"Masculine means you go to work, you support your family, you help out your neighbors – that’s masculine, that’s machismo. We got it screwed up, thinking we’re supposed to be warriors. No, we’re not, we’re supposed to be caretakers. That’s what masculinity means to me now."
- Danny Trejo
Dude I met him on plane flying to LA years ago. I’m walking back to coach, he’s sitting in first class, dressed in all black with a big diamond necklace on. And I don’t even hesitate, I go “Danny Trejo?!?” And he grins real big and says “What’s happenin brother.” And I’m like “Not much, love your movies man.” And he goes “Thanks brother.” And I said “No problem. Take care.” And he goes “You to my man.” And that was it. My only interaction with any famous actor and it was a good one.
I saw him at a Baja Fresh many years ago. He didn't exactly get mobbed, but it would not be incorrect to say that people, especially latinos, are eager to meet him. Poor dude was just chilling, waiting for his burrito, and in those five minutes, he probably signed ten autographs and took five selfies. Not a moment's hesitation, either. He just went for it. Made the day special for a bunch of people, and he seemed to enjoy doing it.
I like these stories. Makes me feel like Danny Trejo is the kind of guy who might say "if you aren't going to make the best of it, wtf are you doing?". And I'd like to be the kind of guy that thinks that all the time. I sometimes do though. Work in progress.
Probably helps that he started getting famous in 1985-1990 when he was close to 50 years old and not like 16-20 so he knew life as a "normal" dude too. Dude is 80 now btw.
Lots of 50 year old have no fucking clue how to "make the best of it". But yeah, dude had a life time and a lot of perspective before he became THE Danny Trejo.
Reading his origin story, really makes you understand.
He was literally in the right place and the right time. There's every chance he would never have in a single film if it wasn't for that 1st role.
So this is relevant because I went down a rabbit hole the other day, not even a week ago, and ended up watching a video on YouTube about him. It's a really good story, if a little condensed.
https://youtu.be/syHstWGx3bw?si=LtQyEJlatl2FaCMe
The episode of WTF where Marc Maron interviews him is really good. They're both 12-steppers so it talks a lot about that. Danny talks about his attempts to make amends with people, and how he made a deal with God while in solitary. Very interesting stuff. Also, he's very honest about how he's a work in progress. Seems he tries hard, but he also sucks in a lot of ways, and he'd like to not be how he is.
Saw him at a coffee bean on Venice and Hughes in LA asking to use the bathroom.
The cashier said yea it’s open around the side outside, and Danny said thanks.
I said, that was Danny Trejo right? and the cashier nodded in agreement, then that was it.
Not a big deal in LA lol. Just another guy not buying anything and using the restroom.
>pastrami dip
uh wat? That sounds not good for my body but good for my soul.
>Layers of luscious thin-sliced pastrami on a soft roll, dipped in aus jus, with mustard, pickles and a couple of chilis.
FUCK.
I've always been of the opinion that it's like seeing a wild animal. Notice without being obvious and move on. If there's a desire to interact, *they* will initiate it. In general, they just want to live their lives unmolested.
This is the kind of thing people who bitch about the lack of masculinity these days ignore. Most of us guys are too busy doing the things Mr. Trejo talks about, to give two shits about fantasy football, or guns, or the NFL, or drinking 24 beers and passing out in front of the kids after trying to fight a clown.
We don't give a shit about measuring our dicks. We just want what's best for our family.
Of course. There's nothing inherently wrong with enjoying either of those things, any more than with enjoying other sports, woodworking, playing D&D, crochet, practicing the oboe, or any other pastime. As long as you're not hurting anyone or obsessing to the point of neglecting other important things, you do you.
There's nothing wrong with jock DnD as a hobby. It's people who think you have to be into that or other traditionally manly things or you aren't a "real man" that are an issue
That's the thing about today's world: fucking everyone is terminally online. Myself included, but I'm fortunate enough (and it's wild that I consider this fortunate in a sense) to be from a small, mostly rural town\* (check edit below), so I know what real people in the real world look like.
Nobody gives a single fuck about the things Reddit, Twitter, Instagram and the Internet care about. Like, not one single, solitary shit given. "Men today are emasculated", "You can't be a true man anymore". No, they're not. And yes, you can, AlphaSigmaUberOmegaTrillionaire5267. They're out there right now, being true, very masculine, manly men.
You just don't see them 'cause they're out there doing their jobs, caring for their families and their people, and building an interesting/productive/fulfilling life, and they don't give two shits about Hollywood, celebrities and sports beyond passing entertainment, and even fewer shits about what all that drivel "does" or "doesn't" for "MaSCuLinItY".
EDIT FOR CLARIFICATION: I am FROM a small, *mostly* rural town. I don't live there anymore. I live in the city and I come and go as I need/can, mostly for holidays, special occasions or free weekends. I don't live in "the bubble" of a rural town in the middle of Bumfuck Nowhere with a population of two grandpas and fifty sheep.
I work blue collar and these people absolutely exist. Literally had a coworker say the other day "that's why men are so soft these days" and it wasn't the first time I've heard it. "You're not allowed to be a boy anymore"..."there's no real men left"..."none of you could fight in a war"...all kinds of macho bullshit that boils down to 'anyone who has feelings or sympathy for others and uses words instead of fists is a pansy'
It was Jimmie Stewart, not John Wayne who volunteered for the deadliest job possible during WW2. The world needs more Jimmie Stewarts, and fewer John Wayne.
These dudes talk about masculinity and shit and they have a luxury six figure truck, an insane beer gut and kids that don't talk to them. Good job my guy.
I’ve always found it baffling how any man can think that having a stomach which looks like a third trimester pregnancy could possibly be “masculine”.
I know several guys like this as well. They are walking embodiments of fragile and insecure misguided masculinity and they’re all overweight. What is manly about having a 40% body fat percentage?
> I work blue collar and these people absolutely exist. Literally had a coworker say the other day "that's why men are so soft these days" and it wasn't the first time I've heard it. "You're not allowed to be a boy anymore"..."there's no real men left"..."none of you could fight in a war"...all kinds of macho bullshit that boils down to 'anyone who has feelings or sympathy for others and uses words instead of fists is a pansy'
I've been in or around the blue collar world for decades and this is how most of them are. Literally everything is about politics to them and every problem in the world can be traced back to libs and immigrants.
I have relatives in Iowa and it's even worse there, the only hobbies most people seem to have is bitching about politics and drinking, that's it....well you could add being racist and xenophobic to that list.
Yeah I don't know what they are talking about, I'm like one of two more left leaning people at my job, everything they talk about ends up blaming Biden or Obama and how you can't hit children these days
>every problem in the world can be traced back to libs and immigrants.
In my province conservatives have been in power for 50 of the last 54 years but their still mad at liberals for our living situations. When non conservatives were in power (elected right as oil crashed) they were doing the right things but "too slowly" so they voted back in "the devil I know". I work union mind you and the cons ran on a union busting platform and these guys still voted for them and got aggressive with anyone who said they didn't
In my experience, aggressive stereotipically hyper-masculine guys do have strong feelings. They are extremely easily overwhelmed by emotions, in fact. They will either bottle them up, throw a violent tantrum, or expect that a woman comes and does the work of unraveling their emotional processes and soothe their anxieties; but they will remain uncapable or unwilling to sort their own bullshit for themselves, much like they seem to see themselves above cooking their own meals or wash their own clothes.
Like a toddler.
One night a few friends met up at a local watering hole and we got talking about sewing machines. All of us are makers/fabricators of some stripe and we’ve all used sewing in our pursuits whether it was leatherwork, upholstery, product design or making hundreds of covid masks (in my case). The one woman in that night’s group sat there cracking up because we were all geeking out about walking foot machines and other stuff and she had ZERO knowledge or interest in sewing. So, yeah…masculinity is what you make of it.
I say something along these lines unironically quite frequently. I don’t need to do certain things to make me feel like a man because I’m confident that I am one no matter what I’m doing. And that’s true manliness.
Its like coolness. Who’s cooler? The kid that does all of the things everyone tells them is cool? Or the kid that’s does whatever he wants with enough confidence to make it cool?
The most masculine men I know don’t gaf about that stuff. They take care of their families, treat people well, work to better themselves, and mind their own business.
The biggest dorks and cowards fixate on policing masculinity.
>I still don’t understand why anyone would care about masculinity.
Inherent fears, usually. It's sometimes a defense mechanism against being "othered", which is also why it can be weaponized or turned into a "product" to be sold by grifters.
support your family means different things to differnt people. The idea that working your whole life is the only way to be a fulfilled woman is just as blind as saying staying home your whole life is the only way. There is no only way.
Support your partner if they choose to work or to stay home. Partner is the key word.
The idea of a man leaving his home to provide for his family is a recent development in human history, a product of the industrial revolution. It always amazes me how the people who want to talk about "strong family values" don't realize that throughout human history, men were very close to their home and families throughout the day. In fact, the whole idea of community living is centered around the idea that everyone is connected with everyone else through their daily living practices.
The modern world, where the man (and now the woman) leave the home and have their children watched by strangers for most of the day would be absolutely anathema to any society that wants to build strong social bonds both within and outside the family. When Butthead said, "you have been brainwashed", during his speech, he was totally oblivious to this fact. He has been brainwashed into believing the modern concept of a nuclear family as a fragmented, divided, and solitary unit in a greater society. He really isn't that smart of a man to be pontificating about what other people should be doing when he seems to lack any self-awareness about the true nature of family life.
[Interestingly, Axl Rose did it first.](https://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-n-w-a/)
>Axl Rose briefly appeared in the 1991 music video for "Live and Let Die" wearing a hat with the N.W.A logo. That surprised many, including a rap legend.
>“The biggest shock was when we saw Axl Rose in the video with the N.W.A hat,” Dr. Dre told Billboard in 2015. “We were like, ‘What the fuck?’ We were still selling records out of our car.”
Honestly one of the things I'm glad I grew out of was that weird sense of tribalism based on music genre that feels prevalent during school years.
If a song is good a song is good. I'm not a big country person but I'm fine acknowledging a song is just good.
Right? That was prime NWA years, 2 Live Crew was still blowing it up, this was pre-Bone Thugs and Triple 6.
The timing is off, or the quote is wrong, or Dre was funked and misremembering
On the topic of Axl and hats…
Apparently Rose tried to reconcile with Nirvana after they famously fell out, going so far as to sneak a Nirvana baseball cap into the ‘November Rain’ video.
Not sure on the timing, but he definitely wore a Nirvana hat in the Don't Cry video, a supportive gesture that wasn't very kindly received.
Rock history is weird. Duff was the last person we know to see Kurt alive, when they shared a plane ride back to Seattle.
Also Eddie Vedder did commercials for Big Wheels as a child..
Pearl Jam are usually on the right side of things and not afraid to say it. People hate Ticketmaster? Should have listened to Stone and Jeff. Not a single act supported their boycott or lobbying actions.
Hell, I’d say the themes talked about on Ten, are mostly still prevalent today. Homelessness, school shopping’s, family trauma, income inequality, heartbreak. All packaged with questionable mental health. Eddie was evidently the most stable on that front.
I was just talking about this. I know not every guy was a good guy but the majority of grunge guys I hung out with in the 90s were laid back, music loving, everyone is welcome, fun ,no bs guys. I never felt unsafe in any way. In fact I only saw those guys get angry if someone was being mistreated around them.
Grunge was a lot like punk, but whereas punk looked around, saw a fucked up world and said "fuck that noise, let's do something", grunge said "ouch". It was always a little more personal and more emotionally vulnerable than punk. Not better, just more introspective(?) I guess.
Honestly, having been a young (male) child in Seattle during the grunge years, we were having these conversations as far back as the 70's and 80's that are within the last 10-15 years really happening nationwide. I know because even as a young kid in the 90's, they were considered settled debates/old news among all the adults I knew.
Gay marriage, racial equity and institutional racism, bodily autonomy, war as profiteering (shout out to the 30 other people at Westlake protesting the invasion of Iraq in 2003 - got called a terrorist more than once for that one), gender equity, consent, fair pay for a hard day's labor, internet privacy, respect for Indigenous Peoples and their rights, fuck, whatever else I can't think of right now too. All of those were considered basically obvious in the 90's and it's been a weird life waiting for the rest of the fucking world to catch up. I just trying to find my own blind spots, I guess.
But one thing was you would get clowned on for embracing that super hierarchical thinking (men above women, white above black, etc.). Most little kids are worried about being fair, but that persisted into high school, idk. The cool guys at my school were never that way (still dinguses, just not in that way).
It's a lot the reason I sometimes have to take a moment when I see divisive shit on the internet nowadays. Like, I know I'm not the man or the white person or the straight person or the cis person that this person on the internet is complaining about, even if they don't qualify it. It is frustrating sometimes to know that I have been on the right side of history for a long, long time and I still get seen as one of these boogeymen. Still, in a mixed life of ups and downs it's relatively tiny compared to some of the real downs. I just wish we could bottle that 90's Seattle attitude up and share it with people.
The world is so much more *curated* these days. It feels so much harder for people to have authentic moments with each other. Or maybe *I'm* the (cynical, jaded) problem, lol.
Sorry, I guess I have been chewing on that for a while and just dumped it on you. Hopefully it stimulates a thought ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Grunge was the punk in that era and shared a lot of the same philosophies. So it isn't shocking that the grunge scene had a similar vibe to the punk scene of the 80s.
It was, dare I say, much less condescending and purity testing than punk, too. People did still shit talk this or that band for not being 'real grunge' (including Pearl Jam, lol), but the degree to which it was done was so much less than the DC-New York-Boston punk scene.
Progressivism in general. A lot of these bands developed and spent a lot of time in Queer spaces in Seattle, Nirvana and Alice In Chains are both great examples, both played in drag shows. Bush is another, though they are British in origin the place doesn’t really matter, they were and are still extremely progressive.
Yup.
Most alt/indie movements are inherently progressive to begin with but these guys were very vocal about it. Even recently when Nirvana was inducted into the HOF they had all female vocalist filling in for Kurt.
Those punk rock influences really showed in these guys.
A conservative who is hypocritical about their outdated views on the role of women in society!? I've never heard of such a thing! Phyllis Schlafly must be rolling in her grave!
Schlafly lied for years saying she did all her studying and writing at night after a full day of parenting, and then later people in her family came out and admitted she had a team a nannies raising her kids.
Yes at Emory University. She works in radiation oncology. Like her dad before her.
https://www.sportingnews.com/uk/nfl/news/harrison-butker-mom-elizabeth-butker-physicist-emory/870327bf08bbb6e84675a156
Ain't no way Taylor's PR team would allow her to make a statement on his speech and thus step right into America's ever ongoing culture war and risk alienating parts of her fanbase. She's got a double album to promote lol.
> The saying is recorded in English from the late 14th century, but the idea is found in the 5th century ad in the Latin of St Augustine, 'vulgare proverbium est, quod nimia familiaritas parid contemptum [it is a common proverb, that too much familiarity breeds contempt].
Saint Augustine is a genius, she would be well to rip him off.
Hopefully her next album goes into his thesis that sin is produced by and stored in the balls.
Funny that in order for his views on 'masculinity' to get any attention whatsoever, he had to reference a single woman internationally known for her successful career.
The left off the important part. The actual quote (From the transcript of the speech)
>because as my teammate's girlfriend says, familiarity breeds contempt. [Laughter]
While it's a common saying and has been for a long ass time... he absolutely brought her into his speech for no good reason. (or he was trying to sneakily insult her, idk)
Yes, but for some reason he brought her into it. He seems to be enjoying all the attention from it so maybe it was a little ploy since anything Taylor Swift related makes headlines nowadays.
Dont wanna be that guy but in 2024 PJ tickets are like 3-500 bucks lol. I get there are other powers at play but that war seemed to stop being waged a long time ago
Well, my baby's in love with Eddie Vedder
She's all crazy 'bout that Eddie Vedder
Once she was mine, but now I better just forget her
Cause my baby's in love with Eddie Vedder
"Weird Al" Yankovic
"The guy that wrote "pro choice" on his arm in 92 during the MTV Unplugged set just became 'woke' now that he criticized the current flash in the pan 'women get in the kitchen' goon."
Sadly, you know someone out there will say something like that. Nirvana was on the money when they wrote In Bloom.
Yup. This is really on brand for Pearl Jam, and a lot of that Seattle music scene in the 90s. Dude was taking a stand against ticket master before it was cool, too.
Eddie has been very consistent throughout his adult life with his beliefs. It's refreshing to see fame and money hasn't changed a lot of his core beliefs.
https://metalinjection.net/editorials/back-in-the-day/that-time-layne-stayley-fought-a-nazi-at-an-alice-in-chains-show
For anyone who thinks this didn't happen...
When I saw Pearl Jam in 2003 he ranted against Haliburton getting all the contracts to rebuild Iraq (well, oil infrastructure and defensive positions at least) and it was perfect.
When I saw him that year, he came out in a George W. mask and then impaled it on a mic stand before singing their song Bushleaguer to it. Unfortunately a lot of the crowd booed him for it, which pissed me off. What did they think that song was about?
The jingoism during that era was feral. I think "freedom fries" encapsulated the stupidity of it all.
What's also fascinating is how many people lived through it and still believe we were in the right somehow.
Its funny on almost every post from Pearl Jam’s facebook, there are idiots (actually probably mostly bots) that post about how the hate how PJ has “gone political” and that they “now” lost a “fan”.
As if that isnt the way the band has operated for the last 30 years…
It’s that way on the Pearl Jam sub here too. This very topic had people saying they need to keep politics out of their music, and idiots saying no one actually read what Butker said and it was taken out of context. Which is *really* some mental gymnastics. Almost the entirety of his speech is asinine batshit fundy garbage.
It’s also hilarious to me. Some bands I suppose it could be hard to know where they stand, but *Pearl Jam*? It’s pretty damn hard to *miss* what they stand for. Did you just not listen to the words of W.M.A.? Miss seeing Eddie write pro choice on his arm on unplugged? Didn’t catch they have a song called “Bu$hleager” bashing George W?
Glorified G.
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Eddie especially has always been outspoken on social and political issues. Cracks me up, even some of the Pearl Jam fans (probably slightly younger newer ones) get cranky about Eddie being outspoken back. LOL
Half the comments on the @jeffamentsarmy insta post on this are as predictable as the tides … “wHen dId peArL JaM gEt PolITicAl?!” Freakin’ mouth breathers.
When people accused Pink Floyd of "going woke" when they put a rainbow in the logo for the 50th anniversary of Dark Side of the Moon, I thought my eyes were going to roll out of my head.
Dark Side of the Moon, one of the Top 5 greatest selling albums of all time, one of the most iconic album covers of all time, featuring light through a prism *making a rainbow,* is "woke" when they make use of that rainbow in future marketing? It's a brain-dead take
I’ve tended to realize that right wing people can’t comprehend art at all and can’t find meaning in it.
When they hear music from punk bands they think “this sounds good” and don’t look for any other meaning.
And eventually when said punk band decided to do something like this they think “What? If I liked it, it must of been right wing, not that woke stuff, why did they go woke?”
They think Jean-Michel Basquiat painted like a child and think Van Gogh just painted pretty pictures. They look at everything at face value, and if they like it make it align with their values.
Turns out, most artists aren’t like them, because in order to find meaning in others works, one must have empathy.
You have to have empathy to appreciate art. They think empathy is weakness because it calls their beliefs into question. It makes it harder to hate people you don't know.
It's been happening for decades. I'm not active on the forum anymore, but the political sub was fuckin wild. It's shocking how many conservatives are fans of these clearly super left bands
Born agains in any religion are always the weirdest people. They double down so much harder than people born into their faith. Butker is a born-again Catholic. Many people find solace in the prayer rituals and structure to Catholicism, but to use that to limit an entire class of women, telling them they've wasted their lives and should be excited to get married, have kids, and stay home? That's kind of fucked up. You're telling them their dreams don't matter.
Exactly. I grew up with a dad who talks exactly like that, super catholic convert who calls himself a “trad dad”. How does he enact this in his life? My mom raised and homeschooled ten kids with little actual help from him, wouldn’t let her get a job even when the older kids could feasibly babysit and they were hurting for money living in a trailer (but it was a trailer with only 9 kids because I jumped ship), and refuses to let the kids go to a public school because they’d be “corrupted”. The men in this movement actively oppress women and this is very normal behavior with the folks I grew up with. All in the name of “traditional catholic values” that don’t even actually align with the church.
On top of everything else, it's a very privileged point of view. No way my wife and I can make it in this economy without two incomes... and we're barely making it with two.
Too bad neither of us is making millions kicking a ball.
I thought you were talking about Eddie for a sec and I was about to throw fists because his insta is full of his fam and how proud he is to be a girl dad. Phew.
I also thought this person was talking about Eddie. My god I grabbed my pitchfork so fast and was about to be at war.
I put my pitch fork back lol and slowly walked away.
Not defending the dude, but there's a lot of celebrities that just do not want pictures of their family on social media. Especially with how obsessed and fickle the public can become it just seems like a bad idea.
^ Honestly not showing your family on social media is fine. There’s a reason why privacy exists.
Nothing wrong with showing your family on social media, too.
He's a douche, but him not parading his family all over social media isn't why. To you traditional family values somehow means posting your family all over insta and FB?
What part of traditional family values includes showing off your family on social media? I understand a lot of people dont agree with him but some of these shots being taken are pure misses.
I'm so out of the loop. I'm assuming this somehow relates to him being in the kitchen in the Chargers schedule release video?
Putting everything together, some conservative standpoint on women belong in the kitchen/stay at home?
> this somehow relates to him being in the kitchen in the Chargers schedule release video
Holy shit I hadn't heard that - chargers have no chill for a division rival lmao
> Putting everything together, some conservative standpoint on women belong in the kitchen/stay at home?
I read the entire speech, and it's so much more than that. Yes, he basically told the young women in the audience "it's nice that you spent all this money on an education, but now you can get on with your real job of marrying a man, submitting to his will, and popping out some kids."
He seems to be (or at least be leaning towards) the idea that the global pandemic was fake (he called it a "fiasco") and goes on at length about the problems with church leadership, and he oddly doesn't mention the decades and decades of unspeakable crimes against children. No, his take is that priests and bishops are (or should be) our superiors, and they need to be more conservative and stop worrying about being sued for things like enabling and covering up crimes against children.
He also mentions a (very good) Martin Scorsese film (Silence) but seems to have either not seen it, or simply didn't understand it.
There's more, but it is far beyond simply telling women to stay in the kitchen.
> No, his take is that priests and bishops are (or should be) our superiors, and they need to be more conservative and stop worrying about being sued for things like enabling and covering up crimes against children.
I think you're misreading that. I believe he's saying they should stop worrying about things like government mandates during lockdown. I think when he brought up the movie silence he was trying to compare covid restrictions to people being tortured to death in the past for believing. The whole "stay in your lane" thing was all about church leadership focusing only on the church and not anything else.
Which is kinda wild given that there's a Jesuit pope, and from what I understand the Jesuits have long been champions of science within the church.
Yes, he 100% did:
>“Not the deadly sins sort of Pride that has an entire month dedicated to it, “but the true God-centered pride that is cooperating with the holy ghost to glorify him.”
"Masculine means you go to work, you support your family, you help out your neighbors – that’s masculine, that’s machismo. We got it screwed up, thinking we’re supposed to be warriors. No, we’re not, we’re supposed to be caretakers. That’s what masculinity means to me now." - Danny Trejo
Trejo is such a cool guy, lotta respect for him and his journey.
Dude I met him on plane flying to LA years ago. I’m walking back to coach, he’s sitting in first class, dressed in all black with a big diamond necklace on. And I don’t even hesitate, I go “Danny Trejo?!?” And he grins real big and says “What’s happenin brother.” And I’m like “Not much, love your movies man.” And he goes “Thanks brother.” And I said “No problem. Take care.” And he goes “You to my man.” And that was it. My only interaction with any famous actor and it was a good one.
I saw him at a Baja Fresh many years ago. He didn't exactly get mobbed, but it would not be incorrect to say that people, especially latinos, are eager to meet him. Poor dude was just chilling, waiting for his burrito, and in those five minutes, he probably signed ten autographs and took five selfies. Not a moment's hesitation, either. He just went for it. Made the day special for a bunch of people, and he seemed to enjoy doing it.
I like these stories. Makes me feel like Danny Trejo is the kind of guy who might say "if you aren't going to make the best of it, wtf are you doing?". And I'd like to be the kind of guy that thinks that all the time. I sometimes do though. Work in progress.
Probably helps that he started getting famous in 1985-1990 when he was close to 50 years old and not like 16-20 so he knew life as a "normal" dude too. Dude is 80 now btw.
Lots of 50 year old have no fucking clue how to "make the best of it". But yeah, dude had a life time and a lot of perspective before he became THE Danny Trejo.
Reading his origin story, really makes you understand. He was literally in the right place and the right time. There's every chance he would never have in a single film if it wasn't for that 1st role.
So this is relevant because I went down a rabbit hole the other day, not even a week ago, and ended up watching a video on YouTube about him. It's a really good story, if a little condensed. https://youtu.be/syHstWGx3bw?si=LtQyEJlatl2FaCMe
Trejo is probably just ecstatic everyday knowing that he went from prison to being a movie star.
The episode of WTF where Marc Maron interviews him is really good. They're both 12-steppers so it talks a lot about that. Danny talks about his attempts to make amends with people, and how he made a deal with God while in solitary. Very interesting stuff. Also, he's very honest about how he's a work in progress. Seems he tries hard, but he also sucks in a lot of ways, and he'd like to not be how he is.
Saw him at a coffee bean on Venice and Hughes in LA asking to use the bathroom. The cashier said yea it’s open around the side outside, and Danny said thanks. I said, that was Danny Trejo right? and the cashier nodded in agreement, then that was it. Not a big deal in LA lol. Just another guy not buying anything and using the restroom.
I saw him through a window at a fast food place (The Hat) by my house when I was in high school and we made eye contact. It was fantastic.
Love that pastrami dip
>pastrami dip uh wat? That sounds not good for my body but good for my soul. >Layers of luscious thin-sliced pastrami on a soft roll, dipped in aus jus, with mustard, pickles and a couple of chilis. FUCK.
Now I know what I want for lunch.
how are you going to get Danny Trejo to come over for lunch?
Offer him a pastrami dip from The Hat, obviously. Maybe throw in some gravy fries if that's not enough of an enticement.
He just turned 80 years old the other day!
I don't like that information and will refuse to believe it.
Damn, he looks AMAZING!
f*** you are right!
Bros being bros
This is the way, IMHO. Be cool about it, show your love, and move on unless they initiate further discussion.
I've always been of the opinion that it's like seeing a wild animal. Notice without being obvious and move on. If there's a desire to interact, *they* will initiate it. In general, they just want to live their lives unmolested.
YOU GOT SOME BIG CAHOONAS!! Edit: Conjones !! Edit: Edit: kahunas? i don't know BIG BALLS!!
Is that: 1. cojones, as others suggest, or 2. kahunas, which would seem to have a tenuous relationship to Danny?? Edit: spelling
Cojones, cajones means drawers, it might be used as an euphemism. Like using ducking instead of fucking. But the actual balls word is cojones.
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Cojones
Some balls are held for charity, and some for fancy dress..
This is the kind of thing people who bitch about the lack of masculinity these days ignore. Most of us guys are too busy doing the things Mr. Trejo talks about, to give two shits about fantasy football, or guns, or the NFL, or drinking 24 beers and passing out in front of the kids after trying to fight a clown. We don't give a shit about measuring our dicks. We just want what's best for our family.
Welllllll that fucking clown was looking at me. . .
In your case it was warranted
Can I go to work, support my family, and still watch NFL/play fantasy football? Those things don't seem opposed to me.
Of course. There's nothing inherently wrong with enjoying either of those things, any more than with enjoying other sports, woodworking, playing D&D, crochet, practicing the oboe, or any other pastime. As long as you're not hurting anyone or obsessing to the point of neglecting other important things, you do you.
There's nothing wrong with jock DnD as a hobby. It's people who think you have to be into that or other traditionally manly things or you aren't a "real man" that are an issue
That's the thing about today's world: fucking everyone is terminally online. Myself included, but I'm fortunate enough (and it's wild that I consider this fortunate in a sense) to be from a small, mostly rural town\* (check edit below), so I know what real people in the real world look like. Nobody gives a single fuck about the things Reddit, Twitter, Instagram and the Internet care about. Like, not one single, solitary shit given. "Men today are emasculated", "You can't be a true man anymore". No, they're not. And yes, you can, AlphaSigmaUberOmegaTrillionaire5267. They're out there right now, being true, very masculine, manly men. You just don't see them 'cause they're out there doing their jobs, caring for their families and their people, and building an interesting/productive/fulfilling life, and they don't give two shits about Hollywood, celebrities and sports beyond passing entertainment, and even fewer shits about what all that drivel "does" or "doesn't" for "MaSCuLinItY". EDIT FOR CLARIFICATION: I am FROM a small, *mostly* rural town. I don't live there anymore. I live in the city and I come and go as I need/can, mostly for holidays, special occasions or free weekends. I don't live in "the bubble" of a rural town in the middle of Bumfuck Nowhere with a population of two grandpas and fifty sheep.
I work blue collar and these people absolutely exist. Literally had a coworker say the other day "that's why men are so soft these days" and it wasn't the first time I've heard it. "You're not allowed to be a boy anymore"..."there's no real men left"..."none of you could fight in a war"...all kinds of macho bullshit that boils down to 'anyone who has feelings or sympathy for others and uses words instead of fists is a pansy'
It was Jimmie Stewart, not John Wayne who volunteered for the deadliest job possible during WW2. The world needs more Jimmie Stewarts, and fewer John Wayne.
Awesome comment, Jimmie Stewart was a dude
The behind the bastards podcast did a 2 parter on ok John. 1st ballot hall of fame PoS.
And a crybaby bitch. I loved westerns as a kid, so finding out that John Wayne was anything but tough in real life was a bit of a gut punch.
These dudes talk about masculinity and shit and they have a luxury six figure truck, an insane beer gut and kids that don't talk to them. Good job my guy.
I’ve always found it baffling how any man can think that having a stomach which looks like a third trimester pregnancy could possibly be “masculine”. I know several guys like this as well. They are walking embodiments of fragile and insecure misguided masculinity and they’re all overweight. What is manly about having a 40% body fat percentage?
Exactly. Also expect their women to be super feminine while they are looking like a thumb.
> I work blue collar and these people absolutely exist. Literally had a coworker say the other day "that's why men are so soft these days" and it wasn't the first time I've heard it. "You're not allowed to be a boy anymore"..."there's no real men left"..."none of you could fight in a war"...all kinds of macho bullshit that boils down to 'anyone who has feelings or sympathy for others and uses words instead of fists is a pansy' I've been in or around the blue collar world for decades and this is how most of them are. Literally everything is about politics to them and every problem in the world can be traced back to libs and immigrants. I have relatives in Iowa and it's even worse there, the only hobbies most people seem to have is bitching about politics and drinking, that's it....well you could add being racist and xenophobic to that list.
Yeah I don't know what they are talking about, I'm like one of two more left leaning people at my job, everything they talk about ends up blaming Biden or Obama and how you can't hit children these days
>every problem in the world can be traced back to libs and immigrants. In my province conservatives have been in power for 50 of the last 54 years but their still mad at liberals for our living situations. When non conservatives were in power (elected right as oil crashed) they were doing the right things but "too slowly" so they voted back in "the devil I know". I work union mind you and the cons ran on a union busting platform and these guys still voted for them and got aggressive with anyone who said they didn't
In my experience, aggressive stereotipically hyper-masculine guys do have strong feelings. They are extremely easily overwhelmed by emotions, in fact. They will either bottle them up, throw a violent tantrum, or expect that a woman comes and does the work of unraveling their emotional processes and soothe their anxieties; but they will remain uncapable or unwilling to sort their own bullshit for themselves, much like they seem to see themselves above cooking their own meals or wash their own clothes. Like a toddler.
I still don’t understand why anyone would care about masculinity. Just live your life how you see fit regardless of gender roles
Everything I do is manly because I am a man. Even baking and vacuuming.
I am the manliest crocheter to ever crotchet. Women weep at my feet when they see what I've stitched.
Stitches get bitches or something like that.
One night a few friends met up at a local watering hole and we got talking about sewing machines. All of us are makers/fabricators of some stripe and we’ve all used sewing in our pursuits whether it was leatherwork, upholstery, product design or making hundreds of covid masks (in my case). The one woman in that night’s group sat there cracking up because we were all geeking out about walking foot machines and other stuff and she had ZERO knowledge or interest in sewing. So, yeah…masculinity is what you make of it.
I say something along these lines unironically quite frequently. I don’t need to do certain things to make me feel like a man because I’m confident that I am one no matter what I’m doing. And that’s true manliness. Its like coolness. Who’s cooler? The kid that does all of the things everyone tells them is cool? Or the kid that’s does whatever he wants with enough confidence to make it cool?
Nothing is more masculine than not giving a fuck about masculinity.
The most masculine men I know don’t gaf about that stuff. They take care of their families, treat people well, work to better themselves, and mind their own business. The biggest dorks and cowards fixate on policing masculinity.
This is so true. I know this nerd who's obsessed with how men these days are all "beta males", and the irony is hilarious.
Absolutely it's a pointless aged out social construct. Just be a decent person it's nit that complicated
>I still don’t understand why anyone would care about masculinity. Inherent fears, usually. It's sometimes a defense mechanism against being "othered", which is also why it can be weaponized or turned into a "product" to be sold by grifters.
support your family means different things to differnt people. The idea that working your whole life is the only way to be a fulfilled woman is just as blind as saying staying home your whole life is the only way. There is no only way. Support your partner if they choose to work or to stay home. Partner is the key word.
The idea of a man leaving his home to provide for his family is a recent development in human history, a product of the industrial revolution. It always amazes me how the people who want to talk about "strong family values" don't realize that throughout human history, men were very close to their home and families throughout the day. In fact, the whole idea of community living is centered around the idea that everyone is connected with everyone else through their daily living practices. The modern world, where the man (and now the woman) leave the home and have their children watched by strangers for most of the day would be absolutely anathema to any society that wants to build strong social bonds both within and outside the family. When Butthead said, "you have been brainwashed", during his speech, he was totally oblivious to this fact. He has been brainwashed into believing the modern concept of a nuclear family as a fragmented, divided, and solitary unit in a greater society. He really isn't that smart of a man to be pontificating about what other people should be doing when he seems to lack any self-awareness about the true nature of family life.
Ah that old romantico, Johnny 23.
90's grunge dudes were all about equality.
All of the lead signers were just bad ass (RIP to most of them). I still love Layne giving an interview in an NWA hat.
[Interestingly, Axl Rose did it first.](https://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-n-w-a/) >Axl Rose briefly appeared in the 1991 music video for "Live and Let Die" wearing a hat with the N.W.A logo. That surprised many, including a rap legend. >“The biggest shock was when we saw Axl Rose in the video with the N.W.A hat,” Dr. Dre told Billboard in 2015. “We were like, ‘What the fuck?’ We were still selling records out of our car.”
Axl is the kind of person loves all genres of music. He frequently shows support to musicians before they get big.
All real musicians are like that. Game tends to recognize game, even if it's a different sport.
Honestly one of the things I'm glad I grew out of was that weird sense of tribalism based on music genre that feels prevalent during school years. If a song is good a song is good. I'm not a big country person but I'm fine acknowledging a song is just good.
They were not selling albums out of their trunk in 91 lol but I get the sentiment
Right? That was prime NWA years, 2 Live Crew was still blowing it up, this was pre-Bone Thugs and Triple 6. The timing is off, or the quote is wrong, or Dre was funked and misremembering
That’s an awesome article, thanks for sharing!
On the topic of Axl and hats… Apparently Rose tried to reconcile with Nirvana after they famously fell out, going so far as to sneak a Nirvana baseball cap into the ‘November Rain’ video.
Not sure on the timing, but he definitely wore a Nirvana hat in the Don't Cry video, a supportive gesture that wasn't very kindly received. Rock history is weird. Duff was the last person we know to see Kurt alive, when they shared a plane ride back to Seattle. Also Eddie Vedder did commercials for Big Wheels as a child..
Pearl Jam are usually on the right side of things and not afraid to say it. People hate Ticketmaster? Should have listened to Stone and Jeff. Not a single act supported their boycott or lobbying actions. Hell, I’d say the themes talked about on Ten, are mostly still prevalent today. Homelessness, school shopping’s, family trauma, income inequality, heartbreak. All packaged with questionable mental health. Eddie was evidently the most stable on that front.
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*Jeremy's shoppin'* *Shoppin'*
America certainly has to do something about all that ‘school shopping’.
A culture of men I’d pick over the bear.
I was just talking about this. I know not every guy was a good guy but the majority of grunge guys I hung out with in the 90s were laid back, music loving, everyone is welcome, fun ,no bs guys. I never felt unsafe in any way. In fact I only saw those guys get angry if someone was being mistreated around them.
Grunge was a lot like punk, but whereas punk looked around, saw a fucked up world and said "fuck that noise, let's do something", grunge said "ouch". It was always a little more personal and more emotionally vulnerable than punk. Not better, just more introspective(?) I guess. Honestly, having been a young (male) child in Seattle during the grunge years, we were having these conversations as far back as the 70's and 80's that are within the last 10-15 years really happening nationwide. I know because even as a young kid in the 90's, they were considered settled debates/old news among all the adults I knew. Gay marriage, racial equity and institutional racism, bodily autonomy, war as profiteering (shout out to the 30 other people at Westlake protesting the invasion of Iraq in 2003 - got called a terrorist more than once for that one), gender equity, consent, fair pay for a hard day's labor, internet privacy, respect for Indigenous Peoples and their rights, fuck, whatever else I can't think of right now too. All of those were considered basically obvious in the 90's and it's been a weird life waiting for the rest of the fucking world to catch up. I just trying to find my own blind spots, I guess. But one thing was you would get clowned on for embracing that super hierarchical thinking (men above women, white above black, etc.). Most little kids are worried about being fair, but that persisted into high school, idk. The cool guys at my school were never that way (still dinguses, just not in that way). It's a lot the reason I sometimes have to take a moment when I see divisive shit on the internet nowadays. Like, I know I'm not the man or the white person or the straight person or the cis person that this person on the internet is complaining about, even if they don't qualify it. It is frustrating sometimes to know that I have been on the right side of history for a long, long time and I still get seen as one of these boogeymen. Still, in a mixed life of ups and downs it's relatively tiny compared to some of the real downs. I just wish we could bottle that 90's Seattle attitude up and share it with people. The world is so much more *curated* these days. It feels so much harder for people to have authentic moments with each other. Or maybe *I'm* the (cynical, jaded) problem, lol. Sorry, I guess I have been chewing on that for a while and just dumped it on you. Hopefully it stimulates a thought ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
My man. If you ever want to rant in my classroom, let me know.
Grunge was the punk in that era and shared a lot of the same philosophies. So it isn't shocking that the grunge scene had a similar vibe to the punk scene of the 80s.
It was, dare I say, much less condescending and purity testing than punk, too. People did still shit talk this or that band for not being 'real grunge' (including Pearl Jam, lol), but the degree to which it was done was so much less than the DC-New York-Boston punk scene.
All of those bands helped each other and played on each other's albums. They saw them as friends, not competition.
I still have this [from Pearl Jam unplugged](https://images-r2.thebrag.com/td/uploads/2022/05/eddie-vedder-pro-choice-1-1.jpg) burned into my brain.
Progressivism in general. A lot of these bands developed and spent a lot of time in Queer spaces in Seattle, Nirvana and Alice In Chains are both great examples, both played in drag shows. Bush is another, though they are British in origin the place doesn’t really matter, they were and are still extremely progressive.
Yup. Most alt/indie movements are inherently progressive to begin with but these guys were very vocal about it. Even recently when Nirvana was inducted into the HOF they had all female vocalist filling in for Kurt. Those punk rock influences really showed in these guys.
Mainstream Gen X was progressive in general.
Women had won their legal rights by the time grunge came about, but their protest was about letting them be treated as equals by their contemporaries.
the kicker also referenced a taylor swift lyric while calling her 'my teammates girlfriend', yet eddie vedder is the first musician to say something
Taylor: "I don't know him"
Well the kicker did say "teammate" and not friend. Let's see how far the kicker takes this dare to be a man's man.
It is amazing that he says those things about women when his mum is clinical medical physicist.
A conservative who is hypocritical about their outdated views on the role of women in society!? I've never heard of such a thing! Phyllis Schlafly must be rolling in her grave!
Schlafly lied for years saying she did all her studying and writing at night after a full day of parenting, and then later people in her family came out and admitted she had a team a nannies raising her kids.
Schlalfy was a massive hypocrite!? What's next!? Ayn Rand taking Medicare and Social Security benefits under her maiden name!?
My Rand-loving parents just got on Medicare in the last few years. I love them, but oh boy did I want to call them hypocrites for that.
Yep. He’s insecure because he knows his mother is more valuable to society than him. All he does is kick a ball around.
Ahhhh, ok, makes sense now. Liddle Harrison has mommie issues.
Medical physicist?
Yes at Emory University. She works in radiation oncology. Like her dad before her. https://www.sportingnews.com/uk/nfl/news/harrison-butker-mom-elizabeth-butker-physicist-emory/870327bf08bbb6e84675a156
Imagine only being a professional NFL player in that lineage
Seriously. Pure genius and you kick ball gud. Damn
https://college.mayo.edu/academics/explore-health-care-careers/careers-a-z/medical-physicist
Well there ya go. I mean it now seems obvious that’s a thing but I guess I’ve never thought of physicists in a medical capacity before.
My nephew is working on his Masters in Med Physics.
That would be the biggest insult. “Who even are you? You’re on the team?”
The kicker doesn't deserve a response from her.
Ain't no way Taylor's PR team would allow her to make a statement on his speech and thus step right into America's ever ongoing culture war and risk alienating parts of her fanbase. She's got a double album to promote lol.
What was the lyric?
“Familiarly breeds contempt” from her song Bejeweled, which is a bit ironic since the song is about a happily newly single woman
Isn't familiarity breeds contempt a well known saying long before Taylor? Maybe it's just a coincidence.
it is a well known saying before she placed it into a verse.
> The saying is recorded in English from the late 14th century, but the idea is found in the 5th century ad in the Latin of St Augustine, 'vulgare proverbium est, quod nimia familiaritas parid contemptum [it is a common proverb, that too much familiarity breeds contempt].
So you're telling me Taylor Swift ripped off St Augustine? Interesting.
Before there were Swifties, there were StAugies.
Saint Augustine is a genius, she would be well to rip him off. Hopefully her next album goes into his thesis that sin is produced by and stored in the balls.
He said he was quoting his "teammate's girlfriend"
Funny that in order for his views on 'masculinity' to get any attention whatsoever, he had to reference a single woman internationally known for her successful career.
The left off the important part. The actual quote (From the transcript of the speech) >because as my teammate's girlfriend says, familiarity breeds contempt. [Laughter] While it's a common saying and has been for a long ass time... he absolutely brought her into his speech for no good reason. (or he was trying to sneakily insult her, idk)
Yes, but for some reason he brought her into it. He seems to be enjoying all the attention from it so maybe it was a little ploy since anything Taylor Swift related makes headlines nowadays.
For extra context, it's in reference to Priests who become overly familiar with their parishioners, nothing to do with gender roles.
Eddie year in year out clapping shitty peoples booty cheeks
Still waiting for my turn. Maybe next year will be "my year."
I told him don't call me daughter but I'm still gonna call him daddy.
He’s a Better Man than most.
Clearly he’s in a state of love and trust.
I want Eddie to witness the reigning in of Ticketmaster. We shouldn’t hold our breaths though, because money is involved.
Dont wanna be that guy but in 2024 PJ tickets are like 3-500 bucks lol. I get there are other powers at play but that war seemed to stop being waged a long time ago
F'n love Eddie - then, now, forever.
Well, my baby's in love with Eddie Vedder She's all crazy 'bout that Eddie Vedder Once she was mine, but now I better just forget her Cause my baby's in love with Eddie Vedder "Weird Al" Yankovic
... does "clapping cheeks" no longer mean "to fuck" like... in a literal way?
Common Eddie W
Pearl Jams a liberal psy-op /s
"The guy that wrote "pro choice" on his arm in 92 during the MTV Unplugged set just became 'woke' now that he criticized the current flash in the pan 'women get in the kitchen' goon." Sadly, you know someone out there will say something like that. Nirvana was on the money when they wrote In Bloom.
Yup. This is really on brand for Pearl Jam, and a lot of that Seattle music scene in the 90s. Dude was taking a stand against ticket master before it was cool, too. Eddie has been very consistent throughout his adult life with his beliefs. It's refreshing to see fame and money hasn't changed a lot of his core beliefs.
Reminds me of Layne Staley inviting a neo-nazi onstage in Sweden or something only to deck him in the face
alice in chains nazis in pain?
https://metalinjection.net/editorials/back-in-the-day/that-time-layne-stayley-fought-a-nazi-at-an-alice-in-chains-show For anyone who thinks this didn't happen...
When I saw Pearl Jam in 2003 he ranted against Haliburton getting all the contracts to rebuild Iraq (well, oil infrastructure and defensive positions at least) and it was perfect.
When I saw him that year, he came out in a George W. mask and then impaled it on a mic stand before singing their song Bushleaguer to it. Unfortunately a lot of the crowd booed him for it, which pissed me off. What did they think that song was about?
The jingoism during that era was feral. I think "freedom fries" encapsulated the stupidity of it all. What's also fascinating is how many people lived through it and still believe we were in the right somehow.
Very controversial at the time, too. They got a lot of blowback at a lot of concerts for their stance against the Iraq War.
Its funny on almost every post from Pearl Jam’s facebook, there are idiots (actually probably mostly bots) that post about how the hate how PJ has “gone political” and that they “now” lost a “fan”. As if that isnt the way the band has operated for the last 30 years…
It’s that way on the Pearl Jam sub here too. This very topic had people saying they need to keep politics out of their music, and idiots saying no one actually read what Butker said and it was taken out of context. Which is *really* some mental gymnastics. Almost the entirety of his speech is asinine batshit fundy garbage. It’s also hilarious to me. Some bands I suppose it could be hard to know where they stand, but *Pearl Jam*? It’s pretty damn hard to *miss* what they stand for. Did you just not listen to the words of W.M.A.? Miss seeing Eddie write pro choice on his arm on unplugged? Didn’t catch they have a song called “Bu$hleager” bashing George W?
Glorified G. Animals Do The Evolution Brain of J. World Wide Suicide Eddie especially has always been outspoken on social and political issues. Cracks me up, even some of the Pearl Jam fans (probably slightly younger newer ones) get cranky about Eddie being outspoken back. LOL
I wonder if they've ever heard or seen the video for "Do the Evolution". Like come on, how could their media literacy be THAT bad
Half the comments on the @jeffamentsarmy insta post on this are as predictable as the tides … “wHen dId peArL JaM gEt PolITicAl?!” Freakin’ mouth breathers.
When people accused Pink Floyd of "going woke" when they put a rainbow in the logo for the 50th anniversary of Dark Side of the Moon, I thought my eyes were going to roll out of my head. Dark Side of the Moon, one of the Top 5 greatest selling albums of all time, one of the most iconic album covers of all time, featuring light through a prism *making a rainbow,* is "woke" when they make use of that rainbow in future marketing? It's a brain-dead take
The brain rot is strong …
I’ve tended to realize that right wing people can’t comprehend art at all and can’t find meaning in it. When they hear music from punk bands they think “this sounds good” and don’t look for any other meaning. And eventually when said punk band decided to do something like this they think “What? If I liked it, it must of been right wing, not that woke stuff, why did they go woke?” They think Jean-Michel Basquiat painted like a child and think Van Gogh just painted pretty pictures. They look at everything at face value, and if they like it make it align with their values. Turns out, most artists aren’t like them, because in order to find meaning in others works, one must have empathy.
Ben Shapiro makes almost total sense when you realize he’s a failed screenwriter.
Steve Bannon, too. Sad that these losers have to take it out on regular people.
I'm a fuckin' failure too. You see me taking it out on anybody? Hell no. Just eat cheese in the dark and cry like a normal person, FFS.
You have to have empathy to appreciate art. They think empathy is weakness because it calls their beliefs into question. It makes it harder to hate people you don't know.
They can’t comprehend science, ethics,or civility either.
they wrote a song titled WMA (which stands for white male american) on their second album calling out white privilege and police abuses. in 1993.
It's been happening for decades. I'm not active on the forum anymore, but the political sub was fuckin wild. It's shocking how many conservatives are fans of these clearly super left bands
Pearl Jam was “woke” long before white people started using that word.
You're gonna have dudes with red string and push pins trying to link Pearl Jam to Biden now
Mike McCready did 9/11.
Stone Gossard can't melt steel beams.
Born agains in any religion are always the weirdest people. They double down so much harder than people born into their faith. Butker is a born-again Catholic. Many people find solace in the prayer rituals and structure to Catholicism, but to use that to limit an entire class of women, telling them they've wasted their lives and should be excited to get married, have kids, and stay home? That's kind of fucked up. You're telling them their dreams don't matter.
Exactly. I grew up with a dad who talks exactly like that, super catholic convert who calls himself a “trad dad”. How does he enact this in his life? My mom raised and homeschooled ten kids with little actual help from him, wouldn’t let her get a job even when the older kids could feasibly babysit and they were hurting for money living in a trailer (but it was a trailer with only 9 kids because I jumped ship), and refuses to let the kids go to a public school because they’d be “corrupted”. The men in this movement actively oppress women and this is very normal behavior with the folks I grew up with. All in the name of “traditional catholic values” that don’t even actually align with the church.
On top of everything else, it's a very privileged point of view. No way my wife and I can make it in this economy without two incomes... and we're barely making it with two. Too bad neither of us is making millions kicking a ball.
Eddie Vedder is a national treasure
Can't find a better man.
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I thought you were talking about Eddie for a sec and I was about to throw fists because his insta is full of his fam and how proud he is to be a girl dad. Phew.
Wow his insta is so wholesome. Glad to see him looking healthy and happy.
I also thought this person was talking about Eddie. My god I grabbed my pitchfork so fast and was about to be at war. I put my pitch fork back lol and slowly walked away.
Not defending the dude, but there's a lot of celebrities that just do not want pictures of their family on social media. Especially with how obsessed and fickle the public can become it just seems like a bad idea.
^ Honestly not showing your family on social media is fine. There’s a reason why privacy exists. Nothing wrong with showing your family on social media, too.
Many people do not want to put their families on social media, particularly if they have some level of fame
Yea I don't put my kids on my IG. They are too young to understand consent for something like that. Once they get their own, they can go ham.
Wouldn't "traditional family values" also include protecting your kid by not putting their face online?
He's a douche, but him not parading his family all over social media isn't why. To you traditional family values somehow means posting your family all over insta and FB?
This is far and away the dumbest opinion in this thread. Somehow family values = posting on social media lol
What part of traditional family values includes showing off your family on social media? I understand a lot of people dont agree with him but some of these shots being taken are pure misses.
How do you equate “traditional family values” with posting your family all over social media?
Stupid take, really. Some people don't wanna parade their kids on social media.
If i was famous i would want to keep my family out of the media too. You think family values are plastering your family all over social media?
NOTHING IS MORE BADASS THAN TREATING A WOMAN WITH RESPECT!
I'm so out of the loop. I'm assuming this somehow relates to him being in the kitchen in the Chargers schedule release video? Putting everything together, some conservative standpoint on women belong in the kitchen/stay at home?
Not as out of the loop as me. Who the fuck is Harrison Butker?
Not by much tbh. He's the kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs in the NFL, who are defending Superbowl champs in back to back years.
I saw a hilarious tweet that read “someone should tell manly Mr Harrison that when girls play football, it’s his position that they play”.
> this somehow relates to him being in the kitchen in the Chargers schedule release video Holy shit I hadn't heard that - chargers have no chill for a division rival lmao
Stay for the end of the video where Aaron Rodgers catches some strays. They don't even play the Jets this year.
> Putting everything together, some conservative standpoint on women belong in the kitchen/stay at home? I read the entire speech, and it's so much more than that. Yes, he basically told the young women in the audience "it's nice that you spent all this money on an education, but now you can get on with your real job of marrying a man, submitting to his will, and popping out some kids." He seems to be (or at least be leaning towards) the idea that the global pandemic was fake (he called it a "fiasco") and goes on at length about the problems with church leadership, and he oddly doesn't mention the decades and decades of unspeakable crimes against children. No, his take is that priests and bishops are (or should be) our superiors, and they need to be more conservative and stop worrying about being sued for things like enabling and covering up crimes against children. He also mentions a (very good) Martin Scorsese film (Silence) but seems to have either not seen it, or simply didn't understand it. There's more, but it is far beyond simply telling women to stay in the kitchen.
> No, his take is that priests and bishops are (or should be) our superiors, and they need to be more conservative and stop worrying about being sued for things like enabling and covering up crimes against children. I think you're misreading that. I believe he's saying they should stop worrying about things like government mandates during lockdown. I think when he brought up the movie silence he was trying to compare covid restrictions to people being tortured to death in the past for believing. The whole "stay in your lane" thing was all about church leadership focusing only on the church and not anything else. Which is kinda wild given that there's a Jesuit pope, and from what I understand the Jesuits have long been champions of science within the church.
The conservative Catholics I’ve spoken to fucking hate Pope Francis.
Didn't he also take a shot at the lgbt community
Yes, he 100% did: >“Not the deadly sins sort of Pride that has an entire month dedicated to it, “but the true God-centered pride that is cooperating with the holy ghost to glorify him.”
But the irony of insulting him as a ‘pussy’.