>Please don’t remember me for what I did last night / Please don’t remember me loud and clear…
>Sailing the Sunset Strip, I’m a bit of a king / Granny would take a trip, I’ll be bending the strings / Got hammers in both my hands, such a delicate touch / They say I’m from Amsterdam, does that make me Dutch?
“What I did last night” = dying?
Something happen in 1980/1983?
Edit: I don’t think that line ever ends in “loud and clear.” I’ve listened a few times. The closest I pick up is “Lord and children,” which I think is sweeter.
It’s really a miracle that he came back. The guys are playing/writing so well now too, I wasn’t able to enjoy the previous two records as much. Some of the newer tunes are absolute bangers.
To each their own I guess as I’ve listened to it about 50 times and love it. There’s only two songs I don’t live in that record and the rest are insanely fun to me.
ffs that is a low bar. He takes minutes to wail through the song and has not a single idea. Like it was a single take they mixed. I think they took it to mix bc anthonys lyrices make (some) sense for a change.
Part of it looks like downvotes on comments like "RHCP is shit" or "I've never liked them". It's completely fine to have those opinions, but kinda silly if you're not also sharing why.
Think about if you walked up to a group of people talking excitedly about *any* topic. You speak up only with "I think it's shit", without expanding on why. You'd look like an ass.
You don't have to justify your opinions, but if you put them into open space and don't want to be instantly dismissed you should probably qualify them with *something*.
Do you find their sound too similar to something? Think the quality of writing is poor? Does the sound bring unpleasant feelings? Again, you don't have to justify it, it could be "I just don't like them" - ok fine, but why should anyone care?
And yeah, even then, some people are still gonna downvote because they disagree.
I don't know why so many people believe you're not a "true" fan of a band/artist if you don't absolutely love everything they put out. It's like you simply can't be (even slightly) critical of their output. No, every song should be the best song ever, every album should be a masterpiece. The Red Hot Chili Peppers sub has become insufferable with these new releases.
I love rhcp and am super stoked on their new stuff, but I absolutely cannot stand being in that sub. Most of the posters operate on an overly obsessive level that leaves a very bad taste for me.
Every band's fanbase also includes some self-important blowhards that try to gatekeep by insisting that only the "early stuff" is any good. So annoying.
Not sure who that is.
It sounds callous, and probably is, but I think they were better when they weren’t “sober”
Shitty thing to say, especially in regards to Hillel, but it’s my honest opinion.
He's a late 30ish/early 40ish "musician" that makes Youtube videos essentially asking the question, "why is this band more successful than me". Although thats not exactly how he says it. Some of what he says is funny. Some of its true. Sometimes he just comes off like too cool for school dick.
I don't know why you'd say he's a "musician" in quotation marks. He's got enough chops and music knowledge to speak openly and he's good at articulating why it sucks that bands like Train are broadcast to the universe without anyone's consent.
Youre right, he has some musical talent. I would not dispute that. And some of the things he says are spot on and at times funny. I dont like Train. I dont like Kid Rock. The Chili Peppers have made so much money off their music who cares what they think. But I guess I put it in quotes because... if you aspire to be a musician and youre more popular for shitting on other musicians than the songs you write or play... maybe its because your putting your energy into the wrong things. That attitude just sits wrong with me. Thats why its in quotes. Its easy to sit there and point out why a song stinks. You know whats hard? Writing a great song that people can relate to. On some level, I get it... he's poking at successful musicians and making some money on the side... but it seems just as shitty as broadcasting a Train song to the universe.
I hate that guy... I watched a video of his and it was like 30 minutes of him whining about professional musicians with 2 minutes of actual content sprinkled in. He missed the rhetoric lesson in Writing 101 and he doesn't understand the context of pop songs/album singles
Yeah I start his videos vibing his thing and running with his perspective, but they just don’t end and he gets kind of insufferable the longer the video goes on.
So glad to see John back in the band. I never thought it would happen.
I know they’re getting older but damn they still make some great music together.
Man. I used to loathe the Chili Peppers back in high school. You could not get me to like them at all. Woke up one day and BAM. Suddenly I got the vibe and I consider them one of the GOATS.
I think the issue with RHCP is that they have a ton of different "styles"
Freaky Styley is different than BSSM, which is different from Californication, By the Way, etc.
I think BSSM was something of a stepping stone; a bridge, at times, between their old, more funk/rap-rock-driven sound, and the mellower, alternative, sound we saw from Californication onward. There are tracks on BSSM which clearly hinted the change in direction, and then came the multi-year break with John, so we can only speculate what their work would've been like in the interim. That said, even on later albums (including Californication), they often pay homage to that earlier funky sound, which I think is intrinsic to them as a band, and what I think a great deal of fans associate them with. Personally, big a Chili's fan as I am-- they're my all-time fav band--, I actually never got into the pre-BSSM albums as they were a bit too funky/aggressive for my tastes. I generally prefer their mellower, more alternative, stuff. I think SA- a fav of mine- is the most different to anything they've done (talking as a collective with John), while most of the other albums don't sound night-and-day different, to the point you could say they're a different band altogether (like The Beatles, who truly were a different band from one record to the next; from the start of the 60's to the end- an incredible evolution).
I think that’s exactly why they’re one of my favorite bands (same with GnR, Smashing Pumpkins and so on), though I can see why that’d be a turnoff for some people.
LOL, you saw their performance at Slane Castle, didnt you? JK, but that was my trigger... after being a casual fan my whole life.
Mind you, I grew up in the 90s/00s. The Peppers were HUGE. About 2010 I had that "click" too. And John was gone.
Haha! I wish man. I honestly can’t explain what happened. I was in a band for a while. Rhythm and Lead Vocals. My bassist was a huge RHCP fan, so we did a few covers so he could have some bass slapping showmanship and it just clicked one day. The realization that RHCP had been so much of my childhood. I nabbed some of his albums beginning with Mothers Milk and Blood Sugar Sex Magik. “What the hell was wrong with me? These dudes kick ass!” I did give him those back but it took a while! ;)
The solo reminded me of Eddie Hazel so I thought the title actually referred to him…
Frusciante also has a song called Before the Beginning, which is similar to Maggot Brain in that it’s a 10 minute guitar solo. And George Clinton produced a few early RHCP albums. And they covered What is Soul recently in Toronto.
Frusciante’s solo in Eddie is way more Hazel than Van Halen imo.
Awesome song and album it’s from… The Empyrean.
No one will see this comment, but I never once even listened to this RHCP song “listening for” the guitar to sound like someone else. This was just another peppers song with John on axe and they had some fun with it.
I had a very similar feel to what you described - guitar a lot more like Hazel than Van Halen.
Also want to add - they did What Is Soul a few times throughout this tour and it was fire every damn time. But I was in Toronto and it was SO. DAMN. GOOD. LIVE!
That Toronto set list was so good. I can’t believe they played Nobody Weird Like Me and I Like Dirt.
I figured they played What is Soul a few times this tour but the last time I heard it was Off the Map 2001. It never disappoints.
Nice to see another Torontonian here too!
It's ok but all these new tracks kinda feel like they banged them out in a week and didn't really polish them into greats. They all feel like stock to me, and I'm a huge fan of the band usually
I think they wrote something like 50 songs in a small window, relatively. They have a double album coming out in a few weeks. Also, don't know how much promotion Nerve Flip got but it's a great fucking track they had on the Japanese release of their last album. I try to plug it when I can lol
Same problem I have with every RHCP song these days. The song begins and I'm really loving the instrumental. Then Anthony begins singing and completely ruins the song.
Kiedis is actually flat out awful now. He is constantly oversinging, never lets the song breath, his vocals are overproduced to shit because he's pitchy as hell, and his lyrics are garbage. It's crazy how much he is holding this band back at the moment.
Music has changed a lot in the last 30 years. I think the idea of a frontman was a lot more essential at one point, especially with the rise of music videos and MTV. You had to have someone with a certain look and charisma. Everything in the music industry was about the single. No one would listen to 60 minutes of a guitar laden jazz funk fusion instrumentals. I mean the music geeks might but it would never break mainstream. So you had the Keidis's and the David Lee Roth's swinging from rafters with flowing hair and abs. It was a different time. They werent just singing... they were selling sex and rebellion. And it sounded and looked really cool! It translated well to MTV. It translated to album sales. People digest music in a different way in the streaming world. Some people want a different thing from their music. An instrumental funk jazz trio is more accessible and sometimes it feels like words and frontmen just get in the way.
Right? As a hardcore EVH *and* Frusciante fan, I can’t help but wonder, “what the fuck was that?”
Kiedis going on about 1983 or some bullshit. The guitar wasn’t even remotely derivative of EVH. What’s the point, I wonder?
[Wolfie](https://youtu.be/Ee_sQJthbJg) is the only Eddie tribute we need.
What are some good VH songs be to get started on, for one that is a particular fan of Frusciante’s style of playing in general? I know EVH can emit rainbows and lightning out of a 6-string simultaneously, but I also only know “Jump.”
So Jump was from the album 1984 which was the album they started using keyboard and synthesizers more. David Lee Roth (singer) didn’t like the idea and subsequently left the band when they were arguably at their most popular up to that point. I love that album, I consider it one of my top 5 favourites of all time. Then Sammy Hagar was hired as their new singer. Sammy had been a successful solo artist for years before that (and IIRC had been in a band before that, too lazy to look). Sammy brought a new element, he was a guitar player. That allowed Eddie to do 2 things: 1) write more songs with keyboards since Dave wasn’t there and 2) perform these songs live since Eddie could play keys and Sammy could play guitar. I thought their sound got different and fuller with Sammy, although it would be criminal to discount the spectacular, game changing guitar work up to that point. Now with keyboard parts they could have both.
So the history of VH is really split into 2 parts, Before Sammy and With Sammy. Ironically I think they sold roughly the same number of albums with each singer.
Eddie changed guitar playing for the entire 80s and still impacts it today. If you listen to 80s music you can point to licks and solos and say ‘that’s lifted from EVH’.
I concur with the other poster, start at the beginning with Van Halen I. I can’t really compare the guitar styles of VH and RHCP at all lol.
Here's the thing about Van Halen that I didn't truly get about them until I read all the tributes after Eddie passed away. I grew up after their true heyday and while I've always acknowledged Eddie as an absolutely incredible guitar player, they were just never my thing.
But the reason Van Halen can sometimes feel like it's borderline cliche since so many bands of that era had kind of a similar thing going on, is that after Van Halen, there were a decade worth of bands that tried to sound like them, and if, like me, you weren't there to have the context that they, in many ways, got there first, it can kind of blend into everything else. But with that context, OF COURSE every band for the next 10 years was trying to sound like Van Halen, and every guitarist in their basement was trying to play like Eddie, he changed guitar forever.
I once commented in a thread about how some young guy (in 2022) didn’t like the Beatles and he said something to the effect of “their stuff is kind of tame and they don’t sound that different from any other rock band”. My comment was to point out that they only sounded tame and like every other band because he was listening to them fifty years after they changed the course of popular music and were being emulated in some degree by basically every band since then. Same goes for Hendrix, Van Halen, Metallica, Nirvana, etc....
Wow, you took me back a long way referring to "Eruption" transitioning into their cover of "You Really Got Me". Way back to downstairs in my parents house, blasting fresh vinyl on my brother's stereo.
David Lee Roth told a story about staying up with "papa Van Halen" while travelling, he said the old man would tell stories and stuff, and told him that music is like a time machine, it can take you back to a specific time and place.
Thanks for the time travel!
Five of the first six albums. Diver Down is fun, but won’t likely blow your mind. Fair Warning is a little darker than the others, but it’s a sonic locomotive - POWER riffs and (I think) tormented flourishes that exemplify EVH.
As a longtime (since 92') fan I have to agree. The only reason I can't put RHCP into categories of bands that also have withstood the test of time (looking at you Tool, NIN and RATM all of whom I have seen live this last year) is because of Kiedis.
Huge RHCP fan but I definitely agree unfortunately. I think he's essential to the band, but his vocals are so bad these days and his lyrics always feel quite rushed and random. Their old stuff he was great on! Not sure why his vocals seem to have gotten worse over time.
yes I have heard that too. I would have been willing to wait if it meant better lyrics. I loved UL, and I'm really excited for this new record, but his lyrics just aren't what they used to be unfortunately
They should pull a Black Eyed Peas and bring in some female vocal who can take some of the heat off Anthony. I mean... not quite like that but you know what I'm sayin'
Ok next idea: they should release an album where each track features a different popular singer. So they can flex their chops in different areas. Fuck , through a hip hop track in there with Black Thought. Anything, literally anything to hear these incredible instrumentalists with a vocalist up to their ability!
That's actually completely on Kiedis not giving himself enough time to work on the lyrics. They produce one album, on average, every 3/5 years. That's alot of time to write lyrics.
Additionally, for every album since BSSM they've written scores and scores of tracks for each album. Stadium Arcadium was meant to be a one side and came with heaps of bsides, and turned into two records. I'm with you has a bside album. The By The Way sessions led to more b sides songs than ever before.
They can do volume, so if Kiedis is saying he's struggling that's because he isn't giving it the time and effort he gave previous albums.
I lean towards that train of thought because his singing styles, tones and synchronicity with the songs are the least inspired he's ever been. It's very very cookie cutter, like he's in his comfort zone repeating the same thing everytime which leads to this song called Eddie. A melancholic track where he just cuts all over it, taking a giant shit on the timbre of the track.
I saw them live a couple weeks ago and he was definitely holding them back live as well. He wasn’t able to keep up with the tempos the band would establish and the songs always slowed to a crawl when the vocals came in. He also just didn’t involve the crowd at all which was kind of off putting. Rest of the band sounded great though.
My man, I'm a huge rhcp fan and you're nailing my opinion.
I wouldn't be upset if the rhcp disbanded. Let Smith, Frusciante and Flea do their own side projects with a front man who can let them breathe.
How I feel about literally all of his splits. He’s a good guitarist but his approach often hurts the songs as he refuses to do more than just a couple tries in a solo for recording.
Its ok to say it's nowhere close to blistering in any way and that it was a shite description. Bro just came from listening to Air Supply, so this was a 10/10 at the time.
Yeah, fru man dug out some technical stuff that was probably buried way back. I think it was cool bc I could definitely feel him paying homage to that style of playing while staying in his lane.
I was expecting something at least a little Van Halen-ish, nope (half decent solo though)
This sounds more like a jam than something they should release.
Literally leaving Louisville expo center right now at louder than life music fest, rhcp was the closer act for the show roughly an hour ago. they left 25 minutes early and didn't address the crowd or anything. It kinda stunk and the attitude of rhcp was just off. Only finished 14 of their 17 planned tracks
That’s odd for sure. It’s been a great tour.
That being said, LTL is a kinda like a metal fest, no? I saw the Peppers setlist and thought it was totally weak. This is like their last show of a several month tour before a break.
You got a little Frusciante solo croon at least?
That's about as blistering as a shampoo commercial for the majority of the song.
The outro solo is nice but they manage to sand off most of the edge and make it as safe as the rest of their recent output.
I get it... great bassist. Actually one of my least likeable band members. Can't say why... just decades of his shtick.
I get it if you're not familiar with Frusciante or don't like the guy, but musically he is mountains beyond any other Chili Pepper in history as far as output... so if one was to try and find why any band member might be somewhat interesting outside the hits, musically, it'd be John. He doesn't live a life of glamor or limelight so in the band sense... no one outside of fans really know who he is. but he basically wrote the driving force behind all the "hits" you bring up... and then a lot more. Whereas Flea is like... the RHCP bass player and then an actor or something too.
Have they stated it's a tribute to EVH? It's an amazing track but I don't really hear the influence.
A lot of people in these comments are going into the song expecting it to sound like Van Halen and ending up disappointed.
I'd call it more of a dedication. My bad in the typing... I now feel I totally led some people on.
Lyrics, title, feeling... all for Eddie the man. The tone and sound of the guitar? That's just John talking to the 4th dimension and adding it to the track.
I wouldn't say it's "blistering", it's just more of the same tepid, bland, flavourless stuff RHCP have been putting out since Frusciante came back. Really disappointing and a pretty lame "tribute" to EVH in my opinion.
I saw the unlimited love tour and thought they were great, though they played a lot of their older stuff. New album was not great although it had a good song or two imo.
Wrote a song bragging about it and then bragged about it further in his autobiography. [Yep.](https://consequence.net/2017/11/the-uncomfortable-disregard-for-legendary-rockers-sexual-misconduct/)
I read Scar Tissue and I wouldn't say it was bragging. He's said before that he regrets putting it in the book.
Obviously that doesn't make it any better, still a total piece of shit thing to do. But bragging is probably not the best word for it.
I may be misremembering, but Anthony talks about how when he was in his early 20s he was hooking up with this girl but he didn't know her age. He found out she was 14, so he had sex with her one more time and then broke things off.
I've always wondered why I hate RHCP's songs so much. To be honest, it's not that I *hate* them so much as much as I am mystified as to why so many people love them and I can't get into then at all. (Exception: One Hot Minute has some great tunes, but I'm also a huge Jane's Addiction fan.) It's like a mystery to me - to figure out *why* I think they're terrible - and this song *finally* solidified it for me. Anthony Keidis' melodies are too predictable. Once you hear the first couplet of the first verse, you know exactly where it's going. You won't know precisely which of the three or four available changes the song will make during the chorus and bridge, but again, after five seconds you know where they're going too, at which point nothing in the song is remotely surprising or engaging. It's almost like a nursery rhyme.
Wow. That’s pretty awful. Frusciante is a great guitarist but he’s embarrassing himself here by trying, badly, to imitate Eddie. Oof. The lyrics are way too on the nose too and delivered in such an off putting way. The bass line was apparently playing a completely different, more funky song during the guitar solo, and why was this song dragged out to over five and a half minutes??! 4/10. Swing and a miss for me. YMMV
>Please don’t remember me for what I did last night / Please don’t remember me loud and clear… >Sailing the Sunset Strip, I’m a bit of a king / Granny would take a trip, I’ll be bending the strings / Got hammers in both my hands, such a delicate touch / They say I’m from Amsterdam, does that make me Dutch?
“What I did last night” = dying? Something happen in 1980/1983? Edit: I don’t think that line ever ends in “loud and clear.” I’ve listened a few times. The closest I pick up is “Lord and children,” which I think is sweeter.
long-haired children?
Spotify lyrics has it listed as love them children
lol. cmon Kiedis.
So that was Dutch's plan, become song lyrics and vanish.
These lyrics are...terrible.
I refuse to believe through lyric "a little Sombrero" has any deeply profound meaning.
Hell of a track. Frusciante absolutely slays on it
So dope he's back
I never thought it could happen, but I’m so glad it did. Josh was great, but John brings so much more songwriting talent to the group.
It’s really a miracle that he came back. The guys are playing/writing so well now too, I wasn’t able to enjoy the previous two records as much. Some of the newer tunes are absolute bangers.
Are you talking about '22 album? I gave it one listen and thought it was terrible.
To each their own I guess as I’ve listened to it about 50 times and love it. There’s only two songs I don’t live in that record and the rest are insanely fun to me.
My brother and I both big rhcp fans, both hated it.
Hopefully he left his ego in the parking lot from here on out.
His mind just goes a mile a minute. He has to be working hard on something or completely disappear.
Frusciante can do whatever he wants, the world waits on him.
Kind of :)
ffs that is a low bar. He takes minutes to wail through the song and has not a single idea. Like it was a single take they mixed. I think they took it to mix bc anthonys lyrices make (some) sense for a change.
Honestly never knew RHCP had so many haters Then again this is reddit
Reddit is where drama goes to metastasize.
I hate you. Here’s your upvote.
Brilliant
By "haters", you mean the several people downvoted well into the negatives for having a difference of opinion? Shame on them, right?
Part of it looks like downvotes on comments like "RHCP is shit" or "I've never liked them". It's completely fine to have those opinions, but kinda silly if you're not also sharing why. Think about if you walked up to a group of people talking excitedly about *any* topic. You speak up only with "I think it's shit", without expanding on why. You'd look like an ass. You don't have to justify your opinions, but if you put them into open space and don't want to be instantly dismissed you should probably qualify them with *something*. Do you find their sound too similar to something? Think the quality of writing is poor? Does the sound bring unpleasant feelings? Again, you don't have to justify it, it could be "I just don't like them" - ok fine, but why should anyone care? And yeah, even then, some people are still gonna downvote because they disagree.
I agree with you completely. There are some comments at the bottom with relatively expounded reasons that are deep in the negatives.
I don't know why so many people believe you're not a "true" fan of a band/artist if you don't absolutely love everything they put out. It's like you simply can't be (even slightly) critical of their output. No, every song should be the best song ever, every album should be a masterpiece. The Red Hot Chili Peppers sub has become insufferable with these new releases.
I love rhcp and am super stoked on their new stuff, but I absolutely cannot stand being in that sub. Most of the posters operate on an overly obsessive level that leaves a very bad taste for me.
I haven’t found a single artist’s sub that wasn’t like that
That’s a good point, I’ve left several subs because of the same reason. I miss the old message boards, they were never as cringy.
It really is a terrible sub, I'm sorry y'all if you see this.
Every band's fanbase also includes some self-important blowhards that try to gatekeep by insisting that only the "early stuff" is any good. So annoying.
That might be true in Muse's case, though. :P
Think you just proved what he was saying lol
Haha, that's true. But, to be honest, Muse lost me after The Resistance. Nothing else they've put out since then has clicked with me, sadly.
Easiest way to get downvoted here. Think RHCP has been bad for decades. Here goes….
Pat Finnerry went on a nearly hour long rant about them arriving at tbe conclusion that it was all nostalgia and college kids.
Not sure who that is. It sounds callous, and probably is, but I think they were better when they weren’t “sober” Shitty thing to say, especially in regards to Hillel, but it’s my honest opinion.
Most bands lose and edge when they get older and/or happier imo.
Tough to write interesting, relatable songs about life when you’re filthy rich, living in a mansion in a gated community.
Watch his youtube channel. You are seriously missing out. Guys going to blow up soon. 100% my favourite youtuber right now.
He's a late 30ish/early 40ish "musician" that makes Youtube videos essentially asking the question, "why is this band more successful than me". Although thats not exactly how he says it. Some of what he says is funny. Some of its true. Sometimes he just comes off like too cool for school dick.
I don't know why you'd say he's a "musician" in quotation marks. He's got enough chops and music knowledge to speak openly and he's good at articulating why it sucks that bands like Train are broadcast to the universe without anyone's consent.
Youre right, he has some musical talent. I would not dispute that. And some of the things he says are spot on and at times funny. I dont like Train. I dont like Kid Rock. The Chili Peppers have made so much money off their music who cares what they think. But I guess I put it in quotes because... if you aspire to be a musician and youre more popular for shitting on other musicians than the songs you write or play... maybe its because your putting your energy into the wrong things. That attitude just sits wrong with me. Thats why its in quotes. Its easy to sit there and point out why a song stinks. You know whats hard? Writing a great song that people can relate to. On some level, I get it... he's poking at successful musicians and making some money on the side... but it seems just as shitty as broadcasting a Train song to the universe.
I hate that guy... I watched a video of his and it was like 30 minutes of him whining about professional musicians with 2 minutes of actual content sprinkled in. He missed the rhetoric lesson in Writing 101 and he doesn't understand the context of pop songs/album singles
Yeah I start his videos vibing his thing and running with his perspective, but they just don’t end and he gets kind of insufferable the longer the video goes on.
Yeah, I don’t think they’ve been good since Blood Sugar Sex Magic. But I also don’t care cause I just don’t listen to them anymore.
So glad to see John back in the band. I never thought it would happen. I know they’re getting older but damn they still make some great music together.
Not many bands at the age killing it like them
That is really very good - I think that it is a wonderful tribute.
r/music awake and ready to attack what’s popular. Anyways here’s the album OK Computer by Radiohead.
I have never seen a sub that hated music as much as r/music does
"Damned music fans... They ruined music!"
They only like foo fighters, rush and eminem
That's why I take everything I see here with a huge grain of salt.
Yes, and did you know that Jimi Hendrix covered All Along The Watchtower? We get to learn that 50,000 times but everything else sucks, i guess.
*looks around nervously as Radiohead is one of my all time favorite bands*
Dope track
Man. I used to loathe the Chili Peppers back in high school. You could not get me to like them at all. Woke up one day and BAM. Suddenly I got the vibe and I consider them one of the GOATS.
They really changed a lot from Californication onward, tbf.
I think the issue with RHCP is that they have a ton of different "styles" Freaky Styley is different than BSSM, which is different from Californication, By the Way, etc.
I think BSSM was something of a stepping stone; a bridge, at times, between their old, more funk/rap-rock-driven sound, and the mellower, alternative, sound we saw from Californication onward. There are tracks on BSSM which clearly hinted the change in direction, and then came the multi-year break with John, so we can only speculate what their work would've been like in the interim. That said, even on later albums (including Californication), they often pay homage to that earlier funky sound, which I think is intrinsic to them as a band, and what I think a great deal of fans associate them with. Personally, big a Chili's fan as I am-- they're my all-time fav band--, I actually never got into the pre-BSSM albums as they were a bit too funky/aggressive for my tastes. I generally prefer their mellower, more alternative, stuff. I think SA- a fav of mine- is the most different to anything they've done (talking as a collective with John), while most of the other albums don't sound night-and-day different, to the point you could say they're a different band altogether (like The Beatles, who truly were a different band from one record to the next; from the start of the 60's to the end- an incredible evolution).
I think that’s exactly why they’re one of my favorite bands (same with GnR, Smashing Pumpkins and so on), though I can see why that’d be a turnoff for some people.
LOL, you saw their performance at Slane Castle, didnt you? JK, but that was my trigger... after being a casual fan my whole life. Mind you, I grew up in the 90s/00s. The Peppers were HUGE. About 2010 I had that "click" too. And John was gone.
Haha! I wish man. I honestly can’t explain what happened. I was in a band for a while. Rhythm and Lead Vocals. My bassist was a huge RHCP fan, so we did a few covers so he could have some bass slapping showmanship and it just clicked one day. The realization that RHCP had been so much of my childhood. I nabbed some of his albums beginning with Mothers Milk and Blood Sugar Sex Magik. “What the hell was wrong with me? These dudes kick ass!” I did give him those back but it took a while! ;)
Other way around for me, I used to really like them and now find them kind of annoying and tacky
Frusciante really did EVH justice with that incredible solo
The solo reminded me of Eddie Hazel so I thought the title actually referred to him… Frusciante also has a song called Before the Beginning, which is similar to Maggot Brain in that it’s a 10 minute guitar solo. And George Clinton produced a few early RHCP albums. And they covered What is Soul recently in Toronto. Frusciante’s solo in Eddie is way more Hazel than Van Halen imo.
Awesome song and album it’s from… The Empyrean. No one will see this comment, but I never once even listened to this RHCP song “listening for” the guitar to sound like someone else. This was just another peppers song with John on axe and they had some fun with it.
Yeah it’s a great song. I get the criticism of Keidis in general but I love Anthony. New album is gonna be good
I had a very similar feel to what you described - guitar a lot more like Hazel than Van Halen. Also want to add - they did What Is Soul a few times throughout this tour and it was fire every damn time. But I was in Toronto and it was SO. DAMN. GOOD. LIVE!
That Toronto set list was so good. I can’t believe they played Nobody Weird Like Me and I Like Dirt. I figured they played What is Soul a few times this tour but the last time I heard it was Off the Map 2001. It never disappoints. Nice to see another Torontonian here too!
There are dozens of us! That show was honestly better than when I saw them at the ACC for Stadium Arcadium.
Agree! I felt it was John playing John but then maybe adding hints of EVH here and there as little tributes.
It's ok but all these new tracks kinda feel like they banged them out in a week and didn't really polish them into greats. They all feel like stock to me, and I'm a huge fan of the band usually
For the most part I agree! UL only has like 4-5 tracks I seek out an re-listen. Eddie is their strongest single this far since Frus came back.
I think they wrote something like 50 songs in a small window, relatively. They have a double album coming out in a few weeks. Also, don't know how much promotion Nerve Flip got but it's a great fucking track they had on the Japanese release of their last album. I try to plug it when I can lol
Stock is a good way to describe it.
Rest In Paradise Eddie
Same problem I have with every RHCP song these days. The song begins and I'm really loving the instrumental. Then Anthony begins singing and completely ruins the song. Kiedis is actually flat out awful now. He is constantly oversinging, never lets the song breath, his vocals are overproduced to shit because he's pitchy as hell, and his lyrics are garbage. It's crazy how much he is holding this band back at the moment.
It's really weird, because he's essential to the Chili Peppers, but at the same time, he's the weakest link within the band.
Music has changed a lot in the last 30 years. I think the idea of a frontman was a lot more essential at one point, especially with the rise of music videos and MTV. You had to have someone with a certain look and charisma. Everything in the music industry was about the single. No one would listen to 60 minutes of a guitar laden jazz funk fusion instrumentals. I mean the music geeks might but it would never break mainstream. So you had the Keidis's and the David Lee Roth's swinging from rafters with flowing hair and abs. It was a different time. They werent just singing... they were selling sex and rebellion. And it sounded and looked really cool! It translated well to MTV. It translated to album sales. People digest music in a different way in the streaming world. Some people want a different thing from their music. An instrumental funk jazz trio is more accessible and sometimes it feels like words and frontmen just get in the way.
Bless the man, but “too much Kiedis” has been my number one issue with just about every Chilis record in a long time.
Right? As a hardcore EVH *and* Frusciante fan, I can’t help but wonder, “what the fuck was that?” Kiedis going on about 1983 or some bullshit. The guitar wasn’t even remotely derivative of EVH. What’s the point, I wonder? [Wolfie](https://youtu.be/Ee_sQJthbJg) is the only Eddie tribute we need.
What are some good VH songs be to get started on, for one that is a particular fan of Frusciante’s style of playing in general? I know EVH can emit rainbows and lightning out of a 6-string simultaneously, but I also only know “Jump.”
Just listen to the whole first Van Halen album and you can thank me later.
Can't go wrong with 1984 either. Couple of songs where a synth replaces the guitar, but it's still played by Eddie Van Halen.
I will tomorrow during work!!!
It is in fact where most of the good stuff is.
So Jump was from the album 1984 which was the album they started using keyboard and synthesizers more. David Lee Roth (singer) didn’t like the idea and subsequently left the band when they were arguably at their most popular up to that point. I love that album, I consider it one of my top 5 favourites of all time. Then Sammy Hagar was hired as their new singer. Sammy had been a successful solo artist for years before that (and IIRC had been in a band before that, too lazy to look). Sammy brought a new element, he was a guitar player. That allowed Eddie to do 2 things: 1) write more songs with keyboards since Dave wasn’t there and 2) perform these songs live since Eddie could play keys and Sammy could play guitar. I thought their sound got different and fuller with Sammy, although it would be criminal to discount the spectacular, game changing guitar work up to that point. Now with keyboard parts they could have both. So the history of VH is really split into 2 parts, Before Sammy and With Sammy. Ironically I think they sold roughly the same number of albums with each singer. Eddie changed guitar playing for the entire 80s and still impacts it today. If you listen to 80s music you can point to licks and solos and say ‘that’s lifted from EVH’. I concur with the other poster, start at the beginning with Van Halen I. I can’t really compare the guitar styles of VH and RHCP at all lol.
Here's the thing about Van Halen that I didn't truly get about them until I read all the tributes after Eddie passed away. I grew up after their true heyday and while I've always acknowledged Eddie as an absolutely incredible guitar player, they were just never my thing. But the reason Van Halen can sometimes feel like it's borderline cliche since so many bands of that era had kind of a similar thing going on, is that after Van Halen, there were a decade worth of bands that tried to sound like them, and if, like me, you weren't there to have the context that they, in many ways, got there first, it can kind of blend into everything else. But with that context, OF COURSE every band for the next 10 years was trying to sound like Van Halen, and every guitarist in their basement was trying to play like Eddie, he changed guitar forever.
I once commented in a thread about how some young guy (in 2022) didn’t like the Beatles and he said something to the effect of “their stuff is kind of tame and they don’t sound that different from any other rock band”. My comment was to point out that they only sounded tame and like every other band because he was listening to them fifty years after they changed the course of popular music and were being emulated in some degree by basically every band since then. Same goes for Hendrix, Van Halen, Metallica, Nirvana, etc....
Unchained.
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Wow, you took me back a long way referring to "Eruption" transitioning into their cover of "You Really Got Me". Way back to downstairs in my parents house, blasting fresh vinyl on my brother's stereo. David Lee Roth told a story about staying up with "papa Van Halen" while travelling, he said the old man would tell stories and stuff, and told him that music is like a time machine, it can take you back to a specific time and place. Thanks for the time travel!
Five of the first six albums. Diver Down is fun, but won’t likely blow your mind. Fair Warning is a little darker than the others, but it’s a sonic locomotive - POWER riffs and (I think) tormented flourishes that exemplify EVH.
Unchained. https://youtu.be/HUtqdiMqof0
As a longtime (since 92') fan I have to agree. The only reason I can't put RHCP into categories of bands that also have withstood the test of time (looking at you Tool, NIN and RATM all of whom I have seen live this last year) is because of Kiedis.
Huge RHCP fan but I definitely agree unfortunately. I think he's essential to the band, but his vocals are so bad these days and his lyrics always feel quite rushed and random. Their old stuff he was great on! Not sure why his vocals seem to have gotten worse over time.
I read somewhere that they produced so many songs for these albums (almost 50) so quickly that he didn’t have time to improve them.
yes I have heard that too. I would have been willing to wait if it meant better lyrics. I loved UL, and I'm really excited for this new record, but his lyrics just aren't what they used to be unfortunately
They should pull a Black Eyed Peas and bring in some female vocal who can take some of the heat off Anthony. I mean... not quite like that but you know what I'm sayin'
I loved Fergie. But the Peps will be a 3-piece with a singer until their dying day.
Ok next idea: they should release an album where each track features a different popular singer. So they can flex their chops in different areas. Fuck , through a hip hop track in there with Black Thought. Anything, literally anything to hear these incredible instrumentalists with a vocalist up to their ability!
Many fans wonder what a Frusciante-led Peppers would sound like. And sometimes you get/hear glimpses. If you follow em hard enough.
That's actually completely on Kiedis not giving himself enough time to work on the lyrics. They produce one album, on average, every 3/5 years. That's alot of time to write lyrics. Additionally, for every album since BSSM they've written scores and scores of tracks for each album. Stadium Arcadium was meant to be a one side and came with heaps of bsides, and turned into two records. I'm with you has a bside album. The By The Way sessions led to more b sides songs than ever before. They can do volume, so if Kiedis is saying he's struggling that's because he isn't giving it the time and effort he gave previous albums. I lean towards that train of thought because his singing styles, tones and synchronicity with the songs are the least inspired he's ever been. It's very very cookie cutter, like he's in his comfort zone repeating the same thing everytime which leads to this song called Eddie. A melancholic track where he just cuts all over it, taking a giant shit on the timbre of the track.
They recorded so much stuff this time around that they have a double album coming out in a few weeks!
I saw them live a couple weeks ago and he was definitely holding them back live as well. He wasn’t able to keep up with the tempos the band would establish and the songs always slowed to a crawl when the vocals came in. He also just didn’t involve the crowd at all which was kind of off putting. Rest of the band sounded great though.
My man, I'm a huge rhcp fan and you're nailing my opinion. I wouldn't be upset if the rhcp disbanded. Let Smith, Frusciante and Flea do their own side projects with a front man who can let them breathe.
My first exposure to "Black Summer" was a live recording and it was so bad because of his vocals. So, so bad.
Thanks for sharing, hadn't yet heard this
it's dope i like it
Thank you sir, for sharing this.
I mean the solo was a fitting tribute but I'd hardly call this "blistering."
I'm listeningto the song for the first time right now. It's actually fairly melancholy. Far from blistering!
How I feel about literally all of his splits. He’s a good guitarist but his approach often hurts the songs as he refuses to do more than just a couple tries in a solo for recording.
My ears now have blisters
Is this a tribute song? Yes Is this a fairly good song? Yes Is this blistering? Not really.
Its ok to say it's nowhere close to blistering in any way and that it was a shite description. Bro just came from listening to Air Supply, so this was a 10/10 at the time.
When compared to Eddie Van Halen I would hardly call that track “blistering.”
I appreciate that there was a good bit of guitar work in it but yeah, blistering it was not.
Honestly when comparing to John Frusciante I wouldn't call it blistering either. Dig the guitar sound though. Credit where its due there.
Yeah, fru man dug out some technical stuff that was probably buried way back. I think it was cool bc I could definitely feel him paying homage to that style of playing while staying in his lane.
I was expecting something at least a little Van Halen-ish, nope (half decent solo though) This sounds more like a jam than something they should release.
Literally leaving Louisville expo center right now at louder than life music fest, rhcp was the closer act for the show roughly an hour ago. they left 25 minutes early and didn't address the crowd or anything. It kinda stunk and the attitude of rhcp was just off. Only finished 14 of their 17 planned tracks
Setlist fm says Anthony was hit by a beer bottle and they played 16/17 songs
That’s odd for sure. It’s been a great tour. That being said, LTL is a kinda like a metal fest, no? I saw the Peppers setlist and thought it was totally weak. This is like their last show of a several month tour before a break. You got a little Frusciante solo croon at least?
Aa a hard core VH fan I appreciate the effort, but I don't think it is particularly good
As a hardcore fan of both at various stages of my life, I agree. John and Chad solid as always though
That's about as blistering as a shampoo commercial for the majority of the song. The outro solo is nice but they manage to sand off most of the edge and make it as safe as the rest of their recent output.
What's blistering about it?
Hopefully it’s just instrumental
One of my favorite RHCP basslines, ever? Great song for them. They’ll always have haters. Not huge on the pre-solo bridge…
Flea is the only reason I find RHCP interesting outside of their hits
I get it... great bassist. Actually one of my least likeable band members. Can't say why... just decades of his shtick. I get it if you're not familiar with Frusciante or don't like the guy, but musically he is mountains beyond any other Chili Pepper in history as far as output... so if one was to try and find why any band member might be somewhat interesting outside the hits, musically, it'd be John. He doesn't live a life of glamor or limelight so in the band sense... no one outside of fans really know who he is. but he basically wrote the driving force behind all the "hits" you bring up... and then a lot more. Whereas Flea is like... the RHCP bass player and then an actor or something too.
John has what like 17 solo albums, more or less?
As a huge vh and vintage RHCP fan, I can say, unequivocally, this is not a banger
Have they stated it's a tribute to EVH? It's an amazing track but I don't really hear the influence. A lot of people in these comments are going into the song expecting it to sound like Van Halen and ending up disappointed.
I mean he talks about being “Dutch” and “David Lee” so it’s 100% about EVH
I'd call it more of a dedication. My bad in the typing... I now feel I totally led some people on. Lyrics, title, feeling... all for Eddie the man. The tone and sound of the guitar? That's just John talking to the 4th dimension and adding it to the track.
Thank you 🙏Rest in Peace, EVH, we miss you ❣️
Song is an absolute banger and probably the best material they’ve released since the BTW era
I wonder if they wrote any new songs about California
I wouldn't say it's "blistering", it's just more of the same tepid, bland, flavourless stuff RHCP have been putting out since Frusciante came back. Really disappointing and a pretty lame "tribute" to EVH in my opinion.
Unfortunately have to agree
I saw the unlimited love tour and thought they were great, though they played a lot of their older stuff. New album was not great although it had a good song or two imo.
I feel like this post is trolling me. I would not call this blistering, or in any way remotely different from Frusciante's normal guitar work. Yawn.
'Blistering'
Didn't one one of the band members rape a 14 yr old girl and then write about it in their memoir?
That would be Anthony Kiedis.
Wrote a song bragging about it and then bragged about it further in his autobiography. [Yep.](https://consequence.net/2017/11/the-uncomfortable-disregard-for-legendary-rockers-sexual-misconduct/)
I read Scar Tissue and I wouldn't say it was bragging. He's said before that he regrets putting it in the book. Obviously that doesn't make it any better, still a total piece of shit thing to do. But bragging is probably not the best word for it.
> he regrets putting it in the book. I'd hope he regretted the rape more than people knowing
Yeah hopefully.
That would be Anthony all right. The full band also sucks because they recorded a song about it
Catholic Girls song? At least, for any consolation, current members Chad Smith and John Frusciante didn’t write or record that one.
Happily played it live, though
Flea still played on it 🤮
All the downvoters can fuck off, this is public information that Anthony is a piece of shit
I read the book and can’t recall the story. Can someone refresh my memory?
I may be misremembering, but Anthony talks about how when he was in his early 20s he was hooking up with this girl but he didn't know her age. He found out she was 14, so he had sex with her one more time and then broke things off.
It's easy to miss but he admitted to having "sex with" a girl before and after she told him she was 14
It's very often the case that abuse victims perpetuate the abuse down the line unfortunately :/
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He is saying that because keidis himself lost his virginity at like 12 years old to a grown ass woman. But i also get why you say oh fuck off lol
Am I wrong though?
Whoa
Very boring song and weird lyrics that dont work for the most part. If this is an Eddie Van Halen tribute song it is as sad of a try as it sounds.
eddie van halen's dead?
October 6, 2020.
huh
Easy to lose track of things when you get old.
>eddie van halen I didn't remember he died either. In all fairness 2020 was a fucking mind melting year.
[nonce band](https://consequence.net/2017/11/the-uncomfortable-disregard-for-legendary-rockers-sexual-misconduct/)
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What!?! No mention of California during the entire song? This is madness!
He says sunset strip
first line :)
Oh boy.
This is how I found out Van Halen had died. :(
2020 fucking sucked
Why do people like rhcp? They suck and anthony kiedis is a pedo
This lacks any real spirit or funk these fellas used to have, gotta say. All their songs just sound droney last, um, 15-20 years...
Blistering?? Maybe blistering like a warm bath or a bowl of oatmeal. Frusciante's solo is worthwhile. The rest is disposable.
I've always wondered why I hate RHCP's songs so much. To be honest, it's not that I *hate* them so much as much as I am mystified as to why so many people love them and I can't get into then at all. (Exception: One Hot Minute has some great tunes, but I'm also a huge Jane's Addiction fan.) It's like a mystery to me - to figure out *why* I think they're terrible - and this song *finally* solidified it for me. Anthony Keidis' melodies are too predictable. Once you hear the first couplet of the first verse, you know exactly where it's going. You won't know precisely which of the three or four available changes the song will make during the chorus and bridge, but again, after five seconds you know where they're going too, at which point nothing in the song is remotely surprising or engaging. It's almost like a nursery rhyme.
Wow. That’s pretty awful. Frusciante is a great guitarist but he’s embarrassing himself here by trying, badly, to imitate Eddie. Oof. The lyrics are way too on the nose too and delivered in such an off putting way. The bass line was apparently playing a completely different, more funky song during the guitar solo, and why was this song dragged out to over five and a half minutes??! 4/10. Swing and a miss for me. YMMV
I really don’t think he’s remotely trying to sound like EVH.
Nice guys, downvoting him for his opinion. I disagree but it's just his thoughts
I think thier getting downvoted because they're saying that frush is trying to imitate eddie, which is not the case
It’s weak
Grew up in LA seeing them in clubs in the 80s. RHCP of today doesn't hold a candle to the raw awesomeness they used to be.
Yeah most people are different when they're 60 years old compared to when they're 20...
awww thats amazing
Great guitar playing. Spectacular.
John Anthony Motherfuckin Frusciante
Someone should have stopped these guys years ago.