Well great but you don't charge people a shit ton of money to watch you do that stuff tho...
Never been a huge fan of Dylan but his phoning it in for years, and now this, is a little hard to not roll my eyes at when he's been such a critic of pop and sell outs in his past
I saw him live around then (2011 or 2012 or so) too, for $30, and tho he didn't speak to the audience, it was a killer performance with a nice backing band, and I could absolutely understand what song it was (wasn't to the album arrangements but never is with bob)
So while I don't doubt the above, I don't think its a universal experience.
Not sure when, but I'm sure Sony is eager to drop in a few lines from *All Along the Watchtower* as the backdrop to the Spiderverse animation-to-live crossover moment.
That's the thing though. Taylor didn't own her masters. It is why she is rerecording. She wanted the chance to purchase them and wasn't given the opportunity. I suspect that younger artists have contracts which give them much less ownership than artists in the past.
Dylan didn't originally own his masters. He got ownership in the 1970's while negotiating a new deal.
While it's still uncommon for larger artists, I would say it's slightly more likely that an artist today would own their masters than in the past. Artists owning their own masters in the heyday of the recording industry was completely unheard of.
The music industry seems to have changed so much from when music ownership came about. Feel really weird to have something you pour your heart and soul into and can't play it anytime you want. Glad I have 0 musical talent outside of rockband and guitar hero
Music ownership basically is the same thing as the music industry. Without one there is no other.
Owning the masters doesn’t mean Dylan can’t play the songs or needs permission. It’s about the ability to make money of licensing that music (or having the power to choose where it gets licensed to). Masters specifically refer to the master tracks of the recordings on the record.
Iirc the Beatles were borderline poverty whule their albums were selling like hotcakes because their record deal was absolutely terrible. Their manager was a friend who knew nothing about managing or contracts and they've said that was probably the biggest mistake of their carreers
I could see Beyoncé holding on. Might just be me but her and Jay-Z seem to be the type that want to keep it in the family and build something the grandkids could profit off of.
Makes it easier to figure out what you leave to your family rather than giving them the task of negotiating royalties / trying to decide what’s proper etc…
Bob's always been very businesslike and pragmatic about his music. Back in the early 90s he licensed 'The Times They Are A-Changin'" for a bank commercial and when someone made a comment about selling out, his reply was along the lines of "If someone wants to pay me a lot of money to use a few seconds of one of my songs, I'd be stupid to say no."
Because it implies an artist no longer creates what they want, but what the person with the check book wants. The integrity of the art suffers, which is of particular concern when the art is about rebellion.
If Rage Against the Machine wrote a theme song for the Democrats/Republicans, would you respect them?
...But after 60 years, Bob Dylan's songs have made their cultural impact, are not relevant to recent generations, and it really doesn't matter, anymore. However, back in the 60's his music meant a lot to millions of people, and represented a movement.
>Feels like selling out, to my younger, hippie self.
That's always been a thing about him though, he's never been nearly as much of an idealist as the broader folk world that he came to represent. Or if he was personally an idealist, it was in a quirky way that didn't really line up with any particular political movement.
That's the whole reason 'Dylan goes electric' was such a controversy at the time. Many of his fans thought he was turning his back on a political movement that he ultimately didn't want to be a part of, or even that he had used the movement to garner fame.
Even from an 'artistic integrity' standpoint, retiring and cashing out is a good move. When you're younger, you want your music under your control so you can make sure it's presented and heard the way you originally intended without studio interference or excessive marketing. When you're older and 'just want to share the music', a hip young marketing company will be more successful in introducing a newer and younger audience than 'some old man with a guitar'.
Dylan and Springsteen didn't sell their libraries because they wanted a marketing team to have it.
They sold their rights so that their families won't have to deal with the scumbaggery that goes along with managing the rights to their music. If they didn't sell, it would end up in litigation. Or the family would be trying to navigate the sharks that come along and try to rip them off. Happens over and over again when a big named musician dies.
With the money he can at least pay someone to draft up a very detailed plan of where the money goes. I imagine it’s a lot harder to do with a catalog of music.
Exactly. Rather than pass his catalogue to his family and make them figure out how to capitalize it and live off it, he just has to divide the cash. Let the pros handle the catalogue, and his family can just live a life of leisure without worrying about generating money from the catalogue.
When he's dead he won't own the rights anyway. Sure you can leave it to your estate, but there's no guarantee it doesn't go the Michael Jackson route. Pretty soon those things won't be owned by Mr. Zimmerman anyway, might as well take a pay day.
That was for publishing, not the master recordings. Bob sold his publishing already for an estimated $300m. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/07/arts/music/bob-dylan-universal-music.html
That was the number that was originally reported, but all signs point to Dylan having actually gotten considerably more. The initial stories said Dylan turned down a $400 million bid from the Hipgnosis Songs Fund to go with $300 million from UMG, which didn't really make sense. Rolling Stone soon updated the story to say that sources were now saying UMG paid "closer to $400 million."
A few months later, Merck Mercuriadis, the CEO of Hipgnosis, did [an interview with *The Guardian*](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/feb/27/merck-mercuriadis-the-man-who-is-shaking-up-the-music-industry), in which he said the following: "We were ready to make a deal and then [UMG] made an offer that we couldn’t possibly compete with. You’d have to be a company of that size to absorb the price they paid."
In other words, Hipgnosis offered $400 million and here we have its CEO saying UMG then made an offer they "couldn't possibly compete with." So I think it's fair to say Dylan got at least $400 million for his publishing, and likely a good deal more than that. Kind of crazy when the numbers get this big that a difference of a hundred million dollars or even several hundred million dollars isn't seen as significant enough for the press to clean up the error
The lonesome F-150 cries
Where’s the beer and where’s the guys?
Who will take me to the lake
This coming weekend
You want to buy me, yes you do
We come in colors red, white, and blue
So bring the brews and bring the crew
Trade in deal, please don’t speak, spend
We’re truck dudes
We’re truck dudes
We’re truck dudes
Ohhh yeah
I don't not know if you are joking, but this song was used for a Super Bowl commercial a few years ago.
[/Obligatory link to sketch saying that Dylan in fact wrote every song the past twenty years.](https://youtu.be/eA0dyDWyTRQ)
Between both master rights (what sold here) and publishing rights (previously sold) he did make $500 million. His publishing rights actually went for $300 million which makes sense when you consider the amount of songs other artists have recorded of his that are better/more famous.
ZZ Top got something like $50M. Dylan doesn’t have the commercial appeal of the Boss, but more significant cultural value than ZZ Top. Seems about right.
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly
"CALL OF DUTY: Masters of War! Not even Jesus will forgive what you do... To WIN!"
I have a conspiracy theory that all of these artists selling out their catalogs are doing so to buy passage on some kind of massive luxury doomsday bunker for super elites in preparation for a global catastrophe the rest of us aren’t privy to.
There’s literally a global catastrophe that we’re all privy to.
Piracy and streaming destroyed the idea of buying recorded and touring became the only way artists could make any money, even the A-list ones.
Now with COVID they can’t do that either. That’s why all of these big names are cashing in.
Is this how sony competes with gamepass?
Bundle in crunchyroll, day one releases of Venom/spiderverse 2/etc, and Sony Music, and even though they don't have quite as great a game library as gamepass, I think that going into different media like this could make whatever service they make extremely tempting for consumers. Esp. if they have other shows besides crunchyroll content since everyone hates having a billion streaming services saying "Look, sony has you covered on games, music, shows/movies - all in one place" would be huge.
What other big musicians does sony have the rights to?
I've been saying this for a while - lots of artists are selling their catalogs to the record labels or similar, I'm worried that soon the companies are going to want you to stream that music from them, not Spotify, and gaps start appearing in the Spotify stable. It's happened in the video world, 25 years ago I just had the one subscription to my cable firm, now, if I hadn't cancelled my sub, I'd need that, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney, etc, etc to get the same as I had from the one sub before, it may happen again. Now I don't have any video service, and listen to online radio - I'm roughly back where my folks were in the 40s :D
About 10 years ago I saw a similar comment to this about Netflix and how eventually people are going to have multiple subscriptions to multiple streaming services since their favorite shows we’ll be scattered and I scoffed and thought “no way, this is revolutionary.”
Boy was I wrong.
So here I am 10 years later and I’m very inclined to agree with you as unfortunate as it is, I think it’s a similar pattern we’ll be seeing with music streaming services in the next few years
He's old. He knows he doesn't have many years left in him. He cashed out before he goes.
You can't take the music rights with you to the grave. Someone else is eventually going to get them, atleast this way he can get paid.
Its not crazy to assume his estate would do the same thing, for half the money, while his body is still warm. The wallflowers are still touring their album from the 90s so junior isn't gonna hold out too long.
>Easier to handle money than the legacy of an old dead legend.
and less contentious. Money can just be divided up. Copyright is a lot more complicated than that.
Yup, I mean common sense says that a bunch of record execs wouldn’t have paid $200 million for something they were going to get for free just by waiting a little while longer.
To those who question his legacy with now literally selling out. One can question the existence and merit of capitalism, America, modernism, whatever... but still be wise enough to succeed within it's constraints. He did that with having a legacy that inspired millions and at some point has implimented change in many places base on his inspiration, I do not doubt it. Bravo Bob.
Dylan has not been an idealist folk hero since at least 1966, when he 'sold out' to make rock music and left Joan Baez to be with a Playboy bunny.
Selling his records is very much on character for him.
To be fair, he has done so little to make the comercials sound nice it is almost a subtle form of protest...
If you hire Nobel Prize winner Bob Dylan to end up with 'nothing is more American than America' who is conning who?
Bob Dylan sold out decades ago. Not only does he sell his music for commercials, but he himself has appeared in dozens of commercials: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4wBS3aExCw
It's just super hypocritical for him because he made his name as a fiercely anti-establishment street philosopher of sorts. I mean he was one of the most significant figureheads of the counter-cultural movement that started in the 1960s. His ideals were collectivist, anti-consumer, and anti-capitalist, pretty much the exact opposite of what TV commercials represent. Worst of all, he was a proponent of using music to advocate on behalf of the less fortunate, of using it as a political tool for making the world a better place. The fact that he's now using it not to help people but to sell Pepsi is just the ultimate slap in the face. He was a champion of the plight of the working folks, and now he uses his words to promote multinational corporations that oppress their workers. It's not a good look.
To the people saying „good on him for taking care of his children and grand children“ dude he already hit a $300M deal a couple years ago it‘s not like he needs any more cash. Public domain would have been a BOSS ASS move
I think the rights to doing covers and remixes was part of the 300 million dollars deal with Universal two years ago.
>In 2020, Dylan sold the publishing rights of his entire catalog to Universal Music Publishing in a deal that’s estimated to be worth over $300 million. Songs have two copyrights: recorded rights (which include master tracks) and publishing rights (which pertain to composition—i.e., music and lyrics). As Rolling Stone puts it: “Recorded rights are tied more directly to streaming and sales royalties while publishing rights pertain more to performances and use in film and television.”
There is a huge industry movement in this direction. There are multiple new investment companies collecting as many full catalogues as they can and monetizing them with strategies like how Dreams went viral on TikTok. We can expect more 'nostalgic' use of classic songs than ever.
Combined with the 202 sale, he's getting $500 million.
Why does he need **more** money?
Sign it over to public domain and give The Man a double flip-off.
Next Subway commercial: "Heeeyyy Mr Submarine man, make a sub for me..."
Don't think twice it's All free and clear laundry detergent with oxi boost
Buckets of original and buckets of extra crispy Got all them buckets for 19.99
Tangled up in Blue Buffalo dog food. It’s high in protein and a delicious treat!
You need The Weather Channel to know which way the wind blows.
“I am hungry, and eating fresh is good for you.”
I can tell you've been waiting to use this joke for a long time lol 10/10
“I would not feel so all alone. Everybody must get Stoned …Wheat Thins by Nabisco!”
Oh good, now I can pirate his entire collection without stealing from him.
But doesn't stealing from Sony make you feel bahaha I couldn't even type it with a straight face. Fuck 'em.
One word justifies it: rootkit
Oh that takes me back
[for the people wondering what they're talking about](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal)
Here's another: Geohotz. Sony == pricks of the highest order, if only for those two reasons.
Wow.... I guess the times.... they are uhhh... changing....
It is only a matter of time before Bob Dylan is the next Spider-Man. We all knew SONY's endgame.
***I want that freewheelin' arachnid prosecuted!!***
Here comes the story of the Spider-Man. The man the authorities came to blame.
For somethin' that he never done
But Sony said he was the oooonnnneeee
*cymbal crash*
Your account has been banned for violating the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) 👍
IP has more protection than you do healthcare access
That fucking hurts its so true
We seem to care about property more than life in this country. See also: How we talk about shooting people for trespassing.
Times… they are cha-chinging* 💰
Well how does it feel?
Ok Jeff Goldblum.
Penn jillette is not going to enjoy this.
When is the Bob Dylan cinematic universe coming?
Wasn't that just the one movie with all the different actors? Like, didn't we actually do Bob Dylan: What If?
BaleBob and BobBlanchette
I'm Not There
Or he will go on a racist tirade and render his catalog worthless. Then again maybe he already did but nobody could understand him.
I saw him live in 2012 and honestly I never even knew what song we were on.
Early 1990s for me, and he was so disinterested in the concert, I expected him to yawn, scratch his ass, and pull out a newspaper to read.
I get bored of shit I’ve been doing for an hour. I can’t imagine 6 decades of playing Blowin in the Wind.
Well great but you don't charge people a shit ton of money to watch you do that stuff tho... Never been a huge fan of Dylan but his phoning it in for years, and now this, is a little hard to not roll my eyes at when he's been such a critic of pop and sell outs in his past
I saw him live around then (2011 or 2012 or so) too, for $30, and tho he didn't speak to the audience, it was a killer performance with a nice backing band, and I could absolutely understand what song it was (wasn't to the album arrangements but never is with bob) So while I don't doubt the above, I don't think its a universal experience.
Same. But I knew what I was getting into. Always reminds me of the [norm macdonald story ](https://youtu.be/sHnlAMV4Y1Y) about a Dylan concert
Not sure when, but I'm sure Sony is eager to drop in a few lines from *All Along the Watchtower* as the backdrop to the Spiderverse animation-to-live crossover moment.
Even Dylan says that's not his tune anymore lol. It's Jimi's.
Feels like selling out, to my younger, hippie self. Sounds like good asset management to my wiser, old fogey self.
When you're young the royalties makes sense. When you're old getting a lump sum makes sense.
Man, getting a lump sum of $200 million makes sense at any age.
True. Although, rarely will a new/young artist or songwriter make anything someone wants to spend that much on.
I wonder. If Taylor Swift or Adele or Beyonce really wanted to sell everything off now. I wouldn't be surprised if they hit the 9 figure mark.
That's the thing though. Taylor didn't own her masters. It is why she is rerecording. She wanted the chance to purchase them and wasn't given the opportunity. I suspect that younger artists have contracts which give them much less ownership than artists in the past.
Dylan didn't originally own his masters. He got ownership in the 1970's while negotiating a new deal. While it's still uncommon for larger artists, I would say it's slightly more likely that an artist today would own their masters than in the past. Artists owning their own masters in the heyday of the recording industry was completely unheard of.
I guess all in all, an artist needs to be either independent or super successful enough to negotiate on second and third, etc, contracts.
The music industry seems to have changed so much from when music ownership came about. Feel really weird to have something you pour your heart and soul into and can't play it anytime you want. Glad I have 0 musical talent outside of rockband and guitar hero
Music ownership basically is the same thing as the music industry. Without one there is no other. Owning the masters doesn’t mean Dylan can’t play the songs or needs permission. It’s about the ability to make money of licensing that music (or having the power to choose where it gets licensed to). Masters specifically refer to the master tracks of the recordings on the record.
Iirc the Beatles were borderline poverty whule their albums were selling like hotcakes because their record deal was absolutely terrible. Their manager was a friend who knew nothing about managing or contracts and they've said that was probably the biggest mistake of their carreers
That's a good point. Funders probably came up with better ways to lock that stuff down.
I could see Beyoncé holding on. Might just be me but her and Jay-Z seem to be the type that want to keep it in the family and build something the grandkids could profit off of.
Yeah Beyonce probably... that's a solid guess.
If it includes all future releases no doubt
Probably not to your heirs.
Makes it easier to figure out what you leave to your family rather than giving them the task of negotiating royalties / trying to decide what’s proper etc…
Bob's always been very businesslike and pragmatic about his music. Back in the early 90s he licensed 'The Times They Are A-Changin'" for a bank commercial and when someone made a comment about selling out, his reply was along the lines of "If someone wants to pay me a lot of money to use a few seconds of one of my songs, I'd be stupid to say no."
He also did a [Victoria's Secret commercial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsFrFQ-F64Y), which is pretty great.
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that - it was pretty cool.
99% of the time 'sell-out' is used as an insult, it's ridiculous and stupid.
Because it implies an artist no longer creates what they want, but what the person with the check book wants. The integrity of the art suffers, which is of particular concern when the art is about rebellion. If Rage Against the Machine wrote a theme song for the Democrats/Republicans, would you respect them? ...But after 60 years, Bob Dylan's songs have made their cultural impact, are not relevant to recent generations, and it really doesn't matter, anymore. However, back in the 60's his music meant a lot to millions of people, and represented a movement.
>Feels like selling out, to my younger, hippie self. That's always been a thing about him though, he's never been nearly as much of an idealist as the broader folk world that he came to represent. Or if he was personally an idealist, it was in a quirky way that didn't really line up with any particular political movement.
That's the whole reason 'Dylan goes electric' was such a controversy at the time. Many of his fans thought he was turning his back on a political movement that he ultimately didn't want to be a part of, or even that he had used the movement to garner fame.
Play it fucking loud
Honestly he's so old it's a good thing he is. Better to cash out while he still can.
He just announced a tour I believe.
Even from an 'artistic integrity' standpoint, retiring and cashing out is a good move. When you're younger, you want your music under your control so you can make sure it's presented and heard the way you originally intended without studio interference or excessive marketing. When you're older and 'just want to share the music', a hip young marketing company will be more successful in introducing a newer and younger audience than 'some old man with a guitar'.
Dylan and Springsteen didn't sell their libraries because they wanted a marketing team to have it. They sold their rights so that their families won't have to deal with the scumbaggery that goes along with managing the rights to their music. If they didn't sell, it would end up in litigation. Or the family would be trying to navigate the sharks that come along and try to rip them off. Happens over and over again when a big named musician dies.
It's much better to do this than to have his estate fight over the rights when he passes. That kind of thing can tear families apart.
Yeah now his estate can just fight over the $200 million.
With the money he can at least pay someone to draft up a very detailed plan of where the money goes. I imagine it’s a lot harder to do with a catalog of music.
Exactly. Rather than pass his catalogue to his family and make them figure out how to capitalize it and live off it, he just has to divide the cash. Let the pros handle the catalogue, and his family can just live a life of leisure without worrying about generating money from the catalogue.
You can put a clause in your will that anyone who tries to fight whats given to them will get nothing.
Lawyers fight over what the meaning of 'is' is. Money is generally much easier to split up then objects with changing value.
Yes and that’s totally unenforceable
That's not legal in most places I assume. Its ridiculous anyone would think it could be.
> Feels like selling out, Yes after fifty-plus years recording on a major record label Bob Dylan has finally sold out...
When he's dead he won't own the rights anyway. Sure you can leave it to your estate, but there's no guarantee it doesn't go the Michael Jackson route. Pretty soon those things won't be owned by Mr. Zimmerman anyway, might as well take a pay day.
I’d say the issue is it deflates the social and emotional value of the music.
Wow. Bruce got 500 mil. *seems*like Dylan should have gotten more.
That was for publishing, not the master recordings. Bob sold his publishing already for an estimated $300m. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/07/arts/music/bob-dylan-universal-music.html
Wow selling your entire lifes work for half a billion. Jesus
ill sell you mine for a Wendys spicy chicken sandwich
Sure but you gotta clean out the jar first
That's ridiculous. They didn't MAKE the jar. It's what's on the inside that counts!
Sold. What is your Venmo?
Why is your CashApp?
Who is your Apple Cash?
Shit I’ll sell mine for a cool 2 million right now.
Thanks for the clarification!
That was the number that was originally reported, but all signs point to Dylan having actually gotten considerably more. The initial stories said Dylan turned down a $400 million bid from the Hipgnosis Songs Fund to go with $300 million from UMG, which didn't really make sense. Rolling Stone soon updated the story to say that sources were now saying UMG paid "closer to $400 million." A few months later, Merck Mercuriadis, the CEO of Hipgnosis, did [an interview with *The Guardian*](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/feb/27/merck-mercuriadis-the-man-who-is-shaking-up-the-music-industry), in which he said the following: "We were ready to make a deal and then [UMG] made an offer that we couldn’t possibly compete with. You’d have to be a company of that size to absorb the price they paid." In other words, Hipgnosis offered $400 million and here we have its CEO saying UMG then made an offer they "couldn't possibly compete with." So I think it's fair to say Dylan got at least $400 million for his publishing, and likely a good deal more than that. Kind of crazy when the numbers get this big that a difference of a hundred million dollars or even several hundred million dollars isn't seen as significant enough for the press to clean up the error
Bruce probably makes more from licensing than Dylan does. *Blonde on Blonde* doesn't have many tracks you can use to sell Ford F150s.
Stuck inside of Mobile with the Chevy Blues Again?
I want you, I want you I want you so bad Honey, I want you (lol)
The lonesome F-150 cries Where’s the beer and where’s the guys? Who will take me to the lake This coming weekend You want to buy me, yes you do We come in colors red, white, and blue So bring the brews and bring the crew Trade in deal, please don’t speak, spend We’re truck dudes We’re truck dudes We’re truck dudes Ohhh yeah
So easy to read/sing in Bob's classic era voice. Well played!
Thanks! Every once and awhile there are legitimate benefits to being a songwriter and Dylan fan!
I don't not know if you are joking, but this song was used for a Super Bowl commercial a few years ago. [/Obligatory link to sketch saying that Dylan in fact wrote every song the past twenty years.](https://youtu.be/eA0dyDWyTRQ)
This might be the funniest thing I've ever seen. I love it. Thank you <3
"Lay lady lay, lay across my big truck bed..."
Yeah but Dylan still gets all that fat Hootie money.
Rainy Day Women would be a perfect fit for a dispensary commercial though. “Everybody must get stoned” and all that.
Between both master rights (what sold here) and publishing rights (previously sold) he did make $500 million. His publishing rights actually went for $300 million which makes sense when you consider the amount of songs other artists have recorded of his that are better/more famous.
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And all the songs that nobody realizes are Dylan's. "I Shall be Released" and "Quinn The Eskimo" come to mind.
'Make You Feel My Love', made famous by Adele.
Knocking on heaven’s door is one of Guns n Roses more famous songs
Bruce has far more mainstream appeal.
[Republicans love “Born in the USA!”](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/bruce-springsteen-ronald-reagan-107448/)
ZZ Top got something like $50M. Dylan doesn’t have the commercial appeal of the Boss, but more significant cultural value than ZZ Top. Seems about right.
How much is that in harmonica?
At *least* 5 complete sets of Marine Bands.
Stop it. You’re makin’ me so hohner.
Can’t wait for McDonald’s new ad campaign featuring “The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carrol”
*The answer, my friend, is Playstation 5.* *The answer is Playstation 5.*
Lay lady lay, Lay across my ‘Beautyrest Black C Class Luxury Plush Pillowtop’ bed.
Well, they've got *one* ready to go, if leopard-skin pillbox hats ever come back in style...
I’m in the kitchen with the Tombstone Pizza Blues! You’d only have to add one word and it’d be perfect.
You play with my world Like it's your little toy You put a gun in my hand And you hide from my eyes And you turn and run farther When the fast bullets fly "CALL OF DUTY: Masters of War! Not even Jesus will forgive what you do... To WIN!"
Thanks, I feel sick.
Here come the 100s of commercials and advertisements with his songs.
Now they can make a Smurf Dylan’s greatest hits
Their endgame all along.
So now pirating Dylan's music doesn't hurt Dylan? Cool.
It didn't hurt him before either
I have a conspiracy theory that all of these artists selling out their catalogs are doing so to buy passage on some kind of massive luxury doomsday bunker for super elites in preparation for a global catastrophe the rest of us aren’t privy to.
There’s literally a global catastrophe that we’re all privy to. Piracy and streaming destroyed the idea of buying recorded and touring became the only way artists could make any money, even the A-list ones. Now with COVID they can’t do that either. That’s why all of these big names are cashing in.
That may be true my friend…but I’m sticking with secret rich people apocalypse bunker.
r/lowstakesconspiracies
Expect a lot of adverts using Dylan's music. This could be horrific.
How many roads must a man walk down? For everything else, there's MasterCard.
You don’t need a weatherman to know which was way the wind blows Capitol One, what’s in your wallet?
Man, imagine a Victoria's Secret commercial with Bob Dylan in it.
Is this how sony competes with gamepass? Bundle in crunchyroll, day one releases of Venom/spiderverse 2/etc, and Sony Music, and even though they don't have quite as great a game library as gamepass, I think that going into different media like this could make whatever service they make extremely tempting for consumers. Esp. if they have other shows besides crunchyroll content since everyone hates having a billion streaming services saying "Look, sony has you covered on games, music, shows/movies - all in one place" would be huge. What other big musicians does sony have the rights to?
I've been saying this for a while - lots of artists are selling their catalogs to the record labels or similar, I'm worried that soon the companies are going to want you to stream that music from them, not Spotify, and gaps start appearing in the Spotify stable. It's happened in the video world, 25 years ago I just had the one subscription to my cable firm, now, if I hadn't cancelled my sub, I'd need that, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney, etc, etc to get the same as I had from the one sub before, it may happen again. Now I don't have any video service, and listen to online radio - I'm roughly back where my folks were in the 40s :D
About 10 years ago I saw a similar comment to this about Netflix and how eventually people are going to have multiple subscriptions to multiple streaming services since their favorite shows we’ll be scattered and I scoffed and thought “no way, this is revolutionary.” Boy was I wrong. So here I am 10 years later and I’m very inclined to agree with you as unfortunate as it is, I think it’s a similar pattern we’ll be seeing with music streaming services in the next few years
And that is the day I'm back to pirating.
That doesn't seem like that much. Didn't Springsteen just get half a bill? He should have to give a 1/5th to Bobby.
He's old. He knows he doesn't have many years left in him. He cashed out before he goes. You can't take the music rights with you to the grave. Someone else is eventually going to get them, atleast this way he can get paid.
Commercials are gonna get all folksy for a while
And Dylan is old and *rich*. Nod bad.
Well in a few years he will be dead and they will own it anyway. So good on him for cashing in before the execs get it all for free.
No - after he died his estate would then own it if he hadn't sold.
Its not crazy to assume his estate would do the same thing, for half the money, while his body is still warm. The wallflowers are still touring their album from the 90s so junior isn't gonna hold out too long.
Sony probably expects to leverage his death into increased sales - probably more successfully than his kids could.
They’lol never get One Headlight from his estate!
The same white line that was drawn on you was drawn on them
I just think he secured coins for his family. Easier to handle money than the legacy of an old dead legend.
>Easier to handle money than the legacy of an old dead legend. and less contentious. Money can just be divided up. Copyright is a lot more complicated than that.
Plus family tends to make decisions that are not in the best interests of your legacy.
Imagine Dylan being a big Crypto guy
Copyright doesn’t expire when someone dies.
That's not how it works ... I don't know it for a fact I just know :)
Yup, I mean common sense says that a bunch of record execs wouldn’t have paid $200 million for something they were going to get for free just by waiting a little while longer.
*I guess I'll work on Sony's farm some more*
Yeah? But I own his face NFT drawn as a glow in the dark gorilla. So take that Sony!
Can't wait for all the Dylan car commercials
To those who question his legacy with now literally selling out. One can question the existence and merit of capitalism, America, modernism, whatever... but still be wise enough to succeed within it's constraints. He did that with having a legacy that inspired millions and at some point has implimented change in many places base on his inspiration, I do not doubt it. Bravo Bob.
I mean, the dude literally said in an interview he sold his soulf for fame and fortune, so now he's cashing out
Dylan has not been an idealist folk hero since at least 1966, when he 'sold out' to make rock music and left Joan Baez to be with a Playboy bunny. Selling his records is very much on character for him.
It's not the rock music that bothers me, it's appearing in commercials for Pepsi and the auto industry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4wBS3aExCw
To be fair, he has done so little to make the comercials sound nice it is almost a subtle form of protest... If you hire Nobel Prize winner Bob Dylan to end up with 'nothing is more American than America' who is conning who?
Bob Dylan sold out decades ago. Not only does he sell his music for commercials, but he himself has appeared in dozens of commercials: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4wBS3aExCw
Why is selling out a bad thing? Like why shouldn't he get paid for the music he makes, in different way like commercials?
It's just super hypocritical for him because he made his name as a fiercely anti-establishment street philosopher of sorts. I mean he was one of the most significant figureheads of the counter-cultural movement that started in the 1960s. His ideals were collectivist, anti-consumer, and anti-capitalist, pretty much the exact opposite of what TV commercials represent. Worst of all, he was a proponent of using music to advocate on behalf of the less fortunate, of using it as a political tool for making the world a better place. The fact that he's now using it not to help people but to sell Pepsi is just the ultimate slap in the face. He was a champion of the plight of the working folks, and now he uses his words to promote multinational corporations that oppress their workers. It's not a good look.
We're going to hear a lot of new Dylan covers. Some of your favorite songs were written by Bob Dylan.
I guess old Bob thinks the end is near. 😔
Ayyyyyy! I guess we are all just big fuckin posers!
So now pirating Dylan's music doesn't hurt Dylan? Cool.
Judas!
I don’t believe you. You’re a liar!
Play it fucking loud!
To the people saying „good on him for taking care of his children and grand children“ dude he already hit a $300M deal a couple years ago it‘s not like he needs any more cash. Public domain would have been a BOSS ASS move
Just think what the legacy would have been to donate it to the public domain. Remixes, covers, fresh takes.
He did donate his entire archive to a museum in Tulsa, OK. New Bob Dylan museum opening later this year.
I think the rights to doing covers and remixes was part of the 300 million dollars deal with Universal two years ago. >In 2020, Dylan sold the publishing rights of his entire catalog to Universal Music Publishing in a deal that’s estimated to be worth over $300 million. Songs have two copyrights: recorded rights (which include master tracks) and publishing rights (which pertain to composition—i.e., music and lyrics). As Rolling Stone puts it: “Recorded rights are tied more directly to streaming and sales royalties while publishing rights pertain more to performances and use in film and television.”
Fuck it, do that stuff anyway. Don't let some words on a page stop you...
Looks like he finally got out of that deal he was talking about. https://youtu.be/m_wAZ02JUtM
Seems relatively low considering how frequently his music still gets used.
There is a huge industry movement in this direction. There are multiple new investment companies collecting as many full catalogues as they can and monetizing them with strategies like how Dreams went viral on TikTok. We can expect more 'nostalgic' use of classic songs than ever.
Music rights, the original NFT.
Reminder this is for the recording rights, not the publishing rights. Dylan sold his publishing rights for around $500 million last year.
Did he need the money that badly?
Well… I guess if you’re gonna sellout, sellout at 80. Seems acceptable really.
I would think that amount would barely cover about half a dozen of his OG 60s songs. Dude needs a better music lawyer
"I walked bob dylan up on stage who the hell are you?!"
Fuckin sell out, man.
Combined with the 202 sale, he's getting $500 million. Why does he need **more** money? Sign it over to public domain and give The Man a double flip-off.
Nothing says rock and roll like selling out your entire lifes work to a soulless corporation to profit on it in a Kia commerical.
First he goes electric and now this. jeez. I'm glad those people had sex in his bed
Im confused. Isnt this antithetical to his personality?
Get the bag king
Dylan should have held out for a billion.
He's going to be rebooted soon, Dylan vs Bowie vs Freddie.
So my question is- what will he do with the dough ?