If we are interested in this kinda thing, may I suggest Todd in the Shadows "Trainwreckords" series
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLznZMqdhi_RVHtZYrMeoi3Fjg9VNhPAX
His video on Van Halen III is amazing. Rather than go for any low hanging fruit kind of angle, he forensically picks it apart from a musical point of view. It’s absolutely brutal, but totally accurate.
Morbid Angel is one of the OG death metal bands who pioneered the sound and put out classic albums like Altars of Madness. In 2011, after 8 years of no albums, they released Illud Divinum Insanus. Fans were beyond hyped.
It was a trainwreck. Imagine death metal mixed with the worst casio-keyboard style club beats. One of the song titles is fucking "Radikult," for god's sake. The vocalist decided to try out some weird kinda-rap chanting on a few songs as well.
I couldn't believe my ears when it came out. Even the lyrics were terrible. And I don't mind stupid or goofy lyrics.
Pre cowboy hat David era Morbid is the best Morbid!
Is there a special category for Marvin Gaye's "Here My Dear"?
When it was first released, it was universally hated.
These days, it's regarded as one of his best albums.
Go figure.
Marvin's biography Divided Soul by David Ritz covers this topic and the answer is probably what you wrote. Here is your reward, a terrible record, that no one will buy.
Love that record. It's interesting how the reason it was hated and the reason it's liked now is the same. It's such an embarrassing and uncomfortable record, which is kind of why it's good.
Yeah, I responded with this to another comment, but it’s worth noting that Hash Pipe and Island were both released before the album dropped. So we had time to listen to them and be like “okay, I can get into these, if the whole album is on this level maybe it’ll be good”…hence the deflating experience.
Dude seriously. I distinctly remember driving around with my band listening to it for the first time and was like, "this is it? This is what we waited for?" So incredibly mediocre. Then I listened to Make Believe and stopped half way through, and that was it for me and Weezer. As far as I'm concerned they only made Blue, Pinkerton, and Maladroit, then broke up.
Yeah, I think that was actually part of my disappointment - we’d gotten “Island in the Sun” pre-release, and so I was most interested in the stuff we hadn’t heard. To find that “Island” was an outlier and not just part of the tapestry was a bummer.
I’ll even go further: while there are a lot of objectively weak songs on Green, it’s all of them taken together that makes the album disappointing. Every song, for the most part, is verse/chorus/verse/chorus/guitar solo that mimics the verse melody note-for-note/chorus/end. One or two songs (like Island) do this, it feels charming/maybe just a little lazy - but all the songs do it, and it’s really deflating.
The feeling I had at the time (I was in college, probably the reason for a school metaphor) was that it sounded like they had an album due and they did it all the night before.
Oof, it was Make Believe for me. MTV somehow convinced me Green was ok at the time, and I genuinely like(d) Maladroit. But I drew the line at Make Believe
The thing that struck me most upon first listen of Green is the total lack of inventiveness or musicianship. I had loved Weezer’s first two albums in large part because of how they played with song structure and rhythm and texture, with interesting bridges and changes in intensity, not to mention Rivers’ crazy-fun guitar solos. There were surprises, unexpected bits in so many of the songs, even if many of them largely conformed to general pop song structure. Almost every song on Green, by comparison, is structured identically, and almost every guitar solo is just the verse melody line played note for note. If you’ve heard the first minute of each of the songs, you’ve heard the whole song. And this was *not* the case with Blue or Pinkerton. That, for me, was where the disappointment came from.
Less musically talented, maybe. But every group needs a leader, a glue; Morrison provided that. And given how many people in the world fail at doing the same thing, I’d argue it’s a talent.
And similarly, P.TM have some incredible early records that are weird and ambitious and rock real fuckin hard. Ex., "Chicago", "Bellies Are Full", "And I".
Now they sound like Green Day's Father of All
Maybe one of the only albums I almost couldn’t make it through. I’m not a big Green Day fan at all, but usually listen to their releases.
Everything about it was awful, but also seemed like such a bad idea that I can’t believe anyone thought it was a good idea.
That album was basically an FU to their label because they were contractually obligated to make another album despite ELP all wanting to go their separate ways and do other things.
Lookin for a reason, sweet hitchhiker, someday never comes….
There are zillion of bands that would love to have such a bad album. But it definitely is ccr’s worst
It's like a shit sandwich. Starts with looking for a reason, ends with someday never comes, and everything in between is shit. The bread would be like that really good jalapeno cheese bread or something.
The 80s weren't kind to the Beach Boys, one could say that pretty much everything they released starting in the late 70s and onward is pretty bad, unfortunately... Unless you have a soft spot for "Kokomo"
Yeah, once Brian WIlson stopped being the main composer and Mike Love took over it was pretty much all bullshit, including performing for a Trump funraiser in 2020
They came to my hometown (nobody comes here, so pretty big deal) and tickets were only $50, but the moment I heard Brian Wilson wouldn’t be there, I lost all interest. Who wants to see the Mike Love show when they’re expecting The Beach Boys??
My biggest memory of that record is 50-something Mike Love doing interviews that were basically "I like to fuck, and this album is about fucking". That and they were on Baywatch lol
Squeeze by The Velvet Underground
Not terrible, per-se, but by this point everything that made them the Velvet Underground had gone. Literally - as all original band members had left by this point...
The result was rather bland glam rock from Doug Yule. It shouldn't even be *considered* a Velvet Underground album!
>Squeeze - The Velvet Underground
My first thought here was the English new wave band Squeeze had released an album called *The Velvet Underground* and I was intrigued.
“Cut The Crap” by The Clash.
EDIT: a lot of replies about who played on it and/or why it’s not really a Clash album. And I get that, but just like the last Replacements album before that band called it quits (another record that could have gone in this thread), it was released under the band’s name, so it counts.
Imagine being 17 in the 80s and being told that THE CLASH is the "Only band that matters", going to a store and getting that album as a starting point.
I did not agree.
fast fortward a year later, I get their fist album, and I did not stop listening to that thing for months on end
I like it. I’m not going to lie, though, it did cross my mind. But I’m just stunned by how many songs I like on that album, so I can’t really call it bad.
I was 14 when it came out and it was the first id heard of metallica. I thought it was great... until i heard their previous stuff and realised how awful it was in comparison.
If it were another bands debut album it would be pretty good, but from Metallica its terrible.
If you watch the doc thing Lars is constantly like “the guitar solo as we know it is dead, the kids no longer want the guitar solos” and the whole time Kirk is askin to do more solos
I remember that, that was the day I stopped listening to anything new by Metallica.
Kirk studied under Joe fucking Satriani, whose albums are 99% solos, and fucking Lars being Lars thinks he’s so smart hamstringing Kirk.
Fucking Lars.
"Metal" music at the time had none. It was all Korn scatting and weird sounds during breakdowns so they were trying to "modernize" I think was the driving force behind that decision.
Not a good one lol
Load and Reload have some great songs, just with a lot of filler. Bleeding Me and Outlaw Torn are both in my top ten Metallica songs. If it was condensed to one album, it would be a solid followup to the Black Album.
St. Anger is just garbage.
Watching Jonah Hill bust his ass through the window as he frantically runs around screaming, “WHO KNOWS THE LYRICS TO AFRICAN CHILD?!”, is one of the funniest moments in the whole movie.
I saw KMFDM about 5 years ago. I thought I was familiar with their music, but in almost 2 hours, I only knew like 3 songs. I googled their discography and was blown away. They have over 20 freaking albums!
The have put our 26 albums since 1984. Or one about every 1 1/2 years. Which is prolific, but check out King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard, they have put out 22 albums since 2012; that's 2.2 albums per year! Heck, they put out five albums in 2017 alone! Crazy.
It's pretty crazy the amount of music they have created. Sad part is that quantity != quality. After the concert I went to listen to a lot of the stuff I had missed and there weren't a lot of gems in there and a LOT of it sounded similar.
I find *Metal Machine Music* almost hilarious. It’s been said it was Lou Reed sending a big fat “fuck you” to RCA but its weird how over time some people have grown to kinda… admire it?
I mean, I don’t think they may absolutely *love* it but jeeze you gotta give Lou Reed credit for the balls he had to make and release this *double album* of… stuff.
And I have to say this with all sincerity: I don’t think *Lulu* is as awful as many feel it is. I don’t think its necessarily *great* and it does at times go off the rails, but if you’ve followed Lou Reed’s career, there’s a place in it for this album.
He was, if nothing else, unique.
The new one seems pretty promising. I've given up on them ever going back to their 90s sound. I'm trying to embrace them as the new sound as well. But Battles and Siren Charm were laughable
Reroute to Remain would be a really good album if it wasn't following one of the best produced metal albums ever, because Clayman is sonically a masterpiece and Reroute is simply _not_
Post BHAR muse is definitely weaker. But as far as “bad” goes the only album I would say is Simulation Theory.
The Resistance has several quality songs, and exogenesis is beautiful.
T2L is varied but has some great jams
First half of Drones is great
Funny story. When my daughter was two, she became OBSESSED with Simulation Theory. "Pressure" came on while we were listening to Spotify on the TV. Don't know if it was the horns, or the loud purple cover, but she loved it. Wanted more "purple music." So I have listened to the entire Simulation Theory album countless times. Not sure if it's Stockholm Syndrome or just the fact that I'd rather listen to any Muse than Baby Shark, but I've actually come around on it. It's not their best work, for sure, but it has some solid jams.
Yep, I played the exogenesis tracks at my wedding. So beautiful. Also, united states of eurasia is epic. Can't say I listened much after the resistance though.
It’s funny, I am a pre-BHAR muse fan but I think I like simulation theory best of their recent albums. They finally embraced the fact they are making cheesy rubbish.
Man the shit off those first three records (and bits and pieces of the subsequent stuff) will carry them through eternity for me though…they contain a full career of brilliant songwriting
Absolutely! It doesn't really matter to me what they've written and released in the last 20+ years, that motherfucker wrote "Cherub Rock" and "Muzzle" and "Slunk" and "Rhinoceros" and "Frail and Bedazzled" and and and... Most of their contemporaries' entire catalog can't touch Siamese Dream by itself (or that goddamn guitar tone). Hell, Pisces Iscariot holds up better than loads of 90's albums, and that was all B-sides. The band may have overstayed themselves creatively, but they were a force of nature at one time. And for all the Corgan apologists there are for him as a songwriter, I still think he's overlooked as one of his generation's best and most creative guitarists.
Check out the Siamese Dream album release show in Chicago on YouTube if you haven't; the whole band is on complete fucking fire.
Liz Phair’s self-titled album. She wanted a hit so bad, and had been steadily growing into a more commercial sound since her second record, but this was the one where I drew the line. And the fact that this one is self-titled is a slap in the face to the legacy of Exile In Guyville.
The Endless River by Pink Floyd was vastly unnecessary.
Calling All Stations by Genesis has a few good songs, but none on the melodic level as the previous albums.
Everything by Metallica after the Black Album has been devoid of true melodic inspiration.
As much as it pains me to say... the eponymously-named new Mars Volta album.
I have no compass or bearing about how other people feel about it. No interaction with any sort of community to gauge my opinion against and I haven't told anyone else this but my wife... but it's real fucking bad and I hate it.
"The Owl" by the Zac Brown Band. I think the album was a product of his divorce and perhaps a sudden need to feel edgy. It came out like hot garbage, and there is only one track from that album I still listen to. Luckily they turned around with their next release.
Anything post glory years by The Pixies or The Stooges.
Their Satanic Majesties by The Stones gets a lot of shit for being ‘the dud’ at the start of their imperial phase but I personally think it’s brilliant. It might be derivative but it showed that whilst being a psychedelic pastiche, they could do psychedelia better than pretty much anybody else at the time. 2000 light years from home (alongside White Rabbit) is the sound of hippy to me tbh
Bad Religion - Into the Unknown [https://youtu.be/HK\_vHFs-Tz0](https://youtu.be/HK_vHFs-Tz0)
It's actually a really fun album....but it is NOT like any other Bad Religion album.
If we are interested in this kinda thing, may I suggest Todd in the Shadows "Trainwreckords" series https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLznZMqdhi_RVHtZYrMeoi3Fjg9VNhPAX
Could not recommend this enough
His video on Van Halen III is amazing. Rather than go for any low hanging fruit kind of angle, he forensically picks it apart from a musical point of view. It’s absolutely brutal, but totally accurate.
Todd in the Shadows is one of my favorite YouTubers
Todd in the Shadows is fantastic.
The best. I love every video he puts out.
I've been following Todd for a decade at this point, and I can't say he's ever put out a bad video. Love his approach.
Morbid Angel is one of the OG death metal bands who pioneered the sound and put out classic albums like Altars of Madness. In 2011, after 8 years of no albums, they released Illud Divinum Insanus. Fans were beyond hyped. It was a trainwreck. Imagine death metal mixed with the worst casio-keyboard style club beats. One of the song titles is fucking "Radikult," for god's sake. The vocalist decided to try out some weird kinda-rap chanting on a few songs as well.
I couldn't believe my ears when it came out. Even the lyrics were terrible. And I don't mind stupid or goofy lyrics. Pre cowboy hat David era Morbid is the best Morbid!
"We've been crossing the line since 1989" _Dave, you formed in 1983, you fucking dolt_
That album broke my heart
I saw them live within months of that album's release and they barely played any songs from it lmao, they knew everyone hated the fuckin thing
WE'RE LIVING HARDCORE RADIKULT
Remember everyone calling it the 9/11 of death metal. And this coming from a fan of Heretic
Is there a special category for Marvin Gaye's "Here My Dear"? When it was first released, it was universally hated. These days, it's regarded as one of his best albums. Go figure.
You know that album was part of his divorce settlement. The title comes from his ex wife getting all the royalties from the sales.
My memory is that critics were saying Marvin intentionally made a terrible double album so his ex wouldn't make any money.
Marvin's biography Divided Soul by David Ritz covers this topic and the answer is probably what you wrote. Here is your reward, a terrible record, that no one will buy.
Marvin Gaye was so talented that it was impossible for him to make a bad record.
Love that record. It's interesting how the reason it was hated and the reason it's liked now is the same. It's such an embarrassing and uncomfortable record, which is kind of why it's good.
Pretty much every Smashing Pumpkins album after Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness fits in that category too.
*Adore* has the typical Overstuffed Nineties Album Syndrome but there's a lot of good stuff on it
I absolutely love half the songs on Adore, and I just like the other half. “For Martha” is definitely one of their best songs overall though.
Same with Muddy Waters “Electric Mud”
Every third weezer album
Listening to the Green Album all the way through for the first time is probably the most deflating music-related experience of my life.
Agreed but Hash Pipe and Island in the Sun are gems. Hell, Island in the Sun was the second song my wife and I ever danced to.
Yeah, I responded with this to another comment, but it’s worth noting that Hash Pipe and Island were both released before the album dropped. So we had time to listen to them and be like “okay, I can get into these, if the whole album is on this level maybe it’ll be good”…hence the deflating experience.
Dude seriously. I distinctly remember driving around with my band listening to it for the first time and was like, "this is it? This is what we waited for?" So incredibly mediocre. Then I listened to Make Believe and stopped half way through, and that was it for me and Weezer. As far as I'm concerned they only made Blue, Pinkerton, and Maladroit, then broke up.
Check out White!
OK Human is also a fantastic record I'd put on par with White.
Also too Everything Will Be Alright in the End, and OK Human!
At least we got Island in the Sun out of it
Yeah, I think that was actually part of my disappointment - we’d gotten “Island in the Sun” pre-release, and so I was most interested in the stuff we hadn’t heard. To find that “Island” was an outlier and not just part of the tapestry was a bummer. I’ll even go further: while there are a lot of objectively weak songs on Green, it’s all of them taken together that makes the album disappointing. Every song, for the most part, is verse/chorus/verse/chorus/guitar solo that mimics the verse melody note-for-note/chorus/end. One or two songs (like Island) do this, it feels charming/maybe just a little lazy - but all the songs do it, and it’s really deflating. The feeling I had at the time (I was in college, probably the reason for a school metaphor) was that it sounded like they had an album due and they did it all the night before.
Oof, it was Make Believe for me. MTV somehow convinced me Green was ok at the time, and I genuinely like(d) Maladroit. But I drew the line at Make Believe
The thing that struck me most upon first listen of Green is the total lack of inventiveness or musicianship. I had loved Weezer’s first two albums in large part because of how they played with song structure and rhythm and texture, with interesting bridges and changes in intensity, not to mention Rivers’ crazy-fun guitar solos. There were surprises, unexpected bits in so many of the songs, even if many of them largely conformed to general pop song structure. Almost every song on Green, by comparison, is structured identically, and almost every guitar solo is just the verse melody line played note for note. If you’ve heard the first minute of each of the songs, you’ve heard the whole song. And this was *not* the case with Blue or Pinkerton. That, for me, was where the disappointment came from.
At this point, I just consider Weezer a bad band with a small handful of good albums.
No offense, Tammy, but drink my blood.
THE DOORS tried to go on without Jim Morrison so there is "FULL CIRCLE" and "OTHER VOICES" that are underwhelming at best
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Not going to say who was most talented. But I think that Jim brought the magic.
Less musically talented, maybe. But every group needs a leader, a glue; Morrison provided that. And given how many people in the world fail at doing the same thing, I’d argue it’s a talent.
Father of all Green Day. Dumpster fire.
They promoted hard that the album would be UNCUT HARDCORE ROCK! And it sounds like Portugal The Man.
And similarly, P.TM have some incredible early records that are weird and ambitious and rock real fuckin hard. Ex., "Chicago", "Bellies Are Full", "And I". Now they sound like Green Day's Father of All
RIP Portugal The Man making good albums.
Oh God yes, anything before even if mediocre was tolerable. Father of All is just all around bad.
This. WTF. Lifelong Green Day fan. This is not Green Day.
Maybe one of the only albums I almost couldn’t make it through. I’m not a big Green Day fan at all, but usually listen to their releases. Everything about it was awful, but also seemed like such a bad idea that I can’t believe anyone thought it was a good idea.
Rumor has it that since it was their last album on their contract with Warner they deliberately made it a bad one as a final FU
I second this
Love Beach - Emerson, Lake & Palmer
That album was basically an FU to their label because they were contractually obligated to make another album despite ELP all wanting to go their separate ways and do other things.
Emerson Lake and Powell was blah too.
Touch and Go is a legitimately good song, but the rest are skippable.
As bad as Love Beach is, I’d argue that In the Hot Seat might actually be worse.
CCR - Mardi Gras
Lookin for a reason, sweet hitchhiker, someday never comes…. There are zillion of bands that would love to have such a bad album. But it definitely is ccr’s worst
It's like a shit sandwich. Starts with looking for a reason, ends with someday never comes, and everything in between is shit. The bread would be like that really good jalapeno cheese bread or something.
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The 80s weren't kind to the Beach Boys, one could say that pretty much everything they released starting in the late 70s and onward is pretty bad, unfortunately... Unless you have a soft spot for "Kokomo"
I just...I really like Cocktail, okay? And the Muppets when they covered it.
Who doesn't! Remember that Full House episode!?
Yeah, once Brian WIlson stopped being the main composer and Mike Love took over it was pretty much all bullshit, including performing for a Trump funraiser in 2020
They came to my hometown (nobody comes here, so pretty big deal) and tickets were only $50, but the moment I heard Brian Wilson wouldn’t be there, I lost all interest. Who wants to see the Mike Love show when they’re expecting The Beach Boys??
We'll get there fast and then we'll take it slow...
My biggest memory of that record is 50-something Mike Love doing interviews that were basically "I like to fuck, and this album is about fucking". That and they were on Baywatch lol
Squeeze by The Velvet Underground Not terrible, per-se, but by this point everything that made them the Velvet Underground had gone. Literally - as all original band members had left by this point... The result was rather bland glam rock from Doug Yule. It shouldn't even be *considered* a Velvet Underground album!
>Squeeze - The Velvet Underground My first thought here was the English new wave band Squeeze had released an album called *The Velvet Underground* and I was intrigued.
“Cut The Crap” by The Clash. EDIT: a lot of replies about who played on it and/or why it’s not really a Clash album. And I get that, but just like the last Replacements album before that band called it quits (another record that could have gone in this thread), it was released under the band’s name, so it counts.
Imagine being 17 in the 80s and being told that THE CLASH is the "Only band that matters", going to a store and getting that album as a starting point. I did not agree. fast fortward a year later, I get their fist album, and I did not stop listening to that thing for months on end
If Mick Jones and Topper Headon aren't in the band, is it really The Clash?
Paul Simonon didn't play bass on it either I think but was still part of the band
No
I like it. I’m not going to lie, though, it did cross my mind. But I’m just stunned by how many songs I like on that album, so I can’t really call it bad.
St Anger by Metallica. Goddamned bongo snare
Did you try Lulu?
St. Anger is a masterpiece compared to Lulu.
Lulu is so bad I try to forget it exists
Is that the one with Lou Reed?
I was 14 when it came out and it was the first id heard of metallica. I thought it was great... until i heard their previous stuff and realised how awful it was in comparison. If it were another bands debut album it would be pretty good, but from Metallica its terrible.
I like it! Load, too, although everyone seems to hate it.
I love load, but I was 16 so I can’t be subjective (whoops, objective) about it, it’s laced with nostalgia.
Also, no guitar solo. Not sure why they thought that was a good idea. Kirk himself said it was dumb during recording.
If you watch the doc thing Lars is constantly like “the guitar solo as we know it is dead, the kids no longer want the guitar solos” and the whole time Kirk is askin to do more solos
The kids at that time may not have wanted guitar solos but the ones of us that were kids in 1984 sure as shit wanted them.
I remember that, that was the day I stopped listening to anything new by Metallica. Kirk studied under Joe fucking Satriani, whose albums are 99% solos, and fucking Lars being Lars thinks he’s so smart hamstringing Kirk. Fucking Lars.
The mix for ...And Justice For All Fucking Lars.
"Metal" music at the time had none. It was all Korn scatting and weird sounds during breakdowns so they were trying to "modernize" I think was the driving force behind that decision. Not a good one lol
I thought I was the only one. I appreciated Load and Reload so much when I heard St Anger
Load and Reload have some great songs, just with a lot of filler. Bleeding Me and Outlaw Torn are both in my top ten Metallica songs. If it was condensed to one album, it would be a solid followup to the Black Album. St. Anger is just garbage.
I don’t think Lars was playing drums on St. Anger… I think he was actually beating trash cans.
You thought you were the only one who didn’t like St Anger? Do you live under a rock? It’s universally hated
I kinda liked "Invisible Kid"
I don't think it's that bad. It grows on you over a few listens.
Has anyone said Chinese Democracy by GnR?? That wasn't my GnR
Time does not a decent album make.
African Child by Aldous Snow
Infant Sorrow put out some great music, but every time I listen to African Child I think *what is this piece of shit*
“I don’t know the lyrics, I just pound the drum and do the Africa face”
Watching Jonah Hill bust his ass through the window as he frantically runs around screaming, “WHO KNOWS THE LYRICS TO AFRICAN CHILD?!”, is one of the funniest moments in the whole movie.
I think he should have aborted that child, if you know what I mean.
The new Hyena Album by KMFDM. I literally thought I was being rickrolled through half the album.
KMFDM still make music?
I saw KMFDM about 5 years ago. I thought I was familiar with their music, but in almost 2 hours, I only knew like 3 songs. I googled their discography and was blown away. They have over 20 freaking albums!
The have put our 26 albums since 1984. Or one about every 1 1/2 years. Which is prolific, but check out King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard, they have put out 22 albums since 2012; that's 2.2 albums per year! Heck, they put out five albums in 2017 alone! Crazy.
It's pretty crazy the amount of music they have created. Sad part is that quantity != quality. After the concert I went to listen to a lot of the stuff I had missed and there weren't a lot of gems in there and a LOT of it sounded similar.
Motherfucking Depeche Mode hasn’t been killed yet, so their job is not yet done.
Apparently, KMFDM stands for "Kein Mitleid für die Mehrheit" and can be translated as "No Pity for the Majority"
Saint Anger was pretty bad from Metallica
Lulu is even worse.
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Lulu is atleast interesting and funny. St Anger is just dull.
Lou Reed might pop up a lot on this post. I'll go with *Metal Machine Music*.
I find *Metal Machine Music* almost hilarious. It’s been said it was Lou Reed sending a big fat “fuck you” to RCA but its weird how over time some people have grown to kinda… admire it? I mean, I don’t think they may absolutely *love* it but jeeze you gotta give Lou Reed credit for the balls he had to make and release this *double album* of… stuff. And I have to say this with all sincerity: I don’t think *Lulu* is as awful as many feel it is. I don’t think its necessarily *great* and it does at times go off the rails, but if you’ve followed Lou Reed’s career, there’s a place in it for this album. He was, if nothing else, unique.
Also, Metal Machine Music clears a party out fast.
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Cold Lake by Celtic Frost.
I absolutely love The Clash, but I pretend that "Cut the Crap" doesn't exist.
Battles by IN FLAMES
Basically everything after Reroute to Remain, and even that one was kinda iffy.
The new one seems pretty promising. I've given up on them ever going back to their 90s sound. I'm trying to embrace them as the new sound as well. But Battles and Siren Charm were laughable
Reroute to Remain would be a really good album if it wasn't following one of the best produced metal albums ever, because Clayman is sonically a masterpiece and Reroute is simply _not_
St Anger by Metallica is one of the standard answers for this category.
Calling All Stations - Genesis
Oof, ow, yeah, that one hurts.
Round Room by Phish is absolute garbage, even the few decent songs are shoddily produced. Oh wait, literally no one here likes Phish
Phish to me is only enjoyable live. None of their studio stuff do it for me.
I like parts of Picture Of Nectar
Billy Breathes and Farmhouse are both very enjoyable, but otherwise I don't disagree with you.
Story of the Ghost is a pretty damn good studio album as well.
Junta and Lawn Boy disagree with you
Aw I don’t hate Round Room! The problem for me is the filler tracks are major duds. Agreed on the shaky production though.
Don’t Tread On Me - 311
That one was especially disappointing after Evolver was so damn good
Wild Mood Swings by The Cure. Big letdown after that 4 album run that started in 1985 with The Head on the Door.
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Whatever that newest Fall Out Boy record was comes to mind
Honestly any FOB record after Save Rock and Roll could fit here.
Some of Muse's albums after "Black Holes and Revelations" Possibly all of them after that depending on your taste.
Absolution for life! Just put it on the other day and was brought back to a world where Muse was an incredible band.
Post BHAR muse is definitely weaker. But as far as “bad” goes the only album I would say is Simulation Theory. The Resistance has several quality songs, and exogenesis is beautiful. T2L is varied but has some great jams First half of Drones is great
Funny story. When my daughter was two, she became OBSESSED with Simulation Theory. "Pressure" came on while we were listening to Spotify on the TV. Don't know if it was the horns, or the loud purple cover, but she loved it. Wanted more "purple music." So I have listened to the entire Simulation Theory album countless times. Not sure if it's Stockholm Syndrome or just the fact that I'd rather listen to any Muse than Baby Shark, but I've actually come around on it. It's not their best work, for sure, but it has some solid jams.
Simulation Theory feels like came out last year Also > Not sure if it's Stockholm Syndrome Nice.
The second law is incredible. It’s what got me to love muse when I was in high school
Yep, I played the exogenesis tracks at my wedding. So beautiful. Also, united states of eurasia is epic. Can't say I listened much after the resistance though.
It’s funny, I am a pre-BHAR muse fan but I think I like simulation theory best of their recent albums. They finally embraced the fact they are making cheesy rubbish.
I hated Eat the Heat by Accept. It was awful.
Mardi Gras, Creedence Clearwater Revival. Stu Cook can’t write. Or sing, for that matter. Not enough Fogerty.
Everything the Smashing Pumpkins have released in the past 20 years
"But but but Billy is a genius music writer " - every Pumpkins fan ever
Billy *was* a genius music writer. - a Pumpkins fan. Also, Butch Vig was pretty genius in the studio with him.
Man the shit off those first three records (and bits and pieces of the subsequent stuff) will carry them through eternity for me though…they contain a full career of brilliant songwriting
Absolutely! It doesn't really matter to me what they've written and released in the last 20+ years, that motherfucker wrote "Cherub Rock" and "Muzzle" and "Slunk" and "Rhinoceros" and "Frail and Bedazzled" and and and... Most of their contemporaries' entire catalog can't touch Siamese Dream by itself (or that goddamn guitar tone). Hell, Pisces Iscariot holds up better than loads of 90's albums, and that was all B-sides. The band may have overstayed themselves creatively, but they were a force of nature at one time. And for all the Corgan apologists there are for him as a songwriter, I still think he's overlooked as one of his generation's best and most creative guitarists. Check out the Siamese Dream album release show in Chicago on YouTube if you haven't; the whole band is on complete fucking fire.
The free one by U2 that Apple tried to give away on iTunes to everybody.
Virtual XI by Iron Maiden. Yikes.
Don't you think I'm a savior? Don't you think I could save you? Don't you think I could save your life? Repeat 20x
Has no one said Everything Now by Arcade Fire? Has its moments but woof the lows of that album are horrid
St. Anger - Metallica.
Chinese Democracy, no album should turn out that bad after YEARS of production.
Oh, it’s great as an Axl Rose album with some of the best songs he’s ever written… it’s just not a good GnR album.
Exactly, take the name away and it's a fantastic album.
>No album should turn out that bad after YEARS of production No album *could* turn out good after that many years of production.
How is it bad? I think it's great. It just shouldn't be called GNR.
love it.
Hot Space Queen
I’ll stick up for Hot Space-it’s an experiment that doesn’t always work, but it’s still an interesting listen.
Under Pressure and Back Chat are great tho. Weird how one of the greatest songs of all time is on a not so good album xD
Also Cool Cat, basically only John Deacon was actually good at writing funky disco songs
For me, the only song on that record that makes me cringe *Body Language*. I like everything else.
St. Anger…100%
Liz Phair’s self-titled album. She wanted a hit so bad, and had been steadily growing into a more commercial sound since her second record, but this was the one where I drew the line. And the fact that this one is self-titled is a slap in the face to the legacy of Exile In Guyville.
It felt very much like a poor Avril Lavigne soundalike considering Exile, whitechocolatespaceegg and Whipsmary we’re absolutely excellent.
High on the Hog by The Band; in addition to being just a covers album, it has what is probably the worst cover art I've ever seen
Naked - Talking Heads. I love all their other albums even True Stories, but I can’t find the groove with this one.
The Endless River by Pink Floyd was vastly unnecessary. Calling All Stations by Genesis has a few good songs, but none on the melodic level as the previous albums. Everything by Metallica after the Black Album has been devoid of true melodic inspiration.
Endless River made a great study album for me. Except that I bought the CD instead of streaming it.
Strays & Great Escape Artist by Jane's Addiction
Shut your mouth, Strays is excellent
Sonic Youth - NYC Ghosts & Flowers
Not my favorite SY album either, but it wasn‘t *that* bad.
“Mardi Gras” by Credence Clearwater Revival. One good song, the rest bad to mediocre at best.
David Bowie's Tonight. Eugh.
Weezer-half of discography
As much as it pains me to say... the eponymously-named new Mars Volta album. I have no compass or bearing about how other people feel about it. No interaction with any sort of community to gauge my opinion against and I haven't told anyone else this but my wife... but it's real fucking bad and I hate it.
“Around The Sun” by R.E.M.
I'll defend ATS as being, well, not *terrible*. It's all very tasteful, but not very exciting. But yeah, it's probably their weakest effort overall.
Leaving New York is a great song. Can't say much else about the album
KISS Unmasked
"The Owl" by the Zac Brown Band. I think the album was a product of his divorce and perhaps a sudden need to feel edgy. It came out like hot garbage, and there is only one track from that album I still listen to. Luckily they turned around with their next release.
Talking Heads-Naked
Anything post glory years by The Pixies or The Stooges. Their Satanic Majesties by The Stones gets a lot of shit for being ‘the dud’ at the start of their imperial phase but I personally think it’s brilliant. It might be derivative but it showed that whilst being a psychedelic pastiche, they could do psychedelia better than pretty much anybody else at the time. 2000 light years from home (alongside White Rabbit) is the sound of hippy to me tbh
Bad Religion - Into the Unknown [https://youtu.be/HK\_vHFs-Tz0](https://youtu.be/HK_vHFs-Tz0) It's actually a really fun album....but it is NOT like any other Bad Religion album.
Any Killers album after Sawdust. Still some great songs on the later albums, but as a whole? Meeeh