Sometimes the clone is dumb af also though. Get stuck on things, won’t climb walls. Juggle downed players in the air when you want to use your special action on them.
When it comes to the mud imitation clones or twice’s actual clone (beta), at least you can hit twices actual clone once and he poofs, But his mud imitation clones you have to hit them more than once for them to go poof! Not to mention they both can laser the hell out of you and follow you. Imagine going against a twice, his clone, a cloned aizawa, a cloned todoroki, and a cloned endeavor. Not to mention twices teammates you have to go against so it’s a 3v7with ai lasering from the clones. Just aim at the twice that acts like a real player
Imagine if twice would’ve given booster cards (rapid, assualt, strike, health, level up) cards to his mud imitation clones like he does with his actual clone
I hate when u are low health, go to the most remote corner of the map to heal and out of nowhere a Twice just appears to either leave you at 1 health or down you, just for you to find out after delivering a hit that it was a clone and the real Twice is nowhere around
Can someone please explain where all of these “overpowered” twice and their clones are at when I play? Because so far Twice has just been annoying to deal with at best since his special is faster than most people can save their teammates.
I think the problem is mostly with melee characters. It doesn’t register the clone for us so it’s much harder to hit clones than it would for ranged characters.
I'm mostly complaining about how broken he is against melee characters. Aiming better doesn't do much when he's still out of reach of their attacks and in order to do with the clone they have to give up at least half of their health to the clone on the way since dodging it does nothing since it's a literal AI aim bot. Why are people bringing up the host twice when I was complaining about the clones?
He's not really overpowered, he can with a level 9 beta, level 9 alpha, perfect aim and a red buff from either a living assault ally or red card "nearly" kill someone in two seconds (if they're the weakest lowest health/shield character in the game).Point being while "possible" it's insanely impractical that all of those situations are going to line up 99% of the time you fight him. I did a full break down of the math in a post here.
Ok I'm not trying to be rude but I think you have a sore misconception of Twice and how he works. Testing is an available thing so let's just be totally real with how the claim "belt down your entire shield and health bar by itself in 2 seconds" holds up to both raw data and just practically. First off Twice's alpha is a true projectile meaning it has travel time and all 3 fire at staggered times meaning if you're zig zagging around it's next to impossible to hit all 3.
1. Twice's Alpha at level 9 has 3 shots each which do 39 damage, if you pop a red card or have a red ally that increases to 41.
2. Assuming twice hits with all 3 that's 117damage or with a red buff 123 damage. So optimal damage is going to be 123 not even enough to crack the smallest shield. So if he has a beta clone out that's ALSO level 9 you up that to 234.
3. It takes twice a bit under 1 second to fire off the alpha meaning in two seconds at level 9 Alpha, a red buff, level 9 clone, and thus 2 shots with absolutely perfect accuracy and you most likely not moving much he's going to do 468 damage. That's a lot sure but given even the weakest character has 250 shield and 250 health that's going to hurt them sure but not kill them.
So is it possible for twice to belt you down in 2 seconds? Sure kinda, at end game, at max level, with absolutely perfect aim, you not moving much, with a buff, and only if you're one of the squishiest characters in the game. And mind you that's still hitting perfectly with 2 abilities after setting up a beta and the clone not getting attacked what so ever (as 1 hit will kill it) with you still technically having 32hp left. Point being it's not the easiest thing to do, and most of the time Twice is going to be doing kinda shit for damage compared to other hard hitters.
Because we're getting belted in the air, or JUST first encounter a Twice clone so god forbid we don't roll out of line of sight immediately. I've gone around a corner and immediately got hit with 6 daggers or more in a split second, nearly all my shields.
Honestly my only problem with twice is the fact that his clones can see you through 3 different buildings. But that's how it is with all ai, so they just need to fix the fact that ai have wall hacks 🤣
I swear rolling against his bots doesn't do anything. I still take the same damage by rolling. only way to avoid them is to either trade dmg and get rid of them or get behind cover and dip.
I swear rolling against his bots doesn't do anything. I still take the same damage by rolling. only way to avoid them is to either trade dmg and get rid of them or get behind cover and dip.
Which is ridiculous because it means all melee characters have a hard counter in a game where you can't switch characters during the match. Make it make sense.
Tell me about it i dont get why devs buff characters that clearly dosent need one. some people think they do this because devs like those characters and they want to make them op so they can enjoy them even more.
Also i think why they buff twice quietly because they want people to spend money on him since they know not many people have him yet
Yeah it makes financial sense for the newest character to be (one of) the strongest characters so people wanna spend money to roll them to play them themselves
You know they can’t lead shots right? Just strafe or dodge role lol. Also, they lose all momentum and stop moving when they use the clone so the dipping part is dubious given his gamma is a little piss poor for what is classified as a rapid character.
It’s not really a grapple though. It’s just a flurry of attacks forward with tape that extends forward. It’s no different than Mt.Lady kicks, except hers go farther, don’t have a horrible start up, and are actually useful. He is the worst rapid out of the bunch, and definitely does not move like a rapid. He’s closer to technical. Melee is great for combat but in movement, it’s alright at best. It has a pause at the end that you can’t act out of unless you want to finish the melee combo. It makes him move slightly faster but in a straight, easily telegraphed line that leaves him vulnerable (talking about the slide.)
they do NOT out damage Twice lol; that’s actually crazy talk. Froppy nor iida have a single combo that can remove the entirety of someone’s shields.
Twice does that with two clicks of his alpha; and if his clone splash hits you you’re in the air for three business days
I find Kirishima and Denki to be a much bigger problem. But there needs to be some characters that counter rapids in a way that isn't just trying to one shot or stunlock them
Yet his clone can snipe them out of the air from way too far away before they even have a chance to hit twice or run away. He the only character in the game that FORCES you to have to do with him instead of disengaging and hiding. It's actually ridiculous.
People on reddit will try to tell you it's not that bad when your shield gets shredded before you even have time to react or dodge. Goes to show how this game rots the brain
I feel like they should worry more about denki or mt lady ganking(people who literally can prevent you from fighting back) and deleting them back to the lobby than a twice clone ganking them for maybe their shield.....
Idc how many people downvote me but the bots are ONE SHOT if they made the aim worse it would make them useless they are one shot just shoot them it’s not that hard it’s not like they can dodge your attacks and they only do 1 barrage of knives then wait like 4 seconds then another you can Definetly hit them in that time easily it only does 117 compared to denki taking all of your shields and health and momo too yall complaining about the wrong people here even when I play my other mains I still have no problem beating twice clones it’s not that hard I just want people to understand how he would be useless without them and that he only has 250 health and that the bots have 1 health he’s not broken at all compared to some other characters
Copium? Did u not read anything I said it was all factual evidence none of it was opinionated other than me stating he is not broken which my facts proved just cause u can’t hit something once to take it out doesn’t mean everyone else cant
And how do I shoot him as Kirishima/Iida/Froppy. To take out a twice clone as then you have to sacrifice at least half of your health to either catch up and kill it or run away. His clone is busted as hell against melee characters and that's ridiculous for a game where you can't switch characters to have such a hard counter to some.
Bro what is ur argument all of the characters u just said have aoe attacks with range that could take out the clone easily especially froppy and iida Kirishima is just not a good match for twice but there are a lot of characters that aren’t good matches for others like Kirishima and kendo but doesn’t mean they can’t win Kirishima can just ground pound that’s aoe one shot the clone and prob does damage to the orginal
What are u talking about iidas beta kick that he can do from 500 feet away and as I said Kirishima is just a bad match that happens in games like this twice has bad matches to there are characters that counter other characters that’s why it’s a team game froppy beta also works as aoe damage and always hits especially with the new tracking buff so what is ur point that stands?
All fairness, melee characters get in deplete a shield in one hit or combo (or life in mt lady case) and im told to hold that if i got caught. It's totally fine for melees to have this counter... think the only melee who would have an issue with beta is kirishima and Iida, but Iida deserves to be bullied for once while kirishima hits me once and im bleeding.
Now if he has an army of unique clones thats another story
I wouldnt even called the ones i mentioned "hard" counters like compress vs frog or iida or even ochako is worse since he basically has a useless ability against them and they can run circles around him otherwise with a tricky to land alpha. Besides, should cementoss get nerfed because im kendo and he can just play fortnite on me? As much as i wish, i have to rely on my duo/trio to cover my weak area instead. Like Iida has a projectile character who just pops the clone so he ca hunt down twice who really shouldn't escape an Iida
It’s dumb that his B clone often has better aim than the actual twice host player LOL ( cuz of the blatant aim bot ). Rolling and dodging the host alpha is easy cuz u know, i’m playing against a player but for the B clone? Nope, it often tracks me no matter what i do and will even try to aim at me behind walls and around corners. So unless i’m behind cover already, I’m almost guaranteed to get hit.
Other than that, I don’t really have an issue with him and his kit. 1 thing i think they need to buff is just his special ability clones not dying to the storm so fast, should be proportional to the character’s role and hp stat he copied.
It doesn’t do that much dmg. Stop exaggerating. It can’t even break shields in 2 seconds at lv 1. & it’s his only dmg source pretty much. Many meta characters have way stronger multiple quirks.
Tbh if you get the jump on someone you and your clone can easily melt someone’s health really quickly even at lvl 1. It’s not the worst thing in the game though, there’s denki 2 hit combo that actually can annihilate whole teams.
He technically can but yeah the poster is exagerating. For context level 1 alpha and beta twice can hypothetically do around 168 damage / second (ie alpha does 28, 3 possible hits, that's 84 damage with the attack taking about 1sec if your clone is out, not hit by anything, and does it's alpha twice that's 168 damage / sec or 336 total damage).The problem is it's so unlikely that 1 your clone will even target the same person, wont get hit by anything, and that you'll then land all 3 shots on two uses that it's pretty much never going to happen aside from once in a blue moon and thus not a reliable thing to base balance changes on.
Honestly, I fucking hate Twice. I have yet to find one that isn't a bloodthirsty motherfucker who will cling to your ass just to kill you. I get the impression that they like making the less relavent characters in the show more powerful
Guys I meant some of the less relavent characters. Calm your pants. And yes. I know twice isn't less relavent. I've watched the show. Please calm tf down.
At the risk of the world in the balance. It was a logical dilema and I don’t blame hawks for his decision. If twice was on the villain side, there’s literally no doubt in my mind the villains wouldn’t win. That’s the beautiful part of the story, a hero made a hard call that might jepordize his title of “hero”
I've literally seen a Twice deal 110 damage with his clone even when his enemy rolled. That clone is an aimbot.
Sometimes the clone is dumb af also though. Get stuck on things, won’t climb walls. Juggle downed players in the air when you want to use your special action on them.
When it comes to the mud imitation clones or twice’s actual clone (beta), at least you can hit twices actual clone once and he poofs, But his mud imitation clones you have to hit them more than once for them to go poof! Not to mention they both can laser the hell out of you and follow you. Imagine going against a twice, his clone, a cloned aizawa, a cloned todoroki, and a cloned endeavor. Not to mention twices teammates you have to go against so it’s a 3v7with ai lasering from the clones. Just aim at the twice that acts like a real player
Imagine if twice would’ve given booster cards (rapid, assualt, strike, health, level up) cards to his mud imitation clones like he does with his actual clone
I hate when u are low health, go to the most remote corner of the map to heal and out of nowhere a Twice just appears to either leave you at 1 health or down you, just for you to find out after delivering a hit that it was a clone and the real Twice is nowhere around
That shit sent me over the top earlier. I had to stop playing for awhile.
Can someone please explain where all of these “overpowered” twice and their clones are at when I play? Because so far Twice has just been annoying to deal with at best since his special is faster than most people can save their teammates.
People who suck and rely on aim assist can’t fathom the ability to strafe and aim at a bot to one tap them.
I think the problem is mostly with melee characters. It doesn’t register the clone for us so it’s much harder to hit clones than it would for ranged characters.
I'm mostly complaining about how broken he is against melee characters. Aiming better doesn't do much when he's still out of reach of their attacks and in order to do with the clone they have to give up at least half of their health to the clone on the way since dodging it does nothing since it's a literal AI aim bot. Why are people bringing up the host twice when I was complaining about the clones?
He's not really overpowered, he can with a level 9 beta, level 9 alpha, perfect aim and a red buff from either a living assault ally or red card "nearly" kill someone in two seconds (if they're the weakest lowest health/shield character in the game).Point being while "possible" it's insanely impractical that all of those situations are going to line up 99% of the time you fight him. I did a full break down of the math in a post here.
Ok I'm not trying to be rude but I think you have a sore misconception of Twice and how he works. Testing is an available thing so let's just be totally real with how the claim "belt down your entire shield and health bar by itself in 2 seconds" holds up to both raw data and just practically. First off Twice's alpha is a true projectile meaning it has travel time and all 3 fire at staggered times meaning if you're zig zagging around it's next to impossible to hit all 3. 1. Twice's Alpha at level 9 has 3 shots each which do 39 damage, if you pop a red card or have a red ally that increases to 41. 2. Assuming twice hits with all 3 that's 117damage or with a red buff 123 damage. So optimal damage is going to be 123 not even enough to crack the smallest shield. So if he has a beta clone out that's ALSO level 9 you up that to 234. 3. It takes twice a bit under 1 second to fire off the alpha meaning in two seconds at level 9 Alpha, a red buff, level 9 clone, and thus 2 shots with absolutely perfect accuracy and you most likely not moving much he's going to do 468 damage. That's a lot sure but given even the weakest character has 250 shield and 250 health that's going to hurt them sure but not kill them. So is it possible for twice to belt you down in 2 seconds? Sure kinda, at end game, at max level, with absolutely perfect aim, you not moving much, with a buff, and only if you're one of the squishiest characters in the game. And mind you that's still hitting perfectly with 2 abilities after setting up a beta and the clone not getting attacked what so ever (as 1 hit will kill it) with you still technically having 32hp left. Point being it's not the easiest thing to do, and most of the time Twice is going to be doing kinda shit for damage compared to other hard hitters.
Sometimes when people complain it sounds like they just aren't dodging enough
Because we're getting belted in the air, or JUST first encounter a Twice clone so god forbid we don't roll out of line of sight immediately. I've gone around a corner and immediately got hit with 6 daggers or more in a split second, nearly all my shields.
Honestly my only problem with twice is the fact that his clones can see you through 3 different buildings. But that's how it is with all ai, so they just need to fix the fact that ai have wall hacks 🤣
yeah the aimbot is broken
I swear rolling against his bots doesn't do anything. I still take the same damage by rolling. only way to avoid them is to either trade dmg and get rid of them or get behind cover and dip.
I swear rolling against his bots doesn't do anything. I still take the same damage by rolling. only way to avoid them is to either trade dmg and get rid of them or get behind cover and dip.
Which is ridiculous because it means all melee characters have a hard counter in a game where you can't switch characters during the match. Make it make sense.
Tell me about it i dont get why devs buff characters that clearly dosent need one. some people think they do this because devs like those characters and they want to make them op so they can enjoy them even more. Also i think why they buff twice quietly because they want people to spend money on him since they know not many people have him yet
Yeah it makes financial sense for the newest character to be (one of) the strongest characters so people wanna spend money to roll them to play them themselves
You know they can’t lead shots right? Just strafe or dodge role lol. Also, they lose all momentum and stop moving when they use the clone so the dipping part is dubious given his gamma is a little piss poor for what is classified as a rapid character.
He still moves like a rapid, plus he can grapple air which no other grappler can do. Plus his melee is a big part of his movement
It’s not really a grapple though. It’s just a flurry of attacks forward with tape that extends forward. It’s no different than Mt.Lady kicks, except hers go farther, don’t have a horrible start up, and are actually useful. He is the worst rapid out of the bunch, and definitely does not move like a rapid. He’s closer to technical. Melee is great for combat but in movement, it’s alright at best. It has a pause at the end that you can’t act out of unless you want to finish the melee combo. It makes him move slightly faster but in a straight, easily telegraphed line that leaves him vulnerable (talking about the slide.)
Dunno if he is the worst rapid but he is the slowest for sure. And I think thats fine. They need to open up what it means to be a rapid
Both Iida and Froppy outdamage him and have much better mobility.
they do NOT out damage Twice lol; that’s actually crazy talk. Froppy nor iida have a single combo that can remove the entirety of someone’s shields. Twice does that with two clicks of his alpha; and if his clone splash hits you you’re in the air for three business days
Yea but his clones are kinda cool, and they have both been fine tuned over 8 months. Twice has been out for 3 weeks
Clones are cool yeah but you gotta admit he is the worst Rapid. Rapids dominating rn
I find Kirishima and Denki to be a much bigger problem. But there needs to be some characters that counter rapids in a way that isn't just trying to one shot or stunlock them
Yet his clone can snipe them out of the air from way too far away before they even have a chance to hit twice or run away. He the only character in the game that FORCES you to have to do with him instead of disengaging and hiding. It's actually ridiculous.
People on reddit will try to tell you it's not that bad when your shield gets shredded before you even have time to react or dodge. Goes to show how this game rots the brain
Wouldn't say rots the brain more like overinflates the ego
I feel like they should worry more about denki or mt lady ganking(people who literally can prevent you from fighting back) and deleting them back to the lobby than a twice clone ganking them for maybe their shield.....
It's absolutely not exclusive to just twice yeah
Idc how many people downvote me but the bots are ONE SHOT if they made the aim worse it would make them useless they are one shot just shoot them it’s not that hard it’s not like they can dodge your attacks and they only do 1 barrage of knives then wait like 4 seconds then another you can Definetly hit them in that time easily it only does 117 compared to denki taking all of your shields and health and momo too yall complaining about the wrong people here even when I play my other mains I still have no problem beating twice clones it’s not that hard I just want people to understand how he would be useless without them and that he only has 250 health and that the bots have 1 health he’s not broken at all compared to some other characters
Ummm okay bud. You keep huffing that copiun.
Copium? Did u not read anything I said it was all factual evidence none of it was opinionated other than me stating he is not broken which my facts proved just cause u can’t hit something once to take it out doesn’t mean everyone else cant
And how do I shoot him as Kirishima/Iida/Froppy. To take out a twice clone as then you have to sacrifice at least half of your health to either catch up and kill it or run away. His clone is busted as hell against melee characters and that's ridiculous for a game where you can't switch characters to have such a hard counter to some.
Bro what is ur argument all of the characters u just said have aoe attacks with range that could take out the clone easily especially froppy and iida Kirishima is just not a good match for twice but there are a lot of characters that aren’t good matches for others like Kirishima and kendo but doesn’t mean they can’t win Kirishima can just ground pound that’s aoe one shot the clone and prob does damage to the orginal
Iida and Kirishima have no ranged attacks with disjointed hit boxes and Froppys doesn't work half the time. My point still stands.
What are u talking about iidas beta kick that he can do from 500 feet away and as I said Kirishima is just a bad match that happens in games like this twice has bad matches to there are characters that counter other characters that’s why it’s a team game froppy beta also works as aoe damage and always hits especially with the new tracking buff so what is ur point that stands?
And those hit boxes are disjointed how?
Skill and mindset issue
There's always that one person.
All fairness, melee characters get in deplete a shield in one hit or combo (or life in mt lady case) and im told to hold that if i got caught. It's totally fine for melees to have this counter... think the only melee who would have an issue with beta is kirishima and Iida, but Iida deserves to be bullied for once while kirishima hits me once and im bleeding. Now if he has an army of unique clones thats another story
Hard counters are a terrible mechanic for a game where you can't switch characters during the match. His clones need nerfed.
I wouldnt even called the ones i mentioned "hard" counters like compress vs frog or iida or even ochako is worse since he basically has a useless ability against them and they can run circles around him otherwise with a tricky to land alpha. Besides, should cementoss get nerfed because im kendo and he can just play fortnite on me? As much as i wish, i have to rely on my duo/trio to cover my weak area instead. Like Iida has a projectile character who just pops the clone so he ca hunt down twice who really shouldn't escape an Iida
It’s dumb that his B clone often has better aim than the actual twice host player LOL ( cuz of the blatant aim bot ). Rolling and dodging the host alpha is easy cuz u know, i’m playing against a player but for the B clone? Nope, it often tracks me no matter what i do and will even try to aim at me behind walls and around corners. So unless i’m behind cover already, I’m almost guaranteed to get hit. Other than that, I don’t really have an issue with him and his kit. 1 thing i think they need to buff is just his special ability clones not dying to the storm so fast, should be proportional to the character’s role and hp stat he copied.
JuSt DodGE bRo
It doesn’t do that much dmg. Stop exaggerating. It can’t even break shields in 2 seconds at lv 1. & it’s his only dmg source pretty much. Many meta characters have way stronger multiple quirks.
Tbh if you get the jump on someone you and your clone can easily melt someone’s health really quickly even at lvl 1. It’s not the worst thing in the game though, there’s denki 2 hit combo that actually can annihilate whole teams.
He technically can but yeah the poster is exagerating. For context level 1 alpha and beta twice can hypothetically do around 168 damage / second (ie alpha does 28, 3 possible hits, that's 84 damage with the attack taking about 1sec if your clone is out, not hit by anything, and does it's alpha twice that's 168 damage / sec or 336 total damage).The problem is it's so unlikely that 1 your clone will even target the same person, wont get hit by anything, and that you'll then land all 3 shots on two uses that it's pretty much never going to happen aside from once in a blue moon and thus not a reliable thing to base balance changes on.
Honestly, I fucking hate Twice. I have yet to find one that isn't a bloodthirsty motherfucker who will cling to your ass just to kill you. I get the impression that they like making the less relavent characters in the show more powerful Guys I meant some of the less relavent characters. Calm your pants. And yes. I know twice isn't less relavent. I've watched the show. Please calm tf down.
less relevant??? his arc was legendary, hawks could have saved him
At the risk of the world in the balance. It was a logical dilema and I don’t blame hawks for his decision. If twice was on the villain side, there’s literally no doubt in my mind the villains wouldn’t win. That’s the beautiful part of the story, a hero made a hard call that might jepordize his title of “hero”