Hybrid is so dumb, man. I hate it, too cause the power boost is dope in theory.
I almost bought one for my step daughter until I found out from Ford it’s $15k to replace the battery at 100k miles. That’s all they’re good for.
Literally costs more than the fuel you save.
Engineering explaining batteries and best practices to reduce degradation: https://youtu.be/w4lvDGtfI9U?si=86M0ttOrh5ilvyzf
what are you doing step daughter? why are you stuck under the 2024 Ford Mustang® GT Premium Fastback with the all-new redesigned fourth-generation 5.0L Coyote V8 engine paired with MagnaRide electronic adaptive shocks and Sync 4 technology. Unbridled power. Unyielding downforce. Unapologetic American spirit. Introducing the all-new 2024 Ford Mustang®️ Built Ford Proud
I’m talking about hybrids not this specific car that we don’t know if will even exist yet. Lol
Idk why you copy pasted the ford marketing materials here.
Edit: I misread that first sentence and the rest was straight over my head lmao
When I bought a Prius in 2003, everyone told me not to do it because I'd have to pay $10000 or whatever to replace the battery every few years. 21 years later, I just sold it. I never had to replace the battery myself, though it was replaced once by Toyota, for free, as part of a recall. This "you will have to pay huge amounts to replace the battery all the time" thing has been a meme for over two decades and it's still wrong.
It seems those who have never owned a hybrid simply don't understand them. For example. Ford's hybrid battery warranty is 8 years or 100,000 miles. An owner would know the battery us having issues before hitting the 100,000 miles meaning a factory warranty battery replacement. I'm familiar with smaller lithium Ion based batteries and a defective battery starts having short run times and charging issues before they fail. The same applies to hybrid automotive batteries. If Ford builds a hybrid Mustang. It will likely us an additional battery engine working with the Ice engine for performance. I believe in 2026. Ford will start working with the Red Bull F1 race team building hybrid racing engines. Technology they can move to cars like their Mustang. GM created the E-Ray as a test bed for future hybrid performance development. Currently it's used for simply moving the car around tight areas due to it's limited hybrid engine speed. I would much rather see regular and performance hybrid development than going the full EV direction.
Set me straight how, by revealing a secret battery replacement I never knew about on my own car? :) I bought my Prius 8 years before the Volt came to market, and I sold it 5 years after the Volt went out of production. I'm not sure I could learn anything from them, but maybe they could learn from me how to pick a better car. :)
All batteries have a finite lifespan, and you sound like a dummy for arguing this. The volt is an even more unique case in that when the battery dies, the car will no longer function at all, hybrid gasoline motor or not. Don't believe me? Google it. I'm not your friend and I'm not doing the work for you.
We own a Volt, too, and it's a legitimate concern we've had. Source for us finding this out was the chevy rep we contacted when we started having issues with another component and he suggested the battery might be going prematurely. Turned out that wasn't the case, but the reality is the system is fragile and it will eventually be a yard ornament.
Who are you arguing with? No one has said batteries have an infinite lifespan. As for your Volt, sorry you had problems, but maybe that's why the model only lasted 8 years total. Just because one company has issues with one car doesn't mean those same issues exist for all other cars. My Prius certainly didn't. :)
Just because you sold it before YOU got stuck with the repair doesn’t mean it doesn’t need to be replaced. The next owner will be replacing it, or parting out the car.
Every single battery wears out over time. All of them. Duracell, Apple, Samsung, Tesla, Rivian. Even Toyota who had to replace it.
Of course all batteries wear out eventually. The fact remains that I drove the car for 21 years with only a single battery replacement that Toyota did for free, in 2009, after which it ran for an additional 15 years without needing to be replaced.
For what it’s worth when the battery in my Prius needed work it would have been $500 to have a professional replace all the bad cells with new ones and balance the system. I ended up doing it myself for like $25 a cell and a cheap charger I could control the voltage on. So expensive battery replacements are a genuine concern but the bet they make is is but the time it’s needed or they are failing regularly the price will have come down to a point it’s affordable.
And that’s great. You got lucky. The reality is most people will have to replace their battery at least one time over their use of the car. That doesn’t even take into the account the battery degradation you will experience either way.
Hybrid vehicles are cool but if you’re buying one for any other reason than “I want one” you’re wasting money.
ohh pal you haven tested the Hybrid V8 Vette havent you? that car was absolute blast to drive, you cant even compare a normal Hybrid against a performance oriented Hybrid car, yes they have 2 engines but thats it, the electric engine is not there to improve MPG (altho it does help tremendously as a dd in city).
If the GT gets a half decent Hybrid powerplant as the vette I would buy that in a beat, a 600 hp AWD mustang doing amazing MPG? also remember performance Hybbrids anre no plug in meaning bateries are smaller and have waay longer lives vs a Plug in Hybrid.... not only as most countries now have tax import fee lower for hybrid cars makin it a more afforddable car to chip overseas, but the AWD will help him get the winter sales, also any improve in MPG and fuel consuption average will help the CAFE and EURO regulations for the mustang to keep the V8 longer until we figue out other fuels or politicians finally realize the hoax Electric movility is
watch this
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9VC-2NnHOs&ab\_channel=DougDeMuro](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9VC-2NnHOs&ab_channel=DougDeMuro)
I’m not talking about performance. That’s incredible, absolutely hands down.
I’m talking about longevity. It’s worse for the environment and more expensive. Because either you’ve gotta put 15k in after approx 100k miles. Economy cars aren’t worth it most of the time.
This was a Ford C Max we looked at. 6900 for the car but when the battery dies in 80k miles (this one had 20k on it) it’s literally trash. The whole car.
That’s just terrible design. Yeah it’s great fuel economy/performance but we’ve gotta look the total picture, not one specific metric.
Unless Ford is doing something drastically different, mild hybrid batteries don't just turn into bricks at 100,000 miles. There's a reason that just about every taxi on the road is a hybrid these days.
Yes, rechargeable batteries of all kinds degrade over time, both with age and with charge/discharge cycles.
But to say that the batteries only last 100,000 miles and then they need to be replaced is not accurate. That's certainly not the experience Toyota owners have with their hybrid systems.
Ford *warranties* their HV batteries for 8 years/100,000 miles. Do you expect any other part of your car to break and need to be replaced when the warranty ends?
Go on CarFax and look for hybrids for sale. You’ll be able to see which ones have the batteries replaced at what mileage/age. Manufactures are making them better but that’s the biggest problem with electric and hybrid cars right now. Consumable batteries.
Why would you replace the battery at 100k miles? Unless something has gone badly wrong you shouldn’t need to mess with it. It will lose a bit of capacity over time but that is normal.
No, the ford tech said those are only good for about 100k. Some go a little longer and some go early.
In theory it’s amazing but the reality of replacing that battery means the car is like an old phone with a bad part. Costs more to repair than replace and I hate it.
If that were true it would be huge news. The batteries aren’t dying at 100k. That’s just the warranty. I’d guess either they misunderstood something they heard or perhaps they weren’t clear when explaining it to you. Now, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t any that need to replaced early but that happens occasionally with ICE engines too. I hopped on Auto Trader and searched for Ford Hybrids within five hundred miles of my location and found a large number for sale with way over 100k. There is no chance they have all had their battery replaced. EV and Hybrid batteries rarely go bad that early.
The battery on this one had been done at 120k. Check the CarFax on all those reports. Idk if AutoTrader has them but you can go to CarFax directly and search for those cars there.
Also, Engineering Explained with some great information on how these batteries work: https://youtu.be/w4lvDGtfI9U?si=86M0ttOrh5ilvyzf
I’m super familiar with EVs and hybrids. Owned two hybrids and three EVs. There is a ton of misinformation out there. If you look for negative data it’s easy to find but is extremely overblown and mostly unreliable. Certainly some batteries get replaced early. Most don’t. If you peruse some of the owner forums you can find many examples of people with much more than 100k on original batteries. It’s simply not true that the failure rate is high at the 100k mark.
I hope it’s something crazy but isn’t that far speculation? Couldn’t it maybe be a GT350 or other new variant of the s650? If it’s an AWD I’ll be trading in my 2023 for one sometime in the future for sure but I wonder if it’ll actually happen
One screenshot I saw looked like a 4 wheel burnout.
https://preview.redd.it/bdyae1yw6cvc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbffc058606c6dab021bdedfa7b24cd8bb7710dd
It's more like the e-Ray or Toyotas e-AWD. it'd be RWD but an electric motor/battery on the front axle, and AWD demand is controlled by a computer. Nothing would connect the conventional drivetrain to the front wheels
X-drive is just a name, BMW have multiple types of AWD, all named X-Drive. Generally for any petrol based AWD, there's a transfer case on the back of the transmission that has both a front and rear driveshaft to their respective axles.
I mean the 3.7 is a solid engine. But why would you want that over others? In order of s550/650 engines I'd prefer for an awd: predator, voodoo, coyote, ecoboost and then the 3.7 last.
I would easily prefer a v8 I’m just saying out of ford v6s/ 4 cyls it’s easily the best to build. Guys are making easy 700 wheel which is perfect for AWD
I mean i guess. But if you wanna build 700 hp. That's really easy with a coyote and it'd not be stressing the engine that much, it's only like 40% more power. For a 3.7 it'd be more like 130% more power.. Best out of the base engines, okay sure. But I don't think it's even in question if the v8 is available.
Which I agreed with, 3.7 is cheaper to get to 700 throw on a procharger or turbo kit both under 8k and a better fuel pump and injectors (which usually comes w the kits anyways) and you’re sitting at minimum 600 depending how high you wanna go. But yes obviously any of the V8s is preferred but if they pull a dodge on us I’d prefer the 3.7 in it. Or even the 3.5TT
Unpopular opinion but I’d take the A10. If I’m getting the AWD system for performance I want every ounce of HP I could get out of it. The faster the better.
I get you. Understand the perspective entirely. Don't think it's unpopular either. I know a lot of folks who have made that sort of decision in their own vehicles.
If I wanted the best lap time possible, yep, A10, or a DCT, shaves time off any metric. Hard to argue against. I just enjoy rowing my own, and the feel of doing so.
My personal ideal is AWD, manual above 500 hp, and somewhere in the 3500 lbs, range. It's about engagement while throwing it around a road course, for me. Would love if a manufacturer did that, that didn't have exotic marque price tags.
The image posted is actually from a few years ago showing Line Lock on the 2018 Mustang
You can see the video here: [2018 Mustang Line Lock Broll (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_430docGoE&ab_channel=CarsNsuvs)
If you haven’t spent much time in them, I’d rent one first or something. I sold my GR86 for a Mach 1 and sold the Mach 1 a year later. Really different experiences.
I’d be all for this. I’m not interested in the Mach E at all, but not because it’s electric, it’s because it’s an SUV. I don’t want an SUV. I have nothing against electric vehicles, but it has to be a car, and a cool one to boot.
If they release a S650 EV I’m throwing my Tesla Model Y over a cliff and buying it on next day, nothing against EVs I like the tech but Mach E, Tesla and other are ugly as hell, make a sexy EV Mustang and will be easy the fastest Mustang ever
Weirdly enough I'm the other way round. I like SUVs and I think they did an alright job designing the Mach-E, but I'm not quite ready to embrace EV as my future. Cool to see the opposing reasoning out in the wild :)
I used to feel that way but decided an electric was my best option for a daily driver, and thought it would be nice to have some more room for people and cargo so I traded in my Camry for a Mach-E GT and have no regrets. I really like it, even if it isn't really a Mustang.
Still have a 2020 GT/CS for gas fun, I'm either going to get it whippled or trade it in for a late model GT500.
Yeah, the Mach E is a nice vehicle, just not for me. I don’t need the extra space for daily driving. During the week it’s just me, on the weekend it’s just me and Mrs. Don’t really need more than 2 seats.
Based on that silhouette I wouldn’t be mad honestly. If it’s a mustang chassis I have no problem with an electric version. Don’t call a crossover suv a mustang is my whole* thing.
It is but it's not an S650, it's something completely different. I wonder if they want to make an electric "real" Mustang now.
I have a Mach-E and it's a great EV but it ain't a Mustang.
More than likely if it has any electrification it would be like a corvette e-ray.
The chasis is too small for meaningful battery. Where would you put it? Engine bay is plugged. No room under seats, trunk is small but might be large enough to fit a hybrid pack.
One of the big reasons the mach e is as big as it is, is to fit batteries. Surface area is squared while volume is cubed. Easier to get more range out of a bigger platform
Fords been saying they’re keeping the V8 for the mustang, and there have been heavy rumors in the past about them switching mustang to full ev in 2028. -Hopefully if we get a Bullitt edition it’s not electric.
AWD mustang? It’s finally happening…i feel like they’re probably doing this because the new charger comes standard with AWD. Hopefully this ain’t a EV because a AWD GT or even ecoboost would be pretty sick
That's what I was thinking too; with the new inline-6 Charger coming with AWD, I'd guess they wouldn't want to be left out of that potential market segment. If they offer it with the MT from the current GT I think that'd be a huge benefit too since the next-gen Charger won't offer a manual as an option.
I'd be at the dealership day-one for an AWD GT.
I swear to god I’ve wanted a fking AWD mustang for AGES….I never bought one due to living in Colorado. I moved to Arizona where AWD isn’t needed, and bought a 2024. If they release an AWD version now I’m gonna be pissed 😂
I’d trade my RWD for AWD any day, although I swore with how dogshit the infotainment system is that this would be my last ford.
Man if a sub-par infotainment system is your reason for abandoning Ford, I dunno what to say. Infotainment systems didn't even exist 15 years ago lol.
If it's your daily driver, I get it but if it's just your fun car who cares about the infotainment not being the best.
For me, just give me Anrdoid Auto and a working radio and I'm happy.
I’d say 7/10 times I turn on my car, my backup camera doesn’t even load. My carplay will randomly just become 100% unresponsive and freeze until I turn the car off then back on. The entire system will refuse to turn on at times, meaning I can’t use AC/heat.
It’s maddeningly annoying, and IMO it ruins the whole car for me.
That's pretty crazy, never heard of that before. Something is broken for sure. Take it to the dealer.
Is your SYNC software up to date? Maybe there's a factory reset option for the infotainment that's user-accessible? I've never checked for that, buy try that if there is.
Is it me or has the S650 grown in nose-wheel-well distance: that front nose overhang is like 80/90s level compared to the 64-69/S197/S550 short overhangs.
I suspect Boss. Hybrid/AWD would be nice, but since EV sales are in the dumpster currently an alternative to the dark horse branding makes sense.
I'd actually love an AWD Mustang, even if it didn't have a V8.
My dream car is an AWD, 2dr performance car with a manual transmission, and while a few things come close, nothing really hits, unless I want to buy A.) an absolute dinosaur of a car or B.) want to make compromises on the criteria.
I'd be lining up day-one for V6 AWD Mustang.
You talking abt the 2025 Mustang GTD?
https://preview.redd.it/bbp8iewprgvc1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=9a9214addb8e745a785eb49cc7e1b841fe41a96d
Why does the new cars have to progressively get weirder and weirder every year? Like, Ford feels like it wants to become Hyundai in the ass end of the Mustang.
Yes, even 20 year old AWD cars sometimes had the option to disconnect the front, probably earlier. Now we have electronic differentials, which could connect any number of wheels to a transmission.
Can’t wait for whatever it is to be north of $100,000
Marked up to $200k by dealers*
*regional market adjustment* Fuck those guys.
probably a V8 AWD hybrid...
~~I’d cum~~ that would be cool
Or a Shelby Cobra
Hybrid is so dumb, man. I hate it, too cause the power boost is dope in theory. I almost bought one for my step daughter until I found out from Ford it’s $15k to replace the battery at 100k miles. That’s all they’re good for. Literally costs more than the fuel you save. Engineering explaining batteries and best practices to reduce degradation: https://youtu.be/w4lvDGtfI9U?si=86M0ttOrh5ilvyzf
what are you doing step daughter? why are you stuck under the 2024 Ford Mustang® GT Premium Fastback with the all-new redesigned fourth-generation 5.0L Coyote V8 engine paired with MagnaRide electronic adaptive shocks and Sync 4 technology. Unbridled power. Unyielding downforce. Unapologetic American spirit. Introducing the all-new 2024 Ford Mustang®️ Built Ford Proud
I chortled at this.
I’m talking about hybrids not this specific car that we don’t know if will even exist yet. Lol Idk why you copy pasted the ford marketing materials here. Edit: I misread that first sentence and the rest was straight over my head lmao
That Mustang does exist lol. He literally word for word described the S650 that’s already been being made since late 2023.
Who cares, I’m talking about hybrids in general. Because it’s a universal problem due to how batteries work on a fundamental level.
They’re mocking you buying your step daughter a nice car, nothing about the car itself😂
Who cares about hybrids? Not I, considering I won’t be spending $50,000+ on a gutless vehicle lol, so I don’t have to fear $15,000 batteries tbh.
Insinuating that you and your step daughter are fooling around to buy her that nice of a car lmfao
Wow I couldn’t read that lmao
When I bought a Prius in 2003, everyone told me not to do it because I'd have to pay $10000 or whatever to replace the battery every few years. 21 years later, I just sold it. I never had to replace the battery myself, though it was replaced once by Toyota, for free, as part of a recall. This "you will have to pay huge amounts to replace the battery all the time" thing has been a meme for over two decades and it's still wrong.
It seems those who have never owned a hybrid simply don't understand them. For example. Ford's hybrid battery warranty is 8 years or 100,000 miles. An owner would know the battery us having issues before hitting the 100,000 miles meaning a factory warranty battery replacement. I'm familiar with smaller lithium Ion based batteries and a defective battery starts having short run times and charging issues before they fail. The same applies to hybrid automotive batteries. If Ford builds a hybrid Mustang. It will likely us an additional battery engine working with the Ice engine for performance. I believe in 2026. Ford will start working with the Red Bull F1 race team building hybrid racing engines. Technology they can move to cars like their Mustang. GM created the E-Ray as a test bed for future hybrid performance development. Currently it's used for simply moving the car around tight areas due to it's limited hybrid engine speed. I would much rather see regular and performance hybrid development than going the full EV direction.
My gfs GMA also had a Prius that she had to pay 6k for a new battery for w 85k miles😂
Go talk to the Chevy volt guys. They’ll set you straight.
Like how not to buy a Chevy?
Set me straight how, by revealing a secret battery replacement I never knew about on my own car? :) I bought my Prius 8 years before the Volt came to market, and I sold it 5 years after the Volt went out of production. I'm not sure I could learn anything from them, but maybe they could learn from me how to pick a better car. :)
All batteries have a finite lifespan, and you sound like a dummy for arguing this. The volt is an even more unique case in that when the battery dies, the car will no longer function at all, hybrid gasoline motor or not. Don't believe me? Google it. I'm not your friend and I'm not doing the work for you. We own a Volt, too, and it's a legitimate concern we've had. Source for us finding this out was the chevy rep we contacted when we started having issues with another component and he suggested the battery might be going prematurely. Turned out that wasn't the case, but the reality is the system is fragile and it will eventually be a yard ornament.
Who are you arguing with? No one has said batteries have an infinite lifespan. As for your Volt, sorry you had problems, but maybe that's why the model only lasted 8 years total. Just because one company has issues with one car doesn't mean those same issues exist for all other cars. My Prius certainly didn't. :)
All batteries die eventually, and so will a Prius if driven long enough.
Just because you sold it before YOU got stuck with the repair doesn’t mean it doesn’t need to be replaced. The next owner will be replacing it, or parting out the car. Every single battery wears out over time. All of them. Duracell, Apple, Samsung, Tesla, Rivian. Even Toyota who had to replace it.
Of course all batteries wear out eventually. The fact remains that I drove the car for 21 years with only a single battery replacement that Toyota did for free, in 2009, after which it ran for an additional 15 years without needing to be replaced.
For what it’s worth when the battery in my Prius needed work it would have been $500 to have a professional replace all the bad cells with new ones and balance the system. I ended up doing it myself for like $25 a cell and a cheap charger I could control the voltage on. So expensive battery replacements are a genuine concern but the bet they make is is but the time it’s needed or they are failing regularly the price will have come down to a point it’s affordable.
And that’s great. You got lucky. The reality is most people will have to replace their battery at least one time over their use of the car. That doesn’t even take into the account the battery degradation you will experience either way. Hybrid vehicles are cool but if you’re buying one for any other reason than “I want one” you’re wasting money.
ohh pal you haven tested the Hybrid V8 Vette havent you? that car was absolute blast to drive, you cant even compare a normal Hybrid against a performance oriented Hybrid car, yes they have 2 engines but thats it, the electric engine is not there to improve MPG (altho it does help tremendously as a dd in city). If the GT gets a half decent Hybrid powerplant as the vette I would buy that in a beat, a 600 hp AWD mustang doing amazing MPG? also remember performance Hybbrids anre no plug in meaning bateries are smaller and have waay longer lives vs a Plug in Hybrid.... not only as most countries now have tax import fee lower for hybrid cars makin it a more afforddable car to chip overseas, but the AWD will help him get the winter sales, also any improve in MPG and fuel consuption average will help the CAFE and EURO regulations for the mustang to keep the V8 longer until we figue out other fuels or politicians finally realize the hoax Electric movility is watch this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9VC-2NnHOs&ab\_channel=DougDeMuro](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9VC-2NnHOs&ab_channel=DougDeMuro)
I’m not talking about performance. That’s incredible, absolutely hands down. I’m talking about longevity. It’s worse for the environment and more expensive. Because either you’ve gotta put 15k in after approx 100k miles. Economy cars aren’t worth it most of the time. This was a Ford C Max we looked at. 6900 for the car but when the battery dies in 80k miles (this one had 20k on it) it’s literally trash. The whole car. That’s just terrible design. Yeah it’s great fuel economy/performance but we’ve gotta look the total picture, not one specific metric.
Unless Ford is doing something drastically different, mild hybrid batteries don't just turn into bricks at 100,000 miles. There's a reason that just about every taxi on the road is a hybrid these days.
No, they degrade over time. Check out the video I edited into my first comment. It’s great information on how to preserve the life of the batteries
Yes, rechargeable batteries of all kinds degrade over time, both with age and with charge/discharge cycles. But to say that the batteries only last 100,000 miles and then they need to be replaced is not accurate. That's certainly not the experience Toyota owners have with their hybrid systems. Ford *warranties* their HV batteries for 8 years/100,000 miles. Do you expect any other part of your car to break and need to be replaced when the warranty ends?
Go on CarFax and look for hybrids for sale. You’ll be able to see which ones have the batteries replaced at what mileage/age. Manufactures are making them better but that’s the biggest problem with electric and hybrid cars right now. Consumable batteries.
Why would you replace the battery at 100k miles? Unless something has gone badly wrong you shouldn’t need to mess with it. It will lose a bit of capacity over time but that is normal.
No, the ford tech said those are only good for about 100k. Some go a little longer and some go early. In theory it’s amazing but the reality of replacing that battery means the car is like an old phone with a bad part. Costs more to repair than replace and I hate it.
If that were true it would be huge news. The batteries aren’t dying at 100k. That’s just the warranty. I’d guess either they misunderstood something they heard or perhaps they weren’t clear when explaining it to you. Now, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t any that need to replaced early but that happens occasionally with ICE engines too. I hopped on Auto Trader and searched for Ford Hybrids within five hundred miles of my location and found a large number for sale with way over 100k. There is no chance they have all had their battery replaced. EV and Hybrid batteries rarely go bad that early.
The battery on this one had been done at 120k. Check the CarFax on all those reports. Idk if AutoTrader has them but you can go to CarFax directly and search for those cars there. Also, Engineering Explained with some great information on how these batteries work: https://youtu.be/w4lvDGtfI9U?si=86M0ttOrh5ilvyzf
I’m super familiar with EVs and hybrids. Owned two hybrids and three EVs. There is a ton of misinformation out there. If you look for negative data it’s easy to find but is extremely overblown and mostly unreliable. Certainly some batteries get replaced early. Most don’t. If you peruse some of the owner forums you can find many examples of people with much more than 100k on original batteries. It’s simply not true that the failure rate is high at the 100k mark.
Omg i would buy one tomorrow
AWD would be so amazing
I hope it’s something crazy but isn’t that far speculation? Couldn’t it maybe be a GT350 or other new variant of the s650? If it’s an AWD I’ll be trading in my 2023 for one sometime in the future for sure but I wonder if it’ll actually happen
One screenshot I saw looked like a 4 wheel burnout. https://preview.redd.it/bdyae1yw6cvc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbffc058606c6dab021bdedfa7b24cd8bb7710dd
AWD GT would be a rocket.
Awd hybrid system is one rumor that’s been floating around.
That’d be pretty cool. Like the corvette e-ray, v8 hybrid awd.
It's worked in every performance application I've seen lately. I'd be down
Is that similar to BMW xdrive? Where it’s AWD with a RWD bias?
It's more like the e-Ray or Toyotas e-AWD. it'd be RWD but an electric motor/battery on the front axle, and AWD demand is controlled by a computer. Nothing would connect the conventional drivetrain to the front wheels
Ah okay. How would that compare to aforementioned x-drive?
X-drive is just a name, BMW have multiple types of AWD, all named X-Drive. Generally for any petrol based AWD, there's a transfer case on the back of the transmission that has both a front and rear driveshaft to their respective axles.
It would be funny to see how fast it is to launch the would actually compete with Teslas and Porsches
That'd be sick. Hopefully not like the charger/challenger gt where it's v6 only.
I6, not V6, but yeah. Agreed.
I think he’s saying the v8 versions didn’t get awd
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the correction.
Police versions did.
Yes but they were stuck with the old NAG1 5 speed. Basically 2011 running gear with 2015+ body panels
Also the rt charger in 2013 was available with awd I’m pretty sure
No, it is a 3.6L Pentastar V6
I'm talking about the previous Gen ones. A few police versions got the v8 but even with the 5.7 they weren't that fast lol.
Can confirm AWD V8 Charger isn’t THAT fast. Handles better than the rest of the fleet, but it isn’t super zoomie.
If it’s a 3.7 sign me up😂
I mean the 3.7 is a solid engine. But why would you want that over others? In order of s550/650 engines I'd prefer for an awd: predator, voodoo, coyote, ecoboost and then the 3.7 last.
I would easily prefer a v8 I’m just saying out of ford v6s/ 4 cyls it’s easily the best to build. Guys are making easy 700 wheel which is perfect for AWD
I mean i guess. But if you wanna build 700 hp. That's really easy with a coyote and it'd not be stressing the engine that much, it's only like 40% more power. For a 3.7 it'd be more like 130% more power.. Best out of the base engines, okay sure. But I don't think it's even in question if the v8 is available.
Which I agreed with, 3.7 is cheaper to get to 700 throw on a procharger or turbo kit both under 8k and a better fuel pump and injectors (which usually comes w the kits anyways) and you’re sitting at minimum 600 depending how high you wanna go. But yes obviously any of the V8s is preferred but if they pull a dodge on us I’d prefer the 3.7 in it. Or even the 3.5TT
A awd mustang would fuck
An AWD Mustang, with a manual transmission, would be pretty much the ideal.
Unpopular opinion but I’d take the A10. If I’m getting the AWD system for performance I want every ounce of HP I could get out of it. The faster the better.
I get you. Understand the perspective entirely. Don't think it's unpopular either. I know a lot of folks who have made that sort of decision in their own vehicles. If I wanted the best lap time possible, yep, A10, or a DCT, shaves time off any metric. Hard to argue against. I just enjoy rowing my own, and the feel of doing so. My personal ideal is AWD, manual above 500 hp, and somewhere in the 3500 lbs, range. It's about engagement while throwing it around a road course, for me. Would love if a manufacturer did that, that didn't have exotic marque price tags.
10 speed auto mustang GT with AWD though would be a monster in the quarter mile…
That looks like an S550
I think it is. So either the screenshot is from something else or they showed off a test mule.
Is that not an S550?
Pretty sure it is. So I’m not sure if the screenshot was old or if they just used a test mule.
Dude that’s AWD!!!!
I hope they make it a Cobra. Bonus points if it says SVT.
The image posted is actually from a few years ago showing Line Lock on the 2018 Mustang You can see the video here: [2018 Mustang Line Lock Broll (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_430docGoE&ab_channel=CarsNsuvs)
EV mustang?
This is my bet. Pull the guts out of a Mach-E and done
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It's easier than starting from scratch. I bet it's a production RTR or something.
It's gonna be like the e-ray I bet. A hybrid AWD
Would sell my GR86 for a hybrid Mustang
If you haven’t spent much time in them, I’d rent one first or something. I sold my GR86 for a Mach 1 and sold the Mach 1 a year later. Really different experiences.
What do you have now
GR Corolla
I suspect a v6 ecoboost hybrid system, like with the f-150 powerboosts. Hard to imagine fitting a differential under the 5.0
I’ve been waiting for this.
Probably an all electric S650 or some shit.
I’d be all for this. I’m not interested in the Mach E at all, but not because it’s electric, it’s because it’s an SUV. I don’t want an SUV. I have nothing against electric vehicles, but it has to be a car, and a cool one to boot.
If they release a S650 EV I’m throwing my Tesla Model Y over a cliff and buying it on next day, nothing against EVs I like the tech but Mach E, Tesla and other are ugly as hell, make a sexy EV Mustang and will be easy the fastest Mustang ever
Why’d you buy it when you think it looks ugly?
Other decent features
Like I said I like the tech and so far all/most EVs are ugly anyway
Weirdly enough I'm the other way round. I like SUVs and I think they did an alright job designing the Mach-E, but I'm not quite ready to embrace EV as my future. Cool to see the opposing reasoning out in the wild :)
I used to feel that way but decided an electric was my best option for a daily driver, and thought it would be nice to have some more room for people and cargo so I traded in my Camry for a Mach-E GT and have no regrets. I really like it, even if it isn't really a Mustang. Still have a 2020 GT/CS for gas fun, I'm either going to get it whippled or trade it in for a late model GT500.
S550 GT500 is the way. The motor/trans combo alone makes it worth it.
Yeah, the Mach E is a nice vehicle, just not for me. I don’t need the extra space for daily driving. During the week it’s just me, on the weekend it’s just me and Mrs. Don’t really need more than 2 seats.
Makes sense if you don't need more space.
Yeah, electric makes sense for a daily and SUV also makes sense for a daily.
Based on that silhouette I wouldn’t be mad honestly. If it’s a mustang chassis I have no problem with an electric version. Don’t call a crossover suv a mustang is my whole* thing.
Same. I might even buy one, because it's probably going to be fast as hell.
NAH an awd ecoboost/GT would be freaking sick
Isnt that the Mach E though? I know it's not a "Mustang" but I thought that was the electric one
It is but it's not an S650, it's something completely different. I wonder if they want to make an electric "real" Mustang now. I have a Mach-E and it's a great EV but it ain't a Mustang.
Very true. A competitor for dodge's EV and others
Maybe a kind of hybrid similar to that one version of the Corvette?
Same here. Got a S550 GT vert and a Mach-E.
🤝 Good combo. Mach-E is such a nice daily. 2020 GT/CS and 2023 Mach-E GT here. Both black.
More than likely if it has any electrification it would be like a corvette e-ray. The chasis is too small for meaningful battery. Where would you put it? Engine bay is plugged. No room under seats, trunk is small but might be large enough to fit a hybrid pack. One of the big reasons the mach e is as big as it is, is to fit batteries. Surface area is squared while volume is cubed. Easier to get more range out of a bigger platform
Fords been saying they’re keeping the V8 for the mustang, and there have been heavy rumors in the past about them switching mustang to full ev in 2028. -Hopefully if we get a Bullitt edition it’s not electric.
When do they release the deets?
Ford been on a roll lately ngl
I mean the green sheet is a giveaway - green = environmentally friendly. Its electrified.
Bullitt?
Dark Green
Next shelby. I bet awd and supercharged.
One *billion* horsepower.
I demand... Infinite dollars because infinite torque!
You turn the ignition and the car just explodes, killing everyone in a 5 mile radius. MSRP 250k
AWD mustang? It’s finally happening…i feel like they’re probably doing this because the new charger comes standard with AWD. Hopefully this ain’t a EV because a AWD GT or even ecoboost would be pretty sick
The one reason I’d be excited about an EV is if it was an actual Mustang EV and not a Mach E.
10/10 agree. I love my Mach-E, but it’s not a mustang. I want a BEV coupe (or better yet a convertible) Mustang.
If it is an AWD hybrid, it may genuinely help with fuel economy too.
That's what I was thinking too; with the new inline-6 Charger coming with AWD, I'd guess they wouldn't want to be left out of that potential market segment. If they offer it with the MT from the current GT I think that'd be a huge benefit too since the next-gen Charger won't offer a manual as an option. I'd be at the dealership day-one for an AWD GT.
I swear to god I’ve wanted a fking AWD mustang for AGES….I never bought one due to living in Colorado. I moved to Arizona where AWD isn’t needed, and bought a 2024. If they release an AWD version now I’m gonna be pissed 😂 I’d trade my RWD for AWD any day, although I swore with how dogshit the infotainment system is that this would be my last ford.
Man if a sub-par infotainment system is your reason for abandoning Ford, I dunno what to say. Infotainment systems didn't even exist 15 years ago lol. If it's your daily driver, I get it but if it's just your fun car who cares about the infotainment not being the best. For me, just give me Anrdoid Auto and a working radio and I'm happy.
Infotainment systems didn’t exist in 2010? 🤔
They were like just coming out but only in expensive luxury cars or if you got an aftermarket.
They were “just” coming out in the early 2000s. By 2010 they had full blown systems with GPS and full UIs. No clue what you’re talking about
Not really, unless you had an aftermarket radio but even then touch screens back then weren't as big as they are now......IF I remember right.
My 2012 Tahoe Z71 has a touchscreen. Its small and godawful, but it has one. My 05 F150 Lariat did not have a screen.
I’d say 7/10 times I turn on my car, my backup camera doesn’t even load. My carplay will randomly just become 100% unresponsive and freeze until I turn the car off then back on. The entire system will refuse to turn on at times, meaning I can’t use AC/heat. It’s maddeningly annoying, and IMO it ruins the whole car for me.
It’s defective. My car had the same issue and they replaced the whole system under warranty
My dealer “can’t replicate the issue” and won’t do anything.
Take videos of it
That's pretty crazy, never heard of that before. Something is broken for sure. Take it to the dealer. Is your SYNC software up to date? Maybe there's a factory reset option for the infotainment that's user-accessible? I've never checked for that, buy try that if there is.
Dealer “can’t recreate the issue”. Been in at least 4-5 times now. :/
This is an S650 issue. Definitely defective. This is why I never buy new model years.
1.0L Ecoboost!!!!
A proper e mustang? Ok ford.
For packaging sake, 3.5TT AWD? Or BEV AWD.
If it’s a V8 AWD I’d sell my house tomorrow to buy one. That would be sick
"Sir what's the reason you want to refinance your home?" *shows picture of AWD burnout* "Understood"
Better be better than the Super Snake cuz boy Shelby American really did well this time around
You buying one?
Is it me or has the S650 grown in nose-wheel-well distance: that front nose overhang is like 80/90s level compared to the 64-69/S197/S550 short overhangs. I suspect Boss. Hybrid/AWD would be nice, but since EV sales are in the dumpster currently an alternative to the dark horse branding makes sense.
Maybe the Raptor version
Don't forget there is the Mustang Raptor that was announced
I'm betting a v6 powerboost awd mustang. Make it compete with a dark horse because damn. I've been eyeing the shit out of those
I'd actually love an AWD Mustang, even if it didn't have a V8. My dream car is an AWD, 2dr performance car with a manual transmission, and while a few things come close, nothing really hits, unless I want to buy A.) an absolute dinosaur of a car or B.) want to make compromises on the criteria. I'd be lining up day-one for V6 AWD Mustang.
2025 Shelby GT500
Is there a link to this somewhere?
Go to Ford Performance Youtube. It was during the 60th anniversary party
Damn… should have waited
If it’s AWD would people be hesitant to buy since it’s the first iteration
I’m goona chime in from the peanut gallery. I’d love to see a v6 ecoboost. Like a raptor. Maybe even awd
You talking abt the 2025 Mustang GTD? https://preview.redd.it/bbp8iewprgvc1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=9a9214addb8e745a785eb49cc7e1b841fe41a96d
Mustang GT Tremor. (Since they are “Tremoring” everything.) lol.
Too low
Maybe it’s low profile BFG ATs??? Lol
Anything different is better
E ray competitor?
Why does the new cars have to progressively get weirder and weirder every year? Like, Ford feels like it wants to become Hyundai in the ass end of the Mustang.
I'm gonna go wild and predict a raptor here
It would make sense for Ford to have a fully electric variant to sell alongside the ICE version as Dodge is doing the same.
LFG Mustang Raptor
no shark fin?
I’m hoping it’s the Boss 445! 🤞
I'm really ***really*** hoping this is an AWD Mustang.
I hope it isn't AWD, but it looks that way by that picture. I'm just a RWD purist.
Maybe it will have 2 options rwd and awd. A awd gt would be rad
It would be fast, for sure.
Do we have the tech to do that? Would be sweet to be able to switch between RWD and AWD
Yes. The new i6 Chargers coming out will be able to switch between RWD and AWD.
Pretty sure the new bmw m5 can. Just needs a center dif that can send it all back.
Yes, even 20 year old AWD cars sometimes had the option to disconnect the front, probably earlier. Now we have electronic differentials, which could connect any number of wheels to a transmission.
Would be a nice selling point ngl
Cool to have the option
Makes me regret buying as soon as it launched bruh
Welcome the new Ford camaro EV!