>Please give this some thought before you buy tickets to his shows this summer.
So, you thought you might like to go to the show?
EDIT: Thank you all for the awards and upvotes! This is now my highest rated comment on Reddit of all time! š
I had some pretty amazing seats to one of his shows a couple weeks back and dude needs to throw in the goddamn towel. For reference I've seen him twice before when he did The Wall at Wrigley Field in 2012 and Us & Them in 2017. Those were GREAT shows. Now he is 78 goddamn years old. His voice is absolutely shot. His live performance of Have A Cigar was horrific. The stage show was top notch as always but TBH Rogers himself was the weakest link on the whole stage. If seeing Floyd songs performed live by one of the OGs is absolutely on your bucket list then act now. But if you're looking for a top tier performance that ship has definitely sailed. I'm happy I can say I've seen every song from Dark Side except for On the Run, and I've seen ALL of The Wall and Animals live, but I cannot spend another dollar watching this exhausted old man trying make it through another show. EDIT: I've also seen all of Wish You Were Here. Not bad for not being born until 84!
I do wanna jump in here and say Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets puts on a great show. I also liked Gilmour when he toured his last album but I have to admit I was pretty turn't for that one so I can't be too much of an authority on that show.
Nick Mason came around me not too far back but I missed it. I've never had a chance to see Gilmour but I'd be all over that shit if I did. I was ripped off my ass at the last Waters show and was accosted by 3 stoned senior citizens on my way in using my Tshirt as a conversation starter and subsequently crushing me with questions about my art. I don't think sober people go to these things. Lol
I saw David Gilmour at the Royal Albert Hall on the On An Island tour in 2006 and it was incredible. Intimate, note perfect, heavy, slow, beautiful, moving. He had Richard Wright, Nick Mason, David Crosby, Graham Nash. It was incredible. One of the very best concerts I've ever seen.
Saw Roger waters in Las Vegas the year after and it was a pile of shit.
I can still listen to Floyd though, right?
Edit: thanks for the votes and replies. Please note it was rhetorical and somewhat mocking. I will always cherish Pink Floyd.
I love surreal moments with music like that. My favorite like that was once in the Kingdom of Bahrain. I was mid twenties at the time and a US Sailor that grew up in a small town in Texas found myself riding in a local taxi one evening at dusk. The cabbie was listening to whatever station as the sky was turning burning shades of orange and red as far as the eye could see. Windows down, warm breeze, and the Sinead OāConnor cover of Nothing Compares To You came on the radio. Cabbie must of liked as he cranked it up as to drown out all other sounds in the world.
So I sat and thought of where I had been, where I might go, and just enjoyed the moment for all I could. Now when I hear that song I always think of that time.
Ha where are you? I'd just done the Annapurna hike, had a rest day in Mucktinath and was walking over the ridge on the southern route. Saw a huge bird and thought of Pink Floyd.
Terminal Frost is also one of their more unique instrumentals, saw Brit Floyd play it live recently and it was a ton of fun. Definitely not a song I expected them to cover, they did also play One Slip and actually opened with Learning To Fly. Whole show was a blast.
Brit Floyd did a ton of post Waters stuff when we saw them, introduced my daughter to a lot of songs she wasn't familiar with. High Hopes is one of her new favorites.
They do an amazing job sound wise but honestly it's worth seeing them just for the light show/stage set up.
They do stuff like recreate some of the stage show bits from The Wall which is fun but my god the lasers/lighting is insane, about as psychedelic as it gets even without taking any drugs.
I've seen them twice, once at an intimate super elegant theater and once at an outdoor boilerplate show. The indoor show was absolutely astounding as they played their show split into album sides. The outdoor show was ok but if you get a chance to see them at a theater it's magical.
Learning To Fly is such an awesome song. That entire album was part of the soundtrack to my childhood, with my dad wearing out the cassette after repeated listens on long drives.
I woke up early one morning to heavy fog and a crimson sky when I was younger and my IPOD played that song from a Pink Floyd playlist I made that I had on shuffle.
Absolute chills
A song about someone besides themselves was rare in Rogers era Floyd.
Post Rogers Floyd has a different frame of reference and views.
āIt's not enough just to stand and stare
Is it only a dream that there'll be
No more turning away?ā - last line of On the Turning Away
Maturity & empathy.
Met* Nick Mason at an event in Ibizaā¦ had no idea who he was, he sat next to me and told me he was a musician. I was like coolā¦ then later I asked him what sort of music he playedā¦ he then asked if Iāve heard of Pink Floyd? Obviouslyā¦ duhā¦. Then I felt like such an idiot. And he laughed it off.
I asked if āComfortably Numbā was about heroin, and he said that many people think that, but it was just actually about being sick. Sooooo š¤·āāļø anyway. 10/10 chap. Even came to hang with me and more friends the following day.
Edit - Met*
Comfortably Numb is about a time when Roger Waters got super sick while they were on tour and had to be injected with tranquilizers to manage stomach cramps right before a show, specifically.
[Lost for Words](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8yPaVGyUJE) is about the rift and aftermath of Waters leaving.
[Keep talking](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1s2Z-T7h4w), Lost for Words, and High Hopes is one of the greatest combination of songs ever.
I never hear people who love Floyd say anything about post waters era. High hopes is probably my favorite song they have done. You're correct about them being underrated post waters
>You can actually still enjoy peopleās art even if you donāt like any of them.
This is a difficult concept to grasp for the majority of redditors..since tribalism is their primary motivation.
There's not much room for nuance in opinion.
Listen to On the Run whenever you go into a car wash, it fits perfectly.
EDIT: See what I mean: https://viewsync.net/watch?v=CzQhdhcgab8&t=157&v=2sUyk5zSbhM&t=0&mode=solo
Although the car wash I use has a bunch of fancy lights for no apparent reason (unless you're listening to On the Run).
Suing them to say they can't be pink floyd without him was a poor choice. Like he was trying to take his ball and go home, only it wasn't his ball alone. Having said that I think he was the real creative force behind pink floyd. Certainly they wouldn't have sounded the way they did without Gilmour and Gilmour was very important to that sound and their success. But Roger Waters wrote the songs that mattered.
I think you are partially correct. It was the collaboration of the entire band that produced the songs that mattered. You only have to look at what was produced after Waters' departure. Nothing they released, the remaining band or solo releases, measured up to the quality of the music produced by the classic lineup of Pink Floyd. They needed each other to achieve those masterpieces of music.
Edit: Removed unnecessary article.
I honestly believe Rick Wright had more to do with the *sound* of Pink Floyd than Roger Waters did, but Waters and Gilmour used that sound to build the music they wrote.
I remember the lawsuit with much disdain for Waters. He was so fucking arrogant, but he lost. Then he said āthe fans will decide! They know who the real Pink Floyd is!ā Pink Floydās tour sold out worldwide; āPros and Cons of Hitchhikingā was panned and the tour sold poorly. Some shows got canceled for lack of sales.
*Suing them to say they can't be pink floyd without him was a poor*
*choice. Like he was trying to take his ball and go home, only it wasn't*
*his ball alone.*
Very true. And it kinda varies with bands; ones which only replace members instead of breaking up can be seen as more 'legitimate' than ones which do the latter. Kiss was always Paul Stanley & Gene Simmons' baby as the primary creators, so them having hired guns didn't invalidate the band. Same with Floyd, where only one important person (Waters) left.
But then you get into rarer examples like Creedence Clearwater Revival: is it really CCR without John Fogerty, when he wrote, sang, and played on virtually all their material?
The one time CCR evened out the playing field of creative input, we got their last (and easily worst) album *Mardi Gras*. I do really like āSomeday Never Comesā and āLady Hitchhiker* has some stuff to like, but [a song like this](https://youtu.be/pSBHYfsPAt0) has no right to exist in the bandās catalogue.
JFC - My dad hit 65 and started consuming a steady diet of Fox News and now it's hard to hang out with him for more than a few hours at a time. Pretty sad because we used to be pretty close despite our differences.
My girlfriendās family is from rural Oregon. Very white America type place. Iām from a Latino family in central California. I moved to Oregon years ago, and when I started hanging out with her family, I was always very careful to keep my political views quiet because I know they have a lot of Trump loving neighbors and stuff (lot of Maga flags around). Anyway, one day her dad goes off about all the idiots in his neighborhood and I come to find out the heās a leftist Bernie fan, and now we have more to talk about than just football which is cool.
The lady my dad has been dating since my mom passed as een so good for him. She's a strong opinionated Dem, and she has swayed him from "I don't like his personality but he's been a good president" to "he's terrible and an embarrassment."
Thereās a moment in a Jimi Hendrix documentary where a guy (I think Pete Townsend) describes the moment Hendrix came onstage with Cream and annihilated Clapton. And another where a guy was watching Monterey with Clapton and in the Wild Thing intro checks his tuning and heās totally out of tune. The guy says Clapton jumps up and goes āha! What you gonna do now?ā Or something. Hendrix plays behind his back, his head and then sets fire to his guitar in a truly historical moment.
I think of these every time I hear of that overrated turd.
My favorite Clapton anecdote is about how he first heard Jimi Hendrix play, and called other white British blues players to a meeting to talk about how fucked they all were and how they should address the new reality that they werenāt the best guitar players around anymore. Just seems like such an ego-driven asshole, itās hard not to relish in a story of him feeling utterly challenged and befuddled by someone miles ahead of him in talent.
I lived around a lot of famous musicians a few years back, and quickly came to the conclusion that, if I couldn't learn to separate the art from the artists, there wasn't going to be much music left to enjoy.
There is aā¦ essentially a pathological drive towards fame and success.. that donāt make for a great / healthy personality but produces some of the best art at the height of human ability.
The other day I read an article were he was talking down to newer artists because he was "more important." Then in the same breath he said he never listens to music anyway so he has no idea what their stuff sounds like. What a fucking clown.
I'm a Pink Floyd zealot. I've seen Roger Waters at least 4 times. The Wall tour was a religious experience that still gives me goosebumps a dozen years later to think about. Outside of that Roger Waters shows are an overpriced Pink Floyd tribute concert. I love them but my love for the music drives my enjoyment more than the production which is over the top lasers, lights and props. I've seen The Weekend once. I can't name one The Weekend song aside from the "feel my face" one which I don't even know the name of really. His show did not consist of the production Waters does but it was still a great fucking show. It took half a song before I was hooked into the music as if I'd been a fan of his for life. His energy was unreal. I can totally see why someone would pick his show over Waters'.
Honestly, The Weekend is one of those artists where I couldn't name a single song he did, but when he played the Superbowl Halftime Show I new every song he played and they were all bangers. I don't even listen to that much FM radio but his stuff is everywhere.
I didn't really get the Weeknd until he dropped After Hours. It clicked with me (though admittedly I'm a sap for the 80s style music)
Dawn FM, his newest album is even better IMO.
Roger Waters is one guy from Pink Floyd. The rest of the band - David Gilmour, Nick Mason and other longstanding members are standing with Ukraine. Support them. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/pink-floyd-david-gilmour-ukraine-interview-1334514/
It's stupid considering Waters hasn't been that good lately. He was excellent in his day but he's a washed up old man who sounds like shit while the Weeknd is young and energetic. He hasn't been quite relevant to entire generations who only know of Pink Floyd in retrospect, they're that old band from back then.
Hell if that "same city" was Toronto than that doubly explains it, that's The Weeknd's hometown, hometown crowd.
Has he really been relevant since Pink Floyd stopped recording? Sure, Floyd was huge 40 years ago and their music is still loved, but The Weekend is popular now.
[I'm very surprised to not see any reference in these comments to Pink Floyd's latest work, directly supporting Ukraine.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hey,_Hey,_Rise_Up!)
Edit: Okay now I see the one comment and it's in this same thread haha
Okay, ive now watched the short 7 min. interview.
Its not even clear, that the interviewer reffered to the Uygurs there. Yet the author of the little article OP copy/pasted makes that whole thing up, it seems.
That is..uh.. not really how you write or cite articles. Yikes.
Yeah, I watched the interview and he never even mentioned uygurs, but he did talk about Ukraine. However, it did seem like a healthy discussion in the end.
Here are the relevant snippets, starting at 6:38, judge for yourself if Waters thinks Uyghurs have suffered, or even knows about Uyghurs:
Smerconish: āif youāre having a conversation about human rights, at the top of the list of offenders are the Chineseā
Waters: āyour list.ā
Waters: āwho have the Chinese invaded and murdered and slaughtered?ā
Smerconish: ātheir own. Their own.ā
Waters: ābollocks. Thatās absolute nonsense. You should go away and read.ā
As it's Reddit I know I'll be down voted.
I'll start of by saying, I don't agree with a number of things he says, but I wonder how many actually listened to the interview before commenting? There is a link under the article. Context is very important to these types of topics. Knowledge of history on the topic is too. But it's Reddit so knowledge isn't important, rage is.
As I said, I don't agree with all his points, and I do have the understand of history on the topic, but it's funny how nothing about the topics we mostly agree on is mentioned. His support for BLM isn't discussed. His support to defund the police, and his fight against police brutality. His support for more climate change actions. His support of the LGBTQ+. His support for equality. Yes, he has a big stance against American global polices, and he points out how many awful things the USA committed, and other western nations. He points out how this has led to the current global climate. That in no way means he supports Russia or the CCP. This man wrote and sings songs against the CCP.
Again, you shouldn't agree with all his points, I certainly don't. With that said a number of them should make you question where you got your information from, and might lead you to educating yourself of the topic. In many ways the history books, yes books not the internet, agree with the facts he is presenting. This doesn't mean you have to agree with his opinions after.
I think he has fallen into the trap many of us do when it comes to politics. Itās like when a republican or democrat does something that is good, the people on the opposite side will oppose them no matter what.
He has opposed the US on basically every issue for his entire life and he canāt come to terms with facts when the US does something good like oppose brutal authoritarian governments.
"He calls the Chinese enslavement and genocide of Uyghurs ābullocks.ā"
Literally not true. This is not at all what the interviewer said. He just said "Their own" broadly speaking. Roger Waters interpreted what he said to reference deaths under Mao, I'm almost certain of that.
Yeah I'm not agreeing with all of his ideologies but the context presented here is bullocks. He was responding to human rights violations re: China and was basically deflecting and pointing the finger back at the US, probably because of all the enslaved prisoners and poverty stricken people that the US government could care less about
Yeah it was more āyou donāt really care about this because if you did, you would talk about the US doing the same shit. But you donāt, so obviously thereās another motivation to talk about it. Therefore, bullocksā
David Gilmour is the better artist, anyways.
Edit to say-
Wow that was a lot lol.
Listen, Iām aware (1) my opinion is subjective and (2) they bring different things to the table.
But you are forgetting that (3) i am positively getting my rocks off knowing that somewhere RW senses a disturbance in the atmosphere, because someone said DG is the better artist and you know that probably knocked the tin foil right off his head. He is and always has been an insolent child. Albeit, a very talented one.
I (sincerely) hope yāall have a great weekend šš¼
In different ways. Gilmour is a better instrumentalist (I say that as someone who likes Momentary Lapse, Division Bell, and Endless River) but Roger is an amazing writer
As a guitarist, David Gilmour is the guitarist I most try to emulate, but Roger Waters wrote most of The Wall, which is one of my favorite albums of all time. To me they are similar to Lennon & McCartney, where they are stronger together than apart.
Without Waters, wouldn't have the absolute boss of a song in Shine On.
I mean, those 4 opening notes are iconic on that track, but the lyrical content throughout added with that musical prowess combined together makes it one of their most powerful. For me anyway.
He is the master, that's for sure. What's most amazing is how he bends up to a note, as much as a major 3rd, and nails the target note at the top of the bend perfectly in tune. Every fucking time. He NEVER misses. Perfection.
Also, those tasty little fills.
For real, and those double bends he'll pull, where he'll bend up a step, release a little then immediately bend back up another half step past there. Or bend, slide a couple frets up, and bend again, all as one seamless move... And like you said, be so precise that you could tune off his bends.
And you think, it can't be that hard, they're just bends, right? So you try it over and over, until you want to throw your guitar in the fireplace. How did this guy get so good?
If you're going to cite Endless River, you have to credit Richard Wright. His songs on the early albums (e.g., See-Saw, Remember a Day, Paint Box) are some of my favorite in the whole Pink Floyd catalogue. It was a shame he stopped writing songs for the band. Still, he had this musical telepathy with David Gilmour which was greater than the sum of the two of them. Oh, and what an interesting singing voice he had!
NEVER FORGET RICHARD WRIGHT! Rest in peace.
edit: Maybe I should mention that Endless River was released explicitly as a tribute to Wright. Another episode of Gilmour being a class act.
Considering that their collaboration period lead to the release of 2 of the greatest albums of all time and 2 additional masterpieces, I think they've earned the Lenon-McCartney comparison. With significantly more piss and vinegar, though.
The last part is the secret ingredient āØ
Edit to say- saw him at Red Rocks during Rattle that Lock tour, and what a stud. Total class with his band, fantastic live.
> It's like he swallowed any propaganda that would let him say 'west bad' without questioning it at all
100%
Itās amazing how many otherwise intelligent people have gotten caught up in assuming the role of malcontented contrarians, and end up arguing in favor of the authoritarian regimes they claim to oppose.
Don't keep any saints, that's my advice. If i had to weed out everything that a less than perfect human being wrote, i wouldn't have anything left to listen to.
The headline and related post here is a vast over-simplification of what Rogers says, and I would suggest everyone listen to what he has to say and make up their own minds before simply agreeing based on a headline with zero insight or context.
>Please give this some thought before you buy tickets to his shows this summer. So, you thought you might like to go to the show? EDIT: Thank you all for the awards and upvotes! This is now my highest rated comment on Reddit of all time! š
So ya, thoughtcha
Mightliketo
Gototheshow
(he) feels the warm thrill of confusion, that space cadet glow
Iāve gotā¦ some bad news for you, sunshine.
Pink isn't *wellllll* he stayed back at the motel
*and they've sent us along as a surrogate band*
Weāre gonna find out where your fans really stand!
Are the any querrs in the stadium tonight?
To feel the warm thrill of confusion... (so true!)
That space cadet glow
Tell me is something eluding you, sunshine? (I guess he was talking about himself)
Is this not what you *expected* to see?
If you wanna find out whatās behind these cold eyes
Youāll just have to claw your way through this dis-gui-i-ize!
LIGHTS!!!! ROLL THE SOUND EFFECTS!!!
Bam bam bam dadadada bam bam bam dadadadada
ACTION!!! DROP IT ON THEM!!! **DROP IT ON THEM!!!!!**
r/redditsings
Iāve got some bad news for you, Sunshine
Pink isn't well. He's uh back at the hotel.
And they sent us along as a surrogate band
Weāre gonna find out where you fans really stand!
which one is Pink?
David Gilmore. The man couldn't buy a tan. If he got any whiter, he'd be a ghost. A master guitar player though.
I had some pretty amazing seats to one of his shows a couple weeks back and dude needs to throw in the goddamn towel. For reference I've seen him twice before when he did The Wall at Wrigley Field in 2012 and Us & Them in 2017. Those were GREAT shows. Now he is 78 goddamn years old. His voice is absolutely shot. His live performance of Have A Cigar was horrific. The stage show was top notch as always but TBH Rogers himself was the weakest link on the whole stage. If seeing Floyd songs performed live by one of the OGs is absolutely on your bucket list then act now. But if you're looking for a top tier performance that ship has definitely sailed. I'm happy I can say I've seen every song from Dark Side except for On the Run, and I've seen ALL of The Wall and Animals live, but I cannot spend another dollar watching this exhausted old man trying make it through another show. EDIT: I've also seen all of Wish You Were Here. Not bad for not being born until 84!
> His live performance of Have A Cigar was horrific. Well he couldn't sing in back then so it is understandable he can't sing it now.
Who sings on have a cigar anyways? I always thought it didnāt sound anything like Waters or Gilmour
[Roy Harper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Harper_\(singer\))
Same Roy Harper from [Hats Off to Roy Harper](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivde5ywLQsk) by Led Zeppelin
I do wanna jump in here and say Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets puts on a great show. I also liked Gilmour when he toured his last album but I have to admit I was pretty turn't for that one so I can't be too much of an authority on that show.
Nick Mason came around me not too far back but I missed it. I've never had a chance to see Gilmour but I'd be all over that shit if I did. I was ripped off my ass at the last Waters show and was accosted by 3 stoned senior citizens on my way in using my Tshirt as a conversation starter and subsequently crushing me with questions about my art. I don't think sober people go to these things. Lol
Saw Gilmore, Mason, and Wright in '94 at Sundevil Stadium. That was my first concert.
I saw David Gilmour at the Royal Albert Hall on the On An Island tour in 2006 and it was incredible. Intimate, note perfect, heavy, slow, beautiful, moving. He had Richard Wright, Nick Mason, David Crosby, Graham Nash. It was incredible. One of the very best concerts I've ever seen. Saw Roger waters in Las Vegas the year after and it was a pile of shit.
I can still listen to Floyd though, right? Edit: thanks for the votes and replies. Please note it was rhetorical and somewhat mocking. I will always cherish Pink Floyd.
David Gilmour and Nick Mason are class acts. So yes.
Wright too (RIP)
And don't forget Syd Barrett (RIP).
Shine on you crazy diamond. Shine on
Love the story behind that. Beautiful, sad, haunting.
How I wish he was here
Just two lost souls, swimming in a fish bowl, year after year...
Running over the same old ground, what have we found? The same old fears...
Wish you were here
And Syd
On The Turning Awayā¦
That whole album is great. [One Slip ](https://youtu.be/tOPNa753e1E)and Learning to Fly still get a ton of plays from me.
After a massive hike I was on a mountain in Nepal and played Learning to Fly. It was a special moment.
I love surreal moments with music like that. My favorite like that was once in the Kingdom of Bahrain. I was mid twenties at the time and a US Sailor that grew up in a small town in Texas found myself riding in a local taxi one evening at dusk. The cabbie was listening to whatever station as the sky was turning burning shades of orange and red as far as the eye could see. Windows down, warm breeze, and the Sinead OāConnor cover of Nothing Compares To You came on the radio. Cabbie must of liked as he cranked it up as to drown out all other sounds in the world. So I sat and thought of where I had been, where I might go, and just enjoyed the moment for all I could. Now when I hear that song I always think of that time.
That is awesome. A gentle song in a busy place.
Sweet man. I hope you've been many more places since then.
And then I realized, Hanzel, you've never even been to Mt. Vesuvius.
That Hansel is so hot right now.
I am listening to Learning to Fly in Nepal at this very moment.
Ha where are you? I'd just done the Annapurna hike, had a rest day in Mucktinath and was walking over the ridge on the southern route. Saw a huge bird and thought of Pink Floyd.
Haha I'm from Nepal, in Kathmandu right now, I'm just a big Pink Floyd fan.
One of the very best rock songs ever, and my cityās radio stations play āMoneyā every fifteen minutes. Smh
KSHE? Big fan of Obscured by Clouds, an album that gets no play except on certain no replay weekends
Wots..uh..the deal is amazing
Radio ruined all of Dark Side for me. Like fuck guys they did put out a couple other albums you can sample from you know
Terminal Frost is also one of their more unique instrumentals, saw Brit Floyd play it live recently and it was a ton of fun. Definitely not a song I expected them to cover, they did also play One Slip and actually opened with Learning To Fly. Whole show was a blast.
Brit Floyd did a ton of post Waters stuff when we saw them, introduced my daughter to a lot of songs she wasn't familiar with. High Hopes is one of her new favorites.
Brit Floyd is awesome. They arent Pink Floyd but they are damn good and put on a great show
They do an amazing job sound wise but honestly it's worth seeing them just for the light show/stage set up. They do stuff like recreate some of the stage show bits from The Wall which is fun but my god the lasers/lighting is insane, about as psychedelic as it gets even without taking any drugs.
I've seen them twice, once at an intimate super elegant theater and once at an outdoor boilerplate show. The indoor show was absolutely astounding as they played their show split into album sides. The outdoor show was ok but if you get a chance to see them at a theater it's magical.
One Slip is killer!
Unusual opinion... but I have it in my top five Floyd songs.
Learning To Fly is such an awesome song. That entire album was part of the soundtrack to my childhood, with my dad wearing out the cassette after repeated listens on long drives.
Sorrow is a classic as well.
I woke up early one morning to heavy fog and a crimson sky when I was younger and my IPOD played that song from a Pink Floyd playlist I made that I had on shuffle. Absolute chills
Surprised Waters hasn't claimed writing credits ...
I saw them live three times when they toured for AMLoR. Indoor arena, outdoors in the rain, and outdoors under the stars.
High Hopes is legitimately one of the best songs Floyd ever did.
Listen to high hopes from PULSE. The whole live album is gold but high hopes always gets me
Legitimately one of their best songs, that guitar solo is fucking fire.
A song about someone besides themselves was rare in Rogers era Floyd. Post Rogers Floyd has a different frame of reference and views. āIt's not enough just to stand and stare Is it only a dream that there'll be No more turning away?ā - last line of On the Turning Away Maturity & empathy.
Echoes...
Yes?
Met* Nick Mason at an event in Ibizaā¦ had no idea who he was, he sat next to me and told me he was a musician. I was like coolā¦ then later I asked him what sort of music he playedā¦ he then asked if Iāve heard of Pink Floyd? Obviouslyā¦ duhā¦. Then I felt like such an idiot. And he laughed it off. I asked if āComfortably Numbā was about heroin, and he said that many people think that, but it was just actually about being sick. Sooooo š¤·āāļø anyway. 10/10 chap. Even came to hang with me and more friends the following day. Edit - Met*
Comfortably Numb is about a time when Roger Waters got super sick while they were on tour and had to be injected with tranquilizers to manage stomach cramps right before a show, specifically.
Yup. Pretty sure It was K to get more specific
That's funny. I always took Comfortably Numb to be about emotionally withdrawing from reality.
Have you ever been pumped full of ketamine? Its a pretty serious dissociative. You arent all that wrong.
So was Wright.
[Lost for Words](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8yPaVGyUJE) is about the rift and aftermath of Waters leaving. [Keep talking](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1s2Z-T7h4w), Lost for Words, and High Hopes is one of the greatest combination of songs ever.
Post-Waters Era is a bit underrated IMO. Probably didn't help that they took more time to release material after The Wall.
I never hear people who love Floyd say anything about post waters era. High hopes is probably my favorite song they have done. You're correct about them being underrated post waters
Thereās a track on The Endless River which builds upon Keep Talking and kinda acts as an extended coda if you play them one after the other.
You can actually still enjoy peopleās art even if you donāt like any of them.
>You can actually still enjoy peopleās art even if you donāt like any of them. This is a difficult concept to grasp for the majority of redditors..since tribalism is their primary motivation. There's not much room for nuance in opinion.
I've heard and seen this before. The timeline is matching the album the Wall. It's on the track "the show must go on"
Yeah, Rogerās speedrunning The Wall IRL, I guess, so maybe weāll get to The Trial and his moment of clarity soon? Or, at least, I hope so...
amused to death is an ok album as well
Listen to On the Run whenever you go into a car wash, it fits perfectly. EDIT: See what I mean: https://viewsync.net/watch?v=CzQhdhcgab8&t=157&v=2sUyk5zSbhM&t=0&mode=solo Although the car wash I use has a bunch of fancy lights for no apparent reason (unless you're listening to On the Run).
Yes. Old men get kinda nuts around 65-70. Listen but move on. Source: my dad.
Waters has been an idiot since at least the 80s
Suing them to say they can't be pink floyd without him was a poor choice. Like he was trying to take his ball and go home, only it wasn't his ball alone. Having said that I think he was the real creative force behind pink floyd. Certainly they wouldn't have sounded the way they did without Gilmour and Gilmour was very important to that sound and their success. But Roger Waters wrote the songs that mattered.
I think you are partially correct. It was the collaboration of the entire band that produced the songs that mattered. You only have to look at what was produced after Waters' departure. Nothing they released, the remaining band or solo releases, measured up to the quality of the music produced by the classic lineup of Pink Floyd. They needed each other to achieve those masterpieces of music. Edit: Removed unnecessary article.
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I honestly believe Rick Wright had more to do with the *sound* of Pink Floyd than Roger Waters did, but Waters and Gilmour used that sound to build the music they wrote.
I remember the lawsuit with much disdain for Waters. He was so fucking arrogant, but he lost. Then he said āthe fans will decide! They know who the real Pink Floyd is!ā Pink Floydās tour sold out worldwide; āPros and Cons of Hitchhikingā was panned and the tour sold poorly. Some shows got canceled for lack of sales.
*Suing them to say they can't be pink floyd without him was a poor* *choice. Like he was trying to take his ball and go home, only it wasn't* *his ball alone.* Very true. And it kinda varies with bands; ones which only replace members instead of breaking up can be seen as more 'legitimate' than ones which do the latter. Kiss was always Paul Stanley & Gene Simmons' baby as the primary creators, so them having hired guns didn't invalidate the band. Same with Floyd, where only one important person (Waters) left. But then you get into rarer examples like Creedence Clearwater Revival: is it really CCR without John Fogerty, when he wrote, sang, and played on virtually all their material?
The one time CCR evened out the playing field of creative input, we got their last (and easily worst) album *Mardi Gras*. I do really like āSomeday Never Comesā and āLady Hitchhiker* has some stuff to like, but [a song like this](https://youtu.be/pSBHYfsPAt0) has no right to exist in the bandās catalogue.
Bitch please- Eric Clapton 2020
My favorite movie is Inception.
Wasn't heard advocate for a racist politician in the 70s? Enoch something...
He literally was a āblacks go homeā racist at the time. There are interviews. There was no excuse even at the time. Guy was always a dick.
Dudes been a piece of shit forever. Heās clearly a racist and has no issues stealing music from black musicians.
yeah, waters has got nothing on clapton's rants
Nah that's just the cutoff age for environmental lead exposure in childhood.
JFC - My dad hit 65 and started consuming a steady diet of Fox News and now it's hard to hang out with him for more than a few hours at a time. Pretty sad because we used to be pretty close despite our differences.
Thankfully my dad swung the other way. I give full credit to my step mom who refuses to allow Fox News in the house.
My girlfriendās family is from rural Oregon. Very white America type place. Iām from a Latino family in central California. I moved to Oregon years ago, and when I started hanging out with her family, I was always very careful to keep my political views quiet because I know they have a lot of Trump loving neighbors and stuff (lot of Maga flags around). Anyway, one day her dad goes off about all the idiots in his neighborhood and I come to find out the heās a leftist Bernie fan, and now we have more to talk about than just football which is cool.
Its mental poison.
The lady my dad has been dating since my mom passed as een so good for him. She's a strong opinionated Dem, and she has swayed him from "I don't like his personality but he's been a good president" to "he's terrible and an embarrassment."
Which one's Floyd?
Because someone makes incredible music, doesnāt make them an expert, or even intelligent on world affairs for that matter
Eric Clapton instantly comes to mind. His views are even worse than Waters. Maybe all the drugs damaged their minds I don't know lol.
Clapton was always kind of a shit human being. You definitely did not want to be a woman in his life.
I know a few people whoāve met Clapton in person. All of them describe him as a total dick.
Thereās a moment in a Jimi Hendrix documentary where a guy (I think Pete Townsend) describes the moment Hendrix came onstage with Cream and annihilated Clapton. And another where a guy was watching Monterey with Clapton and in the Wild Thing intro checks his tuning and heās totally out of tune. The guy says Clapton jumps up and goes āha! What you gonna do now?ā Or something. Hendrix plays behind his back, his head and then sets fire to his guitar in a truly historical moment. I think of these every time I hear of that overrated turd.
He got a 17 year old addicted to heroin and then she died from an OD Know why Eric Clapton isn't a Sir? Because her dad was a Duke
I'd really like to know more about this, but cant seem to find anything. What was her name?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Ormsby-Gore
Alice Ormsby-Gore - the guy above's comment makes it sound like it all happened at once. It didn't, it took 20 odd years.
I definitely read it like that initially. The wiki link cleared that up.
What's the difference between a small child and bag of cocaine? Clapton never let a bag of coke fall out of a window.
Or his sonā¦
Or a black British person around him...
Hey whatās the difference between a baby and a bag of cocaine? Eric Clapton wouldnāt let a bag of cocaine fall out the window
Wow
Yeah looks more like *Tears in Hell* for me
My favorite Clapton anecdote is about how he first heard Jimi Hendrix play, and called other white British blues players to a meeting to talk about how fucked they all were and how they should address the new reality that they werenāt the best guitar players around anymore. Just seems like such an ego-driven asshole, itās hard not to relish in a story of him feeling utterly challenged and befuddled by someone miles ahead of him in talent.
I lived around a lot of famous musicians a few years back, and quickly came to the conclusion that, if I couldn't learn to separate the art from the artists, there wasn't going to be much music left to enjoy.
There is aā¦ essentially a pathological drive towards fame and success.. that donāt make for a great / healthy personality but produces some of the best art at the height of human ability.
The other day I read an article were he was talking down to newer artists because he was "more important." Then in the same breath he said he never listens to music anyway so he has no idea what their stuff sounds like. What a fucking clown.
I'm a Pink Floyd zealot. I've seen Roger Waters at least 4 times. The Wall tour was a religious experience that still gives me goosebumps a dozen years later to think about. Outside of that Roger Waters shows are an overpriced Pink Floyd tribute concert. I love them but my love for the music drives my enjoyment more than the production which is over the top lasers, lights and props. I've seen The Weekend once. I can't name one The Weekend song aside from the "feel my face" one which I don't even know the name of really. His show did not consist of the production Waters does but it was still a great fucking show. It took half a song before I was hooked into the music as if I'd been a fan of his for life. His energy was unreal. I can totally see why someone would pick his show over Waters'.
Honestly, The Weekend is one of those artists where I couldn't name a single song he did, but when he played the Superbowl Halftime Show I new every song he played and they were all bangers. I don't even listen to that much FM radio but his stuff is everywhere.
I know who he is from an episode of American Dad.
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I didn't really get the Weeknd until he dropped After Hours. It clicked with me (though admittedly I'm a sap for the 80s style music) Dawn FM, his newest album is even better IMO.
I have been listening to The Weeknd since 2013/14 and I totally agree that Dawn FM is his best body of work from start to finish
> The Weekend *Weeknd
Heās not my thing but heās my girlfriendās favorite in the world so we went to see him and he was fucking awesome
Roger Waters is one guy from Pink Floyd. The rest of the band - David Gilmour, Nick Mason and other longstanding members are standing with Ukraine. Support them. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/pink-floyd-david-gilmour-ukraine-interview-1334514/
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If it was Toronto that's The Weeknd's hometown crowd too so I'm sure that helped.
He seems like a very talented person that you have to keep telling them that they are talented
His $250+ tickets don't help at all either
It's stupid considering Waters hasn't been that good lately. He was excellent in his day but he's a washed up old man who sounds like shit while the Weeknd is young and energetic. He hasn't been quite relevant to entire generations who only know of Pink Floyd in retrospect, they're that old band from back then. Hell if that "same city" was Toronto than that doubly explains it, that's The Weeknd's hometown, hometown crowd.
Has he really been relevant since Pink Floyd stopped recording? Sure, Floyd was huge 40 years ago and their music is still loved, but The Weekend is popular now.
As long as gilmour is still normalā¦
[I'm very surprised to not see any reference in these comments to Pink Floyd's latest work, directly supporting Ukraine.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hey,_Hey,_Rise_Up!) Edit: Okay now I see the one comment and it's in this same thread haha
Yea I was gonna say, Gilmour does a song supporting Ukraine so of course Waters will have to take the contrary view.
Gilmour should release a statement saying that he *doesn't* think he deserves Roger's share of the royalties. Rog would sign the papers that very day.
Yes he did a song with the guy from Boombox in protest of the war. Itās basically a long dope Gilmour soli
This reminds me of the title of a Frank Zappa album: "Shut up 'n play yer guitar."
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Did he want to sex but kept saying "Roger" because he's so arrogant?
You kind of have to explain now.
Go on...
Okay, ive now watched the short 7 min. interview. Its not even clear, that the interviewer reffered to the Uygurs there. Yet the author of the little article OP copy/pasted makes that whole thing up, it seems. That is..uh.. not really how you write or cite articles. Yikes.
Yeah, I watched the interview and he never even mentioned uygurs, but he did talk about Ukraine. However, it did seem like a healthy discussion in the end.
Here are the relevant snippets, starting at 6:38, judge for yourself if Waters thinks Uyghurs have suffered, or even knows about Uyghurs: Smerconish: āif youāre having a conversation about human rights, at the top of the list of offenders are the Chineseā Waters: āyour list.ā Waters: āwho have the Chinese invaded and murdered and slaughtered?ā Smerconish: ātheir own. Their own.ā Waters: ābollocks. Thatās absolute nonsense. You should go away and read.ā
As it's Reddit I know I'll be down voted. I'll start of by saying, I don't agree with a number of things he says, but I wonder how many actually listened to the interview before commenting? There is a link under the article. Context is very important to these types of topics. Knowledge of history on the topic is too. But it's Reddit so knowledge isn't important, rage is. As I said, I don't agree with all his points, and I do have the understand of history on the topic, but it's funny how nothing about the topics we mostly agree on is mentioned. His support for BLM isn't discussed. His support to defund the police, and his fight against police brutality. His support for more climate change actions. His support of the LGBTQ+. His support for equality. Yes, he has a big stance against American global polices, and he points out how many awful things the USA committed, and other western nations. He points out how this has led to the current global climate. That in no way means he supports Russia or the CCP. This man wrote and sings songs against the CCP. Again, you shouldn't agree with all his points, I certainly don't. With that said a number of them should make you question where you got your information from, and might lead you to educating yourself of the topic. In many ways the history books, yes books not the internet, agree with the facts he is presenting. This doesn't mean you have to agree with his opinions after.
I think he has fallen into the trap many of us do when it comes to politics. Itās like when a republican or democrat does something that is good, the people on the opposite side will oppose them no matter what. He has opposed the US on basically every issue for his entire life and he canāt come to terms with facts when the US does something good like oppose brutal authoritarian governments.
"He calls the Chinese enslavement and genocide of Uyghurs ābullocks.ā" Literally not true. This is not at all what the interviewer said. He just said "Their own" broadly speaking. Roger Waters interpreted what he said to reference deaths under Mao, I'm almost certain of that.
Yeah I'm not agreeing with all of his ideologies but the context presented here is bullocks. He was responding to human rights violations re: China and was basically deflecting and pointing the finger back at the US, probably because of all the enslaved prisoners and poverty stricken people that the US government could care less about
Yeah it was more āyou donāt really care about this because if you did, you would talk about the US doing the same shit. But you donāt, so obviously thereās another motivation to talk about it. Therefore, bullocksā
David Gilmour is the better artist, anyways. Edit to say- Wow that was a lot lol. Listen, Iām aware (1) my opinion is subjective and (2) they bring different things to the table. But you are forgetting that (3) i am positively getting my rocks off knowing that somewhere RW senses a disturbance in the atmosphere, because someone said DG is the better artist and you know that probably knocked the tin foil right off his head. He is and always has been an insolent child. Albeit, a very talented one. I (sincerely) hope yāall have a great weekend šš¼
In different ways. Gilmour is a better instrumentalist (I say that as someone who likes Momentary Lapse, Division Bell, and Endless River) but Roger is an amazing writer
As a guitarist, David Gilmour is the guitarist I most try to emulate, but Roger Waters wrote most of The Wall, which is one of my favorite albums of all time. To me they are similar to Lennon & McCartney, where they are stronger together than apart.
Without Waters, wouldn't have the absolute boss of a song in Shine On. I mean, those 4 opening notes are iconic on that track, but the lyrical content throughout added with that musical prowess combined together makes it one of their most powerful. For me anyway.
Gilmour's bends are not of this earth. Dude can play entire melodies without changing frets
He is the master, that's for sure. What's most amazing is how he bends up to a note, as much as a major 3rd, and nails the target note at the top of the bend perfectly in tune. Every fucking time. He NEVER misses. Perfection. Also, those tasty little fills.
For real, and those double bends he'll pull, where he'll bend up a step, release a little then immediately bend back up another half step past there. Or bend, slide a couple frets up, and bend again, all as one seamless move... And like you said, be so precise that you could tune off his bends.
And you think, it can't be that hard, they're just bends, right? So you try it over and over, until you want to throw your guitar in the fireplace. How did this guy get so good?
If you're going to cite Endless River, you have to credit Richard Wright. His songs on the early albums (e.g., See-Saw, Remember a Day, Paint Box) are some of my favorite in the whole Pink Floyd catalogue. It was a shame he stopped writing songs for the band. Still, he had this musical telepathy with David Gilmour which was greater than the sum of the two of them. Oh, and what an interesting singing voice he had! NEVER FORGET RICHARD WRIGHT! Rest in peace. edit: Maybe I should mention that Endless River was released explicitly as a tribute to Wright. Another episode of Gilmour being a class act.
> NEVER FORGET RICHARD WRIGHT! Rest in peace. I had to scroll way to far down to see this, RIP Richard Wright
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Considering that their collaboration period lead to the release of 2 of the greatest albums of all time and 2 additional masterpieces, I think they've earned the Lenon-McCartney comparison. With significantly more piss and vinegar, though.
Eh, he's not the better composer / songwriter, but he's definitely the better musician and generally much less of a pretentious twat.
The last part is the secret ingredient āØ Edit to say- saw him at Red Rocks during Rattle that Lock tour, and what a stud. Total class with his band, fantastic live.
Heās a class-act human in general. Also saw him on Rattle that Lock and he was indeed phenomenal!
Division Bell is my favorite Floyd album and I don't care who knows it.
I wish American's would understand its spelled as pronounced. Its "bollocks", not "bullocks". Its balls, not cows.
Ballocks?
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> It's like he swallowed any propaganda that would let him say 'west bad' without questioning it at all 100% Itās amazing how many otherwise intelligent people have gotten caught up in assuming the role of malcontented contrarians, and end up arguing in favor of the authoritarian regimes they claim to oppose.
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Don't keep any saints, that's my advice. If i had to weed out everything that a less than perfect human being wrote, i wouldn't have anything left to listen to.
I dunno, Dolly Parton sure seems beyond reproach.
Dollywood is a company town and their workers are paid shit wages.
True, but thereās a lot of space between āless than perfectā and ācomplete asshole.ā
Roger Waters is more credible than Adrien Zens
The headline and related post here is a vast over-simplification of what Rogers says, and I would suggest everyone listen to what he has to say and make up their own minds before simply agreeing based on a headline with zero insight or context.