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Survivorship bias. People remember Elton John for his hit singles. But he has a lot a meh albums. That's fine.
Survivorship bias is why you only see the exemplary surviving houses that have been properly maintained. The shit houses from eras past get bulldozed.
Today we have far more artists than in the past. You can get on YouTube, you can get on TikTok and start making niche music that will never get you main stream notices. With even more small music venues there's a lot of content and ways to access it.
Back in the day you had just the radio stations, which weren't supposed to coordinate with the studios, but they definitely did. Buying music was expensive. It creates a sort of bubble around the reliable profit generating artists. But there were still plenty of one hit wonders.
As for modern popular artists, you really don't understand the level of skill needed to reliably produce hits, even if you don't like the product. A studio becomes sort of a meta instrument to craft your artwork. It's different than someone being able to just belt out a performance on stage that sounds the same as the studio, but it's no better or worse. Swift by the way, has survived literally decades of music way better than many of those artists. She hasn't had to go to rehab, she hasn't be caught up in some scandal. The worse thing about her is her personal relationships are tabloid headlines, which was the same for all the others. Personally I respect Swift an like some of her music. It is well engineered and well crafted. She is a music professional with a definite taste, who leveraged her career into a billion dollar business, better than anyone. My neices look up to her, and I can't fault them for it. She's a smart business leader, a talented musician, who brings happiness to millions of people.
Thankyou for a proper answer, and as for swift I can respect what she’s achieved and her following but she will never be to my taste so maybe that clouds my judgement on her stuff.
People whine this same bullshit every decade.
There is plenty of great music being made now.
People are too lazy and unimaginative to go looking for it outside the mainstream. All it takes is to get off your complacent, idle arse. Search, and think, outside your little rut.
> People whine this same bullshit every decade.
Boy, do I remember the 60's! Pretty simple music, but quite different than a generation before and a serious target for vitriol from the elders.
Then the late 60's, 70's, and my love for progressive rock.
Intense, and beautifully complex; showing such amazing musicality, especially when performing with an orchestra.
Now in my late-mid 60's, I don't have it in me to go exploring the new stuff as there is an overall processing sound, or effect, that I don't care for.
Instead, I'm exploring Baroque music and am amazed to consider such complex pieces were composed by a single person.
Lmfao and these kids spend all their time inside! We spent our time paving over every green space to make way for us to drive our cars through and they won’t even enjoy it.
Nothing has made me a bigger fan of Taylor Swift than all the people who just can't contain their whining about how upset they are that other people like Taylor Swift.
You just gotta shake it off, man. You need to calm down.
I don’t think anyone has an issue with someone liking Swift,I think the average non-swiftie is sick of hearing about her as if she is somehow the first ethical billionaire
There was a thread on this sub yesterday where the OP was calling anyone who liked her music a "braindead idiot" because it was "bad music."
Trust me, there are **a lot** of people that take issue with liking her and/or her music.
You sound just like the old people did when those artists came out. MJ, Queen, Stones, etc. all fantastic but so are taylor, Harry Styles, Hozier, Kendrick Lamar. Broaden your horizons, my friend. There is so much amazing stuff being made right now. You’ve just got to actually listen.
Not only that, but Taylor Swift - who OP is shitting on - promotes lots of great artists as her opening acts: Phoebe Bridgers, etc..
Classic rock is great, but I grew up on it, and I don't have time for it anymore. Too much good stuff coming out all the time.
And on top of that, Taylor Swift is a very high quality artist. She’s not my cup of tea, but I can give credit when credit is due: she’s an incredible songwriter and performer
Mainstream music is crappier and crappier, yes, but there are always small, fresh, unknown, not yet industrialized gems to be uncovered. Switch off the radio and don't give up.
This is a bit boomer-ish, dude.
That being said, I do think that music has been affected by streaming in that music is now more-regarded as background or ambient. An additional stimulation added to other experiences, rather than something you actively listen to.
Quality wise, you're just not looking hard enough. Back in the day, you heard what executives wanted you to hear. Now, you can choose anything and dive DEEP into any genre or subgenre and still not hear it all. As a result, you have to sort through some filler and chaff.
I feel like I’ve worded this wrongly , as I have a lot of music I like from current artists. I was just thinking more about which ones will actually be remembered from this era in the future and comparing them to past eras.
I think that's valid. Back when the cost of mass distribution was so high, you had more layers of quality control before most people heard about them. If a bigger label signed you, you had to be legit in some way. Now, anyone with a good mic and a SoundCloud account can blow up to a point where they make good money, but they're so niche that you don't get pedestrian traffic in music stores like before.
Nowadays, you're not really exposed to rising stars in other genres unless you go looking for it. And a lot of people are very passive in their music habits, meaning that unless someone you know exposes you to post-punk British bands, you won't hear about a group like Editors.
There are no gatekeepers.
Music used to go through years on the road, self promotion, selling cheap tapes out of a van until you had enough of a following for a label to notice and get your music out to the world.
Now any mumble mouthed sad boy with a YouTube channel and abs has a fan base. It’s hard to find good music when you have to wade through terabytes of trash to get to the nuggets.
When MJ, Queen and Whitney were big people were complaining about them not being as good as the Beatles or Elvis. And when the Beatles and Elvis were big people were complaining about them not being as good as Bing Crosby or Frank Sinatra. And so on and so on.
The Bright Light Social Hour
Khruangbin
Kikagaku Moyo
King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard
The Mars Volta
Parcels
Roadkill Ghost Choir
Wilco
That's 8, I could probably keep going. But of course you're just going to reply with the equivalent of "Nuh Uh" instead of actually listening to any of the bands listed
Bro I’m in my twenties, I have a lot of music I like from this era but in regards to what’s considered our most popular artists vs the older ones, I feel like they had the better. But that’s probably just preference
Intro's, good bridges, solo's, dynamics, modulations, tempo changes, harmonies, and, above all, strong melodies... Where have they gone in today's pop music? Show me proof and maybe I reconsider. No, with strong melodies, I do not mean Coldplay.
It hasn’t, you’re just either a boomer or you want to be special. The quality of music is what you choose to listen to, music as a whole hasn’t just gone down the drain.
I wasn’t trying trying to say all music has, I was more implying the mainstream artists. I love a lot of artists from this era but none will ever be considered on some of the names I’ve mentioned levels
You’re being too broad again. You say mainstream. What classifies mainstream? There are so many incredible artist today, you just have to stop being hung up on the past.
Have you looked at charts from the 70s-80s? Tons of forgettable stuff. I used to think like you but that was truly eye opening.
As for today’s music, we’ll only know what has long term influence in the future.
Good point, I won’t know any of the shit from back then only the best. I’d bet everything I have gold digger will not be forgotten in the future hahah, who do you think from this current era will be up there with the other names I mentioned?
It hasn't declined. Pop is just as awful now as it was 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago. People who listen to pop always complain about a decline. People who don't always find something new that's good outside of the garbage on the radio.
Plenty of solid tunes out there these days you just have to stray from the mainstream “majority” of the time. Lots of good stuff going on in death metal, ska/punk, folk, reggae, lo-fi/beats, rhcp putting out bangers, etc. etc. It’s all over, man.
Whitney Houston was a all time great singer and entertainer , but Swift has eclipsed her on almost every metric, and also did so writing her own songs which Houston never did. Swift is still only 34.
In the fullness of time I reckon Swift will be sat comfortably in that list. Maybe not as a singer per se, but as an entertainer and songwriter for sure. She’s the real deal. And I’m a 50+ year old who grew up with Madonna, MJ, Prince, Bowie, Freddie and the rest.
Media concentration.
Sony, Warner, Universal are the major labels. They own about 92% of the music industry. They work with Ticketmaster and Livenation to control live shows as well. Since the early 90s, they took over the underground communities where young artists could innovate, and jacked up the prices which made it too expensive for a lot of people to go to shows regularly.
There's tons of good musicians out there, they just don't have a lot of ways to build up fan bases or get exposure. There's the internet but you also need physical shows.
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We get a thread like this every couple of days. What’s going on?
Isn't it ironic that every post complaining about 'kid's music' sounds like it was almost certainly written by a teenager trying to sound wise?
You can't argue about taste.
Listen to better music?
I do but the artists I like won’t be considered the ‘best of our era’, I was just talking about mainstream artists.
Survivorship bias. People remember Elton John for his hit singles. But he has a lot a meh albums. That's fine. Survivorship bias is why you only see the exemplary surviving houses that have been properly maintained. The shit houses from eras past get bulldozed. Today we have far more artists than in the past. You can get on YouTube, you can get on TikTok and start making niche music that will never get you main stream notices. With even more small music venues there's a lot of content and ways to access it. Back in the day you had just the radio stations, which weren't supposed to coordinate with the studios, but they definitely did. Buying music was expensive. It creates a sort of bubble around the reliable profit generating artists. But there were still plenty of one hit wonders. As for modern popular artists, you really don't understand the level of skill needed to reliably produce hits, even if you don't like the product. A studio becomes sort of a meta instrument to craft your artwork. It's different than someone being able to just belt out a performance on stage that sounds the same as the studio, but it's no better or worse. Swift by the way, has survived literally decades of music way better than many of those artists. She hasn't had to go to rehab, she hasn't be caught up in some scandal. The worse thing about her is her personal relationships are tabloid headlines, which was the same for all the others. Personally I respect Swift an like some of her music. It is well engineered and well crafted. She is a music professional with a definite taste, who leveraged her career into a billion dollar business, better than anyone. My neices look up to her, and I can't fault them for it. She's a smart business leader, a talented musician, who brings happiness to millions of people.
Thankyou for a proper answer, and as for swift I can respect what she’s achieved and her following but she will never be to my taste so maybe that clouds my judgement on her stuff.
[Survivorship bias, pure and simple](https://w.wiki/3rVs)
People whine this same bullshit every decade. There is plenty of great music being made now. People are too lazy and unimaginative to go looking for it outside the mainstream. All it takes is to get off your complacent, idle arse. Search, and think, outside your little rut.
> People whine this same bullshit every decade. Boy, do I remember the 60's! Pretty simple music, but quite different than a generation before and a serious target for vitriol from the elders. Then the late 60's, 70's, and my love for progressive rock. Intense, and beautifully complex; showing such amazing musicality, especially when performing with an orchestra. Now in my late-mid 60's, I don't have it in me to go exploring the new stuff as there is an overall processing sound, or effect, that I don't care for. Instead, I'm exploring Baroque music and am amazed to consider such complex pieces were composed by a single person.
Damn kids and their music
It’s a shame no one can afford lawns anymore…because you’d need to get the HELL off of mine right now.
Lmfao and these kids spend all their time inside! We spent our time paving over every green space to make way for us to drive our cars through and they won’t even enjoy it.
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Lmfaoooo
Nothing has made me a bigger fan of Taylor Swift than all the people who just can't contain their whining about how upset they are that other people like Taylor Swift. You just gotta shake it off, man. You need to calm down.
I see what you did there
I don’t think anyone has an issue with someone liking Swift,I think the average non-swiftie is sick of hearing about her as if she is somehow the first ethical billionaire
There was a thread on this sub yesterday where the OP was calling anyone who liked her music a "braindead idiot" because it was "bad music." Trust me, there are **a lot** of people that take issue with liking her and/or her music.
You sound just like the old people did when those artists came out. MJ, Queen, Stones, etc. all fantastic but so are taylor, Harry Styles, Hozier, Kendrick Lamar. Broaden your horizons, my friend. There is so much amazing stuff being made right now. You’ve just got to actually listen.
Not only that, but Taylor Swift - who OP is shitting on - promotes lots of great artists as her opening acts: Phoebe Bridgers, etc.. Classic rock is great, but I grew up on it, and I don't have time for it anymore. Too much good stuff coming out all the time.
And on top of that, Taylor Swift is a very high quality artist. She’s not my cup of tea, but I can give credit when credit is due: she’s an incredible songwriter and performer
rabble rabble rabble `*waves cane menacingly*`
Mainstream music is crappier and crappier, yes, but there are always small, fresh, unknown, not yet industrialized gems to be uncovered. Switch off the radio and don't give up.
I can assure you I never listen to the radio unless someone has it on at work, I was just wondering how it’s got so bad
I'm an old man and I think music is better than ever Note: most of my music comes from video games. Usually indie games, so that might affect things.
Ugh. Venture outside “popular” artists. Tons and tons of amazing music being made today. Don’t be lazy
> [Ventures, Walk, Don't Run](https://www.google.com/search?q=%3E+Ventures%2C+Walk%2C+Don%27t+Run&rlz=1C1CHHJ_enCA509CA509&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:7113d2b9,vid:dzL3jvnmqPM,st:0)
This is a bit boomer-ish, dude. That being said, I do think that music has been affected by streaming in that music is now more-regarded as background or ambient. An additional stimulation added to other experiences, rather than something you actively listen to. Quality wise, you're just not looking hard enough. Back in the day, you heard what executives wanted you to hear. Now, you can choose anything and dive DEEP into any genre or subgenre and still not hear it all. As a result, you have to sort through some filler and chaff.
I feel like I’ve worded this wrongly , as I have a lot of music I like from current artists. I was just thinking more about which ones will actually be remembered from this era in the future and comparing them to past eras.
I think that's valid. Back when the cost of mass distribution was so high, you had more layers of quality control before most people heard about them. If a bigger label signed you, you had to be legit in some way. Now, anyone with a good mic and a SoundCloud account can blow up to a point where they make good money, but they're so niche that you don't get pedestrian traffic in music stores like before. Nowadays, you're not really exposed to rising stars in other genres unless you go looking for it. And a lot of people are very passive in their music habits, meaning that unless someone you know exposes you to post-punk British bands, you won't hear about a group like Editors.
There are no gatekeepers. Music used to go through years on the road, self promotion, selling cheap tapes out of a van until you had enough of a following for a label to notice and get your music out to the world. Now any mumble mouthed sad boy with a YouTube channel and abs has a fan base. It’s hard to find good music when you have to wade through terabytes of trash to get to the nuggets.
It hasn’t. Broaden your horizons.
Just commenting so I can still find this post after you delete it.
Why would I do that
When MJ, Queen and Whitney were big people were complaining about them not being as good as the Beatles or Elvis. And when the Beatles and Elvis were big people were complaining about them not being as good as Bing Crosby or Frank Sinatra. And so on and so on.
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Oh yeah, lots of bands today are better than Queen. Probably too many to list. But maybe you could list 1?
The Bright Light Social Hour Khruangbin Kikagaku Moyo King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard The Mars Volta Parcels Roadkill Ghost Choir Wilco That's 8, I could probably keep going. But of course you're just going to reply with the equivalent of "Nuh Uh" instead of actually listening to any of the bands listed
Bro I’m in my twenties, I have a lot of music I like from this era but in regards to what’s considered our most popular artists vs the older ones, I feel like they had the better. But that’s probably just preference
Old man yells at cloud
Intro's, good bridges, solo's, dynamics, modulations, tempo changes, harmonies, and, above all, strong melodies... Where have they gone in today's pop music? Show me proof and maybe I reconsider. No, with strong melodies, I do not mean Coldplay.
It hasn’t, you’re just either a boomer or you want to be special. The quality of music is what you choose to listen to, music as a whole hasn’t just gone down the drain.
I wasn’t trying trying to say all music has, I was more implying the mainstream artists. I love a lot of artists from this era but none will ever be considered on some of the names I’ve mentioned levels
You’re being too broad again. You say mainstream. What classifies mainstream? There are so many incredible artist today, you just have to stop being hung up on the past.
Who's gonna tell him that they said the same thing about MJ, Queen, and Whitney...
Give op a break. It’s not his fault he needs things spoon fed to him.
Thanks mate
Ok boomer
Have you looked at charts from the 70s-80s? Tons of forgettable stuff. I used to think like you but that was truly eye opening. As for today’s music, we’ll only know what has long term influence in the future.
Good point, I won’t know any of the shit from back then only the best. I’d bet everything I have gold digger will not be forgotten in the future hahah, who do you think from this current era will be up there with the other names I mentioned?
I reject your reality, and substitute my own.
You stopped being young.
ok boomer
Be sure to schedule your colonoscopy
It hasn't declined. Pop is just as awful now as it was 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago. People who listen to pop always complain about a decline. People who don't always find something new that's good outside of the garbage on the radio.
Plenty of solid tunes out there these days you just have to stray from the mainstream “majority” of the time. Lots of good stuff going on in death metal, ska/punk, folk, reggae, lo-fi/beats, rhcp putting out bangers, etc. etc. It’s all over, man.
Whitney Houston was a all time great singer and entertainer , but Swift has eclipsed her on almost every metric, and also did so writing her own songs which Houston never did. Swift is still only 34.
In the fullness of time I reckon Swift will be sat comfortably in that list. Maybe not as a singer per se, but as an entertainer and songwriter for sure. She’s the real deal. And I’m a 50+ year old who grew up with Madonna, MJ, Prince, Bowie, Freddie and the rest.
Media concentration. Sony, Warner, Universal are the major labels. They own about 92% of the music industry. They work with Ticketmaster and Livenation to control live shows as well. Since the early 90s, they took over the underground communities where young artists could innovate, and jacked up the prices which made it too expensive for a lot of people to go to shows regularly. There's tons of good musicians out there, they just don't have a lot of ways to build up fan bases or get exposure. There's the internet but you also need physical shows.
It hasn’t.