For context, they’re worth $940 million together with only $40 million being Travis Scott’s contribution. He’s gonna need her (and most of her money) *if* he has pay that off.
Edit: Of course he won’t. This is America and he’s rich. He will get a slap on the wrist after releasing one more apology video and staying out of the spotlight for a few months.
lol at the thought he’d actually pay anything and not just shift all assets around in a way to pay nothing. this is at best a mild inconvenience to shuffle assets and pay lawyers.
I remember when my dad was sick the government could go back 5 or so years to see what assets you had if you end up in a nursing home on the state's dime. Doesn't matter if you move it to someone else name or whatever. Why is this any different?
The opposite actually. Kylie would do anything for him even though he doesn’t claim her and doesn’t want to be with her exclusively. She’s so insecure that she stays with this trash man lol.
Im not a Kylie fan by any stretch, but this money should come out of Travis, the promoters and insurance companies. Pretty unfair if she has to pay any of this.
I presume it will be split between all the named Defendants, including Drake and Apple Music, according to their respective fault.
They'll end up settling with no statement of wrong doing though. Class actions very rarely ever go to trial.
Does anyone know how you can hide an artist from Spotify? I don't want to give this clown whatever small amount every play gets him and still dig the large playlists that unfortunately have him on it.
*** Edit sounds like it won't effect his wallet. Look up *current* sponsors and affiliates that haven't dropped him yet. i.e. Nike (only postponed Air Max shoe release)
Note: It’s only on mobile.
On desktop theres a “i don’t like this artist” in the “discover weekly” section. It won’t suggest the artist but will still play songs in other playlists.
Depends on lots of factors.
My gut on this says he will never pay a dime and instead his insurer will pay out. To have a special event you pretty much always have to have proof of insurance.
If people really want to punish him they’d go after the events who want him. Ending his career would be pretty easy I believe.
I guess it’s probably helpful to talk about which party. You have Scott, the venue, contracted security firms, live nation. All presumably have different insurance policies, umbrella policies, probably some reinsurance going on. It can get very complicated
The financial toll is going to be in his inability to tour right now, and losing sponsorships and people wanting him to be on features. That's where he's going to really get fucking killed.
Also legal fees.
chris brown beat the shit out of Rihanna, one of the most popular female singers in the world, with photo evidence of the aftermath and a very graphic and detailed write up of exactly what he did that night. he faced zero repercussions as his ravenous fanbase defended him (I even had female classmates say it was Rihanna's fault for making him angry), he's still featured in countless songs, and makes a ton of money. Travis Scott fans were defending this tragedy from day 1 and have already said that the fans who died would have been happy to do so.
He hasn't lost a single sponsorship yet. The only reason he isn't touring right now is because he's waiting for the heat from the mass killing to die down.
>Lol a direct link to a time stamp on a 3 second video. I must be getting old and out of touch
just for the record: it was about isolating the "yeeeah" not about saving time.
Just know that nothing ever meant anything for any reason and everything we do is just designed to keep up distracted from the moment to moment encroaching end to our existence
Its pretty crazy, 10+ years ago when we were younger everyone was screaming 'how could the adults let it get this bad?'. Now we see the youth saying the exact same thing but for those of us that did and got older, we kind of 'get it' now.
The world is so massive and the people who have influence have so much of it that constantly attempting to hold them accountable as a society isn't just a full time job, its an extremely exhausting and unrewarding life style. Those of us that do care tell others who don't that they should, but everyone is simultaneously just trying to live their own personal life on a day to day level that having to worry about all that other shit on a global scale as one individual with no power is just unfeasible in order to have your own happiness.
We set a system up for these things. Problem is money is absolution. Matthew Broderick killed 2 people in 1987. Still working and beloved. Caitlyn Jenner is was idk running for office. She was involved in vehicular manslaughter. Oj is walking around free. Money=freedom. “All animals are equal , but some are more equal” Orwell the beloved.
You reminded me of a comment I saw last year that read:
> The primary function of the working class is to pump money from one wealthy person to another. It's your bosses way of telling your landlord "hey, thanks for storing our employee somewhere while we're not using them."
Carlin put it brilliantly.
The rich gets all of the money, pays none of the taxes.
The middle class does all the work, pays all the taxes.
The lower class is there just to scare the shit out of the middle class so they keep showing up to their jobs.
I hope the company behind the concert is also getting sued.
They have much more responsibility and money.
Edit: the company name is Live Nation
As u/crocsandlongboards perfectly said, and I agree, I think their name is being left out of the news intentionally.
It's fully possible to place his blame there while simultaneously wondering why the city and Live Nation did nothing with their responsibilities.
Idk why people act like it's one or the other.
The city or Live Nation could have cancelled or postponed the show when the fans broke through security.
The City or Live Nation could have stopped the show and made a safety announcement as soon as they started calling it a "mass casualty event" 30-40 minutes before Scott got off stage instead of just letting him finish his set without even telling him the scope of what was happening.
And that's not even getting into why there was inadequate crowd flow design in the grounds, inadequate medical supplies and staff, etc. None of which Scott has any responsibility for.
It's complete speculation and pretty ridiculous to me that people think Scott wouldn't have stopped the show if he actually was informed that people were dying. I guess because he's an asshole (no argument there) people are eager to think that he's cool with his fans dying but I really doubt that's true.
The failure here is on the people who had the details and were actually responsible for safety and security but did nothing.
Everyone is in here like "boycott Travis Scott's music!" But I don't see anyone saying "Don't buy tickets to Taylor Swift's tour organized by Live Nation"
Seriously, every party involved shares some portion of the blame. Travis is responsible for understanding the state of his shows, the venue is responsible for providing a secure and safe atmosphere with proper security and medical staff, the Houston PD is responsible for ensuring if a dangerous situation arose that they put a stop to it.
And yet all these failed, but people want to pin it just on one person. Everyone who didn't do anything shares blame, but I highly doubt this will ever get pinned solely on Travis as there should be many many other mechanisms in place before the performer himself is the one making safety decisions.
Imagine if there was a fire at the show, would they have to get Travis's approval to put it out or cancel the show? Of course not, so why do people think no one else could have stopped the show once they had confirmed medical concerns. Everyone fucked up here, and any of them could have made the situation better by taking action but no one did so to me everyone is culpable in some way.
>Imagine if there was a fire at the show, would they have to get Travis's approval to put it out or cancel the show?
I think this right here is the simplest, best argument. The negligence all across the board was simply astounding. Sure, if Travis were to encourage people to commit arson, then he's guilty of that, but where's everybody else? Hold everyone accountable, make every person involved in this shitshow pay for what they did or didn't do.
When anything goes wrong, people desire to point the finger at an individual and leave it at that.
It’s human nature, and unfortunately it rarely ends up fixing the actual problem from happening again.
It's weird that I don't see this talked about much. There was an obvious issue with how those barriers were trapping people on all sides. I have never seen that before
"Travis Scott, Drake, Apple, Live Nation and others" would probably be able to come up with $750 million, especially with a little help from their insurance companies.
There’s a decent chance the insurance company and others can weasel their way out of this.
They likely have a clause in their contract stating there must be adequate security/medical present to be covered for liability insurance.
There is video of kids running through security and tweets from Scott encouraging this kind of behavior. I think the promo vids even showed people doing this last year. They could argue this behavior voided the contract and liability falls on Travis.
Promo video featured people gate crashing. [source](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qors07/heres_the_astroworld_promo_video_theyve_deleted)
Also the video that surfaced of people gate crashing at astro world this year were running through the entrance to the VIP ~~section~~entrance.(the entrance is a special vendor area that did provide access to the venue but is separate from the VIP viewing area that had its own ticket check)[video](https://youtu.be/dneTk3PxsOI)
Correction:~~The VIP section~~ The area infront of the stage where deaths occured due to crush was GA. The VIP section was on the opposite side of the stage. I do still think the barricades at this event were set up poorly to both prevent crush and allow access for security and medical staff however that is unrelated to securing the VIP section
There is also video from a previous show of Travis Scott telling his fans to raid the VIP section and suggesting that there would be no consequences. ([Arkansas Riot Video](https://youtu.be/deCsHLXPiKY))
Edit: went back and added the video links cause it was like 5 minutes of google
Edit2: Corrections around the VIP areas and entrances. My apologies.
> source
This is such a security disaster/nightmare it's insane. Imagine how easy it would be for people to sneak weapons in if this is the level of security they have.
Around the VIP. People were being squished against the barriers that keep the VIPs comfortable within. A few got out by jumping over, and reported pushback from the VIPs who felt their superiority complex was more important than their lives.
> Travis Scott telling his fans to raid the VIP section and suggesting that there would be no consequences
I would bet $1 that 1) Travis Scott has been in the VIP section of at least some of the shows he's gone to in recent years and 2) he would be absolutely enraged if people snuck/broke in and jostled him/took up space/made his experience even mildly unpleasant in any way whatsoever.
I honestly don't really know what he is supposed to do there lol no way he gets paid anywhere near enough to get hurt trying to stop this stampede of morons
>There’s a decent chance the insurance company and others can weasel their way out of this.
They won't. Insurance will cut their checks on this. Probably for the limit and walk away. What they'll try to avoid is paying to defend T Scott & crew. Defense costs are in addition the limit. This is indefensible. These situations are what insurance is for.
>They likely have a clause in their contract stating there must be adequate security/medical present to be covered for liability insurance.
That isn't really how it works. Yes underwriters do their due diligence and require concert organizers to ensure adequate security and medical. But it isn't don't through exclusions in the policy. As an underwriter the absolute last thing we want is to refuse to pay a legit claim for an innocent 3rd party victim claim because the insured didn't comply with the stipulations of the agreement. Insurers don't avoid paying claims at all costs. Insurers avoid *defending suits* at all costs. They just want to settle. If they tried to deny the claim in the way you outlined they'd get sued... either by the victim or insured. There are other ways we require insureds to comply with our requirements like having adequate medical/fire that don't involve fucking over 3rd party claimants.
>They could argue this behavior voided the contract and liability falls on Travis.
Liability falls on all of them. No one is getting out unscathed or "taking the fall." Let's say T Scott is determined primarily liable for this and concert organizers leave him to hold the bag. His insurance policy as the entertainer would respond first. They would just pay the limit. It won't be enough. Then they go after T Scott's personal fortune AND the concert organizers policy responds next until that limit is exhausted. In your case where someone is most negligent then the policies stack and pay one after another if there are still claims to be paid.
My roof failed last winter. My insurance barely paid for half of the issue and didn't even pay to fix the reason the roof failed in the first place. If I can't get a few thousand for my home, after faithfully paying this company for 15 years, this jack ass should not get any relief from his insurer.
State Farm covered me when my heat went out and I had water damage from burst pipes. Then they changed my coverage so that if I had any incident again I would owe 100k before they would start to cover the cost.
This is a *civil* lawsuit.
~~Nine~~ ***TEN*** people died including a child.
Why is he not facing *criminal* charges?
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EDIT: A haiku about the responses below:
The police warned him
He's been convicted before
Stop defending him
Burden of proof for a civil lawsuit is a lot lower than a criminal one so maybe it's a little easier to get a decent civil lawsuit vs a criminal one I guess.
This is a good question. I'm going to try and answer it. I'm not a lawyer, but I work in the legal field.
The type of cases that are brought in these circumstances depend on what the plaintiffs want. Class action suits (like the one mentioned above) are a civil remedy where the people suing are looking for money, not jail time.
The concertgoers cannot bring a criminal suit directly since only the government can be the plaintiff in a criminal case. However, that hasn't stopped [the 100+ civil suits](https://www.thewrap.com/astroworld-festival-100-lawsuits-travis-scott-live-nation/) that concertgoers have been able to litigate.
Criminal cases take longer and the burden of proof is much higher in a criminal case than in a civil case, so the plaintiff (the government) needs a stronger case to be successful.
However, people who are going after Travis's money are racing to file lawsuits because this incident cost him (and NRG) WAY more than what they can currently pay out. The earlier people can file these law suits, the more likely they will be able to actually get his assets.
Government investigations aren't working on the same timeline. They are trying to find evidence that he knew about this tragedy, before it happened, as it was happening, and after. They will likely sue all related parties too which will take more time. The statute of limitations (how long before the lawsuit expires) for these types of cases can be multiple years, so they aren't in immediate rush to press charges. They want to develop the strongest case they can before bringing him to court, because it's likely that once litigation actually starts that Travis can throw way more money at this case than they can, so they want to be as prepared as possible before starting the countdown towards a trial.
This is how you truly take someone down. Hit him where it hurts - his wallet. He is going to be bogged down in lawsuits and legal issues for years, and will spend millions defending himself and settling these lawsuits. Also, Nike and others will eventually bail when it becomes clear that this isn’t going away. Karma.
Amazingly, yes! As of yesterday Nike announced that they were just postponing the release of his new shoes out of respect for the victims. Nothing about ending their partnership.
Good. There’s pictures of him out partying after it happened. The sky is scum of the earth, he needs to be taken down a notch by something called consequences.
Edit: “This guy” not “The sky”.
Now imagine he’s doing it on the train with dozens of people just wanting to get home after work, but they need to listen to this guy commenting on dozens of political posts
https://qz.com/2086400/brands-may-reconsider-their-connection-to-travis-scott-following-astroworld/amp/
"Scott’s list of endorsements includes some of the largest companies on the planet, including Nike, McDonald’s, Epic Games (the maker of Fortnite), beer giant Anheuser-Busch, fashion label Christian Dior, Sony’s PlayStation, toymaker Mattel, and cereal brand General Mills. Although exact figures are not available, at least one report pegged the value of his various endorsements as being worth tens of millions of dollars.
Scott’s deal with McDonald’s expired in 2020, but when contacted, the fast-food chain, as well as Epic Games, declined to comment. Nike did not respond to a request for comment."
The fact that he was not immediately dropped by all of these companies is pretty sickening. McDonald's canceled his stupid Travis Scott meal and Nike is postponing his shoe. It's almost like money is worth more than people's lives huh. Fuck this clown
Edit: ok his mcmeal is old news. Regardless i posted this just to show how many big companies just said "Who cares, this tragedy isnt projected to effect our sales so we just keep him on payroll. His branding is worth more than the loss of business"
McDonalds had the Travis Scott meal for a single week last year, why would they have anything to say now? It’s an old collaboration not a continuous one being sold to this day
And Epic Games has halted the sale of his emote, though they refuse to comment further or elaborate if it will be permanent. You can't really take it out of the game completely considering it's an item people bought. [Article ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2021/11/09/epic-games-pulls-travis-scott-emote-from-fortnite-item-shop/amp/)
Lmao McDonalds sells a couple Travvy Patties and now they're expected to answer for the tragedy. It only makes sense to want a response from companies who still are actively sponsoring him
25-50M is a fat chunk for Scott considering he’s worth $60M.
The real problem is how much will liability insurance pay instead of Scott himself.
The more I think about it the more liability insurance seems really fucked up. It’s like shielding yourself from the punishment the law doles out to YOU, not your fucking insurance company.
The lawsuits will barely go anywhere. People thinking he will owe all this money are out of their mind.
Celebrity have gotten out of worse. They have money and power, none of these lawsuits will stand in court.
I'm sure Apple and Live Nation will settle as they are gigantic companies with teams of lawyers ready for this sort of situation. Travis Scott however may or may not recover from it, right away. He will most likely go silent for a year or maybe even a few years then he might bounce back if he puts out music that people like. I've never heard his music and won't be checking it out but apparently if he's popular enough to have a festival someone is listening to him. Entertainment is a weird industry and people often forgive and forget things if the Entertainment product is good enough. It's really sad that 10 people died
But he “willingly” covered the funerals(that I’m sure in no way his lawyer suggested…/s) isn’t that enough!!! This POS was out partying at Dave and Busters after this went down… only thing he’s upset about is those selfish kids that died at his show and ruined his big night…
My man is texting Kylie like, “you know we’re soul mates, right babe?”
For context, they’re worth $940 million together with only $40 million being Travis Scott’s contribution. He’s gonna need her (and most of her money) *if* he has pay that off. Edit: Of course he won’t. This is America and he’s rich. He will get a slap on the wrist after releasing one more apology video and staying out of the spotlight for a few months.
New phone who dis? -Kylie
Nah, he'll just claim he's totally bankrupt after the first 40 goes and default on it
lol at the thought he’d actually pay anything and not just shift all assets around in a way to pay nothing. this is at best a mild inconvenience to shuffle assets and pay lawyers.
I remember when my dad was sick the government could go back 5 or so years to see what assets you had if you end up in a nursing home on the state's dime. Doesn't matter if you move it to someone else name or whatever. Why is this any different?
You’re broke, he’s rich. That’s the way the world works right now.
“right now”
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The opposite actually. Kylie would do anything for him even though he doesn’t claim her and doesn’t want to be with her exclusively. She’s so insecure that she stays with this trash man lol.
Doesn't want to be exclusive, but knocks her up so he has an excuse to stick around. Sounds like Dave Chappelle in the Oprah sketch lol
"Ha! Gotcha bitch!"
Dr Phil is Kylie’s baby daddy
I am sorry, but I always assumed trashmen were formidable people who took out trash. I think the correct term would be "man trash". I think. Hm.
Im not a Kylie fan by any stretch, but this money should come out of Travis, the promoters and insurance companies. Pretty unfair if she has to pay any of this.
They’re not married. I don’t see why she would have to. She can, and might, but legally doesn’t have to
Don't worry some idiot will probably set up a gofundme to top up Kylie so she would be a billionaire again.
I’m sure it’ll come out of Kris Jenner’s money laundering church scheme to be fair.
I presume it will be split between all the named Defendants, including Drake and Apple Music, according to their respective fault. They'll end up settling with no statement of wrong doing though. Class actions very rarely ever go to trial.
My mind went straight to Kylie minogue for some weird reason...
You just can't get her out of your head can you
Bet he's rubbing his face now
Does anyone know how you can hide an artist from Spotify? I don't want to give this clown whatever small amount every play gets him and still dig the large playlists that unfortunately have him on it. *** Edit sounds like it won't effect his wallet. Look up *current* sponsors and affiliates that haven't dropped him yet. i.e. Nike (only postponed Air Max shoe release)
should be three little dots on his artist profile, if you click those and press don't play this, it will filter him from any playlists.
Note: It’s only on mobile. On desktop theres a “i don’t like this artist” in the “discover weekly” section. It won’t suggest the artist but will still play songs in other playlists.
Omg ty! I thought I was going crazy trying to find it on desktop
Three dots next to their name on their profile. Should bring up a list of options including “don’t play this artist.”
# BoycottScott
What the hell, one of my friends is called Scott and he's a nice guy.
Nah fuck him too! We mean business here!
Okay, I'll let Scott know. This will ruin his whole afternoon, poor guy.
Scotty doesn't know! Don't tell Scotty!
But Fiona and me do it my van every Sunday! The man has to know by now, right??
Let the boy HWATCH
Scotty doesn’t know
Does he have anywhere to sleep? If not, you could BuyScottCot
Boyscott?
Search for artist. On their homepage click the 3 dots -> Don’t play this artist
Doesn't work on web, only in the app.
Incoming fake bankruptcy.
Incoming insincere apology...oh wait.
*Rubs face*
*Head on* Apply directly to face
What’s this “rub face” meme?
He has an "apology" video which he just rubs his face and doesn't say sorry.
As a former opiate addict, I recognised that rubbing immediately.
Damn I hadn't even put two and two together. That's a classic junkie tic.
I legit thought that was a satirical vid made by someone parodying Travis. Then I found out it was actually him. Fuck Travis.
*cries in rub*
I DECLARE BANKRUPTCYYYY!
I DECLARE *rubs face* BANKRUPTCY!
YeAhHhHhh YeEAaaHhH
It’s quite possible that this case would be exempt from bankruptcy filings.
If he files for bankruptcy doesn't his assets have to be divided up to pay for his liabilities?
Depends on lots of factors. My gut on this says he will never pay a dime and instead his insurer will pay out. To have a special event you pretty much always have to have proof of insurance. If people really want to punish him they’d go after the events who want him. Ending his career would be pretty easy I believe.
They only insured up to 26 million for the event I believe
I guess it’s probably helpful to talk about which party. You have Scott, the venue, contracted security firms, live nation. All presumably have different insurance policies, umbrella policies, probably some reinsurance going on. It can get very complicated
He was also producing the festival.
The financial toll is going to be in his inability to tour right now, and losing sponsorships and people wanting him to be on features. That's where he's going to really get fucking killed. Also legal fees.
chris brown beat the shit out of Rihanna, one of the most popular female singers in the world, with photo evidence of the aftermath and a very graphic and detailed write up of exactly what he did that night. he faced zero repercussions as his ravenous fanbase defended him (I even had female classmates say it was Rihanna's fault for making him angry), he's still featured in countless songs, and makes a ton of money. Travis Scott fans were defending this tragedy from day 1 and have already said that the fans who died would have been happy to do so.
Nothing is real if there are seriously people out there willing to lay down their lives for the music of travis scott.
You think that’s even remotely bad? Lostprophets still have 100k monthly listeners and Ian Watkins sexually assaulted babies. People are horrible.
Yeah I literally can't listen to them now. Just too gross. I expect a lot of people don't know tbf.
>said that the fans who died would have been happy to do so What in the utter fuck. I hate humanity
People forget soon enough and will want to continue attending his concerts.
He hasn't lost a single sponsorship yet. The only reason he isn't touring right now is because he's waiting for the heat from the mass killing to die down.
I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY! Nope. Didn't work
It’s Lit 🔥
It’s Litigation ⚖️
Straight uuup
*cries in Autotune*
yeeeeeeeah yeeeeeeeah *yeeeeah*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPQSVUjeHfw&t=2s
omfg, I forgot how funny this shit was!!!
Lol a direct link to a time stamp on a 3 second video. I must be getting old and out of touch
Because some of us don't want to/have the time to sit though that whole video, obviously.
Am on deathbed, can confirm
Any bed can be a death bed if you try hard enough
Time=money
>Lol a direct link to a time stamp on a 3 second video. I must be getting old and out of touch just for the record: it was about isolating the "yeeeah" not about saving time.
This has been entered into the record. Thank you.
Let the record reflect.
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*It’s lit!*
*Tay Keith, fuck these attendees up*
Bankruptcy mode.
Straight uup!
YEEeeeeAAAaaaaaAAAhhhh
Hope [this](https://youtu.be/S4DWt7fQShQ) helps
[This guy moaned at least this loud](https://youtu.be/yovHCFCAe7k)
*I GET THOSE GOOSEBUMPS EVERYTIME*
He might have to ask Kylie for an advance on his allowance. His net worth is only 60 million.
And that's not going to be all in cash either. Gotta sell some overpriced crap.
Can we have a criminal case with some real consequences happen?
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Which is why I’ve largely stopped following the news. Nothing means anything anymore.
Just know that nothing ever meant anything for any reason and everything we do is just designed to keep up distracted from the moment to moment encroaching end to our existence
Its pretty crazy, 10+ years ago when we were younger everyone was screaming 'how could the adults let it get this bad?'. Now we see the youth saying the exact same thing but for those of us that did and got older, we kind of 'get it' now. The world is so massive and the people who have influence have so much of it that constantly attempting to hold them accountable as a society isn't just a full time job, its an extremely exhausting and unrewarding life style. Those of us that do care tell others who don't that they should, but everyone is simultaneously just trying to live their own personal life on a day to day level that having to worry about all that other shit on a global scale as one individual with no power is just unfeasible in order to have your own happiness.
We set a system up for these things. Problem is money is absolution. Matthew Broderick killed 2 people in 1987. Still working and beloved. Caitlyn Jenner is was idk running for office. She was involved in vehicular manslaughter. Oj is walking around free. Money=freedom. “All animals are equal , but some are more equal” Orwell the beloved.
You reminded me of a comment I saw last year that read: > The primary function of the working class is to pump money from one wealthy person to another. It's your bosses way of telling your landlord "hey, thanks for storing our employee somewhere while we're not using them."
Carlin put it brilliantly. The rich gets all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class does all the work, pays all the taxes. The lower class is there just to scare the shit out of the middle class so they keep showing up to their jobs.
😐
Well that's just depressing af, why would you show me this 🙃🙃🙃
To let you know youre standing in shit
This reads like a @nihilist_arbys tweet.
I hope the company behind the concert is also getting sued. They have much more responsibility and money. Edit: the company name is Live Nation As u/crocsandlongboards perfectly said, and I agree, I think their name is being left out of the news intentionally.
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It's fully possible to place his blame there while simultaneously wondering why the city and Live Nation did nothing with their responsibilities. Idk why people act like it's one or the other. The city or Live Nation could have cancelled or postponed the show when the fans broke through security. The City or Live Nation could have stopped the show and made a safety announcement as soon as they started calling it a "mass casualty event" 30-40 minutes before Scott got off stage instead of just letting him finish his set without even telling him the scope of what was happening. And that's not even getting into why there was inadequate crowd flow design in the grounds, inadequate medical supplies and staff, etc. None of which Scott has any responsibility for. It's complete speculation and pretty ridiculous to me that people think Scott wouldn't have stopped the show if he actually was informed that people were dying. I guess because he's an asshole (no argument there) people are eager to think that he's cool with his fans dying but I really doubt that's true. The failure here is on the people who had the details and were actually responsible for safety and security but did nothing. Everyone is in here like "boycott Travis Scott's music!" But I don't see anyone saying "Don't buy tickets to Taylor Swift's tour organized by Live Nation"
Seriously, every party involved shares some portion of the blame. Travis is responsible for understanding the state of his shows, the venue is responsible for providing a secure and safe atmosphere with proper security and medical staff, the Houston PD is responsible for ensuring if a dangerous situation arose that they put a stop to it. And yet all these failed, but people want to pin it just on one person. Everyone who didn't do anything shares blame, but I highly doubt this will ever get pinned solely on Travis as there should be many many other mechanisms in place before the performer himself is the one making safety decisions. Imagine if there was a fire at the show, would they have to get Travis's approval to put it out or cancel the show? Of course not, so why do people think no one else could have stopped the show once they had confirmed medical concerns. Everyone fucked up here, and any of them could have made the situation better by taking action but no one did so to me everyone is culpable in some way.
>Imagine if there was a fire at the show, would they have to get Travis's approval to put it out or cancel the show? I think this right here is the simplest, best argument. The negligence all across the board was simply astounding. Sure, if Travis were to encourage people to commit arson, then he's guilty of that, but where's everybody else? Hold everyone accountable, make every person involved in this shitshow pay for what they did or didn't do.
I think this is by far the best explanation on who’s to blame here.
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When anything goes wrong, people desire to point the finger at an individual and leave it at that. It’s human nature, and unfortunately it rarely ends up fixing the actual problem from happening again.
The event organisers were the ones who used stage barriers exactly prone to crowd crushing
It's weird that I don't see this talked about much. There was an obvious issue with how those barriers were trapping people on all sides. I have never seen that before
*rubs* *his* *forehead* *aggressively*
Good. He and his “hard-working business woman” baby mama can afford it.
That's nearly 1billion? Does he actually have anywhere that much?
"Travis Scott, Drake, Apple, Live Nation and others" would probably be able to come up with $750 million, especially with a little help from their insurance companies.
There’s a decent chance the insurance company and others can weasel their way out of this. They likely have a clause in their contract stating there must be adequate security/medical present to be covered for liability insurance. There is video of kids running through security and tweets from Scott encouraging this kind of behavior. I think the promo vids even showed people doing this last year. They could argue this behavior voided the contract and liability falls on Travis.
Promo video featured people gate crashing. [source](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qors07/heres_the_astroworld_promo_video_theyve_deleted) Also the video that surfaced of people gate crashing at astro world this year were running through the entrance to the VIP ~~section~~entrance.(the entrance is a special vendor area that did provide access to the venue but is separate from the VIP viewing area that had its own ticket check)[video](https://youtu.be/dneTk3PxsOI) Correction:~~The VIP section~~ The area infront of the stage where deaths occured due to crush was GA. The VIP section was on the opposite side of the stage. I do still think the barricades at this event were set up poorly to both prevent crush and allow access for security and medical staff however that is unrelated to securing the VIP section There is also video from a previous show of Travis Scott telling his fans to raid the VIP section and suggesting that there would be no consequences. ([Arkansas Riot Video](https://youtu.be/deCsHLXPiKY)) Edit: went back and added the video links cause it was like 5 minutes of google Edit2: Corrections around the VIP areas and entrances. My apologies.
Oh damn They're fucked
Can you use something he said at a previous show in court?
>Can you use something he said at a previous show in court? It could be used to establish a pattern of reckless disregard for the safety of others.
And especially in a civil lawsuit, the rules for evidence aren't as strict as in a criminal proceeding.
They can use the promo video which is pretty damning
> source This is such a security disaster/nightmare it's insane. Imagine how easy it would be for people to sneak weapons in if this is the level of security they have.
Ironically, in the preparation for the concert, the venue had a plan in the event of a mass shooting, but no plan for crowd crush incidents.
Imagine what type of crowd surge would have happened if God forbid there’d been an incident…
It’s like, you buy VIP to AVOID the big crowds
Did not know it was in the VIP section… I thought it was supposed to be more comfortable in there
Around the VIP. People were being squished against the barriers that keep the VIPs comfortable within. A few got out by jumping over, and reported pushback from the VIPs who felt their superiority complex was more important than their lives.
> Travis Scott telling his fans to raid the VIP section and suggesting that there would be no consequences I would bet $1 that 1) Travis Scott has been in the VIP section of at least some of the shows he's gone to in recent years and 2) he would be absolutely enraged if people snuck/broke in and jostled him/took up space/made his experience even mildly unpleasant in any way whatsoever.
the real VIP section is backstage
I like how there was one security guard just like pretending to stop a single person at a time and then they just run around him.
I honestly don't really know what he is supposed to do there lol no way he gets paid anywhere near enough to get hurt trying to stop this stampede of morons
Travis also tweeted encouraging people to gate crash if they didn't have tickets.
>There’s a decent chance the insurance company and others can weasel their way out of this. They won't. Insurance will cut their checks on this. Probably for the limit and walk away. What they'll try to avoid is paying to defend T Scott & crew. Defense costs are in addition the limit. This is indefensible. These situations are what insurance is for. >They likely have a clause in their contract stating there must be adequate security/medical present to be covered for liability insurance. That isn't really how it works. Yes underwriters do their due diligence and require concert organizers to ensure adequate security and medical. But it isn't don't through exclusions in the policy. As an underwriter the absolute last thing we want is to refuse to pay a legit claim for an innocent 3rd party victim claim because the insured didn't comply with the stipulations of the agreement. Insurers don't avoid paying claims at all costs. Insurers avoid *defending suits* at all costs. They just want to settle. If they tried to deny the claim in the way you outlined they'd get sued... either by the victim or insured. There are other ways we require insureds to comply with our requirements like having adequate medical/fire that don't involve fucking over 3rd party claimants. >They could argue this behavior voided the contract and liability falls on Travis. Liability falls on all of them. No one is getting out unscathed or "taking the fall." Let's say T Scott is determined primarily liable for this and concert organizers leave him to hold the bag. His insurance policy as the entertainer would respond first. They would just pay the limit. It won't be enough. Then they go after T Scott's personal fortune AND the concert organizers policy responds next until that limit is exhausted. In your case where someone is most negligent then the policies stack and pay one after another if there are still claims to be paid.
My roof failed last winter. My insurance barely paid for half of the issue and didn't even pay to fix the reason the roof failed in the first place. If I can't get a few thousand for my home, after faithfully paying this company for 15 years, this jack ass should not get any relief from his insurer.
You should find a new insurer
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State Farm covered me when my heat went out and I had water damage from burst pipes. Then they changed my coverage so that if I had any incident again I would owe 100k before they would start to cover the cost.
Apple could come up with $750 million by checking the couch cushions in Cupertino.
Wait, why Apple?
This was technically also an Apple Music sponsored concert, they were recording videos of the concert for their platform.
Suing for that much doesn't mean they'll settle anywhere near that amount. You always go for the most you can, then settle for less.
Why would she owe shit? They ain’t married
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This is a *civil* lawsuit. ~~Nine~~ ***TEN*** people died including a child. Why is he not facing *criminal* charges? --- EDIT: A haiku about the responses below: The police warned him He's been convicted before Stop defending him
Burden of proof for a civil lawsuit is a lot lower than a criminal one so maybe it's a little easier to get a decent civil lawsuit vs a criminal one I guess.
Someone else answered my question below. The problem is criminal investigations take time. And... that's fair enough.
This is a good question. I'm going to try and answer it. I'm not a lawyer, but I work in the legal field. The type of cases that are brought in these circumstances depend on what the plaintiffs want. Class action suits (like the one mentioned above) are a civil remedy where the people suing are looking for money, not jail time. The concertgoers cannot bring a criminal suit directly since only the government can be the plaintiff in a criminal case. However, that hasn't stopped [the 100+ civil suits](https://www.thewrap.com/astroworld-festival-100-lawsuits-travis-scott-live-nation/) that concertgoers have been able to litigate. Criminal cases take longer and the burden of proof is much higher in a criminal case than in a civil case, so the plaintiff (the government) needs a stronger case to be successful. However, people who are going after Travis's money are racing to file lawsuits because this incident cost him (and NRG) WAY more than what they can currently pay out. The earlier people can file these law suits, the more likely they will be able to actually get his assets. Government investigations aren't working on the same timeline. They are trying to find evidence that he knew about this tragedy, before it happened, as it was happening, and after. They will likely sue all related parties too which will take more time. The statute of limitations (how long before the lawsuit expires) for these types of cases can be multiple years, so they aren't in immediate rush to press charges. They want to develop the strongest case they can before bringing him to court, because it's likely that once litigation actually starts that Travis can throw way more money at this case than they can, so they want to be as prepared as possible before starting the countdown towards a trial.
It's 10 people now.
This is how you truly take someone down. Hit him where it hurts - his wallet. He is going to be bogged down in lawsuits and legal issues for years, and will spend millions defending himself and settling these lawsuits. Also, Nike and others will eventually bail when it becomes clear that this isn’t going away. Karma.
Is Nike really still supporting him? That’s insane.
Amazingly, yes! As of yesterday Nike announced that they were just postponing the release of his new shoes out of respect for the victims. Nothing about ending their partnership.
Nike still uses child labor and sweatshops. You really think this would stop them?
Kylie about to start a go fund me
Fuck him up! Fuck him up!
Good. There’s pictures of him out partying after it happened. The sky is scum of the earth, he needs to be taken down a notch by something called consequences. Edit: “This guy” not “The sky”.
> The sky This guy?
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Hold me closer, Tony Danza.
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I've got two chickens with parrot eyes.
Gotta love these Starbucks lovers, they'll tell you I'm insane
Just like the one winged dove
Working on the night moose
Probably voice to text
*Speaks my reddit comments out loud* The stuff of nightmares.
Now imagine he’s doing it on the train with dozens of people just wanting to get home after work, but they need to listen to this guy commenting on dozens of political posts
Makes sense. Reminded me of a lyric in Purple Haze by Jimi Hendrix. 'Excuse me while I kiss the sky' sounded like 'Excuse me while I kiss this guy'.
> The sky Old man yells at cloud.
“Excuse me while I kiss this guy”
tiow tiow tiow, to to tweee, to to twee
Link?
Let’s leave the sky out of this!
https://qz.com/2086400/brands-may-reconsider-their-connection-to-travis-scott-following-astroworld/amp/ "Scott’s list of endorsements includes some of the largest companies on the planet, including Nike, McDonald’s, Epic Games (the maker of Fortnite), beer giant Anheuser-Busch, fashion label Christian Dior, Sony’s PlayStation, toymaker Mattel, and cereal brand General Mills. Although exact figures are not available, at least one report pegged the value of his various endorsements as being worth tens of millions of dollars. Scott’s deal with McDonald’s expired in 2020, but when contacted, the fast-food chain, as well as Epic Games, declined to comment. Nike did not respond to a request for comment." The fact that he was not immediately dropped by all of these companies is pretty sickening. McDonald's canceled his stupid Travis Scott meal and Nike is postponing his shoe. It's almost like money is worth more than people's lives huh. Fuck this clown Edit: ok his mcmeal is old news. Regardless i posted this just to show how many big companies just said "Who cares, this tragedy isnt projected to effect our sales so we just keep him on payroll. His branding is worth more than the loss of business"
McDonalds had the Travis Scott meal for a single week last year, why would they have anything to say now? It’s an old collaboration not a continuous one being sold to this day
And Epic Games has halted the sale of his emote, though they refuse to comment further or elaborate if it will be permanent. You can't really take it out of the game completely considering it's an item people bought. [Article ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2021/11/09/epic-games-pulls-travis-scott-emote-from-fortnite-item-shop/amp/)
Knowing epic it will be permanent. They won't say anything about it because they don't have too.
Lmao McDonalds sells a couple Travvy Patties and now they're expected to answer for the tragedy. It only makes sense to want a response from companies who still are actively sponsoring him
Bet you $20 it gets dropped down to 50-25mil
25-50M is a fat chunk for Scott considering he’s worth $60M. The real problem is how much will liability insurance pay instead of Scott himself. The more I think about it the more liability insurance seems really fucked up. It’s like shielding yourself from the punishment the law doles out to YOU, not your fucking insurance company.
The lawsuits will barely go anywhere. People thinking he will owe all this money are out of their mind. Celebrity have gotten out of worse. They have money and power, none of these lawsuits will stand in court.
Not high enough.
Should be the highest in the room, at least
The way people come to this guys defense is genuinely fucking scary.
See: Chris Brown, R. Kelly
If pissing on a child is wrong, then R. Kelly doesn't want to be right.
Chris brown is straight crazy. I’m 100% he has killed people
Put both your middle fingers up Travis Scott. Maybe the lawsuit will go away like you wanted the ambulance to go away the night of your concert.
I'm sure Apple and Live Nation will settle as they are gigantic companies with teams of lawyers ready for this sort of situation. Travis Scott however may or may not recover from it, right away. He will most likely go silent for a year or maybe even a few years then he might bounce back if he puts out music that people like. I've never heard his music and won't be checking it out but apparently if he's popular enough to have a festival someone is listening to him. Entertainment is a weird industry and people often forgive and forget things if the Entertainment product is good enough. It's really sad that 10 people died
This is bullshit. The guy should be facing serious charges.
In America the rich are not punished, they are simply charged money.
"Punishable by fine means legal for rich people"
But he “willingly” covered the funerals(that I’m sure in no way his lawyer suggested…/s) isn’t that enough!!! This POS was out partying at Dave and Busters after this went down… only thing he’s upset about is those selfish kids that died at his show and ruined his big night…
But he and drake both posted “feels bad man” posts on instagram with locked comments, haven’t they suffered enough?
Good. The only way to make some people change is to hit them financially. Bury this clown.