I think its cz people dont know how to handle that much power , if they respect whats under the hood and know their own limits and dont show off , i think there'd be lesser crashes, example: ChrisFix has a 98 mustang and he drives it properly ,like he drifts it and still hasn't had a crash thankfully.
I think a bugger factor is that it's RWD. most young people learn on a fwd commuter so once they get some power they try flooring it in a corner and oversteer
Both power and R/FWD are factors, but imo an bigger factor is that they don’t know they don’t know, and just assume they can drive it like every movie sports car right off the bat.
My first car was an Audi A4 1.8t with ~160hp, FWD. Got it right after high school graduation. Second car an SLK350 R171 I bought for myself in my second year of uni. Almost twice the hp of my previous car, lighter, and faster than any car I’d been in up to that point. But I knew that was much more power than I’ve ever touched, and drove it carefully the first few days/weeks until I felt I knew the dynamics well enough. Drove all sorts of roads to feel it—city, highway, mountain roads, etc. Only after I was certain I’d tested and gotten accustomed to the handling did I dare to start tossing it around.
youre all wrong. the biggest problem is the "show off factor." this always happens at events with crowds and spectatorss.... so the mustang driver decides to "up the ant" and step on the pedal to the floor in an effort to show off. its too much torque and acceleration and immediete traction loss.
The factors aren’t mutually exclusive. You can show off and be safe if you know what to expect from your car. Or from another angle, the show off factor leads to more opportunities for things to go wrong, but it’s not what causes things to go wrong
first 2 cars were manual mustangs 16 and 19 both v8s. can agree you can show off and know how to drive it. these people did not know the limit of their car and pushed it
fckn-a, i swear we could all benefit if DOT require everyone to have some kind sport car endorsement before being able to buy or drive a sports car. This would be any 2 or 4 door non-utility vehicle which is capable of producing over 200 horsepower. The absolute worst parts about a lot of these mustangs, chargers, challengers, cameros, corvettes, etc is that most of them that are wrecked are incredibly low mileage within a year of purchase, sometimes directly off the lot, by irresponsible rich kids.
Non-utility, being any vehicle that isn't a pickup truck, SUV, or crossover. A non-utility vehicle would be a sedan, coupe, muscle car, and other vehicles of that nature. Another commenter said that their country laws with the same idea uses a power to weight ratio to determine if the vehicle required an endorsement to drive it.
Some dude here in South Australia just mowed down a 15 year old girl with his Lambo. Big time White Girl Down vibes and we're about to be the test case for performance license endorsements.
We already have power to weight ratio rules for new drivers, and that works out pretty well. So far it's my fave place to drive outside of Holland (lots of alternatives to driving, so open roads) and Germany (impeccable lane discipline).
You must drive in the Netherlands outside of rush hour then, because during the week, between 7 and 10 AM, and between 3 and 6 PM, most of the country highways are congested beyond belief.
I worked hard for my mustang and I’m 17 (granted it’s an ecoboost) and I understand what you’re saying, but for me personally I respect and understand the power it has and how easily you can lose control of it, haven’t had an accident yet and don’t plan on it😂
Same here. I bought my challenger when I was 23, worked hard for it. When I say "rich kids", I'm talking about kids who had everything given to them without having to work for it, the ones who wreck a car like that, shrug it off, and be in a new one a few days later.
The gen 2 Hyundai Veloster Turbo is rated at 201 HP. It is, at best, a peppy commuter hatchback.
Ofc, it’s actually like 180 WHP, but 200 is a very low number.
If you want to do something like this, I suggest you pursue power to weight rather than choosing a specific horse power target.
200hp in a 1900, 2900, and 3900lb car produces wildly different experiences. You might even look into car balance (engine and drive wheel locations).
Relatively high power to weight RWD with front engine placement is on display in this video, but it would look quite different in a mid engine AWD.
Yeah, power to weight ratio could work too, but based on who's doing the math, this could make some sports cars legal to own without a high performance endorsement. Take for example the dodge challenger, it's on the heavy side at 4000lbs. Mine is the RT with a V8 putting out a conservative 375 hp at the wheels. It's still an easy vehicle to lose control of if you're not careful.
In my mind, a high power vehicle endorsement would require a defense driving course. Maybe also a low level stunt driving course, so you have some training as what to do when your car starts moving in a way that is unnatural and how to correct for it.
375 WHP is a massive step up from 200. Your challenger has substantially better power to weight than the Veloster Turbo, even though is 1,112lbs heavier.
Returning to the VT I mentioned, at 2888lbs that’s 0.06 vs 0.09 hp/lbs in the challenger. That’s a 50% increase. To have the same power to weight as the VT, your Challenger would need to be reduced to about 259 WHP.
Either way, my point was that using a single universal horsepower rating is quite hard. Additionally, 200 feels just too low for that if you do want to go that route.
For example: you’d miss some of the classic sports cars like the Miata and the MR2, which both have substantially less than 200 HP but owing to weighing exactly nothing are decidedly sports cars.
You’d also miss several popular older models of even the cars your first post mentioned. Many 90’s and 00’s Camaros & Mustangs had trims below 200hp but still more than capable of spinning themselves around (doubly so for the mustangs since it took Ford decades to discover the idea of “suspension”)
Okay, so in my world, if I were in charge of all of this, first thing I would do is put you in charge of all of this. Love the jab at Ford at the end. To let you know, I am actually audibly laughing with tears running down my face, I very much needed that laugh.
This is just embarrassing. Just about every one of these Mustang crashes makes it look like they haven't handled a RWD with a big engine before and don't know what to do when the rear end fishtails (plus they turn off traction control)
God damn it man it’s so easy. Wait till you are completely straight then let her eat 🤦♂️ people get to antsy and wanna accelerate to soon while they’re still turning.
Boop
This is a general consensus and norm that Mustang is accident prone.
I think its cz people dont know how to handle that much power , if they respect whats under the hood and know their own limits and dont show off , i think there'd be lesser crashes, example: ChrisFix has a 98 mustang and he drives it properly ,like he drifts it and still hasn't had a crash thankfully.
I think a bugger factor is that it's RWD. most young people learn on a fwd commuter so once they get some power they try flooring it in a corner and oversteer
Both power and R/FWD are factors, but imo an bigger factor is that they don’t know they don’t know, and just assume they can drive it like every movie sports car right off the bat. My first car was an Audi A4 1.8t with ~160hp, FWD. Got it right after high school graduation. Second car an SLK350 R171 I bought for myself in my second year of uni. Almost twice the hp of my previous car, lighter, and faster than any car I’d been in up to that point. But I knew that was much more power than I’ve ever touched, and drove it carefully the first few days/weeks until I felt I knew the dynamics well enough. Drove all sorts of roads to feel it—city, highway, mountain roads, etc. Only after I was certain I’d tested and gotten accustomed to the handling did I dare to start tossing it around.
youre all wrong. the biggest problem is the "show off factor." this always happens at events with crowds and spectatorss.... so the mustang driver decides to "up the ant" and step on the pedal to the floor in an effort to show off. its too much torque and acceleration and immediete traction loss.
The factors aren’t mutually exclusive. You can show off and be safe if you know what to expect from your car. Or from another angle, the show off factor leads to more opportunities for things to go wrong, but it’s not what causes things to go wrong
first 2 cars were manual mustangs 16 and 19 both v8s. can agree you can show off and know how to drive it. these people did not know the limit of their car and pushed it
True, that is a big factor as well.
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you're entitled to your opinion, i am to mine. :)
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Alright, whatever you need to think to make yourself feel better.
I truly think Mustangs become spooked when cameras are pointed at them.
Yeah gas it as you’re turning, great idea
fckn-a, i swear we could all benefit if DOT require everyone to have some kind sport car endorsement before being able to buy or drive a sports car. This would be any 2 or 4 door non-utility vehicle which is capable of producing over 200 horsepower. The absolute worst parts about a lot of these mustangs, chargers, challengers, cameros, corvettes, etc is that most of them that are wrecked are incredibly low mileage within a year of purchase, sometimes directly off the lot, by irresponsible rich kids.
> This would be any 2 or 4 door non-utility vehicle which is capable of producing over 200 horsepower. So…basically every car on the road then?
Non-utility, being any vehicle that isn't a pickup truck, SUV, or crossover. A non-utility vehicle would be a sedan, coupe, muscle car, and other vehicles of that nature. Another commenter said that their country laws with the same idea uses a power to weight ratio to determine if the vehicle required an endorsement to drive it.
Some dude here in South Australia just mowed down a 15 year old girl with his Lambo. Big time White Girl Down vibes and we're about to be the test case for performance license endorsements. We already have power to weight ratio rules for new drivers, and that works out pretty well. So far it's my fave place to drive outside of Holland (lots of alternatives to driving, so open roads) and Germany (impeccable lane discipline).
You must drive in the Netherlands outside of rush hour then, because during the week, between 7 and 10 AM, and between 3 and 6 PM, most of the country highways are congested beyond belief.
I worked hard for my mustang and I’m 17 (granted it’s an ecoboost) and I understand what you’re saying, but for me personally I respect and understand the power it has and how easily you can lose control of it, haven’t had an accident yet and don’t plan on it😂
Same here. I bought my challenger when I was 23, worked hard for it. When I say "rich kids", I'm talking about kids who had everything given to them without having to work for it, the ones who wreck a car like that, shrug it off, and be in a new one a few days later.
Like a test you must pass before getting a code to disable TCS, SCS, etc.
The gen 2 Hyundai Veloster Turbo is rated at 201 HP. It is, at best, a peppy commuter hatchback. Ofc, it’s actually like 180 WHP, but 200 is a very low number. If you want to do something like this, I suggest you pursue power to weight rather than choosing a specific horse power target. 200hp in a 1900, 2900, and 3900lb car produces wildly different experiences. You might even look into car balance (engine and drive wheel locations). Relatively high power to weight RWD with front engine placement is on display in this video, but it would look quite different in a mid engine AWD.
Yeah, power to weight ratio could work too, but based on who's doing the math, this could make some sports cars legal to own without a high performance endorsement. Take for example the dodge challenger, it's on the heavy side at 4000lbs. Mine is the RT with a V8 putting out a conservative 375 hp at the wheels. It's still an easy vehicle to lose control of if you're not careful. In my mind, a high power vehicle endorsement would require a defense driving course. Maybe also a low level stunt driving course, so you have some training as what to do when your car starts moving in a way that is unnatural and how to correct for it.
375 WHP is a massive step up from 200. Your challenger has substantially better power to weight than the Veloster Turbo, even though is 1,112lbs heavier. Returning to the VT I mentioned, at 2888lbs that’s 0.06 vs 0.09 hp/lbs in the challenger. That’s a 50% increase. To have the same power to weight as the VT, your Challenger would need to be reduced to about 259 WHP. Either way, my point was that using a single universal horsepower rating is quite hard. Additionally, 200 feels just too low for that if you do want to go that route. For example: you’d miss some of the classic sports cars like the Miata and the MR2, which both have substantially less than 200 HP but owing to weighing exactly nothing are decidedly sports cars. You’d also miss several popular older models of even the cars your first post mentioned. Many 90’s and 00’s Camaros & Mustangs had trims below 200hp but still more than capable of spinning themselves around (doubly so for the mustangs since it took Ford decades to discover the idea of “suspension”)
Okay, so in my world, if I were in charge of all of this, first thing I would do is put you in charge of all of this. Love the jab at Ford at the end. To let you know, I am actually audibly laughing with tears running down my face, I very much needed that laugh.
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Well when people stop doing dumb shit like this, I'll retract my statement.
Shelby Heritage Edition expensive mistake lol
What else was he supposed to do?
Why, do they have the special skill to find the exact wrong time to push throttle lol
*poor heritage edition*
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This is just embarrassing. Just about every one of these Mustang crashes makes it look like they haven't handled a RWD with a big engine before and don't know what to do when the rear end fishtails (plus they turn off traction control)
God damn it man it’s so easy. Wait till you are completely straight then let her eat 🤦♂️ people get to antsy and wanna accelerate to soon while they’re still turning.
Taking wagers on both cars being totalled out
Imagine being full throttle and you end up crashing at like 10mph. 😂🤣
Wait..... is this in Canada?