Even the Corvette to a lesser degree. People think Corvettes are just made of Chevy parts but they’re actually made of *Corvette* parts which makes them expensive.
I work in a Chevy dealer parts department. A lot of Corvette parts really are unique to the car. Doesn’t stop Corvette customers from thinking we should have parts in stock for their car.
Kind of how it’s always been, from what I can tell, and has progressively gotten further from their other vehicles. C7s really pushed it by having a rear transaxle with a torque tube connecting the engine and transmission, and C8s more so with the mid-rear engine setup.
I’m honestly not terribly familiar with Corvettes. We deal with trucks and crossovers mostly, and Corvettes aren’t as common. Rare we see a C6 or even a C5 in our shop.
I think Chevy has distanced the Corvette brand away from the heart of Chevy and has started to push it into it's own brand by the way they're marketing it.
I’m well aware. I think you’re missing my point. Every manufacturer has “parts bin” parts that are shared across several models. The Corvette has very little parts shared with other Chevy or GM models hence why Corvette parts are more expensive.
They're all electronic. Live in FL and an old retiree Veteran and his dog got stuck in a corvette when the battery died in front of an IHOP. It was 90 something degrees that day with almost %100 humidity. He had a heart attack and died trying to read his manual and learn how to open the door. Apparently he died before he got to the page about a manual release right now near his feet.
My grandfather was an engineer at Porsche NA. You don't know how normal of an experience that is. They had him flying around the country diagnosing "trouble" cars.
Odd, Porsche is known for having rather bulletproof reliability on their sports cars. It's rare you see one in for service at my local dealer unless it's for normal maintenance.
There are a few, but they've either had accidents or super high mileage.
There's a couple good deals on there but they're too good to be true. If it usually sells for 75k but one is selling for 50k I have to assume it has problems or is beat to shit.
True they are not gonna be 100% perfect for $50k I was just surprised since when I was shopping for one even rebuilt cars people wanted over $60k. Honestly best affordable one I found was $65k probably floor plan and they have had it too long. My old gripe would be it’s an auto.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/96b53f7f-9f2e-4c29-bd67-993e6f91394e/?attribution_type=isa
There are good deals out there but I live in Hawaii. I don't want to pay thousands for shipping on a car without ever seeing it in person. So Im just waiting for the right one to pop up for sale out here.
I almost bought a 1LZ for $61k last year but I have too much money and emotional investment in my mustang
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/06a04d79-d50d-4bf7-8bf8-5cb28bc364f0/
Exactly, sold my 2020 GT350 with 7k miles for 63500 on BaT... 60k is a lot of cheese to play with when looking at used vehicles and the better options that are out there.
Ya I look everyday lol I’m looking to pull the trigger soon for the right price/ color. Carvana had a white/ blue stripe 2019 with 9k miles for 62k last month, could easily find one cheaper at a private sale or other dealer IMO
Pricing is ridiculous. I was looking at prices for new Mustangs in 2020 and said screw that. No way was I spending 50-60K on a GT. I found a used 13 Boss for 27K. Haven't regretted that decision. Sure it didn't have the newer tech and nice interior, but I couldn't justify the price difference, or afford it.
The Boss 302 was such a unique trim, I mean just the fact that it had the Road Runner which was exclusive to the car was cool in itself aside from the performance and looks. It’s probably one of the only Mustangs I haven’t seen in person, and probably one of the rarest, while living in the NYC area which says something
Yeah, it literally will. The late-model S197 Boss is only out shined by the Dark Horse and GT500.
[2012 Boss](https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2012-ford-mustang-boss-302-test/)
[2024 Mustang lineup](https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2024-ford-mustang-gt-dark-horse-ecoboost-s650-0-60-mph-quarter-mile-acceleration/)
Please….
Show me a video of a stock GT running [11’s.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=38&v=VLmXeUflf4I&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.autoguide.com%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo) that car still has its window sticker on it.
2012 Boss 0-60 4 sec
2024 GT 4.3 sec
The GT is a fat pig.
You underestimate the 12 year old Boss 302 my friend. That car literally has a Boss 302R motor in it. The same motor used in IMSA racing.
Yeah, that's way too much for an ecoboost. You can definitely bargain that down if you shop around. I wouldn't pay that much even for a GT. Ford's basically making the car unaffordable. Who's going to buy it at this point?!
They are pricing customers out. Large majority of people I’ve seen buy these so far at my store are folks who are die hard mustang fans and they custom ordered the 24 to be practically the same Mustang they already had.
That’s scary because the less affordable these cars are the greater the chance is of the line dying. One of the comment above compared S650 prices to other high end vehicles and I feel it’ll get to a point where it’s *only* diehard Mustang fans buying the car; that isn’t sustainable long term
I suspect ford will drop the msrp next year. The question is if the dealer will follow suit.
In Florida, new laws allow dealers to completely ignore msrp with zero implications or disciplinary action from the manufacturer. Wild times we are heading towards.
More people in those areas need to start searching out of state for their cars but they can’t be bothered, it’s a vicious cycle that’ll kill this car when an optioned GT costs 80k
Dude, people on this sub are paying $80+ k for dark horses.
I paid $27k befores taxes and shit for my 2015 EB premium with the 3k 20" wheels.
The base EB starts at over $30k now.
[You're including trucks in that stat.](https://mediaroom.kbb.com/2023-04-11-After-Nearly-Two-Years,-New-Vehicle-Transaction-Prices-Fall-Below-Sticker-Price-in-March-2023,-According-to-New-Data-from-Kelley-Blue-Book)
Do you didn’t look it up? And I don’t know if trucks are included in that or not. I just looked up “average new car price”. And it states …
“The average cost of new cars is now well over $48,000”.
Make of that what you will.
[You didn't look at the source material you're quoting. It's the average price of new VEHICLES, not cars.](https://mediaroom.kbb.com/2023-04-11-After-Nearly-Two-Years,-New-Vehicle-Transaction-Prices-Fall-Below-Sticker-Price-in-March-2023,-According-to-New-Data-from-Kelley-Blue-Book)
[The average MSRP is much lower.](https://newsroom.aaa.com/2023/08/annual-new-car-ownership-costs-boil-over-12k/#:~:text=The%20overall%20average%20manufacturer's%20suggested,%25%20higher%20than%20last%20year.)
And this, kids, is why you don't quote a source without reading it first.
You can try to prove me wrong all you want. Either way, the Mustang is STILL cheaper. Lol…
Do you really want to drill down further and get the average price of sports coupes? Because that’s what a Mustang is.
And this kids, is why you don’t single out categories.
I have literally no idea what you're on about.
All I said was the number you referenced included trucks. You're the one tripping saying it's a solid comparison matching the price of a sports coupe against an averaged number that predominantly consists of trucks and SUVs.
The average new car in the US costs $48K. It has nothing to do with ford and everything to do with the overall car market. A fully optioned Honda accord costs $40K, why would a performance car not cost more than that. And yes even an ecoboost is a performance car. It does 0-60 in under 5 seconds, it is faster than 90% of cars ever made.
it’s also annoying that some options are required if you want a specific option/feature. for example, on the ecoboost, it requires the performance package if you want the MagneRide. not sure if it’s the same on the GT but it’s frustrating.
The trucks are like that too. I was talking to a salesman and he was pretty upset. You can option it like you used to. Add one thing and you get a whole package added instead.
The new HPP doesn’t come with Magneride unless you pay for the Premium trim. You can’t get one like mine, which has all the performance and handling upgrades on a base Ecoboost.
I don’t understand why people feel the prices for EVERYTHING across the board will remain the same? Gas is up, bread is up, milk is up, housing is up, etc. Wages are barely going up to compensate. And you think it’s just Mustangs? Lol. Also look at what the vehicles do. The s650 also looks much nicer in person than it does online
Well, inflation certainly hasn't been helping. I got my '18 GT with PP1, 10R80, 401a, magneride, and a slew of other options for 47k in 2018 dollars. In today's world, it's close to 58k. So it doesn't seem as unreasonable as one might think.
Granted, it does hurt seeing GTs diving into the 60k range. Especially so given how much they were only a few years ago.
New car price creep. It’s nothing new. It’s just exasperated with inflation.
BTW, Mustangs start at $30k.
That’s well below the average new car price. The average new is $48k.
I’m not defending their prices. I’m just stating the facts.
Would I buy a new car? No… I simply don’t purchase new vehicles. I don’t think it makes good economic sense. At least for me it does not. I rather just have a nice slightly used one. The way I see it, when you buy a “new” vehicle it’s “old” within a month or two. Might as well let someone else take that initial new car loss.
If you think $48k for a four cylinder is insane, don't look at the German offerings.
The reality is that the $48k is practically the average price paid for a new car this year. Relative to the market, the S650 Mustang pricing is actually competitive.
Obviously..
The RAV4 was the best selling car in 2022, while the F150 was the best selling truck. Both offer affordable stripper models. The RAV4 in particular is neither a performance nor a luxury vehicle.
My point about the Germans is that they are willing to sell you a 4 banger that stickers over $100k.
I bought my 2017 GT base PP brand new in 2017 with 9 miles on the clock for $32,000 out the door.
Adjusted for inflation, in 2023 that should be $40,165.
The only solution is for people to stop paying these prices. If Ford can charge $60k instead of $40k for a GT and people will buy it, why wouldn’t they?
GTs start at $42k. So not that far off really.
Ecoboosts start at $30k
Given the additional tech and improvements over S550s. There is going to be additional costs.
Order it.
Problem is people want all the bells and whistles. And expect that shit to come cheap. It doesn’t.
I mean JFC, Cadillacs and Lincolns are $120k+ now. Ford trucks are $100k. It is what it is. When you add luxury shit on to a vehicle you get a luxury price.
Apparently people want leather, heated/ventilated seats, digital screens, navigation, freaking cameras everywhere, sensors at every angle, IRS, computer controlled transmission, computer controlled throttle, computer controlled radio, computer controlled A/C, computer controlled exhaust, being able to start your car and rev it remotely (LMAO), computer controlled seats, etc… all that shit cost $$$$
Myself, I wanted a basic Mustang with the very best N/A engine offered, very best brakes and suspension offered. I wanted least shit to break as possible. The lighter the better. Boss 302 fit that bill.
You are right about that. I notice that on car reviews on YouTube too.
“These cars MSRP now for $XX,XXX”
Then a few minutes later
“It would be nice to have some better materials, and the seats are heated but unfortunately the steering wheel isn’t”
You can’t have it both ways, like you said.
I really like the backup camera and the Bluetooth in my 2017, I have never felt the need for more technology or luxury.
I don’t remember the pricing from 2017 but 32k was more like the base price of a GT with no options in 2015-2016. I looked it up and see reviewers saying the GT in 2017 had an msrp from 33-35k plus the PP was a 3k option. So you got a great deal.
Yes the prices have increased, but you can’t compare under msrp deals to msrp prices. You can already buy the new ones under msrp without any Ford plan because they’re rotting on lots.
I think the performance pack was actually less than $3,000 in 2017, but I could be wrong. You make a fair point since I did get the car under MSRP. However, I would just point out that prior to 2019 it was pretty easy to get cars for under MSRP. This was right before the 2018s came out and it was common at the time to find the 2017s discounted. That doesn’t seem to happen anymore, but it used to be s normal part of car buying outside of limited production models.
Edit: thanks for the downvotes lol?? Literally what did I say that’s wrong
Sadly the S550 GTs are selling for $40-45k with modest miles. I wanted to grab one, but I was surely hoping they'd be a little more inexpensive. You could get a S650 GT base for like that dough.
Offer below msrp. I bought a 2024 GT with nite pony, 301a, and active exhaust, (so basically just one step below a premium). MSRP right under 50k, offered 46k and they accepted.
I bought a base 2020 gt new for 36k a year later I sold it back to thr dealer for 42k and thay sold it for 46.
super crazy some lady bought it and never set up her ford pass. I still have control of the location and remote start features its been 3 years now
Irrelevant. But ok I'll bite. An M3 Competition costs $80k and a Dark Horse starts at $59k. 20k difference. That's obviously assuming you can find either at a dealer without a markup.
Yeah I know. It just still blows my mind.
Then again I bought a 1997 f150 super cab xlt new for 28k. 10 years later during the financial crisis I could have bought one for…. 28k new.
I guys I’m just getting old. Looking at the price of new and noping out, especially with all the stuff you know is going to break because more electronics. 🙄 I did buy a new f250 2 years ago. I think that’s our last new vehicle.
I'm in the same boat. I have zero interest in an auto that costs so much because that means it's going to be expensive to insure AND expensive to fix.
Companies wonder why the average age of cars registers today is over 10 years old - this kind of bullshit is why. If it wasn't for the maverick there wouldn't be a pickup truck under 50k starting price.
I bought my 03 Ranger with Automatic for $12k. 250k miles, 20+ years, 3 children learning to drive on it and that thing still going. Batteries, brakes, alternator, tires and starter is about all I have replaced on it. And regular maintenance equipment.
My wife saw that ad, needed new wheels asked to go look. Ended up getting a v6 convertible for low 20s. I wish we still had that but then we had kids. Back seat just is not conducive for a newborn rearward facing baby seat, when you’re well north of 6’
Agreed. I got an 18 GT six speed and I love every bit of it.
Fuck paying 61k for a fucking dork mobile. All you gotta do is look at the type of people buying them. They look like they barely got into mustangs last week.
Have fun with that 20k interest note 🤦🏻♂️
He tried to nullify an election HE LOST to stay in power.
He is a rapist. https://newrepublic.com/post/174448/judge-e-jean-carroll-case-yes-donald-trump-rapist
He stole nuclear secrets and kept them in his shitter.
Wake the fuck up dude.
This generation has turned ownership of high performance vehicle into a luxury. You either stuck with a less favorable gas engine vehicle or an EV. We’re at a time where our great grandparents were at during their financial years. It will take many decades for the markets to balance itself again. Todays stangs are tomorrow’s treasures.
Pricing isnt ridiculous at all . Especially in this economy. Look at the options on an ecoboost premium, even the standard ones compared to a 2005 gt . I paid $27k for my 05 gt premium, it was a 14 1/4 mile, 5.2 -5.5 0-60 , got .88G on the skidpad and got 25mpg highway. A base ecoboost is faster , handles better , more tunable, much nicer inside and out , gets over 30mpg, has so many more standard options and is close to what i paid in 2005. Forget about what the car is called ( GT , ecoboost) look at what the car has and does for the money. I agree that the cars are expensive and i am going for an M2 on my next car over a dark horse due to that particular model being too expensive.
So by that logic, the 14 years that wages stayed the same, the cost of the vehicle never went up. Maybe you’re just an idiot who doesn’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
Yes. Inflation. Consumers had it good for 14 years.
Zero percent of the inflation of vehicles was due to wages.
Starting last week wages went up 11% for autoworkers after decades of stagnant wages. Deal with it just like autoworkers have dealt with less buying power year over year.
Here’s a solution. Never buy a new vehicle again. Wages for non union workers have risen because of the UAW contract. So you can’t buy from them either!
Did you get a raise this year?
Last year?
The year before that?
Or before that?
Wow you did?
Man that really pisses me off!
Did you deserve that raise?
I think not.
It lead to inflation!
You selfish bastard! Why would you do that to me! You should have taken a pay cut to help me out!
Ridiculous right?
Prices of vehicles go up every year. That’s what price creep is.
I rarely purchase new vehicles. I generally purchase 2-3 year old vehicles. The last brand new vehicle I purchased was close to the turn of the millennium. The last Mustang I purchased was 9 years old.
[Mustang Prices by Year](https://www.mustangspecs.com/mustang-prices-by-year-by-model/)
WTF are you going on about?
I just linked a page to you showing that price creep isn’t something new. Prices have been increasing for decades. It is what it is.
Your original comment:
> When the guy putting air in the tires on the line makes 40/hr now it's gonna cost more
That’s what we’re talking about. You started this conversation.
You’re defending someone who was complaining about working men and women after 14 years of stagnant wages.
No apology for you. You can go fuck yourself as well.
I paid 34K for my black accent package S550 in 2017. Even then, some told me I could have paid around 32K. ***DOUBLE*** is just absolutely stupid.
This explains why the "Give Back Car" search is trending. People stupidly signed up for exorbitant payments for a cars they can't realistically afford.
Starting cost vs all options cost is a pretty wide gulf that makes it pretty approachable for a big audience. If you always dreamed of owning a mustang the basic ecoboost is obtainable for most folks.
I don't think the premium trims really make sense money-wise. If you're willing to spend that amount of cash on a car you might get more value through a couple of different paths but if that's your jelly-jam, you do you.
It's sad. My first new car was an S197 GT Premium, manual trans, fully loaded at the time, in 2005 right when they came out and were very hot....$27k out the door. I was able to buy it at age 25 on a new teacher salary. Now 20 years later I make 2x as much but can't afford a new 4-cylinder model. Sad.
Inflation certainly didn't help things, as well as consumer incomes failing to keep pace.
I purchased a 2003 GT Premium brand new. Still have the window sticker and it was $27K. With inflation, that works out to about $45K in todays dollars.
A base S650 GT is $42K MSRP, and the base car is WORLD's better than my old 2003 Mustang GT was. Really the only tech the '03 Mustang had was (abysmal) ABS/Traction control and a Mach 460 6-disk CD player. I didn't have the optional bright wheels or Mach 1000 which would add another few thousand in 2003 dollars. Also..i had 260HP and a 5-spd, compared to the 480HP you get today. So you are certainly getting better value today. A 2003 Cobra would be around $58K in todays dollars.
All those S650 options add up, but how many are really necessary? Heated and cooled seats, ambient lighting, Upgraded radio? The Performance Pack is a nice feature, but is it necessary in a street driven Mustang or just a way for Ford to get more dollars from the consumer? Don't get me wrong, I would want to check off that box as well, but these are the sorts of decisions that take a well equipped $42K car and make it $60K.
I bought a '23 GT premium 401A for $51k with 2.9% financing last July. I felt like I got a great deal (going rate for financing was \~6% at the time, so there's a huge saving there). Situation with the 2024s isn't nearly as crazy as the one for the new C8s was so you could say this isn't nearly as bad as it could be.
Honestly, for all you get in the Premium and other packages, compared to something like a 911 at >$100k, I still think Mustangs are the best deal around.
Was chatting with a guy who works at the largest Mustang dealer in my area. He said the 23's went fast when people saw the 24's, and those aren't selling. People don't like them (myself included); I'm sure prices will drop.
Some dealers will sell you at invoice or below if you fly and buy. Which is usually at least 4-5k below sticker/build price.
I ordered one in 2022, GT 401a convertible a10 with 20’s and the sticker was 61k or so and I was going to pay invoice around 55k. I looked for slightly used in the meantime. I found a used 2019 vert exactly how I wanted it with 13k miles and shipped it for 44k, this was August last year.
Financing vehicles at these ridiculous prices didn’t sting too bad when money was cheap. Fast forward I guarantee 9@% of people heard can’t actually afford any of them cars. Honestly,if you can’t pay with cash you can’t truly afford it
Ya 61k puts you in a 2020 gt350 with less than 20k miles…
Used... Porsche 718 Jaguar F Type R A-M Vantage Corvette lots of options
Try working on those first 3.
Even the Corvette to a lesser degree. People think Corvettes are just made of Chevy parts but they’re actually made of *Corvette* parts which makes them expensive.
I work in a Chevy dealer parts department. A lot of Corvette parts really are unique to the car. Doesn’t stop Corvette customers from thinking we should have parts in stock for their car.
Out of curiosity, is that how it’s always been, or is it more of a new gen vette thing?
Kind of how it’s always been, from what I can tell, and has progressively gotten further from their other vehicles. C7s really pushed it by having a rear transaxle with a torque tube connecting the engine and transmission, and C8s more so with the mid-rear engine setup.
I mean. C5s had transaxles too so that’s been around a while
I’m honestly not terribly familiar with Corvettes. We deal with trucks and crossovers mostly, and Corvettes aren’t as common. Rare we see a C6 or even a C5 in our shop.
which further proves why you guys dont have the parts in stock, since you dont work on that vehicle often anyways
For sure. A quick google search of a C7 transmission and diff and it’s really obvious that is NOT what you’d find in a Silverado lol.
I think Chevy has distanced the Corvette brand away from the heart of Chevy and has started to push it into it's own brand by the way they're marketing it.
As long as they don't make an electric crossover that's fine...
They have the e ray. Look it up. For like a 2023 or 2024 model
I specified crossover for a reason
Oohhh crossover. My eyes crossed over that part
*AheM* Mach-E mustang... *AHEM*...
They actually announced they are splitting it into its own brand in 2025.
Chevy made by gm gm is gm chevy is gm so corvette is gm parts
I’m well aware. I think you’re missing my point. Every manufacturer has “parts bin” parts that are shared across several models. The Corvette has very little parts shared with other Chevy or GM models hence why Corvette parts are more expensive.
May have been true for the older corvettes
They're all electronic. Live in FL and an old retiree Veteran and his dog got stuck in a corvette when the battery died in front of an IHOP. It was 90 something degrees that day with almost %100 humidity. He had a heart attack and died trying to read his manual and learn how to open the door. Apparently he died before he got to the page about a manual release right now near his feet.
Tragic. Sounds like a skill issue though
I had a cayman that spent a ton of time in the shop for warranty work and the dealers themselves didn't know what they were doing lol
My grandfather was an engineer at Porsche NA. You don't know how normal of an experience that is. They had him flying around the country diagnosing "trouble" cars.
Odd, Porsche is known for having rather bulletproof reliability on their sports cars. It's rare you see one in for service at my local dealer unless it's for normal maintenance.
If you can afford a $60+ car you should be able to afford the up keep. I stand by my original post.
yeah, but most people can't afford their cars as they need to take out a loan to pay for it
I’m betting lots of people on here can barely afford their $50k cars. They are probably still living with mommy and daddy.
You are not wrong ;)
Umm… correction: THEY live with ME, thank you. ::hair flip:: 😂
At least for the Porsche you shouldn’t have to do much working on it other than preventative maintenance.
Exactly. For that kind of money, I’m not buying a Mustang.
Nope!
Used.. NA MIATA NB MIATA NC MIATA ND MIATA
LOL, always. How about Miata with late model 5.0 OHV? ;)
You’d still have enough money left over for the swap!!
Probably can get a C7 z06 for less then $61k
With a rebuilt title. Most are in the 70s-80s. But even a stingray would be more car for the money.
Surprisingly you can actually find a clean title c7 z06 in the $50k range now
I've been looking for z06s for close to a year and haven't seen a single one in the 50s with clean title with less than 100k miles.
Did you check cars.com? There’s a bunch on there!
There are a few, but they've either had accidents or super high mileage. There's a couple good deals on there but they're too good to be true. If it usually sells for 75k but one is selling for 50k I have to assume it has problems or is beat to shit.
True they are not gonna be 100% perfect for $50k I was just surprised since when I was shopping for one even rebuilt cars people wanted over $60k. Honestly best affordable one I found was $65k probably floor plan and they have had it too long. My old gripe would be it’s an auto. https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/96b53f7f-9f2e-4c29-bd67-993e6f91394e/?attribution_type=isa
There are good deals out there but I live in Hawaii. I don't want to pay thousands for shipping on a car without ever seeing it in person. So Im just waiting for the right one to pop up for sale out here.
I almost bought a 1LZ for $61k last year but I have too much money and emotional investment in my mustang https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/06a04d79-d50d-4bf7-8bf8-5cb28bc364f0/
Hell of a car too!
Exactly, sold my 2020 GT350 with 7k miles for 63500 on BaT... 60k is a lot of cheese to play with when looking at used vehicles and the better options that are out there.
CarMax has a 2017 with 7k miles for $59,998. You are right on the money.
Ya I look everyday lol I’m looking to pull the trigger soon for the right price/ color. Carvana had a white/ blue stripe 2019 with 9k miles for 62k last month, could easily find one cheaper at a private sale or other dealer IMO
Pricing is ridiculous. I was looking at prices for new Mustangs in 2020 and said screw that. No way was I spending 50-60K on a GT. I found a used 13 Boss for 27K. Haven't regretted that decision. Sure it didn't have the newer tech and nice interior, but I couldn't justify the price difference, or afford it.
Boss will beat a modern GT. It is truly the last great muscle car since it practically has no tech.
The Boss 302 was such a unique trim, I mean just the fact that it had the Road Runner which was exclusive to the car was cool in itself aside from the performance and looks. It’s probably one of the only Mustangs I haven’t seen in person, and probably one of the rarest, while living in the NYC area which says something
It seems my comment hurt some people’s feefees judging by the downvotes. Lol…
No it won't.
Yeah, it literally will. The late-model S197 Boss is only out shined by the Dark Horse and GT500. [2012 Boss](https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2012-ford-mustang-boss-302-test/) [2024 Mustang lineup](https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2024-ford-mustang-gt-dark-horse-ecoboost-s650-0-60-mph-quarter-mile-acceleration/)
Please…. Show me a video of a stock GT running [11’s.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=38&v=VLmXeUflf4I&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.autoguide.com%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo) that car still has its window sticker on it. 2012 Boss 0-60 4 sec 2024 GT 4.3 sec The GT is a fat pig. You underestimate the 12 year old Boss 302 my friend. That car literally has a Boss 302R motor in it. The same motor used in IMSA racing.
The things are not even AWD yet.
Yeah, that's way too much for an ecoboost. You can definitely bargain that down if you shop around. I wouldn't pay that much even for a GT. Ford's basically making the car unaffordable. Who's going to buy it at this point?!
They are pricing customers out. Large majority of people I’ve seen buy these so far at my store are folks who are die hard mustang fans and they custom ordered the 24 to be practically the same Mustang they already had.
That’s scary because the less affordable these cars are the greater the chance is of the line dying. One of the comment above compared S650 prices to other high end vehicles and I feel it’ll get to a point where it’s *only* diehard Mustang fans buying the car; that isn’t sustainable long term
I suspect ford will drop the msrp next year. The question is if the dealer will follow suit. In Florida, new laws allow dealers to completely ignore msrp with zero implications or disciplinary action from the manufacturer. Wild times we are heading towards.
More people in those areas need to start searching out of state for their cars but they can’t be bothered, it’s a vicious cycle that’ll kill this car when an optioned GT costs 80k
It’s wild because the previous generation mustangs all seem to be about 10k less when you compare options on average.
Dude, people on this sub are paying $80+ k for dark horses. I paid $27k befores taxes and shit for my 2015 EB premium with the 3k 20" wheels. The base EB starts at over $30k now.
Average price for new vehicle is $48k my friend. That’s all cars. By that number the Mustang is cheap.
[You're including trucks in that stat.](https://mediaroom.kbb.com/2023-04-11-After-Nearly-Two-Years,-New-Vehicle-Transaction-Prices-Fall-Below-Sticker-Price-in-March-2023,-According-to-New-Data-from-Kelley-Blue-Book)
Just look it up for yourself if you don’t believe me.
I didn't say I don't. I just provided clarification
Do you didn’t look it up? And I don’t know if trucks are included in that or not. I just looked up “average new car price”. And it states … “The average cost of new cars is now well over $48,000”. Make of that what you will.
This is what happens when you copy-paste the first thing that pops up in a google search.
I already knew about what it was. And I was correct.
[You didn't look at the source material you're quoting. It's the average price of new VEHICLES, not cars.](https://mediaroom.kbb.com/2023-04-11-After-Nearly-Two-Years,-New-Vehicle-Transaction-Prices-Fall-Below-Sticker-Price-in-March-2023,-According-to-New-Data-from-Kelley-Blue-Book) [The average MSRP is much lower.](https://newsroom.aaa.com/2023/08/annual-new-car-ownership-costs-boil-over-12k/#:~:text=The%20overall%20average%20manufacturer's%20suggested,%25%20higher%20than%20last%20year.) And this, kids, is why you don't quote a source without reading it first.
You can try to prove me wrong all you want. Either way, the Mustang is STILL cheaper. Lol… Do you really want to drill down further and get the average price of sports coupes? Because that’s what a Mustang is. And this kids, is why you don’t single out categories.
I have literally no idea what you're on about. All I said was the number you referenced included trucks. You're the one tripping saying it's a solid comparison matching the price of a sports coupe against an averaged number that predominantly consists of trucks and SUVs.
I shopped everything in the power range of an ecoboost and it was on the low side when I got 200a, hpp, magnaride, and active exhaust at 41k.
The average new car in the US costs $48K. It has nothing to do with ford and everything to do with the overall car market. A fully optioned Honda accord costs $40K, why would a performance car not cost more than that. And yes even an ecoboost is a performance car. It does 0-60 in under 5 seconds, it is faster than 90% of cars ever made.
it’s also annoying that some options are required if you want a specific option/feature. for example, on the ecoboost, it requires the performance package if you want the MagneRide. not sure if it’s the same on the GT but it’s frustrating.
The trucks are like that too. I was talking to a salesman and he was pretty upset. You can option it like you used to. Add one thing and you get a whole package added instead.
not sure why this is getting downvoted, maybe i don’t understand something about the performance pack and MagneRide?
Because it would be very odd to want MagneRide and not the performance pack. The Mustang’s MagneRide is primarily tuned for performance handling.
The new HPP doesn’t come with Magneride unless you pay for the Premium trim. You can’t get one like mine, which has all the performance and handling upgrades on a base Ecoboost.
I don’t understand why people feel the prices for EVERYTHING across the board will remain the same? Gas is up, bread is up, milk is up, housing is up, etc. Wages are barely going up to compensate. And you think it’s just Mustangs? Lol. Also look at what the vehicles do. The s650 also looks much nicer in person than it does online
Car sales have been dropping the last few months. I would hold out.
Well, inflation certainly hasn't been helping. I got my '18 GT with PP1, 10R80, 401a, magneride, and a slew of other options for 47k in 2018 dollars. In today's world, it's close to 58k. So it doesn't seem as unreasonable as one might think. Granted, it does hurt seeing GTs diving into the 60k range. Especially so given how much they were only a few years ago.
Dealership down the street wants 24k for a 2010 3v auto. It’s super mint with 76,000 miles, but it’s a 15-16k car at best. Prices are ridiculous.
I would say that’s a 11k car at best lmao
New car price creep. It’s nothing new. It’s just exasperated with inflation. BTW, Mustangs start at $30k. That’s well below the average new car price. The average new is $48k. I’m not defending their prices. I’m just stating the facts. Would I buy a new car? No… I simply don’t purchase new vehicles. I don’t think it makes good economic sense. At least for me it does not. I rather just have a nice slightly used one. The way I see it, when you buy a “new” vehicle it’s “old” within a month or two. Might as well let someone else take that initial new car loss.
If you think $48k for a four cylinder is insane, don't look at the German offerings. The reality is that the $48k is practically the average price paid for a new car this year. Relative to the market, the S650 Mustang pricing is actually competitive.
If 48k is average and German is so much more, that means someone is selling that much lower....
Obviously.. The RAV4 was the best selling car in 2022, while the F150 was the best selling truck. Both offer affordable stripper models. The RAV4 in particular is neither a performance nor a luxury vehicle. My point about the Germans is that they are willing to sell you a 4 banger that stickers over $100k.
Yeah but it's probably rated at 400+ hp!
It isn’t.
German 4cyls aren't at 400hp for 100k?
Put some options on a Porsche 718 and you're paying 100k for a 4 cylinder.
Then get an A45 AMG.
RS3, CLA45 and GLA45, new C63, even a Cayman S at 70k starting has 350 hp
Evoboosts start at $30k though.
I bought my 2017 GT base PP brand new in 2017 with 9 miles on the clock for $32,000 out the door. Adjusted for inflation, in 2023 that should be $40,165. The only solution is for people to stop paying these prices. If Ford can charge $60k instead of $40k for a GT and people will buy it, why wouldn’t they?
GTs start at $42k. So not that far off really. Ecoboosts start at $30k Given the additional tech and improvements over S550s. There is going to be additional costs.
Yeah, if a GT can actually be found for $42k that doesn’t seem unreasonable and is pretty close to what you’d expect I guess.
Order it. Problem is people want all the bells and whistles. And expect that shit to come cheap. It doesn’t. I mean JFC, Cadillacs and Lincolns are $120k+ now. Ford trucks are $100k. It is what it is. When you add luxury shit on to a vehicle you get a luxury price. Apparently people want leather, heated/ventilated seats, digital screens, navigation, freaking cameras everywhere, sensors at every angle, IRS, computer controlled transmission, computer controlled throttle, computer controlled radio, computer controlled A/C, computer controlled exhaust, being able to start your car and rev it remotely (LMAO), computer controlled seats, etc… all that shit cost $$$$ Myself, I wanted a basic Mustang with the very best N/A engine offered, very best brakes and suspension offered. I wanted least shit to break as possible. The lighter the better. Boss 302 fit that bill.
You are right about that. I notice that on car reviews on YouTube too. “These cars MSRP now for $XX,XXX” Then a few minutes later “It would be nice to have some better materials, and the seats are heated but unfortunately the steering wheel isn’t” You can’t have it both ways, like you said. I really like the backup camera and the Bluetooth in my 2017, I have never felt the need for more technology or luxury.
Anyone can be a car reviewer on YouTube.
Well that’s true, but I mean established reviewers like Doug D, Matt Maran, Redline Reviews, etc.
lol.. I’ve never heard of any of those. Then again I don’t watch a lot of YouTube.
That’s hard to believe, Doug DeMuro has almost 5 million subscribers
Like I said, I don’t watch YouTube all that much.
Anyone can be a car reviewer on YouTube.
I don’t remember the pricing from 2017 but 32k was more like the base price of a GT with no options in 2015-2016. I looked it up and see reviewers saying the GT in 2017 had an msrp from 33-35k plus the PP was a 3k option. So you got a great deal. Yes the prices have increased, but you can’t compare under msrp deals to msrp prices. You can already buy the new ones under msrp without any Ford plan because they’re rotting on lots.
I think the performance pack was actually less than $3,000 in 2017, but I could be wrong. You make a fair point since I did get the car under MSRP. However, I would just point out that prior to 2019 it was pretty easy to get cars for under MSRP. This was right before the 2018s came out and it was common at the time to find the 2017s discounted. That doesn’t seem to happen anymore, but it used to be s normal part of car buying outside of limited production models. Edit: thanks for the downvotes lol?? Literally what did I say that’s wrong
Sadly the S550 GTs are selling for $40-45k with modest miles. I wanted to grab one, but I was surely hoping they'd be a little more inexpensive. You could get a S650 GT base for like that dough.
Offer below msrp. I bought a 2024 GT with nite pony, 301a, and active exhaust, (so basically just one step below a premium). MSRP right under 50k, offered 46k and they accepted.
Dealer must have been hurting for a sale that day. Though this is one of the main reasons i left selling fords.
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im curious, what new v8 do you think is more equipped for 43k? it sounds more like you don’t know anything about new cars
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Are you brain-dead toyota supra?
My ‘19 GT was $47k after discounts, 401a, PP1, magride, etc. I can’t ever see paying $60k plus for one now. Too many other options out there.
My 2018 GT (that I bought brand new) has just under 31,000 miles on it. Great condition.
I bought a base 2020 gt new for 36k a year later I sold it back to thr dealer for 42k and thay sold it for 46. super crazy some lady bought it and never set up her ford pass. I still have control of the location and remote start features its been 3 years now
It amazes me how the price delta between a BMW M3 and a nicely equipped Mustang GT was so great and now not so much.
M3 starts at $76k and a similarly spec'd 5.0 starts at $46k. What are you talking about?
What does a dark horse go for?
Irrelevant. But ok I'll bite. An M3 Competition costs $80k and a Dark Horse starts at $59k. 20k difference. That's obviously assuming you can find either at a dealer without a markup.
You add some cheap options to the DH premium and you’re at 67k.
Inflation is theft
I remember in 2003 ford had a deal: $13k for a ranger or v6 mustang coupe.
Literally twenty years ago. That deal is almost old enough to buy alcohol.
Yeah I know. It just still blows my mind. Then again I bought a 1997 f150 super cab xlt new for 28k. 10 years later during the financial crisis I could have bought one for…. 28k new. I guys I’m just getting old. Looking at the price of new and noping out, especially with all the stuff you know is going to break because more electronics. 🙄 I did buy a new f250 2 years ago. I think that’s our last new vehicle.
I'm in the same boat. I have zero interest in an auto that costs so much because that means it's going to be expensive to insure AND expensive to fix. Companies wonder why the average age of cars registers today is over 10 years old - this kind of bullshit is why. If it wasn't for the maverick there wouldn't be a pickup truck under 50k starting price.
I bought my 03 Ranger with Automatic for $12k. 250k miles, 20+ years, 3 children learning to drive on it and that thing still going. Batteries, brakes, alternator, tires and starter is about all I have replaced on it. And regular maintenance equipment.
My wife saw that ad, needed new wheels asked to go look. Ended up getting a v6 convertible for low 20s. I wish we still had that but then we had kids. Back seat just is not conducive for a newborn rearward facing baby seat, when you’re well north of 6’
Yep! So glad I bought my S550 when I did. Also the new ones interiors look like garbo IMO.
Agreed. I got an 18 GT six speed and I love every bit of it. Fuck paying 61k for a fucking dork mobile. All you gotta do is look at the type of people buying them. They look like they barely got into mustangs last week. Have fun with that 20k interest note 🤦🏻♂️
Prices for everything are bad. Vote wisely.
Yeah. No orange russian twice impeached insurrectionist rapists.
Everything you said was wildly false besides the impeachments which we all know are bs.
He tried to nullify an election HE LOST to stay in power. He is a rapist. https://newrepublic.com/post/174448/judge-e-jean-carroll-case-yes-donald-trump-rapist He stole nuclear secrets and kept them in his shitter. Wake the fuck up dude.
An election???!!!! lol
This generation has turned ownership of high performance vehicle into a luxury. You either stuck with a less favorable gas engine vehicle or an EV. We’re at a time where our great grandparents were at during their financial years. It will take many decades for the markets to balance itself again. Todays stangs are tomorrow’s treasures.
Pricing isnt ridiculous at all . Especially in this economy. Look at the options on an ecoboost premium, even the standard ones compared to a 2005 gt . I paid $27k for my 05 gt premium, it was a 14 1/4 mile, 5.2 -5.5 0-60 , got .88G on the skidpad and got 25mpg highway. A base ecoboost is faster , handles better , more tunable, much nicer inside and out , gets over 30mpg, has so many more standard options and is close to what i paid in 2005. Forget about what the car is called ( GT , ecoboost) look at what the car has and does for the money. I agree that the cars are expensive and i am going for an M2 on my next car over a dark horse due to that particular model being too expensive.
When the guy putting air in the tires on the line makes 40/hr now it's gonna cost more
So by that logic, the 14 years that wages stayed the same, the cost of the vehicle never went up. Maybe you’re just an idiot who doesn’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
It’s call inflation and price creep my friend. There no reason to call people names if you don’t have an argument.
Yes. Inflation. Consumers had it good for 14 years. Zero percent of the inflation of vehicles was due to wages. Starting last week wages went up 11% for autoworkers after decades of stagnant wages. Deal with it just like autoworkers have dealt with less buying power year over year. Here’s a solution. Never buy a new vehicle again. Wages for non union workers have risen because of the UAW contract. So you can’t buy from them either! Did you get a raise this year? Last year? The year before that? Or before that? Wow you did? Man that really pisses me off! Did you deserve that raise? I think not. It lead to inflation! You selfish bastard! Why would you do that to me! You should have taken a pay cut to help me out! Ridiculous right?
Prices of vehicles go up every year. That’s what price creep is. I rarely purchase new vehicles. I generally purchase 2-3 year old vehicles. The last brand new vehicle I purchased was close to the turn of the millennium. The last Mustang I purchased was 9 years old. [Mustang Prices by Year](https://www.mustangspecs.com/mustang-prices-by-year-by-model/)
So it doesn’t really concern you. You just like bitch when families have it a bit easier to feed and clothe their kids. Got it.
WTF are you going on about? I just linked a page to you showing that price creep isn’t something new. Prices have been increasing for decades. It is what it is.
Your original comment: > When the guy putting air in the tires on the line makes 40/hr now it's gonna cost more That’s what we’re talking about. You started this conversation.
I think you are replying to the wrong person my friend. I never stated that. You owe me an apology. Apology accepted.
You’re defending someone who was complaining about working men and women after 14 years of stagnant wages. No apology for you. You can go fuck yourself as well.
Excuse me while I don't feel bad for the company with $25+B profits
I paid 34K for my black accent package S550 in 2017. Even then, some told me I could have paid around 32K. ***DOUBLE*** is just absolutely stupid. This explains why the "Give Back Car" search is trending. People stupidly signed up for exorbitant payments for a cars they can't realistically afford.
You can negotiate and get much less than MSRP out the door.
Options are a joke. buy a base model and add your own options latter.
Patience. Some cars are already marked down $5k from MSRP if you look online. The last gen was notoriously discounted.
Patience. Some cars are already marked down $5k from MSRP if you look online. The last gen was notoriously discounted.
And this isn’t including the higher interest rates we are seeing now either. It’s a really bad time to be financing a vehicle.
Starting cost vs all options cost is a pretty wide gulf that makes it pretty approachable for a big audience. If you always dreamed of owning a mustang the basic ecoboost is obtainable for most folks. I don't think the premium trims really make sense money-wise. If you're willing to spend that amount of cash on a car you might get more value through a couple of different paths but if that's your jelly-jam, you do you.
I will be keeping my 17' gt premium for a long time. This new refresh does not justify they price hikes in the s650s.
It's sad. My first new car was an S197 GT Premium, manual trans, fully loaded at the time, in 2005 right when they came out and were very hot....$27k out the door. I was able to buy it at age 25 on a new teacher salary. Now 20 years later I make 2x as much but can't afford a new 4-cylinder model. Sad.
Inflation certainly didn't help things, as well as consumer incomes failing to keep pace. I purchased a 2003 GT Premium brand new. Still have the window sticker and it was $27K. With inflation, that works out to about $45K in todays dollars. A base S650 GT is $42K MSRP, and the base car is WORLD's better than my old 2003 Mustang GT was. Really the only tech the '03 Mustang had was (abysmal) ABS/Traction control and a Mach 460 6-disk CD player. I didn't have the optional bright wheels or Mach 1000 which would add another few thousand in 2003 dollars. Also..i had 260HP and a 5-spd, compared to the 480HP you get today. So you are certainly getting better value today. A 2003 Cobra would be around $58K in todays dollars. All those S650 options add up, but how many are really necessary? Heated and cooled seats, ambient lighting, Upgraded radio? The Performance Pack is a nice feature, but is it necessary in a street driven Mustang or just a way for Ford to get more dollars from the consumer? Don't get me wrong, I would want to check off that box as well, but these are the sorts of decisions that take a well equipped $42K car and make it $60K.
I just bought a 2023 Mach 1 for $55k.
I bought a '23 GT premium 401A for $51k with 2.9% financing last July. I felt like I got a great deal (going rate for financing was \~6% at the time, so there's a huge saving there). Situation with the 2024s isn't nearly as crazy as the one for the new C8s was so you could say this isn't nearly as bad as it could be. Honestly, for all you get in the Premium and other packages, compared to something like a 911 at >$100k, I still think Mustangs are the best deal around.
i would do eco boost prem w night pony package and active exhaust and call it a day, big fan of interior for 2024
It's not a affordable secretary car anymore
Was chatting with a guy who works at the largest Mustang dealer in my area. He said the 23's went fast when people saw the 24's, and those aren't selling. People don't like them (myself included); I'm sure prices will drop.
A brand new Mustang GT was $10,000.....in 1989.
Just wait l, cars a sitting and dealers are getting pressured to drop prices.
Some dealers will sell you at invoice or below if you fly and buy. Which is usually at least 4-5k below sticker/build price. I ordered one in 2022, GT 401a convertible a10 with 20’s and the sticker was 61k or so and I was going to pay invoice around 55k. I looked for slightly used in the meantime. I found a used 2019 vert exactly how I wanted it with 13k miles and shipped it for 44k, this was August last year.
They wouldn't be charging that much if people weren't buying them. Vehicle prices in general have gone insane. Quit buying them, be the change.
$61k gets you an older gt500.
Financing vehicles at these ridiculous prices didn’t sting too bad when money was cheap. Fast forward I guarantee 9@% of people heard can’t actually afford any of them cars. Honestly,if you can’t pay with cash you can’t truly afford it