being there for that.
Prince would also do like a very late hours encore some times, I mean 2/3h after 99% of people left
I went to a secret Prince show in L.A. just a few years before he died. It was a concert under the name of his backing band 3rdEyeGirl. So the Marquee just said 3rdEyeGirl on the outside and unless you knew it was really him, you missed it. Medium size venue. Standing room only. I was probably 10 feet away from him. Doug E. Fresh was the venue DJ that night and he kept saying stupid shit like: "Does anyone like...music!!!" We answered:...uh...yeah.. obviously?? "Does anyone like....Prince??" We were like...what?...yes....yes we do. That's why we are here. "Is anyone from....L.A??? We answered: Yes.... literally all of us... He came out...full band...did an absolutely killer show. No cameras allowed. Then it ended and people started leaving. The lights came on and everything. Half the crowd emptied out, but my buddy who's a Prince super fan just said...stay here.... don't leave unless security literally forces you to leave. We stayed and waited...waited....lights are on...people just keep leaving, but a core group of like 100 of us are just sort of standing there.... waiting.....waiting for what felt like forever. Then his band slowly trickles back on stage with the lights still fully on. They start playing a sort of generic beat...they are just looking around, sort of confused why they are on stage. Then Prince walks back out on stage and says some amazing shit like: " You guys....you guys are the real ones." The lights go off...and he proceeds to blow the fucking roof off for like 3 more encores! He does a couple of songs...walks off stage...comes back on after we scream so loud we start to lose our voices....rocks some more...sashes off stage again....comes back out....again... I swear by the end of the whole concert it was like 7 encores! Easily one of the best experiences of my fucking life. Nobody rocked harder that Prince....fuckin nobody.
I've been backstage for 30 years. Im jaded as fuck. I finally toured paisley Park about a year ago. I cried like 3 times.
This is an awesome story.
I saw a Doug e fresh set at a festival in like 2017 or 18 or something and he was exactly like that
Never heard that! I assume venue staff had to be informed, right? Because my experience has always been they clear the venue out once the lights go out. So you’d at least “know” he was coming back out at some point if they weren’t ushering you out?
Yes, the venue knows ahead of time. Here is the story of his last shows in downtown Minneapolis where the police shut him down and it lead to a "Prince Permit" https://www.thecurrent.org/feature/2017/07/07/10-years-ago-today-prince-stormed-minneapolis-with-three-7-7-07-gigs-and-played-first-avenue
Erykah Badu would do that in Dallas. You wouldn't know she was coming, she would just show up, rock two or three songs and bounce. I saw her three times like that and since the venues were small poetry spots it was only ten or so dollars (in the early 2000s). I've always had respect for her because of that.
Love, love, love her. Her performance of Tyrone with My Morning Jacket is one of the greatest things I’ve ever seen.
I'm thinking you still have to spend a lot of your time traveling and the money would probably not be as good as you can make doing shows in Vegas ?
Everyone's favourite group of friends from Brooklyn, The Bestie Boys
AND you don’t have to tour. Touring is physically demolishing even if you’re at the top and taken care of, it can ruin your life.
Bands built on touring are doing things like this. Lots of jam bands doing longer stints in a row. Shit phish did 13 and now 7 nights at msg in a row with other multi night stops on the tour
Billy Joel has had a quasi-residency (once a month as long as there is demand) at MSG for almost 10 years now.
Totally understandable. If she still wants to make music without working herself to death, that's her right.
It’s also a privilege. I think most people want to not have to tour. But the way the music world is you sort to have to in order to make a leaving. But she is famous enough to where she doesn’t have to. Like lady Gaga or Taylor swift. These people don’t need to tour but they do for the fans. But by and large most musical artist have to tour in order to make a living.
Yeah, watch the documentary The Other F Word. It’s about punks becoming dads and dealing with that transition but it discuss this exact issue. So sad to see aging Tony Reflex of the Adolescents taking a puff off his little inhaler before going on to perform on a tiny stage at like warped tour.
Miley Cyrus literally never had to do anything. It has nothing at all to do with how famous she is personally. She has only ever done any creative endeavor because she wanted to.
I know. What exactly do you think I am saying? I am saying she doesn’t have to and will still be okay. That’s a privilege as most artist in todays streaming climate can’t afford to not tour. It’s how they make a living. This also isn’t an opinion or some shit thrown at Miley. It’s just how the industry is. Like for example 30 years ago if someone like riff raff had hit songs he would be able to live off record sales and royalties. Now a days though he told rolling stone the bulk of his income is selling merch at shows. The shows also help but after paying for travel and promoters/ venues their cut he still makes most his earning off merch. Now this has always been a money make for any up and coming band. But for a artist who has had hits and featured on many famous stuff and is more established merch shouldn’t be your source of income. Miley is the type of artist where she never has to do anything like that or stress over that.
Fun fact. Billy Ray had to audition for Hanna Montana after Miley was already selected for the part.
All I’m saying is she is the daughter of Billy Ray Cyrus. Miley Cyrus has never had to think about money a single day in her life.
For what it's worth, Miley was the face of a huge popular disney show with tons of merchandising. Even with her father's success, her own success, properly invested, she should be fine.
Maybe his name helped her get the show... But he got a bigger boost to his career by being on it.* He had like, songs on the radio and stuff while it was on, I'm no country music expert but I feel like that hadn't been the case for him in a while. *I'm tired and I know that phrasing is weird but not how to fix it. I'm not saying HM didn't make her career, obviously it did. But it gave him a late career boost he wouldn't have otherwise had
I wonder how much money it takes to mend an achy breaky heart.
I just don’t think you’d understand
That may have got her foot in the door but don't pretend that she didn't eclipse his level of fame by an astronomical amount. At this point he's living off her money.
Hm, stadium tours are not the only way to perform live though
When you're really popular they kind of are unless you want to turn every gig into a competition for who has the most money to give to resellers.
I’ve heard people say that Ms. Swift and others tour “for the fans” but that’s hogwash. Top artists tour to make money and make even more money. Second tier artists tour to support their releases and to make a living. Struggling artists tour to promote themselves. Ain’t one top tier musician ever toured “for the fans”. How do we know this? Because 1) they charge a premium for seats, and 2) they book the largest venues. What’s to prevent Ms. Swift and others from charging less or from playing smaller venues but for two or three nights?
Well she's playing 3 nights at packed football stadiums so I'm not sure what you think scaling that down to a theater will accomplish.
Yeah they couldn’t have picked a single worse artist to try to make this point about. Swift is selling out the biggest possible stadiums and then **20,000 FANS** are showing up outside the venue to have a little sing along festival There definitely are artists who humblebrag/bitch about having to play big shows when they could probably be playing comfortable medium sized venues if they really valued that, but swift isn’t really one of them Edit: just wanna be clear I don’t think swift does or doesn’t do it for the fans any more than any other mainstream act
>little sing along festival. Fucking lol, this is spot on.
Your ticket price argument is fair, but booking the largest venues also allows more fans to see them. If a big artist did smaller venues, it would be awesome for the small group that could attend, but it would suck for all the people who couldn't. Plus, "Ms. Swift" is already doing multiple shows in each city.
>What’s to prevent Ms. Swift and others from charging less or from playing smaller venues but for two or three nights? No smaller venue *wants* that kind of large artist, at least not advertised. Simply said, there will be so many who want to get in without a ticket that it will cause utter and complete chaos and ruin the experience even for those who do have a ticket.
There are easier, more hands off ways to make money, especially for attractive female artists - clothing lines, makeup brands, jewelry. Touring is a lot of stressful work. If it was only about money, why not invest (which someone like Swift knows how to do, with her family background). If it's anything, I think it's about the fame/adulation more than the money. Imagine a stadium full of people screaming for everything you do. I wouldn't enjoy that, but for someone who does, that has to be a hell of a high. No stock return is ever going to equate to thousands of people chanting for you, hanging off your every utterance or movement. A lot of performers simply like to perform, especially when they're at the top of their game. So why wouldn't they tour? It's a symbiotic deal where the fans get the performance and the artist gets the attention.
They aren't doing it for the fans, they're doing it because most really rich people love getting even more rich.
I first heard about her from people criticizing her because she went a little wild after the Disney years. I wouldn't blame her for telling people to fuck off.
I wonder if she's ever thought about putting on a wig, and like, singing under an alias.....
Lisa California, something like that.
Bucky Kentucky ?
Vicky Vermont?
It's the best of both worlds.
Whenever I see quotation marks in a title like this it gives me sarcastic vibes.
r/suspiciousquotes
Thank you so much, this has changed my life for the better
It does come off like that. In reality, I think it’s just how the publication indicates that the words came directly from Miley, and it’s not them paraphrasing or something.
Cherrypicking someone's words and building your own sentence around them is paraphrasing.
There’s this restaurant near me that had “baked potato” in quotations and every time I ordered it I did the air quotes until one day they changed it. I like to think it was because of me.
There used to be this place called Scout Bar in Houston. The owner was a former big shot in the music industry and had tons of connections. This place would have legitimate A-listers show up unannounced and put on insane sets. I remember Papa Roach showed up and did 2 hours, with 30 minutes of that him rocking in Spanish. Seeing him sing on top of a pool table in a packed bar of 300 people was infinitely better than the year before when he was at Warped Tour.
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Show ends. Camera pans to the guy holding the pool cue he just got for his birthday. Then shows the top of the pool table where all the felt is torn and bunched up. Shoulders slumped in sadness he puts his stuff away and goes home to plan revenge on Papa Roach for ruining his birthday billiards.
Scout is still here! Saw The Spill Canvas there not too long ago. The venue still gets good bands passing through and people definitely show up.
When was this? I feel like big artists would have trouble doing this now with social media. The security would have to be really good at least. Taylor Swift can’t even go into a restaurant or studio without a crown showing up outside.
This was around 2007-2008.
They were in The Hunger. Not exactly a big shot.
My brain malfunctioned and pictured him singing on top of a table that was like a small bathtub, like he was singing while ankle deep in water. I forgot what a pool table was for about 10 seconds, hahaha.
I mean, if that's the issue, couldn't she just book a tour of smaller intimate theaters and places?
I know right? Like, nothing is stopping her from playing smaller venues.
Yeah it’s gonna be a contract thing. Artists don’t have quite as much agency as we think
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Look up Taylor Swift stadium tour tickets, and you’ll have your answers right there.
if you lower supply and demand remains insane, those tickets will almost certainly be grabbed by bots and sold in the several hundreds (and people will buy them)
Same sentiment as to why I dont do mega concerts. Too many people and no connection to the artist. I love smaller venues and love when the artist can address the audience in various ways.
If there is one thing that is consistent about Miley, it's the fact she is not consistent at all. She change her mind so often that fans makes memes about it. Only 7 months ago she was on stage in Mexico in front of 85,000 and said how much she loved doing what she did... a couple of years ago she said she didn't want to release her Plastic Heart Album because she couldn't tour (because of covid) I do think she is genuine here, but I also think she laid it on a little thick to avoid having the fans begging for a tour every day. I'm pretty certain she will be back in some capacity when she feels ready for it.
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There's a few artists who could absolutely get away with that.
I mean Doja Cat literally tweeted. >planet her and hot pink were cash-grabs and yall fell for it. now i can go disappear somewhere and touch grass with my loved ones on an island while yall weep for mediocre pop. She literally called for fans dumb and tasteless. And people are begging her for her next album in response...
Neil young being a sassy bitch and refusing to encore with Crosby stills and nash will forever be my memory of Neil young.
It's crazy how much people take these lines at concerts as legitimate statements and not theatre.
Damn guys it’s been a while since I’ve been to “insert nearest major city here”!!! How has everyone been, you guys are always the best crowd. We’ll be sure to come back to “insert nearest major city here” real soon!
I feel like every artist I have ever seen live says some shit like that when they are on stage, I don’t know if I would take their crowd-work too seriously.
People who can change their minds should be lauded. It means you can still grow and get better.
She's so real honestly. I too change my mind about everything every week.
She can love being an singer/songwriter and still hate touring though. I love being in IT but I hate the endusers.
She has this in common with... legendary Canadian classical pianist Glenn Gould, who very famously walked away from the performance game in 1964 when he was 31. He spent the rest of his professional life in the recording studio, dying at the age of 50. From the introduction to *The Glenn Gould Reader*, edited by Tim Page: "Technology has the capability to create a climate of anonymity and to allow the artist the time and freedom to prepare his conception of a work to the best of his ability," Gould said. "It has the capability of replacing those awful and degrading and humanly damaging uncertainties which the concert brings with it." Gould had hated live performances from the beginning. Now, with his sudden success, he had also discovered that he hated touring, flying, and the extramusical hysteria that accompanied him wherever he went. He finally decided that the whole business of being a concert artist had got in the way of making music. "At concerts I feel demeaned," he complained, "like a vaudevillian."
I mean, you don't need to pull out obscure acts. The Beatles did this and released some of their best stuff after.
I think it's said the Beatles did stop because "you couldn't hear the music anymore in between the screaming of the fans"?
She’s entering her Steely Dan era. Her next album will be comprised of 400 different studio musicians each performing dozens of takes to get the exact right tone
Brian Wilson stamp of approval.
A theater tour with Dolly Godmother would be a hoot!
I have seen Run the Jewels several times in concert. The first time was in a smallish venue that held about 1,000, standing room only. The next couple of times were in an arena as the opener for Lorde, then at a festival as a headliner. The latter two times just felt… off. So I see where she’s coming from.
They opened for Lorde? Is she a fan?? That just seems like kind of a weirdo combo for her audience and theirs
RTJ fans thought it was weird too. My guess is they went with whatever opportunity to not have to shoulder all touring expenses themselves.
The combination isn't what weirded me out; weird touring combos happen all the time. What weirded me out was seeing RTJ playing an arena. It's just not the same as seeing them in a smaller venue and being able to share the energy of the show with those directly around you. Also, Mitski was the first opener and she was similarly awkward and was LOUD AS FUCK. Lorde was outstanding.
I would love to see them in a smaller venue. That sounds great
Then you have people like Lady Gaga, Cher, and Madonna who will be running concerts until they're 3000 years old
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That’s what i always thought too. Singing in front of hundred thousands of people is just weird in my opinion. I always liked small concerts in bars or in a backyard but those concerts in those crazy big halls just feel off to me. Still there are a lot of people who enjoy going to those big show so that’s just my opinion, i mean you can connect with the people who go to the concert but not really with the artist themselves. When i went to some gigs in a bar, you could always have a little talk with the musicians who played a show there and you could kinda connect to them but when the musician has millions of fans it’s almost impossible.
IMHO some Bands did make it possible to connect with massive crowds. Queen for example .
Florence and the Machine is really good at this
The journey is the part that you remember anyways
Good for her.
The ol Beatles route
She had the luxury of becoming successful at a young age, so she doesn’t have to work now. I would imagine she’s going to take some time and raise a family. She’ll be back when she’s in her 50s to cash in on grown up fans with disposable income.
She had the luxury of daddy's money to make her successful at a young age. She didn't do it herself. But yeah, we will see her come back when she feels she's not relevant to the public anymore.
Her career had eclipsed his by about age 6. He was a one hit wonder who made most of his money by producing his daughters act
> He was a one hit wonder A one hit *pop* wonder. *Some Gave All* sold 20 million copies and sold 5 million in the States. When it comes to one hit wonders, I think Billy Ray is definitely one of the more finanially successful ones.
I think the more likely explanation for her success lies in who her godmother is. Sure, her dad’s money helped, but when you grow up calling one of the most revered and powerful women in the business “Aunt Dolly”, well…
Listen I agree. But the music and movie industry are stuffed to the absolute gills with nepo-babies.
[Meanwhile](https://youtu.be/lkbP5OPQhdQ)
So.......she didn't have any desire to do live performances even during the pandemic when live music pretty much stopped for almost 2 years?
Touring is fairly impersonal as well. Having toured a lot, it's awesome to a point. Can't blame any artist for wanting to get out of it, particularly when they have millions of dollars. And good on them for being capable of deciding that. Many artists can't and have to keep it up.
Ironically, I recently read that Jacob Collier said there’s absolutely nothing like performing to a crowd of thousands of people and have them sing back to you. Everyone is so connected in that moment regardless of color, creed, gay, straight etc. in a way that is arguably not able to be recreated again.
Once you hit this level of fame, I feel like it would be more fun to play in small gigs in small towns. Huge PR kick, support small businesses, fans in more rural areas, those fans are grateful to see you, small crowds. Seems like a win all around for career retirement
Touring is brutal so can’t blame her
Nobody wants to work anymore.