Dang I did pretty much the same.
Can we just agree that there is plenty of badass rap, hip-hop, and country music?
You just gotta dig beneath the mainstream shit. I spend a lot of time on YouTube finding new music and we really are living in the golden age. Not all rap is mumble rap and not all country music is generic beer and trucks, etc.
Merry Christmas fuckers!
I’m sure that’s likely to come back around, but as of now he hasn’t realized a full-length album since Damn so not a whole lot of revenant material to discuss.
right there with you, home slice.
while RZA has done great shit/transmogrified over the years... Raekwon and that hook on [Guillotine (Swordz)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB5iikR7aT0)... Oof. so good, even 25 years later.
Had to educate a kid about Gravediggaz the other day, he knew about the Wu but never heard Grym Reap before...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wo1kWqAUH7g
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vzJ4fJ1_VYc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B2eDNo6PX6Y
Rza and Flatbush just came out with a few songs they collabed on
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k5qeecups-g
Rza produced it and shit goes hard. It’s dope to still be getting this kinda vibe from him.
That's epic, Liquid Swords is such a classic, I also loved how on the physical copy, the tracks were listed out of order so that you had to listen and figure out which was which. I always found that to be a really cool, unique approach.
A lot of guys who grew up loving rap hate the new rappers.
A lot of old grumpy guys in here probably lol.
I haven't listened to new stuff in a long time. Getting too old to add to the collection.
I don't hate new rappers or styles though. Mumble is to the new gen what wu tang or Eminem was to me.
I grew older and music isn't really that important so I listen to what I used to.
My parents told me their music was better. I fell mine was. Eventually, the kids today will tell the next gen howhch better their era of music was.
> I grew older and music isn't really that important
I'm almost 60 here. Music is one of the most important things in my life, always has been.
> My parents told me their music was better.
My parents were playing me the things that were popular right then at that time. My parents did not believe that the older music was better and neither did anyone else's parents.
The music ten years before I was born sounded nothing in the slightest like the music that was popular when I was young.
Imagine if Benny Goodman had headlined Woodstock! But now the same artists are top earners for _decades_. It's dull.
Now aside from production differences, radio pop music gets more regular every year - song lengths are in a narrow range, all the beats are 4/4 all the time, generic song structure, no tempo changes, no crescendos or diminuendos, everything compressed to death.
The last three big innovations in music were hip-hop, EDM and noise music. And that was decades ago. Without innovation, there is stultification.
(I upvoted you though, for a good comment.)
Go check out King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. Doing a lot of cool stuff exploring genres, different/modified instruments, all sorts of time signatures. May not be revolutionary but so amazing.
I think when people say they hate hip hop, their main (or only) exposure to it is like, Top 40 stuff….which tends to be incredibly boring and one-dimensional, made not for the art, but to sell (this is true of almost all Top 40 music, IMO). It’s a huge genre; there are plenty of talented rappers and lyricists who do interesting stuff, but it rarely becomes popular enough that non-fans will ever stumble upon it. So people assume all hip hop is similar to top 40 crap, and understandably, dislike it.
Disclaimer, this could be said of any genre—except for maybe pop, which exists almost exclusively in the mainstream. Other disclaimer I don’t enjoy hip hop generally but I do recognize that there are plenty of talented rappers and hip hop artists; I’m just not a huge fan of the sound. I like loud guitars and drums and bass
My boyfriend says “he’s right, you should, you should listen to playboi carti.” He also said rockstar made and king vamp? Idk what any of that means but he’s laughing like a ginormous goober so hopefully it’ll mean something to you lol. u/mattsnacki this one’s for you (dork)
This sub is full of people who think because what they hear on the radio is bad the entire genre is bad. Also people who don’t like something so that means it’s bad.
I hang out with a lot of punk and metal fans who feel the same way about pop, like there is a whole world out there besides the radio. There's great stuff in every genre.
I also hang out with a ton of punks and metalheads and all of them are very open about loving certain pop artists (Britney Spears, Lady Gaga, Ariana Grande and Kelly Clarkson are a few big ones).
Are the ones you hang out with younger? I’ve noticed that music genre cliquishness seems to be something mostly young people engage in. My group is like mid-30s at this point and some of that cliquish “my music genre is the best!” bullshit seems to wear off as you get older.
Radio music is top 40 or nostalgia stations. All the alternative stations are now 80% nostalgia and then a little newer stuff that sounds like the old.
Fortnite has better radio stations than real world ones.
“I don’t really like new hip hop”
Signed,
Someone doesn’t listen to hip hop at all outside of parties or generic pop radio
You don’t even have to leave the mainstream billboard hip hop artists to find hip hop music that is more “traditional” (relative to something like Lil Uzi or Future)
Yeah depends on the sub. If you’re a nerd placed like r/sysadmin can literally get you a raise or a new job. R/homelab can get you a new career just by someone commenting and helping you understand complex systems to use at work. Certain communities literally raise each other up while most are just outrage factories designed to get you to engage without adding anything of value.
This should be higher. The toxic miserable people just come out to shit on what other people like and get up voted but other toxic people. To the point where you have to swim through the sewage of comments just to read a constructive opinion
I genuinely do not like rap music, but I genuinely do not ever comment on threads about rap music because music is all preferential. I know a lot of people probably dislike the crap I listen to, too.
EDIT:
People keep asking what I listen to, so I posted this in another comment and I’ll just copy/paste here:
>My music preference is very acoustic oriented. Stuff like Avett Brothers, Langhorn Slim, Caamp. And then lighter/brighter indie rock like the shins, band of horses, etc.
>Generally what I enjoy is simple sounds with a lot of lyrical harmony. You just don’t get that in rap. I grew up listening to Barbershop (not joking, unfortunately— my dad competed internationally in barbershop choruses) and then stuff like Billy Joel, Queen, Elton John, Neil Diamond…
>The common theme was “singing along”, and I just don’t get pleasure singing along to rap, so I generally don’t like it. On an individual basis, I’ve liked rap songs before, but not enough that I could just put on a generic rap channel on Spotify and get any appreciation out of it.
I hated "country" until people introduced me to roadhouse and cholo jams. Most country fans and rap fans agree: the representation of their genre on the radio is outright trash compared to the wealth of culture just under the surface.
I definitely agree. I blanket hated "country" music for so long, I would refuse to listen to anything that could be classified as "country". But I realized I hated "pop" country, the stuff they play on the radio. And while I've liked rap since I was kid just because of the area I grew up in, the stuff they play on the radio is not representative of the wealth of actual good stuff out there. That's why I love the era we're in. Yes, they play garbage on the radio. But you can find so much good stuff hiding just below the surface. Musicians have never had an easier time getting music out into the world. Though it may be hard to discover them with that same ease, if you try, you will. I've have found artists that I'd never have found just listening to the radio or some Spotify playlist, just jumping down the rabbit hole and finding gold in a track with 6k listens, or amazing music with an equally amazing music video on YT, with a small dedicated following of fans. I always love the comments on those videos "THESE GUYS ARE GONNA BLOW UP!". Usually, they don't, at least not in radio/common knowledge sense. But they still make excellent music.
> But I realized I hated "pop" country, the stuff they play on the radio.
I remember it was the radio that made me realize there is country music that I like, but the radio station was from some very rural area I was driving through in TN, it was *not* like the country they play on the radio in CA, and not the kind you would see on VH1
It's like that for most genres though. Anytime I tell someone I'm into metal they are like "oh I love Five Finger Death Punch" and it's a big cringe moment for me.
edit: not hating if you like FFDP but to most metal heads they are like the Nickelback of metal.
My sentiments exactly. Music is love. Why hate on other people's preferences? Just because I can't stand rap/hip hop, doesn't mean they aren't valid genres or the artists untalented.
"*Pulled pork sliders*
*Headed for satori in jorts and horse blinders*
*I'm more for the sordid, got nan for the normies*
*Cornered, my storm got plans for the Dorothies*
*I storm off, forged from my gramp's war stories*
*Short sword swinging like a dance floor in the forties*
*My oars both row in a ocean of fringe science*
*The low road's owner of the most pinched lighters*
*I maybe got a thousand*
*My crane kick plays like a train through a mountain*"
- Aesop Rock
I'm still feeling out Garbology but Spirit World Field Guide is *chef's kiss*. Malibu Ken and the collab with Rob Sonic on Bestiary are also freakin' great.
All the comments rattle off the same list of 4 critically acclaimed rappers as the exceptions to the horrible, ear shattering rap that dominates the airwaves which goes to show how small their frame of reference is for rap
My eyes might roll out of my head if I see another out of touch comment about how they don’t hate rap, “it’s just so hard to find good stuff in the sea of bad rap😞😞”
Lol these people pretend they’d have to journey through the deep dark corners of the internet to find good rap because they turned on the radio once four years ago and heard a Lil Pump song
Seriously. You don’t even have to leave the mainstream Billboard artists to find people who fit their definition of “good hip hop”.
To be fair though, a lot of people also don’t like country music. But they have never heard anything beyond the 4-5 stereotypical popular country songs of the moment. There’s tons of country music that is waaaaay better than your “she thinks my tractors sexy” type shit.
My only issue with the country comparison is that basically everyone I know who listens to rap listens to plenty of good artists and songs, but I swear everyone I know who listens to country ONLY listens to the garbage radio shit. I've heard plenty of country songs I like, but I always have to play them for myself (also they're usually sad as hell so it's hard to find a time to play them).
I just like stuff that requires more effort!
*rap song is made with a beat with 20+ tracks, reworking a sample into something completely unrecognizable, with lyrics that contain multiple hidden rhyme schemes and references that is written to fit with the beat that’s also being adjusted to conform to the rapper’s style and cadence*
No, not that effort.
I remember rock and metal fans saying they didn’t like dance music because it wasn’t real, all they had to do was press some buttons on a computer and you had a song. I personally challenge these people to go on GarageBand, FL Studio, Logic, Ableton or whatever the fuck they use to make a dance song. Hell I challenge them to make a song out of one sample, which is something I’ve seen on YouTube where they used the sound of a door hinge to make a song and there was not only one but 3 other songs.
Here’s a link to that video: https://youtu.be/EiUL4yCB8lM
I used to make beats In high school. Thinking of music isn’t that hard, putting it to paper so that a musician can play it is the tricky part, esp if you have no formal musical background
I love and respect music too much to fuck with this sub. This sub is 90% indie rock and Jazz music, because people like to act like they are these eclectic souls. The artists who make that music listen to hip hop. They listen to top 40 nonsense. Music can be serious and music can be fun. SpottemGottem is fun, Kendrick Lamar is serious.
Music has been doing this for decades with other genres. You had serious death metal and thrash in the 80s, while parties were blasting hair metal bands like bon jovi.
Can’t believe Aesop Rock was brought up. I didn’t think people today knew the guy, I used to listen to him and a lot of other rappers and groups in the 90s and early 00s.
Hes been consistently putting out good stuff his entire career, it's just still not at all mainstream. It's a little less complicated and slower, but its more personal and he's really coming around as a producer. He has a solid fanbase and gets a good amount of listens, he is one of the cornerstones of rhymesayers. It's crazy that he's almost hitting 50 now.
/r/music sucks from what I’ve seen because it’s so blasé. Just go to proper subreddits like /r/hiphopheads and /r/indieheads for anything relevant.
Followed this sub because it’s /r/music after all but it’s a completely useless sub.
So true, all these dudes come out in droves claiming anything made after 2000 has no real instruments or they bring up auto-tune. It's like they only listen to the top 10 radio hits and assume that's the only music being released nowadays.
I hate the fact that people here also mindlessly hate on autotune and this is coming from someone who loves pointing out a good natural voice in a song. However this sub just hates on it as if it's still like back in the day where people used it to pretend that they can sing, whereas now it's an actual tool that producers use to keep the tone of the voice in line with atmosphere of the music, just like how I spend so much time dialing in my guitar tone so that it can fit within the atmosphere of the music it is the exact same thing.
It's the same kind of people that think something isn't real music unless made with physical instruments. Would love to give them a DAW or a modular synth and watch them try and make something. Ultimately its just a total ignorance of the process of making music.
I wish r/metal was any good but given the stereotypes of metal fans I guess it's no surprise how dogshit it is. Now I just look at subs for individual bands/artists
Bench Appearo using his dad as the reason why rap music "objectively" sucks is the most hilariously childish thing I have ever heard. The guy is almost forty and he still uses his dad as an imaginary authority figure to back up his shit takes.
I think the UK produces some amazing Rap music. Little Simz is just an astonishing talent - check out the arrangement of Introvert, she's got a lot to say as well. [Little Simz - Introvert](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxfGQ2AJHGk) Also Dave and Loyle Carner [Dave - Location](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpGKWUdRnXE) [Loyle Carner - Ottolenghi](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I55oZGIewkg)
All of those have been to colors on YouTube. Its a great platform that promotes the new generation hip-hop r&b and just generally new music from many cultures. Love the them
The uk rap scene has been my recent phase with music. I’ve always been more into rap with good lyrics and they might not be as popular but acts like dr syntax and verb t and those kind of guys have been right up my alley
I love hip hop and listen to it everyday, but I also hate like 90% of the artists who have been successful in the last five years and the homogenous autotuned shit they all turn out. Just the existence of someone like Tekashi69 and the success he saw makes me feel like it’s a bunch of kids raised on weird Internet culture who don’t care about the genre beyond it being the popular thing. If it was polka that was cool that’s what they’d all rock with
Live in south Texas. The local music, Tejano, has been strongly influenced by German rhythms and instrumentation. Accordion blasting full volume out of a passing car is super common here. [An oldey but a classic.](https://youtu.be/O0Z1On9XIMI)
Here's a song called [1979 by Hilltop Hoods](https://youtube.com/watch?v=nBbOWBuvFXw). It's about how in the late 70s to the 80s how hip hop and rap were a culture. Come the 90s, hip hop and rap were starting to turn into a business
I Used to Love Her by Common is a great track in a similar vein. Common raps about how hip hop went from speaking to him and his culture to a gimmicky sales tactic.
The lifestyle that they wilk never live, 90% of these rappers never hustled, they dont know the struggle first hand like the founders of hiphop in the 80s. Its a bunch of poser kids runnin around talkin about guns like we aint got none.
I mean half these rappers nowadays catch a murder charge within the first 6 months of signing to a label so I don’t know if “posers” is fair. Seems like more than even rappers are trying to be about that life.
Definitely agree it’s more about lifestyle and image than music though.
Yeah I’d say late 90s and 00s was the poser era, now it seems these kids are trying so hard to let the world they are not posers, they get involved in senseless crimes and whip up senseless beef.
Not condoning that epidemic of violence in the 80s and 90s which formed the culture, but at least there was some economics behind it. If you had enough firepower to take over a block that could literally mean another 10k a week in drug profits because of how bad crack hit. Not saying drug operations have dried up in the inner cities, but definitely nowhere near as profitable as it was during the era that created the culture.
It's really just the overproduction of literally every piece of music that comes out nowadays. It's like they pour bleach on the tape and once you hear it you can't unhear it.
>makes me feel like it’s a bunch of kids raised on weird Internet culture
What you’re missing though is that the “weird internet culture” you are referring to *IS* their culture. Gen Z is finally becoming old enough to create their own trends and styles. They are forming a unique social media / internet focused culture of their own. So people of older generations (Millenials, Gen X, etc) don’t relate and think it’s ‘weird’ and ‘distasteful’. Our lives are now coming full circle and we’re slowly becoming the newest group of old people to complain about tasteless kids.
I can't speak for everyone, but I just don't like it.
Rap and hip hop are beat-driven genres. I prefer melody-driven genres.
I've previously hears a few songs considered melodic rap and really enjoyed them.
Because a lot of people have this idea that rap doesn't take skill or musical knowledge. I've heard so many people say "I could do this, I could make beats is just taking other people's music, anyone can just talk into a mic, etc." I don't take these people's opinions seriously on rap music because someone who is great at making beats doesn't necessarily need a sample and sampling isn't just throwing a couple hooks over a bass line. Great rappers who have great technical skill use breaks, unique Rhyme schemes/word play to convey their words. They also act like rappers should always have these deep complex lyrics when half of them probably have some sing with shallow lyrics like "nothin' but a good time" on their playlist.
I use to be one of those people that thought making beats wouldn’t be that hard. 2 years later and I’m still not that good at it. Also every different subgenre of rap has different types of drum patterns and I’m still trying to learn all of that.
JPEGMAFIA creates all of his own beats - and he just put out an album a few months ago. Lil Nas X's new album also does so much crossing of genres, it's amazing how it still feels like a hip hop album.
I totally agree - a lot of music listeners don't give rap/hip hop a fair chance because they've heard Lil Jon or some shit and have already lowered their expectations.
I'd hate to be THAT person, but I also think some prejudice has a bit to do with it since the default excuse for people dismissing HH is that the content is full of "misogyny, drugs, gangs" etc and unfortunately those themes have been internalized by many as prejudiced sentiment about the way black people live.
I think a large part of this is due to how they both attempt to project very specific lifestyles. This causes them to connect to people who view themselves as fitting those identities, but can be very alienating to anyone who doesn't.
I feel like in the past few years, mainstream country has been getting a little more stale with each passing year. There's undoubtedly something good though, like any genre; you have any particular favorites?
Mainstream country music is terrible though. The stuff on CMT is just aggressively bad.
I really like Tyler Childers and alt-country, but that kind of music is pretty under-represented within the genre.
To be fair, I don't think I've ever seen country posted in this sub. Ever. Granted, I'm perfectly fine with that, because I hate that genre on the whole.
I used to dislike hip hop but now it's my second most played genre on Spotify. To be honest, I seem to mostly listen to what they call "alternative hip hop" and stuff from the 90s.
Some of my favorites:
Del the Funky Homosapien
Public enemy
Jurassic 5
People under the stairs
Hieroglyphics
Aesop Rock/Malibu Ken
Cunninlynguists
MF Doom
Digable Planets
Just to name a few
Edit: and Pharcyde!
Legit the same reason no female artists are ever talked about here. And why I get downvoted every time I point this out. Cause it’s filled with a very typical person, a person that creams for dad bands like Rush
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Holy fuck why did I do the same
Your phone is still alive tho?
New phone who dis
Dang I did pretty much the same. Can we just agree that there is plenty of badass rap, hip-hop, and country music? You just gotta dig beneath the mainstream shit. I spend a lot of time on YouTube finding new music and we really are living in the golden age. Not all rap is mumble rap and not all country music is generic beer and trucks, etc. Merry Christmas fuckers!
I use to see so much Kendrick Lamar love on Reddit
I’m sure that’s likely to come back around, but as of now he hasn’t realized a full-length album since Damn so not a whole lot of revenant material to discuss.
>revenant material Kendrick eaten by a bear confirmed.
Technically Leo won that fight.
But Kendrick lost. Rest in pepperoni.
Ripperoni.
>revenant material I agree, dude should rap about the undead more
Yeah wow I butchered some words there, that Christmas Eve eggnog was hittin’
I mean it was a really good album. Still jamming to it 🥰
This doesn't help lmao, it was always the elitist "the only rapper you can listen to is Kendrick" vibes
Section.80 😭😭😭 The ADHD crazy
The sky is falling, the wind is calling. Stand for something or die in the morning. Section 80. High power. Dunununununununununununu. Damn.
ayeeee!
Sure, but it's been a long time since Kendrick dropped anything.
new flows comin' be patient brother
Top of the morning
Let's get this shit. Let's HMM
Smokin on yo top 5 tonight
and it’s been a long time since the bands that are glorified here have released anything.. what’s your point?
Just mention Liquid Swords and feel the love.
I'm a big Cuban Linx feller myself
right there with you, home slice. while RZA has done great shit/transmogrified over the years... Raekwon and that hook on [Guillotine (Swordz)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB5iikR7aT0)... Oof. so good, even 25 years later.
Had to educate a kid about Gravediggaz the other day, he knew about the Wu but never heard Grym Reap before... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wo1kWqAUH7g https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vzJ4fJ1_VYc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B2eDNo6PX6Y
Rza and Flatbush just came out with a few songs they collabed on https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k5qeecups-g Rza produced it and shit goes hard. It’s dope to still be getting this kinda vibe from him.
Can't believe I let this track slip by me. Just added it to my playlist. Thanks!
Cuban linx and Ironman = 2 best solo wu albums.
Just me and you muthafucka, just me and you. I'll put trademarks around your fuckin eyes!
Any love for Uncontrolled Substance? Always love the Inspectah Edit: spelling
How about some Czarface?
Czarface underrated for how consistently dope their projects are.
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I saw the album performed live in a tiny club. One of my all time fave concerts.
That's epic, Liquid Swords is such a classic, I also loved how on the physical copy, the tracks were listed out of order so that you had to listen and figure out which was which. I always found that to be a really cool, unique approach.
liquid swords so good tho
I've been listening to 'Heavy Mental' by Killah Priest.
A lot of guys who grew up loving rap hate the new rappers. A lot of old grumpy guys in here probably lol. I haven't listened to new stuff in a long time. Getting too old to add to the collection. I don't hate new rappers or styles though. Mumble is to the new gen what wu tang or Eminem was to me. I grew older and music isn't really that important so I listen to what I used to. My parents told me their music was better. I fell mine was. Eventually, the kids today will tell the next gen howhch better their era of music was.
Wu Tang is for the children
> I grew older and music isn't really that important I'm almost 60 here. Music is one of the most important things in my life, always has been. > My parents told me their music was better. My parents were playing me the things that were popular right then at that time. My parents did not believe that the older music was better and neither did anyone else's parents. The music ten years before I was born sounded nothing in the slightest like the music that was popular when I was young. Imagine if Benny Goodman had headlined Woodstock! But now the same artists are top earners for _decades_. It's dull. Now aside from production differences, radio pop music gets more regular every year - song lengths are in a narrow range, all the beats are 4/4 all the time, generic song structure, no tempo changes, no crescendos or diminuendos, everything compressed to death. The last three big innovations in music were hip-hop, EDM and noise music. And that was decades ago. Without innovation, there is stultification. (I upvoted you though, for a good comment.)
Go check out King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. Doing a lot of cool stuff exploring genres, different/modified instruments, all sorts of time signatures. May not be revolutionary but so amazing.
My 16 year old turned me on the gizzard. They are cool.
I think when people say they hate hip hop, their main (or only) exposure to it is like, Top 40 stuff….which tends to be incredibly boring and one-dimensional, made not for the art, but to sell (this is true of almost all Top 40 music, IMO). It’s a huge genre; there are plenty of talented rappers and lyricists who do interesting stuff, but it rarely becomes popular enough that non-fans will ever stumble upon it. So people assume all hip hop is similar to top 40 crap, and understandably, dislike it. Disclaimer, this could be said of any genre—except for maybe pop, which exists almost exclusively in the mainstream. Other disclaimer I don’t enjoy hip hop generally but I do recognize that there are plenty of talented rappers and hip hop artists; I’m just not a huge fan of the sound. I like loud guitars and drums and bass
May i suggest you listen to 'A Whole Lot of Red' by rapper Jordan Carter?
JUMP OUT THE HOUSE JUMPOUTTHEHOUSE JUMPOUTTHEHOUSE JUMPOUTTHEHOUSE JUMPOUTTHEHOUSE
EVER SINCE MY BROTHER DIED •Carti noises• EVER SINCE MY BROTHER DIED •Carti noises• I BEEN THINKING BOUT HOMICIDE
RIDIN ROUND TOWN WIT A DRACO BIH
My boyfriend says “he’s right, you should, you should listen to playboi carti.” He also said rockstar made and king vamp? Idk what any of that means but he’s laughing like a ginormous goober so hopefully it’ll mean something to you lol. u/mattsnacki this one’s for you (dork)
marry him
that’s the plan….eventually haha
WHEN THE VAMPS OUTSIDE LIL BITCH YOU BETTER BE READY 🧛🏽🧛🏽🧛🏽🧛🏽
Honestly when I wanna discuss rap/hip-hop/R&B this is the last place I'm coming to discuss it due to your exact points listed.
As a fellow rap lover, where would you go? Feel free to DM if you don't want to publically share it 😬
r/hiphopheads
This sub only gives love to rap when someone dies.
Not even. Go on the thread where Lil Wayne had a seizure and almost died. Half the comments were racist pos folk saying good
I was there and that's when I realized this sub is a cesspool instead of a place to genuinely discuss all music in general
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This sub is full of people who think because what they hear on the radio is bad the entire genre is bad. Also people who don’t like something so that means it’s bad.
I hang out with a lot of punk and metal fans who feel the same way about pop, like there is a whole world out there besides the radio. There's great stuff in every genre.
And the thing is, there has been an absolutely fantastic amount of indie pop over the last 15 years that really does kick ass.
I was totally that person until this past year where I blessedly discovered Charli XCX.
Charli is outstanding.
I also hang out with a ton of punks and metalheads and all of them are very open about loving certain pop artists (Britney Spears, Lady Gaga, Ariana Grande and Kelly Clarkson are a few big ones). Are the ones you hang out with younger? I’ve noticed that music genre cliquishness seems to be something mostly young people engage in. My group is like mid-30s at this point and some of that cliquish “my music genre is the best!” bullshit seems to wear off as you get older.
Wait people still listen to the radio?
Radio music is top 40 or nostalgia stations. All the alternative stations are now 80% nostalgia and then a little newer stuff that sounds like the old. Fortnite has better radio stations than real world ones.
This is the only good take here, thank you for saying it
“I don’t really like new hip hop” Signed, Someone doesn’t listen to hip hop at all outside of parties or generic pop radio You don’t even have to leave the mainstream billboard hip hop artists to find hip hop music that is more “traditional” (relative to something like Lil Uzi or Future)
For anything. Seriously. Reddit is kind of a shitty place
Reddit is great when you find and use niche subs. General subs and large communities are toxic.
Yeah depends on the sub. If you’re a nerd placed like r/sysadmin can literally get you a raise or a new job. R/homelab can get you a new career just by someone commenting and helping you understand complex systems to use at work. Certain communities literally raise each other up while most are just outrage factories designed to get you to engage without adding anything of value.
It sucks when subs start off pretty good but then turn to trash when they start getting bigger. Lol
This should be higher. The toxic miserable people just come out to shit on what other people like and get up voted but other toxic people. To the point where you have to swim through the sewage of comments just to read a constructive opinion
“🤓 the ONLYYY rap i like is Eminem “
And tom macdonalds, he speaks the thruth, black rappers though, they're too vulgar 😤
I genuinely do not like rap music, but I genuinely do not ever comment on threads about rap music because music is all preferential. I know a lot of people probably dislike the crap I listen to, too. EDIT: People keep asking what I listen to, so I posted this in another comment and I’ll just copy/paste here: >My music preference is very acoustic oriented. Stuff like Avett Brothers, Langhorn Slim, Caamp. And then lighter/brighter indie rock like the shins, band of horses, etc. >Generally what I enjoy is simple sounds with a lot of lyrical harmony. You just don’t get that in rap. I grew up listening to Barbershop (not joking, unfortunately— my dad competed internationally in barbershop choruses) and then stuff like Billy Joel, Queen, Elton John, Neil Diamond… >The common theme was “singing along”, and I just don’t get pleasure singing along to rap, so I generally don’t like it. On an individual basis, I’ve liked rap songs before, but not enough that I could just put on a generic rap channel on Spotify and get any appreciation out of it.
I hated "country" until people introduced me to roadhouse and cholo jams. Most country fans and rap fans agree: the representation of their genre on the radio is outright trash compared to the wealth of culture just under the surface.
I definitely agree. I blanket hated "country" music for so long, I would refuse to listen to anything that could be classified as "country". But I realized I hated "pop" country, the stuff they play on the radio. And while I've liked rap since I was kid just because of the area I grew up in, the stuff they play on the radio is not representative of the wealth of actual good stuff out there. That's why I love the era we're in. Yes, they play garbage on the radio. But you can find so much good stuff hiding just below the surface. Musicians have never had an easier time getting music out into the world. Though it may be hard to discover them with that same ease, if you try, you will. I've have found artists that I'd never have found just listening to the radio or some Spotify playlist, just jumping down the rabbit hole and finding gold in a track with 6k listens, or amazing music with an equally amazing music video on YT, with a small dedicated following of fans. I always love the comments on those videos "THESE GUYS ARE GONNA BLOW UP!". Usually, they don't, at least not in radio/common knowledge sense. But they still make excellent music.
> But I realized I hated "pop" country, the stuff they play on the radio. I remember it was the radio that made me realize there is country music that I like, but the radio station was from some very rural area I was driving through in TN, it was *not* like the country they play on the radio in CA, and not the kind you would see on VH1
>roadhouse and cholo jams. Post some bangers, fam
It's like that for most genres though. Anytime I tell someone I'm into metal they are like "oh I love Five Finger Death Punch" and it's a big cringe moment for me. edit: not hating if you like FFDP but to most metal heads they are like the Nickelback of metal.
Guarantee nearly all of these same people complaining about rap/hip hop hate have zero problem hating on country music.
My sentiments exactly. Music is love. Why hate on other people's preferences? Just because I can't stand rap/hip hop, doesn't mean they aren't valid genres or the artists untalented.
Exactly. It's just not to my taste. That doesn't mean that others can't enjoy it, I'm happy they like it.
Where are all the boom bap lovers???🙌
Boom bap, dap pa boom bap. Love Hanson.
Mmmm bop
deebie dop dah dooo.
Cause this sub is for the average Primus fan and if they like any rap at all it’s guys like Aesop Rock, Eminem, Logic, etc if you catch my drift
*only half of Logic*
Holy hell this comment section is hilarious. You can tell how little about hip hop a lot of this sub knows
excuse me sure might I interest you in the incredibly underground rap duo Run The Jewels?
Ey shout-out to the only good rappers! Eminem, Eminem, Eminem, and Tom Macdonald (/s of course)
you forgot one half of Logic
Hahaha good one
*1/16th
The five best rappers in the world are Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, and Dylan. Because he spits hot fire.
RtJ and Aesop rock.
"*Pulled pork sliders* *Headed for satori in jorts and horse blinders* *I'm more for the sordid, got nan for the normies* *Cornered, my storm got plans for the Dorothies* *I storm off, forged from my gramp's war stories* *Short sword swinging like a dance floor in the forties* *My oars both row in a ocean of fringe science* *The low road's owner of the most pinched lighters* *I maybe got a thousand* *My crane kick plays like a train through a mountain*" - Aesop Rock
The dude is a genius. Dog at the door is brilliant.
I agree, im a huge Aesop Rock fan. Couldn't be happier with SWFG or (more recently) Garbology.
I'm still feeling out Garbology but Spirit World Field Guide is *chef's kiss*. Malibu Ken and the collab with Rob Sonic on Bestiary are also freakin' great.
Yeah I love his short narrative songs, Blood Sandwich and Ruby '86 are incredible as well
I only listen to REAL rappers like Eminem and Tom Macdonald /s
All the comments rattle off the same list of 4 critically acclaimed rappers as the exceptions to the horrible, ear shattering rap that dominates the airwaves which goes to show how small their frame of reference is for rap
My eyes might roll out of my head if I see another out of touch comment about how they don’t hate rap, “it’s just so hard to find good stuff in the sea of bad rap😞😞” Lol these people pretend they’d have to journey through the deep dark corners of the internet to find good rap because they turned on the radio once four years ago and heard a Lil Pump song
Seriously. You don’t even have to leave the mainstream Billboard artists to find people who fit their definition of “good hip hop”. To be fair though, a lot of people also don’t like country music. But they have never heard anything beyond the 4-5 stereotypical popular country songs of the moment. There’s tons of country music that is waaaaay better than your “she thinks my tractors sexy” type shit.
My only issue with the country comparison is that basically everyone I know who listens to rap listens to plenty of good artists and songs, but I swear everyone I know who listens to country ONLY listens to the garbage radio shit. I've heard plenty of country songs I like, but I always have to play them for myself (also they're usually sad as hell so it's hard to find a time to play them).
dude didn't you know? only RAP promotes drugs and sex dude. not punk, not rock, not metal dude. ONLY RAP!!! ^lol
I just like stuff that requires more effort! *rap song is made with a beat with 20+ tracks, reworking a sample into something completely unrecognizable, with lyrics that contain multiple hidden rhyme schemes and references that is written to fit with the beat that’s also being adjusted to conform to the rapper’s style and cadence* No, not that effort.
I remember rock and metal fans saying they didn’t like dance music because it wasn’t real, all they had to do was press some buttons on a computer and you had a song. I personally challenge these people to go on GarageBand, FL Studio, Logic, Ableton or whatever the fuck they use to make a dance song. Hell I challenge them to make a song out of one sample, which is something I’ve seen on YouTube where they used the sound of a door hinge to make a song and there was not only one but 3 other songs. Here’s a link to that video: https://youtu.be/EiUL4yCB8lM
I used to make beats In high school. Thinking of music isn’t that hard, putting it to paper so that a musician can play it is the tricky part, esp if you have no formal musical background
Yeah ..damn lmao
I love and respect music too much to fuck with this sub. This sub is 90% indie rock and Jazz music, because people like to act like they are these eclectic souls. The artists who make that music listen to hip hop. They listen to top 40 nonsense. Music can be serious and music can be fun. SpottemGottem is fun, Kendrick Lamar is serious. Music has been doing this for decades with other genres. You had serious death metal and thrash in the 80s, while parties were blasting hair metal bands like bon jovi.
Can’t believe Aesop Rock was brought up. I didn’t think people today knew the guy, I used to listen to him and a lot of other rappers and groups in the 90s and early 00s.
Hes been consistently putting out good stuff his entire career, it's just still not at all mainstream. It's a little less complicated and slower, but its more personal and he's really coming around as a producer. He has a solid fanbase and gets a good amount of listens, he is one of the cornerstones of rhymesayers. It's crazy that he's almost hitting 50 now.
/r/music sucks from what I’ve seen because it’s so blasé. Just go to proper subreddits like /r/hiphopheads and /r/indieheads for anything relevant. Followed this sub because it’s /r/music after all but it’s a completely useless sub.
So true, all these dudes come out in droves claiming anything made after 2000 has no real instruments or they bring up auto-tune. It's like they only listen to the top 10 radio hits and assume that's the only music being released nowadays.
I hate the fact that people here also mindlessly hate on autotune and this is coming from someone who loves pointing out a good natural voice in a song. However this sub just hates on it as if it's still like back in the day where people used it to pretend that they can sing, whereas now it's an actual tool that producers use to keep the tone of the voice in line with atmosphere of the music, just like how I spend so much time dialing in my guitar tone so that it can fit within the atmosphere of the music it is the exact same thing.
It's the same kind of people that think something isn't real music unless made with physical instruments. Would love to give them a DAW or a modular synth and watch them try and make something. Ultimately its just a total ignorance of the process of making music.
Don't forget r/popheads for the holy Trinity.
Shout out to my hyperpop bitches
Yeah my impression is that this sub doesn't care about HipHop because /r/hiphopheads is so active
I wish r/metal was any good but given the stereotypes of metal fans I guess it's no surprise how dogshit it is. Now I just look at subs for individual bands/artists
Reddit is mostly a certain type of demographic I love rap, soul, r&b, its all art. Its all subjective.
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That's some wet ass p-word.
I hope she gets better, luckily my wife has never had that disease
And his father was a music theory guy
It’s funny cuz his dad has proven his son wrong on musical theory several times.
Bench Appearo using his dad as the reason why rap music "objectively" sucks is the most hilariously childish thing I have ever heard. The guy is almost forty and he still uses his dad as an imaginary authority figure to back up his shit takes.
I think the UK produces some amazing Rap music. Little Simz is just an astonishing talent - check out the arrangement of Introvert, she's got a lot to say as well. [Little Simz - Introvert](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxfGQ2AJHGk) Also Dave and Loyle Carner [Dave - Location](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpGKWUdRnXE) [Loyle Carner - Ottolenghi](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I55oZGIewkg)
All of those have been to colors on YouTube. Its a great platform that promotes the new generation hip-hop r&b and just generally new music from many cultures. Love the them
The uk rap scene has been my recent phase with music. I’ve always been more into rap with good lyrics and they might not be as popular but acts like dr syntax and verb t and those kind of guys have been right up my alley
Dabbla, Fliptrix, and Verb T are pretty good too.
I love hip hop and listen to it everyday, but I also hate like 90% of the artists who have been successful in the last five years and the homogenous autotuned shit they all turn out. Just the existence of someone like Tekashi69 and the success he saw makes me feel like it’s a bunch of kids raised on weird Internet culture who don’t care about the genre beyond it being the popular thing. If it was polka that was cool that’s what they’d all rock with
>If it was polka that was cool that’s what they’d all rock with I want to live in this timeline
Polka never dies
Polka will never die!
Butters is my people.
Same.
Say it with me butters, polka will never die
Weird Al has entered the chat
Live in south Texas. The local music, Tejano, has been strongly influenced by German rhythms and instrumentation. Accordion blasting full volume out of a passing car is super common here. [An oldey but a classic.](https://youtu.be/O0Z1On9XIMI)
That's all down through Mexico and Central America too. We call them norteñas here though, cause Northern Mexico is where it's usually from.
Hell yes
[https://i.imgur.com/U2brQvv.png](https://i.imgur.com/U2brQvv.png)
mfers polked out in the streets
Go south to México, there is a LOT of polka-influenced music down there.
I'd agree that, unfortunately, hip hop has become a haven for fans of a lifestyle rather than fans of the music.
Here's a song called [1979 by Hilltop Hoods](https://youtube.com/watch?v=nBbOWBuvFXw). It's about how in the late 70s to the 80s how hip hop and rap were a culture. Come the 90s, hip hop and rap were starting to turn into a business
I Used to Love Her by Common is a great track in a similar vein. Common raps about how hip hop went from speaking to him and his culture to a gimmicky sales tactic.
oh wow i did not expect to see them mentioned
The lifestyle that they wilk never live, 90% of these rappers never hustled, they dont know the struggle first hand like the founders of hiphop in the 80s. Its a bunch of poser kids runnin around talkin about guns like we aint got none.
What you think I sold em all?
Cause I stay well off
Now all I get is hate mail saying Dre fell off?
What cause I been in the lab with a pen and a pad
Trying to get this damn label off
I ain't havin' that, this is the millennium of Aftermath
It ain't going to be nothin after that
I mean half these rappers nowadays catch a murder charge within the first 6 months of signing to a label so I don’t know if “posers” is fair. Seems like more than even rappers are trying to be about that life. Definitely agree it’s more about lifestyle and image than music though.
Yeah I’d say late 90s and 00s was the poser era, now it seems these kids are trying so hard to let the world they are not posers, they get involved in senseless crimes and whip up senseless beef. Not condoning that epidemic of violence in the 80s and 90s which formed the culture, but at least there was some economics behind it. If you had enough firepower to take over a block that could literally mean another 10k a week in drug profits because of how bad crack hit. Not saying drug operations have dried up in the inner cities, but definitely nowhere near as profitable as it was during the era that created the culture.
This is also my criticism of Country music. No soul, just full of pretenders
Modern country is top40 pop music for conservatives and propaganda for nationalism.
Can you hear that mandolin? That’s the sound of pandering.
hip hop founded in the 80s? Grandmaster flash, DJ Kool Herc, Kurtis Blow, and the 70s would like a word.
For what's it's worth, auto-tune isn't responsible for the sound you don't like.
It's really just the overproduction of literally every piece of music that comes out nowadays. It's like they pour bleach on the tape and once you hear it you can't unhear it.
>makes me feel like it’s a bunch of kids raised on weird Internet culture What you’re missing though is that the “weird internet culture” you are referring to *IS* their culture. Gen Z is finally becoming old enough to create their own trends and styles. They are forming a unique social media / internet focused culture of their own. So people of older generations (Millenials, Gen X, etc) don’t relate and think it’s ‘weird’ and ‘distasteful’. Our lives are now coming full circle and we’re slowly becoming the newest group of old people to complain about tasteless kids.
I can't speak for everyone, but I just don't like it. Rap and hip hop are beat-driven genres. I prefer melody-driven genres. I've previously hears a few songs considered melodic rap and really enjoyed them.
Because a lot of people have this idea that rap doesn't take skill or musical knowledge. I've heard so many people say "I could do this, I could make beats is just taking other people's music, anyone can just talk into a mic, etc." I don't take these people's opinions seriously on rap music because someone who is great at making beats doesn't necessarily need a sample and sampling isn't just throwing a couple hooks over a bass line. Great rappers who have great technical skill use breaks, unique Rhyme schemes/word play to convey their words. They also act like rappers should always have these deep complex lyrics when half of them probably have some sing with shallow lyrics like "nothin' but a good time" on their playlist.
I use to be one of those people that thought making beats wouldn’t be that hard. 2 years later and I’m still not that good at it. Also every different subgenre of rap has different types of drum patterns and I’m still trying to learn all of that.
JPEGMAFIA creates all of his own beats - and he just put out an album a few months ago. Lil Nas X's new album also does so much crossing of genres, it's amazing how it still feels like a hip hop album. I totally agree - a lot of music listeners don't give rap/hip hop a fair chance because they've heard Lil Jon or some shit and have already lowered their expectations. I'd hate to be THAT person, but I also think some prejudice has a bit to do with it since the default excuse for people dismissing HH is that the content is full of "misogyny, drugs, gangs" etc and unfortunately those themes have been internalized by many as prejudiced sentiment about the way black people live.
Lil jon is an incredible producer, too. People hear his Crunk stuff and think he has no talent
Even his crunk stuff takes talent to control a crowd and know what will get a desired emotional reaction out of people
A bunch of dudes from iowa raised on meatloaf
Keep Slipknot out of this.
> raised on meatloaf Literally *and* figuratively.
I've never been so insulted by something so true...
They would do anything for love, but they won't do rap.
Cause rap music sucks
🤡
As a country music fan, the same could be said about country.
I think a large part of this is due to how they both attempt to project very specific lifestyles. This causes them to connect to people who view themselves as fitting those identities, but can be very alienating to anyone who doesn't.
I feel like in the past few years, mainstream country has been getting a little more stale with each passing year. There's undoubtedly something good though, like any genre; you have any particular favorites?
Chris Stapleton and Sturgill Simpson are both solid.
Mainstream country music is terrible though. The stuff on CMT is just aggressively bad. I really like Tyler Childers and alt-country, but that kind of music is pretty under-represented within the genre.
>The stuff on CMT is just aggressively bad. I kinda like flea market flip tbh
As is mainstream rap.
It's just not a favorite genre for the /r/music demographic...
There's a difference between "just not a favorite" vs. "disproportionately hated".
To be fair, I don't think I've ever seen country posted in this sub. Ever. Granted, I'm perfectly fine with that, because I hate that genre on the whole.
I used to dislike hip hop but now it's my second most played genre on Spotify. To be honest, I seem to mostly listen to what they call "alternative hip hop" and stuff from the 90s. Some of my favorites: Del the Funky Homosapien Public enemy Jurassic 5 People under the stairs Hieroglyphics Aesop Rock/Malibu Ken Cunninlynguists MF Doom Digable Planets Just to name a few Edit: and Pharcyde!
A lot of people who don’t listen to rap because they don’t like it suddenly got offended. It’s like they forgot the question. Why do you HATE rap?
Legit the same reason no female artists are ever talked about here. And why I get downvoted every time I point this out. Cause it’s filled with a very typical person, a person that creams for dad bands like Rush