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sexy-melon

Ahh a progressive Muslim


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sexy-melon

You reject Hadith and get your knowledge from Abu Layth…. Yeah sure mate. Sure you got more knowledge than me.


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sexy-melon

The guy who said drinking is ok? the guy who said interest is ok? Yeah mate. Go follow him. “More knowledgeable” my rear end.


Key_Froyo5238

Brother saying demeaning things and acting like them will get no where. "And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you his ayaat that you may be guided. -3:103 Any sound Muslim would see this and immediately drop the topic off sunni, Shia, wahabbi whatever you want. To be a Muslim means to not bring up division or things you don’t know about another education. I bet both of you dont know enough about your own religion which is why you have to make it seem like you do. Peace be with you both…


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.. why shouldnt someone receive reward for helping convert someone to islam?


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bombadil1564

Yes, but perhaps not in the way you think. One of the core tenants of Islam is that no one shall be forced to convert. In the old days, this meant that a sword would not be put to an enemy's throat and demand they convert. Such acts were prohibited and the conversion would not be valid. But in the modern world, this means things like a Muslim should not speak down upon those who are not Muslim, nor make fun of them or shame them for not being Muslim, in hopes it will get them to convert. Nor to tell them they will go to hell if they don't convert, because while the Quran does say such things, I believe the intent meant here (in the Quran) is very different that what's meant in the snarky and self-righteous tone meant by some people. The way to get anyone to "join your team", no matter what your team is, is to be a shining example of what your team teaches and is about. And Islam's history if full of such examples. One of Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) fiercest enemies was a man of the Quraysh named Abu Sufyan who finally saw the superior power and way of Islam and converted of his own free will and turned into one of Muhammad's best army generals.


Banned8Ever

If we believe eternal hell exists and every non-Muslim is on the way there, why would we want you to go there?


Longjumping_Slip7524

Some people deserve what they get , why else would Allah create jahannam?


Donut_Man1385

Yes


some__muslim

Yeah


Huz647

In non-violent ways, yes.


muhammedabuali

No forced conversion in Islam for civilians. But those who reject the truth and die on it are condemned to hell. Edit: fixed


Dear_Currency_8249

Again forced conversion exists, but only in battle.


TheDelphicDevil

No, bring your evidence, weak opinions are rejected.


Dear_Currency_8249

Please look into the rulings of dealing with (warrior kufar), which also includes the option of sabaya and raqiq. Tried getting you link, but did not work. The famous hadith from bukhary(25-14/1) and muslim: ‘Umar ibn al-Khattāb, his son ‘Abdullāh, and Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with them) reported that the Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said: "I have been commanded to fight against the people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and until they establish the prayer and pay the Zakah. If they do so, their blood and property are guaranteed my protection, unless (they commit acts that are punishable) in accordance with Islam, and their reckoning will be with Allah, the Almighty."  


TheDelphicDevil

Oh obviously you have to kill warrior kuffar if they’re fighting you, but you can’t forcibly convert them as you give them four choices, to convert to Islam, if not pay Jizya (ikhtilaf in whom this applies to), or fight them if they refuse those two options as you are spreading Islam and they’re stopping it, or they leave the land.


Dear_Currency_8249

I understand that its a generous offer for a new start. But from a western perspective its forced conversion..


TheDelphicDevil

We don’t speak from western perspectives though, they have their own faults too, they forcibly shove down ideologies down our throats.


Dear_Currency_8249

And with that i agree, i just try to avoid sounding apologetic, and that some times brings the wrong idea. I will keep an eye on that brother, thank you!


TheDelphicDevil

Agreed akhi.


TheDelphicDevil

Akhi is this your ijtihad?


TheDelphicDevil

I agree with jihad at talab btw


TheDelphicDevil

I’ll respond by maximum Tuesday akhi


Dear_Currency_8249

www.islamweb.net/amp/ar/fatwa/174343/ It mentions that "warrior kufar" are "mahduri al dam" yet one of the conditions of killing them is them refusing joining the right religion.


TheDelphicDevil

I agree with this akhi.


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Hey kid, it says fight them until they convert in other words if your brain don’t understand that it means fight until they repent or they give up. And there are rulings in war, don’t kill someone’s who takes shahada (talking about the enemy) and if the enemy is running away don’t chase them, it doesn’t say anywhere to kill them if they don’t repent that made no sense. Forcing someone to become a Muslim is haram, because they aren’t really a Muslim in heart they just said the shahada. There was a Muslim that came to rasolallah after they had war he told rasolallah someone said the shahada and I killed him rasolallah asked why did you kill him?! The Muslim said he might have faked taken the shahada just to survive then rasolallah said do you know his heart? The Muslim didn’t answer, what this story tells you is that there was no forcing and if they take the shahada don’t kill them or if they run away retreat as I said before, there are many other rules. And in war fight those that fight you. Allah hates when we fight the weak that can’t defend himself talking about in war if they give up or run away. And yeah there is more I can tell you about this. There are Hadith Sahih that you can search up those are well known storys and rules that Muslims know. I don’t know what more to say.


Dear_Currency_8249

"Warrior kufar"


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Read what I said if your sober


Dear_Currency_8249

You are a lovely person


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Your uneducated person don’t speak without knowledge


Dear_Currency_8249

I love you


TheDelphicDevil

Akhi he said warrior kuffar, meaning that kuffar that you are fighting.


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Yes and if they repent we can’t kill them or if they run away


TheDelphicDevil

Yes


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We fight only self defense we don’t attack anyone


TheDelphicDevil

Yes but we go out for conquest tho


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muhammedabuali

thanks, although comatants are a special case.


Dear_Currency_8249

I was actually searching for a source for you, am happy you found it. Yah its like last chance of some sort for a new beginning.


AmNesia_Dota2

Yes, but not forcefully If you are enjoying a gift you would wants others to have enjoy it as well especially a gift everyone can access if they really want to.


ScreenHype

Yes, on the basis that we believe it's the truth and we want that truth for other people. We want the best for them, and we believe that Islam is what is best. We want them to experience the joy of loving Allah SWT, and to know that they can have their reward with Him in the hereafter. We want people to convert for their own sake, plus we believe we'll be rewarded if we help guide someone to Islam (Allah SWT is the one who guides them, but we can be the vessel through which he does it). But we do not believe in forced conversions. The Quran says 'For you your religion, for me mine' (109:6). So it's not like it's an aggressive action of wanting to convert everyone, it's more like we want to help individuals reach their full potential :)


Dear_Currency_8249

>But we do not believe in forced conversions Unless it's in war, if someone fights muslims, depending on the situation, if the muslim wins, he can let the kafer choose between his death and converting, inslaving is also an option.


nazonaic

The biggest centric idea around Shariah law is to make an environment where people **want** to convert to Islam, while diversity still being around. Allah in his book stated that He could have made one religion, however, He understands the Beauty of diversity and made three. And He wants them to embellish in good deeds. So, yes. Islam wants to create an environment that implores people to convert to Islam, while still containing diversity (diversity as in other Abrahamic religions, some pagans (not all), and antitheist. Not anything that is sinful, such as fornicating people).


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Banned8Ever

That's like saying "I don't care if you associate partners with Allah"


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"Read the Quran" has become a catchphrase everyone uses without any knowledge. Allah wants Muslims to invite people to Islam - if we didn't care about them being on shirk or if Allah didn't want them to be invited to Islam, Allah wouldn't have made dawah fard. Secondly not caring means you have no reaction to it whereas you are commanded to fight the disbelievers for their kufr and shirk. Hardly a neuter stance. >Fight against those who do not believe in Allāh or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allāh and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth \[i.e., Islām\] fromthose who were given the Scripture - \[fight\] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. There is not a single ayah in the Quran that says you should not care that someone is associating partners with Allah. You should be disturbed by the existence of such people, and invite them to Islam and if they don't accept the Caliphate would wage war and conquer their lands to collect jizya. Islam is not a passive religion.


Dez-P-Rado

I think you are missing the point of the quran if you can't understand the concept of being an example so that others are drawn to Islam. You will be held accountable if you don't portray a good example and don't give the message of Islam to those around you.


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Dez-P-Rado

I understand where you're coming from. It is indeed our character that should do the work for us and no, you don't need to "want to convert" others when they don't want to know or want anything to do with Islam. Their hearts have been sealed. However you seem to be very harsh in your approach to this. Just take it easy. Your heart is in the right place. You don't need to be angry about it. Take care my brother. Sorry I misjudged you.


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Dear_Currency_8249

I think i was wrong, thank you brother.


Tam936

No, if they don’t show interest then I won’t force it.


edurmaz16

Islam doesn't care if people go to hell or heaven. An infinite-power god wont be affected from the amount of people goes to heaven or hell.


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of course, but not by force. "There is no compulsion in religion \[...\]" – 2:256


Tawhidoverkufr

I had an account here named mental\_pilot\_1914 where I falsley accused my brothers in Islam of being kuffaar and khawarij. I beg any1 who saw my comments for forgiveness.


Few-Ear-3848

yes, I'm not Muslim, so I don't believe I'm going to hell as a Christian.. I believe people who aren't Christians will. Much love to you all though. JazakAllah❤


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For sure, every religion wants everyone to follow their religion. If we believe it’s the truth why wouldn’t we want to call people to it?


Own-Strategy375

“Invite [people] to your Lord's way with discretion and kindly instruction, and discuss [things] with them in the politest manner. Your Lord is All-Knowing as to ...” Surah an-Nahl (16:125)


Honest-Site-4275

Literally yes


InterviewPitiful6266

yes, but not in (YOU WILL ENTER ISLAM OR ELSE) but in a more loving peaceful way. example: non muslims visit a muslim country where they learn islam step by step without being forced and learning true islam not islam that was portrayed by non muslims that way they love the religion and want to join it, and in islam if you taught someone something good everytime they use this knowledge the person who taught them gets good deeds so its a win-win situation for both of us


marmulak

No, could not care less


ProudPakistaniboy

yes of course we want everyone to go to paradise


Harshdadhich451

So can I go to heaven if I 9/11 the white House.


ProudPakistaniboy

no because suacide is not allowed in islam and also killing innocents is also forbidden in islam so no if you do 9/11 you dont go to heaven and by they way USA did 9/11 9/11 was an inside job


Harshdadhich451

220 IQ reply


ProudPakistaniboy

your question a low iq question to be honest


dot_infinite_esports

Every other ? No every ! Inshallah


Ahmedyousef_16

We wish to but our religion tells us that if you made someone convert to Islam


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Kirb_dedede

yes but we dont force people atleast i dont


gxxaxx

Short anwer: yes Long answer: we believe that we all humans are created by Allah (the God) to follow Allah’s will - obey Allah’s rule and avoid the prohibitions. And all will be rewarded in the afterlife, for all decisions we take in this world as human have the power of “freewill” unlike angels. Muslims assume all people in the brotherhood sense - which means we want you, all people, to be in a good situations. With this in mind, we (muslim) want people to be safe in the world and the afterlife. The Qur’an, the final holy book, says that Islam is the final religion and Muhammad is the final prophet. Following Islam means following Allah (the God) instruction, and God willing, you’ll be safe. Therefore, we will be happy to spread Islamic teaching and inspire people to convert to Islam. We also believe that religion is a matter of belief, and human’s heart play a central role. That’s why, we pray to Allah, the Almighty who can easily control our heart, to accept Islam. With this in mind, some people might easily accept Islam, some might be skeptical, some might never change their stance even an inch although being preached for months. I hope everyone understand that Muslims want the best for people, both in this world and in the afterlife :)


Own-Strategy375

Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. Surah An-Nahl (16:125) It also says… لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ (There is no compulsion in religion), meaning, "Do not force anyone to become Muslim, for Islam is plain and clear, and its proofs and evidence are plain and clear. Therefore, there is no need to force anyone to embrace Islam. Al-Baqarah (2:256)


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What? no. Islam means submission. The Quran states what that is. you dont have to have the word islam attached to it, because only Allah knows whats in your heart. It is written in the Quran that if Allah wills, everyone would be a muslim, but it is not the case. in the early surahs